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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
See see how I did that? Spin that out as.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Yeah, I appreciate you guys putting up with my trying
to walk through the mass stuff. Further, I got to
find a better way to explain that. But there are
other things to focus on. It's not any one thing.
I'm focusing on some minutia stuff, and it's not any
one thing that's going wrong here. There's a lot wrong
with this Denver Broncos team. And there is an encouraging
side of that because, as you pointed out earlier, you
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lost two games on walkoff so the last second, even
with all these things going wrong, the Denver Broncos are
a very heavily penalized team. Right now, you doing the break,
you said what Hufanga and Troupman, I think lead the
leader the team penalties.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah, both Hufunga and Adam Trautman both have three apiece
to lead the.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Bronco at least won a game. Right there, that's you know,
that's a problem. The Denver Broncos are the team with
the worst success rate on first down of any team
in the NFL, the absolute worst.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Okay, well, once against. I like to break things down
and look at them in pieces, because I know, like
you said, when you led into this particular segment, they
got a lot of problems. And to me, I don't
think they have a lot of problems, but the problems
that they have are so glaring that it looks like
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it's a tsunami of issues and we're just talking about
one right now. As far as penalties and listen, I
played this game long enough to know that things are
gonna happen, and players don't seek out to put their.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Team in bad situations.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Sometimes, if you're an offensive lineman, it's based on maybe
you're not moving your feet and you're grabbing so you
get a hold the call.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Being a dB.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I mean, they can happen at any point if the
game is being called in a very ticky, tacky way
where ref is not allowing you to play. The receiver
is pushing off, but you can't really grab quats and
kind of regain position. So we know that those types
of things happen, but it's untimely penalties. Some of these
penal penalties are I'm going to call them mental breakdowns.
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And like I told Steve, it's not a single guy
that I know that's ever played this game and graded out.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Steve, he.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Looked at He's like, oh, you're never graded out on
It was so it was so fun. But He's right,
everybody makes mistakes. This isn't Madden where the digital players
play perfectly and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
It's not. People are human.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
There are mistakes made, and as you get more tired,
more mistakes get made.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
All that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Absolutely, But what I'm saying is just this offense, this
highly vaunted offense, Uh, just by this highway vaulted.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
I see how you set that up.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
You set it up so high so.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
You can make the fall even harder. Well, well, continue,
I mean there are thirty two teams in the NFL.
The Denver Broncos ranked thirty second in success rate on
first down. They ranked twenty eighth in EPA expected points
added on first down, there are twenty ninth in the
NFL and percentage of plays that gain another first down.
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There are three teams in the league that are worse,
and you can guess all three of them, I promise you.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
So are the Jets. Are the Jets?
Speaker 1 (03:27):
There the teams that are worst, I can tell you right now.
Hang on Cincinnati bengalscause I'm thinking the Giants, the Las
Vegas Raiders. Now the Giants because they had that game
against Dallas and they played the numbers a little bit. Yeah,
but yeah they are not They are not the worst.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
But see that goes back to what I say every
week about the Broncos being able to start fast.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Like we go back to the Coach game, right, even
in that game.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
The Broncos started slow, but then the second half, in
that second quarter fourteen points, they were great. Now, historically
the Broncos have had issues coming out starting games and
also out of halftime really slow. Against the Chargers, we
sat down and watch it. I mean we were like, Yo,
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this is what I'm talking about, right, And then j K.
Dobbin's got that touchdown tiptoe to the sideline dove in.
It's like, yes, this is the type of offense that
I anticipate having every.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Time coming out of the half. Let's start this way.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
And I put it on something to Steve when he
was here, and it jumped out to me and it
grabbed me.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
When you look at the.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Broncos offense in the fourth quarter over three games, they've
only scored three points.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
And that's a problem over three games.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
So this is where the issue starts, with the inability
to finish.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
And this just goes back to the point I was
trying to make about Sean Payton turtling at the end
of games it gets tight. They know, whether it's whether
it's his play calling, whether it's his players executing it,
whatever it is, the offense does not score or at
the level that they need to to close games out.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Well, I'll say this to to add this to the
conversation for transparency.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
While what you're saying does happen, at times, I have.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Seen poor execution of a play that was dialed up.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
We saw that with.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
The two overshots to Marvin Mims. Now, I'm not blaming
bow for the overshot on court because court geared down
there that I tend to blame that one on Courtland
more than I do on bow, but that's beside the point.
But yes, you're right, there was also because I want
to be fair, very clearly want of execution at times
in those games, and we want to be clear on that.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I wanted I want to be fair because we sat
here and we talked about that first game against the
Titans where the broncos Ton shot down field and it
didn't work, and everyone was just like, oh, well they
should have didn't know the execution right the Senate got
beat across his face was changed. The whole trajectory of
that play. So to me, I like being fair. We're
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going to call things how they are, how we see
it as far as mixed cues, but also we're gonna
for me, we're gonna give credit where credit is due.
There were some great plays that Coach Payton dialed up.
That that third and nineteen play right before they have
that you know bow overshot Marvin Mamms. That was a
great play design, caught the Chargers defense slipping. Well once again,
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you gotta finish that play, and that's essentially what we're
talking about. If there was a big kneon sign, like
like a chrispy Kreme hot sign, that is out.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Thanks.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yes, that's known as being the staple of this team.
That would be the flashing light finish, finish finish, because
that's one of the biggest issues there.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
It is one of the biggest issues, and that was
one of the biggest issues yesterday. But there's also like
I keep going back to these other things because I'm like, oh,
wait a minute, Okay, it's a game of interest. Third,
you're not always going to execute. Things aren't always perfect.
It's gonna be money at the quarterbacks feed, he's not
gonna have perfect base to throw from, uh, the receiver.
You know, there's going to be those things are always
going to exist. So there is, but there is that
component to it. I don't want to. I don't want to, like,
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I don't want to sit here and pick on the
things that Sean Payton is or is doing or isn't
doing and not notify that sometimes they dialed it up
and just didn't get executed properly.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
We've seen on defense before.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
You know, you got a great call in there advance
Joseph takes a blame, but you got a great call
in there's when executed. So that's that is fair in
that regard I just I mean, there are the worst
time that you can have to go three and out
as an offense is in the fourth quarter. Your defense
is tired. They did they're gassed. They need the rest
you need. You need to be out there. You need
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to take a couple of minutes off the clock with
every drive, whether you score or not, you got to
go out there and do more than have eighteen seconds
come off the clock on three and completions things like that.
The defense, you're just gonna wear your defense out. The
best thing you can do for a defense as an
offense is have time consuming dedicated to the run drives
in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
That is so true as a guy that played defense
man where and Clinton Porters was able to get something
going a Mike Bell or Mike Anderson.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
It made life easier for us on defense.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I could get that much needed rest, I could decompress,
get my mind right, and then I can go out
there and play with my hair on fire.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
But when you're constantly back on.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
The field and you know offensive units, man, I don't
care how many future Hall of Famers you have on
your defense. And we've seen other defensive units go through
this and Steve atwater and the defensive unit.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
He was on it very talented. I mean they went
back to back people were able to move the ball
on you. They're they're going to be successful.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
That people need to get out of this whole idea
and concept that you're just going to shut people down
and it's going to be like a nine to three
baseball score. That that's that's not gonna happen. And what's
happening with the Broncos right now? This is why Ben
look at the look.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
At the red zones.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Stay Broncos want team in reds what three touchdowns and
eleven tries in the red zone, right.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
So so we know you call it bim or don't
break defense, call it whatever you want to. Teams are
gonna move the ball down the field and quarterbacks make
their money on third down inside the red zone. And
your if your defense is standing tall inside the red zone,
that means that.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Field goal kicker he's probably going to the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
This is the other reason I go back to my
call twenty nine right outside the red zone, I got
a great red zone defense.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I had to take it back full circle.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
But there are things that this team is getting picked
on that by media or by fans that aren't accurate
Riley Moss. People are trying to trade Riley Moss or
bench Riley Moss.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Riley Moss. You understand, Riley Moss.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Is the most thrown at corner in the NFL. You
know how many touchdowns he's allowed one and he was
in perfect position on that play.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Okay, So I'm gonna put this video up when I
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But that pass from Justin Herbert to Keenan Allen couldn't
have been defended any No, could not have been defended
any better.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
And he avoided Zach.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Allen who had him did the right yep, and then
he had another hand in his face with Nick Benito
threw that sucker. I was just like, bro, you go
to the sideline and your coach is giving you the
tablet and saying, well, what happened on this play?
Speaker 2 (10:24):
He's just like coach, I mean, did you see this? Yes?
Did you see this?
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Sleek?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
He got me on that did you see? And sometimes
that happens.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
But what we're seeing is knee jerk reactions when individuals
are looking at Riley Mawson and being negative about him.
To me, for all those people who are who are
saying that I would hope that that you were blessed
to be in his position, and see how different you feel, Well,
I'll go.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
I'll a little further there because this brings me, This
brings me full circle of the point I actually wanted
to make out of this whole segment. So we're simpatico here,
and that is that process.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
And result are two different things.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
And the Denver Brown Goose problems are process oriented. And
if you can fix those steps in the process, whether
it's the penalties asociation, the results will take care of themselves.
People are blaming Riley Boss on the result, but if
we clean up the processes, the results will take care
of themselves.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
And look, man, once again, this is the NFL, and
I would like to tell you that.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
You're going to stop every single throw.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
But ball placement plays a significant role in the success
of a quarterback receiver relationship. When guys are coming out
of college and they're being evaluated, people talk about, you know,
the arm talent, but they don't really put a lot
of emphasis on ball placement.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
We saw last week. PS two was in phased with
his wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Great ball placement right and velocity beat great coverage. And
on that particular play, you we sat there together, I'm
zumping up and down and I was like, no way
he made that compositis looking, I was like, there's no way.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Ninety nine times out of one hundred that does not happen.
Ninety nine quarterbacks out of one hundred that does not happen.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
And in the NFL, it's not like high school in
college where being open is like there's a five yard
gap open as a guy and you're hip pop right,
that's you.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Have one foot square.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
That's like man Peyton Man's rookie year, what he called
his daddy, and he was like, he's like, Dad, they
see nobody's open. At Archie was like saw hones. The NFL,
you got throw them open. Most of the NFL and
nobody's open.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yes. So I mean, yeah, that that's a part of it.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
I think that that bugs me a little bit is
there's a lot of everybody wants to have the reason
or whatever, and in the reality is it's more than
one thing. And then everybody wants somebody to blame, and
I'm like, it's not necessarily a somebody to blame in
this kind of situation. It's to clean up some of
these process type things and the results will take care
of themselves. You don't get a penalty on special teams,
so we never get a duover on.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
A field goal kick.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
You extended a drop, that's a that's a drop extended right. Oh,
against the cults I'm talking about you get. You don't
get a penalty to get a drive extent if they're
not enranged to be able to kick the field goal
and give you the opportunity to win. So if you
clean up the processes, the results will take care of themselves.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
And that really is the overarching message here. So what
I'm hearing.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
From what I'm hearing from you, because it seems as
though you have softened your tune since the start of
the program, because I mean, I mean.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
You hell bent for election now it seems like you've
had some time to talk. No, I both firmly believe
that those processes.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I mean, we disagree, but that's fine, But I firmly
believe those processes were wrong because it didn't give your
team the maximum amount of chances to win.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
But with that being said, and I agree, you clean
up those little garbage types of penalties and it never
is a factor to be given. That's right.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
So that's why I'm not in a full panic. I'm
not in a panic. I'm just disappointed frustrated.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
I am because I'm like, dude, Sean Payton has forgotten
more about football than I'll ever know. But I come
to these end of game situations and it's it's more
in the game, five sents left in the game, and
I'm like, bro, what are you doing this? I mean
like you're killing your team here, not giving them the
maximum chances to win.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Well, let's be fully transparent with with with the listening audience,
because if you're new to the program, let me tell
you this.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
If you're not, you know this about one Benjamin ol Bride.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
The one thing that really you know steam is team
kettle over is clock management.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Then just looks at.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
College football and high school football. He is scouring looking
for poor clock manager. Yes, yes, I am critical. Love it,
especially as the pro game.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Though you are paid kens of millions are in our
coaches case, twenty million dollars a year. You can hire,
so I will come do it for you.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
What'd you do for free? I'll do it for free.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
I'll give a trial basis on trial, first first taste
is free.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Okay, all right, but I'm gonna do for free.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
But I mean, bro, I would do it for a
lot less than one hundred thousand dollars to sit up
there in the booth on Sundays and just get into
coaches here and be like, hey, this is by the math.
Is what you need to do. Listen to me. I
know what I'm talking about, by the math. This is
what you need to do.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I want it the broncos.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
I know most teams have someone in the analytical department.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I don't even I'm not even talking about analy I'm
simp I mean I get it analytics, you know, because
that covers a broad range.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Whatever everybody's mathematics. That was your point before that, This
is clock math.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
This isn't like you don't have to have a degree
in advanced statistics to be able to understand what I'm
talking about. I'm talking about a two for one on possessions.
Anybody can understand that.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
So on the Monday night game against Grant Smith's.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Cincinnati Bengals says that ban I won't need my services
because we're gonna win that one big.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
But what you know, you never know, man, you got
to have someone on standbot Now. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
I had a conversation with somebody on the Sincey coaching
staff today.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
They are either they are either out of their minds.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Oblivious, or they know something we don't because they believe
that they can win that game. And this wasn't like
this wasn't off the record conversation.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
With that Gris Smith you were talking to.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
No, this is something off the Bengals coaching staff, Like
literally on the Bengals car I'll tell you what you'starting
to break on the Bengals coaching staff right now. And
this this is off the record conversation. Somebody blowing smoke
like you know we're gonna beat him, you know whatever.
This was off the record, like yeah, I think we
got you. And I'm like, uh right, I just watched
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your last game where Carson West carved you up.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
But see the operative word was I think we got you.
See you don't you know there's more to it than that.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
But I'm I'm summarizing for affector's not getting way.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
We got hit a break. I'll be back right after this.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
We're gonna run out to the Kelly Cosper hotline and
bring on our guy, Parker Gabriel.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Parker, how you doing this? Evening?
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Good guys? What's up? What would happen? If you just
played that on a loop for three hours?
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I would probably be laughing for three hours. I mean
I would just Yeah, I found that thing online. I
was like, great, well you played this is bump back
because it's just it's just it's a cutely funny. And
I'm here for what was acutely funny was the argument
we had in the first segment. And I'm gonna find
out where you Parker J. Gabriel on Twitter come down
on this one. Should the Broncos have gone for it
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on forth in less than a yard with five minutes.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Remaining from their own twenty nine yard line? Absolutely yes,
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Why wrong? But you asked Parker crust questions. I just
said to tell him whether he was right and wrong.
I wasn't getting an opinion that was giving him mind
that Parker Ben.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Wanted you to tell him was right, just like the
other twenty people on the text line. But I think
you earned your credit to explain the reason why, so
please go ahead.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Well, yeah, I mean a lot, a lot of it
is that they had. I mean, yeah, at that point,
you're just thinking, you know, you're trying to nurse the lead. Obviously,
you're just too far back in your own territory that
that's the main thing. If it was, even if it
was at the you know, the five maybe, yeah. In fact,
in that moment. It's funny because a couple of weeks
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ago I wrote about when they went for on that
fourth and eight against Tennessee. After the game, I was
thinking about that, and I in the moment, I was like,
this is a horrible idea. And then and then as
it went along and that that night I was watching
it back and all that, and I wasn't fully convinced.
But I wasn't. I didn't. I wasn't quite as against
it as maybe like where in my brain I started
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and I got to thinking, you know, the the the
sort of all time phrase w W D C D
what would Dan Campbell do? And I literally was thinking
yesterday during the game, I was like, I think Dan
Campbell might go for it.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Right here.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
That's not quite I'm not quite sure the Broncos have
shown enough trust. Now you can we can have a
conversation about where the root caused for those falls. But
like I'm I'm not sure that they're they're trustworthy enough
in the run game at this point. And also, you
know that they use the one play with Cortland on
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the fourth and one that got him down, So like
you know, Sean sometimes talks about using the place. I
think that was before that moment in the game, So
I could be wrong about that that there just were
a lot of factors that lined up against him. And
then you're you know, you're really backed up, and you're
really putting your defense in a tough spot if you
don't get it.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
I get that, I get that, But as I explained
to to Steven Nick earlier, we.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Don't care you get back.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Actually, it's actually better that you're backed up that far
because no matter what they do, they can't eat the
clock on you. They have to go for a touchdown
just to tie it, and they're inside of twenty nine yards.
They can only get two first downs. So for me,
I don't care. I'm trading the two for one. The
two for one being if I don't get it on
that half yard, the best they could do here is tie.
I'm gonna take the final possession, go down there and
gets field goal and win.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
You don't think the Chargers, if the Chargers would have
I mean, I guess they. I guess they did kick
the extra point with two minutes and thirty seven, right
plus Yeah, I mean I I'm not saying it's a
I'm not saying it's a total landslide. I like that argument, Ben,
I just think I'm not sure that's where the game
winner rye, although it does even in the moment it was.
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It was an interesting decision point. And when you talked,
you know, Sean Payton, when we talk about like the
you know, he'll say if he has a play and
he likes it, he's he always wants to be aggressive,
and we see that a good amount of time, but
we definitely don't see that all the time.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Right, That's what That's what I'm getting for me. That's
not where the game gets. We're gonna Rye and obviously
Nickel get into that here in a minute. There's a
lot of execution that should have could have, you know,
happened But for me, I tend to focus on these
last seven minutes of a game and in the minutia
of clock management, because it seems to be an all
encompassing problem with coaches making what to me are mathematically
bad decisions, not giving your team the maximum amount of
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opportunities to win.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Yeah, and I can certainly see that. I mean, I
think you're I think it's it's interesting, right because Sean
talked quite a bit about the difference between the way
the Tennessee game unfolded and then obviously the way the
Indie game unfolded, where it was it was up and
down the field against the Colts, and obviously Tennessee, you know,
first promising as Camboard was, they were not doing anything offensively,
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and so you could have You could also make a
pretty good argument that, hey, listen to Broncos defense. For
all the flaws we've seen over the last couple of weeks,
one area where they've been pretty good is in the
red zone. Obviously, I don't think it actually counted technically
the red zone touchdown, justin Herbert made like the Superman
play to throw that touchdown to Keenan Allen and tie
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the game. But you could if you were looking for
reasons to add to your argument, Ben, you could say, well,
this team's been pretty salty in the red zone too,
so you know they're probably going to move the ball
to the thirty Anyways, if we punted away, I'm more
concerned about them getting into the end zone from there.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
You know, park is something that has come up over
the past couple of weeks, is that the lack of
confidence by some of the members of Broncos Country when
it comes to the starting quarterback. I'll go back to
the first game of the season, the Tennessee Titans game,
and I'm walking around the stadium and I'm hearing some
fans talk about swapping out quarterbacks. Now, I'm not a
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fan of that. I think for Bow there's some issues
he needs to clean up. But from your perspective, you know,
what do you think is some of the common issues
that bow has had thus far? And do you think
that fans And I'm gonna give you the opportunity to
get edge your your two cents, but do you think
the fans are right as they criticize bo Nicks?
Speaker 4 (22:40):
I mean there's room for criticism, sure, I mean it's
been far from perfect. I don't any talk about him,
you know, not not playing or being on the bench
for I think that's way premature. I mean, is it
in the spectrum of possibility that we get there at
some point this year? I mean, I you know, strange
like strange things happen as happened, that would be a surprise,
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even like from here, a big surprise, I think. But like, yeah,
it hasn't been great to me. And I don't know
what you guys think. I'm interested to hear your thoughts.
Like I part of me thinks that he it's just
a little bit rushed, Like there's some stuff. The Fleet
flicker is a perfect example. There's an outside rush. Does
he need to step up when he catches the pitch? Yes, absolutely.
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Does he need to throw that ball essentially on the run,
going forward and just sort of hot potato, get it
out of his hand and launch it as fast as
he can? No, I mean no, he just didn't need
to do that, he himself said on the Sutton one.
He should have taken an extra beat, you know, put
a little more air under the ball and maybe, you know,
done anything other than overthrow, which he'd already done two
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times earlier in the game. So I know Sean Payton
said the deep ball stuff is, you know, fiftieth on
his list of things to correct, but it's not so
much to me. Although those are three massive plays. A
touchdown from the high red zone potentially to men's and
then obviously the deep balls to mens and sudden those
are three potential, real big plays in the game that
you didn't get. But some of it also is you know,
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those beings. Those might not be what he's worried about,
but are they symptoms of what the actual issue is.
And a lot of times to me, it looks like
he's just a little bit in a hurry and he's
playing off platform, you know, a little too much. These
aren't radical problems, they're not things that are unsolvable, but that's.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
What it looks like to me.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
I mean, where do you land on it?
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Well, for me me, I look at and I'll start
with the play that you just brought up on that
fleet flicker. I told Ben once Bow climbed the pocket
and avoided the rush from the outside. Had he released
the ball at that particular point, it's a touchdown. He
could have gone either way with Franklin or Marvin Man's
but he climbed to in the pocket where he then
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give him room to step in, and now he had
to throw with all arm. And sometimes when quarterbacks are
put in that position, they put a little too much
on it, and that's exactly kind of what he did.
But even with that being said to me, I think
those are things that you learn from and you grow.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
And those are teachable situations.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Obviously, looking back on it hindsight, being twenty twenty, you say, well,
that's a missopportunity for.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
The Denver Broncos. But this is why I'm not really down.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
If the team fixes some of their minor issues that
happen so frequently that's why they're being blown out of proportion,
then a lot of what we're talking about would change
for this team.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Yeah, I mean I tend to agree with you know.
The thing about it is like they've been penalized a lot,
and that's stuff that largely some of that you're just
you're playing aggressive and you're gonna comm make penalties, and
that's okay. Everybody has some of them. They've had too many.
They've had killer offensive penalties. On yesterday, they had penalties
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I think on six of their offense.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
The possessions.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
So that's just a tough way to make a living,
and then you go three and out seven times and
eleven trips. To me, look, the commonality, if there is
one between the offense and the defense is that they're
both a little bit too boom or bus right now.
You're just looking to kind of smooth the road a
little bit. You want the big plays, you want the touchdowns,
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you want to takeaways, you want all those things. What
you really want is you want to know that you're
going to get something productive almost every time the offense
goes out there. And when they were going good last year,
competition was a little bit different all that. But they
got in a pretty good in a pretty good groove
last year where they still had too many three and outs,
but they get in longer stretches where hey, at least
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you're getting a couple first downs and you're punting and
you know, worst case now it's like three and out.
You didn't do anything. You've got boat next after the
game saying, man, it just kept out, kept feeling like
we went backward and backward and backward. That's not a
good place to be after a game as a quarterback
or an offense. Doesn't mean it's not fixable, but it
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just it wasn't good obviously yesterday, as.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
We look forward Monday night game against the Cincinnati Bengals, who,
with all due respect to grants, looked pretty hapless against
the Minnesota Vikings this past week. Matter of fact, you
look at the next half dozen games that Broncos have
and it looks pretty straightforward in terms of at least
winnable games all but probably Philadelphia. As you look at this,
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I mean, I know we're I don't want to say
we're sitting at low point right now, but it sort
of feels that way.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Do you suspect that.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
They can, because these were close losses, turn this thing
around and be somewhere in the five to seven win
range by the time you get done with Dallas or
you know, the Raiders. I think is the one after that,
if I'm not mistaken, Yeah, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
I think so.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
I think that's all in play. There's a couple of
tricky elements to it. Obviously, you've got two more games
on the road here, there's like four out of five
stretch on the road, you know, neutral site t nically
obviously playing in London against the Jets, but still away
from Denver for you know, nine or ten days. That
trip last year was sort of seen in retrospect as
(28:09):
a galvanizing moment, maybe just out of you know, universal
creeped out by the Greenbrier or something like that. But regardless,
I come together trip last fall a little earlier in
the season. But you're right. I mean, they play four
out of five on the road, then they've got four
out of five at home when they get back from London.
They'll get back on October thirteenth, plate on the twelfth.
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They only play one game on the road between then
and I think the Washington game at the end of Thanksgiving.
The only time they leave is to go down to
Houston and play in early November. So that's a spot
where that's a portion of the schedule where you've just
got to make some hey. If you're going to be
in that ten eleven win range, if you're going to
be in the division, if you're going to be in
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the in the playoff picture. It kind of starts Monday.
You don't have to win all of them, obviously, but
this stretch of opportunity to make them hey starts with
the Bengals and it really runs all the way and
tell and it's not like it ends when they play
Kansas City in mid November. But the stretch between now
and then, you know, is really they're going to play
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mostly at home after the next two weeks, and they've
got some teams on the schedule where they can do
some damage.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Last real quick one from me. He talked to somebody
with the Bengals this morning. They and I don't know
if it's delusion, I don't know what it is, but
this guy who works he's on the coaching staff of
the CINCINNTI Bengals, off the record conversation that that blown
smoke or anything legitimately on the phone with me, suggested
that they think they've got a good plan for Monday
and that they could take the Denver Broncos. Is there
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any way in your mind where you looking at this
thing and you're thinking Jake Browning is going to beat
this team.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Well, you still got to cover the receivers. I mean,
that's the thing that those guys are really good. So
if you can play on time, miss or the Daniel
Jones plan, right, if you can play on time, don't
double tap this football, get it out of here hands.
You can. They can move the ball. But the thing
about it is like their offensive line has been bad obviously,
and their defense has been really bad. So I'm not
(30:10):
saying it to come out. You know, sometimes Champagne and
these games gets in the Let's throw it forty five
times in all over the Arden score fifty points. To me,
it's a game that should look like what the Chargers
did to the Broncos thirty six minutes, time of possession,
twenty nine first down, long grinding drives. I mean, you'll
take big plays and touchdowns, but the Jake Browning in
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that offense shouldn't be on the field that often. That
should that should be the goal of a game like this,
where you can really lean on somebody and impose your will.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
So no samaj p Ryan, Noah fan revenge game incoming, then.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
That would be pretty spicy.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
That would be.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Would be fun. Parker, We appreciate the time as always. Yeah,
God take care, Parker Gabriel at Parker J. Gabriel on Twitter.
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
See see how I did that? Spin that out as.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Yeah, I appreciate you guys putting up with my trying
to walk through the mass stuff. Further, I got to
find a better way to explain that. But there are
other things to focus on. It's not any one thing.
I'm focusing on some minutia stuff, and it's not any
one thing that's going wrong here. There's a lot wrong
with this Denver Broncos team. And there is an encouraging
side of that because, as you pointed out earlier, you
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lost two games on walkoff so the last second, even
with all these things going wrong, the Denver Broncos are
a very heavily penalized team. Right now, you doing the break,
you said what Hufanga and Troupman, I think lead the
leader the team penalties.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah, both Hufunga and Adam Trautman both have three apiece
to lead the.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Bronco at least won a game. Right there, that's you know,
that's a problem. The Denver Broncos are the team with
the worst success rate on first down of any team
in the NFL, the absolute worst.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Okay, well, once against. I like to break things down
and look at them in pieces, because I know, like
you said, when you led into this particular segment, they
got a lot of problems. And to me, I don't
think they have a lot of problems, but the problems
that they have are so glaring that it looks like
(01:27):
it's a tsunami of issues and we're just talking about
one right now. As far as penalties and listen, I
played this game long enough to know that things are
gonna happen, and players don't seek out to put their.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Team in bad situations.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Sometimes, if you're an offensive lineman, it's based on maybe
you're not moving your feet and you're grabbing so you
get a hold the call.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Being a dB.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I mean, they can happen at any point if the
game is being called in a very ticky, tacky way
where ref is not allowing you to play. The receiver
is pushing off, but you can't really grab quats and
kind of regain position. So we know that those types
of things happen, but it's untimely penalties. Some of these
penal penalties are I'm going to call them mental breakdowns.
(02:15):
And like I told Steve, it's not a single guy
that I know that's ever played this game and graded out.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Steve, he.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Looked at He's like, oh, you're never graded out on
It was so it was so fun. But He's right,
everybody makes mistakes. This isn't Madden where the digital players
play perfectly and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
It's not. People are human.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
There are mistakes made, and as you get more tired,
more mistakes get made.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
All that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Absolutely, But what I'm saying is just this offense, this
highly vaunted offense, Uh, just by this highway vaulted.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
I see how you set that up.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
You set it up so high so.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
You can make the fall even harder. Well, well, continue,
I mean there are thirty two teams in the NFL.
The Denver Broncos ranked thirty second in success rate on
first down. They ranked twenty eighth in EPA expected points
added on first down, there are twenty ninth in the
NFL and percentage of plays that gain another first down.
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There are three teams in the league that are worse,
and you can guess all three of them, I promise you.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
So are the Jets. Are the Jets?
Speaker 1 (03:27):
There the teams that are worst, I can tell you right now.
Hang on Cincinnati bengalscause I'm thinking the Giants, the Las
Vegas Raiders. Now the Giants because they had that game
against Dallas and they played the numbers a little bit. Yeah,
but yeah they are not They are not the worst.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
But see that goes back to what I say every
week about the Broncos being able to start fast.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Like we go back to the Coach game, right, even
in that game.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
The Broncos started slow, but then the second half, in
that second quarter fourteen points, they were great. Now, historically
the Broncos have had issues coming out starting games and
also out of halftime really slow. Against the Chargers, we
sat down and watch it. I mean we were like, Yo,
(04:13):
this is what I'm talking about, right, And then j K.
Dobbin's got that touchdown tiptoe to the sideline dove in.
It's like, yes, this is the type of offense that
I anticipate having every.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Time coming out of the half. Let's start this way.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
And I put it on something to Steve when he
was here, and it jumped out to me and it
grabbed me.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
When you look at the.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Broncos offense in the fourth quarter over three games, they've
only scored three points.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
And that's a problem over three games.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
So this is where the issue starts, with the inability
to finish.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
And this just goes back to the point I was
trying to make about Sean Payton turtling at the end
of games it gets tight. They know, whether it's whether
it's his play calling, whether it's his players executing it,
whatever it is, the offense does not score or at
the level that they need to to close games out.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Well, I'll say this to to add this to the
conversation for transparency.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
While what you're saying does happen, at times, I have.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Seen poor execution of a play that was dialed up.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
We saw that with.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
The two overshots to Marvin Mims. Now, I'm not blaming
bow for the overshot on court because court geared down
there that I tend to blame that one on Courtland
more than I do on bow, but that's beside the point.
But yes, you're right, there was also because I want
to be fair, very clearly want of execution at times
in those games, and we want to be clear on that.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I wanted I want to be fair because we sat
here and we talked about that first game against the
Titans where the broncos Ton shot down field and it
didn't work, and everyone was just like, oh, well they
should have didn't know the execution right the Senate got
beat across his face was changed. The whole trajectory of
that play. So to me, I like being fair. We're
(05:59):
going to call things how they are, how we see
it as far as mixed cues, but also we're gonna
for me, we're gonna give credit where credit is due.
There were some great plays that Coach Payton dialed up.
That that third and nineteen play right before they have
that you know bow overshot Marvin Mamms. That was a
great play design, caught the Chargers defense slipping. Well once again,
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you gotta finish that play, and that's essentially what we're
talking about. If there was a big kneon sign, like
like a chrispy Kreme hot sign, that is out.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Thanks.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yes, that's known as being the staple of this team.
That would be the flashing light finish, finish finish, because
that's one of the biggest issues there.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
It is one of the biggest issues, and that was
one of the biggest issues yesterday. But there's also like
I keep going back to these other things because I'm like, oh,
wait a minute, Okay, it's a game of interest. Third,
you're not always going to execute. Things aren't always perfect.
It's gonna be money at the quarterbacks feed, he's not
gonna have perfect base to throw from, uh, the receiver.
You know, there's going to be those things are always
going to exist. So there is, but there is that
component to it. I don't want to. I don't want to, like,
(07:06):
I don't want to sit here and pick on the
things that Sean Payton is or is doing or isn't
doing and not notify that sometimes they dialed it up
and just didn't get executed properly.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
We've seen on defense before.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
You know, you got a great call in there advance
Joseph takes a blame, but you got a great call
in there's when executed. So that's that is fair in
that regard I just I mean, there are the worst
time that you can have to go three and out
as an offense is in the fourth quarter. Your defense
is tired. They did they're gassed. They need the rest
you need. You need to be out there. You need
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to take a couple of minutes off the clock with
every drive, whether you score or not, you got to
go out there and do more than have eighteen seconds
come off the clock on three and completions things like that.
The defense, you're just gonna wear your defense out. The
best thing you can do for a defense as an
offense is have time consuming dedicated to the run drives
in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
That is so true as a guy that played defense
man where and Clinton Porters was able to get something
going a Mike Bell or Mike Anderson.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
It made life easier for us on defense.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I could get that much needed rest, I could decompress,
get my mind right, and then I can go out
there and play with my hair on fire.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
But when you're constantly back on.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
The field and you know offensive units, man, I don't
care how many future Hall of Famers you have on
your defense. And we've seen other defensive units go through
this and Steve atwater and the defensive unit.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
He was on it very talented. I mean they went
back to back people were able to move the ball
on you. They're they're going to be successful.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
That people need to get out of this whole idea
and concept that you're just going to shut people down
and it's going to be like a nine to three
baseball score. That that's that's not gonna happen. And what's
happening with the Broncos right now? This is why Ben
look at the look.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
At the red zones.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Stay Broncos want team in reds what three touchdowns and
eleven tries in the red zone, right.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
So so we know you call it bim or don't
break defense, call it whatever you want to. Teams are
gonna move the ball down the field and quarterbacks make
their money on third down inside the red zone. And
your if your defense is standing tall inside the red zone,
that means that.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Field goal kicker he's probably going to the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
This is the other reason I go back to my
call twenty nine right outside the red zone, I got
a great red zone defense.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I had to take it back full circle.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
But there are things that this team is getting picked
on that by media or by fans that aren't accurate
Riley Moss. People are trying to trade Riley Moss or
bench Riley Moss.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Riley Moss. You understand, Riley Moss.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Is the most thrown at corner in the NFL. You
know how many touchdowns he's allowed one and he was
in perfect position on that play.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Okay, So I'm gonna put this video up when I
go home, and you can check You can check out
my other videos at Nick ferguson Underscore twenty five. Give
me a follow and also give me your your comments.
But that pass from Justin Herbert to Keenan Allen couldn't
have been defended any No, could not have been defended
any better.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
And he avoided Zach.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Allen who had him did the right yep, and then
he had another hand in his face with Nick Benito
threw that sucker. I was just like, bro, you go
to the sideline and your coach is giving you the
tablet and saying, well, what happened on this play?
Speaker 2 (10:24):
He's just like coach, I mean, did you see this? Yes?
Did you see this?
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Sleek?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
He got me on that did you see? And sometimes
that happens.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
But what we're seeing is knee jerk reactions when individuals
are looking at Riley Mawson and being negative about him.
To me, for all those people who are who are
saying that I would hope that that you were blessed
to be in his position, and see how different you feel, Well,
I'll go.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
I'll a little further there because this brings me, This
brings me full circle of the point I actually wanted
to make out of this whole segment. So we're simpatico here,
and that is that process.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
And result are two different things.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
And the Denver Brown Goose problems are process oriented. And
if you can fix those steps in the process, whether
it's the penalties asociation, the results will take care of themselves.
People are blaming Riley Boss on the result, but if
we clean up the processes, the results will take care
of themselves.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
And look, man, once again, this is the NFL, and
I would like to tell you that.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
You're going to stop every single throw.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
But ball placement plays a significant role in the success
of a quarterback receiver relationship. When guys are coming out
of college and they're being evaluated, people talk about, you know,
the arm talent, but they don't really put a lot
of emphasis on ball placement.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
We saw last week. PS two was in phased with
his wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Great ball placement right and velocity beat great coverage. And
on that particular play, you we sat there together, I'm
zumping up and down and I was like, no way
he made that compositis looking, I was like, there's no way.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Ninety nine times out of one hundred that does not happen.
Ninety nine quarterbacks out of one hundred that does not happen.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
And in the NFL, it's not like high school in
college where being open is like there's a five yard
gap open as a guy and you're hip pop right,
that's you.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Have one foot square.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
That's like man Peyton Man's rookie year, what he called
his daddy, and he was like, he's like, Dad, they
see nobody's open. At Archie was like saw hones. The NFL,
you got throw them open. Most of the NFL and
nobody's open.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yes. So I mean, yeah, that that's a part of it.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
I think that that bugs me a little bit is
there's a lot of everybody wants to have the reason
or whatever, and in the reality is it's more than
one thing. And then everybody wants somebody to blame, and
I'm like, it's not necessarily a somebody to blame in
this kind of situation. It's to clean up some of
these process type things and the results will take care
of themselves. You don't get a penalty on special teams,
so we never get a duover on.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
A field goal kick.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
You extended a drop, that's a that's a drop extended right. Oh,
against the cults I'm talking about you get. You don't
get a penalty to get a drive extent if they're
not enranged to be able to kick the field goal
and give you the opportunity to win. So if you
clean up the processes, the results will take care of themselves.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
And that really is the overarching message here. So what
I'm hearing.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
From what I'm hearing from you, because it seems as
though you have softened your tune since the start of
the program, because I mean, I mean.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
You hell bent for election now it seems like you've
had some time to talk. No, I both firmly believe
that those processes.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I mean, we disagree, but that's fine, But I firmly
believe those processes were wrong because it didn't give your
team the maximum amount of chances to win.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
But with that being said, and I agree, you clean
up those little garbage types of penalties and it never
is a factor to be given. That's right.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
So that's why I'm not in a full panic. I'm
not in a panic. I'm just disappointed frustrated.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
I am because I'm like, dude, Sean Payton has forgotten
more about football than I'll ever know. But I come
to these end of game situations and it's it's more
in the game, five sents left in the game, and
I'm like, bro, what are you doing this? I mean
like you're killing your team here, not giving them the
maximum chances to win.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Well, let's be fully transparent with with with the listening audience,
because if you're new to the program, let me tell
you this.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
If you're not, you know this about one Benjamin ol Bride.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
The one thing that really you know steam is team
kettle over is clock management.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Then just looks at.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
College football and high school football. He is scouring looking
for poor clock manager. Yes, yes, I am critical. Love it,
especially as the pro game.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Though you are paid kens of millions are in our
coaches case, twenty million dollars a year. You can hire,
so I will come do it for you.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
What'd you do for free? I'll do it for free.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
I'll give a trial basis on trial, first first taste
is free.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Okay, all right, but I'm gonna do for free.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
But I mean, bro, I would do it for a
lot less than one hundred thousand dollars to sit up
there in the booth on Sundays and just get into
coaches here and be like, hey, this is by the math.
Is what you need to do. Listen to me. I
know what I'm talking about, by the math. This is
what you need to do.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I want it the broncos.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
I know most teams have someone in the analytical department.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I don't even I'm not even talking about analy I'm
simp I mean I get it analytics, you know, because
that covers a broad range.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Whatever everybody's mathematics. That was your point before that, This
is clock math.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
This isn't like you don't have to have a degree
in advanced statistics to be able to understand what I'm
talking about. I'm talking about a two for one on possessions.
Anybody can understand that.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
So on the Monday night game against Grant Smith's.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Cincinnati Bengals says that ban I won't need my services
because we're gonna win that one big.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
But what you know, you never know, man, you got
to have someone on standbot Now. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
I had a conversation with somebody on the Sincey coaching
staff today.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
They are either they are either out of their minds.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Oblivious, or they know something we don't because they believe
that they can win that game. And this wasn't like
this wasn't off the record conversation.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
With that Gris Smith you were talking to.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
No, this is something off the Bengals coaching staff, Like
literally on the Bengals car I'll tell you what you'starting
to break on the Bengals coaching staff right now. And
this this is off the record conversation. Somebody blowing smoke
like you know we're gonna beat him, you know whatever.
This was off the record, like yeah, I think we
got you. And I'm like, uh right, I just watched
(16:26):
your last game where Carson West carved you up.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
But see the operative word was I think we got you.
See you don't you know there's more to it than that.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
But I'm I'm summarizing for affector's not getting way.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
We got hit a break. I'll be back right after this.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
We're gonna run out to the Kelly Cosper hotline and
bring on our guy, Parker Gabriel.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Parker, how you doing this? Evening?
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Good guys? What's up? What would happen? If you just
played that on a loop for three hours?
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I would probably be laughing for three hours. I mean
I would just Yeah, I found that thing online. I
was like, great, well you played this is bump back
because it's just it's just it's a cutely funny. And
I'm here for what was acutely funny was the argument
we had in the first segment. And I'm gonna find
out where you Parker J. Gabriel on Twitter come down
on this one. Should the Broncos have gone for it
(17:11):
on forth in less than a yard with five minutes.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Remaining from their own twenty nine yard line? Absolutely yes,
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Why wrong? But you asked Parker crust questions. I just
said to tell him whether he was right and wrong.
I wasn't getting an opinion that was giving him mind
that Parker Ben.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Wanted you to tell him was right, just like the
other twenty people on the text line. But I think
you earned your credit to explain the reason why, so
please go ahead.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Well, yeah, I mean a lot, a lot of it
is that they had. I mean, yeah, at that point,
you're just thinking, you know, you're trying to nurse the lead. Obviously,
you're just too far back in your own territory that
that's the main thing. If it was, even if it
was at the you know, the five maybe, yeah. In fact,
in that moment. It's funny because a couple of weeks
(18:05):
ago I wrote about when they went for on that
fourth and eight against Tennessee. After the game, I was
thinking about that, and I in the moment, I was like,
this is a horrible idea. And then and then as
it went along and that that night I was watching
it back and all that, and I wasn't fully convinced.
But I wasn't. I didn't. I wasn't quite as against
it as maybe like where in my brain I started
(18:27):
and I got to thinking, you know, the the the
sort of all time phrase w W D C D
what would Dan Campbell do? And I literally was thinking
yesterday during the game, I was like, I think Dan
Campbell might go for it.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Right here.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
That's not quite I'm not quite sure the Broncos have
shown enough trust. Now you can we can have a
conversation about where the root caused for those falls. But
like I'm I'm not sure that they're they're trustworthy enough
in the run game at this point. And also, you
know that they use the one play with Cortland on
(19:09):
the fourth and one that got him down, So like
you know, Sean sometimes talks about using the place. I
think that was before that moment in the game, So
I could be wrong about that that there just were
a lot of factors that lined up against him. And
then you're you know, you're really backed up, and you're
really putting your defense in a tough spot if you
don't get it.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
I get that, I get that, But as I explained
to to Steven Nick earlier, we.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Don't care you get back.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Actually, it's actually better that you're backed up that far
because no matter what they do, they can't eat the
clock on you. They have to go for a touchdown
just to tie it, and they're inside of twenty nine yards.
They can only get two first downs. So for me,
I don't care. I'm trading the two for one. The
two for one being if I don't get it on
that half yard, the best they could do here is tie.
I'm gonna take the final possession, go down there and
gets field goal and win.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
You don't think the Chargers, if the Chargers would have
I mean, I guess they. I guess they did kick
the extra point with two minutes and thirty seven, right
plus Yeah, I mean I I'm not saying it's a
I'm not saying it's a total landslide. I like that argument, Ben,
I just think I'm not sure that's where the game
winner rye, although it does even in the moment it was.
(20:15):
It was an interesting decision point. And when you talked,
you know, Sean Payton, when we talk about like the
you know, he'll say if he has a play and
he likes it, he's he always wants to be aggressive,
and we see that a good amount of time, but
we definitely don't see that all the time.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Right, That's what That's what I'm getting for me. That's
not where the game gets. We're gonna Rye and obviously
Nickel get into that here in a minute. There's a
lot of execution that should have could have, you know,
happened But for me, I tend to focus on these
last seven minutes of a game and in the minutia
of clock management, because it seems to be an all
encompassing problem with coaches making what to me are mathematically
bad decisions, not giving your team the maximum amount of
(20:53):
opportunities to win.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Yeah, and I can certainly see that. I mean, I
think you're I think it's it's interesting, right because Sean
talked quite a bit about the difference between the way
the Tennessee game unfolded and then obviously the way the
Indie game unfolded, where it was it was up and
down the field against the Colts, and obviously Tennessee, you know,
first promising as Camboard was, they were not doing anything offensively,
(21:19):
and so you could have You could also make a
pretty good argument that, hey, listen to Broncos defense. For
all the flaws we've seen over the last couple of weeks,
one area where they've been pretty good is in the
red zone. Obviously, I don't think it actually counted technically
the red zone touchdown, justin Herbert made like the Superman
play to throw that touchdown to Keenan Allen and tie
(21:40):
the game. But you could if you were looking for
reasons to add to your argument, Ben, you could say, well,
this team's been pretty salty in the red zone too,
so you know they're probably going to move the ball
to the thirty Anyways, if we punted away, I'm more
concerned about them getting into the end zone from there.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
You know, park is something that has come up over
the past couple of weeks, is that the lack of
confidence by some of the members of Broncos Country when
it comes to the starting quarterback. I'll go back to
the first game of the season, the Tennessee Titans game,
and I'm walking around the stadium and I'm hearing some
fans talk about swapping out quarterbacks. Now, I'm not a
(22:18):
fan of that. I think for Bow there's some issues
he needs to clean up. But from your perspective, you know,
what do you think is some of the common issues
that bow has had thus far? And do you think
that fans And I'm gonna give you the opportunity to
get edge your your two cents, but do you think
the fans are right as they criticize bo Nicks?
Speaker 4 (22:40):
I mean there's room for criticism, sure, I mean it's
been far from perfect. I don't any talk about him,
you know, not not playing or being on the bench
for I think that's way premature. I mean, is it
in the spectrum of possibility that we get there at
some point this year? I mean, I you know, strange
like strange things happen as happened, that would be a surprise,
(23:01):
even like from here, a big surprise, I think. But like, yeah,
it hasn't been great to me. And I don't know
what you guys think. I'm interested to hear your thoughts.
Like I part of me thinks that he it's just
a little bit rushed, Like there's some stuff. The Fleet
flicker is a perfect example. There's an outside rush. Does
he need to step up when he catches the pitch? Yes, absolutely.
(23:24):
Does he need to throw that ball essentially on the run,
going forward and just sort of hot potato, get it
out of his hand and launch it as fast as
he can? No, I mean no, he just didn't need
to do that, he himself said on the Sutton one.
He should have taken an extra beat, you know, put
a little more air under the ball and maybe, you know,
done anything other than overthrow, which he'd already done two
(23:47):
times earlier in the game. So I know Sean Payton
said the deep ball stuff is, you know, fiftieth on
his list of things to correct, but it's not so
much to me. Although those are three massive plays. A
touchdown from the high red zone potentially to men's and
then obviously the deep balls to mens and sudden those
are three potential, real big plays in the game that
you didn't get. But some of it also is you know,
(24:10):
those beings. Those might not be what he's worried about,
but are they symptoms of what the actual issue is.
And a lot of times to me, it looks like
he's just a little bit in a hurry and he's
playing off platform, you know, a little too much. These
aren't radical problems, they're not things that are unsolvable, but that's.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
What it looks like to me.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
I mean, where do you land on it?
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Well, for me me, I look at and I'll start
with the play that you just brought up on that
fleet flicker. I told Ben once Bow climbed the pocket
and avoided the rush from the outside. Had he released
the ball at that particular point, it's a touchdown. He
could have gone either way with Franklin or Marvin Man's
but he climbed to in the pocket where he then
(24:59):
give him room to step in, and now he had
to throw with all arm. And sometimes when quarterbacks are
put in that position, they put a little too much
on it, and that's exactly kind of what he did.
But even with that being said to me, I think
those are things that you learn from and you grow.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
And those are teachable situations.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Obviously, looking back on it hindsight, being twenty twenty, you say, well,
that's a missopportunity for.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
The Denver Broncos. But this is why I'm not really down.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
If the team fixes some of their minor issues that
happen so frequently that's why they're being blown out of proportion,
then a lot of what we're talking about would change
for this team.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Yeah, I mean I tend to agree with you know.
The thing about it is like they've been penalized a lot,
and that's stuff that largely some of that you're just
you're playing aggressive and you're gonna comm make penalties, and
that's okay. Everybody has some of them. They've had too many.
They've had killer offensive penalties. On yesterday, they had penalties
(25:58):
I think on six of their offense.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
The possessions.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
So that's just a tough way to make a living,
and then you go three and out seven times and
eleven trips. To me, look, the commonality, if there is
one between the offense and the defense is that they're
both a little bit too boom or bus right now.
You're just looking to kind of smooth the road a
little bit. You want the big plays, you want the touchdowns,
(26:21):
you want to takeaways, you want all those things. What
you really want is you want to know that you're
going to get something productive almost every time the offense
goes out there. And when they were going good last year,
competition was a little bit different all that. But they
got in a pretty good in a pretty good groove
last year where they still had too many three and outs,
but they get in longer stretches where hey, at least
(26:44):
you're getting a couple first downs and you're punting and
you know, worst case now it's like three and out.
You didn't do anything. You've got boat next after the
game saying, man, it just kept out, kept feeling like
we went backward and backward and backward. That's not a
good place to be after a game as a quarterback
or an offense. Doesn't mean it's not fixable, but it
(27:06):
just it wasn't good obviously yesterday, as.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
We look forward Monday night game against the Cincinnati Bengals, who,
with all due respect to grants, looked pretty hapless against
the Minnesota Vikings this past week. Matter of fact, you
look at the next half dozen games that Broncos have
and it looks pretty straightforward in terms of at least
winnable games all but probably Philadelphia. As you look at this,
(27:29):
I mean, I know we're I don't want to say
we're sitting at low point right now, but it sort
of feels that way.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Do you suspect that.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
They can, because these were close losses, turn this thing
around and be somewhere in the five to seven win
range by the time you get done with Dallas or
you know, the Raiders. I think is the one after that,
if I'm not mistaken, Yeah, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
I think so.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
I think that's all in play. There's a couple of
tricky elements to it. Obviously, you've got two more games
on the road here, there's like four out of five
stretch on the road, you know, neutral site t nically
obviously playing in London against the Jets, but still away
from Denver for you know, nine or ten days. That
trip last year was sort of seen in retrospect as
(28:09):
a galvanizing moment, maybe just out of you know, universal
creeped out by the Greenbrier or something like that. But regardless,
I come together trip last fall a little earlier in
the season. But you're right. I mean, they play four
out of five on the road, then they've got four
out of five at home when they get back from London.
They'll get back on October thirteenth, plate on the twelfth.
(28:31):
They only play one game on the road between then
and I think the Washington game at the end of Thanksgiving.
The only time they leave is to go down to
Houston and play in early November. So that's a spot
where that's a portion of the schedule where you've just
got to make some hey. If you're going to be
in that ten eleven win range, if you're going to
be in the division, if you're going to be in
(28:52):
the in the playoff picture. It kind of starts Monday.
You don't have to win all of them, obviously, but
this stretch of opportunity to make them hey starts with
the Bengals and it really runs all the way and
tell and it's not like it ends when they play
Kansas City in mid November. But the stretch between now
and then, you know, is really they're going to play
(29:13):
mostly at home after the next two weeks, and they've
got some teams on the schedule where they can do
some damage.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Last real quick one from me. He talked to somebody
with the Bengals this morning. They and I don't know
if it's delusion, I don't know what it is, but
this guy who works he's on the coaching staff of
the CINCINNTI Bengals, off the record conversation that that blown
smoke or anything legitimately on the phone with me, suggested
that they think they've got a good plan for Monday
and that they could take the Denver Broncos. Is there
(29:42):
any way in your mind where you looking at this
thing and you're thinking Jake Browning is going to beat
this team.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Well, you still got to cover the receivers. I mean,
that's the thing that those guys are really good. So
if you can play on time, miss or the Daniel
Jones plan, right, if you can play on time, don't
double tap this football, get it out of here hands.
You can. They can move the ball. But the thing
about it is like their offensive line has been bad obviously,
and their defense has been really bad. So I'm not
(30:10):
saying it to come out. You know, sometimes Champagne and
these games gets in the Let's throw it forty five
times in all over the Arden score fifty points. To me,
it's a game that should look like what the Chargers
did to the Broncos thirty six minutes, time of possession,
twenty nine first down, long grinding drives. I mean, you'll
take big plays and touchdowns, but the Jake Browning in
(30:31):
that offense shouldn't be on the field that often. That
should that should be the goal of a game like this,
where you can really lean on somebody and impose your will.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
So no samaj p Ryan, Noah fan revenge game incoming, then.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
That would be pretty spicy.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
That would be.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Would be fun. Parker, We appreciate the time as always. Yeah,
God take care, Parker Gabriel at Parker J. Gabriel on Twitter.
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