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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to it, Broncos Country Tonight, Benjamin Albright here with
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you short show edition post Rockies. Those of you heard
me earlier on KA Sports with Dave and Ryan just uh,
We're gonna get Ryan in here in the next segment,
go a little bit over what we saw at there
at camp today and get his thoughts on that. I'll
obviously give you give you mine as well. I think,
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you know, I think that, as I tweeted out earlier,
the defense is obviously well ahead of the offense at
this point in camp. But I don't want people to
mistake that for we should panic the offense sucks that
kind of stuff. Like you know, these these preconceived or
pre dialed up narratives that people get themselves into, I
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think are part of the problem with how this team
is covered and a good coverage in general. The offense
has struggled at times thus far in camp. I don't
you know, I don't think they are bad. I just
think that they're not at the level that the defense is.
And and that's that I'm interested to see over the
next few weeks of camp how they continue to install
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grow and uh and work on that and and where
they go from there. But I'm not gonna sit here
and just you know, rave about uh an offense that's
knocking it out of the park when they aren't. That's
that's not what's going on. I think there are there
are things and pieces to like. UH certainly seen Vele
Sutton make some great catches. Ingram has a spacing concept
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that they lacked last year with guys like Troutman, you know,
mostly playing tight end. I think, uh, you know, our R. J.
Harvey looks looks pretty explosive. He's gonna have to get
the the pass pro thing down though, like the JK.
Dobbins is going to start this season. Is RB one
on the depth chart, uh, simply by virtue of the
fact that that he's a three hundred and sixty degree
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running back, meaning that he can run, he can catch,
and he can pass pro. And that's you know, with Harvey,
that was the concern, you know, when you when you
have the guy that's that's his size and and he's
not small, he's just squatty. You know, whether or not
that guy could hold up uh, and and how much
pass pro he's had to do, which was not very much,
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whether or not you know, and how quickly he's going
to be able to learn that. And so that's in
terms of what's holding him back at this point.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
It's not you know, it's not ability.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
It's it's not you know, he stinks as a running
back or any of those kinds of things. And I've
certainly seen some some dumb takes out there. It really
is our Jay's ability to do pass protect at this point,
and he'll get there. He's a willing pass protector. He's
just he's not really ever had to had to do it.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
And so that's that's sort of the thing, is, you know,
getting the technique down, understanding exactly you know, why you
have to do certain things or how to do certain things,
and uh, as he continues to learn that, that's that's
gonna be the thing, you know, for him overall. I
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you know, the running back room, if you're looking at
it from a fantasy football perspective, it's gonna be pretty muddy.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I mean, JK.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Dobbins is going to get the lion's share of the
early snaps, but it's a pretty muddy room in terms
of the fact that you're probably going to have a
rotation between Dobbins Harvey A sprinkling of Julia McLoughlin and
and Samadra Guesstima in there as well. And I don't
know that any of them are what I would call
fantasy football viable. You know, I think Dobbins and Harvey
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will get drafted, but uh, in fantasy football leagues. But
if you're if you're looking at it from that perspective,
I'm not sure either one of those guys or somebody
you could count on week to week for for fantasy
football production. Evan Ingram is going to be getting the
lion's share of what we're gonna we'll call it the
tight end snaps. Although he doesn't really tight end. He
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very rarely is attached to the line, very rarely is
on the line. Everything I see.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Out there has him, you know, off the line and
away from the formation. Uh, he's a receiver playing tight end,
you know, playing something called tight end. But he's he's
a receiver.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Similarly, the way they used to use Jimmy Graham, you
know when when he was there in New Orleans. Uh,
the way he used to you know, use him as
more of an off the line why and uh, and
do stuff there so that that'll be a thing and
Ingram uh like I, like I talked about a few
weeks ago, Ingram is a guy that is getting most
of his snaps between the twenties, uh, most of his
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targets between the twenties with that work.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Does that change as we go along? Who knows.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
But he's never been a red zone guy before. Doesn't
mean he can't be one now, but he just hasn't
been one before. And that's sort of what we're seeing.
We're seeing at there so far. The defensive side of things,
the D line is getting the better of the of
the O line, which is interesting because you've got a
lot of highly paid players on that offensive line, between
Minords and McGlinchey, Bulls and Powers, those four guys are
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getting paid and Wattenburg of course on the rookie deal.
Those guys are getting paid. And when you're getting paid
that much money, there is an expectation there, whether that's
just a dominance by very very good defensive line, whether
that is something that the offensive line's got to get
squared away little too many throws I think where bow
has had pressure in his face and was trying to
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get risk some off his back foot. And so that's
one thing that I love the idea of this offense
practicing against a great defense because of you know that
all the cliches, irons, sharpens, iron, all that stuff. But
I love the idea because I think, you know, it
makes things easier for you when you're play against lesser defenses.
That said, the main thing that I don't want is
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for Bownicks to get into bad habits because he's trying
to bail himself out against this great defense a little
too often. Because you know, what you practice being is
what you become, right uh, And so if you're if
they're getting to you too quick and you're practicing throwing
off your back foot, well that that you're going to
start to become that. So that that is my one,
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you know, little tiny caveat of concern with all that.
In terms of the jet chart, there's nobody close to bow.
In terms of quarterbacking, Stidham will be the backup and
Alingers is the project. I don't think they'll keep three
quarterbacks on the roster this year. Ailinger will probably affect
practice squad guy when all said and done.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
In terms of the running backs right now, uh, Dobbins
is clearly in the lead. R J. Harvey would be two.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
McLoughlin would be three estimated before and then you know
the other guy's fighting it out there on the wide
receiver front. Sutton's the X. Mims is the z uh
Vle's kind of wide receiver. Three plays all over. Uh Franklin, Uh,
his is kind of pushed for for some time, and
he he plays the z uh split some snaps with
with Marvin Mims. Mims is clearly ahead of him, but uh,
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there's been some some splita snaps there as far as
that kind of stuff goes. And after that, Brighton Sherfield
round out the receivers at five and six. Sherfield obviously
has special teams you know, ability as well, and so
those are the guys that are gonna make, uh that'll
make the fifty three. Now, might they keep another receiver?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Maybe? I don't think so. I think that, uh, you know, looking.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
At the way that that this thing is shaken out,
I think they're gonna have two receivers on the practice squad,
you know, when when all said and done. But I
don't believe you're gonna have a situation where you carry
seven receivers this, especially with the injuries that they've had
an inside backer, so that would be it'd be Suton,
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mems Val, Franklin, Bryant Sherfield. And then maybe you're keeping
Jawan Newton or Jauquin Davis, maybe Courtney Jackson. You're probably
keeping two receivers. I don't think kyrieh Roland or Michael
Bandy or at Parry. I don't think those guys are
They're not in danger of making the fifty three. I
don't think unless Bandy gets kept around because you know
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he's Lombardy's guy, that they'll make the roster. On the offense,
you already know the offensive line, you know, left to right,
it's it's uh, Bulls, Powers, Wattenberg, Minors, McGlinchey.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
In terms of the backups, we've seen Forsyth, Bowshewski both
get uh, you know, getting reps. You know, Pert obviously,
I don't think he hears some people talking about Frank
Crumb or Clay Webb. Those guys are have been really
third teamers, and I don't think they're making the team.
Probably practice squad guys, if if anything at all. And
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then the tight end room, you know Ingram listed as
a tight end and you know we make the joke
about the heavy slot, but that's what he plays. Adam
Troutman uh Nate Atkins gonna make this team. Kroll uh
and and Priest corn I don't think either one of
them or in danger making the team. Loner probably makes
the team, maybe practice squad as a developmental guy. And
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that's that's pretty much how the offense looks. I mean,
Burton's the fullback if he's kept around. If not, Adkins
will do We'll do double duty there. On the defensive side, well,
you already know the d line, you know, Zach Allen,
DJ Jones and John Franklin Myers, Malcolm Roach has been
getting some roun savon Jones as well. They may they
probably keep one other one. But the question is who's
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that gonna be. Whether that's it was a Rique at
henningson Jordan Jackson, who knows, but that's you know, there's
five there for sure, and.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Then everybody's kind of fighting for that last spot there.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
From the edge rush. You know, John Cooper and Nick
Benito be the starters, Joan Ellis and Andrea Tillman or
the backups there. Ke Robinson of course drafted and play
special teams. That's probably all you keep I don't think
Farmer or Nelson are going to end up making the squad.
Maybe they make maybe one of them lands on the
practice squad on the inside. UH, Drey green Law Alex
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Singleton will be the starters. Sternad right now has been
the primary backup, but Lavelle Bailey has really kind of
turned some heads, and that's one to keep your eye on.
A strong enough preseason performance probably puts him in a
good spot, especially with Drew Sanders out due to UH
due to injury, So keeping your eye on stronade leavel
Bailey after that. I don't think Kareine.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Reid or JB.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Brown or Garrett Waller or Jordan Turner' I don't think
any of those guys are necessarily in danger of making
the team.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
UH. The DB's one of the most talented secondaries in
in football.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Pats are tan uh. You know obviously Riley moss is
this is the second corner and Jade Baron is the
UH as the nickel.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
UH.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Their backups right now have been an interesting sort of fight.
Abram's drain, I would say is probably CEB four UH.
Damari Mathis and and Jaquan mcmillion are the the others
mcmillion playing out of the nickel.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
I don't think any of the other corners beyond them
are making the team. Quentin Newsome, Josh Piggott, you know,
Rhys Taylor, Jane Robins soon. I think any of those
guys are are making the team.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I just I just don't. UH.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
In terms of the safeties, Brandon Jones and Have Fog
are gonna be the starter's uh. PJ Locke and Devin
Keye have really been kind of the backups.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
UH.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
We've seen some run out of Sam Franklin Junior, and
my and I would say that Turner Yell and Jail
Skinner have got a long way to go, you know,
to being able to to making this team. Guys that
previously they had high hopes for. But I think they've
got a ways to go in terms of securing a
spot on this team that's a non a non practice
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squad spot.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
That's that's the initial depth chart of the Denver Broncos
UH from me personally, and you know you'll see you'll
see how that shakes out. I'm really looking forward again
to see these guys against the uh the Niners this
coming weekend. And by the way, if you guys want
to hang out, you'll have to forgive me. My voice
is sort of cracking. I've been sick and doing double duty,
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so my voice is kind of given out, so I apologize.
But if you guys want to hang out Saturday night
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and that's where we're gonna be all year for all
the away games for the Broncos, so we'll get a
chance to watch preseason action against the n i Ers.
Come hang out with myself and Nick at burned Down
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You got a rooftop thing you can go look at.
They've got a like this mini deck in the middle
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you guys this year. Come hang out with us at
burned Down. The shoots over on Broadway, so if you
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need to need to look that up real quick touching
on some stuff around the league. If I were you guys,
and you're you're into wagering the way that I am,
I would be betting the Unders on Minnesota Vikings games early,
just just based on some stuff conversations I've had out
of there. It's not quite coming together on offense just
as quick as they'd wanted with JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
So something to keep your eye on with that.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Cleveland where you've got like a five way race for
quarterback and that's been a been a merry go round.
Another injury today, third round pick Dylan Gabriel, this time
Head coach Kevin Stefanski told reporters that Gabriel was limited
in Monday's practice because he's dealing with tightness in his hamstring.
Can he Pickett was limited due to a hamstring injury,
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you know. Schudoor Sanders today was set to work in
full after being slowed by a sore arm over the weekend.
I texted somebody there and it was a legit thing.
That was legit arm soreness. Joe Flacco is the only
one who seems to have not dealt with an injury
at any point this summer and is in the lead
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for the quarterback job there in Cleveland, for whatever that's worth.
But that is, that's, that's just, you know, an interesting
situation because the coaching staff clearly wants dealing Gabriel, the
front office, UH clearly want shud Or Sanders, and Joe
Flacco is a thousand years old and winning the job
right now with duty injuries and and not, you know,
and then play from from everybody else.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Uh, thus far so interesting to.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Watch that. And you know obviously that that our friend
Shelby Harris is you know, he's on that defense over there.
And that's that's certainly something to to keep your eye on.
Is the brown situation is as it moves along, and
that the amount of injury I guess that they've had
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is certainly telling. I guess in the in the Browns
quarterback competition, the last couple of minutes before we bring
Ryan Edwards in and get a chance to talk to
him about what he saw at there camp today, I
didn't want to talk about the interim.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Executive director of the nfl P A.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Lloyd Howel's out and they opted to hire the guy
who finished second to him, David White.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
White.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
I don't I don't even know how to how to
put this, but it's it's unknown when or if the
Board of Player Reps became aware that White was even
a candidate before it was time to cast ballots. And
it seems like most people didn't know that he was
up for the job because a there weren't too many
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leaks about him getting out there, and be a lot
of the vetting that went wrong with Lloyd Howell seems
to have gone wrong with David White. Even a simple
Google search would have found that. Back in June eleventh
of twenty fifteen, an article on Deadline dot Com began
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with this paragraph and I'm quoting here quote, saga After
National Executive Director David White recently misled the union's Board
of Directors about the union's attempts to whitewash an open secret,
which was director Amy Berg's explosive documentary about sexual abuse
of child actors in Hollywood. He misled the board about
the union's threat to sue her and the film's producers.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
End quote.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
The issue arose from a Deadline report that sag After
threatened to sue amy Burg unless you removed all references
to the union from the film. The union had said
in a statement he did not threaten to sue Berg
and that it did not try to suppress information regarding it.
Berg disagreed, telling Deadline quote, I felt sag after he
used legal threats to sanitize the film. She also provided
a copy of the letter from Sagaff's outside council, the
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copy of which has been said to White. The first
question I guess is did the NFLPA Executive Committee and
or the Board of Player Reps know about.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
This issue in twenty twenty three?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
The second issue did they discuss it before they hired
White on Sunday? And the third question is if they
knew about it, why was he not disqualified? So this
is going to be something that's we're going to keep
our eye on going forward. But the NFLPA situation has
been an absolute mess, and I'm really I'm hoping that
they find someone better than White to rep them going forward.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Broncos Countries and I back with Ryan Edwards after this.
Welcome back to it Broncos Country tonight.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Benjamin Albright here with you post Rockies edition, and as promised,
we've got Ryan Edwards here again two days in a row.
We had to pay his appearance fee so we're gonna
need you guys to really come out to the burnout
and show and show down so we can continue to
make money to be able to have Ryan on the show.
But Ryan, we were glad we were able to afford you.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Where are my skills? Where are my green scals? For
crying out loud?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Man?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
One thing?
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yes? For one? You know they got your writer to
me late. You know, I apologize. I'm watching you eat
them right now. That's what's going on. During the hours
and hours of show prep that I do. I just
did not have time to follow through on that.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
So you thought about it on the walk over particular.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Yeah, that's really that's actually I didn't think about it
on the walk over Even then. I was like, nah,
that was a maximum amount of effort. It would say
that you're you were appearing disinterested in for the show.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
You know, some radio stations might say that, might say
that I appear bored and disinterested. They might say that
that would be probably closer to the truth than trying
to call out the quarterback for looking bored and did
as somebody said station said today, bolts.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
It's a bolt strategy. Uh, I mean, listen, you gotta
get attention that that'll do it. I mean, yeah, well,
deals you got you gotta, you get to carve out
a niche, you know, and and uh when when oh
they're shoveling something, Listen, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna bury.
I have no idea where they came from. But I
saw you tweeting about it on UH on X or whatever,
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and it's just as nonsense. It's just utter nonsense. It's uh.
I I don't even I already know where to begin
with something like that. So I don't think we really
have to talk about it much. But I do think
it's a bit of a punchline now. And uh, congratulations
for for the coverage.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah, I I was. I don't I don't even know
what to do with that quote. Somebody's like when somebody says,
I don't even know what to do with that, Like
somebody is saying that the quarterback looks bored. How would
you determine that? Because I have not seen Bowl look
bored or disinterested. He's not, you know, out here lighting
the world on fire. But you know he's not been
bad either, you know, I mean the interceptions in training camp,
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this is not a justin Field's training camp where he's
you know, uh, six of fifty passing for his last
two practices with like fifteen interceptions. Both, you know, this
is both throwing natural interceptions that you get from doing
certain things in camp against a good defense.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah. Well, first of all, I tend to be frustrated
with the idea of body language reading anyways, because you
really don't know you look at it through your lens.
How do you know? Yeah, cold reading the court? Okay,
the mentalist, So, like, you know, because he didn't like
run up to Devon Vle today after he threw a
touchdown to him like during seven's like, oh my god,
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like he didn't celebrate with his guy.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
I mean, what did you What did you really want?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
I don't even know what to do with that.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
But like, in general, there was a report out a
few weeks ago that Odric Estimate looked disinterest or bored
or or unhappy or whatever. I'm just like, I mean,
literally nobody else is seeing this, so I don't I
don't know what to do. I don't know, didn't break
this down for me like I'm five years old. Well again,
it's just this is one of those deals like I,
I do think, and I tend to defend everybody's perception
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of reality and perception of what they're seeing out there.
I mean there's some days I come up with camp
and hey, I'm really impressed by this player, and somebody
else will say, you know what, Actually, I saw this
thing that didn't impress me so much. And you know,
we did this last year with Bonnicks and the quarterbacks,
but I mean the other positions as well, where I'll
say this guy really impressed me, I saw this rep
that blew my mind, and somebody else will say yeah,
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but then two plays later he got absolutely blown out
and it wasn't very good. So you know that that's
going to happen. But I would caution I think things
like that, especially media members that are doing things like that,
because it's tough for the fans that can't come to
practice because then they think that that's true, and then
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they want start to wonder why the rest of the
media isn't reporting on it, and it becomes kind of
a toxic situation.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah, and it's a symptom of a larger problem I
think in media altogether. You see in flu and not
just in sports. You see in politics, you see it
that the influencers they have to say more and more
almost crazy things to keep you dialed in. Everything is
measured and clicks and views now and so these some
of these bad faith coverage things that you get are
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people out there trying to run up the numbers, creating
day to day narratives so that you're hanging on the
words that they're because they're the only one telling you
the truth, right, So it's you know, they everybody else
is sheep or what you know, it's and you can
apply it across the board.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
You see it.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Everywhere, and it's it's not in training camp shouldn't be
viewed through the lens of that day anyway. It should
be viewed in the aggregate. We tend to We tend
to do things day to day simply because those are
the individual chapters. But you don't judge a book by
one chapter. You judge a book by the contents of
the completed book. And that's and that's how that's how
training camp should be viewed, you know as well.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
And so you know, I think a lot to me
this feels like bad faith coverage. I would I don't
know the person who said it I'm not sure who
said it as of the time that we were doing this.
So for me, I don't know if that person because
there are there are people over there at this competing
establishment that are good people that I that I know,
that you know, wouldn't do it for the for the takeery,
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and then there are people over there that definitely do
it for the takery, and and so you know, I
don't know where to classify this. If somebody just is
seeing something that nobody else is seeing.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Or if this is something somebody is creating a ridiculous
nonsense to keep people dialed in.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
I don't really know.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
And again, I know everybody over there personally, for I
would consider myself friends with all of them, So I
certainly don't want to call anybody out. I just don't
see that. So I guess to dial it back to
notches for myself, I just don't. I don't. I don't
agree with them. So whoever said it, I don't know
who it is, but I don't agree with it. But
I will say this, and I've said this for a
long time. Anybody that is telling you I'm the one
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you should listen to for the truth is probably not
the one you should be listening to for the truth. Yeah,
if you have to go out of your way to
tell people that you're the one and you're the voice
that is given it to him straight and nobody else is,
I think that should be an indication for you to
run and stop listening almost immediately, right. But again, that
that's just me and most time anybody drops into that level.
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Because if you really are desperate enough to drop into
the level I'm telling you the truth and everybody else isn't,
then there's probably something wrong with you. Well, it's and
that's one of those there's a great expressions desperate from
back in the in the day, which is, if you're important,
you don't have to tell people you are. You know,
if you're important, you simply will be you don't you know?
Do you know?
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Don't you know who I am? Well, if you have
to say that, then you're not important enough to know, right.
And the same thing applies with uh, with what you're
saying right there with you. If you if you're telling
people the truth, you don't have to tell people that
you're the one telling them the truth.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
They'll know, uh.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
And so that's that's sort of you know, that's sort
of the thing with that, I don't know get into
real things that are happening at camp though. Pat Bryan
had himself a little bit of a day getting to
work with all three units. The rookie who people have
high hopes for, certainly getting the work in.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
He was phenomenal today. Pat Bryant, Michael Baddy had a
heck of a day. Troy Franklin had a heck of
a day. They kind of rested some vets today, so JK.
Dobbins wasn't out there. I don't think Court ran a
lot of team stuff either. Maybe even Evan Ingram had
some time off too, So it was one of those
days where a lot of Vets got opportunities to to
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just sort of absorb practice. Now they were out there.
They were standing around there watching practice. Trent Sherfield was
out there, Malcolm Roach was out there. JK. Dobbins, I mean,
they're all they're all kind of taking in practice, but
it was not a day that they got those reps.
So R. J. Harvey got a chance to kind of
be the first crack at the bat running back one,
and he looked fantastic out there.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
If he gets the pass pro down he's gonna be
a bigger factor this year. That's really it. That's really
the thing.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
I can absolutely see what Sean loved in him.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
I mean, there's just this sort of there's there's a quickness,
this wiggle he's got. He finds the hole, he kind
of gets small into it, and then he bursts out
of it. And he's not gonna be an easy guy
to bring down either, I think after the fact. But yeah,
today Pat Bryan, Pat Bryan was certainly the star. And
I say the other one was Detroit Franklin and Michael Bandy.
No interceptions today For all the people that out there
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that have been tracking this and Jary.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Zero picks for the season for bow Knicks.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Now, well he went back into a shell emphasis on
oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
See this, this is this is the thing, you know,
after so many interceptions, he obviously dialed it back. He
decided to go really, no, that's not that's not all.
Now he was pushing the ball. They did some a
lot of them move the ball drills today. They did
some sevens in the red zone. They worked on a
minute and a half drill from their own thirty and
the the offense to get into field goal range. Because
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of a huge diving catch on scrabble Drill by Troy Franklin.
So there were some really nice moments today, I think.
I think on both sides, I thought it was kind
of funnier Guy Mario, who and Ure were both there,
and Mario was like, it was kind of a block practice,
and then he wrote underneath, I was also sitting in
the heat, and I'm very tired and cranky because I
didn't think it was a blaw practice at all.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
But I got to stay in the shade the entire time.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
So it's weird how you were singing Katie Perry's Firework
the whole time.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Well, you know, I mean that's the thing that we do.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
You know, we all pick a song on the sidelines
song and that's the song of the day. Usual you
are there to help us out with it. I prefer
the wrap, but you know, that's it just is what
it is.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Not the place white Chocolates.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Well, one of the reasons, you know.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
The other thing I wanted to get to is the
Seth Wickersham blurb from his book that came out today,
which was specifically focused on Sean Payton, and it involves
Wickersham at the time, as is prior to the drafting
of Bonicks, being in the room with Sean Payton and
Sean kind of showing him something which is apparently his
quote unquote analytical formula for drafting quarterbacks. It is a
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formula that basically I took and reverse engineered. But the
exact formula would be sacks taken plus interceptions throwing plus
PLUF fumbles loss divided by the number of passing attempts.
Exclude all quarterbacks with a sixty two percent or lower
completion percentage, right, so you could you could work that up,
and of course, be being the nerd that I am,
I did uh to see how this formula that he
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selects quarterbacks by, which in the if you read the blurb,
had Bonix the very high number where it ranked all
the quarterbacks in the last ten years. Because he's saying
that this formula was what convinced him that he should
have drafted Pat Mahomes back in the year that he's
now revisioned his history trying to claim that he was
into Pat Mahomes. The problem with that is when you
run this formula, you can see that it has both
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Mitch Trubisky and Deshaun Watson rated above Patrick Mahomes in
terms of negative plays taken, which is essentially what this
thing measures. Deshaun Watson significantly. So Mahomes finishes in the middle.
This is all first round quarterbacks taken over.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
The last ten years. Mahomes finishes in the middle. Bow
finishes with the best number out of all these quarterbacks.
Michael PENNICKX was second, Mac Jones third. He dis drought
to Trevor Lawrence, Deshaun Watson, Dwayne Haskins. I remember that fiasco,
Mitch Trubisky, Paxton Lynch, and Trey Lance. That's the top quarterbacks,
not exactly prestigious company. Yeah, and then you go to
the other end of it. They go to the other
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end of it, and the worst quarterbacks. The first two
are Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Yeah, so it's not exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Now, Justin Fields is third, So obviously this is the
formula works. But well it's Justin Field's, Canny Pikett, Daniel Jones.
So there's some there's some here at the bottom that
are that are batter But this doesn't seem to a
line or have any correlation or or any sort of
any anything. As an indicator of a success of a
quarterback in the NFL. Maybe not well except for some
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of the ones that are at the top of his list, right,
and again he is projecting there with Nicks, but yet Bo.
But Michael Pennix hadn't done anything. Mac Jones certainly hadn't
done anything. Cj had an off your last year. Well,
see if he bounces back. Tua Is has.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Been, you know, mediocre, Trevor Lawrence is underperformed. You know,
I suppose that you could uh massage the truth a
little bit and see, you know what Watson before he
left Bill O'Brien, but but after he left Bill O'Brien
he was terrible. Dwayne Haskins was terrible, Mitch Truisky was middling,
pack to Lynch was terrible, Trey Lance hasn't gotten the reps.
And then you get into the Kyler, Murray, Jordan Love,
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Carson Wentz and that's all before you get to Pat Maholmes.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Well, the point I ultimately is gonna make is in
a lot of ways, Josh Allen becoming what he has
was a surprise to a lot of people, right, I
mean the tools were there, certainly, but he was a
sub sixty percent completion guy at Wyoming and even included
him even though that should have been excluded on the
on the formula. Right, Yeah, so that I mean, I'm
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glad you did, but I mean that that goes to
show you, right, the sub sixty percent and I mean
he hit a rocket arm, but it was one of
those things like he was a project.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Even drafted inside the top ten.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Lamar Jackson was a first rounder, but there was obviously
a lot of discussion going into the pre draft process
about how good he would be at the pro level
as well. Now, both those quarterbacks have turned into MVP
caliber quarterbacks, but they might kind of be outliers in
the conversation of what you are are looking to build
your franchise around. Now today we look at those guys
and say, oh my gosh, you'd love to have a
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Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson. But at the time they
were drafted, there were certainly teams that didn't see it
that way. They did not see both those guys as
future guy. I mean, Lamar Jackson was going thirty second overall,
tells you a lot about how the rest of the
league saw him as well. Well.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
There were several that that viewed him as a wide
receiver you know, in the world the big discussion, right,
a lot of that going on the time. I think
he went to the perfect offense for him, and it
allowed and system and it allowed him to become what
he could say me with Josh Allen, you went to
an organization that gave you the patience that.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
You weren't going to get. So that's kind of my
soilar place like there's a there's a bit of an
outlier to that conversation. It blows up his whole chart, right,
because you're talking about the two MVP you know, the
two most recent MVPs at the top of it, I think, right,
But then you also, you know factor in like, okay, well,
if you're you gotta find metrics that work for you
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and your system, and I guess I'll give Sean credit
for it. Those are the things that matter to him most.
But maybe to a different coach, maybe some of those
he would exclude a couple of those things because they're
looking at other metrics, they're looking at the arm town,
they're looking at other processing that the quarterback does. I'm
just saying that this works for him and what his
system is but it doesn't necessarily mean it has to
work for every team, right, But I mean, to be
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honest to you, the I'm not sure if it has
worked for him, because no quarterback has worked out for
him that he's drafted. Bnix would be the first.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
One that has worked out now, but would be the
highest drafted obviously he's ever drafted.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
But Derek Grayson didn't work out. I mean, you know,
you can go back and look at some of these
guys he'd draft out most of the more position change
guys anyway, Taysom Hill was a position change. He had
the kid from Missippi State that was a you know,
Ian book didn't work out, so those are late. I
mean again, I'm just saying this this formula though, because
it fascinates me how people make these decisions on quarterbacks.
The statistic that most correlates with quarterback success going from
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the college game of the NFL is adjusted yards per attempt,
and even that is not even close to being what
you'd call an infalluable indicator of any sort. So I'm
wondering if there's some way to.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Sort of triangulate this data, you know, the negative plays,
adjusted yards and some other variables sort of triangulate this
data to get better at predicting or predicating NFL quarterback success.
My own grades outperform, you know, draft the outperform adjusted
yet adjusted yards per attempt, and that's a minor arbitrary.
I mean, there are grades I give from looking at
stuff so and they're hardly you know, infallible. There's plenty
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I've missed out over the years, so you know, it
was just fascinating to me, though, that Sean Payton had
just staked everything on this formula which he was calling
an algorithm.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
It's not an algorithm.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
It's just a formula and it doesn't seem to produce
readable results. Now, do we believe that Sean Payton maybe
held some of the formula back from Seth Wickersher or
Seth didn't publish parts of it, or do we believe
that this is actually the thing for Sean Payton and
it's just messed up and he backed oored his way
to bone X.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
No. I believe that this is because he's talked about
this before, He's told us his formula before, so I
think this is legitimately as the formula and also goes
to show you different quarterbacks in different situations may perform differently.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
We say coaching matters, right.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
It does so system organizations. Not to say that I
think mac Jones had a chance to be a Hall
of Famer, but also he went to a situation where
his rookie year was good and then after that it
Connor fell off. The Patriots plan for him was a
terrible plan for him. Right, Trevor Lawrence got urban Meyer,
who's considered one of the worst head coaches in NFL history.
Right now, urban Meyer makes Nate Hackett look like Bill Belichick.
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And then he got to Doug Peterson and had some success,
but now now it seems like it's struggling. We'll see
what happens this year. But there was a time when
we thought Trevor Lawrence was the next next kind of guy.
So my point of is is the top of that
list in a lot of ways, basically shows me that
you like Like a lot of analytics, you take a
piece of it and then you apply that to the
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rest of your formula, which is your interview with the player,
what you see in the workouts, what you watch in
the film. It's like any other analytic. When we talk
about during the games, right afterwards, We can read EPA
until we're blue in the face. But if you literally
just did your research off EPA and never watched a game,
will you be missing a significant portion of the analysis
of the of the player and the team, right, And
so that's that's the thing. And I I just I
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don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
I found it fascinating that, first of all, that that
sewn would allow UT to even publish that, even though
they did it after the draft. Now, I assume that
Sean did that because he didn't feel like he was
ever going to be in the market to draft another quarterback,
right like bo is it for him for his career.
And that does make a tangible in a sense. But
that said, anybody could literally put this together with half
a brain in two seconds, could put this together and
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run the numbers and see the success or. The efficacy
of this formula is basically nil. There's no predictive power
behind this whatsoever. Now, the idea that you don't take
negative plays is a good thing.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
I would I would view that, you know, I would
look at that as he checked a boy like I
would use it as a check put this thing. But see,
that's what I'm saying, we're missing the piece we're missing
here is that that is what that formula only told
you a portion of what you should know about them
as a college player, and then where they went to
in the NFL is a huge part of why they
are having the success or lack of success that they've had.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Organization does matter. We gotta bump out of here. Appreciate
the time, and we will. We'll bump heads on this again,
probably tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
That's good, all right,
Welcome to it, Broncos Country Tonight, Benjamin Albright here with
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you short show edition post Rockies. Those of you heard
me earlier on KA Sports with Dave and Ryan just uh,
We're gonna get Ryan in here in the next segment,
go a little bit over what we saw at there
at camp today and get his thoughts on that. I'll
obviously give you give you mine as well. I think,
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you know, I think that, as I tweeted out earlier,
the defense is obviously well ahead of the offense at
this point in camp. But I don't want people to
mistake that for we should panic the offense sucks that
kind of stuff. Like you know, these these preconceived or
pre dialed up narratives that people get themselves into, I
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think are part of the problem with how this team
is covered and a good coverage in general. The offense
has struggled at times thus far in camp. I don't
you know, I don't think they are bad. I just
think that they're not at the level that the defense is.
And and that's that I'm interested to see over the
next few weeks of camp how they continue to install
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grow and uh and work on that and and where
they go from there. But I'm not gonna sit here
and just you know, rave about uh an offense that's
knocking it out of the park when they aren't. That's
that's not what's going on. I think there are there
are things and pieces to like. UH certainly seen Vele
Sutton make some great catches. Ingram has a spacing concept
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that they lacked last year with guys like Troutman, you know,
mostly playing tight end. I think, uh, you know, our R. J.
Harvey looks looks pretty explosive. He's gonna have to get
the the pass pro thing down though, like the JK.
Dobbins is going to start this season. Is RB one
on the depth chart, uh, simply by virtue of the
fact that that he's a three hundred and sixty degree
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running back, meaning that he can run, he can catch,
and he can pass pro. And that's you know, with Harvey,
that was the concern, you know, when you when you
have the guy that's that's his size and and he's
not small, he's just squatty. You know, whether or not
that guy could hold up uh, and and how much
pass pro he's had to do, which was not very much,
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whether or not you know, and how quickly he's going
to be able to learn that. And so that's in
terms of what's holding him back at this point.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
It's not you know, it's not ability.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
It's it's not you know, he stinks as a running
back or any of those kinds of things. And I've
certainly seen some some dumb takes out there. It really
is our Jay's ability to do pass protect at this point,
and he'll get there. He's a willing pass protector. He's
just he's not really ever had to had to do it.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
And so that's that's sort of the thing, is, you know,
getting the technique down, understanding exactly you know, why you
have to do certain things or how to do certain things,
and uh, as he continues to learn that, that's that's
gonna be the thing, you know, for him overall. I
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you know, the running back room, if you're looking at
it from a fantasy football perspective, it's gonna be pretty muddy.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I mean, JK.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Dobbins is going to get the lion's share of the
early snaps, but it's a pretty muddy room in terms
of the fact that you're probably going to have a
rotation between Dobbins Harvey A sprinkling of Julia McLoughlin and
and Samadra Guesstima in there as well. And I don't
know that any of them are what I would call
fantasy football viable. You know, I think Dobbins and Harvey
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will get drafted, but uh, in fantasy football leagues. But
if you're if you're looking at it from that perspective,
I'm not sure either one of those guys or somebody
you could count on week to week for for fantasy
football production. Evan Ingram is going to be getting the
lion's share of what we're gonna we'll call it the
tight end snaps. Although he doesn't really tight end. He
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very rarely is attached to the line, very rarely is
on the line. Everything I see.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Out there has him, you know, off the line and
away from the formation. Uh, he's a receiver playing tight end,
you know, playing something called tight end. But he's he's
a receiver.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Similarly, the way they used to use Jimmy Graham, you
know when when he was there in New Orleans. Uh,
the way he used to you know, use him as
more of an off the line why and uh, and
do stuff there so that that'll be a thing and
Ingram uh like I, like I talked about a few
weeks ago, Ingram is a guy that is getting most
of his snaps between the twenties, uh, most of his
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targets between the twenties with that work.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Does that change as we go along? Who knows.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
But he's never been a red zone guy before. Doesn't
mean he can't be one now, but he just hasn't
been one before. And that's sort of what we're seeing.
We're seeing at there so far. The defensive side of things,
the D line is getting the better of the of
the O line, which is interesting because you've got a
lot of highly paid players on that offensive line, between
Minords and McGlinchey, Bulls and Powers, those four guys are
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getting paid and Wattenburg of course on the rookie deal.
Those guys are getting paid. And when you're getting paid
that much money, there is an expectation there, whether that's
just a dominance by very very good defensive line, whether
that is something that the offensive line's got to get
squared away little too many throws I think where bow
has had pressure in his face and was trying to
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get risk some off his back foot. And so that's
one thing that I love the idea of this offense
practicing against a great defense because of you know that
all the cliches, irons, sharpens, iron, all that stuff. But
I love the idea because I think, you know, it
makes things easier for you when you're play against lesser defenses.
That said, the main thing that I don't want is
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for Bownicks to get into bad habits because he's trying
to bail himself out against this great defense a little
too often. Because you know, what you practice being is
what you become, right uh, And so if you're if
they're getting to you too quick and you're practicing throwing
off your back foot, well that that you're going to
start to become that. So that that is my one,
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you know, little tiny caveat of concern with all that.
In terms of the jet chart, there's nobody close to bow.
In terms of quarterbacking, Stidham will be the backup and
Alingers is the project. I don't think they'll keep three
quarterbacks on the roster this year. Ailinger will probably affect
practice squad guy when all said and done.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
In terms of the running backs right now, uh, Dobbins
is clearly in the lead. R J. Harvey would be two.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
McLoughlin would be three estimated before and then you know
the other guy's fighting it out there on the wide
receiver front. Sutton's the X. Mims is the z uh
Vle's kind of wide receiver. Three plays all over. Uh Franklin, Uh,
his is kind of pushed for for some time, and
he he plays the z uh split some snaps with
with Marvin Mims. Mims is clearly ahead of him, but uh,
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there's been some some splita snaps there as far as
that kind of stuff goes. And after that, Brighton Sherfield
round out the receivers at five and six. Sherfield obviously
has special teams you know, ability as well, and so
those are the guys that are gonna make, uh that'll
make the fifty three. Now, might they keep another receiver?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Maybe? I don't think so. I think that, uh, you know, looking.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
At the way that that this thing is shaken out,
I think they're gonna have two receivers on the practice squad,
you know, when when all said and done. But I
don't believe you're gonna have a situation where you carry
seven receivers this, especially with the injuries that they've had
an inside backer, so that would be it'd be Suton,
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mems Val, Franklin, Bryant Sherfield. And then maybe you're keeping
Jawan Newton or Jauquin Davis, maybe Courtney Jackson. You're probably
keeping two receivers. I don't think kyrieh Roland or Michael
Bandy or at Parry. I don't think those guys are
They're not in danger of making the fifty three. I
don't think unless Bandy gets kept around because you know
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he's Lombardy's guy, that they'll make the roster. On the offense,
you already know the offensive line, you know, left to right,
it's it's uh, Bulls, Powers, Wattenberg, Minors, McGlinchey.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
In terms of the backups, we've seen Forsyth, Bowshewski both
get uh, you know, getting reps. You know, Pert obviously,
I don't think he hears some people talking about Frank
Crumb or Clay Webb. Those guys are have been really
third teamers, and I don't think they're making the team.
Probably practice squad guys, if if anything at all. And
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then the tight end room, you know Ingram listed as
a tight end and you know we make the joke
about the heavy slot, but that's what he plays. Adam
Troutman uh Nate Atkins gonna make this team. Kroll uh
and and Priest corn I don't think either one of
them or in danger making the team. Loner probably makes
the team, maybe practice squad as a developmental guy. And
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that's that's pretty much how the offense looks. I mean,
Burton's the fullback if he's kept around. If not, Adkins
will do We'll do double duty there. On the defensive side, well,
you already know the d line, you know, Zach Allen,
DJ Jones and John Franklin Myers, Malcolm Roach has been
getting some roun savon Jones as well. They may they
probably keep one other one. But the question is who's
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that gonna be. Whether that's it was a Rique at
henningson Jordan Jackson, who knows, but that's you know, there's
five there for sure, and.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Then everybody's kind of fighting for that last spot there.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
From the edge rush. You know, John Cooper and Nick
Benito be the starters, Joan Ellis and Andrea Tillman or
the backups there. Ke Robinson of course drafted and play
special teams. That's probably all you keep I don't think
Farmer or Nelson are going to end up making the squad.
Maybe they make maybe one of them lands on the
practice squad on the inside. UH, Drey green Law Alex
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Singleton will be the starters. Sternad right now has been
the primary backup, but Lavelle Bailey has really kind of
turned some heads, and that's one to keep your eye on.
A strong enough preseason performance probably puts him in a
good spot, especially with Drew Sanders out due to UH
due to injury, So keeping your eye on stronade leavel
Bailey after that. I don't think Kareine.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Reid or JB.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Brown or Garrett Waller or Jordan Turner' I don't think
any of those guys are necessarily in danger of making
the team.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
UH. The DB's one of the most talented secondaries in
in football.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Pats are tan uh. You know obviously Riley moss is
this is the second corner and Jade Baron is the
UH as the nickel.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
UH.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Their backups right now have been an interesting sort of fight.
Abram's drain, I would say is probably CEB four UH.
Damari Mathis and and Jaquan mcmillion are the the others
mcmillion playing out of the nickel.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
I don't think any of the other corners beyond them
are making the team. Quentin Newsome, Josh Piggott, you know,
Rhys Taylor, Jane Robins soon. I think any of those
guys are are making the team.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I just I just don't. UH.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
In terms of the safeties, Brandon Jones and Have Fog
are gonna be the starter's uh. PJ Locke and Devin
Keye have really been kind of the backups.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
UH.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
We've seen some run out of Sam Franklin Junior, and
my and I would say that Turner Yell and Jail
Skinner have got a long way to go, you know,
to being able to to making this team. Guys that
previously they had high hopes for. But I think they've
got a ways to go in terms of securing a
spot on this team that's a non a non practice
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squad spot.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
That's that's the initial depth chart of the Denver Broncos
UH from me personally, and you know you'll see you'll
see how that shakes out. I'm really looking forward again
to see these guys against the uh the Niners this
coming weekend. And by the way, if you guys want
to hang out, you'll have to forgive me. My voice
is sort of cracking. I've been sick and doing double duty,
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so my voice is kind of given out, so I apologize.
But if you guys want to hang out Saturday night
at burn Down, that's where we're gonna be myself, Nick Ferguson,
and that's where we're gonna be all year for all
the away games for the Broncos, so we'll get a
chance to watch preseason action against the n i Ers.
Come hang out with myself and Nick at burned Down
on Saturday night. The game kicks off at eight thirty,
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and obviously we're looking forward to to doing that all
year and having those out there. It's really cool bar.
If you guys haven't seen, it's like a four story bar.
You got a rooftop thing you can go look at.
They've got a like this mini deck in the middle
thing in a regular bar at the Bought. It's it's
a really fun place. So looking forward to that for
you guys this year. Come hang out with us at
burned Down. The shoots over on Broadway, so if you
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need to need to look that up real quick touching
on some stuff around the league. If I were you guys,
and you're you're into wagering the way that I am,
I would be betting the Unders on Minnesota Vikings games early,
just just based on some stuff conversations I've had out
of there. It's not quite coming together on offense just
as quick as they'd wanted with JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
So something to keep your eye on with that.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Cleveland where you've got like a five way race for
quarterback and that's been a been a merry go round.
Another injury today, third round pick Dylan Gabriel, this time
Head coach Kevin Stefanski told reporters that Gabriel was limited
in Monday's practice because he's dealing with tightness in his hamstring.
Can he Pickett was limited due to a hamstring injury,
(13:11):
you know. Schudoor Sanders today was set to work in
full after being slowed by a sore arm over the weekend.
I texted somebody there and it was a legit thing.
That was legit arm soreness. Joe Flacco is the only
one who seems to have not dealt with an injury
at any point this summer and is in the lead
(13:31):
for the quarterback job there in Cleveland, for whatever that's worth.
But that is, that's, that's just, you know, an interesting
situation because the coaching staff clearly wants dealing Gabriel, the
front office, UH clearly want shud Or Sanders, and Joe
Flacco is a thousand years old and winning the job
right now with duty injuries and and not, you know,
and then play from from everybody else.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Uh, thus far so interesting to.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Watch that. And you know obviously that that our friend
Shelby Harris is you know, he's on that defense over there.
And that's that's certainly something to to keep your eye on.
Is the brown situation is as it moves along, and
that the amount of injury I guess that they've had
(14:25):
is certainly telling. I guess in the in the Browns
quarterback competition, the last couple of minutes before we bring
Ryan Edwards in and get a chance to talk to
him about what he saw at there camp today, I
didn't want to talk about the interim.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Executive director of the nfl P A.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Lloyd Howel's out and they opted to hire the guy
who finished second to him, David White.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
White.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
I don't I don't even know how to how to
put this, but it's it's unknown when or if the
Board of Player Reps became aware that White was even
a candidate before it was time to cast ballots. And
it seems like most people didn't know that he was
up for the job because a there weren't too many
(15:13):
leaks about him getting out there, and be a lot
of the vetting that went wrong with Lloyd Howell seems
to have gone wrong with David White. Even a simple
Google search would have found that. Back in June eleventh
of twenty fifteen, an article on Deadline dot Com began
(15:35):
with this paragraph and I'm quoting here quote, saga After
National Executive Director David White recently misled the union's Board
of Directors about the union's attempts to whitewash an open secret,
which was director Amy Berg's explosive documentary about sexual abuse
of child actors in Hollywood. He misled the board about
the union's threat to sue her and the film's producers.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
End quote.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
The issue arose from a Deadline report that sag After
threatened to sue amy Burg unless you removed all references
to the union from the film. The union had said
in a statement he did not threaten to sue Berg
and that it did not try to suppress information regarding it.
Berg disagreed, telling Deadline quote, I felt sag after he
used legal threats to sanitize the film. She also provided
a copy of the letter from Sagaff's outside council, the
(16:20):
copy of which has been said to White. The first
question I guess is did the NFLPA Executive Committee and
or the Board of Player Reps know about.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
This issue in twenty twenty three?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
The second issue did they discuss it before they hired
White on Sunday? And the third question is if they
knew about it, why was he not disqualified? So this
is going to be something that's we're going to keep
our eye on going forward. But the NFLPA situation has
been an absolute mess, and I'm really I'm hoping that
they find someone better than White to rep them going forward.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Broncos Countries and I back with Ryan Edwards after this.
Welcome back to it Broncos Country tonight.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Benjamin Albright here with you post Rockies edition, and as promised,
we've got Ryan Edwards here again two days in a row.
We had to pay his appearance fee so we're gonna
need you guys to really come out to the burnout
and show and show down so we can continue to
make money to be able to have Ryan on the show.
But Ryan, we were glad we were able to afford you.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Where are my skills? Where are my green scals? For
crying out loud?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Man?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
One thing?
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yes? For one? You know they got your writer to
me late. You know, I apologize. I'm watching you eat
them right now. That's what's going on. During the hours
and hours of show prep that I do. I just
did not have time to follow through on that.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
So you thought about it on the walk over particular.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Yeah, that's really that's actually I didn't think about it
on the walk over Even then. I was like, nah,
that was a maximum amount of effort. It would say
that you're you were appearing disinterested in for the show.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
You know, some radio stations might say that, might say
that I appear bored and disinterested. They might say that
that would be probably closer to the truth than trying
to call out the quarterback for looking bored and did
as somebody said station said today, bolts.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
It's a bolt strategy. Uh, I mean, listen, you gotta
get attention that that'll do it. I mean, yeah, well,
deals you got you gotta, you get to carve out
a niche, you know, and and uh when when oh
they're shoveling something, Listen, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna bury.
I have no idea where they came from. But I
saw you tweeting about it on UH on X or whatever,
(18:23):
and it's just as nonsense. It's just utter nonsense. It's uh.
I I don't even I already know where to begin
with something like that. So I don't think we really
have to talk about it much. But I do think
it's a bit of a punchline now. And uh, congratulations
for for the coverage.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah, I I was. I don't I don't even know
what to do with that quote. Somebody's like when somebody says,
I don't even know what to do with that, Like
somebody is saying that the quarterback looks bored. How would
you determine that? Because I have not seen Bowl look
bored or disinterested. He's not, you know, out here lighting
the world on fire. But you know he's not been
bad either, you know, I mean the interceptions in training camp,
(19:01):
this is not a justin Field's training camp where he's
you know, uh, six of fifty passing for his last
two practices with like fifteen interceptions. Both, you know, this
is both throwing natural interceptions that you get from doing
certain things in camp against a good defense.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah. Well, first of all, I tend to be frustrated
with the idea of body language reading anyways, because you
really don't know you look at it through your lens.
How do you know? Yeah, cold reading the court? Okay,
the mentalist, So, like, you know, because he didn't like
run up to Devon Vle today after he threw a
touchdown to him like during seven's like, oh my god,
(19:36):
like he didn't celebrate with his guy.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
I mean, what did you What did you really want?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
I don't even know what to do with that.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
But like, in general, there was a report out a
few weeks ago that Odric Estimate looked disinterest or bored
or or unhappy or whatever. I'm just like, I mean,
literally nobody else is seeing this, so I don't I
don't know what to do. I don't know, didn't break
this down for me like I'm five years old. Well again,
it's just this is one of those deals like I,
I do think, and I tend to defend everybody's perception
(20:04):
of reality and perception of what they're seeing out there.
I mean there's some days I come up with camp
and hey, I'm really impressed by this player, and somebody
else will say, you know what, Actually, I saw this
thing that didn't impress me so much. And you know,
we did this last year with Bonnicks and the quarterbacks,
but I mean the other positions as well, where I'll
say this guy really impressed me, I saw this rep
that blew my mind, and somebody else will say yeah,
(20:26):
but then two plays later he got absolutely blown out
and it wasn't very good. So you know that that's
going to happen. But I would caution I think things
like that, especially media members that are doing things like that,
because it's tough for the fans that can't come to
practice because then they think that that's true, and then
(20:48):
they want start to wonder why the rest of the
media isn't reporting on it, and it becomes kind of
a toxic situation.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah, and it's a symptom of a larger problem I
think in media altogether. You see in flu and not
just in sports. You see in politics, you see it
that the influencers they have to say more and more
almost crazy things to keep you dialed in. Everything is
measured and clicks and views now and so these some
of these bad faith coverage things that you get are
(21:14):
people out there trying to run up the numbers, creating
day to day narratives so that you're hanging on the
words that they're because they're the only one telling you
the truth, right, So it's you know, they everybody else
is sheep or what you know, it's and you can
apply it across the board.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
You see it.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Everywhere, and it's it's not in training camp shouldn't be
viewed through the lens of that day anyway. It should
be viewed in the aggregate. We tend to We tend
to do things day to day simply because those are
the individual chapters. But you don't judge a book by
one chapter. You judge a book by the contents of
the completed book. And that's and that's how that's how
training camp should be viewed, you know as well.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
And so you know, I think a lot to me
this feels like bad faith coverage. I would I don't
know the person who said it I'm not sure who
said it as of the time that we were doing this.
So for me, I don't know if that person because
there are there are people over there at this competing
establishment that are good people that I that I know,
that you know, wouldn't do it for the for the takeery,
(22:11):
and then there are people over there that definitely do
it for the takery, and and so you know, I
don't know where to classify this. If somebody just is
seeing something that nobody else is seeing.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Or if this is something somebody is creating a ridiculous
nonsense to keep people dialed in.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
I don't really know.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
And again, I know everybody over there personally, for I
would consider myself friends with all of them, So I
certainly don't want to call anybody out. I just don't
see that. So I guess to dial it back to
notches for myself, I just don't. I don't. I don't
agree with them. So whoever said it, I don't know
who it is, but I don't agree with it. But
I will say this, and I've said this for a
long time. Anybody that is telling you I'm the one
(22:48):
you should listen to for the truth is probably not
the one you should be listening to for the truth. Yeah,
if you have to go out of your way to
tell people that you're the one and you're the voice
that is given it to him straight and nobody else is,
I think that should be an indication for you to
run and stop listening almost immediately, right. But again, that
that's just me and most time anybody drops into that level.
(23:09):
Because if you really are desperate enough to drop into
the level I'm telling you the truth and everybody else isn't,
then there's probably something wrong with you. Well, it's and
that's one of those there's a great expressions desperate from
back in the in the day, which is, if you're important,
you don't have to tell people you are. You know,
if you're important, you simply will be you don't you know?
Do you know?
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Don't you know who I am? Well, if you have
to say that, then you're not important enough to know, right.
And the same thing applies with uh, with what you're
saying right there with you. If you if you're telling
people the truth, you don't have to tell people that
you're the one telling them the truth.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
They'll know, uh.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
And so that's that's sort of you know, that's sort
of the thing with that, I don't know get into
real things that are happening at camp though. Pat Bryan
had himself a little bit of a day getting to
work with all three units. The rookie who people have
high hopes for, certainly getting the work in.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
He was phenomenal today. Pat Bryant, Michael Baddy had a
heck of a day. Troy Franklin had a heck of
a day. They kind of rested some vets today, so JK.
Dobbins wasn't out there. I don't think Court ran a
lot of team stuff either. Maybe even Evan Ingram had
some time off too, So it was one of those
days where a lot of Vets got opportunities to to
(24:15):
just sort of absorb practice. Now they were out there.
They were standing around there watching practice. Trent Sherfield was
out there, Malcolm Roach was out there. JK. Dobbins, I mean,
they're all they're all kind of taking in practice, but
it was not a day that they got those reps.
So R. J. Harvey got a chance to kind of
be the first crack at the bat running back one,
and he looked fantastic out there.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
If he gets the pass pro down he's gonna be
a bigger factor this year. That's really it. That's really
the thing.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
I can absolutely see what Sean loved in him.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
I mean, there's just this sort of there's there's a quickness,
this wiggle he's got. He finds the hole, he kind
of gets small into it, and then he bursts out
of it. And he's not gonna be an easy guy
to bring down either, I think after the fact. But yeah,
today Pat Bryan, Pat Bryan was certainly the star. And
I say the other one was Detroit Franklin and Michael Bandy.
No interceptions today For all the people that out there
(25:04):
that have been tracking this and Jary.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Zero picks for the season for bow Knicks.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Now, well he went back into a shell emphasis on
oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
See this, this is this is the thing, you know,
after so many interceptions, he obviously dialed it back. He
decided to go really, no, that's not that's not all.
Now he was pushing the ball. They did some a
lot of them move the ball drills today. They did
some sevens in the red zone. They worked on a
minute and a half drill from their own thirty and
the the offense to get into field goal range. Because
(25:30):
of a huge diving catch on scrabble Drill by Troy Franklin.
So there were some really nice moments today, I think.
I think on both sides, I thought it was kind
of funnier Guy Mario, who and Ure were both there,
and Mario was like, it was kind of a block practice,
and then he wrote underneath, I was also sitting in
the heat, and I'm very tired and cranky because I
didn't think it was a blaw practice at all.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
But I got to stay in the shade the entire time.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
So it's weird how you were singing Katie Perry's Firework
the whole time.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Well, you know, I mean that's the thing that we do.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
You know, we all pick a song on the sidelines
song and that's the song of the day. Usual you
are there to help us out with it. I prefer
the wrap, but you know, that's it just is what
it is.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Not the place white Chocolates.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Well, one of the reasons, you know.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
The other thing I wanted to get to is the
Seth Wickersham blurb from his book that came out today,
which was specifically focused on Sean Payton, and it involves
Wickersham at the time, as is prior to the drafting
of Bonicks, being in the room with Sean Payton and
Sean kind of showing him something which is apparently his
quote unquote analytical formula for drafting quarterbacks. It is a
(26:33):
formula that basically I took and reverse engineered. But the
exact formula would be sacks taken plus interceptions throwing plus
PLUF fumbles loss divided by the number of passing attempts.
Exclude all quarterbacks with a sixty two percent or lower
completion percentage, right, so you could you could work that up,
and of course, be being the nerd that I am,
I did uh to see how this formula that he
(26:55):
selects quarterbacks by, which in the if you read the blurb,
had Bonix the very high number where it ranked all
the quarterbacks in the last ten years. Because he's saying
that this formula was what convinced him that he should
have drafted Pat Mahomes back in the year that he's
now revisioned his history trying to claim that he was
into Pat Mahomes. The problem with that is when you
run this formula, you can see that it has both
(27:17):
Mitch Trubisky and Deshaun Watson rated above Patrick Mahomes in
terms of negative plays taken, which is essentially what this
thing measures. Deshaun Watson significantly. So Mahomes finishes in the middle.
This is all first round quarterbacks taken over.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
The last ten years. Mahomes finishes in the middle. Bow
finishes with the best number out of all these quarterbacks.
Michael PENNICKX was second, Mac Jones third. He dis drought
to Trevor Lawrence, Deshaun Watson, Dwayne Haskins. I remember that fiasco,
Mitch Trubisky, Paxton Lynch, and Trey Lance. That's the top quarterbacks,
not exactly prestigious company. Yeah, and then you go to
the other end of it. They go to the other
(27:52):
end of it, and the worst quarterbacks. The first two
are Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Yeah, so it's not exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Now, Justin Fields is third, So obviously this is the
formula works. But well it's Justin Field's, Canny Pikett, Daniel Jones.
So there's some there's some here at the bottom that
are that are batter But this doesn't seem to a
line or have any correlation or or any sort of
any anything. As an indicator of a success of a
quarterback in the NFL. Maybe not well except for some
(28:19):
of the ones that are at the top of his list, right,
and again he is projecting there with Nicks, but yet Bo.
But Michael Pennix hadn't done anything. Mac Jones certainly hadn't
done anything. Cj had an off your last year. Well,
see if he bounces back. Tua Is has.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Been, you know, mediocre, Trevor Lawrence is underperformed. You know,
I suppose that you could uh massage the truth a
little bit and see, you know what Watson before he
left Bill O'Brien, but but after he left Bill O'Brien
he was terrible. Dwayne Haskins was terrible, Mitch Truisky was middling,
pack to Lynch was terrible, Trey Lance hasn't gotten the reps.
And then you get into the Kyler, Murray, Jordan Love,
(28:52):
Carson Wentz and that's all before you get to Pat Maholmes.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Well, the point I ultimately is gonna make is in
a lot of ways, Josh Allen becoming what he has
was a surprise to a lot of people, right, I
mean the tools were there, certainly, but he was a
sub sixty percent completion guy at Wyoming and even included
him even though that should have been excluded on the
on the formula. Right, Yeah, so that I mean, I'm
(29:16):
glad you did, but I mean that that goes to
show you, right, the sub sixty percent and I mean
he hit a rocket arm, but it was one of
those things like he was a project.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Even drafted inside the top ten.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Lamar Jackson was a first rounder, but there was obviously
a lot of discussion going into the pre draft process
about how good he would be at the pro level
as well. Now, both those quarterbacks have turned into MVP
caliber quarterbacks, but they might kind of be outliers in
the conversation of what you are are looking to build
your franchise around. Now today we look at those guys
and say, oh my gosh, you'd love to have a
(29:46):
Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson. But at the time they
were drafted, there were certainly teams that didn't see it
that way. They did not see both those guys as
future guy. I mean, Lamar Jackson was going thirty second overall,
tells you a lot about how the rest of the
league saw him as well. Well.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
There were several that that viewed him as a wide
receiver you know, in the world the big discussion, right,
a lot of that going on the time. I think
he went to the perfect offense for him, and it
allowed and system and it allowed him to become what
he could say me with Josh Allen, you went to
an organization that gave you the patience that.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
You weren't going to get. So that's kind of my
soilar place like there's a there's a bit of an
outlier to that conversation. It blows up his whole chart, right,
because you're talking about the two MVP you know, the
two most recent MVPs at the top of it, I think, right,
But then you also, you know factor in like, okay, well,
if you're you gotta find metrics that work for you
(30:33):
and your system, and I guess I'll give Sean credit
for it. Those are the things that matter to him most.
But maybe to a different coach, maybe some of those
he would exclude a couple of those things because they're
looking at other metrics, they're looking at the arm town,
they're looking at other processing that the quarterback does. I'm
just saying that this works for him and what his
system is but it doesn't necessarily mean it has to
work for every team, right, But I mean, to be
(30:54):
honest to you, the I'm not sure if it has
worked for him, because no quarterback has worked out for
him that he's drafted. Bnix would be the first.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
One that has worked out now, but would be the
highest drafted obviously he's ever drafted.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
But Derek Grayson didn't work out. I mean, you know,
you can go back and look at some of these
guys he'd draft out most of the more position change
guys anyway, Taysom Hill was a position change. He had
the kid from Missippi State that was a you know,
Ian book didn't work out, so those are late. I
mean again, I'm just saying this this formula though, because
it fascinates me how people make these decisions on quarterbacks.
The statistic that most correlates with quarterback success going from
(31:27):
the college game of the NFL is adjusted yards per attempt,
and even that is not even close to being what
you'd call an infalluable indicator of any sort. So I'm
wondering if there's some way to.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Sort of triangulate this data, you know, the negative plays,
adjusted yards and some other variables sort of triangulate this
data to get better at predicting or predicating NFL quarterback success.
My own grades outperform, you know, draft the outperform adjusted
yet adjusted yards per attempt, and that's a minor arbitrary.
I mean, there are grades I give from looking at
stuff so and they're hardly you know, infallible. There's plenty
(32:01):
I've missed out over the years, so you know, it
was just fascinating to me, though, that Sean Payton had
just staked everything on this formula which he was calling
an algorithm.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
It's not an algorithm.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
It's just a formula and it doesn't seem to produce
readable results. Now, do we believe that Sean Payton maybe
held some of the formula back from Seth Wickersher or
Seth didn't publish parts of it, or do we believe
that this is actually the thing for Sean Payton and
it's just messed up and he backed oored his way
to bone X.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
No. I believe that this is because he's talked about
this before, He's told us his formula before, so I
think this is legitimately as the formula and also goes
to show you different quarterbacks in different situations may perform differently.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
We say coaching matters, right.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
It does so system organizations. Not to say that I
think mac Jones had a chance to be a Hall
of Famer, but also he went to a situation where
his rookie year was good and then after that it
Connor fell off. The Patriots plan for him was a
terrible plan for him. Right, Trevor Lawrence got urban Meyer,
who's considered one of the worst head coaches in NFL history.
Right now, urban Meyer makes Nate Hackett look like Bill Belichick.
(33:03):
And then he got to Doug Peterson and had some success,
but now now it seems like it's struggling. We'll see
what happens this year. But there was a time when
we thought Trevor Lawrence was the next next kind of guy.
So my point of is is the top of that
list in a lot of ways, basically shows me that
you like Like a lot of analytics, you take a
piece of it and then you apply that to the
(33:24):
rest of your formula, which is your interview with the player,
what you see in the workouts, what you watch in
the film. It's like any other analytic. When we talk
about during the games, right afterwards, We can read EPA
until we're blue in the face. But if you literally
just did your research off EPA and never watched a game,
will you be missing a significant portion of the analysis
of the of the player and the team, right, And
so that's that's the thing. And I I just I
(33:47):
don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
I found it fascinating that, first of all, that that
sewn would allow UT to even publish that, even though
they did it after the draft. Now, I assume that
Sean did that because he didn't feel like he was
ever going to be in the market to draft another quarterback,
right like bo is it for him for his career.
And that does make a tangible in a sense. But
that said, anybody could literally put this together with half
a brain in two seconds, could put this together and
(34:09):
run the numbers and see the success or. The efficacy
of this formula is basically nil. There's no predictive power
behind this whatsoever. Now, the idea that you don't take
negative plays is a good thing.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
I would I would view that, you know, I would
look at that as he checked a boy like I
would use it as a check put this thing. But see,
that's what I'm saying, we're missing the piece we're missing
here is that that is what that formula only told
you a portion of what you should know about them
as a college player, and then where they went to
in the NFL is a huge part of why they
are having the success or lack of success that they've had.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Organization does matter. We gotta bump out of here. Appreciate
the time, and we will. We'll bump heads on this again,
probably tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
That's good, all right,
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