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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Big news today.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Of course, the Denver Broncos have a site of preference.
I think everybody who listens to this show, and of
course KOA and the Broncos insider segment already knew that.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
The Burnham Yards told us on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Well, not only this Sunday, I told you the Arizona
Cardinals pregame show Sunday reported most of these details. But
Parker Gabriel, the Denver Post has got an exclusive with.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
The Walton Pettick group.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
They got them on the record with all that, and
that is out there now.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Hall of Famers. Steve Atwater, what do you think about.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
The new site or potential site as it were, for
the Denver Broncos over there at Burnham Yards.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Man, I'm super excited about it. And I know our stadium.
It's in a great location, has been here for quite
a while and I think it's still in really good shape.
But what beend ownership group? They like doing things first class.
I think they want to have their stamp on it.
And we knew this was coming eventually. We knew it
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was going to happen. We knew, you know, it was
in the work, so to know where it is, know
that it's not too far away from the from the
current stadium.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I think that's super cool. I like having the downtown.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
I used to love the drive up from down a
Dove Valley, the valley at the time on the bus.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
No on the bus I was driving up. Yeah, okay
driving We did have a bus. You knew, the bus
from Dove Valley up what bus okay? And that bus
man the a bus my bus bustheads.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Uh, yeah, there's a lot and and you know, I
kind of liked the idea. I mean, we knew that
this was the direction this was thing was headed for
quite some time. There were some flirtations with the idea
of Loan Tree, but that ultimately went away is that
Loan Tree just does not have the infrastructure to be
able to handle. I mean, the traffic seventy thousand people
going down a Loan Tree would just be brutal. There
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were some flirtations with the idea of going out near
the airport the Aurora area, but that creates additional problems
because you have to get FA permits for for flights,
for for air traffic, fiking all that creates.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Plus it's just further away from everybody, traffic restaurants.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Yeah, people don't realize how much business is generated when
there's a football game going.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
It's not the football game.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah, millions of dollars in the surrounding businesses. You know,
people want to live around it. There's people want to
be around. You want to go to bars and restaurants
and all that kind of stuff. There's a lot of
business associated with it. Nobody in the city of Denver
wanted to see that business migrate out. As far as
that kind of stuff goes, I think this is the
best of all worlds.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Situation in scenario.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Obviously, the soonest it would be done would be twenty
thirty one, could be longer than that, but twenty thirty
one would be the sooner. So the Broncos will play
at the current location through twenty thirty through the expiration
of their lease.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Not surprising there.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
We've had several I've had several questions come in about
what happens to the stadium at that point.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
The current stadium.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Ownership will revert back to the City of Denver at
that point, and from what I understand, the idea is
being kicked around that you build in it entertainment district
down there. You know, those that build an entertainment district
with living facilities above it, that kind of thing, whether
that's the city doing it, whether that's selling it to
somebody else, that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I don't know with.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
The idea that you would put a tunnel under Eye
twenty five to connect it to what Kronkey is doing
down there at the ball area and then create sort
of a mega across highway, you know, sort of entertainment
district down there.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
So again those are all you know in the air ideas.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
As far as that goes. But what we do have
is that this is the site of preference. If they
can get this thing done, they still got to move
Denver Water to facilities off of the Burnham Yards thing
because Denver Water's been on there. The Broncos are that
work that's going to be huge, going to pay for it.
It's not no cost to the taxpayer. This this new
stadium will be built with private financing. Now what that
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means and what everybody what you need to brace yourself
for is PSLs. And I'm not talking about that crappy
drink ride Edwards goes around trying to make a solid drink.
I'm talking about personal seat licenses and they're common and
they're going to be pricey. How does that work in
terms of like, what do you mean personal seat licenses?
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Well, I mean if you've.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Seen them before, like with these other stadiums, like how
they how they do it?
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Yeah, No, I'm not I'm not familiar with them. Okay,
I'm trying to think the best way to phrase this.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
So it's a it's it is a paid license that
entitles the the holder the right. You pay for the
license for the right to buy season tickets.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
So it's an additional fee, all right, So it's not
the season tickets, right.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
The right to Yeah, the holder of that license can
sell the seat to someone else if they no longer
wish to purchase season tickets. So you can sell your
you know, your your personal seat license. But yeah, I
got more question we'll talk about.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
But if you if you're a license holder and you
choose not to sell your seat license and you don't
renew season tickets, you forfeit that license back to the
team and that fee is gone. Most seat licenses are
valid for as long as a team plays in whatever
that particular venue is, and each ps, of course, pose
to a specific seat. Now the venue operator can charge
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different prices reach inderal seat.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
From the fans perspective, I think that's kind.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Of good because people who aren't coming to football games,
they won't have the burden of paying for the stadium.
And I think that happens when obviously when uh, when
everybody's taxed, they're.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Not getting taxed.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Nobody's getting taxed on it, right, and people who love
football will have to pay those teams.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Uh, p l's are prevalent, Uh in the NFL, It's
not as as prevalent in other sports.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
I think there's only five Major League Baseball teams that.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Have them, Okay, and in the NBA, I think you
have four teams that have them.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
The Nuggets do not, the Rockies do not.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Hockey has two teams that have them, but they been
in NFL, uh most most.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Teams, so the Chiefs don't.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
But everybody else now in the AFC West will hidden
towards that. Yeah, I mean I can, I can rattle
off the list off the top of my head. I
know Atlanta, Baltimore, Buffalo have them. Carolina, Chicago does, Cincinnati, Cleveland,
Green Bay, Dallas, Houston, both LA teams. The Raiders, Minnesota
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and New York Giants, God, who else? The Jets obviously,
the Eagles do, I know they do. Steelers, Niner, Seahawks,
and Titans all have them. So it's it's prevalent throughout
the NFL.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Ya. So is there is that another revenue stream? Yeah,
I mean it.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Helps pay off the debt. I mean it helps the
ownership pay off the debt. You know, it's a different
way to do it. Instead of taxing all the citizens
of a city, you're taxing the people who come to games. Like, hey,
this is singles bill for you. You're gonna you know,
so that you know it is what it is. I
think a lot of fans are gonna be set about it.
But in the end, I mean your options are distributed
through uh that that's getting paid one by the other.
(06:54):
Billionaires don't become billionaires by doing stuff for free. I'm
just saying, with all their respects to the Walton Penner group,
don't get to be billionaires by doing stuff for free. Yeah.
I think this is the better way of doing it
than with the tax. Right, there will be some taxation.
It won't be for the stadium, but there's a sidewalk tax.
Already in the city at Denver, and you're gonna have
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some infrastructure improvements to get roads and bridges fixed for
the area and all that cause, so there will be
some money from the city that goes toward that.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Tax is golobeg year.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Anyway, have you ever had ay when the taxes we
cutn't taxes this year?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I hear a lot of that, and then I look
at my tax bill right before I don't pay it.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Nobs, kidd, I'm totally kid, totally kid. How can I
pay tax if I don't make any money? We are
tax paying citizens, are we, yes, some of us?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
How can I pay tax if I don't make any money?
Speaker 1 (07:43):
My question exactly, But it all well, okay, different from that.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I'm just saying, if you put all that, if I
put everything in a trust, you working for free. If
I put everything in a trust and then my trust
just loans me everything that I have.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Okay. I'm not trying to give advice right now, but okay,
dot an investment invit. I'm just hey, look, I'm.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Just putting out some some theoretical concepts. If you want
to explore them, all right, is all right, it's a
it's all on you. As as far as the rest
of this goes, though, I think there's a lot of
palpable excitement about this because even though this particular stadium
is only, you know, twenty five ish years old, the
idea that some of these stadiums that are out there
now that you see that are sort of the crown
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jewels around in the NFL. You look at SOFI out
there in Los Angeles or the stadium over.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
There at Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Technology has improved so much over the last twenty five years.
Wi FI wasn't a thing when this stadium was built,
right right, So you know, you can really incorporate a
lot of cool concepts and things and updating with the
advanced technology that we've had over the last twenty five
years to make a better experience for the fans across
the board. So I'm excited about this thing. I know
it's six years off at minimum.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
But I am for AILB in six years.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yeah, we might we might have let's just say AI security, dude,
AI security, that's out from AI football players. Yeah, ever
played Patsy Tay got asked about playing in the stadium.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Whatever, He's like, Bro, I'll be in The'll be my
eleventh year in the league. I don't even know you.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
My big question is, though, is there gonna be an
atwater grill in the new stadium.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Hey, we'll see about I was just about to hit
the chan was like, sources are gonna tell me it's
a wheel.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
See you'll see somewhere somewhere rights on the on the
drive home right now?
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Like, guys, yes, yes, he put that in my head.
Is Steem's like, I don't say that that often? Uh huh,
I sure did. So we get into more of that
here in a minute.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
The Broncos go out and ad a running back to
the practice squad.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Duke's Vaughn five foot six, one seventy five.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Sean Payton certainly got a type and uh darren Sproles
clone there Duce Vaughan.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Does this spell the end for Julia McLoughlin.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Julie is chom Payton boy, he thinks so, except he
was inactive for this game.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
That may have been because he missed the practice or
two because he has some fumom stuff going on. Okay,
I think this is my point of view from now.
I have no idea what what the heck is going on?
Speaker 4 (10:08):
So sources are telling you not any sources. Yeah, you don't.
I don't even know what you're talking about, man, I don't.
People always tell me I'm wrong. I don't know what
you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Hey, you got he got I.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Don't know who's having your information, but you got an
inside source.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
You got inside on the inside.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah you know, yeah, I I I mean Jaliel though
doesn't give you anything that R. J.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Harvey doesn't already give you.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Harvey probably needs more snaps based on that last game
we saw Dobbins get a two to one split versus Harvey.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Tyler Bade got fourteen snaps uh in that game. They
weren't exactly the kind of snaps you wanted to see
out of him, although he'll probably get another shot at it.
But they he can pass protect, and he offers you
some special team's ability. He played a few special team snaps.
You look at at Chilia, they don't really play special teams.
Doesn't really pass protect, it doesn't turn I mean, but
he doesn't play any other special team like that.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
He actually does, but they don't run down or make
a tackle.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
You know, there's and then you just bring in this
duce fawn guy whose father is employed the Dells Cowboys organizations.
Why he was there originally, I just where does he fit?
What are you given Julia at this point, because if
you if you're putting him on the field, you're tell
who you taking off to.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Put him on the field.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Well, I believe there are a certain set of plays
in Shawn's playbook that fit what Jalil does well.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
The speed to the outside, and he.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Although he's not a very big guy, he actually is
pretty effective running between the tackles as well.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Now we haven't seen him.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Break any long, you know, I mean fifty sixty seven
eighty yard runs, but he has that burst and I
believe that's important to Sean. And I also think that
Sean loves his work ethic. He loves that he gets
to the facility, first guy in the facility, maybe the
last one. I don't know about the last one out,
but I know he's there early in the morning.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I see him super early, and he's like he beats
me in every day.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
He definitely, But I just think he has he's the
kind of player that Seawan that Sean likes, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Uh, And we'll see, we'll see, but you might you may.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Have some information a little bit more here, just saying
stuff I don't even know.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
I know, you know something. I'm just I'm just putting
something out there. You gonna like it, sent it right back.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
You get to the point though, where you look at
this and you're like, all right, you got JK.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Dobbins. He looked pretty good out there, J and and
and uh well r J.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
But Darvins is a three tool player, right, Dobbins could block,
can catch, Dobas can run.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
You got r J. Harvey, I say, you know he
can run. Still trying to see if he can catch.
We're still trying to see if he can pass pro.
And you got Benet out there, who, at least in.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Practice U can block and catch and run, but somehow
in a game can't can't catch the ball. Yeah, it
was a little catching. There were some booze that started
creeping out there. Jaliel is not much of a receiver.
He doesn't offer you anything in pass pro. He's you
put him in there, he's running the ball.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
You know how many he's got the past a few,
But he's not really much of He's not that guy.
I mean, he's kind of philled.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Lindsay two point zero you know, like when you put
him out there, you know what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Okay, you know you're not.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
With all I mean all good respect, all right, you're
not putting Jaliel out there to you know, to take
on Khalil mack Off the edge who can't.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Take on Khalil Macoff days though, I mean, I mean
running back.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Then put JK out there to chip and you're not
puting Jalil Juliet get Jilio will look like a neat.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
On a windshield. Anybody look like a net on wiz.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
You know, you put you put j K out there,
He's at least going to put something on. You know,
he's at least gonna gonna him hit it. Two twenty five,
two thirty is at least able to put weight on you,
whereas you' Lee McLoughlin, who's sixty pounds later than JK.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Dobbins. I understand that. I'm just saying, like, like the people
don't realize that, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I just I feel like Jalil is one of Sean's guys.
I don't I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm just saying,
and that's probably the reason he's on the roster right now.
But that to me, the clock's ticking because at some
point you're gonna have to make some decisions.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
And carry the freight on the fourth running back we
don't use.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Yeah yeah, well, I mean you're gonna keep four running
backs anyway, not today's game.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Most people keep three.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
And one on the practice Yeah, most rosters are three
and one on the practice squad. See, I mean we
had last year. Last year we had what Davante Davonte
jalil and estimate it was only three Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
No, they don't. We had a practice squad. But today, Okay,
I'm just saying.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Like we don't, like most teams don't carry the freight
on four backs anymore.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
You just can't, you know, all right.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
You know you gonna carry six seven receivers, how are
you going to keep four backs? And the Broncos have
skipped on that because they got what five receivers on
the on the active roster. But it's tough to do
it's tough to do that just roster construct. At some point,
somebody's gonna get hurt. You're gonna have to make a decision,
all right, who am I moving now? In order to
move somebody up here? So that I got somebody for
the game, and.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Your eyeball, Wow, I got this fourth running back that
we don't use. I love the guy, but we don't
use him. So you think he keeps on practice squad?
Do you think he just I.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Mean if he cuts Juli, I think he bring him
back to the pre to the practice squad. Yes, but
I think the clock's sort of ticking there. Man, Like
you brought in guys, his skill sets redundant with r J.
Harvey here, you bring in Vaughan, who's another like Jalil's.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Archie.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Harvey does everything that Julia mcloffin does. Yeah, but then
some but that was the case. Yeah yeah, but I
mean that was even with Javonte. I mean he had
a different skill set, you know, well he did. Yeah,
Jalil did things Chavante doesn't.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
He's got the wheels. I call him Joeheels McLoughlin. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
you know we're running like you know, there's a different style.
But now you got art and it makes it redundant.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
And you bring in who's Vaughan, who's again very similar
as smallest back who can't pass bro and you know,
you know what you do. You try to get lost
in the wash behind the line and pop him free.
But why was you Is that a latteral move? I mean,
you know why, I don't think it's a lateral move.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
I think you bring.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Vaughn's a body, But Juliel I think is better. But
I mean I don't think that either one or RB
one or RB two on anybody's roster, you know, I
mean I think both those guys are eight touch of
game guys. You know, you put a couple, you give them,
you get out there, you give them ten snaps, eight touches.
You try to get up you know, either a screen
pass or you try to get him lost in that wash,
bond the offensive line and pop one on a on
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a second short.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
You know, So are you saying you're thinking they're going
to do something different with Tyler Bendega Gold.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Give him another shot.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
I think he's got one more shot at trying to,
you know, do what he does in practice and take
that to the game. I think the clock's tacking on
him in terms of, Yeah, you got to produce in
the game. You can't get a case of the tight
cheeks and do that. Do whatever it was, whatever it
was you were doing in that game. Yeah, yeah, he
had a rough one. He had had a rough one
just in the past, in the past catching you know. Yeah,
he's looked like he had nerves with for four drops
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something like that. He had with six balls throw his
way and came away with two of them. One of
them was kind of off target, but there were a
couple of hit him in the hands and I'm like,
he's looking at his hands like that ain't the part
that's broken. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Yeah, I still think first game of the year. This
is really the first game. I mean, and because preseason
there there really isn't a preseason right for.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
The starters and the guys that play a lot.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I talked about that it was one of this is
one of the reasons that I think going to three
preseason games hurts, and you've got to find a way
to get your starters more reps out of those three games.
There's not as much opportunity to do it because come
in unpolished, they're not gonna do.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Because of the chance of somebody getting injured, and it's
like it feels like it's it's worthless. I saw the
documentary documentary on h on JK. Dobbins when he played
in the preseason, got hurt in the final preseason game,
and he's like, ah, man, and you know.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Everybody on the team was a little bit upset about that. Yeah,
I mean, I don't know. Hey, if you if you
don't get hurt, you don't get hurt in the preseason.
You don't have want to get hurt, obviously, But it's
just I don't know what's my injury settle.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
There is no easy answer for for that, right, But
you gotta find a way to when we can get
into this on the other side of that, we gotta
break here. But you gotta find a way to come
out with it together and not look like you're practicing
in a game.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
You know what I mean. Rocco's country died back after this.
What's the name car? What are you talking about? You
know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
The game left in the game when I half to
I fired up the deep cross or against Zeros. And
I get the concept. I mean I get the concept. Right,
you look at this thing, you try to put it away.
I get the concept. I just think it's poor decision making.
I think you, I think you look at this and
you you if you're scared of kicking a field goal,
which in this particular case, you're and I'm using scared pejoratively,
but you don't want to kick the field goal because
you're worried about a flukey block, scoop and score, which,
(19:19):
for Sean Payton has happened. Happened against the Chiefs game,
the block field goal. Did it happened to Sean Payton
when Vance Joseph was the head coach of the Broncos,
You remember that when Will Parks and the scoop and
score and all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yep, yep, it has happened.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
You know, it's been a thing that's happened to Sean
Payton before. So maybe he gets a little case of
the tight cheeks when it comes to like that kind
of stuff. But I'm not dialing up a deep crosser
on fourth and eight for midfield with fifty eight seconds
to go. We're rolling out and I'm pooch punting that
thing down down forty something yards.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Bro, I had to kick that. I mean, you're you're
eighty five percent on the field goal money, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
You're percent of the field goal will money, You're thirteen
percent to convert a fourth and eight, Bro, And or
if you punt.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Now you're eighty eight percent to hold them from scoring.
I like this. To me, it's just I was like,
this is the least best option of all these. Well,
I'm sure Sean. Sean's a smart guy. He has a
reason for it. I don't know what it was. But
for me, I would let Will money Less do his thing. Yeah,
(20:27):
I would have punted in that situation. I wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
I would have kicked field kick the field goal, all right,
I'm mad at.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I'm ad at. I would have ponted.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
My options would have been pooch, punt, field goal, anything
else than what they did.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Anything else, like if you're.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Gonna run a play, run a play, like I get
I get it because in the postgame pressor he's like, yeah,
we knew we were gonna get we knew we're gonna
get a zero.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Look, yeah, well cut was open, he was. I didn't
get the bo couldn't get couldn't see him though, right,
And I think this is this is the problem.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Most people look at that screenshot and you can see
Courtly kind of coming open on that screen shot. I
thought which to say, if you switch to a broadcast angle,
you can see the problem is that the pressure was
in Bow's face already at that point.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
He's back pedaling to try to get the thing. That's
the problem with a zero look.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Okay, we're gonna have man on the outset, but that
means that dude is coming and I gotta get rid
of it. And so that it created sort of a quandary,
is in we got the look we wanted, but are
we going to have the protection to be able to
hold up to get that thing out? You know, in
this particular case, we didn't, and we saw what happened.
I just I don't know, man, there's a lot of
game mismanagement I saw throughout the league. In Week one,
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you go back to the Baltimore Buffalo game, I don't
know if you saw the end of that one thirty
seconds left, the Baltimore Ravens called their last time out.
That allowed that allowed Buffalo to come out and kneel
it down one more time and then walk their field
goal unit on and kick the game winning field goal.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
You don't call the time out of thirty seconds.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
You wait for that thing to get down to about
eighteen where they can't make the Chinese fire drill, and.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Then you're going to get a player two.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
We saw last night an a gregious mistake by special
teams not kicking that ball through the end zone or
just kicking it out of balance and taking the flag
because who cares what the yardage is?
Speaker 1 (22:08):
You need that two set.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
You don't have any timeouts. You needed them to run
a play so that only ran two seconds. You're gonna
get the ball back and fifty seconds left. Instead they
get it back with nine seconds left and they couldn't
do anything.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Hey, man, guess what this is the first game for everybody.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Well, these are professional coaches, I know, man, but I
shouldn't be sitting here.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
This is really like our first preseason game. It counts.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
So your boy has got in game management services consulting
the starting Call me up, I got to you want
to do the wuch.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Boy on, I will do it. I will. I will
be your end guy.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I have played so many games of Madden over the
course of my life that my in game clock skills
like of all the thing, the less the one thing
that Madden can actually teach people and is down to
the second how to how to manipulate the clock at
the end game.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
And I will tell you, like I'm a bonehead when
it comes to something.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
That's the reason I'm sitting here with a microphone front
of my mouth instead of being out there doing something.
I'm a genius when it comes to indigating clock management,
I am. I am the Alpha and the Omega.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, the timing down, Oh my god, let me tell
you calculating. I gotta calculated.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I can tell you where's That's what I'm saying, Like
I no doubt of the second, you need to be
at about between sixteen and eighteen seconds on that time
out with Buffalo, because then they can't run a play
to try to run anything down in case anything happens,
they don't have enough time to get their guys along.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I can tell you now of the second. Why don't
they have a guy telling them that?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
If I can do it, I know these billion dollar
organizations can find a guy.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
To do it.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
I'm sure there's somebody that would like to do that
for them. They may not contracted them out yet.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Man. I mean, that's why I'm saying you need to
spread the words Hall of Fame. Staua boy. It's all
bright and all right. He can management guru is sitting
right here waiting to come help your NFL team the
best look. I would put my skills up up against
anyone else and just saying I would tell Brian. Now,
it was against the Broncos, so maybe I wouldn't tell
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Brian Callahan, but I would tell Brian Callahan that the
rule is if you have an elbow in bounds, accounts
as a catch, and you could challenge that.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
He apparently did not know that. They just went on,
let it go.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah, how do you You're a football life Your dad
is Bill Calai. You've been around football your whole life.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
How do you not know that rule? Hey? Man, some
things you're too nice? He goes right by sometimes oh
the two one four in the text line.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
To me, the only way Denver loses that game is
to do exactly what Sean Payton did.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Man, we got away with it.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
I mean, if those Titans receivers had caught either one
of them can Ward passes, and by the way, hats
off to cam Ward, if that line didn't show it,
that guy had a game.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Tennessee's got the right coat. They may not right have
the right head coach, but they got the right quarterback.
I think they uh Football Focus had him at a
fifty something rating. I don't know what that mean. I
don't pay attention to them. Cam wore played ball, he
did do caball And I remember said prior to the game.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
That we got to have a healthy amount of respect
because we never know what kind of game the young
guys are going to have. Some guys come out, they freeze,
They you know, they're worried about a thousand different things.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
He looked poised, he looked in charge. Yes, yeah, dude,
I mean you saw that, and you could see it
early on. So he was a pass I think it
was the gunner helm coming across and he's sort of
the right hand side. I think gunner didn't get it,
gives feed in or something like that. But uh, you
could see it early on. Like this guy, you can
make them throws outside the numbers. He's you know, he's
on point. It doesn't look rushed staring up the same
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you distribute it all over the place.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yeah, and it never looked.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Panicked versus you go watch Caleb Williams said, another number
one overall pick and it.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Looks a little antsy in the pocket.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Then yeah, you know, and they wouldn't do it much either, Yeah,
well with all do Yeah, well either one. You know
early on look a little Nancy in that particular game,
but it is what it is. Uh the seven one
nine wor's Jerry Rossberg When you need him clock management consulting.
He takes back selling hyperbary chambers. Actually, I think that's
what he That's what he was doing with.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
That's what he's doing. But George brought him in.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I man, Jarah Osburg had this team like the for
two games there, Jared Osburg had his team Almond.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
I was mad at him, him and uh, who was
gosh what was this?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Justin Oughten when they when they made aton the off
of you know, gave off the play and all a
sudden we were doing all this exotic stuff on offense
and I was like, oh oh yeah, okay, yeah, that
was one of those Jerry. I think he's back. I'm
pretty sure he's back selling hyperbaric chambers. Justin Oughten's with
the Seahawks doing their run game stuff now, okay, but yeah, that.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Was that was what I know. But I just I
know it's an epidemic.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I notice it every year and it bugs me and
I'm like, how do I how do I get in
front of some of these people? And say, look, you
gotta have a guy for this. You gotta have a
guy that's on the coms line that's telling you, John Harball,
don't call this time out. Let ten seconds go.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Do you think that someone has approached them about that
or do you think that they just aren't aware that
is needed.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I think they're either.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
I think most teams have strategy and analytics guys up
there that should has there are. I don't think those
guys have a loud enough voice in the game experience
because so much of that has been derided or had
eyes rolled all in math. We don't need the nerds
involved in that kind of stuff. And there's a there's
a point to that. You don't need a nerd telling
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you the percentage every single time, but you do need
somebody who's saying you're making a mistake here. This is
this is the smart play, John Horriball. You need to
let about eleven seconds run. It's counterintuitive, but let eleven
seconds run off before you burn.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
This time out. It's actually gonna save you time.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
You're going to get a shot at this or you
know what, telling Sean what the percentages are on those
particular plays.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
And I don't know for a fact that they don't
have someone.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
But I will say that those people do not have
uh do not appear to have a loud enough voice
in the room or a loud enough voice on the
line at that time.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
So you're saying that they may no but decide to Hey,
all right, I hear you, but I'm doing this.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Yeah, like I though whoever it is that is trying
to if they've got somebody telling them to do this,
that voice is not getting through and telling that in
an emphatic enough way that they are changing their decision.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Making to do the smart thing.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
But you know, idea sometimes when you well, you feel
like you and his own you're like, hey, man, look
I don't hear that.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Yeah, I hear you, but I'm going with this play.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
And when it works that you feel like a genius.
But that's the outlier. The reality is the smart play
is not to do it. And you got me sit
up your side eye and you're looking at you like
you should have listened to me on this one. Yeah,
but you know, Hall of Fay mustag Grant Smith back there.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Gt.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Five six six nine zero is the text line somebody
texting remind us that Gunner Helm had a great teacher
in high school.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yeah, it's coaching high school day logan. Hey, there we go.
So that was a couple of people buy it into
the conspiracy here thinking the shot Pate was point shaving.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
The spread was eight and a half, Broncos had eight
point lead, spread was eight and a half, and they're like, yeah,
Sean had shout had money on the under, that's why
they didn't kick it.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
No, that's not that's not it. That's that's not so
that that doesn't happen. But we don't take the NFL name, man,
don't do that. That's that's a little much. We had.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Quite a bit of stuff here about a lot of
people hoping that these PSL things isn't trauma tell you
it is like they're they're bringing personal their compani state licenses.
They're bringing them. I don't know that all seats will
be that way, because there's a lot of people that
are upset about this and like, man, I can't afford tickets,
you know.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
And let me ask this question. Are there teams that
tax the citizens and also have p s L. Yeah,
the Browns doubled up, yeah, double dipping. You know, what
can we do?
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Can we do an income tax, an a sales tax.
That's you know, the federal government. Look at the chops
right now. That's what I was somebody was talking about.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
And that's just the thing.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I don't know if you watched the Red Zone Channel,
you know, and a big controversy they had last week
because they were gonna put commercials on it. Yeah yeah,
I heard about that, okay, and then they were like,
we only did one minute of commercials.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
I'm like, bro, that's how they get you.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Well we only put well, we did well, we did
two pennies worth of taxes, and there's two dollars worth
of taxes.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
And that's how they get you. They start you always
only this, only this, they keep adding to it.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
The next thing, you know, you got like a NASCAR
where you got all these patches all over and you
know everything else. That's that's that's how they get you.
They get the foot in the door to get you
used to it. And that's why nobody wanted that on,
you know, on Red Zone Channel. Same thing here, like,
people don't want to be nickeled and dimed out of
this stuff. So while it's a good public relations move
for the Walton Pedig group to say that the stadium
is privately financed, which it will be.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
They're going to tax show in the back end with
those those seat licenses. That's how they're gonna get you.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
That's how they're gonna you know, billionaires don't become billionaires
by giving stuff away for free.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Yeah, but I still believe that.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
The the citizens and the and the fans who love
football should bear that costs more so than just everybody,
even if it's somebody don't I don't care about.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Football, like, but yeah, I'm with it, and I'm with
you on that too, I I you know, that's part
of the reason people talk about some of the taxes
that are out there, said, you know, just a broad
based sales tax versus a tax on certain items or whatever.
Like for instance, with the marijuana stuff. You know, I
have been known to use a gummy or too. I'm
willing to pay little taxes on that versus the people
that don't sleep.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Sleep man. I needed to give me to sleep man.
You can use some what's that other stuff called a CBD. No,
I try to trick it. You should have seen your face.
It was worth it. It was some natural stuff. But
try to let it work for me. Come on, man,
you didn't melt tone and all that. Yeah, I took
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the tone.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
I tried to overdo it to a whole bottle that
wouldn't let me go to sleep. What mine, Samia? You
got a problem one a hundred, I don't know anyway,
We gotta we gotta get another break bath. I appreciate
you coming to stay. Jongles cutting Nae backup for this
Big news today.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Of course, the Denver Broncos have a site of preference.
I think everybody who listens to this show, and of
course KOA and the Broncos insider segment already knew that.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
The Burnham Yards told us on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Well, not only this Sunday, I told you the Arizona
Cardinals pregame show Sunday reported most of these details. But
Parker Gabriel, the Denver Post has got an exclusive with.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
The Walton Pettick group.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
They got them on the record with all that, and
that is out there now.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Hall of Famers. Steve Atwater, what do you think about.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
The new site or potential site as it were, for
the Denver Broncos over there at Burnham Yards.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Man, I'm super excited about it. And I know our stadium.
It's in a great location, has been here for quite
a while and I think it's still in really good shape.
But what beend ownership group? They like doing things first class.
I think they want to have their stamp on it.
And we knew this was coming eventually. We knew it
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was going to happen. We knew, you know, it was
in the work, so to know where it is, know
that it's not too far away from the from the
current stadium.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I think that's super cool. I like having the downtown.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
I used to love the drive up from down a
Dove Valley, the valley at the time on the bus.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
No on the bus I was driving up. Yeah, okay
driving We did have a bus. You knew, the bus
from Dove Valley up what bus okay? And that bus
man the a bus my bus bustheads.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Uh, yeah, there's a lot and and you know, I
kind of liked the idea. I mean, we knew that
this was the direction this was thing was headed for
quite some time. There were some flirtations with the idea
of Loan Tree, but that ultimately went away is that
Loan Tree just does not have the infrastructure to be
able to handle. I mean, the traffic seventy thousand people
going down a Loan Tree would just be brutal. There
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were some flirtations with the idea of going out near
the airport the Aurora area, but that creates additional problems
because you have to get FA permits for for flights,
for for air traffic, fiking all that creates.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Plus it's just further away from everybody, traffic restaurants.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Yeah, people don't realize how much business is generated when
there's a football game going.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
It's not the football game.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah, millions of dollars in the surrounding businesses. You know,
people want to live around it. There's people want to
be around. You want to go to bars and restaurants
and all that kind of stuff. There's a lot of
business associated with it. Nobody in the city of Denver
wanted to see that business migrate out. As far as
that kind of stuff goes, I think this is the
best of all worlds.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Situation in scenario.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Obviously, the soonest it would be done would be twenty
thirty one, could be longer than that, but twenty thirty
one would be the sooner. So the Broncos will play
at the current location through twenty thirty through the expiration
of their lease.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Not surprising there.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
We've had several I've had several questions come in about
what happens to the stadium at that point.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
The current stadium.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Ownership will revert back to the City of Denver at
that point, and from what I understand, the idea is
being kicked around that you build in it entertainment district
down there. You know, those that build an entertainment district
with living facilities above it, that kind of thing, whether
that's the city doing it, whether that's selling it to
somebody else, that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I don't know with.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
The idea that you would put a tunnel under Eye
twenty five to connect it to what Kronkey is doing
down there at the ball area and then create sort
of a mega across highway, you know, sort of entertainment
district down there.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
So again those are all you know in the air ideas.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
As far as that goes. But what we do have
is that this is the site of preference. If they
can get this thing done, they still got to move
Denver Water to facilities off of the Burnham Yards thing
because Denver Water's been on there. The Broncos are that
work that's going to be huge, going to pay for it.
It's not no cost to the taxpayer. This this new
stadium will be built with private financing. Now what that
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means and what everybody what you need to brace yourself
for is PSLs. And I'm not talking about that crappy
drink ride Edwards goes around trying to make a solid drink.
I'm talking about personal seat licenses and they're common and
they're going to be pricey. How does that work in
terms of like, what do you mean personal seat licenses?
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Well, I mean if you've.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Seen them before, like with these other stadiums, like how
they how they do it?
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Yeah, No, I'm not I'm not familiar with them. Okay,
I'm trying to think the best way to phrase this.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
So it's a it's it is a paid license that
entitles the the holder the right. You pay for the
license for the right to buy season tickets.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
So it's an additional fee, all right, So it's not
the season tickets, right.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
The right to Yeah, the holder of that license can
sell the seat to someone else if they no longer
wish to purchase season tickets. So you can sell your
you know, your your personal seat license. But yeah, I
got more question we'll talk about.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
But if you if you're a license holder and you
choose not to sell your seat license and you don't
renew season tickets, you forfeit that license back to the
team and that fee is gone. Most seat licenses are
valid for as long as a team plays in whatever
that particular venue is, and each ps, of course, pose
to a specific seat. Now the venue operator can charge
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different prices reach inderal seat.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
From the fans perspective, I think that's kind.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Of good because people who aren't coming to football games,
they won't have the burden of paying for the stadium.
And I think that happens when obviously when uh, when
everybody's taxed, they're.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Not getting taxed.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Nobody's getting taxed on it, right, and people who love
football will have to pay those teams.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Uh, p l's are prevalent, Uh in the NFL, It's
not as as prevalent in other sports.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
I think there's only five Major League Baseball teams that.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Have them, Okay, and in the NBA, I think you
have four teams that have them.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
The Nuggets do not, the Rockies do not.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Hockey has two teams that have them, but they been
in NFL, uh most most.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Teams, so the Chiefs don't.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
But everybody else now in the AFC West will hidden
towards that. Yeah, I mean I can, I can rattle
off the list off the top of my head. I
know Atlanta, Baltimore, Buffalo have them. Carolina, Chicago does, Cincinnati, Cleveland,
Green Bay, Dallas, Houston, both LA teams. The Raiders, Minnesota
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and New York Giants, God, who else? The Jets obviously,
the Eagles do, I know they do. Steelers, Niner, Seahawks,
and Titans all have them. So it's it's prevalent throughout
the NFL.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Ya. So is there is that another revenue stream? Yeah,
I mean it.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Helps pay off the debt. I mean it helps the
ownership pay off the debt. You know, it's a different
way to do it. Instead of taxing all the citizens
of a city, you're taxing the people who come to games. Like, hey,
this is singles bill for you. You're gonna you know,
so that you know it is what it is. I
think a lot of fans are gonna be set about it.
But in the end, I mean your options are distributed
through uh that that's getting paid one by the other.
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Billionaires don't become billionaires by doing stuff for free. I'm
just saying, with all their respects to the Walton Penner group,
don't get to be billionaires by doing stuff for free. Yeah.
I think this is the better way of doing it
than with the tax. Right, there will be some taxation.
It won't be for the stadium, but there's a sidewalk tax.
Already in the city at Denver, and you're gonna have
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some infrastructure improvements to get roads and bridges fixed for
the area and all that cause, so there will be
some money from the city that goes toward that.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Tax is golobeg year.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Anyway, have you ever had ay when the taxes we
cutn't taxes this year?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I hear a lot of that, and then I look
at my tax bill right before I don't pay it.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Nobs, kidd, I'm totally kid, totally kid. How can I
pay tax if I don't make any money? We are
tax paying citizens, are we, yes, some of us?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
How can I pay tax if I don't make any money?
Speaker 1 (07:43):
My question exactly, But it all well, okay, different from that.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I'm just saying, if you put all that, if I
put everything in a trust, you working for free. If
I put everything in a trust and then my trust
just loans me everything that I have.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Okay. I'm not trying to give advice right now, but okay,
dot an investment invit. I'm just hey, look, I'm.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Just putting out some some theoretical concepts. If you want
to explore them, all right, is all right, it's a
it's all on you. As as far as the rest
of this goes, though, I think there's a lot of
palpable excitement about this because even though this particular stadium
is only, you know, twenty five ish years old, the
idea that some of these stadiums that are out there
now that you see that are sort of the crown
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jewels around in the NFL. You look at SOFI out
there in Los Angeles or the stadium over.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
There at Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Technology has improved so much over the last twenty five years.
Wi FI wasn't a thing when this stadium was built,
right right, So you know, you can really incorporate a
lot of cool concepts and things and updating with the
advanced technology that we've had over the last twenty five
years to make a better experience for the fans across
the board. So I'm excited about this thing. I know
it's six years off at minimum.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
But I am for AILB in six years.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yeah, we might we might have let's just say AI security, dude,
AI security, that's out from AI football players. Yeah, ever
played Patsy Tay got asked about playing in the stadium.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Whatever, He's like, Bro, I'll be in The'll be my
eleventh year in the league. I don't even know you.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
My big question is, though, is there gonna be an
atwater grill in the new stadium.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Hey, we'll see about I was just about to hit
the chan was like, sources are gonna tell me it's
a wheel.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
See you'll see somewhere somewhere rights on the on the
drive home right now?
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Like, guys, yes, yes, he put that in my head.
Is Steem's like, I don't say that that often? Uh huh,
I sure did. So we get into more of that
here in a minute.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
The Broncos go out and ad a running back to
the practice squad.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Duke's Vaughn five foot six, one seventy five.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Sean Payton certainly got a type and uh darren Sproles
clone there Duce Vaughan.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Does this spell the end for Julia McLoughlin.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Julie is chom Payton boy, he thinks so, except he
was inactive for this game.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
That may have been because he missed the practice or
two because he has some fumom stuff going on. Okay,
I think this is my point of view from now.
I have no idea what what the heck is going on?
Speaker 4 (10:08):
So sources are telling you not any sources. Yeah, you don't.
I don't even know what you're talking about, man, I don't.
People always tell me I'm wrong. I don't know what
you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Hey, you got he got I.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Don't know who's having your information, but you got an
inside source.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
You got inside on the inside.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah you know, yeah, I I I mean Jaliel though
doesn't give you anything that R. J.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Harvey doesn't already give you.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Harvey probably needs more snaps based on that last game
we saw Dobbins get a two to one split versus Harvey.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Tyler Bade got fourteen snaps uh in that game. They
weren't exactly the kind of snaps you wanted to see
out of him, although he'll probably get another shot at it.
But they he can pass protect, and he offers you
some special team's ability. He played a few special team snaps.
You look at at Chilia, they don't really play special teams.
Doesn't really pass protect, it doesn't turn I mean, but
he doesn't play any other special team like that.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
He actually does, but they don't run down or make
a tackle.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
You know, there's and then you just bring in this
duce fawn guy whose father is employed the Dells Cowboys organizations.
Why he was there originally, I just where does he fit?
What are you given Julia at this point, because if
you if you're putting him on the field, you're tell
who you taking off to.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Put him on the field.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Well, I believe there are a certain set of plays
in Shawn's playbook that fit what Jalil does well.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
The speed to the outside, and he.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Although he's not a very big guy, he actually is
pretty effective running between the tackles as well.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Now we haven't seen him.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Break any long, you know, I mean fifty sixty seven
eighty yard runs, but he has that burst and I
believe that's important to Sean. And I also think that
Sean loves his work ethic. He loves that he gets
to the facility, first guy in the facility, maybe the
last one. I don't know about the last one out,
but I know he's there early in the morning.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I see him super early, and he's like he beats
me in every day.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
He definitely, But I just think he has he's the
kind of player that Seawan that Sean likes, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Uh, And we'll see, we'll see, but you might you may.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Have some information a little bit more here, just saying
stuff I don't even know.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
I know, you know something. I'm just I'm just putting
something out there. You gonna like it, sent it right back.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
You get to the point though, where you look at
this and you're like, all right, you got JK.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Dobbins. He looked pretty good out there, J and and
and uh well r J.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
But Darvins is a three tool player, right, Dobbins could block,
can catch, Dobas can run.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
You got r J. Harvey, I say, you know he
can run. Still trying to see if he can catch.
We're still trying to see if he can pass pro.
And you got Benet out there, who, at least in.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Practice U can block and catch and run, but somehow
in a game can't can't catch the ball. Yeah, it
was a little catching. There were some booze that started
creeping out there. Jaliel is not much of a receiver.
He doesn't offer you anything in pass pro. He's you
put him in there, he's running the ball.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
You know how many he's got the past a few,
But he's not really much of He's not that guy.
I mean, he's kind of philled.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Lindsay two point zero you know, like when you put
him out there, you know what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Okay, you know you're not.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
With all I mean all good respect, all right, you're
not putting Jaliel out there to you know, to take
on Khalil mack Off the edge who can't.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Take on Khalil Macoff days though, I mean, I mean
running back.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Then put JK out there to chip and you're not
puting Jalil Juliet get Jilio will look like a neat.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
On a windshield. Anybody look like a net on wiz.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
You know, you put you put j K out there,
He's at least going to put something on. You know,
he's at least gonna gonna him hit it. Two twenty five,
two thirty is at least able to put weight on you,
whereas you' Lee McLoughlin, who's sixty pounds later than JK.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Dobbins. I understand that. I'm just saying, like, like the people
don't realize that, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I just I feel like Jalil is one of Sean's guys.
I don't I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm just saying,
and that's probably the reason he's on the roster right now.
But that to me, the clock's ticking because at some
point you're gonna have to make some decisions.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
And carry the freight on the fourth running back we
don't use.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Yeah yeah, well, I mean you're gonna keep four running
backs anyway, not today's game.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Most people keep three.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
And one on the practice Yeah, most rosters are three
and one on the practice squad. See, I mean we
had last year. Last year we had what Davante Davonte
jalil and estimate it was only three Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
No, they don't. We had a practice squad. But today, Okay,
I'm just saying.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Like we don't, like most teams don't carry the freight
on four backs anymore.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
You just can't, you know, all right.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
You know you gonna carry six seven receivers, how are
you going to keep four backs? And the Broncos have
skipped on that because they got what five receivers on
the on the active roster. But it's tough to do
it's tough to do that just roster construct. At some point,
somebody's gonna get hurt. You're gonna have to make a decision,
all right, who am I moving now? In order to
move somebody up here? So that I got somebody for
the game, and.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Your eyeball, Wow, I got this fourth running back that
we don't use. I love the guy, but we don't
use him. So you think he keeps on practice squad?
Do you think he just I.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Mean if he cuts Juli, I think he bring him
back to the pre to the practice squad. Yes, but
I think the clock's sort of ticking there. Man, Like
you brought in guys, his skill sets redundant with r J.
Harvey here, you bring in Vaughan, who's another like Jalil's.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Archie.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Harvey does everything that Julia mcloffin does. Yeah, but then
some but that was the case. Yeah yeah, but I
mean that was even with Javonte. I mean he had
a different skill set, you know, well he did. Yeah,
Jalil did things Chavante doesn't.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
He's got the wheels. I call him Joeheels McLoughlin. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
you know we're running like you know, there's a different style.
But now you got art and it makes it redundant.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
And you bring in who's Vaughan, who's again very similar
as smallest back who can't pass bro and you know,
you know what you do. You try to get lost
in the wash behind the line and pop him free.
But why was you Is that a latteral move? I mean,
you know why, I don't think it's a lateral move.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
I think you bring.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Vaughn's a body, But Juliel I think is better. But
I mean I don't think that either one or RB
one or RB two on anybody's roster, you know, I
mean I think both those guys are eight touch of
game guys. You know, you put a couple, you give them,
you get out there, you give them ten snaps, eight touches.
You try to get up you know, either a screen
pass or you try to get him lost in that wash,
bond the offensive line and pop one on a on
(16:46):
a second short.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
You know, So are you saying you're thinking they're going
to do something different with Tyler Bendega Gold.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Give him another shot.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
I think he's got one more shot at trying to,
you know, do what he does in practice and take
that to the game. I think the clock's tacking on
him in terms of, Yeah, you got to produce in
the game. You can't get a case of the tight
cheeks and do that. Do whatever it was, whatever it
was you were doing in that game. Yeah, yeah, he
had a rough one. He had had a rough one
just in the past, in the past catching you know. Yeah,
he's looked like he had nerves with for four drops
(17:20):
something like that. He had with six balls throw his
way and came away with two of them. One of
them was kind of off target, but there were a
couple of hit him in the hands and I'm like,
he's looking at his hands like that ain't the part
that's broken. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Yeah, I still think first game of the year. This
is really the first game. I mean, and because preseason
there there really isn't a preseason right for.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
The starters and the guys that play a lot.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I talked about that it was one of this is
one of the reasons that I think going to three
preseason games hurts, and you've got to find a way
to get your starters more reps out of those three games.
There's not as much opportunity to do it because come
in unpolished, they're not gonna do.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Because of the chance of somebody getting injured, and it's
like it feels like it's it's worthless. I saw the
documentary documentary on h on JK. Dobbins when he played
in the preseason, got hurt in the final preseason game,
and he's like, ah, man, and you know.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Everybody on the team was a little bit upset about that. Yeah,
I mean, I don't know. Hey, if you if you
don't get hurt, you don't get hurt in the preseason.
You don't have want to get hurt, obviously, But it's
just I don't know what's my injury settle.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
There is no easy answer for for that, right, But
you gotta find a way to when we can get
into this on the other side of that, we gotta
break here. But you gotta find a way to come
out with it together and not look like you're practicing
in a game.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
You know what I mean. Rocco's country died back after this.
What's the name car? What are you talking about? You
know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
The game left in the game when I half to
I fired up the deep cross or against Zeros. And
I get the concept. I mean I get the concept. Right,
you look at this thing, you try to put it away.
I get the concept. I just think it's poor decision making.
I think you, I think you look at this and
you you if you're scared of kicking a field goal,
which in this particular case, you're and I'm using scared pejoratively,
but you don't want to kick the field goal because
you're worried about a flukey block, scoop and score, which,
(19:19):
for Sean Payton has happened. Happened against the Chiefs game,
the block field goal. Did it happened to Sean Payton
when Vance Joseph was the head coach of the Broncos,
You remember that when Will Parks and the scoop and
score and all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yep, yep, it has happened.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
You know, it's been a thing that's happened to Sean
Payton before. So maybe he gets a little case of
the tight cheeks when it comes to like that kind
of stuff. But I'm not dialing up a deep crosser
on fourth and eight for midfield with fifty eight seconds
to go. We're rolling out and I'm pooch punting that
thing down down forty something yards.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Bro, I had to kick that. I mean, you're you're
eighty five percent on the field goal money, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
You're percent of the field goal will money, You're thirteen
percent to convert a fourth and eight, Bro, And or
if you punt.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Now you're eighty eight percent to hold them from scoring.
I like this. To me, it's just I was like,
this is the least best option of all these. Well,
I'm sure Sean. Sean's a smart guy. He has a
reason for it. I don't know what it was. But
for me, I would let Will money Less do his thing. Yeah,
(20:27):
I would have punted in that situation. I wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
I would have kicked field kick the field goal, all right,
I'm mad at.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I'm ad at. I would have ponted.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
My options would have been pooch, punt, field goal, anything
else than what they did.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Anything else, like if you're.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Gonna run a play, run a play, like I get
I get it because in the postgame pressor he's like, yeah,
we knew we were gonna get we knew we're gonna
get a zero.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Look, yeah, well cut was open, he was. I didn't
get the bo couldn't get couldn't see him though, right,
And I think this is this is the problem.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Most people look at that screenshot and you can see
Courtly kind of coming open on that screen shot. I
thought which to say, if you switch to a broadcast angle,
you can see the problem is that the pressure was
in Bow's face already at that point.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
He's back pedaling to try to get the thing. That's
the problem with a zero look.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Okay, we're gonna have man on the outset, but that
means that dude is coming and I gotta get rid
of it. And so that it created sort of a quandary,
is in we got the look we wanted, but are
we going to have the protection to be able to
hold up to get that thing out? You know, in
this particular case, we didn't, and we saw what happened.
I just I don't know, man, there's a lot of
game mismanagement I saw throughout the league. In Week one,
(21:33):
you go back to the Baltimore Buffalo game, I don't
know if you saw the end of that one thirty
seconds left, the Baltimore Ravens called their last time out.
That allowed that allowed Buffalo to come out and kneel
it down one more time and then walk their field
goal unit on and kick the game winning field goal.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
You don't call the time out of thirty seconds.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
You wait for that thing to get down to about
eighteen where they can't make the Chinese fire drill, and.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Then you're going to get a player two.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
We saw last night an a gregious mistake by special
teams not kicking that ball through the end zone or
just kicking it out of balance and taking the flag
because who cares what the yardage is?
Speaker 1 (22:08):
You need that two set.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
You don't have any timeouts. You needed them to run
a play so that only ran two seconds. You're gonna
get the ball back and fifty seconds left. Instead they
get it back with nine seconds left and they couldn't
do anything.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Hey, man, guess what this is the first game for everybody.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Well, these are professional coaches, I know, man, but I
shouldn't be sitting here.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
This is really like our first preseason game. It counts.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
So your boy has got in game management services consulting
the starting Call me up, I got to you want
to do the wuch.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Boy on, I will do it. I will. I will
be your end guy.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I have played so many games of Madden over the
course of my life that my in game clock skills
like of all the thing, the less the one thing
that Madden can actually teach people and is down to
the second how to how to manipulate the clock at
the end game.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
And I will tell you, like I'm a bonehead when
it comes to something.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
That's the reason I'm sitting here with a microphone front
of my mouth instead of being out there doing something.
I'm a genius when it comes to indigating clock management,
I am. I am the Alpha and the Omega.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, the timing down, Oh my god, let me tell
you calculating. I gotta calculated.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I can tell you where's That's what I'm saying, Like
I no doubt of the second, you need to be
at about between sixteen and eighteen seconds on that time
out with Buffalo, because then they can't run a play
to try to run anything down in case anything happens,
they don't have enough time to get their guys along.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I can tell you now of the second. Why don't
they have a guy telling them that?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
If I can do it, I know these billion dollar
organizations can find a guy.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
To do it.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
I'm sure there's somebody that would like to do that
for them. They may not contracted them out yet.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Man. I mean, that's why I'm saying you need to
spread the words Hall of Fame. Staua boy. It's all
bright and all right. He can management guru is sitting
right here waiting to come help your NFL team the
best look. I would put my skills up up against
anyone else and just saying I would tell Brian. Now,
it was against the Broncos, so maybe I wouldn't tell
(24:03):
Brian Callahan, but I would tell Brian Callahan that the
rule is if you have an elbow in bounds, accounts
as a catch, and you could challenge that.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
He apparently did not know that. They just went on,
let it go.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah, how do you You're a football life Your dad
is Bill Calai. You've been around football your whole life.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
How do you not know that rule? Hey? Man, some
things you're too nice? He goes right by sometimes oh
the two one four in the text line.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
To me, the only way Denver loses that game is
to do exactly what Sean Payton did.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Man, we got away with it.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
I mean, if those Titans receivers had caught either one
of them can Ward passes, and by the way, hats
off to cam Ward, if that line didn't show it,
that guy had a game.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Tennessee's got the right coat. They may not right have
the right head coach, but they got the right quarterback.
I think they uh Football Focus had him at a
fifty something rating. I don't know what that mean. I
don't pay attention to them. Cam wore played ball, he
did do caball And I remember said prior to the game.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
That we got to have a healthy amount of respect
because we never know what kind of game the young
guys are going to have. Some guys come out, they freeze,
They you know, they're worried about a thousand different things.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
He looked poised, he looked in charge. Yes, yeah, dude,
I mean you saw that, and you could see it
early on. So he was a pass I think it
was the gunner helm coming across and he's sort of
the right hand side. I think gunner didn't get it,
gives feed in or something like that. But uh, you
could see it early on. Like this guy, you can
make them throws outside the numbers. He's you know, he's
on point. It doesn't look rushed staring up the same
(25:32):
you distribute it all over the place.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yeah, and it never looked.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Panicked versus you go watch Caleb Williams said, another number
one overall pick and it.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Looks a little antsy in the pocket.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Then yeah, you know, and they wouldn't do it much either, Yeah,
well with all do Yeah, well either one. You know
early on look a little Nancy in that particular game,
but it is what it is. Uh the seven one
nine wor's Jerry Rossberg When you need him clock management consulting.
He takes back selling hyperbary chambers. Actually, I think that's
what he That's what he was doing with.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
That's what he's doing. But George brought him in.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I man, Jarah Osburg had this team like the for
two games there, Jared Osburg had his team Almond.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
I was mad at him, him and uh, who was
gosh what was this?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Justin Oughten when they when they made aton the off
of you know, gave off the play and all a
sudden we were doing all this exotic stuff on offense
and I was like, oh oh yeah, okay, yeah, that
was one of those Jerry. I think he's back. I'm
pretty sure he's back selling hyperbaric chambers. Justin Oughten's with
the Seahawks doing their run game stuff now, okay, but yeah, that.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Was that was what I know. But I just I
know it's an epidemic.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I notice it every year and it bugs me and
I'm like, how do I how do I get in
front of some of these people? And say, look, you
gotta have a guy for this. You gotta have a
guy that's on the coms line that's telling you, John Harball,
don't call this time out. Let ten seconds go.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Do you think that someone has approached them about that
or do you think that they just aren't aware that
is needed.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I think they're either.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
I think most teams have strategy and analytics guys up
there that should has there are. I don't think those
guys have a loud enough voice in the game experience
because so much of that has been derided or had
eyes rolled all in math. We don't need the nerds
involved in that kind of stuff. And there's a there's
a point to that. You don't need a nerd telling
(27:35):
you the percentage every single time, but you do need
somebody who's saying you're making a mistake here. This is
this is the smart play, John Horriball. You need to
let about eleven seconds run. It's counterintuitive, but let eleven
seconds run off before you burn.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
This time out. It's actually gonna save you time.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
You're going to get a shot at this or you
know what, telling Sean what the percentages are on those
particular plays.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
And I don't know for a fact that they don't
have someone.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
But I will say that those people do not have
uh do not appear to have a loud enough voice
in the room or a loud enough voice on the
line at that time.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
So you're saying that they may no but decide to Hey,
all right, I hear you, but I'm doing this.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Yeah, like I though whoever it is that is trying
to if they've got somebody telling them to do this,
that voice is not getting through and telling that in
an emphatic enough way that they are changing their decision.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Making to do the smart thing.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
But you know, idea sometimes when you well, you feel
like you and his own you're like, hey, man, look
I don't hear that.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Yeah, I hear you, but I'm going with this play.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
And when it works that you feel like a genius.
But that's the outlier. The reality is the smart play
is not to do it. And you got me sit
up your side eye and you're looking at you like
you should have listened to me on this one. Yeah,
but you know, Hall of Fay mustag Grant Smith back there.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Gt.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Five six six nine zero is the text line somebody
texting remind us that Gunner Helm had a great teacher
in high school.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yeah, it's coaching high school day logan. Hey, there we go.
So that was a couple of people buy it into
the conspiracy here thinking the shot Pate was point shaving.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
The spread was eight and a half, Broncos had eight
point lead, spread was eight and a half, and they're like, yeah,
Sean had shout had money on the under, that's why
they didn't kick it.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
No, that's not that's not it. That's that's not so
that that doesn't happen. But we don't take the NFL name, man,
don't do that. That's that's a little much. We had.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Quite a bit of stuff here about a lot of
people hoping that these PSL things isn't trauma tell you
it is like they're they're bringing personal their compani state licenses.
They're bringing them. I don't know that all seats will
be that way, because there's a lot of people that
are upset about this and like, man, I can't afford tickets,
you know.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
And let me ask this question. Are there teams that
tax the citizens and also have p s L. Yeah,
the Browns doubled up, yeah, double dipping. You know, what
can we do?
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Can we do an income tax, an a sales tax.
That's you know, the federal government. Look at the chops
right now. That's what I was somebody was talking about.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
And that's just the thing.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I don't know if you watched the Red Zone Channel,
you know, and a big controversy they had last week
because they were gonna put commercials on it. Yeah yeah,
I heard about that, okay, and then they were like,
we only did one minute of commercials.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
I'm like, bro, that's how they get you.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Well we only put well, we did well, we did
two pennies worth of taxes, and there's two dollars worth
of taxes.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
And that's how they get you. They start you always
only this, only this, they keep adding to it.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
The next thing, you know, you got like a NASCAR
where you got all these patches all over and you
know everything else. That's that's that's how they get you.
They get the foot in the door to get you
used to it. And that's why nobody wanted that on,
you know, on Red Zone Channel. Same thing here, like,
people don't want to be nickeled and dimed out of
this stuff. So while it's a good public relations move
for the Walton Pedig group to say that the stadium
is privately financed, which it will be.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
They're going to tax show in the back end with
those those seat licenses. That's how they're gonna get you.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
That's how they're gonna you know, billionaires don't become billionaires
by giving stuff away for free.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Yeah, but I still believe that.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
The the citizens and the and the fans who love
football should bear that costs more so than just everybody,
even if it's somebody don't I don't care about.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Football, like, but yeah, I'm with it, and I'm with
you on that too, I I you know, that's part
of the reason people talk about some of the taxes
that are out there, said, you know, just a broad
based sales tax versus a tax on certain items or whatever.
Like for instance, with the marijuana stuff. You know, I
have been known to use a gummy or too. I'm
willing to pay little taxes on that versus the people
that don't sleep.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Sleep man. I needed to give me to sleep man.
You can use some what's that other stuff called a CBD. No,
I try to trick it. You should have seen your face.
It was worth it. It was some natural stuff. But
try to let it work for me. Come on, man,
you didn't melt tone and all that. Yeah, I took
(31:49):
the tone.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
I tried to overdo it to a whole bottle that
wouldn't let me go to sleep. What mine, Samia? You
got a problem one a hundred, I don't know anyway,
We gotta we gotta get another break bath. I appreciate
you coming to stay. Jongles cutting Nae backup for this
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