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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:01):
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to shame Grant into doing more content.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Appreciate you guys.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
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Stitch Jones from Heartbreak Ridge. That's Mario van Peebles's character,
crappy singer, great soldier.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
I love it, Oh, I love it. What else we
got here?
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
A couple of people reminded me that Wes Borland was
in them Biscuit. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
As soon as I said Lubiscuit, I was like, I
should have picked a different band because they you know,
two names from that band, so that that one's on me.
What else we got here? Shadoor you got.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Hurt at the they said it was oblique, right, and
someone will call me today as we were discussing it
and they were like, well, do you think this is
an oblique injury? I was like, here's an interesting thing
about injuries when it comes to any player.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Teams only talk about it.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
The Belichick made it the whole thing of on to
Cincinnati type of thing and not trying to give any
creatives to any injuries, and players really don't really talk
about them. And in New England sometimes players over embellish
injuries that really were not in place.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
There has been submit that Jerome Bennis knew he was
getting cut, so he faked the injury so that he
did have to keep him to do the roster mechanics,
and then he was miraculously healed.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I'm here, it's blessing.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
It's the recovery water.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
So I don't know what the real situation is with Shador,
but I'll say this, I really enjoy watching him play
against the Carolina Panthers and known as though you had
two quarter backs that were already injured, can you pick
it in Dylan Gabriel, And it gave him an opportunity
to really go out there and show And as I
was watching the game, I was texting back and forth,
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which is regular fans and people who work at the medium,
and it was like, well, what do you think of
the way that your door is playing as far? I said, well,
if you were against him, you're going to say, well.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
That was just the preseason.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
He didn't really perform well and that's not indicative of
who he can be as a player. If you were
for him, obviously that your viewpoint was different. I try
to look at it with a clear sound in mind,
and I said, well, what am.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I seeing and what I wanted to see?
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Shador dudes get the ball out of his hands quickly
showed that he can move and climb the pocket, and
watch how he adjusts to NFL speed, Like there were
a couple of times in a game where he retreated
like mobile quarterbacks do, losing ground the game ground, and
it looked like a couple of times is gonna get
him in trouble.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Some of those things we saw when he was a
CU quarterback.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
But it was great to see him make those mistakes
but then also find ways to move the ball down
the field and deliver two touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah, I thought to me, it felt like and I
have no dog in the fight. I I it felt
like there was, you know, narratives on both sides of it.
In the truth, like most most things, was somewhere in
the middle. I thought he did what he needed to
do in that game. You know, here was the task asigning.
You came out and did it.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I thought there were some negative plays in there, and
you were.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Talking about it to losing ground again grad he was
gonna get himself in trouble on that play, but then
again to throw the touchdown throw to Kay and Davis
to right on the money, you know, on the move movie.
He left right handed quarterback and was right on the money,
And I was like, okay, all right, get a little
something there. That's you know, I thought, I thought it was.
You definitely put it in the positive column as a
game of course. You know, I don't know if you're
you're suddenly anointing him the starter of anything, but you.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
You putting that you came out, but you were the
fourth quarterback on the rosher, and you came out and
did exactly what you needed to do to keep.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yourself in the conversation.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Yeah, I think if anyone is out there anointing you
should or I don't think that's what you want to do.
If there's anyone out there are who deciding to really
criticize him, that's not what.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
You do either. You take it for what is worth.
He wanted to go.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
You wanted to see that he can show you that
he had some of the skills that's required to play
the quarterback position on this level, in that level being
the NFL level. And he did he make some NFL throws,
Yes he did. And this is where it's a growth
type of situation with him. Remember he's still a young player,
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right and regardless of what you think of him, he's
going to make his mistakes. But you want to see
that he can bounce back, seeing him get outside the pocket,
kind of gesture to the tight end to continue to
move down the field and just have that limon drop
throw with the one hand to catch by the tight end.
These are the type of throws that you deciperately need.
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Now the question is at the oblique injury, this now
gives Dylan Gabriel his opportunity. Now the question is what
does he do with that opportunity? And I'm thinking based
on how should or play. It may put Dylan Gabriel
in a situation where he has to press, and if
he pressed, he's gonna make mistakes. And he makes mistakes,
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that's just gonna make him look bad and is gonna
continue to elevate.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Your door over him.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Yeah, and that's the thing. I think Kenny Pickett is
out already. I mean, you've been too hurt. You haven't
really ever been in there.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Joe Flackle's going to be the presumptive starting quarterback for
the Browns this year until.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Somebody else takes it.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I think Kenny Pickett's the odd man out, and you
wind up going into the season with Dylan Gabriel and
Shodor Sanders fighting it out to be the primary backup
and maybe unseate him if he falters.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
You know, it's funny that you mentioned that, because that's
the kind of the way that I looked at it.
Because everyone was talking before the first preseason game saying
as though that your door could be the odd man out,
and I've looked at the same way that you just
kind of articulated, just kind of looking at a canny
Pickett saying as though, okay, well, your former first round
draft choice.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
What have you shown right now to say that you.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Are able to overtake the elder guy, you know, the
ARP guy and Joe Flacco and you. The Browns know
what Flacco can do, and all they need him to
do is just kind of be a stop gap to
one of those young quarterbacks actually take the step forward,
Like if in this next preseason game, Dylan Gabrews looks
good and has comparable numbers to Shador. Now, Andrew Berry
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is saying, you know what, We're in a great spot
because Cleveland has two first round draft picks next year
and everyone everyone is already predicting that one of those
picks was going to be arch Manet.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
I don't think Art is coming out. I really don't.
I think he's staying in school.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Money in college football is money in college football is
too good, and he comes from money.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
He's one of them to I think they're staying in school.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
Man.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I think I think Leonora Sellers is going to wind
up being a side from the kid from Penn State.
I think those two are going to be the probably
the top two quarter in this comentry.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
If I'm Cleveland, I'm thinking about it this way. If
you're getting decent play from your two young quarterbacks. Like
you said, you allow them to kind of compete for
that job after Flacco. But also, you got two first
round picks, so you can make your team better by
using one of those picks to go get a wide receiver,
use your second first round pick to ask anyone to
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heye you want to move up, swap those picks and
gain more you know, draft capital and make your team better.
So the idea of looking at maybe Archer other quarterbacks,
I don't think Cleveland necessarily has to.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Do that right away right now.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
The season as we go along, it would dictate and
show us if they will have to do that, but
right now don't.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I don't think that that should be a major concern
for them.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah, I think at this point, I mean, and that
coaching staff is on shaky ground, that coaching staff's gotta.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Win some games they don't.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah, so that you know, you could be staring a
news coaching staff in the face with those draft picks
as well, so they're incentivized to make it work with
what they've got rather than the coaching staff rather than
try to wait it out for a year.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
You know that kind of stuff. The coaching STAFS incentive is.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
To make it work.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
So we'll see, you know, we'll see how that goes.
I'm interested to see Dylan Gabriel in a game. I
didn't think very highly of him coming out as an
NFL prospect, but I'm interested to see him in a game.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
See, you know, maybe he'll maybe he'll prove me wrong.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Boy.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
That's a great thing about this game of football, but
more importantly game of life. Proving people wrong, but more
importantly earning your respect. Like I'm like, I'm no, no,
sadamis and I don't think none of us are, and whatever,
let me see a birth certificate, but no, I mean,
I think when you are evaluating players based on what
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you've seen previously from high school to college and the
projection of being a pro player, that maybe sometimes your
projections could be off, and maybe a guy can surprise
and wold you in ways that you didn't think because
now he's challenged. It's funny how competition brings out the
best of you. Because when I found out both Dylan
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Gabriel and Kenny Pickott were nursing hamstring injuries, I said,
one of those quarterbacks are going to heal up real fast.
And that's what I thought watching the game against Carolina
and watching your door play, I said, one of those
guys are gonna heal up because your jobs are.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
On the line. There's no longer do we have four
preseason games.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
After this third preseason game, I think on August twenty six,
a lot of teams, Broncos included, are gonna have until
three to four East Coast time to finalize their ross.
So your window is closing really fast. And this is
why a lot of those players who are not going
to see a lot of playing time maybe in this
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second preseason game, they need to really show up tomorrow
against Arizona. That is your game, right one on one
special teams seven or seven reds on whatever special cat
it is. You need to make sure that you show
up and making plays because if you don't make the
Broncos roster, you want to make sure you stand out
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to Arizona.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
So they say, well, you know what, hey, when we
were practical.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
With the Wen said we got an injury over here,
we might need to you know, we might need to
go see if we get picked this guy up.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Adam to our.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Staff, yes exactly, So hopefully you get that level of
urgency from some of the young players and some of
the guys who are on the bubble that they take
that in mind. Tomorrow, yes, right now, currently the Broncos
are the team that of the jersey that you're wearing
paying your check.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
But tomorrow you got you gotta think big picture. Yeah, yeah,
I think big picture.
Speaker 6 (10:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
And that's and that's that's the thing. I think a
lot of these.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Guys that we're going to see you over the next
couple of days really have to do like they really
got to come out there and make that impression either
either from their own coaches to not cut me and
you got to keep me around, or to the opposing
team and say, hey, look you got to come get
me one of the two. And that is a big
part of preseason. You know, every year it seems like
I say the same thing, right, you know, I've got
a bunch of these cliches, you guys, hear them all
get tired. But in the preseason everything matters except the
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final score in the in the regular season, nothing matters.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
On which coach you talk to about the score doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Well, right, there are something that are competitive and trying
to win preseason games. That's John Harbaugh.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
But but you know what I mean though, like every
because preseason doesn't matter like bro, not to them people
that are out there, people out there, Every stap matters
because that's an opportunity to showcases that you get to
continue your dreams.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
So you know, we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
We get Nick cos Miner from the Athletic coming up
next to Broncos Country to night, Zach Seeger's back there,
super producing five six six nine zero is the text line.
We're gonna go right into the ka cost growth hot
line and bring on the other Nick, Nick Cosmier or
the Athletic.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Nick. How's are going?
Speaker 6 (11:41):
I'm doing great? How are you guys?
Speaker 1 (11:43):
I'm doing all right?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Too many Nicks on the show Man, we get the
We got Nick Ferguson over to get Cosminers. You guys
are just conspiring against me, and we need more bens
around here. We don't have enough bens in this market.
We're gonna we don't have to figure.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
That out yet that we already have one bin and
has one mentally fair enough.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
So is my segment at night is that it is?
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Ronchell's joint practice of the Arizona Cardinals coming up tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Cardinals, the team I think are quite good.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I maybe standing alone on that island, but I think
the Cardinals have a chance of winning that division. Dick
disagrees with me a little bit on that, but regardless,
they've spent a lot on their defense over the course
of this offseason, adding Kalaias Campbell, Dalvin Tomlinson, a team
Davis Gaith or Josh Sweat, drafting Will Johnson.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
You know, I think most people.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Know they've got Baron Browning and Buddha Baker and some
other other talented players on that roster. How good do
you think it's gonna be for the Broncos to square
up against a team that looks to be pretty good
on defense.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
Yeah, I think that's that's another great test, you know.
Sean Payton said it.
Speaker 7 (12:44):
The other day, was like anytime you get, you know
a little bit of a different front than what you've
been dealing with on a daily basis, and even different
from what they dealt with they're in Santa Clair against
the forty nine ers, that it can only benefit you, right, Like,
that's that's.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
How you sharpen it. You know, it's it's interesting.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
You know, to Sean Payton say, to hear him say
that this is the first time in his career.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
That they've ever had this, like back to back joint practices.
So I don't know if I don't know if we'll
do it again.
Speaker 7 (13:11):
You know, still hot maybe about some of the stuff
that went down in California, but I do.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
Think it's good.
Speaker 7 (13:17):
I think that this, you know, again, it's we're in
that age where only three preseason games. Eventually probably that's
only going to get down to two. So these are
kind of the opportunities that you really do have to
use to sharpen what it is that you're doing, to
to kind of get some live reps that helped.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
You, you know, help you, and you know, you can't
take these things for granted. The Chargers just had to
cancel their joint.
Speaker 7 (13:35):
Practice against the Rams because of what they're that they're
dealing with injury wise and all that kind of thing.
You know, the fort nine Ers had to do the
same thing last year, so I think they're eager.
Speaker 6 (13:45):
For, you know, just to try to fix some.
Speaker 7 (13:47):
Of the things that that maybe didn't go fully to plan.
You know, they're in California, whether it was be you know,
more opportunities for for R. J. Harvey to learn a
little bit about, you know, where to hit the hole,
and for Bo Nicks to kind of have a mulligan,
if you will, from some of the stuff that went
on in his three drives. I think they're all looking
forward to having that opportunity.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
I think when we look at this Broncos team, obviously
there's a lot to discuss, especially on the defense side
of the ball, and with the Broncos drafting Jaday Baron,
everyone was thinking that life was over for Jaquan McMillan,
but he continues to just kind of show up. You
look at the game against his forty nine ers. Obviously
they ran slot Fay, big catch. People criticized him for that,
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but he comes right right back playing the corner position
not Nickel and gets the interception. And he continues to
do that and show those types of things you know
in practice. So from your perspective, you know, looking at
Jakuan McMillan, how do you see him truly fitting in
this defense based on what he continues to.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Do and showing up.
Speaker 7 (14:50):
I think you hit it on the head, Nick, like
it's the versatility piece right that they can, that they
can flex him.
Speaker 6 (14:55):
Outside if they need to. I mean the thing about
it too is like I think they're.
Speaker 7 (15:00):
Going to spend because of a way that like John
Ay Barron and McMillan can tackle. You know, you heard
Court say on the k Adams Show yesterdays, like we
get out here and ota they got these guys in
the field we don't even know who are like supposed
to mic, we only got one linebacker out here, and
yet we're still kind of like running run plays.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
Like I think they're going to be able to do
more of that where you're going to see You're going
to see him in.
Speaker 7 (15:22):
Dime coverage more often with six TV's on the field.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
Because you just want to play to who you're more to,
you know, where your talent really lies. And for them
right now, what they have in the secondary and what
they have up front, like those are the two.
Speaker 7 (15:33):
Things you want to combine in as much as possible.
And so I just think that they're both going to
be on the field a fair amount this year.
Speaker 6 (15:41):
And really it's like will.
Speaker 7 (15:43):
McMillan see if like less snaps than the nickel, like
probably you know, or maybe he starts and they bring
Baron along in different ways. I just think that gives
them a lot of different options.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
And ultimately, you know, Sean Payton said this the other
day too, was like you really.
Speaker 7 (15:58):
Do truly need and this is something George Peyton's priest
before as well.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
Of like you need six or seven guys that can
really cover because at some point.
Speaker 7 (16:05):
Or another, based on either injuries or just based on
the personnel that you're playing in a given week, you're
going to need that.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
And so I think it's been great for the Broncos.
Speaker 7 (16:13):
And see the fact that McMillan, to your point, Nick,
like he just doesn't get phased, like to see him
respond to giving up that fifty yard play, which by
the way, like you know, could he have been a
little bit.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
Better coverage, yes, but you know came back.
Speaker 7 (16:27):
And played the way that you want to see from him.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Telling Nick Cosmider of the Athletic, I think one of
the more interesting battles that has sort of emerged here
is that third running back maybe fourth running back spot
if they do keep four, as we know JK.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Dobbins and R. J. Harvey's running back one and two.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
And I think you would have probably said Julia McLoughlin's
running back three, except Ton of today has certainly made
a run at that spot.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Estimate brings a.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Different skill set, and Blake Watson is still there as well.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
There is sort of a I feel like a battle
between McLoughlin and today for that third running back spot.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
What say you, yeah, I think that that is true.
Speaker 7 (17:01):
I definitely think those two and I'm really honest like myself,
and again I haven't been able to talk to you know,
like you know Louiyny or you know recently about just what.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
You know, the kind of a full evail.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
But for me, like Blake Watson, you come in the
game mill a third quarter and you you had an
eighteen yard play and a sixteen yard play, also had
another double digit run that was that was called back
like you know.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
That that was similar to what McLoughlin did a.
Speaker 7 (17:26):
Couple of years ago, where he waited till late in
the game to get his opportunity and then.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
Just jumped all over it. Watson's looks pretty good, of course, unfortunate,
I think too. It was part of two fumbled you know.
Speaker 7 (17:35):
Opportunities there practice today, which when you're in a battle
like that, you never want to have that happen. But
I think that I agree with you, Ben, Like I
thought going into camp, like McLoughlin, JEEA. McLoughlin was sort
of a lock type of guy, like he's going to
be your you know you're running back, you change the
pace guy. I still think he's ultimately going to be that.
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But but it's not like this set and.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Stone thing to me anymore. And then and the other question,
of course, is yeah, is it for Like that's not
typically what they've done. But I just don't think.
Speaker 7 (18:05):
They're ready to kind of give up on audric estimate
just yet. And he does bring a little bit of
a of a different element in terms of just the
straight downhill power.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
So it wouldn't surprise me if they do keep four.
But you're right, I don't think it's a given that
it's Jelil. You also have the how well Tyler has
played there to your point, like he.
Speaker 7 (18:26):
Deserves more looks, you know, both in the joint practice
and in the preseason game.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
It's going to be huge for that room.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Last year, you know, you look at both Nick's rushing
numbers and he was the third leading rusher on this
team with.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Four hundred and thirty.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
When you look at what he supplied last year and
he's going into his second year, would you say that
the Broncos success would that really depend on him being
able to duplicate those same numbers? And as far as
the rushing quarterback opposed to you know, passing, And the
reason I say let me let me preface this by
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saying this, And the reason I say that because looking
at how the game, the evolution of the game, and
how we have more running quarterbacks. So do you think
that bo should I guess, expand on those numbers or
should we look to see less rushing from both?
Speaker 6 (19:21):
No, it's a great question.
Speaker 7 (19:22):
Something I thought a lot about during camp. I actually
wrote about this a little bit this week. Was when
you looked to his rushing numbers last year, ninety two
rush attempts. It was the most rush attempts by a
Broncos quarterback since Tim Tebow in twenty eleven.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
But a lot of a lot of.
Speaker 7 (19:36):
Tibo's rushing that year, as you guys remember, was was
design run right, like you.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
Know, power quarterback run.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
Only twenty six percent of his runs were scrambles, whereas
last year fifty percent.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
Roughly fitting I'm sorry a little bit more than that.
Speaker 7 (19:50):
Fifty out of ninety two rushes, so about sixty percent
of Bo's rushes were scrambles, right, And it was a
dynamic element to his game, But I think a lot
of it was early.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
It was sort of like last resort.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
So what I think the Broncos would like to see
is not necessarily like worrying about, you know, the overall.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
Attempts, but I think they would like to see more
some of the scrambles that he had last year. Instead
be extend.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
This play horizontally along the line of scrimmage. Now you're
in concert with receivers who are better understanding of the
way that they should mirror your scrambles and get open
and kind of that chemistry having been built and ultimately
seeing that turn into some bigger catch and run plays
down the field.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
I think that is one area where.
Speaker 7 (20:37):
Use your legs to an advantage, where you're stressing the defense,
you know, horizontally before you turn all the way up,
he's going to scramble, he's going to run. It's it's
a dynamic element that he can add to this defense.
But again, this is a guy who dealt with the
back injury last year.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
They had the ankle thing.
Speaker 7 (20:53):
You don't want him taking a lot of shots. You
don't want him banged up. And one way to do
that is by reducing the amount of times that he
is eligible to be hit past the line of scrimmage.
And so again, I just think.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
It's Sean Payton said, the audit comes in, you know.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
How these players are getting finished, and I just think
that they're gonna want a little bit more of Hey,
can we turn some of these opportunities into just stand
along the line of scrimmage a little bit longer and
hitting some shots down the field.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yeah, I mean to that point, I think the absolute
last thing you wants a repeat of last year where
BOONICKX led the Broncos in rushing first downs first downs
acquired by a rush by a large margin. He had
forty one first downs running the football. Javonty Williams had
thirty for the whole season.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
You know that was he.
Speaker 7 (21:38):
I was just gonna say he led them in rushing
six out of eighteen games. Put in the playoffs, like
Josh Allen didn't do that, Lamar Jackson didn't do that. Like,
you don't want your quarterback leading you in rushing thirty
three percent of the time.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
And that again, I mean all this also appairs to
what they need to.
Speaker 7 (21:52):
Do to improve as a running a running attack, because
if your traditional running game is a lot more powerful, well,
now the stuff that you do with Nick, it's more
of a change of pace, it's more like pulling the defense.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
Off of that. And so yeah, I think if it's
a great point. I think if he's running.
Speaker 7 (22:07):
That much, again, it's you know, you just don't you
don't want to see that.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
You don't want your quarterback, especially.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
One that's not like again, Bo is very athletic, but
what we're not talking about prime Michael Vick here, Like
that's not who he is.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
And so yeah, I think ultimately we're going to see
that number come.
Speaker 7 (22:22):
Come down a little bit, but maybe be more effective
just you know, when when it when it is pulled out.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah, has there anyboybody has had a bigger jump yere
one of year two than than Troy Franklin. I mean,
Troy Franklin looked abysmal in camp last year. He had
a forgettable season. And I'm not saying he's like the
world on fire right now, but he's certainly a lot
better than he was last year.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
Yeah, and it's just the consistency, I think. I think
that's that's the thing. It's it's a like a his
top days to.
Speaker 7 (22:49):
Your point are way better than anything that he had.
But like you're there's just not a lot of these
days that we're up there, as you guys know, where
you don't see him show up. Like there's just not
these days where where you're not seeing Troy.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
Franklin be in the mix.
Speaker 7 (23:03):
And it's it's really cool to see from the perspective
of a guy who just like it's clear he had
like a light bulb moment, like and.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
Whether that was the confidence of you know, scoring in Buffalo.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
I don't tend to put too much on that as
much as it might like feel like a you know,
a good narrative to say he caught the.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
Touchdown and all of a sudden everything was like better.
Speaker 7 (23:21):
I just think that, however, he went about kind of
you know, working through the offense, you know, study wise
this offseason and just.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
Being able to slow it all down. You know the
fact that he's said he had this camp and then
goes out.
Speaker 7 (23:35):
In that joint practice and you know right away impactful
has the first catch of the game and the preseason.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
Like, I just think that's.
Speaker 7 (23:42):
The thing if I the Broncos that I really like
is that it's not it's just been consistent.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
It's been every single day. And that's when you that's
when you start to.
Speaker 7 (23:49):
Kind of see the growth in anything in life. Right,
you keep showing up and having that consistent thing, all
of a sudden, you know, now you're getting these watershed
moments where you're the improvement is coming in leaps.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Now. I can't to let you get out of here
about without talking about the the Broncos defense. And the
one guy who really stood out in his time on
the field was Nick Bonito, and you could tell, you know,
obviously he's really kind of worked himself into a high
level of confidence because the ability for him to get
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off the ball as quickly as he did it.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
And I TOOLDI in this early, but Steve Auer was
on with this.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
I said, I don't know if there was something that
Nick's study that the forty nine ers were doing, but.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Whatever it was, it was working.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
He was able to jump the snap count and he
was in the backfield like he was the running back.
If we continue to see this type of performance, not
just through preseason, but at the beginning of the season.
How much pressure will that put on the Denver Broncos
to get a deal done and get it done right away?
Speaker 6 (24:53):
Yeah, I mean it is. It's certainly that line.
Speaker 7 (24:56):
That you walk because if he comes out in the
first couple of weeks of the season, has performances like
he did in just one drive against the.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
Forty nine ers, like you know, it's only going to
go up.
Speaker 7 (25:06):
Now you can say, like, look, you know his age,
you know how much you know, how much can it
really fly?
Speaker 6 (25:13):
Like he's not.
Speaker 7 (25:13):
You know, I still don't think we're going to see
him get into this range of you know, the Miles
Garretts and the TJ. Watts of the world and that
you know Max Crosby, that that forty pushing mid.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
Forties annually or whatever it's going to be next. Like
I just I don't think he's up next in that
that kind of category. And maybe maybe his camp feels differently,
and that might be where.
Speaker 7 (25:34):
Some of the some of the hang up is is
that he like the projection and the trajectory that he
is showing suggest that that's the way he's going. But
ultimately I just think that he's a guy that has
an elite.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
Trait like and you saw it in San Francisco.
Speaker 7 (25:48):
We saw we seen Jonathan Cooper just with his relentless
kind of attack and energy in the way that he plays,
you know, really blow up practices, sometimes, blow up reps
all camp long and dance. Joseph said today, like, guys,
this isn't new, this is what he's been doing, this
is this is who he is. But it's still when
when push comes to shove, like there's only one guy
on that defense that has that that get off trade,
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that that you know coming around bending on a dime,
and that's Nick Nenedo.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
And that's why those.
Speaker 7 (26:14):
Guys get paid and because it is rare even if
you have other good pass rushers.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
And I just think that they're going to ultimately come
come to an agreement on something.
Speaker 7 (26:22):
Because you know, you've just done too much good work,
you know, with the extensions you've done six in the
last calendar year of guys who would become core to
what you're doing.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
You know, you saw it with Buffalo this offseason. A
team that knows what it is, those where it's going.
Speaker 7 (26:36):
They get every single one of their you know, guys done,
even though it took a little bit longer with James
Cook got it done. I ultimately think that's the same
path that Broncos are traveling.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
All right, Well, Nick, good night and we appreciate you
as always.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Nick Cosmider of the athletically four Senior.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
Out there tomorrow awesome though, thanks a lot.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
YEP, Broncos Country Tonight comes back with Frank you have
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A couple of good texts coming in.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I want to thank Steve at one of the whole
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to shame Grant into doing more content.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Appreciate you guys.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Texting in seven one nine Albright, you remind me of
Stitch Jones from Heartbreak Ridge. That's Mario van Peebles's character,
crappy singer, great soldier.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
I love it, Oh, I love it. What else we
got here?
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
A couple of people reminded me that Wes Borland was
in them Biscuit. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
As soon as I said Lubiscuit, I was like, I
should have picked a different band because they you know,
two names from that band, so that that one's on me.
What else we got here? Shadoor you got.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Hurt at the they said it was oblique, right, and
someone will call me today as we were discussing it
and they were like, well, do you think this is
an oblique injury? I was like, here's an interesting thing
about injuries when it comes to any player.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Teams only talk about it.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
The Belichick made it the whole thing of on to
Cincinnati type of thing and not trying to give any
creatives to any injuries, and players really don't really talk
about them. And in New England sometimes players over embellish
injuries that really were not in place.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
There has been submit that Jerome Bennis knew he was
getting cut, so he faked the injury so that he
did have to keep him to do the roster mechanics,
and then he was miraculously healed.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I'm here, it's blessing.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
It's the recovery water.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
So I don't know what the real situation is with Shador,
but I'll say this, I really enjoy watching him play
against the Carolina Panthers and known as though you had
two quarter backs that were already injured, can you pick
it in Dylan Gabriel, And it gave him an opportunity
to really go out there and show And as I
was watching the game, I was texting back and forth,
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which is regular fans and people who work at the medium,
and it was like, well, what do you think of
the way that your door is playing as far? I said, well,
if you were against him, you're going to say, well.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
That was just the preseason.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
He didn't really perform well and that's not indicative of
who he can be as a player. If you were
for him, obviously that your viewpoint was different. I try
to look at it with a clear sound in mind,
and I said, well, what am.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I seeing and what I wanted to see?
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Shador dudes get the ball out of his hands quickly
showed that he can move and climb the pocket, and
watch how he adjusts to NFL speed, Like there were
a couple of times in a game where he retreated
like mobile quarterbacks do, losing ground the game ground, and
it looked like a couple of times is gonna get
him in trouble.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Some of those things we saw when he was a
CU quarterback.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
But it was great to see him make those mistakes
but then also find ways to move the ball down
the field and deliver two touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah, I thought to me, it felt like and I
have no dog in the fight. I I it felt
like there was, you know, narratives on both sides of it.
In the truth, like most most things, was somewhere in
the middle. I thought he did what he needed to
do in that game. You know, here was the task asigning.
You came out and did it.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I thought there were some negative plays in there, and
you were.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Talking about it to losing ground again grad he was
gonna get himself in trouble on that play, but then
again to throw the touchdown throw to Kay and Davis
to right on the money, you know, on the move movie.
He left right handed quarterback and was right on the money,
And I was like, okay, all right, get a little
something there. That's you know, I thought, I thought it was.
You definitely put it in the positive column as a
game of course. You know, I don't know if you're
you're suddenly anointing him the starter of anything, but you.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
You putting that you came out, but you were the
fourth quarterback on the rosher, and you came out and
did exactly what you needed to do to keep.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yourself in the conversation.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Yeah, I think if anyone is out there anointing you
should or I don't think that's what you want to do.
If there's anyone out there are who deciding to really
criticize him, that's not what.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
You do either. You take it for what is worth.
He wanted to go.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
You wanted to see that he can show you that
he had some of the skills that's required to play
the quarterback position on this level, in that level being
the NFL level. And he did he make some NFL throws,
Yes he did. And this is where it's a growth
type of situation with him. Remember he's still a young player,
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right and regardless of what you think of him, he's
going to make his mistakes. But you want to see
that he can bounce back, seeing him get outside the pocket,
kind of gesture to the tight end to continue to
move down the field and just have that limon drop
throw with the one hand to catch by the tight end.
These are the type of throws that you deciperately need.
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Now the question is at the oblique injury, this now
gives Dylan Gabriel his opportunity. Now the question is what
does he do with that opportunity? And I'm thinking based
on how should or play. It may put Dylan Gabriel
in a situation where he has to press, and if
he pressed, he's gonna make mistakes. And he makes mistakes,
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that's just gonna make him look bad and is gonna
continue to elevate.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Your door over him.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Yeah, and that's the thing. I think Kenny Pickett is
out already. I mean, you've been too hurt. You haven't
really ever been in there.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Joe Flackle's going to be the presumptive starting quarterback for
the Browns this year until.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Somebody else takes it.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I think Kenny Pickett's the odd man out, and you
wind up going into the season with Dylan Gabriel and
Shodor Sanders fighting it out to be the primary backup
and maybe unseate him if he falters.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
You know, it's funny that you mentioned that, because that's
the kind of the way that I looked at it.
Because everyone was talking before the first preseason game saying
as though that your door could be the odd man out,
and I've looked at the same way that you just
kind of articulated, just kind of looking at a canny
Pickett saying as though, okay, well, your former first round
draft choice.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
What have you shown right now to say that you.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Are able to overtake the elder guy, you know, the
ARP guy and Joe Flacco and you. The Browns know
what Flacco can do, and all they need him to
do is just kind of be a stop gap to
one of those young quarterbacks actually take the step forward,
Like if in this next preseason game, Dylan Gabrews looks
good and has comparable numbers to Shador. Now, Andrew Berry
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is saying, you know what, We're in a great spot
because Cleveland has two first round draft picks next year
and everyone everyone is already predicting that one of those
picks was going to be arch Manet.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
I don't think Art is coming out. I really don't.
I think he's staying in school.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Money in college football is money in college football is
too good, and he comes from money.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
He's one of them to I think they're staying in school.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
Man.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I think I think Leonora Sellers is going to wind
up being a side from the kid from Penn State.
I think those two are going to be the probably
the top two quarter in this comentry.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
If I'm Cleveland, I'm thinking about it this way. If
you're getting decent play from your two young quarterbacks. Like
you said, you allow them to kind of compete for
that job after Flacco. But also, you got two first
round picks, so you can make your team better by
using one of those picks to go get a wide receiver,
use your second first round pick to ask anyone to
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heye you want to move up, swap those picks and
gain more you know, draft capital and make your team better.
So the idea of looking at maybe Archer other quarterbacks,
I don't think Cleveland necessarily has to.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Do that right away right now.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
The season as we go along, it would dictate and
show us if they will have to do that, but
right now don't.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I don't think that that should be a major concern
for them.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah, I think at this point, I mean, and that
coaching staff is on shaky ground, that coaching staff's gotta.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Win some games they don't.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah, so that you know, you could be staring a
news coaching staff in the face with those draft picks
as well, so they're incentivized to make it work with
what they've got rather than the coaching staff rather than
try to wait it out for a year.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
You know that kind of stuff. The coaching STAFS incentive is.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
To make it work.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
So we'll see, you know, we'll see how that goes.
I'm interested to see Dylan Gabriel in a game. I
didn't think very highly of him coming out as an
NFL prospect, but I'm interested to see him in a game.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
See, you know, maybe he'll maybe he'll prove me wrong.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Boy.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
That's a great thing about this game of football, but
more importantly game of life. Proving people wrong, but more
importantly earning your respect. Like I'm like, I'm no, no,
sadamis and I don't think none of us are, and whatever,
let me see a birth certificate, but no, I mean,
I think when you are evaluating players based on what
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you've seen previously from high school to college and the
projection of being a pro player, that maybe sometimes your
projections could be off, and maybe a guy can surprise
and wold you in ways that you didn't think because
now he's challenged. It's funny how competition brings out the
best of you. Because when I found out both Dylan
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Gabriel and Kenny Pickott were nursing hamstring injuries, I said,
one of those quarterbacks are going to heal up real fast.
And that's what I thought watching the game against Carolina
and watching your door play, I said, one of those
guys are gonna heal up because your jobs are.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
On the line. There's no longer do we have four
preseason games.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
After this third preseason game, I think on August twenty six,
a lot of teams, Broncos included, are gonna have until
three to four East Coast time to finalize their ross.
So your window is closing really fast. And this is
why a lot of those players who are not going
to see a lot of playing time maybe in this
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second preseason game, they need to really show up tomorrow
against Arizona. That is your game, right one on one
special teams seven or seven reds on whatever special cat
it is. You need to make sure that you show
up and making plays because if you don't make the
Broncos roster, you want to make sure you stand out
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to Arizona.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
So they say, well, you know what, hey, when we
were practical.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
With the Wen said we got an injury over here,
we might need to you know, we might need to
go see if we get picked this guy up.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Adam to our.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Staff, yes exactly, So hopefully you get that level of
urgency from some of the young players and some of
the guys who are on the bubble that they take
that in mind. Tomorrow, yes, right now, currently the Broncos
are the team that of the jersey that you're wearing
paying your check.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
But tomorrow you got you gotta think big picture. Yeah, yeah,
I think big picture.
Speaker 6 (10:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
And that's and that's that's the thing. I think a
lot of these.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Guys that we're going to see you over the next
couple of days really have to do like they really
got to come out there and make that impression either
either from their own coaches to not cut me and
you got to keep me around, or to the opposing
team and say, hey, look you got to come get
me one of the two. And that is a big
part of preseason. You know, every year it seems like
I say the same thing, right, you know, I've got
a bunch of these cliches, you guys, hear them all
get tired. But in the preseason everything matters except the
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final score in the in the regular season, nothing matters.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
On which coach you talk to about the score doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Well, right, there are something that are competitive and trying
to win preseason games. That's John Harbaugh.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
But but you know what I mean though, like every
because preseason doesn't matter like bro, not to them people
that are out there, people out there, Every stap matters
because that's an opportunity to showcases that you get to
continue your dreams.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
So you know, we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
We get Nick cos Miner from the Athletic coming up
next to Broncos Country to night, Zach Seeger's back there,
super producing five six six nine zero is the text line.
We're gonna go right into the ka cost growth hot
line and bring on the other Nick, Nick Cosmier or
the Athletic.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Nick. How's are going?
Speaker 6 (11:41):
I'm doing great? How are you guys?
Speaker 1 (11:43):
I'm doing all right?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Too many Nicks on the show Man, we get the
We got Nick Ferguson over to get Cosminers. You guys
are just conspiring against me, and we need more bens
around here. We don't have enough bens in this market.
We're gonna we don't have to figure.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
That out yet that we already have one bin and
has one mentally fair enough.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
So is my segment at night is that it is?
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Ronchell's joint practice of the Arizona Cardinals coming up tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Cardinals, the team I think are quite good.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I maybe standing alone on that island, but I think
the Cardinals have a chance of winning that division. Dick
disagrees with me a little bit on that, but regardless,
they've spent a lot on their defense over the course
of this offseason, adding Kalaias Campbell, Dalvin Tomlinson, a team
Davis Gaith or Josh Sweat, drafting Will Johnson.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
You know, I think most people.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Know they've got Baron Browning and Buddha Baker and some
other other talented players on that roster. How good do
you think it's gonna be for the Broncos to square
up against a team that looks to be pretty good
on defense.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
Yeah, I think that's that's another great test, you know.
Sean Payton said it.
Speaker 7 (12:44):
The other day, was like anytime you get, you know
a little bit of a different front than what you've
been dealing with on a daily basis, and even different
from what they dealt with they're in Santa Clair against
the forty nine ers, that it can only benefit you, right, Like,
that's that's.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
How you sharpen it. You know, it's it's interesting.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
You know, to Sean Payton say, to hear him say
that this is the first time in his career.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
That they've ever had this, like back to back joint practices.
So I don't know if I don't know if we'll
do it again.
Speaker 7 (13:11):
You know, still hot maybe about some of the stuff
that went down in California, but I do.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
Think it's good.
Speaker 7 (13:17):
I think that this, you know, again, it's we're in
that age where only three preseason games. Eventually probably that's
only going to get down to two. So these are
kind of the opportunities that you really do have to
use to sharpen what it is that you're doing, to
to kind of get some live reps that helped.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
You, you know, help you, and you know, you can't
take these things for granted. The Chargers just had to
cancel their joint.
Speaker 7 (13:35):
Practice against the Rams because of what they're that they're
dealing with injury wise and all that kind of thing.
You know, the fort nine Ers had to do the
same thing last year, so I think they're eager.
Speaker 6 (13:45):
For, you know, just to try to fix some.
Speaker 7 (13:47):
Of the things that that maybe didn't go fully to plan.
You know, they're in California, whether it was be you know,
more opportunities for for R. J. Harvey to learn a
little bit about, you know, where to hit the hole,
and for Bo Nicks to kind of have a mulligan,
if you will, from some of the stuff that went
on in his three drives. I think they're all looking
forward to having that opportunity.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
I think when we look at this Broncos team, obviously
there's a lot to discuss, especially on the defense side
of the ball, and with the Broncos drafting Jaday Baron,
everyone was thinking that life was over for Jaquan McMillan,
but he continues to just kind of show up. You
look at the game against his forty nine ers. Obviously
they ran slot Fay, big catch. People criticized him for that,
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but he comes right right back playing the corner position
not Nickel and gets the interception. And he continues to
do that and show those types of things you know
in practice. So from your perspective, you know, looking at
Jakuan McMillan, how do you see him truly fitting in
this defense based on what he continues to.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Do and showing up.
Speaker 7 (14:50):
I think you hit it on the head, Nick, like
it's the versatility piece right that they can, that they
can flex him.
Speaker 6 (14:55):
Outside if they need to. I mean the thing about
it too is like I think they're.
Speaker 7 (15:00):
Going to spend because of a way that like John
Ay Barron and McMillan can tackle. You know, you heard
Court say on the k Adams Show yesterdays, like we
get out here and ota they got these guys in
the field we don't even know who are like supposed
to mic, we only got one linebacker out here, and
yet we're still kind of like running run plays.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
Like I think they're going to be able to do
more of that where you're going to see You're going
to see him in.
Speaker 7 (15:22):
Dime coverage more often with six TV's on the field.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
Because you just want to play to who you're more to,
you know, where your talent really lies. And for them
right now, what they have in the secondary and what
they have up front, like those are the two.
Speaker 7 (15:33):
Things you want to combine in as much as possible.
And so I just think that they're both going to
be on the field a fair amount this year.
Speaker 6 (15:41):
And really it's like will.
Speaker 7 (15:43):
McMillan see if like less snaps than the nickel, like
probably you know, or maybe he starts and they bring
Baron along in different ways. I just think that gives
them a lot of different options.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
And ultimately, you know, Sean Payton said this the other
day too, was like you really.
Speaker 7 (15:58):
Do truly need and this is something George Peyton's priest
before as well.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
Of like you need six or seven guys that can
really cover because at some point.
Speaker 7 (16:05):
Or another, based on either injuries or just based on
the personnel that you're playing in a given week, you're
going to need that.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
And so I think it's been great for the Broncos.
Speaker 7 (16:13):
And see the fact that McMillan, to your point, Nick,
like he just doesn't get phased, like to see him
respond to giving up that fifty yard play, which by
the way, like you know, could he have been a
little bit.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
Better coverage, yes, but you know came back.
Speaker 7 (16:27):
And played the way that you want to see from him.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Telling Nick Cosmider of the Athletic, I think one of
the more interesting battles that has sort of emerged here
is that third running back maybe fourth running back spot
if they do keep four, as we know JK.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Dobbins and R. J. Harvey's running back one and two.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
And I think you would have probably said Julia McLoughlin's
running back three, except Ton of today has certainly made
a run at that spot.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Estimate brings a.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Different skill set, and Blake Watson is still there as well.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
There is sort of a I feel like a battle
between McLoughlin and today for that third running back spot.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
What say you, yeah, I think that that is true.
Speaker 7 (17:01):
I definitely think those two and I'm really honest like myself,
and again I haven't been able to talk to you know,
like you know Louiyny or you know recently about just what.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
You know, the kind of a full evail.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
But for me, like Blake Watson, you come in the
game mill a third quarter and you you had an
eighteen yard play and a sixteen yard play, also had
another double digit run that was that was called back
like you know.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
That that was similar to what McLoughlin did a.
Speaker 7 (17:26):
Couple of years ago, where he waited till late in
the game to get his opportunity and then.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
Just jumped all over it. Watson's looks pretty good, of course, unfortunate,
I think too. It was part of two fumbled you know.
Speaker 7 (17:35):
Opportunities there practice today, which when you're in a battle
like that, you never want to have that happen. But
I think that I agree with you, Ben, Like I
thought going into camp, like McLoughlin, JEEA. McLoughlin was sort
of a lock type of guy, like he's going to
be your you know you're running back, you change the
pace guy. I still think he's ultimately going to be that.
(17:55):
But but it's not like this set and.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Stone thing to me anymore. And then and the other question,
of course, is yeah, is it for Like that's not
typically what they've done. But I just don't think.
Speaker 7 (18:05):
They're ready to kind of give up on audric estimate
just yet. And he does bring a little bit of
a of a different element in terms of just the
straight downhill power.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
So it wouldn't surprise me if they do keep four.
But you're right, I don't think it's a given that
it's Jelil. You also have the how well Tyler has
played there to your point, like he.
Speaker 7 (18:26):
Deserves more looks, you know, both in the joint practice
and in the preseason game.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
It's going to be huge for that room.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Last year, you know, you look at both Nick's rushing
numbers and he was the third leading rusher on this
team with.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Four hundred and thirty.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
When you look at what he supplied last year and
he's going into his second year, would you say that
the Broncos success would that really depend on him being
able to duplicate those same numbers? And as far as
the rushing quarterback opposed to you know, passing, And the
reason I say let me let me preface this by
(19:04):
saying this, And the reason I say that because looking
at how the game, the evolution of the game, and
how we have more running quarterbacks. So do you think
that bo should I guess, expand on those numbers or
should we look to see less rushing from both?
Speaker 6 (19:21):
No, it's a great question.
Speaker 7 (19:22):
Something I thought a lot about during camp. I actually
wrote about this a little bit this week. Was when
you looked to his rushing numbers last year, ninety two
rush attempts. It was the most rush attempts by a
Broncos quarterback since Tim Tebow in twenty eleven.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
But a lot of a lot of.
Speaker 7 (19:36):
Tibo's rushing that year, as you guys remember, was was
design run right, like you.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
Know, power quarterback run.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
Only twenty six percent of his runs were scrambles, whereas
last year fifty percent.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
Roughly fitting I'm sorry a little bit more than that.
Speaker 7 (19:50):
Fifty out of ninety two rushes, so about sixty percent
of Bo's rushes were scrambles, right, And it was a
dynamic element to his game, But I think a lot
of it was early.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
It was sort of like last resort.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
So what I think the Broncos would like to see
is not necessarily like worrying about, you know, the overall.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
Attempts, but I think they would like to see more
some of the scrambles that he had last year. Instead
be extend.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
This play horizontally along the line of scrimmage. Now you're
in concert with receivers who are better understanding of the
way that they should mirror your scrambles and get open
and kind of that chemistry having been built and ultimately
seeing that turn into some bigger catch and run plays
down the field.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
I think that is one area where.
Speaker 7 (20:37):
Use your legs to an advantage, where you're stressing the defense,
you know, horizontally before you turn all the way up,
he's going to scramble, he's going to run. It's it's
a dynamic element that he can add to this defense.
But again, this is a guy who dealt with the
back injury last year.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
They had the ankle thing.
Speaker 7 (20:53):
You don't want him taking a lot of shots. You
don't want him banged up. And one way to do
that is by reducing the amount of times that he
is eligible to be hit past the line of scrimmage.
And so again, I just think.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
It's Sean Payton said, the audit comes in, you know.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
How these players are getting finished, and I just think
that they're gonna want a little bit more of Hey,
can we turn some of these opportunities into just stand
along the line of scrimmage a little bit longer and
hitting some shots down the field.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yeah, I mean to that point, I think the absolute
last thing you wants a repeat of last year where
BOONICKX led the Broncos in rushing first downs first downs
acquired by a rush by a large margin. He had
forty one first downs running the football. Javonty Williams had
thirty for the whole season.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
You know that was he.
Speaker 7 (21:38):
I was just gonna say he led them in rushing
six out of eighteen games. Put in the playoffs, like
Josh Allen didn't do that, Lamar Jackson didn't do that. Like,
you don't want your quarterback leading you in rushing thirty
three percent of the time.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
And that again, I mean all this also appairs to
what they need to.
Speaker 7 (21:52):
Do to improve as a running a running attack, because
if your traditional running game is a lot more powerful, well,
now the stuff that you do with Nick, it's more
of a change of pace, it's more like pulling the defense.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
Off of that. And so yeah, I think if it's
a great point. I think if he's running.
Speaker 7 (22:07):
That much, again, it's you know, you just don't you
don't want to see that.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
You don't want your quarterback, especially.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
One that's not like again, Bo is very athletic, but
what we're not talking about prime Michael Vick here, Like
that's not who he is.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
And so yeah, I think ultimately we're going to see
that number come.
Speaker 7 (22:22):
Come down a little bit, but maybe be more effective
just you know, when when it when it is pulled out.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah, has there anyboybody has had a bigger jump yere
one of year two than than Troy Franklin. I mean,
Troy Franklin looked abysmal in camp last year. He had
a forgettable season. And I'm not saying he's like the
world on fire right now, but he's certainly a lot
better than he was last year.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
Yeah, and it's just the consistency, I think. I think
that's that's the thing. It's it's a like a his
top days to.
Speaker 7 (22:49):
Your point are way better than anything that he had.
But like you're there's just not a lot of these
days that we're up there, as you guys know, where
you don't see him show up. Like there's just not
these days where where you're not seeing Troy.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
Franklin be in the mix.
Speaker 7 (23:03):
And it's it's really cool to see from the perspective
of a guy who just like it's clear he had
like a light bulb moment, like and.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
Whether that was the confidence of you know, scoring in Buffalo.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
I don't tend to put too much on that as
much as it might like feel like a you know,
a good narrative to say he caught the.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
Touchdown and all of a sudden everything was like better.
Speaker 7 (23:21):
I just think that, however, he went about kind of
you know, working through the offense, you know, study wise
this offseason and just.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
Being able to slow it all down. You know the
fact that he's said he had this camp and then
goes out.
Speaker 7 (23:35):
In that joint practice and you know right away impactful
has the first catch of the game and the preseason.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
Like, I just think that's.
Speaker 7 (23:42):
The thing if I the Broncos that I really like
is that it's not it's just been consistent.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
It's been every single day. And that's when you that's
when you start to.
Speaker 7 (23:49):
Kind of see the growth in anything in life. Right,
you keep showing up and having that consistent thing, all
of a sudden, you know, now you're getting these watershed
moments where you're the improvement is coming in leaps.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Now. I can't to let you get out of here
about without talking about the the Broncos defense. And the
one guy who really stood out in his time on
the field was Nick Bonito, and you could tell, you know,
obviously he's really kind of worked himself into a high
level of confidence because the ability for him to get
(24:20):
off the ball as quickly as he did it.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
And I TOOLDI in this early, but Steve Auer was
on with this.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
I said, I don't know if there was something that
Nick's study that the forty nine ers were doing, but.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Whatever it was, it was working.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
He was able to jump the snap count and he
was in the backfield like he was the running back.
If we continue to see this type of performance, not
just through preseason, but at the beginning of the season.
How much pressure will that put on the Denver Broncos
to get a deal done and get it done right away?
Speaker 6 (24:53):
Yeah, I mean it is. It's certainly that line.
Speaker 7 (24:56):
That you walk because if he comes out in the
first couple of weeks of the season, has performances like
he did in just one drive against the.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
Forty nine ers, like you know, it's only going to
go up.
Speaker 7 (25:06):
Now you can say, like, look, you know his age,
you know how much you know, how much can it
really fly?
Speaker 6 (25:13):
Like he's not.
Speaker 7 (25:13):
You know, I still don't think we're going to see
him get into this range of you know, the Miles
Garretts and the TJ. Watts of the world and that
you know Max Crosby, that that forty pushing mid.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
Forties annually or whatever it's going to be next. Like
I just I don't think he's up next in that
that kind of category. And maybe maybe his camp feels differently,
and that might be where.
Speaker 7 (25:34):
Some of the some of the hang up is is
that he like the projection and the trajectory that he
is showing suggest that that's the way he's going. But
ultimately I just think that he's a guy that has
an elite.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
Trait like and you saw it in San Francisco.
Speaker 7 (25:48):
We saw we seen Jonathan Cooper just with his relentless
kind of attack and energy in the way that he plays,
you know, really blow up practices, sometimes, blow up reps
all camp long and dance. Joseph said today, like, guys,
this isn't new, this is what he's been doing, this
is this is who he is. But it's still when
when push comes to shove, like there's only one guy
on that defense that has that that get off trade,
(26:10):
that that you know coming around bending on a dime,
and that's Nick Nenedo.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
And that's why those.
Speaker 7 (26:14):
Guys get paid and because it is rare even if
you have other good pass rushers.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
And I just think that they're going to ultimately come
come to an agreement on something.
Speaker 7 (26:22):
Because you know, you've just done too much good work,
you know, with the extensions you've done six in the
last calendar year of guys who would become core to
what you're doing.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
You know, you saw it with Buffalo this offseason. A
team that knows what it is, those where it's going.
Speaker 7 (26:36):
They get every single one of their you know, guys done,
even though it took a little bit longer with James
Cook got it done. I ultimately think that's the same
path that Broncos are traveling.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
All right, Well, Nick, good night and we appreciate you
as always.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Nick Cosmider of the athletically four Senior.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
Out there tomorrow awesome though, thanks a lot.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
YEP, Broncos Country Tonight comes back with Frank you have
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