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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, Broncos Country, and what a full day of sports
we have to discuss tonight right here on Broncos Country
tonight covering for Ben and Nick Ferguson tonight, you've got
Zach Seegers. Just finished talking about the pretty exciting college
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football slate we have this weekend starting tomorrow all through Monday.
Also looked at the Micah Parsons trade, talked about you know,
should the Broncos have maybe been involved with that? And
you know, also how will that affect the Nick Benito negotiations,
because I'm pretty certain it'll have some pretty large impact
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on that, even though Micah Parsons isn't a Nick Benier. Sorry,
Nick Benito isn't a Micah Parsons level edge defender. Now,
with the final roster finalize, I think we have a
better idea of this Bronx Goes roster and its strengths
and weaknesses, and so I wanted to look at that
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some and then also who is primed for a breakout
campaign this year? Starting with the weaknesses, we'll start negative
and positive. I think what my Tier one weakness is
the most glaring areas of concern on this team for
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me right now I'm looking at linebacker and punter. If
dra Greenlaw and Alex Singleton are fully healthy, ready to go,
this becomes less of an issue. But Mike Cliffs reported
earlier this week that we're going to see both Singleton
and Greenlaw on a pitch count in Week one. I
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expressed some concern about this on Twitter, and I got
a lot of responses, Hey, they're playing the Titans, They'll
be okay. And while I agree they, you know, they
probably will be okay that any given Sunday thing does
ring true. But the greater concern here isn't you know,
can they beat the Titans without Alex Singleton. It's man,
we're playing games that actually matter right now, and they're
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not confident enough in green Law and Singleton's health to
play them a normal snapload. And I think that is concerning.
Even if not for Week one, week two, you're going
up against that Colts offensive line and Jonathan Taylor. That'll
be a test. You know, you're also seeing the Eagles
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pretty soon, You're seeing the Chargers pretty soon, some round
and pound, mauling run games. Right. That's that's definitely an
area of concern for me. Punter, I mean that one
I think speaks for itself. You look at just about
any punning metric, how frequently a punter is getting it
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inside the twenty, how much hang time they're getting on
the ball, how far they're punting it. What's the average
net punt in terms of you know, you're factoring in
returns and all that. Even when you look at all
the factors, it's I mean all of them, it's across
the board. Jeremy Crawshaw looks like one of the worst
punters in the league. Now we're talking about a sample
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size of just six punts, so you know, and there
were some weird happenings on those punts. The first punt,
for example, well covered, no one makes the tackle, leads
to a crazy longer turn. That's gonna hurt crosshaws net
punting stats. But still you would have liked to see
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a little closer to the middle, a little less of
a negative outline performance during the preseason. And you know, linebacker,
I can they say, hey, they had justice or not
step up. They had you know whoever else step up
last year. They've got some you know, Lavelle Bailey, Jordan Turner,
some promise seen Udfa's at the Karnie Reid, of course,
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who made the roster. He looks very promising. That doesn't
really exist at punter though. They'll sign a street free
agent probably if it keeps going bad. Definitely if it
keeps going bad, But you know, you're then signing a
punter who wasn't exciting enough to make one of the
other thirty one teams. You might be improving on what
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cross Shaw is offering, but you're still probably going to
have a bottom tier punter, and so that's a pretty
concerning development for me. I think the only way out
of it being a major point of weakness is if
cross Shaw turns it around and performs much better in
the regular season than what we saw in the preseason.
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After that, I think fullback is a tier two need
you know, they probably just call Adam Prentice up. It's
not that big of a problem, you know, it's not
going to weigh down the whole offense that they don't
have a fullback or an all that exciting full back.
But it is a large part of Sean Payton's offense.
And it's weird they don't have anyone, you know, with
Nate Adkins injured, with Michael Burton injured. They don't have
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anyone on the roster right now filling that role. So
even though it's probably just fixed with that and Prentice
it it felt worthy of mentioned to me. And then
lastly guard and tight end tight end, I don't think
you have a lot behind Evan Ingram. I think it's
concerning that Adam Troutman is far and away the best
blocking tight end on the roster right now, at least
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until you know Nate Adkins is healthy. And then at guard,
I don't know if you can feel that great about
the depth options behind Quinn Minors and Ben Powers. I
think Potcheski could step up, and you know now that
it's a definite you know tire fire, but I think
there is some question marks at least about those depth
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options and Ben Powers was dreadful this preseason, where that
might be a real problem at as a starter, and
then you know, who knows what else you have behind it.
Flipping to the positives here biggest roster strengths, I think
this edge rushing room could be the very best in
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the NFL. Nick Benito I think is solidifying in himself
and probably not a top ten edge all around, because
we know he's limited in the run game, but he's
a top ten, maybe even top five pass rusher and
probably not top top ten though pass rusher at the position.
Each of the last two seasons, he's ranked top eight
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in pass rush win rate and pass rush productivity which
productivity score which looks how effective you are on a
person that basis as a pass rusher, how disruptive you are.
Top eight in both those metrics each of the last
two years. He is a deadly pass rusher, even for
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his faults. Jonathan Cooper, I think he is a rock
solid starter, probably a little above average. And then the
death behind those guys, My goodness, I think Jonah Ellis
could start for a lot of NFL teams. He looked
amazing in the preseason. I can't wait to see if
it carries over into the regular season. But all summer
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training camp too, I mean, like just tearing it up.
Looks like he's ready to take a big leap this year.
Same thing with Andre Tillman, like he was good. Both
these guys were good last year. They both look like
they've taken major strides in their development over this offseason.
And then Ke Robinson, I mean, looks like maybe the
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best steal in the Broncos draft class. Right now, we'll
see lots of time to go with. You know, he
has to live up to it once the games start counting.
But man like, he is a terror of an edge rusher.
And I don't think this gets talked about enough. Nick
Saban labeled this guy as the best special team or
he ever coach. I think that speaks to a level
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of special selflessness rather of football IQ and clearly of
talent and ability to stand out like that to Nick
Saban in you know, the the unheralded part of the
game of football. You know, punt coverage, kick coverage right
alongside edge as a tier one strength. To me, I
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think cornerback. You know, you go five deep to Chris
Abrams drain and I think you've got dudes. Now, I
am a little worried that John da Barron isn't starting
over Jakwan McMillan yet. I think it's understandable, but you know,
definitely isn't what Broncos country was hoping for or really
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expecting when that pick was made. Still, though, you know,
he's looked great throughout training camp. I think he's had
some good moments in the preseason. I think he's going
to start sooner rather than later, and then everyone knows
how good Chris abram Strain is. I think he could
probably start for some teams out there, definitely a team
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like the Dolphins, and at the very least he would
be much higher up in the rotation. I think of
any other team my Tier two strength year, I've only
got one. I think it's wide receiver, and I'm sure
people would be surprised to hear that, but I think
you look at wide receiver right now, you've got Courtland Sutton,
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who I think you could argue is the best player
on offense right now, and then you've got a whole
lot of depth behind him. Marvin Mims started to really
blossom last year as this gadget receiver, Troy Franklin is
really blossoming, Pat Bryant having an incredible rookie showing, and
then Trent Surfield, I think is going to be a
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pretty clear upgrade on what little Jeoran Humphrey offered last
year in a pretty similar role. And I don't think
it's just talk either or just what media members are
seeing in training camp or what we're all seeing in
prec season. I think there's there's even more substance to
it than that, And I think you have to look
no farther than the Devon Valet trade. I mean, don't
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get me wrong, it was an incredible all but Devon
Valley wouldn't have been on the market if the Broncos
didn't think he was expendable. He became expendable because of
the incredible strength in the room outside of him. You know,
Sean Payton said himself, really before the trade and after
the trade, we didn't know which of the six guys,
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which five of the six guys we were going to
activate on game days, so we felt, you know, we
might as well get something for one of them. The
coaching staff, I think believes a lot in Troy Franklin,
a lot in Pat Bryant, because if they didn't, I
don't think they make the Devon Valet trade, because I
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don't think it was just, hey, we got offered a
fourth round pick for one of our receivers. We had
to take it. If that trade gets offered for Troy Franklin,
they say no, Marvin MAM's, no Courtland Sutton, no Pat Bryant,
no Trent Sirfield. Maybe yes, just because it'd be like,
how are we getting offered this much for Trent Schirfield.
But I wouldn't be surprised if they said no, just
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because Trent Shirfield fills a clear role on this team
as a special teamer, as a blocker in the run
game in a way that I don't think any other
any of the other wide receivers do. And then finally
the last strengths here, I'm actually saying quarterback and offensive
tackle Sam Ellinger could have been a backup elsewhere in
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the league. I'm surprised to hear that, but all the
reporting seems to point to it being a true fact,
and he chose to be Denver's quarterback. Three, Jarrett Stidham
I think is probably in that range, that Joe Flacco range,
where if he's your backup, you're in really good shape.
If he's your starter, you do not want to be there.
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But I don't think there's that many backup quarterbacks in
the league that are better than Jared Stidham. And then
Bo you know, I think he's probably somewhere between QB
twenty and QB fifteen right now, but like a leap
into the top ten this year. Is not out of
the question, and if he did that. If he does that,
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I think you're talking about it being not that far
behind the Tier one strengths in terms of, you know,
you've got some really awesome top end talent and really
great depth all throughout right there. With quarterback, I've got tackle,
a good, strong starting pairing with Bulls and McGlinchey, some
interesting backup options with Parrot and Pouchow. I just you know,
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I do think not the most exciting depth options, not
the most elite high end talent. That's why they land
in Tier three for me. Okay, last little roster topic
I do want to hit on here before we get
out of here. Which Broncos are primed for a breakout campaign?
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I love doing this every year, like who are the
breakout players? Who isn't a star right now but could
be four months from now? You know, Marvin Mims last
year comes to mind, Nick Benito last year. I think
there's a bunch of good candidates on the Broncos right now,
but chief among them, and we just talked about him briefly.
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I think Troy Franklin is in a league of his own.
If we're talking about players with the best chance to
break out this season with Valay being traded. Troy Franklin
seems like the clear next man up in training camp
when Valet would miss such practice. Troy Franklin was the
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next man up in the preseason game, the first preseason
game when all the starters played and there was you know,
no qualifiers or anything on it, Troy Franklin came out
before Devon Valet, even he was the third receiver out there.
I think he is the biggest beneficiary of this Divon
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Valat move and I think he might be more of
the true wide receiver than Marvin Mims now. Marvin Mims
could take another leap in his development. Last year he
was a productive player, but it was a lot of
gadgety designer stuff. I think Troy Franklin, you know, if
Mims doesn't become a fully well rounded receiver, Mims could
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stay in the niche he was in last year, and
Franklin could become that top guy opposite Suddon. And I
think he'd be a great compliment too, with his speed
and field stretching ability. He's also you know now that
he's a little stronger. With his speed, I think he
could be a menace after the catch, and Sean Payn's
great at designing those looks. Franklin's the clear top candidate.
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To me, I'd also throw out Riley Moss. Maybe I'm
cheating here, maybe he already broke out last year, but
there is wild amounts of hate for Riley Moss in
Broncos Country because he was playing through an injured MCL
going up against freaking T Higgins, and so many Broncos
fans hold that against him, act like Moss is a
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mediocre to bad corner, and I think he'll just remind
people that, no, I'm the guy you saw the first
twelve weeks of last season. I'm one of the best,
if not the best, outside corners in the league. And
I don't think it's just Broncos Country overlooking him. To
be clear. National media, I hear them talk about Derek
Stingley Junior and Kamari Lassiter and how great that tandem is,
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and Patrick Certan and Riley Moss are not brought up
in that same light, which surprises me. I also got
to talk about Ellis Tillman talked about them with you know,
the strongest positions on the Broncos. I think they are
going to absolutely go off this year, a major lea
for both those guys. Speaking of the edge room, should
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the Denver Broncos have been in on the Micae Parsons trade?
Could they have been in on the Micah Parsons trade?
What does the Micah Parsons trade do to the Broncos negotiations?
With Nick Benito? All that and much more talking about
tomorrow's awesome slated college football coming up after the break
right here on Broncos Country Tonight on KOA eight fifty
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am ninety four one FM. Hello, Bronco's Country and welcome
back to another post Rockies, a special post KOA Night
at the Rockies game edition of Broncos Country Tonight. What
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a mouthful that was joining you tonight. Is Zach Siegers
filling in for Ben and Nick Ferguson. Whole lots to
talk about tonight, Excited to get to all of it.
On top of the Rockies game tonight, we also had
the Buffs returning to play. You know, a bit of
a up and down performance from them, to say the least,
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lots to improve upon. Thankfully that next opponent should be
a lot easier. We'll get into that sum later tonight
over on k how make sure you're checking that out
as I'll give my post game takes over there. First up,
I want to talk about this massive Micah Parsons trade
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and how it impacts the Denver Broncos, cause you know,
they probably weren't in the market for Micah Parsons, but
I do think it has an impact on them. And
first let's start there. Should they have been in the
market for Micah Parsons. I think this has been under discussed. Man,
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I think they should have considered it. It would have
been a lot of money to invest in a small
handful of defensive players, but I think they probably could
have made it work financially, especially with wildly rich ownership.
You know, the way to manipulate the cap is to
spend cash. That's why it's harder for teams like the
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Bengals or the Raiders or the Chargers to do. But
in theory it should be easier for Broncos ownership than
anyone else to make those moves. Now, the capital is
a real concern. This team needs some young talent, some
high end young talent. Parsons is relatively young, but you know,
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not a guy on a rookie contract obviously, and man
giving up two picks and paint him that contract would
have been a lot to overcome. That said, Micah Parkson's
is one of the five best defensive players ten best
defensive players I've ever seen in my life. And I'm young, granted,
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born in nineteen ninety nine, but still we're talking about
you know, I've what fifteen years of really closely following
the game, and really one of the most special guys.
He's in like the Miles Garrett, JJ Watt, Aaron Donald
tier just about maybe not quite that level, but the
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tier right under those guys, you know, like TJ. Watson
Defensive Player of the Year winner with several All Pros.
And I think Micah Parsons has been more impressive as
a player, just a more dominant presence. And I think
you think about, you know, we saw how good Nick
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Benito was in this defense. I think you put a
guy like Micah Parsons in this defense and you could
be talking about a twenty sacks season for like, I
think that would be on the table. I think he
also fits what Vance Joseph likes to do, you know,
in terms of blitzing in a ton of creative ways.
Michael Parsons is the perfect player for that with how
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he plays all over the Cowboys defensive line, and he's
the rare guy who can do that and also drop
back into coverage. There aren't many guys who can, you know,
line up as a one technique past rushing threat and
be a legitimate guy who can bowl rush your center
reguard and also offers the ability to drop back into coverage.
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And you know, he's by no means a high end
coverage linebacker, but he's very respectable in that regard. And
again you have Nick Benido. So I get why some
Broncos fans might bristle at it, but I think it's
the difference between you know, a minus B plus level
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ed rusher and an A plus level one. And you know,
it probably wouldn't have cost the Broncos the same draft
capital they could have given Nick Benito back. Maybe the
Cowboys wouldn't have been into that, but that's a pretty
great avenue to replace Micah Parsons wouldn't cost nearly as
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much as Michael Parsons, so they might be able to
easier to justify that easier with the CD Lamb and
Dak Prescott contracts on their books, and it would allow
them to maintain a high end edge presence. They you know,
their depth behind Michaeh. Parsons is pretty good. I think
that's part of the reason they were willing to make
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this deal. But without Parsons, they don't have that number
one option. You know, everyone shifts up a role and
that roster looks a lot less good. Like the Nuggets
roster right now looks great because you've got Yokichen's the
number one, and Jamal is the two, and so on
and so forth. If you took jokicch out of that
and everyone had to slot up a spot in the rotation,
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all of a sudden, you're talking about a dramatically worse team.
And I think that's what. You know, the Cowboys pass
rush will still be respectable, but nowhere near the unit
like they would have contented with the Broncos for best
pass rush in the league. That's not going to happen
after this deal. If they had made a deal for Benito,
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it's possible. And again, if you trade Benito, maybe it's
Benito and a first right, because ultimately it was two
first and Kenny Clark I think Benito in a first
would have easily gotten that done. And you're talking about
a Broncos team that at that point you feel really good.
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You're picking after twenty five, so you're giving up one
late first round pick, you're losing Benito, but you're insensibly
upgrading with Micah Parsons, and that would pretty much be that.
It would be the financial element. You'd be losing a
first round pick, and while you'd be upgrading it edge,
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you'd be getting one that you know, would be dramatically
more expensive. I don't know if this trade was contingent
on that ridiculous deal or the packers just went over
the top and got it done. You know, if the
Broncos could have saved a couple of million, that would
have been nice. But again I think they probably could
have swung it. And I do think it's you know,
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maybe Nick Benito continues to blossom and this looks like
a silly conversation and you can go, man, I'm glad
we have the cheaper player. I'm glad we have that
first round pick. It's good the Broncos weren't involved, But man,
you see a landmark, a landmark deal like this, one
of the biggest deals in NFL history, and it doesn't
seem all that expensive too for a team like the Packers,
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who was in the same realm of contender as the Broncos,
and go, hey, we're trying to win a Super Bowl
right now, let's add this game changing presence, and all
of a sudden, I think it's them in the Eagles
in the NFC as the clear top two dogs are
the you know, the Broncos could have again, Nick Bidido
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is a good player, He's not on the same level
of Micah Parsons right now, and you had Michael Parsons
to this defense. Yeah, you are looking at the Broncos
differently as a more serious Super Bowl threat right now.
You know, right now it's hey, let's hope they win
a playoff game. Super Bowl would be a It would
be amazing, But you know, Cherry on top no one's
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I think setting the bar at that this year. You
had Michael Parsons and that becomes the expectation. Watching him
and certain harassment homes would be so much fun. I
just the more I think about it, the more I
it's hard not to go, dang, I kind of wish
they were in on that But anyways, hypotheticals aside, this
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deal will affect the Denver Broncos now. Now it bumps
the whole edge market up. Because Micah Parsons is labeled
as a defensive end, it won't hit the Broncos as
hard as it would if he was labeled an outside
linebacker though, and that's because of the franchise tag formula,
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which is too complicated to get into now. But because
Benito is labeled a linebacker and that's contingent on other
linebacker salaries and the salary cap and a bunch of
other factors, that contract right now would be twenty eight
million dollars just about. The Broncos are not going to
be able to sign Nick Benito for any less than that.
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Because he is at least a franchise tag quality player.
You're not going to let him leave for nothing. At
the least, you're going to tag and trade him. And
so the floor for finances in the negotiations is that
twenty seven million dollars a year number. Him and his
agent are going to be smart enough to know we're
at least getting that much. So unless you're given a
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lot of guarantees long term money, you're not getting them
any cheaper than that, and then with how the market
has exploded, I think there's definitely no way now you're
getting him under that number. The likely number, I think again,
is going to be a modernized version of the Brian
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Burns deal, which when you adjust for inflation, will be
about thirty two million a year. I think if the
Broncos were smart, though, they'd get that deal done now though,
because Jalen Phillips and Trey Hendrickson are still looming. Trey
Hendrickson signed this one year deal with the Bengals, but
he will hit free agency this upcoming off season. Jalen
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Phillips will also hit free agency this offseason, and granted
he has injuries, he probably doesn't sign in the thirty
five to forty million dollar range. But if he signs
for you know, I don't twenty five twenty eight million dollars, well,
Benito's going to demand a legitimate raise off that. It's
like the Christian Kirk deal. I think that's a good
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thing to keep in mind with this Micah Parsons contract.
You know, Christian Kirk didn't just blow up the market
for you know, B minus receivers. He blew it up
for all receivers because it completely changed the range of
it everything, because all the receivers that were better than
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him went, whoa, Christian Kirk's making that I deserve a
serious raise. Then all the guys who are a little
worse than Christian Kirk said, well, I'm not going to
make half as much as Christian Kirk. I should just
make a little less than Christian Kirk. That's going to
happen now at edge where you know, Miles Garrett shifted
the whole market with his forty million dollar deal, forty
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one million dollar deal, whatever, and now you've got Michael
Parsons making you know, seven million dollars more than that
per year with a lot of guarantees. You know, it's
like a twenty percent raise almost on where the market
was earlier this year. Really the market was at that
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thirty five million dollar number, and now he's all the
way up to forty seven, right, So that's like a
thirty three percent raise at the top of the market
in one off season. That's going to be felt not
just at the top but throughout, and it will hit Benito.
I think the Broncos would be smart to sign it
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now before those ripples really take hold, and we're talking
about Benito in that thirty five to forty million dollar range,
and I think a lot of fans will go, well,
that's simple, too expensive, too much money for Benito, just
let them walk. Well, the Broncos are going to be
active in free agency next year. You're not even I mean,
maybe you get a third round compick for the guy,
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but there's a good chance you don't even get that.
Maybe you sign in trade or you know, tag and trade.
That probably be the best possible outcome there. But you know,
NFL dot COM's Greg Rosenthal released the early look ahead
best free agents in the twenty twenty sixth Glass Guest
Who's number one? Nick Benito. There's not another talent of
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his caliber who is unsigned at this point for next offseason,
and he and his agent are going to be well
aware of that. If it comes around to February or
March and he's still unsigned, he's going to just hey,
I'm going to wait a couple more weeks and get
the most ridiculous payday ever on the open market. Because
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whether it comes as a free agent or after a
tag in trade, whatever team trades capital for Benito will
then sign him to a contract like we just saw
the Packers sign Parsons to. When you trade for a
guy like that, like we saw the Broncos do with
Russell Wilson, when you make that trade, you lose the
leverage and it leads to the player getting a whale
of a deal. If you hit open market in free agency,
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you're going to get a ridiculous amount of money. Really,
probably the only bad scenario for Benito would be the
Broncos tagging him and making him play on the tag
for a year, which isn't out of the question, but
you know, even then you're talking about twenty eight million dollars,
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play on that, play hardball, and then walk the next
year and get the ridiculous payday Right at that point,
I just I think if the Broncos don't get it
done right now or early in the NFL season, and
Nick Benito, you know, even has a fairly productive season,
is on pace for ten to eleven sacks instead of fourteen,
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he's gonna be looking at man, I should be asking
for forty million dollars and if the Broncos don't want
to give me that, fine, I'm gonna get it elsewhere
on a different note. We've got college football first Saturday,
full Saturday slate of college football starting tomorrow. Lee Corso
is going to be making his last ever helmet, headwear pick,
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whatever they call it. You know, make sure you don't
miss that. He's such an iconic figure in the history
of college football. It'll be cool to see that send off.
His first ever pick was picking Ohio State, putting the
brutus buckeyeead on. I imagine we'll see a poetic end
where he picks Ohio State for his last one, but
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we'll see. Who knows. Maybe the poetry is him picking
against Ohio State in the last one. Speaking of that game, man,
it's not often you get a regular season number one
versus number three non conference at that. I mean, you
very rarely get that. It makes me think of the
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Chick fil A kickoff game. I think it was between
Florida State and Alabama, but even that was neutral sight.
This is going to be in the shoe, I mean
it is, oh Man, I could not wait for this one.
Arch Manning. He started a couple of games last year,
but now it's his program. Excited to see what he
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looks like. I don't think he'll come out this year,
but he's going to be the best draft prospect this
year and maybe next year. Right if he decides to
stick around in college, and he deserves to be discussed
as such, you know, we'll see again. The sample size
was small, so we're projecting off a small amount. He
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has three ugly games here to start the season, and
all of a sudden he's not going to be talked
about nearly the same way. So can he look like
the manning that was promised? You know? And then if
that wasn't enough for you, And then going against Ohio State,
which by the way, they've got Julian saying this super
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phenom Reshman throw into the likes of Jeremiah Smith and
all the talent Ohio State always boasts. You know, they're
turning over the roster some to Texas is probably the
more talented team, but both these teams are turning over
so many important roster pieces. I think it's a hard projection. Then, man,
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that's just getting started. You got LSU at Clemson later
on Tomorrow night. That's gonna be a great one. Notre
Dame at Miami on Sunday. We'll throw back to Catholics
versus convicts. I'm definitely pulling from Miami in that one.
I'm not a Notre Dame guy. And then Man on Monday,
not a ranked matchup, but we've even got college football
On Monday. We're gonna have TCU traveling to Chapel Hill
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to take on Bill Belichick's Tar Heels in Bill Belichick's debut.
I'm excited for that one. Speaking of things, I'm excited about.
Next segment, I'm gonna look at the Broncos' greatest roster
strengths now that we know the final roster, and I'll
talk about which Broncos are most likely to break out
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in twenty twenty five. All that coming up next on
Broncos Country Tonight right here on KOA News Talk Sports