09-15-25 Hour 1 of Broncos Country Tonight with Steve Atwater

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Hall of Famer Steve Atwater Hall of Fame producer
Grant Smith back there five six six nine zero is
the text line, man fellas, what a uh what a
disappointing ending to a game that I think surprised many.
You and I nickad talked about this. We felt like
that game was gonna be a little tighter. I think
that people fought. But man that that I mean, he

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he's a good football team. People underestimated that offense we've seen.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
We see that now. Yeah, because Miami they were, you know,
they look so bad. Yeah against them. Uh so we
were like, hey, well maybe maybe they're not that good.
Maybe uh it was just Miami's bad. No, they're they
playing good football.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
I think the other thing is that most people when
they looked at Daniel Jones, they looked at Daniel Jones
from his days with the New York Giants.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Jones what they forgot.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
I mean he he took that same journey Sam Donald took.
And what I mean by that he went to Minnesota.
He was involved in somewhat of a uh Kevin O'Connell offense,
which is similar to what we see with Kyle and
Sean McVay.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
That Mike Shanahan.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Would typically run, so Dan Jones got a chance to
see sit back, observe and fine tweeen fine tune his
playmaking ability. And then Shane Syken did a great job
for me. I thought it was a great game plan
because the way that you stifle or you make it
difficult for pass rush as talented as the Broncos had

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to get to the quarterback, get the ball up your
hands with timing and rhythm, and that's exactly what he did.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Give them, give him play action looks and get the
quick game going and get it out quick.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
And that that they did. They ate him up with it.
As soon as the Broncos went to play and off
they hit him with the hitch.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Uh if they you know they were they were on
trail that they started running the drag right across the
field on them.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
I mean it was yeah, they had they did. They
had the answers.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Shane Stiken had the answers that you gotta as much
as it sucks to sit there and eat it because
we took a loss, you got to take the cap
because they had they had the right answers.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Now, and the one thing that I don't like, and
I want to make sure that I reiterate this to
a lot of our listeners because people can be vicious
on social media and the narratives that you well, I
do know that well because some people are idiots because

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they got some money on the line.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
That's a whole different group. That's a whole different group.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
But you know what, I'll say this, I don't mean
to insult you guys as listeners and anyone on Twitter,
but it just frustrats frustrating for me being a former
player listening to the narratives and the narratives that are
now out is that well Van chose got out coach,
and that's not the that's not the case. I mean,
the other team gets paid to and they had an
excellent game plan and you got to tip your cap

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to that offensive line for the Colts because they did
a great job of supplying protection. And if you go
back and watch the game, you're going to see that
the Broncos edge rush had time to get there. There
was moments that they were one or two seconds away
a coverage, but coverage broke down to allow Daniel Jones
to find an open receiver. And I'll say this, I
wasn't in the Broncos meetings today. But I bet one

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of the defensive things that came up was players playing
with bad eyes, because there was a significant amount of that,
and also communication issues. I mean, Ben and I were
at burned Down. Make sure you guys check that out
next time the Broncos playing away game, come and check
us out. But there was a lot of communication breakdown.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
And when coaches sit in the box.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Their job is to chart plays and tell the people
on the field what they saw. And as a player,
you may get away with a certain play and think that,
whoh man, they almost got me for it, Tony.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
But they see it, they say, oh yeah, we last
time coming back to this, so they're gonna come back
to it.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
One of the plays I'm talking about, Ben, and I
think you and I were sitting right next to each
other when this happened. It was one of the first
explosive plays by Jonathan Taylor. And there was Jonathan Taylor
was to the left of Daniel Jones and James Jones
moved him. Now he noticed that the Broncos were in
man coverage. Alex Singer was in the middle linebacker who

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had him in coverage.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
So once he moved him to the right.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
That formed what somewhat of a three by one formation.
The problem was there was no communication through that route,
so when Alex Singleton went to cover his guy, he
was picked off by the person in the nickel spot,
so he couldn't get there. Dame Jones was like, oh,
this is like a screenplay. Let me give it to
my guy right now. If you want to see that,
I got that play up on my social media. Go

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check that out at Nick Ferguson underscored twenty five and
it breaks down that play in detail.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
So it wasn't the scheme, It wasn't vance.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Joseph earlier and realized what was that was the first
time they read it right, they got an exposive to play.
They read it again. I think maybe in the second
or third quarter. The Broncos were like, I think it
was on like five yard line and that's when they
got the touchdown because there.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Was communitymmunication issue.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
You can see Singleton looking at PS two like am
I coming the receiver or the back?

Speaker 2 (05:05):
And then the back was able to get leak out.
Can't do that. You gotta talk too late the game.
As the coach, well, well you got what you get
in the game. You do.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
But you and I both know this is that there's
a process.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
Sometimes you talk about whether you're going to in and out?
You know what I'm saying, there you go, that's basically are.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
Are we going to in and out? How we how
we want to play this? Because if we're not gonna
in and out, I need to make sure I press
my guy so I don't kind of run into you,
because if we both are off the ball, guess what, Yeah,
that's the problem. Someone's gonna get picked. And that's exactly
what they did.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
There were there were several instances where it looked like
there was there were communication or lack of communication on
some of those plays. Several times where you had two
linebackers sitting in the same spot.

Speaker 5 (05:50):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
You had one where a safety was in an area
that didn't appear to me like you should have been in. Uh.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
There were there.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Were several instances that just didn't It didn't look like
either the defense. I don't know if it was it
was communication. I don't know if it was unsure of
where they were supposed to be. I tend not to
blean that way because you've been in this defense for
a couple years now, you should know.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Where you're supposed to be, not really not really been.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Because I played on teams and T Steve you can
speak to this where we went over a game plan.
We thought everyone knew what they needed to do. It
was a great week of practice. We get in the game.
Guys get tired. And the first thing that happens when
you get tired at any game, that.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Brain of yours, that CPU chip shuts that decision making.
It's like, this is a this is a real thing though,
that's not kidding. It's a real thing.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Less oxygen to the brain, your decision making matrix deteriors.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
That's sets science.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
But you know the one thing that early on in
my career, Charlie Waters, every game we had a test
and they put all the different adjustments that they would
do and we had to mark off what our responsibilities.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Were and what and that made you think and that
I think helps seem.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
In it in my mind, and I'm sure a lot
of other guys too.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
And also the coaches know who knows their stuff who doesn't.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Very very true and just like any tests that's distributed,
usually there may be some assistance that that he's provided
to help an individual past that test. And when I
was here with David Gibbs, Alex gives son, we used
to have tests, right, and I'm not gonna say who
it was, but we knew that this person wasn't on

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on on on the game because on every part of
the sheet that they had to write end like how
many players they had, like twelve paid players?

Speaker 2 (07:37):
They had like twelve players. Yeah, y'all will help them out. No,
not at that point, there's no helping out. You got
twelve players. Maybe maybe they had they had a referee
on the No, they.

Speaker 6 (07:48):
Had, no, No, that's no, they had they had a
late Saturday night that.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, I mean, and I don't Again, I'm not in
the room. I don't know how to explain some of
that away. But you guys have been that. You guys
have been in those rooms. You've been in those situations.
When you get to Monday, you're sitting down, you got
it up on the screen, coaches like, all right, roll it,
you know, gets clicker and you start looking at this
and you start seeing that, and you start noticing which
teammates it is.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Oh yeah, everybody sees it.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
What at that point, how do you address that as teammates,
because you know what the coaches are going to do,
But as teammates, how do you number one, make sure
the player understands that they're responsible, they got to pick
the game up. And then number two, do what you
can to uplift them to get them into the places
that they need to be going forward.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Well, the first first thing that we would do is
try to coach a guy up. And it was kind
of a three strike rule. Right, we're gonna help you
the first time.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
You got an example of the guys and you both know,
I'm we all had that experience before. Yeah, So you
tried to.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
You tried to encourage that guy in practice and in
the game, right, and then you sit down with him
and you go over, let's let's let's watch some film.
And then you go out on the field and you say, okay, well,
what what are the issues that you're dealing with.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Let's go ahead and walk through them.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Now, after we try all three of those things and
you don't get it, now, we got to go to
Coach Shanahan and the leadership council.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Let's say, we got to make some changes.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
Coach yeah, yeah, But also I mean the coaches have
an idea that doing practice because it's not the first
time this happened. It's normally not the first time. It
just doesn't pop up in the game if had prop
up in practice. Yeah, I mean, and that was my experience.
Guys who made those dinner areas in practice, they also

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did it in the game.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
The game they did the same thing in practice. Yeah,
I guess I could see that.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
I mean, but but at that point, and if you're
having that problem them, then is it incumbent upon the
coaching staff to make that change? Is it the front
office to get better personnel in there?

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Is it? Is it? You know, at that point where.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Does where does the responsibility for correcting the issue come down?
As because I can understand it from a teammate perspective,
I sort of get it, and that you know, you
can do what you kind of can do what you
can to kind of help your buddy out. But then
there comes a point where you gotta want it, you
got to get it. Yeah, and then at that point
where you know, so we're at that point though, we're
past that where you.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
Know, back in the day, some of the guys who
weren't getting it were also the guys who were out.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
You know what I'm saying, they're hanging out right, And
I'm not saying you know what I mean though, I
know what you mean. You're talking about partying on Friday
and Satura night. Yeah. Yeah, And so it's like, well,
we know why you don't. You don't get it because
you're not You're not invested. And that's the thing. It
has to be important to the player, right, it has
to be like, this has to be your top priority. Man,

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You're in the NFL, bro, how do you walk out
in the field and I know what the heck is?

Speaker 3 (11:00):
This is what I tried to explaining to fans, because
you think, because the guys in the NFL, and he's
getting paid a significant amount of money, more money than
you make, that his attention to detail is going to
be at a high level.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
It's the opposite. Sometimes some guys it's like I got fed.
I don't I already got my money. Right With certain guys,
is that okay?

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Well, how is it that the organization sees me because
your coution is well, you start looking at those players,
you know, is it personnel, whatever it is? And how
does a coach adjust to it? Sometimes as a coach,
And this is where coaches got to get out of it,
because the most important thing is winning. Your guy may
be the guy that is constantly making mistakes, and everyone,

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even when they're wrong, they want to make themselves right.
They know in their hearts and hearts they are they're wrong,
but they stick with something they know doesn't really fit
what they're doing because they've already told a lie to
themselves and they have to go and live that lot.
And you have to look at that player said with

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the player that I drafted, I said it on the
table for or I vouched for a free agency. This player,
for some reason, he's not getting it. So you go
talk to the coach, well, what's the problem is it
the scheme? Why is it the player not functioning well
in this particular scheme. And then sometimes, depending on the player,
you may change the scheme to protect that player, but

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you can't protect him all the time because we know
in this game, if you have a problem, they're gonna
find you and they're gonna exploit you.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
That's their job exactly. The weekend and week out, your
jobs go get wins. What do you say how you're
gonna get wins? Well, let's take a look at the take.
How can I exploit them? And that's they can't see
They can't see it at the house right now?

Speaker 6 (12:48):
The need.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Was that? Mean?

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Did you get me for hold? Yeah? I tell my
kids when they put those hands up, put those hands
hands in your time? Like what did I know? When
I look at this game?

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Still there are some their pros and their cons and
I'm not in the full panic with this team because
the things that I'm seeing they're all correct right Because
in the first game, what.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Would the issues have been?

Speaker 3 (13:16):
I said, as soon as soon as it happened, when
the first played with JK. Dobbins, the run playoff the right,
I said, man, seemed like someone listened to us. Ben
So week one, the run game didn't gain traction.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Into the fourth quarter.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
They started off the bugles, that is, running the balls,
and there was some improvement. So to me, it's the
small things have turned into large things for this team.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
But they can fix these.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Still having some issues with both throwing the football.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
In fact, they're two weeks.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
He's PFF's lowest graded passer in the NFL and it's
not particularly close. And I watched justin fields play, so
I don't know how that happened, but it's you know,
for those of you that missed this, what was a
three of nineteen performance yesterday before he got concussed and
knocked out or whatever it was, it was, he had
twenty yards passing at the half, could not throw the
ball to save Yeah, there was all that mess, all

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that miss.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Well, let me ask you this question because Coach Payton
was asked this earlier last week and he did not
take well to being asked this particular question as it
retains to improvement meter being used to count kind of
evaluate bo and I know that coach doesn't want to
use that, but every single player production basically continue continuing

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a week over week to get better those fays.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
Okay, so people are asking you about the leap in
year two, and you know, to be honest with you.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
There hasn't been one.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Both playing at a level that's that's sort of less
than when he made his kind of jump last year.
It's somewhere in between those first six weeks and you
know how he ended the season. He's playing kind of
somewhere in the middle there. And it's not the protection.
I mean, the pass pro is held up really well.
This year, for the most part, there are few players.
Maybe I saw wat Keep blown up on a play.
There are a couple of plays it's been iffy, but
most of the pass pros hold up.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Mostly the receivers find ways to get open.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Troy Franklin was was a one man cold in Indianapolis.
He was the only one catching it. He was the
only one coming down with it when they threw the
ball his way. But you see separation. So it's not
a not with every receiver a separation issue. And we're
all smiling right now, but I'm gonna let that go.
So it's it's not the quarterback has had an issue. Uh,
and and getting certain people involved too.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
Quarterback, you said the quarterback has an issue and getting
people involved.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Getting certain people involved. I see, I was gonna talk
about Angram.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
I see it a lot different because it's it's not
on the quarterback to get individuals involved because each depending
on the play, per possession, there may be different guys
that he needs to see in that progression. Who is
the primary or the secondary option. In this game, we
saw unlike the first game where it's assuming everything was

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going to courtland, this game everything was going to Troy Franklin.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
And my biggest thing is when hell is Evan Ingram.
That's what I'm getting at.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
He was told, we were told, even though I hate
this word, he was going to be the joker, but
right now it seems as though he is in Arkham.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Well now, I think the joke was on us, because
you know, yeah, we got Harley Quinn and not the Joker.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
And I'm just saying, I don't.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Know if you guys missed my man joke. When I said, yeah,
I got you, I'm like, okay a second. I know
it's not like the comic book individuals around here.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
I'm a NERD's okay, But that's where I seen. I mean,
Evan Ingram's right now.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
He isn't locked up in Arkham because he's not being
utilized right.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
And but you go back and watch the tape on it,
you'll see he's open.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
So why he got the first read? Well, no, not
on most of this.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
I mean I don't I don't exactly know the read,
but I can kind of guess it from the route combo.
And he's usually like the two or three guys or
the use him. They used to be a couple of
times it's just a clearout. You know they'd clear him
out to But you know, Frank and I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
To be a clear off guys, you're not paying a
clear out money. You can't get any of the.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Wide receiver on the team to clear out. No, I mean,
you were supposed to be me being air quotes. I
hate saying this word, but I'm saying for this this
this case the joker right, Well, but you got you
got Lucas Croll and Adam Trumpman out there when.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
You were supposed to be the guy.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
You know who was the joker in that game? Who's
that Tyler Warren? Boy, they lined him up, they put
him in line.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Field. That's a joker. Tyler wanted the ball. That's that's
a cold there boy. That was the tight end.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
When we were talking about, you know guys who we
wanted the Broncos to drift, he was definitely one.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Of those guys.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
I was like, man, if the Broncos can get that
guy at tight end.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
But they also got the ball to him and they
made it. That's another thing.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
Too, because it can't have a guy yeah, give him
the ball, because if he was on the team, he
was getting the ball.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Nobody would even notice. That's and that's sort of point.
What good to lambo if you're leave it in the garage?
We got him break, We'll be back after this.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Saw Ryan shoeing walk by you and is I'm on
Ross Saint Brown Jersey, come on man, suh.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Well he's from Detroy, so it's you know, he came
out to the bird down, hung out with myself.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah, Ryan's shillings. Uh, fandom runs deep.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
I don't know if there's any other individuals who fandom
and them laughing because we're being out with there on
game day he's.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Head to toe Detroit Broncos watch party.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
Yes, And I said, uh, then I think I don't
know if that was wife. And his girlfriend mentioned something
about that he has on a Detroit Lions underwear and I.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Was like, oh, it might be more than I needed
to know.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
Yes, yes, so I said, uh, noring Ryan, he probably
has the Detroit Lions name kind of engraved on the.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Hero on his backside. And he was like yeah, it
was so bigger than all right, who is?

Speaker 3 (19:00):
It was just like, well, so, Nick, are you suggesting
that you want to see that?

Speaker 2 (19:03):
I was like no, no, it's just like he was like,
He's like, I don't know you say you guys. It
was like Nick is sounding like he wants to see im,
try to you know me, I'm trying to start something everything.
I'm antagonistic a man that fandom man fandom runs. But
do you know what, man, I respect that.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
I respect that because I wouldn't want our Broncos fans
to go to Detroit and then have to put on
Detroit line.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
No, no, yeah, Ripe team, That's what I'm saying. I'm
mad at it. You know.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
He showed up, but he did show up, and he
was It was fun getting to see him and some
of the other people. Jodie Jordan showed up a little
bit late, but he was there. We had a bunch
of the people, so y'all gotta come down to the
burn down on the Away Games.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Man. We had a real good time. We got to
get that treatment. I struggled to give away.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Those Chris Brown tickets though to get away, and I
was struggling to get those away. I went over this
crowd of women that were sitting at one of the tables.
I was like, you guys registered for the Chris Brown
tickets and She's like bruise easy.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
I can't go to that show.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
And I was like, oh my god, oh my god,
out there, we got the problem.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
We got to give it away.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
We got the Broncos tickets to the Bengals game, giving
away all this stuff like hold against him.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Amen, that was like maybe run it back or something.
I don't know. No women in a law memory, I'm yeah,
you don't need to have a short memory.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
Those the the Broncos looking at the Special Teams blunder
here at the end. It's interesting watching the fan based
on this, because the fan base is all melting down, said,
you can't call that.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
It's not fair. But man, that is a textbook example
of that penalty. You can't do that. I felt that
way too the Broncos the game. I'm not I'm not
going to even people trying.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
To pretend it doesn't get people trying to pretend to
get called. Broncos were the beneficiaries of that call just
last year against the Raiders. You were the beneficiary is
of one of those calls against the Raiders last year.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
But okay, So I've been having this conversation with so
many people and uh A Rod who works here does
a lot of ad Digitus stuff and works with Mandy Conno.
He and I have it in this exchange. You can
feel the jump jump in on it. And had Nick
ferguson Underscore twenty five and he was saying, well, the
idea is that it's really.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Called and you don't call it in that situation.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
And I'm like, says, who oh, if somebody's holding the
ars down on a hail Mary, you've got to call
defense and holding.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
I don't know it, So let me tell you something
about that.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
That was one of the plays in the NFL that
no one usually is penalized on hell Mary plays, if
any play is most that time.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Right.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
But just because it's never been called on a consistent basis,
and just because there's a critical moment in the game
doesn't mean that you don't call it. The idea is
that you don't do it. And now I got people
on social media saying, well, hey, they didn't call it
for the Coats.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
I'm like, well, you're not.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Seeing it with the proper eyes, because you're saying, hey,
look at this defender from the Coats with his hands
on the Broncos players showed him like that, you realize
he's trying to get skinny, and his hand is on
that guy's shoulder because the guy's trying to block him
from his waist.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Down and he's trying to maintain his balance. So they're
not the same thing.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Not launching and using a player to launch and then
landing over plus you get the one second, plus you
got the run ups.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Like there's all.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
And if you guys want the rule, it's ruled twelve
dash three wash one r It was revised in twenty
seventeen to be the way that it is now.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
And so if you guys want to get in the
NFL rule book, you're welcome to. I'm gona tell you
right now, you're gonna lose that argument. To me, every day,
it was a textbook penalty, and that's unfortunately because it's
not on us.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
It's unfortunately the finest question is what we do in
that To begin with, it's a sixty yard field goal
with a rookie who'd never made anything longer than forty five.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Just stand up there and get vertical. Don't worry about it.
So the question that one asked me, and I'll talk
to that to you guys.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Did the Broncos players where they are aware of the
rule before that play, even.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
In soon, I mean you had you have to be
aware of that. It's been around for almost a decade.
You got to beware the rod. Here's what coach Sean
Payton said about it.

Speaker 5 (22:42):
That's on me in that situation. And look, it's not
on Darren. It's not on Tilman with a sixty yard
field goal attempt. It's different. The alignment got wrong and
the call was correct. You can defensive line you can
push down on the back of the center, and offensive

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lineman you can push down on the back specific specifically,
if you're gonna go internally on the guards, you can
push down. You can't push to jump. So a common
block would be to push down with one player and
then to clear jump with another. The alignment got The

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alignment got mixed up between Tillman and uh one of
the other tackles. The call was correct that that was leveraging.
You can't you can't put your hands and to elevate
yourself off one of your own guys or off one
of the opponent players. But my my big regret flying

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home was you know that's that's more for a closer
field goal. You know that's that's more for a gimme
than than a sixty yard attempt, and uh, and that's
on me.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
It was good to see coach take responsibility for that
there because that was the what are you doing moment
when they lined up for that, because when they lined
up with the field goal, because I said it, when
we're standing there at the table, this looks weird. This
is not their usual alignment because they went they went
Normally they go six by four.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
They were four by six there, and I'm like, this
is not their usual alignment. They're coming after this? Why
are you coming after a sixty yarder?

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Just get vertical, go find you remember what they put
procoss while we're out there years ago.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Why'd you the tallest guy with the highest vertical.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
You can't put him in the middle and just try
to get the kickers, you know, get that rookie kicker's
head to make him missing.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
This is sixty yards.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Yeah, But the one thing that I saw watching it
back is I don't know who the exact player is,
but it looked like he was trying to press down,
like he was trying to pull the center down right.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
To clear for the next guy. Soak trying to pull
him down to get off. You can't put your hands
on him.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
The rules are really specific and it's all about players safety, yep.
And they're trying to protect that long snapper or that
guy in that particular position position because his head is
down there, his neck is exposed.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
And then to ask why they voted unanimously in twenty
seventeen to change.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
A rule to that, right, and then one of the
one of the Broncos players.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Fell on top of him, right, So you can't put.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
Yourself in that situation. If you go back and watch
the play, you're going to see one of the one
of the officials, he's kind of looking around, kind of
kind of bending his body to make sure that he
is seeing what he is seeing. So, if you are
today a Broncos fan and you're upset and you're saying
that the Broncos lost the game because of that play,

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you're not being realistic about what you saw for sixty minutes.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Let me ask this question.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
You know how many times coaches will if they've seen
a team do something, the coach, you go to the
referee and hey, make sure you learn of course, if
you think that this possibly is happening, and the coach
coach possibly what to ref.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Hey, make sure you look for this because they they're
gonna put them.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Yes, there's no different than when I played a game
and there was a particular guard or alignment who would
hold all the time.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
I'm going talking to.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
The rev mister ref Hey WAT sixty nine.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
I don't know if you guys watch him on take,
but he holds a lot, right, he holds so much.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
Man, he should be called a dump truck because he
holds so much. But that's what I would tell ref
to kind of put it in their minds before the game,
to let.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Them know, watch this particular guy.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's to me you look at that.
And first of all, it should never come down to that.
I hit it with fans blame something on an end
of game play because I'm like, it never should have
come to that to begin with. You execute it right
on other things. And we can get into all that,
but that. The thing that bothered me was how many
people online were obsessed with saying we got robbed, rigged

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all that kind of stuff, and I'm like, we really didn't, man.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
We committed an unfortunate.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Penalty at the end of the game that probably should
have been a position to commit that penalty in the
first place.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
I'm not gonna lie. I said the same thing. I'm
right there with your brother.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
Hey man, right now, this is why you a BCT
right now, to get this knowledge and get.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
This healing man. Yeah, Steve Steele, like, I don't wan
any part of that blanket. Man. I'm just saying I understand.
But it's still in the moment they took points off
the poor they did, That's why they did.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
I must didn't hear you, right, I said, Tyler Warren
is just kind of, in my opinion, just just slightly
below Sam Reporter, No, did you think he's better than
them right now?

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yes, he will be. I mean I think he is.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
Right now, you got to hitch in this, Gideo, Yeah,
I think you got you got.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
What he and like, he looks like you got rockers.
You got a hand cried, And I think.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Tyler Warren's on the bottom level of that tier, right
that top tier right there, and go.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
In Isaiah likely from the Baltimore Ravens. Oh, he's been hurt,
he won't be when.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Well, I know he's been hurt, but I'm just saying
he's one of those guys. Yeah, and uh who he
Mike de Seki. He's another one the tight ends in
the game now, man, are ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah, it's shame. You saw what having a barrow yesterday? Yeah,
man burrows out real. Yeah it was six months though.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Well, okay, so I I knew what the injury was.
I got a buddy on staff there. I texted Grant
yesterday before all the reporting came out on it. He's
got turf toe with some torn Ligermans in his in
his toe, He's gonna be out, uh at least eight weeks.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Hey, let me tell you, man, most people think of
that about turf toe as somewhat of a simplistic sounds like,
oh he got a Bruce Dion had it. And this
is how I got mine. I was at Georgia Tank
and there was a guy on our team and his
name Carlos Smith. He was sitting next to and they

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were doing rehab with his toe where they put a
towel on it.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
He was pulling back and he was pulling it all.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
Sideways and he had tears in his eyes, and I
was like, hey, you better man over there crying over
a toe. They said, God works some mysterious ways.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
That day. Guess what happened.

Speaker 4 (29:18):
The same day you and the int In my career,
I had it in both toes.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
So after games I would sit there at home and
just sitting there just kind of rotating my toe because
he was an agonizing pain.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
We play on our toes all the time. So you
didn't have to sit out any games. No, I didn't
want to.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Now if you wanted to, well, they always tell you
there's always you can always do surgery, and I'm like,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
I'm not trying to do surgery.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
We're gonna take that mug up and put a still place.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
You're trying to play on turf toe. I'm not even
trying to come to the office. That's a bus off.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Yeah, yes, I'm telling you, man, turf toe hurts. You
know what's like It's like jamming your your your thumb
because underneath it's a big toe.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
You have two bones.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
I think they're called Sesimry boy bones, and you kind
of break those bones a little and then you mess
up those ligaments.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
It makes it difficult. So is he getting surgery?

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, he's out for two, a man of them, and
right now they've got Jake Browning. But They've been made
some Ma and Corey's that brought Dora Thoms and Robinson
for workout today. They made some calls about Malik Willis
from the Packers and an interesting call no to the
New York Giants to.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
See if Jameis Winston is available Jamous office. That'd be fun. Yeah,
we got Probas cuts your dad back after this. I
know I'm better than this. Like, I'm just praying for
the Lord to deliver me from pick sixes.