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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (01:02):
We have ye, we have somebody that's observing the show
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Speaker 2 (01:19):
Good to hear from you again, my friend. I haven't
seen you since we had coffee.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Yeah, it's been a minute. It's been a minute. I
hope you guys are doing well. Been enjoying the show
so far tonight.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yeah, it's uh, you know, Broncos Country has been enjoying
the preseason thus far.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Bow Nix looks like something that's going to be something.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I know you have been very bullish on bow You
uh compared him maybe not not uh stride for stride,
but compared him favorably to Drew Brees at times. And
you know, I think that BA is Sean Payton's muse.
I mean we saw Sean kind of get his bag
on that second drive. He started running things that we
always like, well wait a minute, we haven't seen that before.
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They look catered to bow Nick's that everything indicating that
this is going to be his starting quarterback, whether that's
Week one, whether that's week whatever. But what did you
get out of that first preseason game.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Well, my general rule then when watching preseason football, and
I'm sure not everybody's going to agree with me on this,
but when I'm watching quarterbacks who are either established an
elite or they're projected to eventually play at a high level,
when I see them play well as Bo did, it's
certainly a bonus. When I see them struggle, especially if
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they'rey young, I don't hold it against them too much
because training camp in preseason is one we're supposed to
be fron pits when we're supposed to be making mistakes.
So when you see a quarterback like Bo play as
sharp as he did in Indianapolis, it's a bonus. On
the flip side of that, quarterbacks who are either backups
or not anybody who's projected to be a starter, when
they play well in the way that Dack Wilson did,
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I don't read too much into that. You're looking at
a lot of vanilla looks them all. It's always better
to play well than the struggle. I don't read too
much into it and a backups are struggling, and that's
more of a cause for concerns. So I don't think
we're at the point where we need the crown bonix.
I'm in full agreement with you. He's going to be
the eventual long time starter. Whether that happens six days
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from now, whether it happens week one, week four, remains
to be seen. But that's really all that camp and
training camp is about here is facilitating that process, seeing
him grow within the system. So you couldn't ask for
a much better start than what we saw versus Indianapolis.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Well coming this game, I mean there's always overreactions and
people look at things and look at stories as far
as a guy in that perform on well and said,
well he needs.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
To step it up. How do you look at it
when it comes.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
To interceptions that are thrown in practice opposed to interceptions
are thrown in games. Is this something that the fan
base should be somewhat I guess concerned with if it happens.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
I don't think so. I mean, Peyton Manning for your
twenty eight interceptions as a rookie in nineteen ninety eight,
and by year two he was arguably the best quarterback
in football. At worst, he was the second best quarterback
in football. So I look at training camp and the
preseason as an extension of camp as the opportunity to
learn what you can do. You want to sharpen those strings, right,
but it's also an opportunity to test your limits so
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that you learn what not to do. So when I
see quarterbacks picked off in camp, I don't overreact to that.
And when I see quarterbacks are picks in the preseason,
which all three of our quarterbacks should have been zero interceptions.
The one that Jared Stidham threw was very much a
Trevor Lawrence twenty twenty three kind of interception where it's
bobbled off the guy's hands. Should have been a completion.
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So it's a very clean football game. I'm not concerned
about seeing those mistakes in camp are in the preseason.
So far. As for what we've seen in preseason action,
it's been pretty sharp from all three.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Talker Ryan Michael ed the Ryan Michael on Twitter already
of opinion if you looked at it. I retweeted several
different film breakdowns of vot Knicks preseason one from Pro
Football Focus, one Tim Jenkins, one from jto Suli, one
from Chase Dan. I don't have you a chance to
see any of the four, and what were your thoughts
on them.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
I've seen two of the four and Tim and I
know he's been on KOA and he's a friend of
the network and he's one of my personal favorites. I
had to pick my top three, I would say Tim Jenkins.
You can follow him Tim Jenkins Elite or Team Jenkins
Elite on Twitter or All Things to Be on YouTube.
JT O. Sullivan at the QB School and Kurt Warner's
study Ball at QB Confidential. I mean, all of them
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are tremendous and I got to see certainly TENNS breakdown
of Bo's debut, and my takeaway from that is him
and I have a lot of the same observations. You know,
what we would like to see for going to take
because that's part of what we do is you need
to settle into the pocket, don't overlook your open receivers,
don't run towards the pressure, and that's going to require
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some patients in the pocket. Even though they were plays
like his first completion to sudden where yeah, he's making
something happen out of structure, but perhaps overlooking something that
might have been a little bit more open or easy
along way. So anybody, whether you're a young quarterback looking
to sharpen your craft or you're just an NFL fan
looking to understand more of the nuance and what goes
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into the quarterback position, definitely recommend giving Kimsey Cubans the
page to follow.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
For sure, If Jared Stidham is the Week one started
up in Seattle, does that say more about Stidham or
more about bow Nicks and not being prepared to take
over the road right in Week one?
Speaker 4 (06:42):
I would say neither, because in the case of Sidham,
he has a full season under his belt, which is
a tremendous advantage when you're looking at the kind of
system that Sean runs. So if for any reason, Jared
Stidhen is the Week one starter, I don't read much
into that at all because give in the probability that
we're not likely. As much as I would love for
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us to be a Super Bowl contender this season, I
think a big part of the identity of this season
is getting bo acclimated to Shawn's system and not, as
Ben has said, we're not going to throw him in
there for the sake of throwing him in there. Anybody
can do that. We've seen a lot of potentially good
quarterbacks Tim Couch, David Carr, Josh Rosen just off the
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top of my head, who have the potential I feel
to be really good quarterbacks, but maybe never got a
realistic shot at doing so. Perhaps they were thrown into earlier,
they were in a situation that wasn't ideal. So for
any reason, Sean feels that Jarrett is a little bit
more prepared to take over the rains week one. It's
just a placeholder position. So for me, it doesn't matter
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at all whether Bo is the starter week one, week four,
even towards the end of the season. It's all about
getting him acclimated to the system.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
A lot of conversation about Zach Wilson lately and whether
or not Zach can be the QB two, Whether at
the Broncos carry three quarterbacks this year, Sean Dayton the
only head coach in the modern area I think that
carried four that I remember. Any chance that Zach Wilson
even starts for the Broncos or ends up as the
backup quarterback.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Realistically, I don't see that happening. Zach Wilson. I put
in a similar bracket to Justin Fields, where he has
the greatest raw physical talent of any quarterback in our room.
I don't think anybody would argue that point, but I
believe that one of the primary responsibilities of a QB
two is understanding the system with great depth and to
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have the preparation so that if you're called into the
line of duty, you can execute that system. We just
moved on from the best version, or at least one
of the best versions, perhaps not his prime, of seeing
a quarterback who can play sandlot football and lean into
those great physical skills in Russell Wilson. The difference between
a Russell Wilson, a Patrick Mahomes versus say, a Zach
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Wilson or as Fields is that Russell has elite processing
speed and pass accuracy, where the pass accuracy for Zach
and for quarterbacks like Justin Field is all over the place.
So even if we give them credit as they deserve
for their dual thread capabilities, they're just not the kind
of quarterbacks who are tailored to step into that QB
two position because we're not going to keep somebody on
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the bench who's just going to play backyard sandlot football
without the ability to process information quicker or pass with
greater accuracy. So I think he's the kind of guy
that if you want to take a gamble as a
QB two, perhaps for a loster outside of Denver that
doesn't have as much death as the position. Sure, he
was the number two overall pick for a reason, but
I don't see him being QB two and Denver whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
All Right, Ryan, I'm gonna put you on the spot
with the question that some may feel is ridiculous, but
I don't believe that it is.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
When it comes to boone, Nakes and all.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
The Broncos of the two quarterbacks and Zach Wilson. You're
putting more from an evaluation standpoint on what you see
in the joint practices or the preseason games himself.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Well, you get a lot more reps in practice, and
the joint practices are a unique opportunity to hone your
skills against an other teams, So I say they're both important.
The reality of the preseason, even with bo getting the
starting nod against Green Bay, is it's going to be
a limited number of reps so I think they're both
important as far as which one is more important than
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the other. I would actually lean a little bit more
towards what's happening in camp. Not that I put much
value into camp statistics, but I do put a lot
of value into those reps that you would know as
well as anyone how important it is as a young
player to sharpen your skills against some of the most
talented athletes in the world. So I think in that
camp setting is really going to be where bo cuts
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his teeth and sharpens the skill set he's already developing.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I think that for me, we talked a little bit
about intersects. I want to see a few interceptions here
in this joint practice. I wanted to see, you know,
how Bonix reacts to adversity, how he bounces back from it.
We sort of saw that a little bit in the
preseason game where he threw his first pass probably should
have been intercepted, and that first drive was a little shaky,
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But then that second drive he came out, you know,
and was just absolutely carving him up.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Is there is that your.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Sense of how that went and would you like to
see a little bit more of that in practice. I mean,
it's weird to sit here at beg for your quarterback
to throw interceptions at this point, but I kind of
want to see it at this point just because I
want to see what comes after.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
I'm right on board with you, because, as I said earlier,
this is your opportunity to test your limits and to
learn what you can sharpen as far as what you
do well versus what you can't do. And you look
historically at quarterbacks like Manning through twenty eight interceptions his
rookie year, Drew Brees through a number of picks early
in his career before he crafted his skill set. This
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is an opportunity to develop those skills. So if rowers
throwing interceptions and for practice, the idea isn't to throw
to the other guy. The idea is to be able
to test your limits. So if you're playing too conservative
in camp, or you're playing too conservatively in the preseason,
if you want to have pretty box score numbers, that
doesn't mean anything at all tomate. You need to be
as battle tested as you can be for a young
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quarterbacks being groomed for the starting role, so well, throw
as many picks as you need to throw, just get
out there and test your limits.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Ben and I had this conversation yesterday, and I definitely
want your input because there, for one reason or another,
there are teams that are out there in the NFL's thirty.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Two of them.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Some teams are experiencing injuries, some are noticing that, hey, listen,
they don't have.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Valuable depth at the quarterback position. And the question was, if.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
The Broncos were called and they had to part ways
with one of the two backup quarterbacks and Jerystidam and
Zach Wilson, who do you think that the Broncos will
be better of parting ways with and keeping based on
the foundation of having you, having deb and also being
able to have a solid person at that backup quarterback position.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
You let that go, And I'm almost answering too fast.
They knew the answer to my question in the moment
you started to barge. You let that go, and you
can't Sidham because Sidham's knowledge of the system, his ability
to be able to run it and really live up
to that QB two position of somebody who can come
in and execute it. If you should look at the
way he did so in the final two games of
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the regular season last year. To quote the late great
Dennis Green, he is who we thought he is, and
so that's what Jared has been doing his entire career.
And even though there's going to be some friendly and
realistic competition between the two, I believe that Bo has
the ability to learn a lot more from Sidham than
he does from Zach Wilson.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Well, Rian, we always appreciate it. I always enjoy having
you on.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
How did you enjoy your day out of camp here?
Speaker 5 (14:01):
That was wonderful.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
I mean to get to see the last practice before
preseason action. I mean, our guys looked sharp and I
think that was reiterated in live game time action. So
it was a great time to be there and looking
forward to what's to come.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yes, us as well, look forward to talk to you
again next week.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
He's Ryan Michael. Let the Ryan Michael on Twitter. We
appreciate you, Ryan, Jo Good guys.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Have a great night.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
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prime situation. The saltiness with reporters may not have been
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Duke's the Scoop.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Philip, How you doing this evening, man?
Speaker 5 (15:27):
I'm great man. How you doing it?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Doing well?
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Brother?
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Doing well?
Speaker 1 (15:31):
We know the coach Brime situation is fascinating on multiple
levels to a lot of people, and I think recently.
Certainly video of him had got out there being fairly
surly with some local reporters, some of whom we know,
some of whom we know very well. But there are
there's more to it than some of the things that
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you saw online.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
And my first question.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Before we get into that is how is we know
how this is viewed in the Colorado region with the CU,
but how is this viewed on sort of a national level.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
I think it's one of those things. It's a polarizing
type deal.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
The same way that Colorado is when everything else is
either you love it or you hate it. You got
guys who feel like Dion is being sort of a bully,
and then you got guys who feel like Dianne was
standing up for himself. So I think it's based on
your perception more than anything, or on a national level,
I think it's super polarizing.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
So when you look at journalism as it is, because
you find yourself in this business, do you think that
a lot of individuals are missing the mark when it
comes to journalistic integrity?
Speaker 6 (16:44):
I think though, And it's really fun and I'm glad
you asked me that. So a couple of weeks ago,
I was at the NABJ National Association with Black Journalists
and I'm doing a meeting and I'm doing a meeting
with a producer and they tell me don't turn around.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
Steven A. Smith is behind you, and I'm churving.
Speaker 6 (17:02):
I'm like, man, you know this dude got security guards
and everything, but killing right, right. And so I told
they was like, I mean, the producer was like, hey,
look dude, so he probably is the guy you want
to talk to.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
So when I did get a sense and talk to him, man,
and he took his time.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
And we talked for maybe about six seven minutes, and
he said, you cannot afford to lose your journalistic integrity
because you have great relationships, because you're somebody that's going
to have to really tread lightly when it comes to
that and understand what you're doing because you have a responsibility.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
As a journalist. And I be dog gone if not.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
Today I get a call from the Steven AH Smith
Show and they say, hey, we're running your d article tonight.
And in that article, he literally from what I said
about the situation, He told it all. Didn't I ain't
even watch it all because I don't want to be responsible,
like I talked to Coach Prime earlier. I'm like, hey, coach, hey,
I kept it close to the vent and he just
laughed and say, hey, I.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Know you did, brother. But I'm saying this, there is
a very very thin.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
Line to toe when it comes to relationships because when
it comes to journalistic integrity, because the last thing you
want to do is to put people in a like.
What we don't understand is that people are human.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
It doesn't matter what position you're.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
In, They're still human. And if somebody feels attacked, they
react defensively. And that's so, and as a journalist you
have to be careful about making people react defensively. So
when it comes to even the past situation that we're
talking about, there is a way to go about things.
And for example, I had those farm in the interview.
I deal with him about a month ago at Big
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twelve Media Days. I asked him about high school recruiting
and he answered the question and he did it in
a way that only he could. When he called me
a couple of days later, he said, dude, you do
all want to tow you up. I gave you a
past that you knew and he said, hey, man, you
know of people don't have that. And I said, you
know what, coach, I got it. But at the same time,
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you know, I got a job.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
To do and he respected it. And I think that's
the line.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
That's the line you have to So it's we talked
about everything else. We talked about the shoes, we talked
about Shiloh, we talked about the door, we talked about Traviss.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
But there you have to really pitch your spine.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
And I pray on it just just to be honest
about it. Like I'm like, all right, what should I say?
And I think that really helps me as far as
gooding relationships.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
I'm talking with Philip Dukes from on three at Dukes
the scoop on Twitter. Will walk us through this because
I think everybody saw the video of how he reacted,
and not everybody may have seen what you put out there.
So walk us through this a little bit and and
help us get some context to the situation.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Well, basically, I just.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
Kind of I kind of think it from a different
approach because what I saw was the narrative being painted
that Di was a coach and the soch problem was
upset about a CBA rioter making a ranking of dig
twelve coaches where he was second to last in the conference, and.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
I knew that wasn't it, and I had to I was.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
Privy to some information about one of the reasons why
I coach Frank may have been upset, and as we
talk about journalistic integrity, I said, well, I know some
of this, and maybe I should send it first.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
And I said, now you know what I'm doing. I
didn't send that video to anybody. I put it.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
Out and I said, I'll deal with what comes from it,
and I'll do the best job I can of doing
my job and still maintaining a personal relationships.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
And basically what it.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
Was the video was just basically saying, hey, look, the
last thing he's worried about is a guy making a
football fact based opinion ranking on where he sees Deon
Sanders probably the most celebrated defensive player of all time
depending on who you ask, a million people have said
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where they ranked him. That doesn't bother him. What bothers
him is when somebody consistently says things about him that
don't have anything to do with football. And I think
that's part of the reason he responded to the other
writer the way that he did. And I just kind
of call both of those things out in the video,
and I also share some light on the situation that
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I knew that was happening between him and CBS Sports
where they had a joint project, a joint venture that
didn't he I did his part, the CBS didn't do
their part, and they had a really good working relationship
that stans over a couple of decades. So with that
being said, it was kind of like, you know, that
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wasn't a reason, but I wanted to be sure that
I just let people know it wasn't the ranking.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
And Steven A.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
Smith just came today. He literally just came about an
hour ago and Batty clean up and explained the whole situation.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
So some of this because I have friends on both
East West Coast and they are all in on what's
going on and see you even though they don't live here.
But there is kind of a consensus that well with
Coach Prime and well off me and all the publication
that they're doing to showcase the players and coaches and
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what they're doing in Boulder, that there is this underlying
current of I guess the stain and negativity beings erected
at coach Prime. Do you think that he and the
program are being unfairly judged?
Speaker 6 (22:28):
I tell people, yeah, I don't think everybody is unfairly
judging them. I think but when you do, like anybody
that has any type of swagger, anybody that has any
type of bravado, if you got a bought when you walk,
there are gonna be people who don't have that bought
that look at you in a certain way. Because people
usually fear what they don't understand. And when people fear things,
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a lot of times they say I don't like this.
So think about going to six Flags or anywhere with
roller coasters. If a guy says if a guy is
scare of the heights, he's going to say, what, I
don't like roller coaster. And it's the same thing. If
you don't, if you have a fear or you don't
understand something, then it's gonna put you in a light
where you're gonna pay things negatively. And I think that's
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part of the reason why some people react the way
they do. But when you look at Colorado's fan base,
they're damn near rabbit. I mean they are, like you
can't think anything about Coach Brown without them going On,
it's even exchange. Like I think it's a very even exchange.
You got guys who can't stand Colorado, and you got
people that love Colorado, and then you have and let
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me let me rephrase that, you got people that love
Coach Prom and you got people that hate Coach Prom.
And then you've got people who literally love the Colorado
Buffalo's regardless of who's in the captains chair, who've been
there for years, all the way back to Cordell's do
it in Westbrooks. So I think when you kind of
segment the fan chip.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
And the haters all together, that.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
You find out are these Nebraska fans because a lot
of people don't know on a national level how serious
the robbery is between Colorado and the Brass So when
you see in the Bratha.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Fan from if you're in Atlanta, Georgia.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
Where Deon Sanders basically raised my generation as a football
player and a culture or influencer, we don't understand that
people from the Bratha aren't going to like Dion because
he's the coach of Colorado. They think it's just because
of Dion, And I think when people starting to dive
into the reasons why there's a lot of understanding there,
and I think that's a big part of.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
The issue, that.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
Of when it comes to people not liking Colorado or
or how polarized Colorado is.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Talking with Philip Dukes.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
From on three at Dukes the Scoop, I was the
pointing out to Nick earlier, It's not like Prime is
doing something that no one has ever done before.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I mean, this is how Pete Carroll built USC.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
But Pete Carroll didn't get the same pushback that Deon
Sanders is getting. Is that because of Dion's sort of
in your face bravado. Is that is that because he's
using the transfer portal instead of traditional high school recruiting.
Is it a combination to people, as you pointed out,
fearing what they simply don't understand.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Why is they're this difference in the.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Way Pete Carroll was treated when he built up USC
by bringing rappers and DJs and all that kind of
stuff in during practices and Will Ferrell on the sidelines
and what Coach Prime is doing now with Wheezy and Wu.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Tang and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
I think just basically because.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
Coach Prime does it in a way that only he
can do it, so you can go like Derrick Glansville
for the Falcons had rappers on the sideline like they're
a president for it. But there's never been a guy
like Deon Sanders who has the track record that he does.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
Who's been who's always had the.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
Bragado so, who's always brought the show and who's always
brought the pazzas. There are twenty thirty year Deon Sanders
haters that are coming along, and not just white people.
And excuse my language, I'm not trying to be I'm
not trying to be Intendia or anything. But think about
the people who are mad, Think about the African Americans
who are upset that Deion Sanders left Jackson State. Like
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there's a huge amount of people who don't agree with
how Deon Sanders uses his life. And I think that's
the and I think that's what it is more than anything,
because Pete Carroll is one of the coolest guys ever.
I got a chance to meet Marshawn Wentz and to
hear Marshaon Lynch talk about Pete Carroll outside of football,
it will sound like he's his uncle or his dad
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or something.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
So I think that the underlying issue is it's not.
What Deanna is doing is how he does it well.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
My former Broncos teammate Shannon Sharp and Coach Prime's Baltimore
Ravens teammate, Shannon Sharp had some very interesting things to
say along the lines of this conversation when he suggested that, well,
maybe Coach Prime is lashing out because he's always been
used to being the best at everything that he's doing,
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but he's not finding that same level of success with
to see you buffs. I mean, obviously, do you when
you hear something like that from another Hall of famer
talking about another Hall of fame who their friends?
Speaker 2 (27:01):
What's the first thing that pops into your mind?
Speaker 6 (27:04):
Call them first props? In my mind is why would
you go on the show without talking to him? I
don't know for a fact he didn't. He didn't call
him before he talked, before he spoke. And that's my thing.
I'm like, look, bro, if y'all are real, real friends,
like you understand, this is somebody that I met in
my profession that took the liking to me because of
how I rocked. She's my language, but now of how
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I handle my business.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
It's all good, man, It's all good. We rock with it.
Speaker 6 (27:31):
Yeah, yeah, okay, cool. Well they're friends on a different level.
There's no way that me and you know each other
for as teammates years years and years and for as
the bond the way we have without me calling you.
And now this is no disrespect to Shannon Sharp for anything,
but man, I got.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
To call him. I'm like, hey, bro, are you.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
Upset about this? Because Kemp running that excuse me, Shannon
Sharp running that piece on Dion nothing make.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
Or break him or Dion. So it was a give
or take kind of thing. So nothing.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
If he didn't run that, it wasn't gonna affect this show.
So my thing is just call him before you run it,
and if he says, don't forget it, like, because what
you're doing is you're towing that line that I spoke
about earlier. You got to toe the line dog like.
And if you know him, you got a direct line
to him like that, Call him and see what's really
going on the reason that Deon Sanders tweeted me back
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is because there was something that multiple people knew but
nobody said.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
And I know that to be true. And the reason
I'm on.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
This radio show right now is because he confirmed what
I said, and I didn't call him before, but I
was already privy to certain information. I think that when
guys have information and you're not sure, I think that
a mistake was made by not communicating. I think it's
something that goes on in the world every day. How
many problems do we have even at home when people
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just don't communicate.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
You just got through talking about something funny.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
You bring that up talking about Phil Dukes SEF Moore
three at Dukes of Scoop. What do you say to
people that say that Coach Prime brings this on himself
because he asks for the attention, and he does that
in a way to build up a program that has
largely been nationally irrelevant for twenty years and needs the attention.
But with positive attention comes negative attention as well.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
What do you say to that he's built.
Speaker 6 (29:24):
For it, that's all. I think, He's built for it,
Like anybody think about this. At our jobs, we know
that people aren't going to agree with us. I can't
go read every comment on YouTube. You can't go respond
to every listener on Twitter who doesn't respond, who doesn't
respond in the positive fastest to some of your tastes.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
You have to have thick skin for the error that
you that you frequent.
Speaker 6 (29:48):
And I think that's the most important thing. And that's
what I say to God, who say, well, yeah, you know,
he kind of brought his own himself. I said, of
course he did, Like that's what he wanted.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
Because if you want to be great, no, everybody, he's
not going to like you.
Speaker 6 (30:01):
My son is in fifth grade and he's playing on
the middle school team and he's about five to one.
I'm a short guy.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
I'm like five to nine.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
My son in five to one already, right, and I'm
and I'm so geeked up about it. But you think
the seventh grade.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Mom who's fired he just took a corner, isn't.
Speaker 6 (30:16):
Saying well, why do you got this fifth grade?
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Or out there?
Speaker 6 (30:19):
But when you're doing things that are different, and you're
doing things that are special, you have to be prepared
for everybody not to like you or somebody everybody's not
going to patch you on the back when you do
a great job. So I think that's that's why I
say he's built for it, because when you look at
his list of accolades, and not to be a fan,
but I'm just keeping it the buck bro like man, he.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
Doesn't pretty much done. If you're a.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
Ball player or somebody who aspires to be ballplayer, to
be a ball player, or somebody who admires people that
play ball, how much better does.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
It get to Deon Sanders. So for somebody to be.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
Able to frequent rarefy air the way that he does,
he's got to be built.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
For all those things.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Well, let's go ahead and the stand on business here
for Coach Prime and the but because on once again,
I feel.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
As though there is just criticism.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
But then sometimes it is not justified, and sometimes people
go a little too far than what they need to go.
But do you think at the end of the day
that we're gonna get the true story and it's gonna
come out, and whether you produce it to someone else
and they're gonna tell us what really took place between
Coach Prime and CBS.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
About sixty five percent of it is out right.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
And now if Stevin A Smiff did it too nice
If you don't check out Steven A. Smith show on YouTube,
it's not the EPR, Well, it's a YouTube show. He
literally took my story and elaborated and I talked to
those problems tonight, and it sounds like Stevin A.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
Siff has the whole story.
Speaker 6 (31:47):
I didn't even have everything that he had, so I
think for people that want to see the majority of
what happened, and I was told that there's a little
more to the story than what Stephen they said, but
Steve and A has about sixty five to seventy percent
of it.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
As far as the whole story, I don't.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
Think it'll ever come out because I think he the
chess player, and I think that he threw something out
in order to get a response. And when you think
about the way that he handles this business, Wayne has
coached prime ever been shot.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
This is a high step.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
And when he came into the league, he told he
told the league they got to put him on lay
away bro in eighty nine or eighty eight.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
Whatever in the ages.
Speaker 6 (32:27):
Like that.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
This man is not shy.
Speaker 6 (32:30):
And if he really wanted it out, it would already
be out. And if anybody, you gotta think, who did
sixty minutes? Bro? So the reason that he really reached
out to me was because he was like, Bro, I
know everybody in the industry, and you're the first person
that did as much research as you did on it,
and that's why, and that's kind of why he I mean,
ain't writing no paragraph to folks on Twitter like I.
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And that was kind of shocked myself.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
I'm like, Dag, what's up, coach.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
But I had to sit.
Speaker 6 (32:59):
Back in just realize. I was like, Okay, well I
did something a little bit different, and I'm getting things
that happen when people do things differently.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
Like there's no there was no reason.
Speaker 6 (33:08):
For you guys to reach out to me except for
I had done something different and gave a different perspective
that Dion and Cosin and I just think that's all
a part of it. And I think that even with Hit,
even with the way he is man and I just
want to just go back to it. There's a method
to his madness.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Whether it's recruiting, whether it's how he coaches is.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
Whether it's the staffing that he has. There's a mesage
to his madness, and only he will know if he gets.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
It right or wrong. Because it's just like the stock market.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
You only lose.
Speaker 5 (33:39):
When you sell.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
So if Deion Sanders says, hey, I'm out of Colorado,
then we know you lost.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
But as long as he's there, he's got a chance
to win.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Well, Philip, I'm glad we did reach out to you.
I really appreciate you coming on to night. This has
been great and I hope we can check back in
with you throughout the football season. A little bit here
there gets some of your takes on some other college
football happenings.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
Man, absolutely not. Please get you guys to come on
my show on three.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Please, we'll definitely make that happen. Reach out, you know
where to you know where to hit me, will make
that happen. We got to hit a break now, but
we appreciate you coming on at Philip Duke's at Duke's
the scoop from on three. Really appreciate his insight right there.
Look forward to having him on the show again. We
got to hit a break here. We'll be back Broncos
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Well, Karaoke Knight. I mean that brings up a very
interesting story.
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No, no, no, no, it's about you and singing, uh the
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Let's do it. The white guy can wrap? I know
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Speaker 1 (00:55):
I mean, come on, man, hey, I'm just saying there,
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Speaker 2 (00:59):
I do believe that there was no you've been saying that.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
We have ye, we have somebody that's observing the show
right now, and they can test that.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Well, unless there's visible evidence it didn't take place.
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It doesn't fit. You must have quit, exactly. They can't wait.
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Speaker 2 (01:19):
Good to hear from you again, my friend. I haven't
seen you since we had coffee.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Yeah, it's been a minute. It's been a minute. I
hope you guys are doing well. Been enjoying the show
so far tonight.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yeah, it's uh, you know, Broncos Country has been enjoying
the preseason thus far.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Bow Nix looks like something that's going to be something.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I know you have been very bullish on bow You
uh compared him maybe not not uh stride for stride,
but compared him favorably to Drew Brees at times. And
you know, I think that BA is Sean Payton's muse.
I mean we saw Sean kind of get his bag
on that second drive. He started running things that we
always like, well wait a minute, we haven't seen that before.
(01:57):
They look catered to bow Nick's that everything indicating that
this is going to be his starting quarterback, whether that's
Week one, whether that's week whatever. But what did you
get out of that first preseason game.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Well, my general rule then when watching preseason football, and
I'm sure not everybody's going to agree with me on this,
but when I'm watching quarterbacks who are either established an
elite or they're projected to eventually play at a high level,
when I see them play well as Bo did, it's
certainly a bonus. When I see them struggle, especially if
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they'rey young, I don't hold it against them too much
because training camp in preseason is one we're supposed to
be fron pits when we're supposed to be making mistakes.
So when you see a quarterback like Bo play as
sharp as he did in Indianapolis, it's a bonus. On
the flip side of that, quarterbacks who are either backups
or not anybody who's projected to be a starter, when
they play well in the way that Dack Wilson did,
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I don't read too much into that. You're looking at
a lot of vanilla looks them all. It's always better
to play well than the struggle. I don't read too
much into it and a backups are struggling, and that's
more of a cause for concerns. So I don't think
we're at the point where we need the crown bonix.
I'm in full agreement with you. He's going to be
the eventual long time starter. Whether that happens six days
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from now, whether it happens week one, week four, remains
to be seen. But that's really all that camp and
training camp is about here is facilitating that process, seeing
him grow within the system. So you couldn't ask for
a much better start than what we saw versus Indianapolis.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Well coming this game, I mean there's always overreactions and
people look at things and look at stories as far
as a guy in that perform on well and said,
well he needs.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
To step it up. How do you look at it
when it comes.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
To interceptions that are thrown in practice opposed to interceptions
are thrown in games. Is this something that the fan
base should be somewhat I guess concerned with if it happens.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
I don't think so. I mean, Peyton Manning for your
twenty eight interceptions as a rookie in nineteen ninety eight,
and by year two he was arguably the best quarterback
in football. At worst, he was the second best quarterback
in football. So I look at training camp and the
preseason as an extension of camp as the opportunity to
learn what you can do. You want to sharpen those strings, right,
but it's also an opportunity to test your limits so
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that you learn what not to do. So when I
see quarterbacks picked off in camp, I don't overreact to that.
And when I see quarterbacks are picks in the preseason,
which all three of our quarterbacks should have been zero interceptions.
The one that Jared Stidham threw was very much a
Trevor Lawrence twenty twenty three kind of interception where it's
bobbled off the guy's hands. Should have been a completion.
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So it's a very clean football game. I'm not concerned
about seeing those mistakes in camp are in the preseason.
So far. As for what we've seen in preseason action,
it's been pretty sharp from all three.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Talker Ryan Michael ed the Ryan Michael on Twitter already
of opinion if you looked at it. I retweeted several
different film breakdowns of vot Knicks preseason one from Pro
Football Focus, one Tim Jenkins, one from jto Suli, one
from Chase Dan. I don't have you a chance to
see any of the four, and what were your thoughts
on them.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
I've seen two of the four and Tim and I
know he's been on KOA and he's a friend of
the network and he's one of my personal favorites. I
had to pick my top three, I would say Tim Jenkins.
You can follow him Tim Jenkins Elite or Team Jenkins
Elite on Twitter or All Things to Be on YouTube.
JT O. Sullivan at the QB School and Kurt Warner's
study Ball at QB Confidential. I mean, all of them
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are tremendous and I got to see certainly TENNS breakdown
of Bo's debut, and my takeaway from that is him
and I have a lot of the same observations. You know,
what we would like to see for going to take
because that's part of what we do is you need
to settle into the pocket, don't overlook your open receivers,
don't run towards the pressure, and that's going to require
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some patients in the pocket. Even though they were plays
like his first completion to sudden where yeah, he's making
something happen out of structure, but perhaps overlooking something that
might have been a little bit more open or easy
along way. So anybody, whether you're a young quarterback looking
to sharpen your craft or you're just an NFL fan
looking to understand more of the nuance and what goes
(06:21):
into the quarterback position, definitely recommend giving Kimsey Cubans the
page to follow.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
For sure, If Jared Stidham is the Week one started
up in Seattle, does that say more about Stidham or
more about bow Nicks and not being prepared to take
over the road right in Week one?
Speaker 4 (06:42):
I would say neither, because in the case of Sidham,
he has a full season under his belt, which is
a tremendous advantage when you're looking at the kind of
system that Sean runs. So if for any reason, Jared
Stidhen is the Week one starter, I don't read much
into that at all because give in the probability that
we're not likely. As much as I would love for
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us to be a Super Bowl contender this season, I
think a big part of the identity of this season
is getting bo acclimated to Shawn's system and not, as
Ben has said, we're not going to throw him in
there for the sake of throwing him in there. Anybody
can do that. We've seen a lot of potentially good
quarterbacks Tim Couch, David Carr, Josh Rosen just off the
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top of my head, who have the potential I feel
to be really good quarterbacks, but maybe never got a
realistic shot at doing so. Perhaps they were thrown into earlier,
they were in a situation that wasn't ideal. So for
any reason, Sean feels that Jarrett is a little bit
more prepared to take over the rains week one. It's
just a placeholder position. So for me, it doesn't matter
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at all whether Bo is the starter week one, week four,
even towards the end of the season. It's all about
getting him acclimated to the system.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
A lot of conversation about Zach Wilson lately and whether
or not Zach can be the QB two, Whether at
the Broncos carry three quarterbacks this year, Sean Dayton the
only head coach in the modern area I think that
carried four that I remember. Any chance that Zach Wilson
even starts for the Broncos or ends up as the
backup quarterback.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Realistically, I don't see that happening. Zach Wilson. I put
in a similar bracket to Justin Fields, where he has
the greatest raw physical talent of any quarterback in our room.
I don't think anybody would argue that point, but I
believe that one of the primary responsibilities of a QB
two is understanding the system with great depth and to
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have the preparation so that if you're called into the
line of duty, you can execute that system. We just
moved on from the best version, or at least one
of the best versions, perhaps not his prime, of seeing
a quarterback who can play sandlot football and lean into
those great physical skills in Russell Wilson. The difference between
a Russell Wilson, a Patrick Mahomes versus say, a Zach
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Wilson or as Fields is that Russell has elite processing
speed and pass accuracy, where the pass accuracy for Zach
and for quarterbacks like Justin Field is all over the place.
So even if we give them credit as they deserve
for their dual thread capabilities, they're just not the kind
of quarterbacks who are tailored to step into that QB
two position because we're not going to keep somebody on
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the bench who's just going to play backyard sandlot football
without the ability to process information quicker or pass with
greater accuracy. So I think he's the kind of guy
that if you want to take a gamble as a
QB two, perhaps for a loster outside of Denver that
doesn't have as much death as the position. Sure, he
was the number two overall pick for a reason, but
I don't see him being QB two and Denver whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
All Right, Ryan, I'm gonna put you on the spot
with the question that some may feel is ridiculous, but
I don't believe that it is.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
When it comes to boone, Nakes and all.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
The Broncos of the two quarterbacks and Zach Wilson. You're
putting more from an evaluation standpoint on what you see
in the joint practices or the preseason games himself.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Well, you get a lot more reps in practice, and
the joint practices are a unique opportunity to hone your
skills against an other teams, So I say they're both important.
The reality of the preseason, even with bo getting the
starting nod against Green Bay, is it's going to be
a limited number of reps so I think they're both
important as far as which one is more important than
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the other. I would actually lean a little bit more
towards what's happening in camp. Not that I put much
value into camp statistics, but I do put a lot
of value into those reps that you would know as
well as anyone how important it is as a young
player to sharpen your skills against some of the most
talented athletes in the world. So I think in that
camp setting is really going to be where bo cuts
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his teeth and sharpens the skill set he's already developing.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I think that for me, we talked a little bit
about intersects. I want to see a few interceptions here
in this joint practice. I wanted to see, you know,
how Bonix reacts to adversity, how he bounces back from it.
We sort of saw that a little bit in the
preseason game where he threw his first pass probably should
have been intercepted, and that first drive was a little shaky,
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But then that second drive he came out, you know,
and was just absolutely carving him up.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Is there is that your.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Sense of how that went and would you like to
see a little bit more of that in practice. I mean,
it's weird to sit here at beg for your quarterback
to throw interceptions at this point, but I kind of
want to see it at this point just because I
want to see what comes after.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
I'm right on board with you, because, as I said earlier,
this is your opportunity to test your limits and to
learn what you can sharpen as far as what you
do well versus what you can't do. And you look
historically at quarterbacks like Manning through twenty eight interceptions his
rookie year, Drew Brees through a number of picks early
in his career before he crafted his skill set. This
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is an opportunity to develop those skills. So if rowers
throwing interceptions and for practice, the idea isn't to throw
to the other guy. The idea is to be able
to test your limits. So if you're playing too conservative
in camp, or you're playing too conservatively in the preseason,
if you want to have pretty box score numbers, that
doesn't mean anything at all tomate. You need to be
as battle tested as you can be for a young
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quarterbacks being groomed for the starting role, so well, throw
as many picks as you need to throw, just get
out there and test your limits.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Ben and I had this conversation yesterday, and I definitely
want your input because there, for one reason or another,
there are teams that are out there in the NFL's thirty.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Two of them.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Some teams are experiencing injuries, some are noticing that, hey, listen,
they don't have.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Valuable depth at the quarterback position. And the question was, if.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
The Broncos were called and they had to part ways
with one of the two backup quarterbacks and Jerystidam and
Zach Wilson, who do you think that the Broncos will
be better of parting ways with and keeping based on
the foundation of having you, having deb and also being
able to have a solid person at that backup quarterback position.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
You let that go, And I'm almost answering too fast.
They knew the answer to my question in the moment
you started to barge. You let that go, and you
can't Sidham because Sidham's knowledge of the system, his ability
to be able to run it and really live up
to that QB two position of somebody who can come
in and execute it. If you should look at the
way he did so in the final two games of
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the regular season last year. To quote the late great
Dennis Green, he is who we thought he is, and
so that's what Jared has been doing his entire career.
And even though there's going to be some friendly and
realistic competition between the two, I believe that Bo has
the ability to learn a lot more from Sidham than
he does from Zach Wilson.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Well, Rian, we always appreciate it. I always enjoy having
you on.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
How did you enjoy your day out of camp here?
Speaker 5 (14:01):
That was wonderful.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
I mean to get to see the last practice before
preseason action. I mean, our guys looked sharp and I
think that was reiterated in live game time action. So
it was a great time to be there and looking
forward to what's to come.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yes, us as well, look forward to talk to you
again next week.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
He's Ryan Michael. Let the Ryan Michael on Twitter. We
appreciate you, Ryan, Jo Good guys.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Have a great night.
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You guys want to stay tuned tomorrow during KO Sports
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right here on Kiowa. Right now, we're gonna run right
back out to the KWA Comaspirtal hotline and for the
first time, bring on Philip Dukes from on three at
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Duke's the Scoop.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Philip, How you doing this evening, man?
Speaker 5 (15:27):
I'm great man. How you doing it?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Doing well?
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Brother?
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Doing well?
Speaker 1 (15:31):
We know the coach Brime situation is fascinating on multiple
levels to a lot of people, and I think recently.
Certainly video of him had got out there being fairly
surly with some local reporters, some of whom we know,
some of whom we know very well. But there are
there's more to it than some of the things that
(15:52):
you saw online.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
And my first question.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Before we get into that is how is we know
how this is viewed in the Colorado region with the CU,
but how is this viewed on sort of a national level.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
I think it's one of those things. It's a polarizing
type deal.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
The same way that Colorado is when everything else is
either you love it or you hate it. You got
guys who feel like Dion is being sort of a bully,
and then you got guys who feel like Dianne was
standing up for himself. So I think it's based on
your perception more than anything, or on a national level,
I think it's super polarizing.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
So when you look at journalism as it is, because
you find yourself in this business, do you think that
a lot of individuals are missing the mark when it
comes to journalistic integrity?
Speaker 6 (16:44):
I think though, And it's really fun and I'm glad
you asked me that. So a couple of weeks ago,
I was at the NABJ National Association with Black Journalists
and I'm doing a meeting and I'm doing a meeting
with a producer and they tell me don't turn around.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
Steven A. Smith is behind you, and I'm churving.
Speaker 6 (17:02):
I'm like, man, you know this dude got security guards
and everything, but killing right, right. And so I told
they was like, I mean, the producer was like, hey,
look dude, so he probably is the guy you want
to talk to.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
So when I did get a sense and talk to him, man,
and he took his time.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
And we talked for maybe about six seven minutes, and
he said, you cannot afford to lose your journalistic integrity
because you have great relationships, because you're somebody that's going
to have to really tread lightly when it comes to
that and understand what you're doing because you have a responsibility.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
As a journalist. And I be dog gone if not.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
Today I get a call from the Steven AH Smith
Show and they say, hey, we're running your d article tonight.
And in that article, he literally from what I said
about the situation, He told it all. Didn't I ain't
even watch it all because I don't want to be responsible,
like I talked to Coach Prime earlier. I'm like, hey, coach, hey,
I kept it close to the vent and he just
laughed and say, hey, I.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Know you did, brother. But I'm saying this, there is
a very very thin.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
Line to toe when it comes to relationships because when
it comes to journalistic integrity, because the last thing you
want to do is to put people in a like.
What we don't understand is that people are human.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
It doesn't matter what position you're.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
In, They're still human. And if somebody feels attacked, they
react defensively. And that's so, and as a journalist you
have to be careful about making people react defensively. So
when it comes to even the past situation that we're
talking about, there is a way to go about things.
And for example, I had those farm in the interview.
I deal with him about a month ago at Big
(18:42):
twelve Media Days. I asked him about high school recruiting
and he answered the question and he did it in
a way that only he could. When he called me
a couple of days later, he said, dude, you do
all want to tow you up. I gave you a
past that you knew and he said, hey, man, you
know of people don't have that. And I said, you
know what, coach, I got it. But at the same time,
(19:04):
you know, I got a job.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
To do and he respected it. And I think that's
the line.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
That's the line you have to So it's we talked
about everything else. We talked about the shoes, we talked
about Shiloh, we talked about the door, we talked about Traviss.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
But there you have to really pitch your spine.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
And I pray on it just just to be honest
about it. Like I'm like, all right, what should I say?
And I think that really helps me as far as
gooding relationships.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
I'm talking with Philip Dukes from on three at Dukes
the scoop on Twitter. Will walk us through this because
I think everybody saw the video of how he reacted,
and not everybody may have seen what you put out there.
So walk us through this a little bit and and
help us get some context to the situation.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Well, basically, I just.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
Kind of I kind of think it from a different
approach because what I saw was the narrative being painted
that Di was a coach and the soch problem was
upset about a CBA rioter making a ranking of dig
twelve coaches where he was second to last in the conference, and.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
I knew that wasn't it, and I had to I was.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
Privy to some information about one of the reasons why
I coach Frank may have been upset, and as we
talk about journalistic integrity, I said, well, I know some
of this, and maybe I should send it first.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
And I said, now you know what I'm doing. I
didn't send that video to anybody. I put it.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
Out and I said, I'll deal with what comes from it,
and I'll do the best job I can of doing
my job and still maintaining a personal relationships.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
And basically what it.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
Was the video was just basically saying, hey, look, the
last thing he's worried about is a guy making a
football fact based opinion ranking on where he sees Deon
Sanders probably the most celebrated defensive player of all time
depending on who you ask, a million people have said
(20:55):
where they ranked him. That doesn't bother him. What bothers
him is when somebody consistently says things about him that
don't have anything to do with football. And I think
that's part of the reason he responded to the other
writer the way that he did. And I just kind
of call both of those things out in the video,
and I also share some light on the situation that
(21:17):
I knew that was happening between him and CBS Sports
where they had a joint project, a joint venture that
didn't he I did his part, the CBS didn't do
their part, and they had a really good working relationship
that stans over a couple of decades. So with that
being said, it was kind of like, you know, that
(21:37):
wasn't a reason, but I wanted to be sure that
I just let people know it wasn't the ranking.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
And Steven A.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
Smith just came today. He literally just came about an
hour ago and Batty clean up and explained the whole situation.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
So some of this because I have friends on both
East West Coast and they are all in on what's
going on and see you even though they don't live here.
But there is kind of a consensus that well with
Coach Prime and well off me and all the publication
that they're doing to showcase the players and coaches and
(22:14):
what they're doing in Boulder, that there is this underlying
current of I guess the stain and negativity beings erected
at coach Prime. Do you think that he and the
program are being unfairly judged?
Speaker 6 (22:28):
I tell people, yeah, I don't think everybody is unfairly
judging them. I think but when you do, like anybody
that has any type of swagger, anybody that has any
type of bravado, if you got a bought when you walk,
there are gonna be people who don't have that bought
that look at you in a certain way. Because people
usually fear what they don't understand. And when people fear things,
(22:49):
a lot of times they say I don't like this.
So think about going to six Flags or anywhere with
roller coasters. If a guy says if a guy is
scare of the heights, he's going to say, what, I
don't like roller coaster. And it's the same thing. If
you don't, if you have a fear or you don't
understand something, then it's gonna put you in a light
where you're gonna pay things negatively. And I think that's
(23:09):
part of the reason why some people react the way
they do. But when you look at Colorado's fan base,
they're damn near rabbit. I mean they are, like you
can't think anything about Coach Brown without them going On,
it's even exchange. Like I think it's a very even exchange.
You got guys who can't stand Colorado, and you got
people that love Colorado, and then you have and let
(23:29):
me let me rephrase that, you got people that love
Coach Prom and you got people that hate Coach Prom.
And then you've got people who literally love the Colorado
Buffalo's regardless of who's in the captains chair, who've been
there for years, all the way back to Cordell's do
it in Westbrooks. So I think when you kind of
segment the fan chip.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
And the haters all together, that.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
You find out are these Nebraska fans because a lot
of people don't know on a national level how serious
the robbery is between Colorado and the Brass So when
you see in the Bratha.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Fan from if you're in Atlanta, Georgia.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
Where Deon Sanders basically raised my generation as a football
player and a culture or influencer, we don't understand that
people from the Bratha aren't going to like Dion because
he's the coach of Colorado. They think it's just because
of Dion, And I think when people starting to dive
into the reasons why there's a lot of understanding there,
and I think that's a big part of.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
The issue, that.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
Of when it comes to people not liking Colorado or
or how polarized Colorado is.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Talking with Philip Dukes.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
From on three at Dukes the Scoop, I was the
pointing out to Nick earlier, It's not like Prime is
doing something that no one has ever done before.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I mean, this is how Pete Carroll built USC.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
But Pete Carroll didn't get the same pushback that Deon
Sanders is getting. Is that because of Dion's sort of
in your face bravado. Is that is that because he's
using the transfer portal instead of traditional high school recruiting.
Is it a combination to people, as you pointed out,
fearing what they simply don't understand.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Why is they're this difference in the.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Way Pete Carroll was treated when he built up USC
by bringing rappers and DJs and all that kind of
stuff in during practices and Will Ferrell on the sidelines
and what Coach Prime is doing now with Wheezy and Wu.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Tang and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
I think just basically because.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
Coach Prime does it in a way that only he
can do it, so you can go like Derrick Glansville
for the Falcons had rappers on the sideline like they're
a president for it. But there's never been a guy
like Deon Sanders who has the track record that he does.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
Who's been who's always had the.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
Bragado so, who's always brought the show and who's always
brought the pazzas. There are twenty thirty year Deon Sanders
haters that are coming along, and not just white people.
And excuse my language, I'm not trying to be I'm
not trying to be Intendia or anything. But think about
the people who are mad, Think about the African Americans
who are upset that Deion Sanders left Jackson State. Like
(25:56):
there's a huge amount of people who don't agree with
how Deon Sanders uses his life. And I think that's
the and I think that's what it is more than anything,
because Pete Carroll is one of the coolest guys ever.
I got a chance to meet Marshawn Wentz and to
hear Marshaon Lynch talk about Pete Carroll outside of football,
it will sound like he's his uncle or his dad
(26:18):
or something.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
So I think that the underlying issue is it's not.
What Deanna is doing is how he does it well.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
My former Broncos teammate Shannon Sharp and Coach Prime's Baltimore
Ravens teammate, Shannon Sharp had some very interesting things to
say along the lines of this conversation when he suggested that, well,
maybe Coach Prime is lashing out because he's always been
used to being the best at everything that he's doing,
(26:49):
but he's not finding that same level of success with
to see you buffs. I mean, obviously, do you when
you hear something like that from another Hall of famer
talking about another Hall of fame who their friends?
Speaker 2 (27:01):
What's the first thing that pops into your mind?
Speaker 6 (27:04):
Call them first props? In my mind is why would
you go on the show without talking to him? I
don't know for a fact he didn't. He didn't call
him before he talked, before he spoke. And that's my thing.
I'm like, look, bro, if y'all are real, real friends,
like you understand, this is somebody that I met in
my profession that took the liking to me because of
how I rocked. She's my language, but now of how
(27:26):
I handle my business.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
It's all good, man, It's all good. We rock with it.
Speaker 6 (27:31):
Yeah, yeah, okay, cool. Well they're friends on a different level.
There's no way that me and you know each other
for as teammates years years and years and for as
the bond the way we have without me calling you.
And now this is no disrespect to Shannon Sharp for anything,
but man, I got.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
To call him. I'm like, hey, bro, are you.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
Upset about this? Because Kemp running that excuse me, Shannon
Sharp running that piece on Dion nothing make.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
Or break him or Dion. So it was a give
or take kind of thing. So nothing.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
If he didn't run that, it wasn't gonna affect this show.
So my thing is just call him before you run it,
and if he says, don't forget it, like, because what
you're doing is you're towing that line that I spoke
about earlier. You got to toe the line dog like.
And if you know him, you got a direct line
to him like that, Call him and see what's really
going on the reason that Deon Sanders tweeted me back
(28:28):
is because there was something that multiple people knew but
nobody said.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
And I know that to be true. And the reason
I'm on.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
This radio show right now is because he confirmed what
I said, and I didn't call him before, but I
was already privy to certain information. I think that when
guys have information and you're not sure, I think that
a mistake was made by not communicating. I think it's
something that goes on in the world every day. How
many problems do we have even at home when people
(28:56):
just don't communicate.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
You just got through talking about something funny.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
You bring that up talking about Phil Dukes SEF Moore
three at Dukes of Scoop. What do you say to
people that say that Coach Prime brings this on himself
because he asks for the attention, and he does that
in a way to build up a program that has
largely been nationally irrelevant for twenty years and needs the attention.
But with positive attention comes negative attention as well.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
What do you say to that he's built.
Speaker 6 (29:24):
For it, that's all. I think, He's built for it,
Like anybody think about this. At our jobs, we know
that people aren't going to agree with us. I can't
go read every comment on YouTube. You can't go respond
to every listener on Twitter who doesn't respond, who doesn't
respond in the positive fastest to some of your tastes.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
You have to have thick skin for the error that
you that you frequent.
Speaker 6 (29:48):
And I think that's the most important thing. And that's
what I say to God, who say, well, yeah, you know,
he kind of brought his own himself. I said, of
course he did, Like that's what he wanted.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
Because if you want to be great, no, everybody, he's
not going to like you.
Speaker 6 (30:01):
My son is in fifth grade and he's playing on
the middle school team and he's about five to one.
I'm a short guy.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
I'm like five to nine.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
My son in five to one already, right, and I'm
and I'm so geeked up about it. But you think
the seventh grade.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Mom who's fired he just took a corner, isn't.
Speaker 6 (30:16):
Saying well, why do you got this fifth grade?
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Or out there?
Speaker 6 (30:19):
But when you're doing things that are different, and you're
doing things that are special, you have to be prepared
for everybody not to like you or somebody everybody's not
going to patch you on the back when you do
a great job. So I think that's that's why I
say he's built for it, because when you look at
his list of accolades, and not to be a fan,
but I'm just keeping it the buck bro like man, he.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
Doesn't pretty much done. If you're a.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
Ball player or somebody who aspires to be ballplayer, to
be a ball player, or somebody who admires people that
play ball, how much better does.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
It get to Deon Sanders. So for somebody to be.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
Able to frequent rarefy air the way that he does,
he's got to be built.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
For all those things.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Well, let's go ahead and the stand on business here
for Coach Prime and the but because on once again,
I feel.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
As though there is just criticism.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
But then sometimes it is not justified, and sometimes people
go a little too far than what they need to go.
But do you think at the end of the day
that we're gonna get the true story and it's gonna
come out, and whether you produce it to someone else
and they're gonna tell us what really took place between
Coach Prime and CBS.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
About sixty five percent of it is out right.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
And now if Stevin A Smiff did it too nice
If you don't check out Steven A. Smith show on YouTube,
it's not the EPR, Well, it's a YouTube show. He
literally took my story and elaborated and I talked to
those problems tonight, and it sounds like Stevin A.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
Siff has the whole story.
Speaker 6 (31:47):
I didn't even have everything that he had, so I
think for people that want to see the majority of
what happened, and I was told that there's a little
more to the story than what Stephen they said, but
Steve and A has about sixty five to seventy percent
of it.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
As far as the whole story, I don't.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
Think it'll ever come out because I think he the
chess player, and I think that he threw something out
in order to get a response. And when you think
about the way that he handles this business, Wayne has
coached prime ever been shot.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
This is a high step.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
And when he came into the league, he told he
told the league they got to put him on lay
away bro in eighty nine or eighty eight.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
Whatever in the ages.
Speaker 6 (32:27):
Like that.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
This man is not shy.
Speaker 6 (32:30):
And if he really wanted it out, it would already
be out. And if anybody, you gotta think, who did
sixty minutes? Bro? So the reason that he really reached
out to me was because he was like, Bro, I
know everybody in the industry, and you're the first person
that did as much research as you did on it,
and that's why, and that's kind of why he I mean,
ain't writing no paragraph to folks on Twitter like I.
(32:52):
And that was kind of shocked myself.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
I'm like, Dag, what's up, coach.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
But I had to sit.
Speaker 6 (32:59):
Back in just realize. I was like, Okay, well I
did something a little bit different, and I'm getting things
that happen when people do things differently.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
Like there's no there was no reason.
Speaker 6 (33:08):
For you guys to reach out to me except for
I had done something different and gave a different perspective
that Dion and Cosin and I just think that's all
a part of it. And I think that even with Hit,
even with the way he is man and I just
want to just go back to it. There's a method
to his madness.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Whether it's recruiting, whether it's how he coaches is.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
Whether it's the staffing that he has. There's a mesage
to his madness, and only he will know if he gets.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
It right or wrong. Because it's just like the stock market.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
You only lose.
Speaker 5 (33:39):
When you sell.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
So if Deion Sanders says, hey, I'm out of Colorado,
then we know you lost.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
But as long as he's there, he's got a chance
to win.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Well, Philip, I'm glad we did reach out to you.
I really appreciate you coming on to night. This has
been great and I hope we can check back in
with you throughout the football season. A little bit here
there gets some of your takes on some other college
football happenings.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
Man, absolutely not. Please get you guys to come on
my show on three.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Please, we'll definitely make that happen. Reach out, you know
where to you know where to hit me, will make
that happen. We got to hit a break now, but
we appreciate you coming on at Philip Duke's at Duke's
the scoop from on three. Really appreciate his insight right there.
Look forward to having him on the show again. We
got to hit a break here. We'll be back Broncos
Country Night back after this.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
You know what, I'm coach prayer and i'd instead of
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