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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I always got this mustache looking smooth. Look at that
he turned the beared off. You can see the thing.
It's feathered. It's lethal. Look at that.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
There we go, There we go. For if it's with
the nineteen eighties, you would be on a Marlborough billboard.
That's cold. Hey great. Do you use that stuff?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (00:13):
Swap acito on your mustache?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Do you have a specific oil the grooming product? No,
it just looks like this naturally. Wow. I was trying
to get a sponsorship deal there. But well, yes, you
never heard my No, nobody heard no swavecito? Yeah, swap
what that is?
Speaker 4 (00:28):
What is?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
What is the This is the ship Pool grooming crip.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Well they have you know what you don't use you
don't have any, but I had no guys who own
barber shops.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
So it's got the little like yeah thing with the
and it's it's like it's like the cursive old style and.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
It's not It has like a like palm made like
Brothers used to use back in the day. It was
still used with the wave cap. No we're not talking here,
No hod.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
No glow. That's that's when you get your curls rosy.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Remember on the Chappelle show where they go but they're
doing the Prince. When you see that guy with the
souls pour it off.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yeah yeah, you need you need a towel.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
But but the palmide was it looks it looks had
a bazoline type of feel to it. But but brothers
would use it to lay down the waves, throwing the
wave cap. Well with the suavecito, you can use it
to kind of perk up your mustache, like if you
wanted to curl instead of doing the wax.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
You can just use Come on, see too boozy for me?
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Bro, What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
That's not boy never had the rolly fingers mustache looking
like a billion gun.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
First of all, brothers mustache.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Mustache.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
We can't we can't get it.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Then, to be fair, the white guy mustache doesn't work
like that. On't time me.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I'm just saying somehow, it looks like I have perpetually
in my teenage years with thisperpair like it's terrible.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Grant looked like he had that mustache when it was like, ok.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Seventeen, ye I'm saringies my forties looking like, you know, looking.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Like a with the meme man ridiculous. Speaking of things
that look terrible. We're gonna get what you have to.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Say things that looked terrible, because let's be totally honest,
it wasn't terrible. Then, I know you have some vincing
we feel terribly yes about it?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Or I didn't think that score was terrible in the
final score, No, I didn't. I do I did not
any score were on the long side, I was terrible.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Let's see, once again, we're asking the wrong person to
give their judgment because Ben lives in a dark and
gloomy area, just like like if if.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
You cross the streets.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
What those little rainbow teddy bears when we were kids
growing up?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Nothing about rainbows man or whatever? They were bears? Yeah,
cameras cares.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
You know you're feeling me right now.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Then was the care bear?
Speaker 4 (03:07):
His care bear would be dark and gloomy with lightning
all over it, because sometime you had a bear? No,
I didn't, I said you. I said, do you remember?
I didn't say I hadn't?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Which played cares? Which one were you?
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Again? No?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
No?
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Was the rainbow flight either?
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Oh you're my little pony guy, got it? Not?
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Really?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Keep trying the eighties, but you haven't hit it. Just
yet uh he was. He was the was.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
It was the Fly and Rescue Rangers. You don't talking
about the chipp and Dale, the little Green.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
I remember Chipping Deal's, but I don't remember a damn fly.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
You remember like the little because you had the you
had the Chip and Dail.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
You're the girl, you had the fat guy Monterey Jack,
and then you had like the little.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
No, there there wasn't a fly And I don't remember
a fly?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
What grant? We're too young for this. Yeah, I don't know.
There was. There was a companion in the Rescue Rangers.
It was like a fly. I'm telling you, Okay, I
believe maybe I'm wrong on the many I'm an idiot.
I don't know anyway, I have some thoughts on this game.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I'm sure you too. But why do you have to
be all doom and gloom? Because I'm mad because there's
dudes that are paid twenty million dollars a year to
make better end game decisions that we made.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
We shouldn't be punting away at four and a half
a yard. Team guy.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
Guy's making a bunch of money and and.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
He making the right decision. They get replaced.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Okay, well, okay, pattern.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Though we have a pattern of end of game mismanagement.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Okay, I think you want to, and I'm gonna give
you the platform for it, because you want to talk
about four down plays.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
No, I'll talk about in game clock management. Okay, well, okay,
give it to me.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
In game five left in the game, Okay, third and thirteen,
bow takes.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Off of the middle. We thought he got the first
time and didn't quite get the got that twelve years
short and he's short. Remember he was debatable, but his.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Ne was short. No, no, it wasn't nat he was sure. Okay,
he was short.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Whatever that leaves you at that point in time after that,
with what five fifteen left in the game, you are
fourth to one. You've been going forward on fourth, you've
been dialing up deep shots. You got Courtland Sutton on
a fifty yard touchdown, and you're telling me you don't
have a play in your back pocket at five fifteen
left in the game, not knowing if you're going to
get the ball back the way the charge has been
(05:24):
moving the ball, you don't have a play to get
you half a yard because at the twenty nine yard line,
and I hear your short field argument, I'll give you
the counter argument right away, you're at the twenty nine
they can only get to first downs on you. They
can't milk the clock out. What you dude, at the
twenty nine yard now you're talking about going forward and
on four then absolutely with five fifteen left in the game.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
No one, no, no, you're great, No, no, no, what I.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Know there are other people, fans, those in the media
who side with you. Been on this, but not ridiculous.
You have to play the field position battle. Yes, one
of the Chargers moving the ball at times. Yes. Did
the Broncos defense do a good job shutting them out, yes,
and holding them to to field goals? Yes, they did
so to me, if you attempt, even though it's fourth
(06:12):
and inches, you don't make it, you've now set them
up to kick a field goal, or even worse, get
a test.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
That they're not kicking a field goal. There's five to
fifteen left and you're up thirteen twenty.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
They have to go for a touchdown.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
When I coached little league football, the offensive coach shouts,
the defense coordinated the offensive coach. He would always want
to go for it. I'm like, I'm like, bro, can't
punt that ball? You always want to go for it.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
But in this particular case, this particular case, they're already
at field goal rage, but doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
The field goal does them no good. It's twenty thirteen
of five minutes left in the game. They have to
get a touchdown and.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
You're twenty Do you want to make it easier for them?
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Yes, in a sense because if they score that touchdown,
which they did by the way, they went seventy six yards.
If they score that touchdown with five fifty you want
time left to get down and get a field goal
and do that with only twenty nine yards to go.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
They can't.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
The thing is, though, with our defense, odds would have
been that they're not going to go down anywhere.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
They got it anyway, but at least you put them
on the long field.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
You don't just set them up like that.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
The high high wins I do get me the maximum
amount of time to be able to go back down
and get a game winning field goal.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I controls like that.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
It's like when when we were playing uh who were
playing Green.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Band and Super Bowl. They just remember Genie Robinson, Yes,
could have made a tick. He's just went in there
like he.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Just him let him not necessarily you try to get
the stop, but because there's five fifteen left, you can
play actual defense.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
You don't know that. See Ben is playing with Madden
rules smart.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Video game clock. No, I'm playing Wait wait, you can
do this easier. What's the success and what's the fair
The success is you get the half yard.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
The failure you turn it over is five fifteen left
in the game, and they only have to go twenty
nine yards. You're either gonna get to stop or they're
not gonna be able to get all the clock rid of,
and you're going to have the opportunity to get the
ball back and go kick a game winning field goal
touchdown to top.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I am getting that ball back.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
I am not giving up easy points three or.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
You can't no three.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Here to add, it's twenty to thirteen, they have to
score a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
They still be kicking a field goal.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
They're not kicking a field goal of five that it's
left in the game. If it's fourth down and they're
not kicking a field goal in that In that scenario,
like a coaching malfeasians to kick a field goal the
way their defense they've been playing, you wouldn't you wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Kick the field goal. They're going to get the ball back. Dole.
Now you're at the twenty nine yard line. You're a
four down territory to get this thing, and you want
to take as much.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Time as you can if you're going to get as
many points as you can, because if you can get six,
you're gonna take you have to get you kick. If
you can't get the six, you're gonna take three.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Score is twenty to thirteen. A field goal?
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Does you know? Good?
Speaker 2 (08:50):
You're still down after that.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Even if you kick one, it's still five.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
It's still as game field you're going for You're going
for it.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
It makes no sense. I always listen to me. I'll
tell you the Matthew. It's simple, all right.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Kicking a field goal makes it a four point game.
Another field goal doesn't catch you up. Either way, you
still need a touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
This is what they think. Feel free chime in what
you think, you guys. I can tell you how wrong
you guys are too.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Hey, I don't like that theory because even though in
your mind, like is, it's a sound frame of mind.
But like you said, it's five fifteen remaining in the game.
And when you look at the way that the Chargers
defense and the Broncos defense. We're both playing in the game.
(09:39):
To me, you can't put anything to risk. And even
though you punted the ball the way the Chargers moved
the ball, it gave the defense ampled opportunities to try
the possibility of getting a stop.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
You got the possibility to get to stop the other way.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
They have twenty nine yards they can only get They
can only get.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Two first downs maximum. They can't eat all the clock.
It's not possible for them to eat the clock. Guess
I guess what the defense would have been saying. I'd
have been like, hey, gets it. I be what the
heck ismin all right? Nowing, Hey, I believe in you guys.
That's what we're going ford here.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
I believe if the offense don't get it, I believe
you got us here because they need a touchdown and
you're not gonna let him.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
No, that's been selling Wolf ticket. What happens?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Right? Come on, let me give you the Monday morning
narrative of Ben's scenario. So the Broncos go for a
fourth and one, they don't get it, The Chargers get the.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Ball back one down, they get a touchdown.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
You know what the narrative is is the same that
it was last week in the Coast game. Well, it's
Ben's Joseph been a defensive fault because they get paid,
they get paid to shut them out.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I'm not blaming it in defense for that. That's my
decision to play it all on that. That's my decision.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
You're gonna go to the podium and you're gonna say
it was my boonehead decision.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
I'm gonna explain the exact same way I've explaining it here.
Here's here's what we thought. We only needed a half
yard to get it. We believed in the offense. If
the failure outcome here, they only got twenty nine yards.
They can't eat up at all o'clock. We got some timeouts.
We're gonna get the ball back. If they score and
they have to have a touchdown. They can't settle for
a field goal here, you know what I'm a raising.
Why can't they because then.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
It would be twenty to sixteen and they would still
need another touchdown, and once again with the field goal.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Does you no good?
Speaker 4 (11:22):
With five fifteen or may they're on the clock, they
still another opportunity. I'll go for the win.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
No, No, no, No, I mean it's saying.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
You guys have played the next time they got to
kick a field goal.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
What do you mean? I mean the time.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
I'm saying the second time. After the kick a field goal,
now they need to touchdown. They still need either which way.
It's twenty to thirteen. So no matter what.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Your idea, no matter what you do at twenty to thirteen,
if you kick a field goal and that first that
you still need a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
So there's no scenario there where you're gonna do you
know what, I'm gonna.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Raise my hand in biz press conference and I'm gonna say,
I don't know, coach, I don't know who your supply is,
but you need to stop going to them because because
you want to elevate.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
It right now, right the Matthew rock solid? How am
I not explaining this right? The math here is like
it's airtight.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Noah, damn that math to me. Now, you put your defense.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Like we need quick out there.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
You just said it up in a high rid zone, Steve,
take the snipers.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Oh it's outside in two minutes. It's okay.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I'm just telling you, like the Matthew, I'm telling you
guys here, the math here is rock solid.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
You know what, there's a lot of analytics that have
infiltrated the NFL because it doesn't matter. And I've seen
it firsthand, and some some of it is very nonsensical
because they're like.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Well the numbers tell you.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Somebody, Well that's a coach to trust your gut.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
I'm with you on it.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
So this, but my gut is telling me we can A,
we can get half a yard and B it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
It doesn't even matter if they score the touchdown.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
You know why, because we get the ball back with
enough time to go get a field goal to win.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
So there wants me to trust his gut. It sounded
like his gut needs some probiotics. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Maybe I don't know, But like the Matthews airtight, I'm
telling you I'm gonna win football games with that strategy,
more games with that strategy that putting it away with
five minutes.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
We don't win games that, right.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
John Madden football that too, but not in real not
not in real life football that too.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
You know.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
I'm just telling you, like my defender like I'll explain
it to him Blade, Like I hope you have enough trusted.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Me on this call. I know you're tired. I hope
you got enough trusted me on this one because I'm
telling you it doesn't matter.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
But I can understand it because it seems like nowadays,
you know a lot of teams go for it on
fourth down there and Dan Campbell that hey.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Oh yeah he does. He goes.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
It has costume yes sever time, you know, and I
just think that back.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
For my ear, we wouldn't think about doing.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
That because for me, it's all based on field position.
If field position gets you to midfield, then.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
You think, okay, you know what, maybe I might.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Attempt it, right, And then you think about the fourth
down attempts that the Broncos actually were successful because they
were two for two on fourth down plays, right, And
some of those plays to me, when you see them work,
some work, some didn't.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
But you can only go to the well so many times.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
So the defense they're looking, they're anticipating, like the one
that both missed to Marvin Burns. That was why the
flea flicker.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
It was perfect. They set it up the defense something
that half yard.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
I'll either put my quarterback up there in a touch
push or we're having JK who can't be stopped all
game Gobbins going up there, going up to the big
gap behind the right gulf.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
I'm going to piggyback off of what you said about
the Broncos should have done it, because they didn't do it.
Let's just strip it down analytics and everything. What do
you see it as though Cose Payton didn't have confidence
in his quarterback is play calling or the offensive line
to get that one inch?
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I think he goes from an old school mentality where
he puts it back on the defense instead of his offense,
because this isn't the first time he's done stuff like
this where it puts the mentally, he puts the onus
back on the defense to do to make a play
and then come back and do something. He's punted in
weird situations where he should go for it. He goes
forward on situations where he should punt it. And there's
a line from a movie.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
That I love.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
It's a movie called Surrendia Used to Be and he's like,
you run when you ought to fight, You fight when
you ought to when you at a deal, and that's
that's like shot and it results. And you can go
back and look at this. You can go back and
look at one score game shot and is lost and
inside of five to seven minutes. There's so much clock
mismanagement with this stuff. Well, what I'm doing clock.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
On that one.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
What I'm advocating for is trading a two for one.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
It doesn't matter if they score, because we're getting two
possessions out of it. Okay, all your possessions.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
How many times do you school?
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Just think about it.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Wait a minute, you said you are betting on both
my offense my defense.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
I'm betting on my defense my office to get the
one yard they don't. I'm betting on my defense to
get the stop they don't. Bet my offense can get
another possession.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I can't better one.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
I'm going I'm not a gambling man. But but here's
the other reason. Because you said that you're hoping to
get two possessions. What we saw in the game against
the Chargers, the number of first downs. I think the
charges at twenty nine. I think the Broncos had nine
or something like that. So so you are betting and
putting all your tips to the center of the table
on two possessions when there was some failed execution by
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the offense and you hope that somehow always it resolves itself,
and it's better in that situation.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
I can't do that. I'm hoping that I can't do that.
I mean, I'm betting all my guys. I'll put it
to you this way. It's the same thing. But everybody
laughed back in the day when Mike D'Antoni brought jack
and three pointers up at he brought it to listen,
Dan Tony, Yeah, right, Jack and three pointers seven second offense,
Jack and three pointers up, and everybody laughed at him
and said it didn't work. I just I'll give you
the math on it right now. If you if you
(17:04):
got one hundred shots and you make fifty two pointers,
how many three pointers does it take to beat that?
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Only thirty three? You just keep jacking them up. You
talking about a coach. That's why you do two for one.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Teams have scored a lot of points, but they play
no damn defense.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
I'm not but I'm you're missing the analogy here. The
analogy here is the math. The math here is crystal clear.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Did he win?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
The math here is championship win? Then in the NBA none,
thank you. But I'm not talking about winning a championship.
I'm talking about winning this thing out of here winning
this game this moment. It's so funny.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
I win a game, by the way, is destroying you
all right now, My god, I didn't want to read.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
I did that. I want to hear.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
You're talking about winning a game and using the Antonia's
strategy and he's never won NBA time.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I'm talking about the math making sense. Nobody does it.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Now you only has one off that stres then no,
say Warriors use that exactly. They won several championships to
win the champd Tony win the Champans Golden State.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Used the same philosophy and they did win championships.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Who was the head coach, Steve Kerr?
Speaker 4 (18:10):
That's right?
Speaker 2 (18:11):
What did what did that guy invented? And what put
it in the road?
Speaker 4 (18:16):
No, the war is played defense and they played office
because it was all.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
About a number of points to get off a shot.
How can you say defense is irrelevant?
Speaker 1 (18:26):
It's argument you got like you got to step aside
from that for.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
A minute, like and just look at the man. It's
just math. Math is not math. And though absolutely man's not.
You don't know have been the same since math was invented.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
And this isn't even the thing that's wrong is statist
that when we come back right also in the next
twenty minutes, reading off all these texts from people, you
can you can do that, you can read them all,
but that doesn't necessarily mean that that they are spot
on and they are rank because, like I told you,
you put your defense in a very tough situation.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I'm agreeing with it.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
And that and that makes absolutely no sense to put
your defense in the situation knowing as though there's no
guarantee that you're going to get the ball back twice,
there's no guarantee that your play calling execution is going
to be up to par that is going to facilitate
you getting back in the A zone, scoring points to
put you ahead.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I agree guarantee on this. There's no guarantee on that.
There's no guarantee on anything.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
What I'm doing is giving myself the maximum number of
positive outcomes.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
One, we have a shot at getting that half yard
on fourth down. Two you call it, uh me, I'm
calling college.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
I'm I'm not let.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Run that now. Not un fourth down. We know we're running.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
We're running well, we're running with a full.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Back, We're running twenty two blasts.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
I mean, what full back is Blockett on that play
and why you have him on the run because he's
a fullback and you need one if you if you
use it.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
But we're not none in that particular way, not the
way that the charger apprentice rating or.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Line up three wide, no tied end full back offset.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
I okay, yeah, I'm going.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
And I'm going right, and I'm going and I'm going
right behind Quinn. Okay, Quinn. I'm just saying, we're.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Putting I got apprentice to I got apprentice to read
either side.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Of Quinn and take a right behind him to read
which hole he's going.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Yeah, I'm don't sign me up for that one.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Let me let me let me read this out for
you real quick, though, so we can switch tommies and
talk about the lack of discipline, the penalties and the
other stuff that's cost us and not just.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Mind my metal math here read off. Let me explain
this thing one more time, hopefully this will think. If
it doesn't, then it doesn't. But I'm gonna try explain
more time what I'm doing. I know that I'm putting
a defense in a bad spot if I'm wrong, But
what I'm doing is try to give myself the maximum
number of positive outcomes. We're up twenty to thirteen. They
have to get a touchdown to just a tie. We
know that, right, So I'm betting one that we can
get that half yard. If not, then my next thing
(20:57):
I'm betting on is that my defense can stop you
can hold you from a down for twenty nine yards.
If we don't get that, I betting that we got
enough time.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
And our timeouts to go down and get a field
going in the game. To me, I still feel three
positive potential.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
I get what you're saying. I hear the text, textures
or whatever. They have their opinion, But to me, I won't.
I wouldn't do it. It doesn't make sense right, And
it makes sense if you're sitting on your sofa and
you don't have any skin in the game because what.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Happens in the game.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
But now you now you can blame the coach for
something not going well. No, you do what Sean Payton
did right, And I truly believe that because now you
have the charges go to the length of the field,
whether they do it or not, because once again, there's
no guarantee that you're gonna call the perfect play and
that play is not going to get stopped, so you
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might as well play smart. Now some some I think
you've read off you say so someone read you read
this do it? But someone saying that we don't. We
don't have the gonads to be able to do that.
There's there are And to me, once again, it's about
going with your guts and not analytics. And like I said,
(22:09):
you said, you can go to gut, but but your
gut needs some probiotics.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Like I said, I'm just like, maybe too much can.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
But because I'm just saying like it's you need, you need, well,
we'll leave this went offer because I'm not.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Going to convince you guys, But I like the math
to me is crystal clear.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I gotta find a better what to explained.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
That's what.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Let's talk about these penalties. Let's yeah, let's talk about
this because this is something.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
That's funcking me. Man, we are undisciplined. It's not just
this game, it's this year. And and to me that
that that is a reflection of coaching. You either coaching
it to happen or you're allowing it to happen. And
we are getting penalized and it's severely inopportune.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Times ten penalties ninety yards versus them three penalties twenty
five yards. And I understand home cooking.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
You're gonna get a little understand home cooking a little
bit little disparity there, that's that's obscene. And the problem
is is that they were guilty of about every one
of them too.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
It wasn't one that I wasn't any of those penalties.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
I looked at, even the troutman one that people online
or crowed about.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
I would anyone I looked at where I was like, well.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
You know, I was like, okay, all right, how did
correct that? How do you correct penalties? I mean, you
got to get back in the guys. These are unforced errors.
How do we stop unforced errors? Like like did who
fo is just not hear the whistle? As we were
talking about that, get I told you whistle.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
We saw the other play earlier in the game when
PS two he had the guy table them, pushed them
back four.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Or five yards, and they still didn't flow to freaking whistle.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
See once again, see that's on the officiales. And this
is why I was coached, you know, by Bill Parcells,
and you know Georgia Leary. We played through the whistle.
We're gonna force you to play through the whistle every coach,
He said, I told you on that on that play
that who fund it? When he dumped Keenan Allen, I said,
they would have gotten me too, because I didn't hear whistle,
(23:50):
and I'm gonna play. I didn't hear whistle, so.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
I'm gonna play. I'm gonna play to the whistle. Well
that's not when we can we can correct that. If
you didn't hear the whistle.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
I mean, there's nothing we get like, well, there's nothing
to do by that.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Adam Adam Troumt lined up in the neutral zone.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Gary Bowles putting the hands inside somebody's face mask.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Like you know your technique, dude, what are you doing?
I mean that that could happen on office blindman. You
you you use your hands the whole time. Again, it
can happen, and you got to get it, get it,
put it out of there quickly.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
But this is why I'm not on a panic like
maybe Ben and some other individuals, because these are all
untimely penalties that can be corrected. Now, if you were
telling me that it was an officive lineman who who
was constantly holding because he didn't get the proper technique
as far as kick on his kickslide or his hand placement,
(24:44):
and it's it's showing up constantly over and over. That's problematic.
It's not systematic that that's the individual. But what we're
seeing with these penalties, they're just on timing, like Nick
Benito lining up in the neutral zone defensive on offense
doing it right. I mean, if you're a jammer on
that on that side where Nick Benito tell them backup,
(25:05):
or if you're Nick Benito, do you like wide receiverszoo
look down the line, look at the referee and ask
him to get you one and.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Off that you can correct.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
It seems like it was so egregious because you look
at the number of penalties. But these are things that
are correctable. That's why I'm not like jumping, you know,
off the bridge or something. Oh. I'm in the panic
because the Broncos are loseing. No, and look at the
games that they're losing. They're losing close games. That's two
games in a row where that came down to the
last second field goal. We're not talking about a team
(25:36):
putting up fifty two like the Detroit Lions put up
on someone last week. That's not what we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Well, but then that goes back to that go back
to the same thing you and I were talking back
back when Russ was here. They were only they were
losing close games, and those ones Russ was either winning
them in the.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Fourth quarter, they were losing fourth quarters. We're still at
the same point we were.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
So here's here's what I'm looking at. Here's what the
Broncos need to learn how to do. Two things, in
my opinion, right, this multitude of other things, but two
things that stand out to me. Start fast and learn
how to finish games. You have to be a closer.
Mariano Rivera New York Yankees take that type of mentality.
(26:13):
If I'm coach Peyton, I'm going to show this team
a lot.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Of Marianna Rivera him coming in.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
In the clutch for the Yankees, right, throwing strikes. That's
what they need. They need to do that as a team.
They need to collectively throw strikes.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
But how do you do that. You can't just say, yeah,
come on, we got to be finishers. I mean you,
once again, you got to execute.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Okay, when I played here with Mike Shanahan, I don't
know if he did this with you guys. We always
had four minutes and two minute drills, and all those
drills were about finishing even third down right when we
didn't finish the way that he thought we were finished
on night side of the ball. Yes, started that drill
over right, because now you got to teach that to
(26:54):
the guys, like, this is the mentality. We know. We're
gonna have breakdowns. We know because no one plays the
perfect game. I don't know if in your career have
you ever graded out?
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah, a couple of times. So what you want to teach.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Your guys that if something breaks down and something happens,
we can't have five guys.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
We get sustained one, but we can't do five.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
But would you take them through that exercise so they
understand what situation of football is, like I know, my turn.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
My turn. No.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
No, we we have one of these every maybe once
a quarter or something, but we can't have them.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Back to back to back back.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
We can't and in this game the way that teams are,
you can't do that and succeed.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
It's Canadian tuxedo. That's a sweet sweet denim jacket you
have on there is that pearl snap.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yes, but Canadian tuxedo as jeans and a jean jo Do.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
You don't have jeans on energy? I can't. I can't
see your lower half from here, just the tuxedo coming.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Yeah, I don't know. Yes, we're not trying to find out.
I do no crazy that It wasn't the.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Only late game play calling misque I think existed also,
or our last possession when we got the ball back.
Remember Bo got sacked on the first uh snap. Troy
Di got him on that first snap right second down.
Rocos should have taken a deep shot on second down. Instead,
they did that little swing pass out the JK.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Dobbins.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
They get tackled in bounds. That runs a clock all
the way down to the two minute warning. And the
reason you take that deep shot on second down is
so you don't force everybody to know what you're doing
on third and third and ten, and if it's incomplete,
it stops the clock, which means you're getting the backstop
time out of the two minute warning before you have
to punt.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Anyway, so it seemed.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Like for you, you're looking to stop the clock.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
I'm supposed to execution. No, I want the execution.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
What I'm saying is there's a positive and a negative
to every play, right, there's a positive outcoming a negatives.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
On the clock remaining in the game.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Wait when he got sacked, Yes, two thirty one.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
So then they threw that swing pass to Dobbins a
two twenty five, and then the clock melted all the
way down to the two minute warning. You take a
deep shot there, the clock is down at about two eighteen,
and then you're going to.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Get the ball off a third down.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
You have a third down shot here, and then you're
going to do if you miss that, you're going to punt.
With your timeouts and the two minute warning, you're going
to have an opportunity to get a stop and get
the ball back.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
See. I get the idea of taking a deep shot,
but I'm a fan of not just taking a deep shot,
being more calculated in the play calling. Maybe a fifteen
yard dig or maybe get bowl out on the perimeter
like I've been calling for all season long, and you
set up like a like you flooding the zone. Yeah right,
and you get like a one two three layer rough anything.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
That gives you an outcome where it's either a catch
or an incompletely that's the last thing you want is
a catch in bounds at that point.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Yes, so, yes, the idea here, I'm with you on
the swing route in that particular situation, you get tackling bounds,
that's gonna hurt you.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
So this is just like again, these are things, you're
little things that are like in game theory stuff that
Sean Payton for the brilliance of some of his play designs. Right,
for whatever reason, he gets down to five seven minutes
in a game, and he like, he does things that
reduce the chances of you winning.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
They take like you gives you less of an opportunity
to win. And that that's the part that I'm like, dude,
you gotta fight.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
You've either got to hire somebody to get in your
ear and tell you this is the wrong move, or you.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Got back listen right now, I'm getting you. I'll tell
you it's the wrong thing.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
I know you can fire me tom All for saying
what I'm gonna tell you.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Ye, Mike, Oh, the.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Windows up, the camera, the CBS cameras off him down there,
gonna poster board.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Of all the Ben's Mike is officially turned off.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
I'm just he's not paying attention to what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I'm just telling you got you either have to find
somebody you trust that can get in your ear and
tell you when you're doing the wrong. That's a part
of coaching, though, is understanding your own shortcomings.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Do you think that person or should that person rephrase that?
Should that be Joe Lombardi? Should Joel Lombardi be the
voice of reason in his ear and say, coach, here's.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
What we need to do.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Maybe, I mean, obviously trust Joe lombardies he's hired a
multiple times. But you need somebody with an analytical mind
to be able to calculate that stuff out instantaneously and
tell you what the results are.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
The askedest question, though, if he would have converted, would
this he even be an issue?
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Well, that's what I'm saying. If we'd converted, then it
wouldn't be you go for it, you convert. We're never
we're not even talking about this.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
No, no, if like the past, the passes were completed,
but he did complete the pass, he got tackled for
no game.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
To h about the the mims.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
The I'm talking to Dobbins, that swing past the Dobbins
was was complete. Is Tony Jefferson got him in the flat?
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Now, I think Steve is talking about some of those
four down plays were.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
You're talking about the throws, the bud nteen.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
You played, he overthrew Mims and then one we're Courtland
geared down when you shouldn't have and uh it went
went long on him.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
You execute, and we're not talking about that. You have
two score lead and it's impossible for them to come
back at this point. But all I can do, I mean,
there are so many things that went wrong. All I
can do at this point is just point out the
things that we can control. And we controlled whether or
not we punted or go for that half yard situation.
And I still I still don't.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
I still disagree with you, you and you and your
relatives on the text line.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
I know, and I know all the listeners out there,
Hey man, I'm I don't agree with you.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Well, it's all good. I know y'all been being as
your boy mister Bright.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
I'm not trying to all I'm I'm not trying to
disagree with I'm not trying to tell you guys anything.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Stay toed for my pitch for Amway. We gotta hit
the break after this
I always got this mustache looking smooth. Look at that
he turned the beared off. You can see the thing.
It's feathered. It's lethal. Look at that.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
There we go, There we go. For if it's with
the nineteen eighties, you would be on a Marlborough billboard.
That's cold. Hey great. Do you use that stuff?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (00:13):
Swap acito on your mustache?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Do you have a specific oil the grooming product? No,
it just looks like this naturally. Wow. I was trying
to get a sponsorship deal there. But well, yes, you
never heard my No, nobody heard no swavecito? Yeah, swap
what that is?
Speaker 4 (00:28):
What is?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
What is the This is the ship Pool grooming crip.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Well they have you know what you don't use you
don't have any, but I had no guys who own
barber shops.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
So it's got the little like yeah thing with the
and it's it's like it's like the cursive old style and.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
It's not It has like a like palm made like
Brothers used to use back in the day. It was
still used with the wave cap. No we're not talking here,
No hod.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
No glow. That's that's when you get your curls rosy.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Remember on the Chappelle show where they go but they're
doing the Prince. When you see that guy with the
souls pour it off.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yeah yeah, you need you need a towel.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
But but the palmide was it looks it looks had
a bazoline type of feel to it. But but brothers
would use it to lay down the waves, throwing the
wave cap. Well with the suavecito, you can use it
to kind of perk up your mustache, like if you
wanted to curl instead of doing the wax.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
You can just use Come on, see too boozy for me?
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Bro, What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
That's not boy never had the rolly fingers mustache looking
like a billion gun.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
First of all, brothers mustache.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Mustache.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
We can't we can't get it.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Then, to be fair, the white guy mustache doesn't work
like that. On't time me.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I'm just saying somehow, it looks like I have perpetually
in my teenage years with thisperpair like it's terrible.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Grant looked like he had that mustache when it was like, ok.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Seventeen, ye I'm saringies my forties looking like, you know, looking.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Like a with the meme man ridiculous. Speaking of things
that look terrible. We're gonna get what you have to.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Say things that looked terrible, because let's be totally honest,
it wasn't terrible. Then, I know you have some vincing
we feel terribly yes about it?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Or I didn't think that score was terrible in the
final score, No, I didn't. I do I did not
any score were on the long side, I was terrible.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Let's see, once again, we're asking the wrong person to
give their judgment because Ben lives in a dark and
gloomy area, just like like if if.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
You cross the streets.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
What those little rainbow teddy bears when we were kids
growing up?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Nothing about rainbows man or whatever? They were bears? Yeah,
cameras cares.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
You know you're feeling me right now.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Then was the care bear?
Speaker 4 (03:07):
His care bear would be dark and gloomy with lightning
all over it, because sometime you had a bear? No,
I didn't, I said you. I said, do you remember?
I didn't say I hadn't?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Which played cares? Which one were you?
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Again? No?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
No?
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Was the rainbow flight either?
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Oh you're my little pony guy, got it? Not?
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Really?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Keep trying the eighties, but you haven't hit it. Just
yet uh he was. He was the was.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
It was the Fly and Rescue Rangers. You don't talking
about the chipp and Dale, the little Green.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
I remember Chipping Deal's, but I don't remember a damn fly.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
You remember like the little because you had the you
had the Chip and Dail.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
You're the girl, you had the fat guy Monterey Jack,
and then you had like the little.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
No, there there wasn't a fly And I don't remember
a fly?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
What grant? We're too young for this. Yeah, I don't know.
There was. There was a companion in the Rescue Rangers.
It was like a fly. I'm telling you, Okay, I
believe maybe I'm wrong on the many I'm an idiot.
I don't know anyway, I have some thoughts on this game.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I'm sure you too. But why do you have to
be all doom and gloom? Because I'm mad because there's
dudes that are paid twenty million dollars a year to
make better end game decisions that we made.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
We shouldn't be punting away at four and a half
a yard. Team guy.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
Guy's making a bunch of money and and.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
He making the right decision. They get replaced.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Okay, well, okay, pattern.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Though we have a pattern of end of game mismanagement.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Okay, I think you want to, and I'm gonna give
you the platform for it, because you want to talk
about four down plays.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
No, I'll talk about in game clock management. Okay, well, okay,
give it to me.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
In game five left in the game, Okay, third and thirteen,
bow takes.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Off of the middle. We thought he got the first
time and didn't quite get the got that twelve years
short and he's short. Remember he was debatable, but his.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Ne was short. No, no, it wasn't nat he was sure. Okay,
he was short.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Whatever that leaves you at that point in time after that,
with what five fifteen left in the game, you are
fourth to one. You've been going forward on fourth, you've
been dialing up deep shots. You got Courtland Sutton on
a fifty yard touchdown, and you're telling me you don't
have a play in your back pocket at five fifteen
left in the game, not knowing if you're going to
get the ball back the way the charge has been
(05:24):
moving the ball, you don't have a play to get
you half a yard because at the twenty nine yard line,
and I hear your short field argument, I'll give you
the counter argument right away, you're at the twenty nine
they can only get to first downs on you. They
can't milk the clock out. What you dude, at the
twenty nine yard now you're talking about going forward and
on four then absolutely with five fifteen left in the game.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
No one, no, no, you're great, No, no, no, what I.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Know there are other people, fans, those in the media
who side with you. Been on this, but not ridiculous.
You have to play the field position battle. Yes, one
of the Chargers moving the ball at times. Yes. Did
the Broncos defense do a good job shutting them out, yes,
and holding them to to field goals? Yes, they did
so to me, if you attempt, even though it's fourth
(06:12):
and inches, you don't make it, you've now set them
up to kick a field goal, or even worse, get
a test.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
That they're not kicking a field goal. There's five to
fifteen left and you're up thirteen twenty.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
They have to go for a touchdown.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
When I coached little league football, the offensive coach shouts,
the defense coordinated the offensive coach. He would always want
to go for it. I'm like, I'm like, bro, can't
punt that ball? You always want to go for it.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
But in this particular case, this particular case, they're already
at field goal rage, but doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
The field goal does them no good. It's twenty thirteen
of five minutes left in the game. They have to
get a touchdown and.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
You're twenty Do you want to make it easier for them?
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Yes, in a sense because if they score that touchdown,
which they did by the way, they went seventy six yards.
If they score that touchdown with five fifty you want
time left to get down and get a field goal
and do that with only twenty nine yards to go.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
They can't.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
The thing is, though, with our defense, odds would have
been that they're not going to go down anywhere.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
They got it anyway, but at least you put them
on the long field.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
You don't just set them up like that.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
The high high wins I do get me the maximum
amount of time to be able to go back down
and get a game winning field goal.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I controls like that.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
It's like when when we were playing uh who were
playing Green.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Band and Super Bowl. They just remember Genie Robinson, Yes,
could have made a tick. He's just went in there
like he.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Just him let him not necessarily you try to get
the stop, but because there's five fifteen left, you can
play actual defense.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
You don't know that. See Ben is playing with Madden
rules smart.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Video game clock. No, I'm playing Wait wait, you can
do this easier. What's the success and what's the fair
The success is you get the half yard.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
The failure you turn it over is five fifteen left
in the game, and they only have to go twenty
nine yards. You're either gonna get to stop or they're
not gonna be able to get all the clock rid of,
and you're going to have the opportunity to get the
ball back and go kick a game winning field goal
touchdown to top.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I am getting that ball back.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
I am not giving up easy points three or.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
You can't no three.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Here to add, it's twenty to thirteen, they have to
score a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
They still be kicking a field goal.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
They're not kicking a field goal of five that it's
left in the game. If it's fourth down and they're
not kicking a field goal in that In that scenario,
like a coaching malfeasians to kick a field goal the
way their defense they've been playing, you wouldn't you wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Kick the field goal. They're going to get the ball back. Dole.
Now you're at the twenty nine yard line. You're a
four down territory to get this thing, and you want
to take as much.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Time as you can if you're going to get as
many points as you can, because if you can get six,
you're gonna take you have to get you kick. If
you can't get the six, you're gonna take three.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Score is twenty to thirteen. A field goal?
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Does you know? Good?
Speaker 2 (08:50):
You're still down after that.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Even if you kick one, it's still five.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
It's still as game field you're going for You're going
for it.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
It makes no sense. I always listen to me. I'll
tell you the Matthew. It's simple, all right.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Kicking a field goal makes it a four point game.
Another field goal doesn't catch you up. Either way, you
still need a touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
This is what they think. Feel free chime in what
you think, you guys. I can tell you how wrong
you guys are too.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Hey, I don't like that theory because even though in
your mind, like is, it's a sound frame of mind.
But like you said, it's five fifteen remaining in the game.
And when you look at the way that the Chargers
defense and the Broncos defense. We're both playing in the game.
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To me, you can't put anything to risk. And even
though you punted the ball the way the Chargers moved
the ball, it gave the defense ampled opportunities to try
the possibility of getting a stop.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
You got the possibility to get to stop the other way.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
They have twenty nine yards they can only get They
can only get.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Two first downs maximum. They can't eat all the clock.
It's not possible for them to eat the clock. Guess
I guess what the defense would have been saying. I'd
have been like, hey, gets it. I be what the
heck ismin all right? Nowing, Hey, I believe in you guys.
That's what we're going ford here.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
I believe if the offense don't get it, I believe
you got us here because they need a touchdown and
you're not gonna let him.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
No, that's been selling Wolf ticket. What happens?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Right? Come on, let me give you the Monday morning
narrative of Ben's scenario. So the Broncos go for a
fourth and one, they don't get it, The Chargers get the.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Ball back one down, they get a touchdown.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
You know what the narrative is is the same that
it was last week in the Coast game. Well, it's
Ben's Joseph been a defensive fault because they get paid,
they get paid to shut them out.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I'm not blaming it in defense for that. That's my
decision to play it all on that. That's my decision.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
You're gonna go to the podium and you're gonna say
it was my boonehead decision.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
I'm gonna explain the exact same way I've explaining it here.
Here's here's what we thought. We only needed a half
yard to get it. We believed in the offense. If
the failure outcome here, they only got twenty nine yards.
They can't eat up at all o'clock. We got some timeouts.
We're gonna get the ball back. If they score and
they have to have a touchdown. They can't settle for
a field goal here, you know what I'm a raising.
Why can't they because then.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
It would be twenty to sixteen and they would still
need another touchdown, and once again with the field goal.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Does you no good?
Speaker 4 (11:22):
With five fifteen or may they're on the clock, they
still another opportunity. I'll go for the win.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
No, No, no, No, I mean it's saying.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
You guys have played the next time they got to
kick a field goal.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
What do you mean? I mean the time.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
I'm saying the second time. After the kick a field goal,
now they need to touchdown. They still need either which way.
It's twenty to thirteen. So no matter what.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Your idea, no matter what you do at twenty to thirteen,
if you kick a field goal and that first that
you still need a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
So there's no scenario there where you're gonna do you
know what, I'm gonna.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Raise my hand in biz press conference and I'm gonna say,
I don't know, coach, I don't know who your supply is,
but you need to stop going to them because because
you want to elevate.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
It right now, right the Matthew rock solid? How am
I not explaining this right? The math here is like
it's airtight.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Noah, damn that math to me. Now, you put your defense.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Like we need quick out there.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
You just said it up in a high rid zone, Steve,
take the snipers.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Oh it's outside in two minutes. It's okay.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I'm just telling you, like the Matthew, I'm telling you
guys here, the math here is rock solid.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
You know what, there's a lot of analytics that have
infiltrated the NFL because it doesn't matter. And I've seen
it firsthand, and some some of it is very nonsensical
because they're like.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Well the numbers tell you.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Somebody, Well that's a coach to trust your gut.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
I'm with you on it.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
So this, but my gut is telling me we can A,
we can get half a yard and B it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
It doesn't even matter if they score the touchdown.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
You know why, because we get the ball back with
enough time to go get a field goal to win.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
So there wants me to trust his gut. It sounded
like his gut needs some probiotics. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Maybe I don't know, But like the Matthews airtight, I'm
telling you I'm gonna win football games with that strategy,
more games with that strategy that putting it away with
five minutes.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
We don't win games that, right.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
John Madden football that too, but not in real not
not in real life football that too.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
You know.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
I'm just telling you, like my defender like I'll explain
it to him Blade, Like I hope you have enough trusted.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Me on this call. I know you're tired. I hope
you got enough trusted me on this one because I'm
telling you it doesn't matter.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
But I can understand it because it seems like nowadays,
you know a lot of teams go for it on
fourth down there and Dan Campbell that hey.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Oh yeah he does. He goes.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
It has costume yes sever time, you know, and I
just think that back.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
For my ear, we wouldn't think about doing.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
That because for me, it's all based on field position.
If field position gets you to midfield, then.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
You think, okay, you know what, maybe I might.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Attempt it, right, And then you think about the fourth
down attempts that the Broncos actually were successful because they
were two for two on fourth down plays, right, And
some of those plays to me, when you see them work,
some work, some didn't.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
But you can only go to the well so many times.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
So the defense they're looking, they're anticipating, like the one
that both missed to Marvin Burns. That was why the
flea flicker.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
It was perfect. They set it up the defense something
that half yard.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
I'll either put my quarterback up there in a touch
push or we're having JK who can't be stopped all
game Gobbins going up there, going up to the big
gap behind the right gulf.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
I'm going to piggyback off of what you said about
the Broncos should have done it, because they didn't do it.
Let's just strip it down analytics and everything. What do
you see it as though Cose Payton didn't have confidence
in his quarterback is play calling or the offensive line
to get that one inch?
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I think he goes from an old school mentality where
he puts it back on the defense instead of his offense,
because this isn't the first time he's done stuff like
this where it puts the mentally, he puts the onus
back on the defense to do to make a play
and then come back and do something. He's punted in
weird situations where he should go for it. He goes
forward on situations where he should punt it. And there's
a line from a movie.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
That I love.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
It's a movie called Surrendia Used to Be and he's like,
you run when you ought to fight, You fight when
you ought to when you at a deal, and that's
that's like shot and it results. And you can go
back and look at this. You can go back and
look at one score game shot and is lost and
inside of five to seven minutes. There's so much clock
mismanagement with this stuff. Well, what I'm doing clock.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
On that one.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
What I'm advocating for is trading a two for one.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
It doesn't matter if they score, because we're getting two
possessions out of it. Okay, all your possessions.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
How many times do you school?
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Just think about it.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Wait a minute, you said you are betting on both
my offense my defense.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
I'm betting on my defense my office to get the
one yard they don't. I'm betting on my defense to
get the stop they don't. Bet my offense can get
another possession.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I can't better one.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
I'm going I'm not a gambling man. But but here's
the other reason. Because you said that you're hoping to
get two possessions. What we saw in the game against
the Chargers, the number of first downs. I think the
charges at twenty nine. I think the Broncos had nine
or something like that. So so you are betting and
putting all your tips to the center of the table
on two possessions when there was some failed execution by
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the offense and you hope that somehow always it resolves itself,
and it's better in that situation.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
I can't do that. I'm hoping that I can't do that.
I mean, I'm betting all my guys. I'll put it
to you this way. It's the same thing. But everybody
laughed back in the day when Mike D'Antoni brought jack
and three pointers up at he brought it to listen,
Dan Tony, Yeah, right, Jack and three pointers seven second offense,
Jack and three pointers up, and everybody laughed at him
and said it didn't work. I just I'll give you
the math on it right now. If you if you
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got one hundred shots and you make fifty two pointers,
how many three pointers does it take to beat that?
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Only thirty three? You just keep jacking them up. You
talking about a coach. That's why you do two for one.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Teams have scored a lot of points, but they play
no damn defense.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
I'm not but I'm you're missing the analogy here. The
analogy here is the math. The math here is crystal clear.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Did he win?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
The math here is championship win? Then in the NBA none,
thank you. But I'm not talking about winning a championship.
I'm talking about winning this thing out of here winning
this game this moment. It's so funny.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
I win a game, by the way, is destroying you
all right now, My god, I didn't want to read.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
I did that. I want to hear.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
You're talking about winning a game and using the Antonia's
strategy and he's never won NBA time.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I'm talking about the math making sense. Nobody does it.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Now you only has one off that stres then no,
say Warriors use that exactly. They won several championships to
win the champd Tony win the Champans Golden State.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Used the same philosophy and they did win championships.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Who was the head coach, Steve Kerr?
Speaker 4 (18:10):
That's right?
Speaker 2 (18:11):
What did what did that guy invented? And what put
it in the road?
Speaker 4 (18:16):
No, the war is played defense and they played office
because it was all.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
About a number of points to get off a shot.
How can you say defense is irrelevant?
Speaker 1 (18:26):
It's argument you got like you got to step aside
from that for.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
A minute, like and just look at the man. It's
just math. Math is not math. And though absolutely man's not.
You don't know have been the same since math was invented.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
And this isn't even the thing that's wrong is statist
that when we come back right also in the next
twenty minutes, reading off all these texts from people, you
can you can do that, you can read them all,
but that doesn't necessarily mean that that they are spot
on and they are rank because, like I told you,
you put your defense in a very tough situation.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I'm agreeing with it.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
And that and that makes absolutely no sense to put
your defense in the situation knowing as though there's no
guarantee that you're going to get the ball back twice,
there's no guarantee that your play calling execution is going
to be up to par that is going to facilitate
you getting back in the A zone, scoring points to
put you ahead.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I agree guarantee on this. There's no guarantee on that.
There's no guarantee on anything.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
What I'm doing is giving myself the maximum number of
positive outcomes.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
One, we have a shot at getting that half yard
on fourth down. Two you call it, uh me, I'm
calling college.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
I'm I'm not let.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Run that now. Not un fourth down. We know we're running.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
We're running well, we're running with a full.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Back, We're running twenty two blasts.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
I mean, what full back is Blockett on that play
and why you have him on the run because he's
a fullback and you need one if you if you
use it.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
But we're not none in that particular way, not the
way that the charger apprentice rating or.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Line up three wide, no tied end full back offset.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
I okay, yeah, I'm going.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
And I'm going right, and I'm going and I'm going
right behind Quinn. Okay, Quinn. I'm just saying, we're.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Putting I got apprentice to I got apprentice to read
either side.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Of Quinn and take a right behind him to read
which hole he's going.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Yeah, I'm don't sign me up for that one.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Let me let me let me read this out for
you real quick, though, so we can switch tommies and
talk about the lack of discipline, the penalties and the
other stuff that's cost us and not just.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Mind my metal math here read off. Let me explain
this thing one more time, hopefully this will think. If
it doesn't, then it doesn't. But I'm gonna try explain
more time what I'm doing. I know that I'm putting
a defense in a bad spot if I'm wrong, But
what I'm doing is try to give myself the maximum
number of positive outcomes. We're up twenty to thirteen. They
have to get a touchdown to just a tie. We
know that, right, So I'm betting one that we can
get that half yard. If not, then my next thing
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I'm betting on is that my defense can stop you
can hold you from a down for twenty nine yards.
If we don't get that, I betting that we got
enough time.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
And our timeouts to go down and get a field
going in the game. To me, I still feel three
positive potential.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
I get what you're saying. I hear the text, textures
or whatever. They have their opinion, But to me, I won't.
I wouldn't do it. It doesn't make sense right, And
it makes sense if you're sitting on your sofa and
you don't have any skin in the game because what.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Happens in the game.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
But now you now you can blame the coach for
something not going well. No, you do what Sean Payton
did right, And I truly believe that because now you
have the charges go to the length of the field,
whether they do it or not, because once again, there's
no guarantee that you're gonna call the perfect play and
that play is not going to get stopped, so you
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might as well play smart. Now some some I think
you've read off you say so someone read you read
this do it? But someone saying that we don't. We
don't have the gonads to be able to do that.
There's there are And to me, once again, it's about
going with your guts and not analytics. And like I said,
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you said, you can go to gut, but but your
gut needs some probiotics.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Like I said, I'm just like, maybe too much can.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
But because I'm just saying like it's you need, you need, well,
we'll leave this went offer because I'm not.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Going to convince you guys, But I like the math
to me is crystal clear.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I gotta find a better what to explained.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
That's what.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Let's talk about these penalties. Let's yeah, let's talk about
this because this is something.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
That's funcking me. Man, we are undisciplined. It's not just
this game, it's this year. And and to me that
that that is a reflection of coaching. You either coaching
it to happen or you're allowing it to happen. And
we are getting penalized and it's severely inopportune.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Times ten penalties ninety yards versus them three penalties twenty
five yards. And I understand home cooking.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
You're gonna get a little understand home cooking a little
bit little disparity there, that's that's obscene. And the problem
is is that they were guilty of about every one
of them too.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
It wasn't one that I wasn't any of those penalties.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
I looked at, even the troutman one that people online
or crowed about.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
I would anyone I looked at where I was like, well.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
You know, I was like, okay, all right, how did
correct that? How do you correct penalties? I mean, you
got to get back in the guys. These are unforced errors.
How do we stop unforced errors? Like like did who
fo is just not hear the whistle? As we were
talking about that, get I told you whistle.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
We saw the other play earlier in the game when
PS two he had the guy table them, pushed them
back four.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Or five yards, and they still didn't flow to freaking whistle.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
See once again, see that's on the officiales. And this
is why I was coached, you know, by Bill Parcells,
and you know Georgia Leary. We played through the whistle.
We're gonna force you to play through the whistle every coach,
He said, I told you on that on that play
that who fund it? When he dumped Keenan Allen, I said,
they would have gotten me too, because I didn't hear whistle,
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and I'm gonna play. I didn't hear whistle, so.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
I'm gonna play. I'm gonna play to the whistle. Well
that's not when we can we can correct that. If
you didn't hear the whistle.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
I mean, there's nothing we get like, well, there's nothing
to do by that.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Adam Adam Troumt lined up in the neutral zone.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Gary Bowles putting the hands inside somebody's face mask.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Like you know your technique, dude, what are you doing?
I mean that that could happen on office blindman. You
you you use your hands the whole time. Again, it
can happen, and you got to get it, get it,
put it out of there quickly.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
But this is why I'm not on a panic like
maybe Ben and some other individuals, because these are all
untimely penalties that can be corrected. Now, if you were
telling me that it was an officive lineman who who
was constantly holding because he didn't get the proper technique
as far as kick on his kickslide or his hand placement,
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and it's it's showing up constantly over and over. That's problematic.
It's not systematic that that's the individual. But what we're
seeing with these penalties, they're just on timing, like Nick
Benito lining up in the neutral zone defensive on offense
doing it right. I mean, if you're a jammer on
that on that side where Nick Benito tell them backup,
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or if you're Nick Benito, do you like wide receiverszoo
look down the line, look at the referee and ask
him to get you one and.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Off that you can correct.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
It seems like it was so egregious because you look
at the number of penalties. But these are things that
are correctable. That's why I'm not like jumping, you know,
off the bridge or something. Oh. I'm in the panic
because the Broncos are loseing. No, and look at the
games that they're losing. They're losing close games. That's two
games in a row where that came down to the
last second field goal. We're not talking about a team
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putting up fifty two like the Detroit Lions put up
on someone last week. That's not what we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Well, but then that goes back to that go back
to the same thing you and I were talking back
back when Russ was here. They were only they were
losing close games, and those ones Russ was either winning
them in the.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Fourth quarter, they were losing fourth quarters. We're still at
the same point we were.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
So here's here's what I'm looking at. Here's what the
Broncos need to learn how to do. Two things, in
my opinion, right, this multitude of other things, but two
things that stand out to me. Start fast and learn
how to finish games. You have to be a closer.
Mariano Rivera New York Yankees take that type of mentality.
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If I'm coach Peyton, I'm going to show this team
a lot.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Of Marianna Rivera him coming in.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
In the clutch for the Yankees, right, throwing strikes. That's
what they need. They need to do that as a team.
They need to collectively throw strikes.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
But how do you do that. You can't just say, yeah,
come on, we got to be finishers. I mean you,
once again, you got to execute.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Okay, when I played here with Mike Shanahan, I don't
know if he did this with you guys. We always
had four minutes and two minute drills, and all those
drills were about finishing even third down right when we
didn't finish the way that he thought we were finished
on night side of the ball. Yes, started that drill
over right, because now you got to teach that to
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the guys, like, this is the mentality. We know. We're
gonna have breakdowns. We know because no one plays the
perfect game. I don't know if in your career have
you ever graded out?
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah, a couple of times. So what you want to teach.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Your guys that if something breaks down and something happens,
we can't have five guys.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
We get sustained one, but we can't do five.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
But would you take them through that exercise so they
understand what situation of football is, like I know, my turn.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
My turn. No.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
No, we we have one of these every maybe once
a quarter or something, but we can't have them.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Back to back to back back.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
We can't and in this game the way that teams are,
you can't do that and succeed.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
It's Canadian tuxedo. That's a sweet sweet denim jacket you
have on there is that pearl snap.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yes, but Canadian tuxedo as jeans and a jean jo Do.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
You don't have jeans on energy? I can't. I can't
see your lower half from here, just the tuxedo coming.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Yeah, I don't know. Yes, we're not trying to find out.
I do no crazy that It wasn't the.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Only late game play calling misque I think existed also,
or our last possession when we got the ball back.
Remember Bo got sacked on the first uh snap. Troy
Di got him on that first snap right second down.
Rocos should have taken a deep shot on second down. Instead,
they did that little swing pass out the JK.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Dobbins.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
They get tackled in bounds. That runs a clock all
the way down to the two minute warning. And the
reason you take that deep shot on second down is
so you don't force everybody to know what you're doing
on third and third and ten, and if it's incomplete,
it stops the clock, which means you're getting the backstop
time out of the two minute warning before you have
to punt.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Anyway, so it seemed.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Like for you, you're looking to stop the clock.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
I'm supposed to execution. No, I want the execution.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
What I'm saying is there's a positive and a negative
to every play, right, there's a positive outcoming a negatives.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
On the clock remaining in the game.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Wait when he got sacked, Yes, two thirty one.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
So then they threw that swing pass to Dobbins a
two twenty five, and then the clock melted all the
way down to the two minute warning. You take a
deep shot there, the clock is down at about two eighteen,
and then you're going to.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Get the ball off a third down.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
You have a third down shot here, and then you're
going to do if you miss that, you're going to punt.
With your timeouts and the two minute warning, you're going
to have an opportunity to get a stop and get
the ball back.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
See. I get the idea of taking a deep shot,
but I'm a fan of not just taking a deep shot,
being more calculated in the play calling. Maybe a fifteen
yard dig or maybe get bowl out on the perimeter
like I've been calling for all season long, and you
set up like a like you flooding the zone. Yeah right,
and you get like a one two three layer rough anything.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
That gives you an outcome where it's either a catch
or an incompletely that's the last thing you want is
a catch in bounds at that point.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Yes, so, yes, the idea here, I'm with you on
the swing route in that particular situation, you get tackling bounds,
that's gonna hurt you.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
So this is just like again, these are things, you're
little things that are like in game theory stuff that
Sean Payton for the brilliance of some of his play designs. Right,
for whatever reason, he gets down to five seven minutes
in a game, and he like, he does things that
reduce the chances of you winning.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
They take like you gives you less of an opportunity
to win. And that that's the part that I'm like, dude,
you gotta fight.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
You've either got to hire somebody to get in your
ear and tell you this is the wrong move, or you.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Got back listen right now, I'm getting you. I'll tell
you it's the wrong thing.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
I know you can fire me tom All for saying
what I'm gonna tell you.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Ye, Mike, Oh, the.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Windows up, the camera, the CBS cameras off him down there,
gonna poster board.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Of all the Ben's Mike is officially turned off.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
I'm just he's not paying attention to what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I'm just telling you got you either have to find
somebody you trust that can get in your ear and
tell you when you're doing the wrong. That's a part
of coaching, though, is understanding your own shortcomings.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Do you think that person or should that person rephrase that?
Should that be Joe Lombardi? Should Joel Lombardi be the
voice of reason in his ear and say, coach, here's.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
What we need to do.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Maybe, I mean, obviously trust Joe lombardies he's hired a
multiple times. But you need somebody with an analytical mind
to be able to calculate that stuff out instantaneously and
tell you what the results are.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
The askedest question, though, if he would have converted, would
this he even be an issue?
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Well, that's what I'm saying. If we'd converted, then it
wouldn't be you go for it, you convert. We're never
we're not even talking about this.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
No, no, if like the past, the passes were completed,
but he did complete the pass, he got tackled for
no game.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
To h about the the mims.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
The I'm talking to Dobbins, that swing past the Dobbins
was was complete. Is Tony Jefferson got him in the flat?
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Now, I think Steve is talking about some of those
four down plays were.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
You're talking about the throws, the bud nteen.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
You played, he overthrew Mims and then one we're Courtland
geared down when you shouldn't have and uh it went
went long on him.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
You execute, and we're not talking about that. You have
two score lead and it's impossible for them to come
back at this point. But all I can do, I mean,
there are so many things that went wrong. All I
can do at this point is just point out the
things that we can control. And we controlled whether or
not we punted or go for that half yard situation.
And I still I still don't.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
I still disagree with you, you and you and your
relatives on the text line.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
I know, and I know all the listeners out there,
Hey man, I'm I don't agree with you.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Well, it's all good. I know y'all been being as
your boy mister Bright.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
I'm not trying to all I'm I'm not trying to
disagree with I'm not trying to tell you guys anything.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Stay toed for my pitch for Amway. We gotta hit
the break after this
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