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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The least the defense though, I was trying and focus
positive while we got the happy music going. But man,
it feels twenty to fifteen, ask Ahi Connor.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Yeah, I would say, and I wanted to basket in
the first of all, it's a win, right, the result
is a win.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
And the saying and.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
If you guys want to get out your drinking bingo
cards right now, you know, the saying that I have
nothing matters in preseas or everything matters in preseason except
the file score, and nothing matters in the regular season
except the final score, which is true. That holds true.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
There you go drink, you can drink.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
You shot on that one, and so nothing matters but
the final score. We got the dumb but the process
was there. It is inherently flawed and they have le
Broncos definitely have some work to do. The defense looked
pretty good for a few moments Earli where they were
trying to find their footing, but other than that it
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was it was pretty good overall. Most dominant defensive performance
I think of the week, with all due respect to
Indy doing whatever they did to the Miami Dolphins, and
that was.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
One where Tua was kind of helping him like two,
it was just melting down, really having a poor performance
in his own right, cam Ward, I know the numbers.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Don't show it. I don't care.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I mean, this is that cam Ward Rickie debut is
the best example of like, don't look at the.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Box square watch the games.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Howbody drops thudes for some I mean the last drop
and then everything they got was amazing, like the first
field goal drive, he's dead to rights, shakes off John Franklin,
Myers finds a receiver and it's a thirty yard game,
gets him in field goal. Ran. Yeah, I came away
from that game more impressed ye with cam Ward, even
if even if the rest of it was kind of
I think that coaching they need to gut that coaching
staff though, oh my god.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
I mean there were some just bone headed decisions.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
We're gonna get into bone headed decisions by the Broncos too,
but there were some boneheaded decisions by not challenging on
the iomn or the catch that was like that Riley
Moss was covered him the end of half sequence to
give the Broncos a touchdown just unbelievably. I mean, I
talk about coaching negligence all the time, you know, we
talk about different things. We're gonna talk about bunch of
coaching negligents over week one, not just with the Titans,
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not just with the Broncos.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
The Baltimore Ravens last night. I've got I have plenty
of thoughts on that.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
It amazes me how bad a lot of NFL coaches
are at end of half management, either end at first
or NCC endgame men. It's like they just don't like
clock management in the NFL, of course half trees. Yeah,
it's bad. I'll give you an example right off the bat.
The Baltimore Ravens last night. Last time they burned it
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last time out, the thirty one seconds left, allowing Buffalo
to kneel it out and have thirty seconds to run
their guys on.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
You're thinking, there is don't call that time out.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
After they do the second down, kneel let that thing
get down about seventeen sixteen seconds. Say you call the
time out. Now they don't have time to kneel it down.
They're gonna have to kick on third down, and if
they get it, you're gonna give yourself at least a
play maybe two.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yeah, it's negglage.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
You cost your team a chance to win playing on
the fourth and three, which I think was the louder
one even before. For then where you've got Lamar Jackson.
Look at how those teams are playing in that game.
Lamar Jackson's ePaper dropback was like point seven at MVP.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Were these seasons like point three?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I could make a case for punting that ball, although
I probably would have gone for it there. Yeah, I
could make a case for it. I can't make a
case for call in the last hardball. You're supposed to
be the analytics guy. You're supposed to be the smart
decision special teams guy, and you burn a time out
with thirty one seconds, let allowing them to come in,
kneel it down again to keep the clock run and.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Get prayer on there and then and kick the field goal.
And they did it. You're playing right into their hands.
They did.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, you let that clock run down just a few seconds.
They don't have time to do that, and they have to.
They're forced to kick the ball.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Now.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I had people counter.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Saying, Okay, you could have had Josh Allen come on,
run it backwards and then fire it out the back
of the en zone. Okay, but you're still gonna get
it back with one shot.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Yeah, it's and you're at least demanding they do something crazy,
like something could go wrong on Josh Allen's a possible
failure outcout turf monster grabs it, any trips and falls
and Alvis sudden it's a fifty five.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yard field goal.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
They're having to unexpectedly scramble out because they don't have
any timeouts in Josh Allen's right, fifteen yards in the
back of who knows what happens, But you're at least
opening up the window. And I will say, even then,
Marlin Humphrey almost blocked the field goal hump free. Was
it Hamilton's Hamilton?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
When I was watching that, I was like, oh, Hamilton
almost got that. We never nobody focused back on that
because of the winning, but you know, Hamilton almost got there,
creating failure out. As a coach, he needs your job,
your job to get your players in the best percentage
to win every time, which is why I hated that
call at the end of the game by Sean Payton
on fourth and eight.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah, that's it's nonsensical. It's the worst possible option on
the table.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
When they went to the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
I thought, surely they're just trying to make this field
goal five yards shorter and they're trying to get him
to jump there.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
They're zagging. I was like, okay, I'm I'm even with you.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
On this, Sean Payton about the possible blocked field goal.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
I'm even with you on that. Okay. You don't want
to risk the possibility of that.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
So you have in your mind the idea that failure
outcomes are possible, and you went with a you went
with a deep, a deep crosser or a mid crosser really,
but he went with a mid crosser knowing and you
said you got the look you wanted. You knew they
were going to be in zero? Like, what was there
when Sean Payton explained this that the presser after the game,
he knew they knew they were gonna get zero. Right,
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you have, you know, but no safety deep It's man,
straight man. You knew you were gonna get a zero.
Fire blitz, come in your way, put in your lap,
and whateverybody's focusing on. There's this still screenshot of like
Courtland coming free on the crosser.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Is that fair? Now?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
What I went and did was looked at the angle
from the side and you can see that the pass
rush is nearly in bo Nix's lap. At that point,
he's on his back foot trying to put the ball.
He can't even look that direction. He's just putting it
in an anticipation of wavy maybe where Marvin Mims is
going to go to, which was still the wrong one
to pick. Like, I don't think it totally abstaves the guy.
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I think that he can run under it. I get
I get the theory me too. It was a very
hard position for Bonnix.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I think the play was there to be made ultimately,
but nonetheless it's a bizarre decision.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
I think the field goal is a higher percentage play.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Yes, maybe it is blocked and is returned the other
way for a touchdown. Maybe Bonix is sacked as he's
trying to uncork a forty yard deep ball rainbow pass
and it's fumbled and that goes the other way or
gives it off. Yeah, gives the Titans the ball at
the forty Yeah, maybe it's picked off and offensive players
who aren't used to tackling missed some tackles and it
goes back the other way.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
I mean We just saw Camire a Dka.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Earlier in that game return one all the way to
the thirty five. Who knows what happens in a spot
like that. I just tell Jeremy Croshaw to punt it
out of bounds. I mean, do a max protection punt
and have him sail that sucker out of bounds at
the twenty even.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
That's what we should have done.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Is if you either you put bow nicks out there
and you roll protection and you pooch punt it.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
You know, if you're trying to draw them or do
whatever you can run.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Look, you can even run the deep cross or off
the off a roll pooch punt, that's the call there,
or or punting punting you were making. You were gonna
make that offense with no timeouts in one minute remaining,
you pooch punt it. You're gonna make them drive eighty
ninety ninety five yards with no timeouts in.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
One minute versus wherever.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
They what do they take over the ball at the
thirty tennessee thirty six?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Right, yeah, And they had the negative two yards of
offense in the second half at the end, so I
forget if they gained yards on that final drive, but
that would even take away it's a one score game.
Your defense has been nails. I just again, even the
field goal there, I would have been okay with and
trusting Hey will Let's is pretty good from this range
at mile high air, and the defense isn't letting them
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gain anything. So even though we're giving them a shorter field,
we're okay with that.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
It's just it's the most bizarre answer.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Even running a normal play would have made I think
more sense than that kind of had then just run something, yeah,
Max protect, like just go for eight yard. I mean,
I don't know, it's it's It was a really bizarre
and also because of it, you're not giving bow Knicks
a great easy out, you.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Know, because it's Zeros.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
It's a straight standard drop back in the pocket. He
can't just dead the ball right there, or you're gonna
give Tennessee the ball at midfield. He's going to have
to throw the ball or I guess maybe just a
turtle and take the sack. But you are there's definitely
a risk possibility on that. Look at the throws Bonnicks
had made earlier in the game, and some of the
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decisions that sack fumble the percentage of a turnover there,
just based on what Bonix had done in that game,
is more likely than the odds of a blocked field
goal returned for a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah, if it would have been me, my order of
operations there would have been punt push, punt, field goal attempt,
and then whatever that was. And I don't even wouldn't
have done that. I would have I would have run
an actual play. I would have like, what's our what's
our third Nate beater? What's our best third night beater?
We're gonna run that now, I'd.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Run a dig I mean, I know I'm an overly
simplistic here, but the Bonix loves ripping those things. To
Courland's side, Well, put the ball in his hands a
little bit. I'll put the ball in his hands after five,
and I'll hope he.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Can get you three.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
I would have rather they run another Tyler Bidet screen
even outside we know how rough those were that day.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I would have rather have rolled the dice on that. Again.
It was a yeah, I I that one was.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
It just seemed like trying to outsmart the room a
little bit, Like I get the idea, but it's just
that you're overthinking it like, there's a reason why some
of these answers are tried and true, and.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
That's that's part of the any any play.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
And this is like people like, can you hate Joan
Pootin and all that nonsense. I don't hate shot bait
and I don't. What I hate is his bad football.
I hate, I hate, I love smart football. And I
get what you're doing. You're trying to win the game
on a play. But the problem is you can't just weigh, yeah, okay,
this play could win it. You have to weigh what's
the failure outcome from not doing that? And I could
go back and point to you to the moment that
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the Baltimore Ravens lost that game last night, and it's
when they didn't go for two to put themselves up
seventeen and make a three score game.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
That's when they lost that game last night.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
The rest of it was playing itself out and they
made multitude mistakes after that, but that was the moment
they lost the game.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
And on the embarrassing coaching mishaps one I you mentioned
the Brian Callahan missing the challenge on Iominor's elbow.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
What was so embarrassing there?
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I thought was post game and his explanation, he says,
one elbow doesn't count as two feet. He would have
had to get the feet down anyways, That's why I
didn't challenge to your exactly to your point about you
need your coaches to put you in the best position.
They need to know the rules the moments like that,
and Callihan to the whole media demonstrated he doesn't.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
And that's weird. I mean, Brian Callahan's a football lifer.
His dad Bill Callahan, Yeah, you know, I mean he
is a football lifer.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
So the idea that.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
You know, anyway, the long story short, and I don't
want to get too much pound on the Broncos for
the wrong stuff Becaure's auple other things.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
I want to get to a bow.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Who looked a little outsworts in that game before we
get to the positives you know, in the next segment.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
But like.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
As a coach, it is your job to put your
guys in the best highest percentage way.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
To win possible. That's your job.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
You know, your job is to coach up technique and
all that stuff during the week, but in game, your
job is that the call fancy plays or literally your
job is to take your guys and put them in
the best possible position for them to win. And doing
a play that's a coin flip outcome with a negative
twenty percent added win percentage on a failure outcome is
not doing that.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
And that's been the problem with with Sean Payton. Times
throughout the years.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
He gets credit for these plays where he, you know,
tries to catch people nap it on an off side
kick back in the day and all that kind of stuff,
and he gets credit for all that, but nobody ever
goes back and looks at all the times he dials
up stuff like that and what it results in.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
They got away with one here because.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Titan's receivers came back and dropped the foot on two
straight passes there, which was an epidemic for them all
night dropping passes.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Camp Ward looks looks like the real deal, he really does.
And they did get away with one. But I think
to go a little back to glass half full here,
they weren't getting away with it.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
In these past two seasons.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
You know, they let the Jimmy Garoppolo Josh McDaniel's raiders
come into Mile High, they put out a stinker, they
narrowly lose that game, a game they should have won
a million different ways they lose it. We all know
the seventy to twenty Miami game, like they've dug themselves
a whole two years ago, even last year with bo
of course, with the Seahawks game, you have the defense
scored like fourteen points on their own and it's still
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not enough for them to win that that Week one
game this year, it was ugly. We can talk about
all the different ways they should have lost it, but
they ultimately won it. And to your point, all that
matters is also what's in the record box.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
And now they're a game.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Up on the Chiefs. The Chiefs looked better on Friday,
but it doesn't matter. And if the Chiefs lose to
the Eagles, the Broncos take care of a weak Colts team,
even if it looks ugly again, they've got a two
game lead over their biggest division contender.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, I think if you look at I think if
you look at this and you're trying to take the
best lass half full approach, I think there's two things.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
I think One, you got the dumb You can always
bank on that at the.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
End of the day, whatever criticisms are levied you got
the dumb and then two, maybe this sort of wakes
up this offense in the sense that all off season
the media has been flattering you. National media has been
flattering you. Your head coach has been talking about this
is a Super Bowl contender. Maybe this one is like,
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wait a minute, we haven't arrived yet. And then that's
what I'm hoping is that this kind of jolts people
into the realization that the offense and defense are not
on the same level. I'm hoping they watched that game
last night and realized that neither team is on either
of those two teams level, and there's the hope that
we can be there by the end of the year.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
And you often highlight how much better Sean Payton teams
have been in October, the September Sean Paige teams, even
going back to a Saints tenure, they're a little over
five hundred. And we know over his career he's sixty
five ish winning percentage. He's dramatically better than that outside
the month of September, So you know, and I think
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Belichick Reid have also had these tendencies where September can
be a bit of an extended preseason where they're figuring
out their rosters, figuring out their teams, and those slow
starts aren't good. I don't think you just say, oh, well,
he starts slow, and it absolves all the sins we've seen.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
That really cost the Bengals in recent years.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
But I guess, even though I'm concerned, I'm not feeling
too doomerish about the whole season because I think if
you can get through this September period at two and
two are better, you are still I think setting yourself
up for a really a real run, because I do
think this defense looks appreciably better than last year's even
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I think it looks like a truly special unit that
will consistently keep you in games and buy this offense
some time to figure out its kinks.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
That's the hope.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
I think there were a lot of people that were
maybe a little taken aback by how easy this game
was supposed to be for the Broncos versus how easy
it was not at the end of the day. But
you know, week one can be messy, and it's one
of those things like the difference between Week one and
week two for a lot of teams. We'll tell you
the difference between a coaching staff that had all all
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season to play on one game and one week to
plan a second game, and all of a sudden, you
see teams that look good week one, all of a
sudden turned into the pumpkin week two and beyond, versus
the teams that start to shine because they have a
coaching staff that's been around and no one knows what
to do week to week.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah, it's been the Mike McDaniel problem in Miami. Obviously
not this year, but he kind of comes out week one,
week two with something very exciting. You know, Week three
beats to the Broncos seventy to twenty, and then by
January it's kind of been figured out and his team's
not ready for the more physical part of the season.
I will say, as ugly and as bad and weird
as that Broncos game was, you know, they still just
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about covered, you.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Know, for the wh and good teams win.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Great teams cover seven and a half at the start
of the week and moved up to you and a
half and they win by eight. I don't think people
expected it to get there in the way it got there,
But I also don't think it was as much of
a disappointment maybe as it felt like in the moment.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Yeah, and that was one of those things.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
I mean, if you listen, oh, I told you to
buy it down to six and a half just to
be safe.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
So hope, hopefully y'll did that. But yeah, that's that's
one of those That's what it was.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I think at the end of the day, you're looking
at this thing, You're like, all right, we've got to win.
We've got a Colts team that we really don't know
what it is. Yeah, they beat upon Miami in Week one,
but we really don't know what this Colts team is yet.
It's gonna be as interesting to see. By the way,
they've got some issues. They've got two corners that are
at Charvia's ward end of the concussion protocol. Today, it's
unlikely that he will be healthy, but by the time
Sunday rolls around, so that'll be.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Interesting to see.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
He's massive because they're leaning on Zavian Howard, who was
out of football last year on the other side of Ward.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Yeah, they've got some they've got some issues in the
corner position.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
So this maybe you may maybe a blessing in disgus
eyes for for Denver. When all said and done that
you go up there and you get to handle business
against the shorthanded secondary there. We'll see, we'll get more
into that throughout the week. I do want to uh,
I do want to get some shout outs. I thought JK.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Dobbins did very well. Uh. I thought R. J. Harvey
did well and limited limited snaps. He needs to be
a bigger part of the offense after I think what
he showed.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
I mean, yeah, I think you get Baty won more chance,
but not to the detriment of the team. Jillian McLoughlin
doesn't offer you anything that Harvey already doesn't have.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
You know, he's not you know, he's not the guy.
But I think you get baby.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
One more shot and kind of see, but you start
working Harvey in just a little bit more. I think
it was basically a two to one, uh snap count
and for Dobbins to Harvey, maybe maybe even that out.
Maybe you smooth that out just a little bit. You know,
it is one point eight to one, you know, kind
of snapcay give him a couple extra snaps to see. There
was a pass pro snap for Harvey in there, which
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I thought he did very well.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
I agree. So actually I want him. I want him
to get more playing time because of that.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Well yet, right, you want to put little bits on
played to tell you know what him doing that you know,
every play. But that was certainly that was a positive sign,
positive step, you know. I think Troy Franklin played really well.
Obviously Courtland played well, so were there were bright spots
on the offense.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
The one thing that bugged me, man, those mechanics looked off.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
He was throwing from his tiptoes a couple of times,
side arm and some Pat Mahomes type throws.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I'm like, what are we doing here?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I think he was feeling himself a little too much.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
He started out hot. That first four throws.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
You talked about all the hype this offense has had
all summer long. I think you get all that hype
all summer long. First four throws look great. He dimes
up four for four forty one yards. He's off platform
on a lot of those, and they are pretty throws.
He hits the one to sudden that I saw Tim
Jenkins highlight on social media today where he threads it
between three Titans defenders like he came out dealing those
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first four throws and then it felt like he just
lost his brain a little bit and he had like
a Steph Curaye Jamal Murray heat check.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Moment where he was like, I can I can make
this one from.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
The logo and it was Unfortunately he didn't just try
that once and then settled down. It felt like he
did that all second quarter long, and it wasn't until
the third fourth quarter that he finally settled down. And
at that point he was almost too conservative. Yeah, uh,
we come back, we get it. A little bit more
of that. We'll get into our pluses. Obviously the defense
looked great. We'll get into a little bit of that
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as well. You guys listen to Broncos Country. He's like
right here on Getaway, I mean called like what do
you what do you call it? He can't be called
kid rock. He's a senior citizen. Now, Like what do
we call it him?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Now? Just Bob?
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Just an idiot old rock. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
It's so funny because like his whole mythology is his
fake too. He's saying, I'm straight out, I'm not cramped
in him straight out the trailer, bro, your dad was
like the fourth largest car dealer in Detroit, like, oh,
he's a millionaire.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
He comes from.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
He came up in this huge palatial estate, like he's
he's a wealthy, spoiled rich kid. Try to act like
he was like, you know, redneck whatever or whatever. He
came up from the heart of Detroit. His dad the
second largest car dealer.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Anyway.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I can't remember all that, but anyway, yeah, I thought
we banned him.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
We banned get Rock from the show appropriating trash. This
is an interesting choice. Well, that's fun. Grant doesn't pay
attention to anything I banned anyway. He's like, I'm gonna
do what I'm want back here. I own this board.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
You can't tell me mar Green Day and Creed and
Lincoln Park, Yeah, nickel Back, Oh yeah, all your favorites.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
That's uh. I gotta love it. I do want to. Uh.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
We talked about the the the problems I think with
the Broncos. One thing I want to hit on before
we before we get to the positives, and that was
the Bonix mechanical stuff. Like again, we barely touched on there.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
At the end. He and the other part of this
was he's out there screaming at guys.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
We saw him screaming at Lucas Kroll for not sitting
down against the zone. He was out there screaming at guys,
and I, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
I guess I.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
I'm for taking that authoritative leadership step in year two
and definitely for telling guys.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
What they need to be doing.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
I'm I'm not sure that's the most effective communication method,
especially when you're not playing well yourself.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
But you know, we'll see how that goes throughout the season.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Yeah, it's one thing when Peyton Manning does it, because
he's Peyton Manning and he's throwing fifty five touchdowns a
year or whatever. Right had already arrived exactly when he
comes into Denver in twenty twelve and start as sueing
that to everyone, It's like, Okay, it's Peyton Manning. I
better listen to this guy, I think, and people, you know,
it's bo Nix's team. I don't think he has a
problem with people listening to him. But yeah, you can't
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be ragging on everyone that hard when you're turning in
the game bow Hat.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
It just seemed he was a little out of control.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
It felt like he needed to settle down some and
just like take some breathers. He was pressing way too
hard on the throes, and like you said, it just seemed, Yeah,
the highs were too high, the lows were too low,
and that's that stopposite you want to see from your quarterback.
You want them to be even.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Yeah, it's just one of those things.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Let's get to the positives, man, because I feel like
we've dwelt.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
We've dwelt on the gives a little bit.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
That defense freaking phenomenal. That defense is light out. It's
still I mean that defensive short handed drag green lawn
out there, Malcolm Roach's on the high. That defense was
out there playing lights out. I want to give a
tip of the cap to the Titans defense too. They're
better than we thought they were. You guys laughed at
me for all the beefy stuff you laughed at before it,
and then you went out and saw it. Im.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
I'll be dard if I wouldn't right about it anyway.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
The Broncos defense, though, man, Nick Benito, just when you
just he gets paid, it takes his game to another level.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Nine pressures on twenty two snaps going after the passer.
It's a forty percent pressure rate. I was doing some
coming for stats late night at like midnight. He's the
only no player in the entire NFL at any position
last year had a game with seven or more pressures
and a pressure rate over thirty nine percent. He was
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at forty and nine pressures. Just ridiculous game from him.
And it's not a beefy Yeah it was.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
You guys made fun of me for bes Right on
the offensive line of the Titans ain't bad either. It's
not like that offensive line is like just just just bad.
They put a lot of effort into rebuilding that thing,
and it's it's not bad. Cam Mood is not a
bad player that the receiver stink. Their receivers couldn't hang on anything.
But you know, I like the fact that the fact
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that you were able to get that kind of pressure.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Is absurd.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
I mean, Nick Benilo out here doing something nobody in
the league did last year.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
And then I mean the defense as a whole. I
love the nerdy numbers. The Broncos allowed an offensive success
rate of twenty two point eight percent, meaning the Titans
were staying ahead of the sticks on less than one
out of every four plays. The Jacksonville Jaguars had the
second best mark in the league in that stat at
thirty six point five percent this week. So just dramatically,
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the gap between the Broncos and them the second best
defense is the same as the gap between the second
best defense and the twenty.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Fifth best defense in the league this year.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
I mean, the Broncos look like to me, it's only
one game and they went against a rocky quarterback. I
think cam Wood played well, but they look like an
actually special defense.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Just oh, this is the best defense in the league
in a given year.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
But like a twenty twenty three Browns, a twenty seventeen Jaguars.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
You know, on the high end, you have the.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Legion of Boom in the twenty fifteen Bronway, but one
of those you only see a defense this good every
two year, two three years type unit.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yeah, this is I mean last year when people were
trying to tell me that the Broncos had the worst
roster in the NFL, and I'm like, man, I don't know.
I'm here in camp and I'm seeing this defense and
this defense looks like it's gonna be special. And then
you come out this year and you see it and
you're like, this defense looks like it's even better than
last year. How about Elfanga everywhere everywhere on the field.
Did you see the clip where.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
He's firing in on Tony Pollard on the run play
and Peter Skeronsky starts back pedaling away from him a
guard that's a three hundred pound offensive lineman's Hufanga come
in and gets scared, doesn't seal out the block and
it lets Ufanga the running back.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Yeah, it's one of the craziest plays I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yeah, that was like a Polamalu moment there, or something
like the fear of you know, he would be the
dB made an offensive guard back down from contact.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
I've never seen that. Yeah, that was that was fascinating.
You know, green Law obviously wasn't playing. We don't even
know what this defense could be when you add a
drag green Law in there.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yeah, Roach, who's maybe the best run defender in the
front seat, is probably the best true knows that they have.
You know, you look at you look at the secondary there.
Jones came up another quietly. Brandon Jones has been phenomenal
for since he's been here.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
That's another.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, Vance is a guy. Vance was guy brought Zach
Allen with him. Vance's gout. Vance has a lot of
input on personnel. He's been that way everywhere he's ever been,
and he's got a really keen insight like he would
be a top tier scout.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
You know, he's got a really keen insight on guys
that fit. You know what it is.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Excuse me that he's trying to do and listening to
Vance Joseph, I'm bringing guys in because Brandon Jones was
was his call was was a smart move.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Brandon Jones, like we are not.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Even talking about the fact that Justin Simmons is unemployed
right now, Yeah, which seems ridiculous. I do believe he's
gonna be signed, could be this week. I do believe
it's gonna be an AFC team. We'll see both Kansas
City and Buffalo. I think had had at least made
a call there. Buffalo should be on that. I mean,
if you watched what Cole Bishop was.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Doing last night.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I know Justin Simmons didn't have his best showing for
the Falcons last year, but he's at least a veteran
with with a really.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
High football IQ and the bills, you just.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
You can't be letting all those coverage, busts happen.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Well, I's system. He could do what he does.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
You don't have to use him for run support and
kind of be like, oh, you know you can.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
You can put him back.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
There's a two high safety and let him do his thing,
which is what he's best at. So that's, you know,
for for him. I think that's that's the way to go.
When you get to some more of this stuff, we
come back hate Nickelback, Creed, well it all it jazz I.
(27:00):
They had like a joint concert not that long ago.
It's serious because one of our sales. Uh, Gavin went
to that one like herr dude went to Creed Nickelback
show or something like really you paid money for that?
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Yeah, they weren't paid to attack, like to turle it out. Yeah,
I have to tell you my Creed story off the air.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Sometimes it's Scott Stabs a terrible human being.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Five six, six years text. I want to hear you
guys thoughts.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
We did have somebody come in four or six's band
kid Rock uh, and then asked if that was a
political decision.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
No, that's not it. It's not it's kid Rock socks.
It has nothing to do with his politics. He just sucks.
His music sucks.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Yeah, that age they don't have to facture in the politics, right.
I don't know if you ever bought with the bad,
but I know for darn sure you didn't up jump
the boogie.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
So yeah, I'm not real lyrics by the way.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yeah, I'm not familiar with a lot of like pop
group's politics, but I'm good on passing on the genre.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Yeah, like, like same thing with kid Rock.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
I'm not I'm not big into or a tub something,
you know, I'm no, I'm saying I'm not right now.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Grat is so disappointed in you. You did like Trumble Womble.
I had that album.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Hey man, I I don't know if we can uh.
I feel like we're living in glass houses. If we're
we're a dogg and nickelbacking kid Rock and defending Tumble Womba.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Trumble Wumble was a thirteen piece band group that they
all live together. They are anarchists who all live together
at this house in Britain and day.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
It was a thirteen piece group.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Of singers, musiction whatever they put it like, that's the weirdest.
It was the weirdest thing. And they had that one
album that one song took off for some reason. They
had a minor hit. I think it's called Whatever Happened
to Mary? I think it was the End of Days
soundtrack or not a hundred on that, but to be sure,
but it's one of those kind of thing. They had
one other minor hit that was hit and then nobody
ever heard from again, Like internationally they still do all
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the stuff over in Britain and all that.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
But yeah, Tumble Way, you're a tumble one behater. Yeah
I would. I would put them in a similar group.
You know, top five of this ZAC Suams playlist right now,
now I need to know. Oh man, now you're putting
me on.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Honestly, a lot of NFL podcast that's a disgusting amount
NFL well by.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
My girlfriend will get in the car.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
With me and just changing at auto plane and it's
like The Athletic Football.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Show on two point five speed, and uh, she gets
very concerned for me.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
She's like, this is not good for you to be
listening to it at that pace.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Yeah, I'm I'm concerned for you, man, Like that's that's
not no.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
It's it's definitely riding my brother. Honestly, Tumblewamba would probably
be better for.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Me than that.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
I do like it's it's a struggle for me to
listen to a lot of other sports podcasts that kind
of stuff, like it's a I can't because I worry
that if I start to do that, I'm going to
subconsciously pick up on things they say and it'll influence
my opinion on something. So it's been ever since I
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started doing it's been a struggle for me. And I'm
a I'm a sports talk radio consumer. I grew up
on this stuff. I like, uh, I do have a
faith style, you know.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I'll take the different stuff and and and see, you know,
I think that's a good take, I think that's a
bad take, and let it inform my opinion, but not
not change it.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
I guess we've got rocketes Baseball come up. Bottom of
the hour.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
We come back at the NFL six pack right here
on Rockers Country Tonight.
The least the defense though, I was trying and focus
positive while we got the happy music going. But man,
it feels twenty to fifteen, ask Ahi Connor.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Yeah, I would say, and I wanted to basket in
the first of all, it's a win, right, the result
is a win.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
And the saying and.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
If you guys want to get out your drinking bingo
cards right now, you know, the saying that I have
nothing matters in preseas or everything matters in preseason except
the file score, and nothing matters in the regular season
except the final score, which is true. That holds true.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
There you go drink, you can drink.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
You shot on that one, and so nothing matters but
the final score. We got the dumb but the process
was there. It is inherently flawed and they have le
Broncos definitely have some work to do. The defense looked
pretty good for a few moments Earli where they were
trying to find their footing, but other than that it
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was it was pretty good overall. Most dominant defensive performance
I think of the week, with all due respect to
Indy doing whatever they did to the Miami Dolphins, and
that was.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
One where Tua was kind of helping him like two,
it was just melting down, really having a poor performance
in his own right, cam Ward, I know the numbers.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Don't show it. I don't care.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I mean, this is that cam Ward Rickie debut is
the best example of like, don't look at the.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Box square watch the games.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Howbody drops thudes for some I mean the last drop
and then everything they got was amazing, like the first
field goal drive, he's dead to rights, shakes off John Franklin,
Myers finds a receiver and it's a thirty yard game,
gets him in field goal. Ran. Yeah, I came away
from that game more impressed ye with cam Ward, even
if even if the rest of it was kind of
I think that coaching they need to gut that coaching
staff though, oh my god.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
I mean there were some just bone headed decisions.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
We're gonna get into bone headed decisions by the Broncos too,
but there were some boneheaded decisions by not challenging on
the iomn or the catch that was like that Riley
Moss was covered him the end of half sequence to
give the Broncos a touchdown just unbelievably. I mean, I
talk about coaching negligence all the time, you know, we
talk about different things. We're gonna talk about bunch of
coaching negligents over week one, not just with the Titans,
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not just with the Broncos.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
The Baltimore Ravens last night. I've got I have plenty
of thoughts on that.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
It amazes me how bad a lot of NFL coaches
are at end of half management, either end at first
or NCC endgame men. It's like they just don't like
clock management in the NFL, of course half trees. Yeah,
it's bad. I'll give you an example right off the bat.
The Baltimore Ravens last night. Last time they burned it
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last time out, the thirty one seconds left, allowing Buffalo
to kneel it out and have thirty seconds to run
their guys on.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
You're thinking, there is don't call that time out.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
After they do the second down, kneel let that thing
get down about seventeen sixteen seconds. Say you call the
time out. Now they don't have time to kneel it down.
They're gonna have to kick on third down, and if
they get it, you're gonna give yourself at least a
play maybe two.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yeah, it's negglage.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
You cost your team a chance to win playing on
the fourth and three, which I think was the louder
one even before. For then where you've got Lamar Jackson.
Look at how those teams are playing in that game.
Lamar Jackson's ePaper dropback was like point seven at MVP.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Were these seasons like point three?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I could make a case for punting that ball, although
I probably would have gone for it there. Yeah, I
could make a case for it. I can't make a
case for call in the last hardball. You're supposed to
be the analytics guy. You're supposed to be the smart
decision special teams guy, and you burn a time out
with thirty one seconds, let allowing them to come in,
kneel it down again to keep the clock run and.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Get prayer on there and then and kick the field goal.
And they did it. You're playing right into their hands.
They did.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, you let that clock run down just a few seconds.
They don't have time to do that, and they have to.
They're forced to kick the ball.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Now.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I had people counter.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Saying, Okay, you could have had Josh Allen come on,
run it backwards and then fire it out the back
of the en zone. Okay, but you're still gonna get
it back with one shot.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Yeah, it's and you're at least demanding they do something crazy,
like something could go wrong on Josh Allen's a possible
failure outcout turf monster grabs it, any trips and falls
and Alvis sudden it's a fifty five.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yard field goal.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
They're having to unexpectedly scramble out because they don't have
any timeouts in Josh Allen's right, fifteen yards in the
back of who knows what happens, But you're at least
opening up the window. And I will say, even then,
Marlin Humphrey almost blocked the field goal hump free. Was
it Hamilton's Hamilton?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
When I was watching that, I was like, oh, Hamilton
almost got that. We never nobody focused back on that
because of the winning, but you know, Hamilton almost got there,
creating failure out. As a coach, he needs your job,
your job to get your players in the best percentage
to win every time, which is why I hated that
call at the end of the game by Sean Payton
on fourth and eight.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah, that's it's nonsensical. It's the worst possible option on
the table.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
When they went to the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
I thought, surely they're just trying to make this field
goal five yards shorter and they're trying to get him
to jump there.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
They're zagging. I was like, okay, I'm I'm even with you.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
On this, Sean Payton about the possible blocked field goal.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
I'm even with you on that. Okay. You don't want
to risk the possibility of that.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
So you have in your mind the idea that failure
outcomes are possible, and you went with a you went
with a deep, a deep crosser or a mid crosser really,
but he went with a mid crosser knowing and you
said you got the look you wanted. You knew they
were going to be in zero? Like, what was there
when Sean Payton explained this that the presser after the game,
he knew they knew they were gonna get zero. Right,
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you have, you know, but no safety deep It's man,
straight man. You knew you were gonna get a zero.
Fire blitz, come in your way, put in your lap,
and whateverybody's focusing on. There's this still screenshot of like
Courtland coming free on the crosser.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Is that fair? Now?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
What I went and did was looked at the angle
from the side and you can see that the pass
rush is nearly in bo Nix's lap. At that point,
he's on his back foot trying to put the ball.
He can't even look that direction. He's just putting it
in an anticipation of wavy maybe where Marvin Mims is
going to go to, which was still the wrong one
to pick. Like, I don't think it totally abstaves the guy.
(05:57):
I think that he can run under it. I get
I get the theory me too. It was a very
hard position for Bonnix.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I think the play was there to be made ultimately,
but nonetheless it's a bizarre decision.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
I think the field goal is a higher percentage play.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Yes, maybe it is blocked and is returned the other
way for a touchdown. Maybe Bonix is sacked as he's
trying to uncork a forty yard deep ball rainbow pass
and it's fumbled and that goes the other way or
gives it off. Yeah, gives the Titans the ball at
the forty Yeah, maybe it's picked off and offensive players
who aren't used to tackling missed some tackles and it
goes back the other way.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
I mean We just saw Camire a Dka.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Earlier in that game return one all the way to
the thirty five. Who knows what happens in a spot
like that. I just tell Jeremy Croshaw to punt it
out of bounds. I mean, do a max protection punt
and have him sail that sucker out of bounds at
the twenty even.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
That's what we should have done.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Is if you either you put bow nicks out there
and you roll protection and you pooch punt it.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
You know, if you're trying to draw them or do
whatever you can run.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Look, you can even run the deep cross or off
the off a roll pooch punt, that's the call there,
or or punting punting you were making. You were gonna
make that offense with no timeouts in one minute remaining,
you pooch punt it. You're gonna make them drive eighty
ninety ninety five yards with no timeouts in.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
One minute versus wherever.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
They what do they take over the ball at the
thirty tennessee thirty six?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Right, yeah, And they had the negative two yards of
offense in the second half at the end, so I
forget if they gained yards on that final drive, but
that would even take away it's a one score game.
Your defense has been nails. I just again, even the
field goal there, I would have been okay with and
trusting Hey will Let's is pretty good from this range
at mile high air, and the defense isn't letting them
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gain anything. So even though we're giving them a shorter field,
we're okay with that.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
It's just it's the most bizarre answer.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Even running a normal play would have made I think
more sense than that kind of had then just run something, yeah,
Max protect, like just go for eight yard. I mean,
I don't know, it's it's It was a really bizarre
and also because of it, you're not giving bow Knicks
a great easy out, you.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Know, because it's Zeros.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
It's a straight standard drop back in the pocket. He
can't just dead the ball right there, or you're gonna
give Tennessee the ball at midfield. He's going to have
to throw the ball or I guess maybe just a
turtle and take the sack. But you are there's definitely
a risk possibility on that. Look at the throws Bonnicks
had made earlier in the game, and some of the
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decisions that sack fumble the percentage of a turnover there,
just based on what Bonix had done in that game,
is more likely than the odds of a blocked field
goal returned for a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah, if it would have been me, my order of
operations there would have been punt push, punt, field goal attempt,
and then whatever that was. And I don't even wouldn't
have done that. I would have I would have run
an actual play. I would have like, what's our what's
our third Nate beater? What's our best third night beater?
We're gonna run that now, I'd.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Run a dig I mean, I know I'm an overly
simplistic here, but the Bonix loves ripping those things. To
Courland's side, Well, put the ball in his hands a
little bit. I'll put the ball in his hands after five,
and I'll hope he.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Can get you three.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
I would have rather they run another Tyler Bidet screen
even outside we know how rough those were that day.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I would have rather have rolled the dice on that. Again.
It was a yeah, I I that one was.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
It just seemed like trying to outsmart the room a
little bit, Like I get the idea, but it's just
that you're overthinking it like, there's a reason why some
of these answers are tried and true, and.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
That's that's part of the any any play.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
And this is like people like, can you hate Joan
Pootin and all that nonsense. I don't hate shot bait
and I don't. What I hate is his bad football.
I hate, I hate, I love smart football. And I
get what you're doing. You're trying to win the game
on a play. But the problem is you can't just weigh, yeah, okay,
this play could win it. You have to weigh what's
the failure outcome from not doing that? And I could
go back and point to you to the moment that
(10:01):
the Baltimore Ravens lost that game last night, and it's
when they didn't go for two to put themselves up
seventeen and make a three score game.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
That's when they lost that game last night.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
The rest of it was playing itself out and they
made multitude mistakes after that, but that was the moment
they lost the game.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
And on the embarrassing coaching mishaps one I you mentioned
the Brian Callahan missing the challenge on Iominor's elbow.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
What was so embarrassing there?
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I thought was post game and his explanation, he says,
one elbow doesn't count as two feet. He would have
had to get the feet down anyways, That's why I
didn't challenge to your exactly to your point about you
need your coaches to put you in the best position.
They need to know the rules the moments like that,
and Callihan to the whole media demonstrated he doesn't.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
And that's weird. I mean, Brian Callahan's a football lifer.
His dad Bill Callahan, Yeah, you know, I mean he
is a football lifer.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
So the idea that.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
You know, anyway, the long story short, and I don't
want to get too much pound on the Broncos for
the wrong stuff Becaure's auple other things.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
I want to get to a bow.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Who looked a little outsworts in that game before we
get to the positives you know, in the next segment.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
But like.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
As a coach, it is your job to put your
guys in the best highest percentage way.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
To win possible. That's your job.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
You know, your job is to coach up technique and
all that stuff during the week, but in game, your
job is that the call fancy plays or literally your
job is to take your guys and put them in
the best possible position for them to win. And doing
a play that's a coin flip outcome with a negative
twenty percent added win percentage on a failure outcome is
not doing that.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
And that's been the problem with with Sean Payton. Times
throughout the years.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
He gets credit for these plays where he, you know,
tries to catch people nap it on an off side
kick back in the day and all that kind of stuff,
and he gets credit for all that, but nobody ever
goes back and looks at all the times he dials
up stuff like that and what it results in.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
They got away with one here because.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Titan's receivers came back and dropped the foot on two
straight passes there, which was an epidemic for them all
night dropping passes.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Camp Ward looks looks like the real deal, he really does.
And they did get away with one. But I think
to go a little back to glass half full here,
they weren't getting away with it.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
In these past two seasons.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
You know, they let the Jimmy Garoppolo Josh McDaniel's raiders
come into Mile High, they put out a stinker, they
narrowly lose that game, a game they should have won
a million different ways they lose it. We all know
the seventy to twenty Miami game, like they've dug themselves
a whole two years ago, even last year with bo
of course, with the Seahawks game, you have the defense
scored like fourteen points on their own and it's still
(12:38):
not enough for them to win that that Week one
game this year, it was ugly. We can talk about
all the different ways they should have lost it, but
they ultimately won it. And to your point, all that
matters is also what's in the record box.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
And now they're a game.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Up on the Chiefs. The Chiefs looked better on Friday,
but it doesn't matter. And if the Chiefs lose to
the Eagles, the Broncos take care of a weak Colts team,
even if it looks ugly again, they've got a two
game lead over their biggest division contender.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, I think if you look at I think if
you look at this and you're trying to take the
best lass half full approach, I think there's two things.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
I think One, you got the dumb You can always
bank on that at the.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
End of the day, whatever criticisms are levied you got
the dumb and then two, maybe this sort of wakes
up this offense in the sense that all off season
the media has been flattering you. National media has been
flattering you. Your head coach has been talking about this
is a Super Bowl contender. Maybe this one is like,
(13:35):
wait a minute, we haven't arrived yet. And then that's
what I'm hoping is that this kind of jolts people
into the realization that the offense and defense are not
on the same level. I'm hoping they watched that game
last night and realized that neither team is on either
of those two teams level, and there's the hope that
we can be there by the end of the year.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
And you often highlight how much better Sean Payton teams
have been in October, the September Sean Paige teams, even
going back to a Saints tenure, they're a little over
five hundred. And we know over his career he's sixty
five ish winning percentage. He's dramatically better than that outside
the month of September, So you know, and I think
(14:14):
Belichick Reid have also had these tendencies where September can
be a bit of an extended preseason where they're figuring
out their rosters, figuring out their teams, and those slow
starts aren't good. I don't think you just say, oh, well,
he starts slow, and it absolves all the sins we've seen.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
That really cost the Bengals in recent years.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
But I guess, even though I'm concerned, I'm not feeling
too doomerish about the whole season because I think if
you can get through this September period at two and
two are better, you are still I think setting yourself
up for a really a real run, because I do
think this defense looks appreciably better than last year's even
(14:52):
I think it looks like a truly special unit that
will consistently keep you in games and buy this offense
some time to figure out its kinks.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
That's the hope.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
I think there were a lot of people that were
maybe a little taken aback by how easy this game
was supposed to be for the Broncos versus how easy
it was not at the end of the day. But
you know, week one can be messy, and it's one
of those things like the difference between Week one and
week two for a lot of teams. We'll tell you
the difference between a coaching staff that had all all
(15:23):
season to play on one game and one week to
plan a second game, and all of a sudden, you
see teams that look good week one, all of a
sudden turned into the pumpkin week two and beyond, versus
the teams that start to shine because they have a
coaching staff that's been around and no one knows what
to do week to week.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah, it's been the Mike McDaniel problem in Miami. Obviously
not this year, but he kind of comes out week one,
week two with something very exciting. You know, Week three
beats to the Broncos seventy to twenty, and then by
January it's kind of been figured out and his team's
not ready for the more physical part of the season.
I will say, as ugly and as bad and weird
as that Broncos game was, you know, they still just
(15:58):
about covered, you.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Know, for the wh and good teams win.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Great teams cover seven and a half at the start
of the week and moved up to you and a
half and they win by eight. I don't think people
expected it to get there in the way it got there,
But I also don't think it was as much of
a disappointment maybe as it felt like in the moment.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Yeah, and that was one of those things.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
I mean, if you listen, oh, I told you to
buy it down to six and a half just to
be safe.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
So hope, hopefully y'll did that. But yeah, that's that's
one of those That's what it was.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I think at the end of the day, you're looking
at this thing, You're like, all right, we've got to win.
We've got a Colts team that we really don't know
what it is. Yeah, they beat upon Miami in Week one,
but we really don't know what this Colts team is yet.
It's gonna be as interesting to see. By the way,
they've got some issues. They've got two corners that are
at Charvia's ward end of the concussion protocol. Today, it's
unlikely that he will be healthy, but by the time
Sunday rolls around, so that'll be.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Interesting to see.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
He's massive because they're leaning on Zavian Howard, who was
out of football last year on the other side of Ward.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Yeah, they've got some they've got some issues in the
corner position.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
So this maybe you may maybe a blessing in disgus
eyes for for Denver. When all said and done that
you go up there and you get to handle business
against the shorthanded secondary there. We'll see, we'll get more
into that throughout the week. I do want to uh,
I do want to get some shout outs. I thought JK.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Dobbins did very well. Uh. I thought R. J. Harvey
did well and limited limited snaps. He needs to be
a bigger part of the offense after I think what
he showed.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
I mean, yeah, I think you get Baty won more chance,
but not to the detriment of the team. Jillian McLoughlin
doesn't offer you anything that Harvey already doesn't have.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
You know, he's not you know, he's not the guy.
But I think you get baby.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
One more shot and kind of see, but you start
working Harvey in just a little bit more. I think
it was basically a two to one, uh snap count
and for Dobbins to Harvey, maybe maybe even that out.
Maybe you smooth that out just a little bit. You know,
it is one point eight to one, you know, kind
of snapcay give him a couple extra snaps to see. There
was a pass pro snap for Harvey in there, which
(17:53):
I thought he did very well.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
I agree. So actually I want him. I want him
to get more playing time because of that.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Well yet, right, you want to put little bits on
played to tell you know what him doing that you know,
every play. But that was certainly that was a positive sign,
positive step, you know. I think Troy Franklin played really well.
Obviously Courtland played well, so were there were bright spots
on the offense.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
The one thing that bugged me, man, those mechanics looked off.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
He was throwing from his tiptoes a couple of times,
side arm and some Pat Mahomes type throws.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I'm like, what are we doing here?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I think he was feeling himself a little too much.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
He started out hot. That first four throws.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
You talked about all the hype this offense has had
all summer long. I think you get all that hype
all summer long. First four throws look great. He dimes
up four for four forty one yards. He's off platform
on a lot of those, and they are pretty throws.
He hits the one to sudden that I saw Tim
Jenkins highlight on social media today where he threads it
between three Titans defenders like he came out dealing those
(18:50):
first four throws and then it felt like he just
lost his brain a little bit and he had like
a Steph Curaye Jamal Murray heat check.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Moment where he was like, I can I can make
this one from.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
The logo and it was Unfortunately he didn't just try
that once and then settled down. It felt like he
did that all second quarter long, and it wasn't until
the third fourth quarter that he finally settled down. And
at that point he was almost too conservative. Yeah, uh,
we come back, we get it. A little bit more
of that. We'll get into our pluses. Obviously the defense
looked great. We'll get into a little bit of that
(19:21):
as well. You guys listen to Broncos Country. He's like
right here on Getaway, I mean called like what do
you what do you call it? He can't be called
kid rock. He's a senior citizen. Now, Like what do
we call it him?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Now? Just Bob?
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Just an idiot old rock. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
It's so funny because like his whole mythology is his
fake too. He's saying, I'm straight out, I'm not cramped
in him straight out the trailer, bro, your dad was
like the fourth largest car dealer in Detroit, like, oh,
he's a millionaire.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
He comes from.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
He came up in this huge palatial estate, like he's
he's a wealthy, spoiled rich kid. Try to act like
he was like, you know, redneck whatever or whatever. He
came up from the heart of Detroit. His dad the
second largest car dealer.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Anyway.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I can't remember all that, but anyway, yeah, I thought
we banned him.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
We banned get Rock from the show appropriating trash. This
is an interesting choice. Well, that's fun. Grant doesn't pay
attention to anything I banned anyway. He's like, I'm gonna
do what I'm want back here. I own this board.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
You can't tell me mar Green Day and Creed and
Lincoln Park, Yeah, nickel Back, Oh yeah, all your favorites.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
That's uh. I gotta love it. I do want to. Uh.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
We talked about the the the problems I think with
the Broncos. One thing I want to hit on before
we before we get to the positives, and that was
the Bonix mechanical stuff. Like again, we barely touched on there.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
At the end. He and the other part of this
was he's out there screaming at guys.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
We saw him screaming at Lucas Kroll for not sitting
down against the zone. He was out there screaming at guys,
and I, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
I guess I.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
I'm for taking that authoritative leadership step in year two
and definitely for telling guys.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
What they need to be doing.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
I'm I'm not sure that's the most effective communication method,
especially when you're not playing well yourself.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
But you know, we'll see how that goes throughout the season.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Yeah, it's one thing when Peyton Manning does it, because
he's Peyton Manning and he's throwing fifty five touchdowns a
year or whatever. Right had already arrived exactly when he
comes into Denver in twenty twelve and start as sueing
that to everyone, It's like, Okay, it's Peyton Manning. I
better listen to this guy, I think, and people, you know,
it's bo Nix's team. I don't think he has a
problem with people listening to him. But yeah, you can't
(21:30):
be ragging on everyone that hard when you're turning in
the game bow Hat.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
It just seemed he was a little out of control.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
It felt like he needed to settle down some and
just like take some breathers. He was pressing way too
hard on the throes, and like you said, it just seemed, Yeah,
the highs were too high, the lows were too low,
and that's that stopposite you want to see from your quarterback.
You want them to be even.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Yeah, it's just one of those things.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Let's get to the positives, man, because I feel like
we've dwelt.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
We've dwelt on the gives a little bit.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
That defense freaking phenomenal. That defense is light out. It's
still I mean that defensive short handed drag green lawn
out there, Malcolm Roach's on the high. That defense was
out there playing lights out. I want to give a
tip of the cap to the Titans defense too. They're
better than we thought they were. You guys laughed at
me for all the beefy stuff you laughed at before it,
and then you went out and saw it. Im.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
I'll be dard if I wouldn't right about it anyway.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
The Broncos defense, though, man, Nick Benito, just when you
just he gets paid, it takes his game to another level.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Nine pressures on twenty two snaps going after the passer.
It's a forty percent pressure rate. I was doing some
coming for stats late night at like midnight. He's the
only no player in the entire NFL at any position
last year had a game with seven or more pressures
and a pressure rate over thirty nine percent. He was
(22:51):
at forty and nine pressures. Just ridiculous game from him.
And it's not a beefy Yeah it was.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
You guys made fun of me for bes Right on
the offensive line of the Titans ain't bad either. It's
not like that offensive line is like just just just bad.
They put a lot of effort into rebuilding that thing,
and it's it's not bad. Cam Mood is not a
bad player that the receiver stink. Their receivers couldn't hang on anything.
But you know, I like the fact that the fact
(23:21):
that you were able to get that kind of pressure.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Is absurd.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
I mean, Nick Benilo out here doing something nobody in
the league did last year.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
And then I mean the defense as a whole. I
love the nerdy numbers. The Broncos allowed an offensive success
rate of twenty two point eight percent, meaning the Titans
were staying ahead of the sticks on less than one
out of every four plays. The Jacksonville Jaguars had the
second best mark in the league in that stat at
thirty six point five percent this week. So just dramatically,
(23:53):
the gap between the Broncos and them the second best
defense is the same as the gap between the second
best defense and the twenty.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Fifth best defense in the league this year.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
I mean, the Broncos look like to me, it's only
one game and they went against a rocky quarterback. I
think cam Wood played well, but they look like an
actually special defense.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Just oh, this is the best defense in the league
in a given year.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
But like a twenty twenty three Browns, a twenty seventeen Jaguars.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
You know, on the high end, you have the.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Legion of Boom in the twenty fifteen Bronway, but one
of those you only see a defense this good every
two year, two three years type unit.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yeah, this is I mean last year when people were
trying to tell me that the Broncos had the worst
roster in the NFL, and I'm like, man, I don't know.
I'm here in camp and I'm seeing this defense and
this defense looks like it's gonna be special. And then
you come out this year and you see it and
you're like, this defense looks like it's even better than
last year. How about Elfanga everywhere everywhere on the field.
Did you see the clip where.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
He's firing in on Tony Pollard on the run play
and Peter Skeronsky starts back pedaling away from him a
guard that's a three hundred pound offensive lineman's Hufanga come
in and gets scared, doesn't seal out the block and
it lets Ufanga the running back.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Yeah, it's one of the craziest plays I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yeah, that was like a Polamalu moment there, or something
like the fear of you know, he would be the
dB made an offensive guard back down from contact.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
I've never seen that. Yeah, that was that was fascinating.
You know, green Law obviously wasn't playing. We don't even
know what this defense could be when you add a
drag green Law in there.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yeah, Roach, who's maybe the best run defender in the
front seat, is probably the best true knows that they have.
You know, you look at you look at the secondary there.
Jones came up another quietly. Brandon Jones has been phenomenal
for since he's been here.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
That's another.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, Vance is a guy. Vance was guy brought Zach
Allen with him. Vance's gout. Vance has a lot of
input on personnel. He's been that way everywhere he's ever been,
and he's got a really keen insight like he would
be a top tier scout.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
You know, he's got a really keen insight on guys
that fit. You know what it is.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Excuse me that he's trying to do and listening to
Vance Joseph, I'm bringing guys in because Brandon Jones was
was his call was was a smart move.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Brandon Jones, like we are not.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Even talking about the fact that Justin Simmons is unemployed
right now, Yeah, which seems ridiculous. I do believe he's
gonna be signed, could be this week. I do believe
it's gonna be an AFC team. We'll see both Kansas
City and Buffalo. I think had had at least made
a call there. Buffalo should be on that. I mean,
if you watched what Cole Bishop was.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Doing last night.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I know Justin Simmons didn't have his best showing for
the Falcons last year, but he's at least a veteran
with with a really.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
High football IQ and the bills, you just.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
You can't be letting all those coverage, busts happen.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Well, I's system. He could do what he does.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
You don't have to use him for run support and
kind of be like, oh, you know you can.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
You can put him back.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
There's a two high safety and let him do his thing,
which is what he's best at. So that's, you know,
for for him. I think that's that's the way to go.
When you get to some more of this stuff, we
come back hate Nickelback, Creed, well it all it jazz I.
(27:00):
They had like a joint concert not that long ago.
It's serious because one of our sales. Uh, Gavin went
to that one like herr dude went to Creed Nickelback
show or something like really you paid money for that?
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Yeah, they weren't paid to attack, like to turle it out. Yeah,
I have to tell you my Creed story off the air.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Sometimes it's Scott Stabs a terrible human being.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Five six, six years text. I want to hear you
guys thoughts.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
We did have somebody come in four or six's band
kid Rock uh, and then asked if that was a
political decision.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
No, that's not it. It's not it's kid Rock socks.
It has nothing to do with his politics. He just sucks.
His music sucks.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Yeah, that age they don't have to facture in the politics, right.
I don't know if you ever bought with the bad,
but I know for darn sure you didn't up jump
the boogie.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
So yeah, I'm not real lyrics by the way.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yeah, I'm not familiar with a lot of like pop
group's politics, but I'm good on passing on the genre.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Yeah, like, like same thing with kid Rock.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
I'm not I'm not big into or a tub something,
you know, I'm no, I'm saying I'm not right now.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Grat is so disappointed in you. You did like Trumble Womble.
I had that album.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Hey man, I I don't know if we can uh.
I feel like we're living in glass houses. If we're
we're a dogg and nickelbacking kid Rock and defending Tumble Womba.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Trumble Wumble was a thirteen piece band group that they
all live together. They are anarchists who all live together
at this house in Britain and day.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
It was a thirteen piece group.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Of singers, musiction whatever they put it like, that's the weirdest.
It was the weirdest thing. And they had that one
album that one song took off for some reason. They
had a minor hit. I think it's called Whatever Happened
to Mary? I think it was the End of Days
soundtrack or not a hundred on that, but to be sure,
but it's one of those kind of thing. They had
one other minor hit that was hit and then nobody
ever heard from again, Like internationally they still do all
(28:45):
the stuff over in Britain and all that.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
But yeah, Tumble Way, you're a tumble one behater. Yeah
I would. I would put them in a similar group.
You know, top five of this ZAC Suams playlist right now,
now I need to know. Oh man, now you're putting
me on.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Honestly, a lot of NFL podcast that's a disgusting amount
NFL well by.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
My girlfriend will get in the car.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
With me and just changing at auto plane and it's
like The Athletic Football.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Show on two point five speed, and uh, she gets
very concerned for me.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
She's like, this is not good for you to be
listening to it at that pace.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Yeah, I'm I'm concerned for you, man, Like that's that's
not no.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
It's it's definitely riding my brother. Honestly, Tumblewamba would probably
be better for.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Me than that.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
I do like it's it's a struggle for me to
listen to a lot of other sports podcasts that kind
of stuff, like it's a I can't because I worry
that if I start to do that, I'm going to
subconsciously pick up on things they say and it'll influence
my opinion on something. So it's been ever since I
(29:45):
started doing it's been a struggle for me. And I'm
a I'm a sports talk radio consumer. I grew up
on this stuff. I like, uh, I do have a
faith style, you know.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I'll take the different stuff and and and see, you know,
I think that's a good take, I think that's a
bad take, and let it inform my opinion, but not
not change it.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
I guess we've got rocketes Baseball come up. Bottom of
the hour.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
We come back at the NFL six pack right here
on Rockers Country Tonight.
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