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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Hall of Famer, Steve Atwater Hall of Fame mustache
Grismith back there five six, six nine zero is the
text line Rocco's coming off that Monday Night dumb got
him Monday Night Football DUB twenty eight three. Did anybody
get a little word when they saw that score? Like
you did you get like PTSD from the Falcons? Like
the Patriots thing real quick when you saw that score?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Yeah? What are you talking about? Ben? Oh? It was okay.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
So I'm in the iHeart suite at the time when
they get to the twenty there's like five minutes left
the game at that point. But they get to twenty
eight three and no coming back now, And I was like,
don't tell the Falcons that, And let's see that's different.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
See once again in that particular game that you were
refacing the Patriots and the Falcons, that was Matt Ryan
versus Tom Brady. Yes, and unless you were able to
sell me on Jake Browning being the second coming, which
I know that you could not, there's no way there
was coming back from that.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah. T twelve he died even TV two.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
He's not even Teddy Bridgewater twelve like Tom Brady twelve
twelve man, come on out, no man, Jake Browning, I
felt I felt bad for it. I felt bad for him,
but I think I felt worse for those Cincinnati Bengals
receivers that couldn't do anything all game, whether it was
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a quarterback not throwing the ball accurately other put it
in my vicinity, Yeah, it throwing it a yard and
a half out of bowels and helping anybody.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Well, how did you do this?
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Staring at that dude and Russell Wilson so hard?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
How did you do that as a quarterback? I don't
care who you are with pressure like that. Now, let
me let me reverse that because last year we saw
when these two teams face in December twenty twenty four,
Joe Burrow was under that same level of scrutiny right
from the pressure that is, but he was still able
to make something out of nothing. Because you go back
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to that game last year, the Broncos sack Burrow seven
times seven. So that just shows where Jake Brownie isn't
and the where the elite status is of Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
And I think his talent.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Is dying in Cincinnati, is dying there well, and when
he got when he got drafted, and then the next
year when they went out there, the.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Year when they went out and got Chase you know
his dude, right, But everybody was criticizing them because that
offensive line was terrible and they never went out got
you know, they had the opportunity to get pin they
Seoul and didn't and they went and got chased and
that chased a ball. Or don't get me wrong, but
they criminally ignored that offensive line for years and it
like it cost him a Super Bowl when Aaron Donald
busted through with the Rams. It has cost them the
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quarterback multiple seasons. And I don't understand how a team
with that kind of investment in the quarterback and in
those two receivers is not throwing everything else they've got
at an offensive line to keep him up right, to
be able to get the ball.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
You look at most of the great teams, he was lying,
it's very important to them.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
It should be making ament. You don't have an offensive line,
you have nothing. I think you and Ben are looking
at this the wrong way. See what you guys about it.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
You guys are evaluating this from an organizational standpoint that
understands football. This is a big wrongest organization that they
don't understand football. You're talking about organization that is cheap
as hell. I remember when I was a rookie there.
You know they have jockstraps. Usually go to a new team,
they give you fresh box with a new jock strap. No, no, no,
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not in Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
There's that plastic tumbleware bend where you got to go
and dig.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
No, no, yes, yes what.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
I'm friends here, But my boys don't go where your
boys go. I'm just saying I did. You don't go
commanding another guy's fatigue. In this case, they had used
jockstraps just because you were a rookie.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
No, it's almost like the community bathroom is. It's like
a tumble working time, right exactly. And once again for
organization to do that to their players, and you expect them.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
The Cincinnati Bengals organization to know football enough to show
up their offensive line.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Good luck with that. Bro changed over the years, I
don't know. I think they changed.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Garson Palmers was going to retire rather than play for
them anymore. We give up millions of dollars and just retire.
And then then he moved on to the Raiders, and
I think the Cardinals after that, we see, see.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
You have been spoiled right coming into the Broncos organization
and then finishing with the Jesse. You've never had to
endure the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, good for you.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Yeah, and yeah, I tell guys, don't take for granted
the organization that you're with, especially if you're with the
top organization, because you don't realize you go someplace else,
you're like, oh, man, I made a big mistake.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yes, you know how I want to go. You know
that's saying, you know, love the one you with, That's
one you would not want to love. I'm telling you.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
I mean you don't want to love that one. You
want to get out of there as quickly as possible.
And I'm sure when you look watched the game last night,
did you see Jamar Chase.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Bottom.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Language was all over the place. But that speaks to
the frustration. It wasn't just Jake Browning, it was just
that that defense too.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Man.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
We've seen several.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Great playmakers on different teams, someone off of someone defense,
great players who are with teams that are a little
bit spar and the frustration level yeah through the roof.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yeah, I mean that this has been a constant story
with the Bengals. To Knick's credit on these, I mean,
like it's not just negat to use Jockstrass. Alfred Williams
has talked about how chief the Bengals were over the years.
Palmer forced to the Carl Carl Pickens clause. You remember
that the Bengals put fines in people's contracts if they
criticized the team publicly, and so Carl Pickens ended up
finish his career with.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
The Titans was in ninety eight.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
They cut punter Lee Johnson, and then Mike Brown tried
to find him after he cut.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Him for a confer meeting for interviews.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
He did Tequio Spikes, Jeff Blake, John Kidna have all
that publicly critical what the Cincinnati.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Bengals did to Gilden, Yes, their rookie linebacker, trying to
put clauses in his contract.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
And then we look at what we saw on Monday night.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I mean, if you are playing on that team, you
think of, okay, well why am I fighting right? And
I know it sounds ridiculous because the team is paying you,
but he gets to a point where you like, man,
cause someone come get me. And this is where players
get frustrated, and they asked to be traded. They asked
to get out of there and think about the amount
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of money that the Bengals committed to the offensive side
of the ball between Higgins, Chase and Joe Burrow. So
to me, if I'm a player, I'm a free agent,
I don't want to go to that team because I
saw no fight.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Last night, none whatsoever. They laid down and the Broncos
ran right away. And that's a prime example that Whney
is not enough. When getting paid, they said, no, no,
noice it you get paid Steed. So you need to
go out there and do your job. Yeah, that's not enough.
It's not enough. It's not enough.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
It's not enough for me to go out there and
put my body in physical harm knowing as though the
organization isn't as committed as they're asking me to be.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I know that sounds harsh, but that that is a
harsh reality. That's what it is.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
And they've been you know, there's been We saw the
holdout with the rookie with they try to slip new
furbage and with Shamar Stewart this off season.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I'll go back home with you.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Warren Sap was gonna be a Bengal and then at
the last second they pivoted to the Raiders because the
Bengals kept messing with the money in the contract and
try and just try to.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Slip the little stuff in there last minute because boy,
he'd to cause some problems.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
But yeah, it was one of those ones with uh
because uh yeah, Sap was like hours away from signing
with Cincinnati, and then they pivoted the next day to
the Raiders after the Bengals can't messing with his money.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
You know what that's a testament to, you know, teams
and organizations and companies who try to be cheap right
or BETTYE let me put it in business lingo cost effective.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Right.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
You're thinking that you're getting.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
The best of the best, but you're not because you're
undermining yourself. And in one particular moment, you may think
that you are best in that player because you're keeping
things under the salary cap, but when you really look
at it long term, you're you're hurting yourself.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
And this is what we're constantly seeing with this team.
I mean we've seen it for years.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Bulla Science in a couple of weeks ago said something
about I think he went back for I guess some.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Ring of fame thing or whatever pay for his own
travel at hotel what they said him an invite and
told him to come, but they didn't pay for anything.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Yeah, so all of you brought alumnaidred. Listen up, man,
we have a great ownership group and all that man.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Definitely be be thankful.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
But once again, see you put yourself in that locker
room and have time and knowing as no there's no
Joe Burrow, you still have a talented bunch of guys
on the offensive side of the ball. If you were
in that Bengal's locker room, what would you have said
to some of those guys to try to pick them up.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Well, sometimes you have to put all of that other
stuff aside.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
That's the way I looked at it, regardless of regardless
of what the owners are doing, or regardless of sometimes
even the coaches, because you know, you have coaches that
aren't necessarily players, coaches or coaches who you know say
and do things to get under even the leaders on
the team's skin.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
And what I would say is, hey, sometimes you.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Got to say it's us, but we're gonna We're gonna
go out there we're gonna, we're gonna play for our pride.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
We're gonna, we're still gonna play as.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Well as we can play, regardless of all the other stuff,
because you don't want.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
To be embarrassed. You don't want to, you know, be
disrespected by.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
The other team them seeing you be able to put
this terrible tape on fam where you're not giving good effort.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I was always like that, I'm giving effort. All the
other stuff, yeah, I understand it, but I'm giving I'm
giving my best. But see, that's the great thing about
Monday night football is.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
That everyone's watching. You have an opportunity to show the
world your best or you're worse, and you put that
on tape. And we've all lost some games. We all
want some games. But for me, from a talent evaluate standpoint,
whether it's on the collegiate level or pro level, I'm
looking at those games where teams were not performing well.
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I want to see what guys are still playing.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
But the thing is, like.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Football is the ultimate team sport. You know, your teammates
help you win. But then sometimes your teammates they may help.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
You lose, but you still can be or you may
help the team winner but now there's one glaring Yeah. No,
I mean yeah, I'm with you on that. It's it's
it is.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
And that's one thing I always look for when teams
down lose, like who's fighting that Arizona game the other
day against was the Seattle I think it was whatever
it was. Yeah, And you could see, like in Marvin
Harrison in that first hand, like his head he had
to he was not He's not in That guy was
in Vegas or something. I don't know, but you could
see there were guys fighting, Like Greg Dorts was out
there fighting, and I'm like, you know what I mean,
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you can see you can see those guys were fighting.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
A couple of things I wanted to focus on for
the from the Broncos performance last night.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
I mean, they get the dub. There were a couple
of things though, like they still got to clean the
penalties out. We clean you lose a game. You get
that many penalties against a good team. Do we have
a problem at the center position, because it kind of
looks like we got a problem at the center position.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
You're talking about a couple of back to back penalties.
How about a waterburger back there? Yeah? Uh yeah, And when.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Are we gonna I see Pascewski coming in on the
number sixty three.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Is eligible when we go to get him, then well,
in you have to earn that right.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
You have to earn that in practice, going through a
couple of reps where you build up enough confidence in
a coach to call plays specifically for you to to
kind of make those plays.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
But the Broncos, the answer your question, do they have
a uh issue at the center position? I'm gonna say
as of now, no, is there things to be concerned about, Yes,
because you don't want anyone on your team to have
consecutive penalties like that that can be drive killers. So
whatever it is that you need to game as a player,
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you got to you gotta fix that.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Yeah, but he has done that every game, you know
what I'm saying. This game, Yeah, it was an anomaly,
But I don't think that's that's that's something you can
work on in practice.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Get. I don't think it will be a problem going
for it. See.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
The only reason I said that it's not a big
issue is it's concerned because you're gonna go in a row, right,
you got a game in London and you got a
game on Sunday, against Philadelphia. And it's one thing for
things to happen at home if you're an offensive lineman
when you know you can hear.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
But when you on the road in the.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Rockets crowd or you know everyone is against you and
you can't hear, some of those mistakes are magnified. And
what I do know is when you when you win
a game, everything that went wrong, no one wants to
focus on. It's as if it never happened. But if
you don't pay attention to it, you don't acknowledge it,
that's the time. That's the time you got to take
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accountability on those kinds of It'll.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Be addressed, but I'm just saying I don't think you
know after its address that it'll continue to pop up
what have been hold on out?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Now you both notice it all depends on your makeup
as an individual.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Some guys can take harsh criticism and some guys can't.
And it's those to be harsh.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Though, well, I think he means hard criticism like hard truth. Well,
and it could be harsh too. Don't came up on
a parcels. It can't be you have you have parceles too,
so you know it can't. He never talked, but he
knew who we need to talk to like that too,
because a lot of coaches doing some coaches on some coaches,
yet at everybody, you know where you say losing everybody
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you say that. Steve was like, I don't know if
you know this or not, but I've been in the league. No, no, no,
I don't blasting rings up. I was like, how many
you No, no, no, I didn't do that. But just
the way we communicate with each other, we just didn't.
We didn't communicate like that right right now. And that's
what there are.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
That's something I've learned over the years is that, yeah,
one of them dudes like you can you can blow
up my spot.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
You can.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
I mean you can come at me sideways like I'm
not gonna I'm not gonna be phased by it. Like okay,
all right, that's a note. Let me me take the
note out of that, and I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
One is made. Is that clump.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
They're not and they're not our good buddy Ryan, Like
Ryan Edwards needs like instructive building right.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I just saw him on the elevator. Ryan needs an
constructed build up though, Like that's it. That's his personality.
Type and he's a constructed build up. So I'm somebody.
I mean, you can lie it to me and I'm
gonna be like, right, it's you knows word. Oh for
me being around like look with my dad being a
loan show man and being around Bill Parcells and Georgia.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
O'Leary, that was never never in my personality. Could no,
you could man sensitive in my neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Oh yeah, oh man, yeah, sharks in the water.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Look at into my hands every day, sharks in the water,
and that sensitivity is blood.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
But I mean like that, But that's the thing something.
Different people need to.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Be coached different ways, right, And that's We've talked about
this before, like I don't mind. I don't mind hard coaching.
Like I said, it's whatever because I'm one of those
guys like I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna give it back
to like when you're.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Be better, be prepared because I gotta lit vet them.
So it's you know, I get it. But different people
are wired different ways. It's how you respond to it.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
At the end of the day. It's how you respond, Like, Okay,
you're the issue here, this is the issue. How are
you going to correct that? Are you gonna sit there
and whine ab I getting corrected on it? Or are
you gonna correct the problem? And this is why I say, well,
it's not an issue for me. It's just a slight
concern because I don't know his mental makeup.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
And how he's going to handle it. And that's a lot.
So we're making what he need to have for you
to say you to justify you just going off on him.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
And this first of all, I just know how some
coaches are, and we both know that some coaches are
I'll talk to you, coach, pull you aside.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Some coaches are I'm gonna talk to you. And when
I say talk to you is an all casts Andrew
that's coming out in my mind. It's like sens of
the street. It's really.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
So it all depends on what kind of coach you have,
Like you could either talk to someone with a gentle
hand or you could use a jag camra. Well okay,
but this it's like like for me, like I'm gonna
if I'm partying corrective discussion the first, I'm gonna pull
you aside and talk to you first, and if you don't, then.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
I'm gonna pull you aside. And with them capital letters
talk to you like everybody gets a second chance, nobody
gets a third, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Like I start out with like the lowest level of
you know, the easiest, the most level of discourse there is,
and then it just gets ratching it up as my
frustration goes on.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
It's the problem doesn't get directed. I just don't in
the vicinity of what I would be.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Yes, So it goes back to just being able to
process information. And maybe because I played on defense, you know,
my entire career, and from a defense perspective, you always
had to have a short memory. You had to have
a memory like a GoFish, right, that type of thing.
So it all depends on especially cornerback. Yes, So it
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all depends on how wattin Berberg handles the situation right,
and then knowing is though you're facing the Eagles, how
much of that is going to be in your head,
especially if you have a negative play.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Against one of the best defensive lines of football.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
So it's a slippery slope, That's what I'm saying. This
is where you have to be careful because it's a
slippery slope.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
There were positives to take out of it. Too, Denver.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Broncos got the run game going, kept those guys in
for series at a time.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
I want to get to that.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
We get back you guys. Listen to Broncos Country tonight
here on KOA are good friend Rod Mackie from from television.
I was up there in the press box that sat
down and at first I thought it was I thought
it was Romies, but it was not.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
It was Rod Macky carries a discman. He's got an old.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Yeah, and I'm like, wait, what's got You had the
refreshment c D in there or whatever, but this dude's
got a discman rolling and it's like an old school
It's like an actual this.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Isn't new, like an old walkman, like he's had this
thing since the night.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Just a sody walkman, sody disman. And this dude's rolling
around with the SODI. I'm like, bro, that things in
the Smithsonian right proudly. I'm like, think did they make
fun of you?
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Like look look at the.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Brothers, like you know how they used to bronze baby shoes.
It is that almost Like I was like, did you
spend up for the disc protection? Like does the skip
protection protection?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I was like, I have not seen one of these
in twenty years.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Wow at least, and back then we couldn't even imagine that.
Nowadays we don't even unity of that.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Like when when the iPod first came out. Yeah, you
remember when to CD playing and you're like, bro, I
got twelve, I got fifteen songs. Yeah, when the iPod
came out, man, I got the whole Internet.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
But the whole thing about carrying a Walkman CD player
is the fact that, yes, you have twelve songs, twelve
fifteen songs on that disc.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Well, you got to carry a duffel bag for the
you know what I'm talking about. I mean it beat
the it beat the cassette thing or whatever. You know
you remember that. Wait, see now you're talking about consent.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
You brought me back because my dad had an eight
track player when I was in high school and he
still had that little case.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
They had the big they looked like video game cattridges.
Get cassette. I remembers you'd be listening to radio, you'd
be trying to record your song and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
You like, you can't try from but you have to
put paper in the get the get the things like that,
and you try to write it on that little tiny
car to the thing and you're whipping it down the side.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
You know, honey, it's make a NIX ninety seven or whatever.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
I know, listen, I know I wasn't the only one
that would do what you're you're talking about, Like there
would always be a famous DJ, and it was like
maybe on a Friday, nine o'clock or whatever, they playing
the slow jams and you make that slow jam.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Tape and you took it to school and give it
to a girl. Oh yeah, okay, I know, I know,
I said, yes, the only one that's not agreeing with Steve.
You gave a mix tape to a girl. You give
a NX tape to a dude. I've never given anybody.
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Oh my god. I was like, you got a boy? Yes, yes,
I did. It look like, oh yeah, you got We
just talked about we talked about track. A minutego, it's
time to see if I still got two hundred.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
But yes, Steve, I did record a mixtape back then,
like yeah, yes, oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Girls loved that you started off with something good, but
then you had to take it up a notch a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
But then you didn't want to burn it all out
on three sots. You had to cool it off a
little bit and then you had to bring it back.
It was a whole the mixtape. Yes, you hat a
little forcing ds on that thing. Tend to love. Come on, man,
I was practicing football, oh Steve.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Those those sit there and trying to be mantra. Brad,
you made a mixtape. You might not have given it,
but you made one of a purple ra. Yes, what
about some grant if you ever made a mixtape mixtape?
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I had the mixtape mixtapes given to me made for us?
Why say save for me?
Speaker 5 (21:59):
Was rolling like that, and we didn't have cassettes in
my day and age right because we were burning CDs
for sure.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Cast like the record players.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Now I've got a record, let's finny eying it comes
back around Now I got a record play because everything
sounds better on vinyl. But anyway, yeah, the text like
bass boost, remember you had to switch for the bass boost?
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Yes, yes, fis country tonight yep.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Well to talk about these running backs though, man, like, uh,
we we got the production that we wanted. We started
to see Sean Payton bend a little bit on some
things that probably needed to have been to a little
bit earlier, and that's let those backs get in a
road getting a rhythm, you know, by not rotating them
out of a play, leaving them in for a few
plays in a row, letting them find the rhythm, find
the feed man. I said this to Rod and Nate
when they were here earlier. If we had a running
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back that's had the patience and the vision like j K. Dobbins,
how is how long has it been? It's been a while,
you know what it would go back to? I believe
two thousand and what was it.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
I can't remember the exact date, but the last back
that we had that had that level of production that JK.
Dobbins showed and that level of patience was a guy
that Sean.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Payton's quite familiar with, with Tavis Murray. I think maybe
back in twenty twenty three. Yeah, but I'm talking about
like said, like this was this was the other way.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Like you watching this and I'm like, man, it's so
beautiful the ways block set up and then the visioned
to find a backside. He's a patient too.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
You think he's like he's going he is going kind
of slow because he's trying to decide you know where's
it going to open up at.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
That's what I call leve Bell roll Leveon Bell never
never ran full speed. That guy was running quarter speed.
Just let the blocks set up, just going through, going through,
and then once he got clear.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Pot man, that that explosion once he once he hits it.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Boy, Dobbins made the offensive line and to the offensive
line credit, they did a good job of blocking. But
what we where we're describing, what we're talking about is
his patients and he set up a lot of those blocks.
And for me as a player, he reminded me of
a guy who played the ends, Ladania Thomason. He's got
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the jump cut and being able to stop Paul. As
we set your feet and go again.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
Dobbins is the lone back, tight trips left. Mims comes
in motion, they pitch it to Dobbins left side. Dobbins
has the edge. Here we go fifteen. Dobbins pushed out
of bounds as he got to the fifteen with a
big run. That's Jordan Battle. He's got to be close
to one hundred right there. That's a gain of sixteen
and he's over one hundred yards.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
That breaks a.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
Streak of thirty seven straight games, the longest active streak
in the NFL and one that you don't really want
of the Broncos without one hundred yard rusher in a
single game.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
And he did it on sixteen carries and it wasn't
like he did it on sixteen carries and had like
one explosive you know where you get like a seventy
two yard carry in the game.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
His the longest run of the night with sixteen yards. Yeah,
he's pounding. He was pounding the rock and fined in.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Five six yards, five six yards, four yards, five six yards.
That's what we need with this offense needs to be successful,
and it's going to set everything else up. Going four,
Boken be at his best, building off play action. It
sets everything up. And I'm just like, okay, if we
can just take this and we could continue this, because
we've all seen Sean Payton hit on something and then
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be like, all right, I'll get to that in twenty games.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Right, one of these weeks, I don't know if it
was last week or the week before, I believe we
had mentioned that when you're playing a game like who
wants to be taken out like after two or three plays?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Right, we said something about that, Yeah, because it breaks
your rhythm.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Could you imagine being a safety right and you make
a couple of tacos, you got four four plays and
then take you out.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Bro, I'm telling you I be coach. Just keep me
out man. Well this robins like if they try to
pull me off and be like what for? What? What?
No hell? You gotta get in the groove. Man, I'm glad,
I'm glad that this has happened. Ye.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Here's the other thing that loved about what we saw
on Monday night. Not just the fact that we saw
a lot of both Dobbins and Harvey been utilized by
Sean Payton, you know, for whatever reason changing his philosophy
and committing to the run.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
It opened up the boot game. Yeah, we still threw
almost fifty times.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
By the way, that game at least dropped back with
some of those were opponents runs, but we still you know,
we still almost dropped back almost fifty times in that game.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Because if you don't establish the run. We still had
this a thousand times. The defense isn't going to expect run,
so lady's gonna drop back. They'll pin their ears back
on the front. They drop back.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
The other part of that is we gotta trafficing a second.
But the other part of that to me is you
got to have the confidence that you can do that,
because when you get late in the season and when
you get to the playoffs, you've got to have that
that you've got to be able to get those tough yards.
You gotta have the confidence that you're able to do that.
I think a game like that will help out with that.
We'll get to more of that when we come back.
Five six, six, nine zeros of text Slade. You guys
got any questions? Want to get to that seven toero
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base boost. Yeah, there's a song called Mixtape by rock
reggae band called Bally who check him out. You'll get
a good laugh. And then he says run game last
night on point that's Dyan monument. So do we have
faith that Sean Payton will stick with that run game?
Speaker 2 (27:11):
That is the question.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Yeah, I'm not sure, and I'm honestly saying that because
we haven't seen it consistently over the past couple of years. Now,
based on the level of production that took place on
Monday Night, the idea is definitely you want to see
it because it opened up the offense once again for
both knicks to execute, and we just we talked about
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both of the running backs, how great they were. And
I have to give shouts out to r. J. Harvey
because there was a little criticism of him where there
were both fans and those in the media not thinking
that he was the back of choice, meaning as though, well,
we saw a lot of JK. Dobbins and he had
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very minimum time. But he called a pass from bow
and it was on the Bengals sideline and he kind
of threw it out front so he can reach out
and catch it. And for me, for those individuals who
didn't think the dude had hands, he put it on display.
And for me going into the game when Jojo and
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I were doing a pregame show, I was saying, utilize
both of these backs like an album Kamara, get him
out on the perimeter and put the ball in their hands,
because we saw him break tackles, shot.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
And snap Nicks in the pocket, swings one out and
they checked down with a nice catch on the sideline.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
It's r. J. Harvey, I'll tell you what. The rookie's showing.
Fantastic hands there.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
That ball came on a laser and was belt high
and Harvey just as easy as you please, reached out,
snatched it and then picks up nineteen yards first down Denver.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, it's I mean, he caught balls back in college
like he was. You know, he just went very nanny
like he had hands. Whatever they threw the bude, he
didn't do. It'scus mals on offense, right. You're not throwing
the ball to the back unless it's on the wheels,
So it's not you know, it's just it doesn't happen
that often.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
But you know he had answer.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
And there's only so many touches too. I mean there
was only one ball, and you know you're trying to
get the wide receiver, the receptions, you're trying to get
tight in some receptions, trying to you know, trying to
get the running.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Back you know runs. It's just it's not enough.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
But to me, it's not just about carries, because most
people say, well, feed the runner back, give them carries.
Like for me, no, it's touches, right, It's almost like
mentally playing fantasy football in your head, give him touches
and looking at how both guys were used, but R. G.
Harvey specifically giving him some of those same plays that
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we've seen last year and earlyer this season with Marvin
Memmes where he's now swinging out and for some reason
I don't know what was going on with the Bengals defense.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
It's almost like they couldn't count.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Like you see a guy swing quarterback turn and it's
like it takes you guys like Ale to get to him.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
In the case of Marvin Mems, whether it was Memes
or whether it was R. J.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Harvey on the swing route, your eyes automatically go to
that guy.
Speaker 7 (30:08):
They should bring a defender, but it was like they
would just you know how sometimes sometimes you guys think
they're faster than they are and they don't get wide
enough and now oh yeah, yeah it was the Bengals
have got.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Work to do on that defense.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
They I hesitate to bash somebody after they lose, but
there's a no, no, no, no, no, no, don't hesitate.
There's a lack of talenthash get if there was ever
a time, Ben, could you even take the hammer and
go to.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Work, Yeah, go to I don't think I would need
a hammer on that defense. I feel bad they were uh,
you know, I could use a little paint stir and
just been like and that would have been you know,
they were that defense is bad. That all the offense.
I mean, they got some players, but the offensive line
is bad. The defense is.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Bad, and the fact that their quarterback has gone makes it.
I mean, I feel bad for Grant who's a Bengals fan,
because that that team is.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Devoid of talent. You hadn't heard anything from man. Hey,
I wore my Broncos geared to the game. I was
Joe Burrow Bronco. They needed you the most.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
My parents were in their Burrough jerseys and I was like,
I'm wearing my Broncos. Yeah, yeah, I know this game
is gonna through.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
The skylight away. That's a great that's agreed, that's a
green chitty. Yes.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Instead, he knew what was up in that game. I mean, look,
I think it was good. I think I thought they
threw it a little too much. I mean, what was
it forty almost fifty drop backs when you know, I
mean bo had some rushing out of drop backs, but
almost almost fifty times on the one hand, and I'm like,
that's too much throwing the ball against a bad team.
On the other, I'm like, you know what that offense
need to get into a rhythm. Why not tune it
up in a game like that where you got opportunity.
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So I'm not too mad at it in that case. Uh,
especially since they got the run game going. Yeah, I
don't love seeing uh you know he and Courtland Sudden
connect they had five connections away.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Oh boy, he got hit too. Yeah, trying to talk,
you trying to talk like, oh my god, I can't breathe.
He took somebody to help me. Yeah, yeah, said you
can't cover me. I love that route too, because the
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Bengos defenders once again look confused. Anytime you have three
receivers to one side, you.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Always have four over three, meaning as though you have
one more defender than they have. And the Broncos in
that case, they ran all go special and and here's
the thing that that was baffling for me watching the game.
It's like, where's the awareness of the Cincinnati Bingos defense.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Courtland Sudden normally lines up outside. He's in the slot.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Some happening, something happening something, man, we gotta hit a break.
We'll figure out what that is. Broncos country that back over.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
This shotgun snapped bow to the end zone. Ball is talking.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
That is a great catch by s Portland Sutton Denver
touchdown twenty yards strike. Sutton got dumped in the end
zone but bo nicks a laser shot.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Sutton went up cradled and it came down on the
small of his back.
The Hall of Famer, Steve Atwater Hall of Fame mustache
Grismith back there five six, six nine zero is the
text line Rocco's coming off that Monday Night dumb got
him Monday Night Football DUB twenty eight three. Did anybody
get a little word when they saw that score? Like
you did you get like PTSD from the Falcons? Like
the Patriots thing real quick when you saw that score?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Yeah? What are you talking about? Ben? Oh? It was okay.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
So I'm in the iHeart suite at the time when
they get to the twenty there's like five minutes left
the game at that point. But they get to twenty
eight three and no coming back now, And I was like,
don't tell the Falcons that, And let's see that's different.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
See once again in that particular game that you were
refacing the Patriots and the Falcons, that was Matt Ryan
versus Tom Brady. Yes, and unless you were able to
sell me on Jake Browning being the second coming, which
I know that you could not, there's no way there
was coming back from that.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah. T twelve he died even TV two.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
He's not even Teddy Bridgewater twelve like Tom Brady twelve
twelve man, come on out, no man, Jake Browning, I
felt I felt bad for it. I felt bad for him,
but I think I felt worse for those Cincinnati Bengals
receivers that couldn't do anything all game, whether it was
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a quarterback not throwing the ball accurately other put it
in my vicinity, Yeah, it throwing it a yard and
a half out of bowels and helping anybody.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Well, how did you do this?
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Staring at that dude and Russell Wilson so hard?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
How did you do that as a quarterback? I don't
care who you are with pressure like that. Now, let
me let me reverse that because last year we saw
when these two teams face in December twenty twenty four,
Joe Burrow was under that same level of scrutiny right
from the pressure that is, but he was still able
to make something out of nothing. Because you go back
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to that game last year, the Broncos sack Burrow seven
times seven. So that just shows where Jake Brownie isn't
and the where the elite status is of Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
And I think his talent.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Is dying in Cincinnati, is dying there well, and when
he got when he got drafted, and then the next
year when they went out there, the.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Year when they went out and got Chase you know
his dude, right, But everybody was criticizing them because that
offensive line was terrible and they never went out got
you know, they had the opportunity to get pin they
Seoul and didn't and they went and got chased and
that chased a ball. Or don't get me wrong, but
they criminally ignored that offensive line for years and it
like it cost him a Super Bowl when Aaron Donald
busted through with the Rams. It has cost them the
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quarterback multiple seasons. And I don't understand how a team
with that kind of investment in the quarterback and in
those two receivers is not throwing everything else they've got
at an offensive line to keep him up right, to
be able to get the ball.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
You look at most of the great teams, he was lying,
it's very important to them.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
It should be making ament. You don't have an offensive line,
you have nothing. I think you and Ben are looking
at this the wrong way. See what you guys about it.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
You guys are evaluating this from an organizational standpoint that
understands football. This is a big wrongest organization that they
don't understand football. You're talking about organization that is cheap
as hell. I remember when I was a rookie there.
You know they have jockstraps. Usually go to a new team,
they give you fresh box with a new jock strap. No, no, no,
(03:30):
not in Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
There's that plastic tumbleware bend where you got to go
and dig.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
No, no, yes, yes what.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
I'm friends here, But my boys don't go where your
boys go. I'm just saying I did. You don't go
commanding another guy's fatigue. In this case, they had used
jockstraps just because you were a rookie.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
No, it's almost like the community bathroom is. It's like
a tumble working time, right exactly. And once again for
organization to do that to their players, and you expect them.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
The Cincinnati Bengals organization to know football enough to show
up their offensive line.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Good luck with that. Bro changed over the years, I
don't know. I think they changed.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Garson Palmers was going to retire rather than play for
them anymore. We give up millions of dollars and just retire.
And then then he moved on to the Raiders, and
I think the Cardinals after that, we see, see.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
You have been spoiled right coming into the Broncos organization
and then finishing with the Jesse. You've never had to
endure the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, good for you.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Yeah, and yeah, I tell guys, don't take for granted
the organization that you're with, especially if you're with the
top organization, because you don't realize you go someplace else,
you're like, oh, man, I made a big mistake.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yes, you know how I want to go. You know
that's saying, you know, love the one you with, That's
one you would not want to love. I'm telling you.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
I mean you don't want to love that one. You
want to get out of there as quickly as possible.
And I'm sure when you look watched the game last night,
did you see Jamar Chase.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Bottom.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Language was all over the place. But that speaks to
the frustration. It wasn't just Jake Browning, it was just
that that defense too.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Man.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
We've seen several.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Great playmakers on different teams, someone off of someone defense,
great players who are with teams that are a little
bit spar and the frustration level yeah through the roof.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yeah, I mean that this has been a constant story
with the Bengals. To Knick's credit on these, I mean,
like it's not just negat to use Jockstrass. Alfred Williams
has talked about how chief the Bengals were over the years.
Palmer forced to the Carl Carl Pickens clause. You remember
that the Bengals put fines in people's contracts if they
criticized the team publicly, and so Carl Pickens ended up
finish his career with.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
The Titans was in ninety eight.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
They cut punter Lee Johnson, and then Mike Brown tried
to find him after he cut.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Him for a confer meeting for interviews.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
He did Tequio Spikes, Jeff Blake, John Kidna have all
that publicly critical what the Cincinnati.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Bengals did to Gilden, Yes, their rookie linebacker, trying to
put clauses in his contract.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
And then we look at what we saw on Monday night.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I mean, if you are playing on that team, you
think of, okay, well why am I fighting right? And
I know it sounds ridiculous because the team is paying you,
but he gets to a point where you like, man,
cause someone come get me. And this is where players
get frustrated, and they asked to be traded. They asked
to get out of there and think about the amount
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of money that the Bengals committed to the offensive side
of the ball between Higgins, Chase and Joe Burrow. So
to me, if I'm a player, I'm a free agent,
I don't want to go to that team because I
saw no fight.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Last night, none whatsoever. They laid down and the Broncos
ran right away. And that's a prime example that Whney
is not enough. When getting paid, they said, no, no,
noice it you get paid Steed. So you need to
go out there and do your job. Yeah, that's not enough.
It's not enough. It's not enough.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
It's not enough for me to go out there and
put my body in physical harm knowing as though the
organization isn't as committed as they're asking me to be.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I know that sounds harsh, but that that is a
harsh reality. That's what it is.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
And they've been you know, there's been We saw the
holdout with the rookie with they try to slip new
furbage and with Shamar Stewart this off season.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I'll go back home with you.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Warren Sap was gonna be a Bengal and then at
the last second they pivoted to the Raiders because the
Bengals kept messing with the money in the contract and
try and just try to.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Slip the little stuff in there last minute because boy,
he'd to cause some problems.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
But yeah, it was one of those ones with uh
because uh yeah, Sap was like hours away from signing
with Cincinnati, and then they pivoted the next day to
the Raiders after the Bengals can't messing with his money.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
You know what that's a testament to, you know, teams
and organizations and companies who try to be cheap right
or BETTYE let me put it in business lingo cost effective.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Right.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
You're thinking that you're getting.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
The best of the best, but you're not because you're
undermining yourself. And in one particular moment, you may think
that you are best in that player because you're keeping
things under the salary cap, but when you really look
at it long term, you're you're hurting yourself.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
And this is what we're constantly seeing with this team.
I mean we've seen it for years.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Bulla Science in a couple of weeks ago said something
about I think he went back for I guess some.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Ring of fame thing or whatever pay for his own
travel at hotel what they said him an invite and
told him to come, but they didn't pay for anything.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Yeah, so all of you brought alumnaidred. Listen up, man,
we have a great ownership group and all that man.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Definitely be be thankful.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
But once again, see you put yourself in that locker
room and have time and knowing as no there's no
Joe Burrow, you still have a talented bunch of guys
on the offensive side of the ball. If you were
in that Bengal's locker room, what would you have said
to some of those guys to try to pick them up.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Well, sometimes you have to put all of that other
stuff aside.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
That's the way I looked at it, regardless of regardless
of what the owners are doing, or regardless of sometimes
even the coaches, because you know, you have coaches that
aren't necessarily players, coaches or coaches who you know say
and do things to get under even the leaders on
the team's skin.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
And what I would say is, hey, sometimes you.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Got to say it's us, but we're gonna We're gonna
go out there we're gonna, we're gonna play for our pride.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
We're gonna, we're still gonna play as.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Well as we can play, regardless of all the other stuff,
because you don't want.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
To be embarrassed. You don't want to, you know, be
disrespected by.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
The other team them seeing you be able to put
this terrible tape on fam where you're not giving good effort.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I was always like that, I'm giving effort. All the
other stuff, yeah, I understand it, but I'm giving I'm
giving my best. But see, that's the great thing about
Monday night football is.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
That everyone's watching. You have an opportunity to show the
world your best or you're worse, and you put that
on tape. And we've all lost some games. We all
want some games. But for me, from a talent evaluate standpoint,
whether it's on the collegiate level or pro level, I'm
looking at those games where teams were not performing well.
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I want to see what guys are still playing.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
But the thing is, like.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Football is the ultimate team sport. You know, your teammates
help you win. But then sometimes your teammates they may help.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
You lose, but you still can be or you may
help the team winner but now there's one glaring Yeah. No,
I mean yeah, I'm with you on that. It's it's
it is.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
And that's one thing I always look for when teams
down lose, like who's fighting that Arizona game the other
day against was the Seattle I think it was whatever
it was. Yeah, And you could see, like in Marvin
Harrison in that first hand, like his head he had
to he was not He's not in That guy was
in Vegas or something. I don't know, but you could
see there were guys fighting, Like Greg Dorts was out
there fighting, and I'm like, you know what I mean,
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you can see you can see those guys were fighting.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
A couple of things I wanted to focus on for
the from the Broncos performance last night.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
I mean, they get the dub. There were a couple
of things though, like they still got to clean the
penalties out. We clean you lose a game. You get
that many penalties against a good team. Do we have
a problem at the center position, because it kind of
looks like we got a problem at the center position.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
You're talking about a couple of back to back penalties.
How about a waterburger back there? Yeah? Uh yeah, And when.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Are we gonna I see Pascewski coming in on the
number sixty three.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Is eligible when we go to get him, then well,
in you have to earn that right.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
You have to earn that in practice, going through a
couple of reps where you build up enough confidence in
a coach to call plays specifically for you to to
kind of make those plays.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
But the Broncos, the answer your question, do they have
a uh issue at the center position? I'm gonna say
as of now, no, is there things to be concerned about, Yes,
because you don't want anyone on your team to have
consecutive penalties like that that can be drive killers. So
whatever it is that you need to game as a player,
(12:39):
you got to you gotta fix that.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Yeah, but he has done that every game, you know
what I'm saying. This game, Yeah, it was an anomaly,
But I don't think that's that's that's something you can
work on in practice.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Get. I don't think it will be a problem going
for it. See.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
The only reason I said that it's not a big
issue is it's concerned because you're gonna go in a row, right,
you got a game in London and you got a
game on Sunday, against Philadelphia. And it's one thing for
things to happen at home if you're an offensive lineman
when you know you can hear.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
But when you on the road in the.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Rockets crowd or you know everyone is against you and
you can't hear, some of those mistakes are magnified. And
what I do know is when you when you win
a game, everything that went wrong, no one wants to
focus on. It's as if it never happened. But if
you don't pay attention to it, you don't acknowledge it,
that's the time. That's the time you got to take
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accountability on those kinds of It'll.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Be addressed, but I'm just saying I don't think you
know after its address that it'll continue to pop up
what have been hold on out?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Now you both notice it all depends on your makeup
as an individual.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Some guys can take harsh criticism and some guys can't.
And it's those to be harsh.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Though, well, I think he means hard criticism like hard truth. Well,
and it could be harsh too. Don't came up on
a parcels. It can't be you have you have parceles too,
so you know it can't. He never talked, but he
knew who we need to talk to like that too,
because a lot of coaches doing some coaches on some coaches,
yet at everybody, you know where you say losing everybody
(14:15):
you say that. Steve was like, I don't know if
you know this or not, but I've been in the league. No, no, no,
I don't blasting rings up. I was like, how many
you No, no, no, I didn't do that. But just
the way we communicate with each other, we just didn't.
We didn't communicate like that right right now. And that's
what there are.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
That's something I've learned over the years is that, yeah,
one of them dudes like you can you can blow
up my spot.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
You can.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
I mean you can come at me sideways like I'm
not gonna I'm not gonna be phased by it. Like okay,
all right, that's a note. Let me me take the
note out of that, and I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
One is made. Is that clump.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
They're not and they're not our good buddy Ryan, Like
Ryan Edwards needs like instructive building right.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I just saw him on the elevator. Ryan needs an
constructed build up though, Like that's it. That's his personality.
Type and he's a constructed build up. So I'm somebody.
I mean, you can lie it to me and I'm
gonna be like, right, it's you knows word. Oh for
me being around like look with my dad being a
loan show man and being around Bill Parcells and Georgia.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
O'Leary, that was never never in my personality. Could no,
you could man sensitive in my neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Oh yeah, oh man, yeah, sharks in the water.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Look at into my hands every day, sharks in the water,
and that sensitivity is blood.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
But I mean like that, But that's the thing something.
Different people need to.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Be coached different ways, right, And that's We've talked about
this before, like I don't mind. I don't mind hard coaching.
Like I said, it's whatever because I'm one of those
guys like I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna give it back
to like when you're.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Be better, be prepared because I gotta lit vet them.
So it's you know, I get it. But different people
are wired different ways. It's how you respond to it.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
At the end of the day. It's how you respond, Like, Okay,
you're the issue here, this is the issue. How are
you going to correct that? Are you gonna sit there
and whine ab I getting corrected on it? Or are
you gonna correct the problem? And this is why I say, well,
it's not an issue for me. It's just a slight
concern because I don't know his mental makeup.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
And how he's going to handle it. And that's a lot.
So we're making what he need to have for you
to say you to justify you just going off on him.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
And this first of all, I just know how some
coaches are, and we both know that some coaches are
I'll talk to you, coach, pull you aside.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Some coaches are I'm gonna talk to you. And when
I say talk to you is an all casts Andrew
that's coming out in my mind. It's like sens of
the street. It's really.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
So it all depends on what kind of coach you have,
Like you could either talk to someone with a gentle
hand or you could use a jag camra. Well okay,
but this it's like like for me, like I'm gonna
if I'm partying corrective discussion the first, I'm gonna pull
you aside and talk to you first, and if you don't, then.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
I'm gonna pull you aside. And with them capital letters
talk to you like everybody gets a second chance, nobody
gets a third, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Like I start out with like the lowest level of
you know, the easiest, the most level of discourse there is,
and then it just gets ratching it up as my
frustration goes on.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
It's the problem doesn't get directed. I just don't in
the vicinity of what I would be.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Yes, So it goes back to just being able to
process information. And maybe because I played on defense, you know,
my entire career, and from a defense perspective, you always
had to have a short memory. You had to have
a memory like a GoFish, right, that type of thing.
So it all depends on especially cornerback. Yes, So it
(17:34):
all depends on how wattin Berberg handles the situation right,
and then knowing is though you're facing the Eagles, how
much of that is going to be in your head,
especially if you have a negative play.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Against one of the best defensive lines of football.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
So it's a slippery slope, That's what I'm saying. This
is where you have to be careful because it's a
slippery slope.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
There were positives to take out of it. Too, Denver.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Broncos got the run game going, kept those guys in
for series at a time.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
I want to get to that.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
We get back you guys. Listen to Broncos Country tonight
here on KOA are good friend Rod Mackie from from television.
I was up there in the press box that sat
down and at first I thought it was I thought
it was Romies, but it was not.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
It was Rod Macky carries a discman. He's got an old.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Yeah, and I'm like, wait, what's got You had the
refreshment c D in there or whatever, but this dude's
got a discman rolling and it's like an old school
It's like an actual this.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Isn't new, like an old walkman, like he's had this
thing since the night.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Just a sody walkman, sody disman. And this dude's rolling
around with the SODI. I'm like, bro, that things in
the Smithsonian right proudly. I'm like, think did they make
fun of you?
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Like look look at the.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Brothers, like you know how they used to bronze baby shoes.
It is that almost Like I was like, did you
spend up for the disc protection? Like does the skip
protection protection?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I was like, I have not seen one of these
in twenty years.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Wow at least, and back then we couldn't even imagine that.
Nowadays we don't even unity of that.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Like when when the iPod first came out. Yeah, you
remember when to CD playing and you're like, bro, I
got twelve, I got fifteen songs. Yeah, when the iPod
came out, man, I got the whole Internet.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
But the whole thing about carrying a Walkman CD player
is the fact that, yes, you have twelve songs, twelve
fifteen songs on that disc.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Well, you got to carry a duffel bag for the
you know what I'm talking about. I mean it beat
the it beat the cassette thing or whatever. You know
you remember that. Wait, see now you're talking about consent.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
You brought me back because my dad had an eight
track player when I was in high school and he
still had that little case.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
They had the big they looked like video game cattridges.
Get cassette. I remembers you'd be listening to radio, you'd
be trying to record your song and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
You like, you can't try from but you have to
put paper in the get the get the things like that,
and you try to write it on that little tiny
car to the thing and you're whipping it down the side.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
You know, honey, it's make a NIX ninety seven or whatever.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
I know, listen, I know I wasn't the only one
that would do what you're you're talking about, Like there
would always be a famous DJ, and it was like
maybe on a Friday, nine o'clock or whatever, they playing
the slow jams and you make that slow jam.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Tape and you took it to school and give it
to a girl. Oh yeah, okay, I know, I know,
I said, yes, the only one that's not agreeing with Steve.
You gave a mix tape to a girl. You give
a NX tape to a dude. I've never given anybody.
(20:55):
Oh my god. I was like, you got a boy? Yes, yes,
I did. It look like, oh yeah, you got We
just talked about we talked about track. A minutego, it's
time to see if I still got two hundred.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
But yes, Steve, I did record a mixtape back then,
like yeah, yes, oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Girls loved that you started off with something good, but
then you had to take it up a notch a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
But then you didn't want to burn it all out
on three sots. You had to cool it off a
little bit and then you had to bring it back.
It was a whole the mixtape. Yes, you hat a
little forcing ds on that thing. Tend to love. Come on, man,
I was practicing football, oh Steve.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Those those sit there and trying to be mantra. Brad,
you made a mixtape. You might not have given it,
but you made one of a purple ra. Yes, what
about some grant if you ever made a mixtape mixtape?
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I had the mixtape mixtapes given to me made for us?
Why say save for me?
Speaker 5 (21:59):
Was rolling like that, and we didn't have cassettes in
my day and age right because we were burning CDs
for sure.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Cast like the record players.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Now I've got a record, let's finny eying it comes
back around Now I got a record play because everything
sounds better on vinyl. But anyway, yeah, the text like
bass boost, remember you had to switch for the bass boost?
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Yes, yes, fis country tonight yep.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Well to talk about these running backs though, man, like, uh,
we we got the production that we wanted. We started
to see Sean Payton bend a little bit on some
things that probably needed to have been to a little
bit earlier, and that's let those backs get in a
road getting a rhythm, you know, by not rotating them
out of a play, leaving them in for a few
plays in a row, letting them find the rhythm, find
the feed man. I said this to Rod and Nate
when they were here earlier. If we had a running
(22:52):
back that's had the patience and the vision like j K. Dobbins,
how is how long has it been? It's been a while,
you know what it would go back to? I believe
two thousand and what was it.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
I can't remember the exact date, but the last back
that we had that had that level of production that JK.
Dobbins showed and that level of patience was a guy
that Sean.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Payton's quite familiar with, with Tavis Murray. I think maybe
back in twenty twenty three. Yeah, but I'm talking about
like said, like this was this was the other way.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Like you watching this and I'm like, man, it's so
beautiful the ways block set up and then the visioned
to find a backside. He's a patient too.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
You think he's like he's going he is going kind
of slow because he's trying to decide you know where's
it going to open up at.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
That's what I call leve Bell roll Leveon Bell never
never ran full speed. That guy was running quarter speed.
Just let the blocks set up, just going through, going through,
and then once he got clear.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Pot man, that that explosion once he once he hits it.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Boy, Dobbins made the offensive line and to the offensive
line credit, they did a good job of blocking. But
what we where we're describing, what we're talking about is
his patients and he set up a lot of those blocks.
And for me as a player, he reminded me of
a guy who played the ends, Ladania Thomason. He's got
(24:06):
the jump cut and being able to stop Paul. As
we set your feet and go again.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
Dobbins is the lone back, tight trips left. Mims comes
in motion, they pitch it to Dobbins left side. Dobbins
has the edge. Here we go fifteen. Dobbins pushed out
of bounds as he got to the fifteen with a
big run. That's Jordan Battle. He's got to be close
to one hundred right there. That's a gain of sixteen
and he's over one hundred yards.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
That breaks a.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
Streak of thirty seven straight games, the longest active streak
in the NFL and one that you don't really want
of the Broncos without one hundred yard rusher in a
single game.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
And he did it on sixteen carries and it wasn't
like he did it on sixteen carries and had like
one explosive you know where you get like a seventy
two yard carry in the game.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
His the longest run of the night with sixteen yards. Yeah,
he's pounding. He was pounding the rock and fined in.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Five six yards, five six yards, four yards, five six yards.
That's what we need with this offense needs to be successful,
and it's going to set everything else up. Going four,
Boken be at his best, building off play action. It
sets everything up. And I'm just like, okay, if we
can just take this and we could continue this, because
we've all seen Sean Payton hit on something and then
(25:15):
be like, all right, I'll get to that in twenty games.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Right, one of these weeks, I don't know if it
was last week or the week before, I believe we
had mentioned that when you're playing a game like who
wants to be taken out like after two or three plays?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Right, we said something about that, Yeah, because it breaks
your rhythm.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Could you imagine being a safety right and you make
a couple of tacos, you got four four plays and
then take you out.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Bro, I'm telling you I be coach. Just keep me
out man. Well this robins like if they try to
pull me off and be like what for? What? What?
No hell? You gotta get in the groove. Man, I'm glad,
I'm glad that this has happened. Ye.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Here's the other thing that loved about what we saw
on Monday night. Not just the fact that we saw
a lot of both Dobbins and Harvey been utilized by
Sean Payton, you know, for whatever reason changing his philosophy
and committing to the run.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
It opened up the boot game. Yeah, we still threw
almost fifty times.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
By the way, that game at least dropped back with
some of those were opponents runs, but we still you know,
we still almost dropped back almost fifty times in that game.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Because if you don't establish the run. We still had
this a thousand times. The defense isn't going to expect run,
so lady's gonna drop back. They'll pin their ears back
on the front. They drop back.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
The other part of that is we gotta trafficing a second.
But the other part of that to me is you
got to have the confidence that you can do that,
because when you get late in the season and when
you get to the playoffs, you've got to have that
that you've got to be able to get those tough yards.
You gotta have the confidence that you're able to do that.
I think a game like that will help out with that.
We'll get to more of that when we come back.
Five six, six, nine zeros of text Slade. You guys
got any questions? Want to get to that seven toero
(26:56):
base boost. Yeah, there's a song called Mixtape by rock
reggae band called Bally who check him out. You'll get
a good laugh. And then he says run game last
night on point that's Dyan monument. So do we have
faith that Sean Payton will stick with that run game?
Speaker 2 (27:11):
That is the question.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Yeah, I'm not sure, and I'm honestly saying that because
we haven't seen it consistently over the past couple of years. Now,
based on the level of production that took place on
Monday Night, the idea is definitely you want to see
it because it opened up the offense once again for
both knicks to execute, and we just we talked about
(27:35):
both of the running backs, how great they were. And
I have to give shouts out to r. J. Harvey
because there was a little criticism of him where there
were both fans and those in the media not thinking
that he was the back of choice, meaning as though, well,
we saw a lot of JK. Dobbins and he had
(27:55):
very minimum time. But he called a pass from bow
and it was on the Bengals sideline and he kind
of threw it out front so he can reach out
and catch it. And for me, for those individuals who
didn't think the dude had hands, he put it on display.
And for me going into the game when Jojo and
(28:16):
I were doing a pregame show, I was saying, utilize
both of these backs like an album Kamara, get him
out on the perimeter and put the ball in their hands,
because we saw him break tackles, shot.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
And snap Nicks in the pocket, swings one out and
they checked down with a nice catch on the sideline.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
It's r. J. Harvey, I'll tell you what. The rookie's showing.
Fantastic hands there.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
That ball came on a laser and was belt high
and Harvey just as easy as you please, reached out,
snatched it and then picks up nineteen yards first down Denver.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, it's I mean, he caught balls back in college
like he was. You know, he just went very nanny
like he had hands. Whatever they threw the bude, he
didn't do. It'scus mals on offense, right. You're not throwing
the ball to the back unless it's on the wheels,
So it's not you know, it's just it doesn't happen
that often.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
But you know he had answer.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
And there's only so many touches too. I mean there
was only one ball, and you know you're trying to
get the wide receiver, the receptions, you're trying to get
tight in some receptions, trying to you know, trying to
get the running.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Back you know runs. It's just it's not enough.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
But to me, it's not just about carries, because most
people say, well, feed the runner back, give them carries.
Like for me, no, it's touches, right, It's almost like
mentally playing fantasy football in your head, give him touches
and looking at how both guys were used, but R. G.
Harvey specifically giving him some of those same plays that
(29:40):
we've seen last year and earlyer this season with Marvin
Memmes where he's now swinging out and for some reason
I don't know what was going on with the Bengals defense.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
It's almost like they couldn't count.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Like you see a guy swing quarterback turn and it's
like it takes you guys like Ale to get to him.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
In the case of Marvin Mems, whether it was Memes
or whether it was R. J.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Harvey on the swing route, your eyes automatically go to
that guy.
Speaker 7 (30:08):
They should bring a defender, but it was like they
would just you know how sometimes sometimes you guys think
they're faster than they are and they don't get wide
enough and now oh yeah, yeah it was the Bengals
have got.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Work to do on that defense.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
They I hesitate to bash somebody after they lose, but
there's a no, no, no, no, no, no, don't hesitate.
There's a lack of talenthash get if there was ever
a time, Ben, could you even take the hammer and
go to.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Work, Yeah, go to I don't think I would need
a hammer on that defense. I feel bad they were uh,
you know, I could use a little paint stir and
just been like and that would have been you know,
they were that defense is bad. That all the offense.
I mean, they got some players, but the offensive line
is bad. The defense is.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Bad, and the fact that their quarterback has gone makes it.
I mean, I feel bad for Grant who's a Bengals fan,
because that that team is.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Devoid of talent. You hadn't heard anything from man. Hey,
I wore my Broncos geared to the game. I was
Joe Burrow Bronco. They needed you the most.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
My parents were in their Burrough jerseys and I was like,
I'm wearing my Broncos. Yeah, yeah, I know this game
is gonna through.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
The skylight away. That's a great that's agreed, that's a
green chitty. Yes.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Instead, he knew what was up in that game. I mean, look,
I think it was good. I think I thought they
threw it a little too much. I mean, what was
it forty almost fifty drop backs when you know, I
mean bo had some rushing out of drop backs, but
almost almost fifty times on the one hand, and I'm like,
that's too much throwing the ball against a bad team.
On the other, I'm like, you know what that offense
need to get into a rhythm. Why not tune it
up in a game like that where you got opportunity.
(31:46):
So I'm not too mad at it in that case. Uh,
especially since they got the run game going. Yeah, I
don't love seeing uh you know he and Courtland Sudden
connect they had five connections away.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Oh boy, he got hit too. Yeah, trying to talk,
you trying to talk like, oh my god, I can't breathe.
He took somebody to help me. Yeah, yeah, said you
can't cover me. I love that route too, because the
(32:17):
Bengos defenders once again look confused. Anytime you have three
receivers to one side, you.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Always have four over three, meaning as though you have
one more defender than they have. And the Broncos in
that case, they ran all go special and and here's
the thing that that was baffling for me watching the game.
It's like, where's the awareness of the Cincinnati Bingos defense.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Courtland Sudden normally lines up outside. He's in the slot.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Some happening, something happening something, man, we gotta hit a break.
We'll figure out what that is. Broncos country that back over.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
This shotgun snapped bow to the end zone. Ball is talking.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
That is a great catch by s Portland Sutton Denver
touchdown twenty yards strike. Sutton got dumped in the end
zone but bo nicks a laser shot.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Sutton went up cradled and it came down on the
small of his back.
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