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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I want to thank Steve Atwater the Hall of Famer
(00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Oh my goodness. I had a good weekend. This weekend,
Rick Lewis was doing a show up there at Evergreen.
I went up there benefit for the Evergreen Community. Yes,
and the Broncos were kind enough to send over an
autographed Zach Allen jersey for us to auction off or whatever.
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And uh so I'm up there and I'm doing the
you know, a little model and trying to show everything.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Tell me you didn't try to put it on. Oh god, no, okay,
because I know that jersey would have swallowed you.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Hole.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, we didn't have a guy.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
It was some intense bidding on it, and we wound
up just on that item, getting four thousand dollars for
the Evergreen community just off that item, plus you know,
all the money from the door from the Rick show
and the other items that were giving away and all
that stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
That's awesome. Yeah, its a great community event.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
So just just wanted to shout that out and shout
out to my guy, HERK Driver who sat next to
while I was up there. He was he's a Fumer
Air Force guy and he was out there at the show.
Didn't know he didn't even know I was gonna be there.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Sat down the next and he was like, wait your
Benjamin old Brod. I'll listen to you.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
And Niked and Grant it's great and you know, that
chance to talk to him, and it was.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
It was cool.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Just this was just a cool community moment. So I
want to shout that out for a minute. And then
top that off with the Broncos dub on Monday night. Man,
that was, uh was a good weekend.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I don't know about you, man.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
When I left the stadium, it was a good feeling
and good vibe. And I know, of course it was
against listening to being was a team that was somewhat struggling,
but just to see the fans walk out of the stadium,
you know, for me it was like, Okay, it's gonna
make that Tuesday morning so much better to know that
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the team is now two and two opposed to.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Being one and three.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
I was having that exact same conversation with Oh god,
who was it Steve and I. So anyway, we're having
a conversation up there in the press box, and I said, man,
there's only one game difference between one and three and
two and two, but it's also like a world of difference,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
It's like one game, but it's still like so different.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
It looks different and it sounds different because at that point,
at one in three year below five hundred.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
At two and two, you are at five hundred, and
now you.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Can say, okay, well everything is looking up and you're
still in the mix.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
The Charges loss of Kansas.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
City, you know, they beat Baltimore, but now it just
kind of rounds things off. Now gives a bulk of
confidence to the team as they're going to Phase two
opponents away from their home field of in power field.
And you said, whatever you want to say about the Jets,
that the Jets are not a pushover team.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Playing tough football.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I don't really I don't really care for the quarterback,
but they're playing tough football.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I know how much you don't.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Side, all right, but to your point though, like an
easy win at home, you know, like you felt comfortable
that entire second half that Roccos we're going to bring
home to win once.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
They got that first touchdown in and it was seven three.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
So he was the biggest thing after the past two
weeks where you lose on last minute field goals, no doubt, yes,
And there was no moment in that game where you
felt like, ooh, well it could come down to the
last second field goal.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
And I know there were a couple of people that I.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Was sitting around when Cincinnati moved the ball down and
they got three points, and some of those individuals were
a little frustrated, But I'm.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Like, these are the things that happened.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
When you when you first start off the game offensively defensively,
you're not really grooved in right away. It takes a
little minute to kind of settle yourself down. And after
the Broncos defense settled down, I mean they pretty much
made you little work of the Cincinnati Bengals offense.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah, it was I mean the opening script. Once the
Bengals got off script, they really couldn't do anything on offense,
and the defense wuldn't stop at anything we were particularly doing. Honestly,
the penalties slowed the game down. It could have been
worse than it was. The penalties on both sides slowed
that game down a little bit.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
You know. That's where the Broncos definitely have to get
better because eleven penalties for sixty five yards and some
of those were like drive killers against a team that
you're going to face on Sunday, you don't want to
give that team any extra boost because the Philadelphia Eagles
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and just kind of get into it just a little bit.
Where do you get into a more in depth throughout
the week. But this is a team that has been winning,
finding ways like a Kansas City did last year to
win games, right, So the Broncos have to be better
as far as with these penalties.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
You can't go into that game and have a lot.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Of penalties and think that you're going to get out
of Philadelphia with a win.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
No way.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Yeah, Philadelphia played smart football. They're not the same team
they were last year. As much as I had bones
to pick with Kellen Moore than what he did last year,
Ken Battulo's come in and somehow found a way to
take that offense and put a boat anchor on it.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
They can't find a J.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Brown anywhere unless they're manufacturings, you know, slants for him.
The receivers in and of themselves are largely absent out
of the offense. That offense is just kind of ground
to a halt. Their defense is still phenomenal. They're playing
a bit more bend, don't break, giving up a little
bit more yardage that I think they want to be
given up. But you know, they're a tough football team.
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They got a great offensive line. Saquon Bartley can run
a football and if they figure it out on offense,
which they have not so far this year, they're a
dangerous football team.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
And you're very, very true. But here's a great thing
about the the Broncos and the win. Obviously, yeah, of
course you get the dub victory Tuesday, if you want
to call it. That is what we saw a little
more of bad distribution, and it's something that I have
been pounding the table for, even though I'm not in
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a room, you know, over at the Broncos facility, but
for me, makes it really difficult for a defense to
hone in on exactly what you're.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Trying to do. When you started to move the ball
around and seeing call and sudden being.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Moved around utilized. And then there were a couple of targets.
Troy Franklin eight targets right, he caught four of them
and there was a couple that if he catches those,
because I think it was about two or four that
were dropping.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yess.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
One other thing, there weren't too many gripes out of
this game, but that is one thing I wanted to hit,
like Toroy Franklin's back to dropping the football. Is this
a one off here in this game? Or is Troy
Franklin back to dropping the football?
Speaker 4 (06:39):
You know what?
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Man, I would like to say it's a one off
until we get to the Philly game and we're seeing
it more consistently. I look at it as a one
off because the difference in pulling the ball in and
not pulling the ball in sometimes it's tracking. Are you
are you losing focus and concentration looking the ball into
your hands? Because let me let me, let me let
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me ask both you're in grant this. If I were
to ask you, how do you catch the football? What
would be your answer? With my hands?
Speaker 5 (07:10):
That's exactly what I was not. Seriously, you see, so
many guys try and cradle them.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
You see.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
That's that's the typical answer, right that you say you
catch the football with your hands. No, you use your
hands to catch the football, to haul in.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
To catch, you take the ball out of the air,
But you catch the ball.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
The wide receiver coach told me this when I was
an Infro Europe. You catch it with your eyes. Because
if I ask both of you guys to close your
eyes right now, I'm gonna throw your football. Guess what
you guys are gonna be peeking out of one eye
because you don't want to get hit in the face.
So that's why I look at it. You have to
look the ball in and track it.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
But that's a Dave Logan made that same point on
KOA Sports in the first segment. He said it looked
like he never even saw the ball because he just
never even reacted to it when it hit his hand.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Do we think the additional lighting you saw that they
put up those additional lights from the light now, I'm
just asking, do you think that that had anything to
do with it?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Maybe a little more light to us, all right, No, if.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
That is a problem for any of the Broncos receivers,
you got to use that prop old clop Off in
your house with the.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Advisor on it.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Damn we didn't really see anyone else drop it besides him.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Right there, you go going.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
To bring up every every explanation because they did install
those fifteen thousand extra lights.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
So well, here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
If something continues to happen, you start to think that
does a guy have a vision problem?
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Right?
Speaker 3 (08:37):
The next thing you go and you go and check
their eyes, make sure the vision is what it needs
to be. Because some guys can be nearsighted and far sighted.
That could be a problem. I'm not saying that that's
the issue with Troit Franklin, but once again, there is
somewhat of a concern.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
So is he looking the ball? Is he tracking the ball?
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Or sometimes look I know this because up play a
little receiver and in high school, but sometimes when defenders
get close to you, you might take your eyes off
of the ball right a way to find that that
defender and then now trying to relocate and find the ball.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
That that could be an issue. Yeah, and that's that's
one of those things. I just I wrote that down
in my notes.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I'm like, all right, is this Troy back to dropping
the football after having a great game against the Colts
and and kind of picking things up. Or is this
just a one off, you know game with him where
he's a little off his game and well, we'll figure
that out, I mean, over log hole figure that out.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
I don't think I think Broncos fans are happy with
the win. I think we're happy or at five hundred,
I don't get a giant sense of optimism from the
fan base about this Eagles game.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Well, and on all.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Fairness, I can understand why because you look at Philadelphia,
they are the reigning Super Bowl champs. They are very skilled,
even though with AJ Brown another frustrated wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Very talented, very devine se Smith.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Another talented wide receiver as well, you had Dallas Dallas Godter,
and you got Saquon Barkley. So it's almost like, you know,
pick your poison. And that's exactly how the Broncos is
gonna have to look at it. And if this new
offensive coordinator for the Philadelphia Eagles, if he figures out
any way to attack the Broncos defense, then that would
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open up things and the run game for Saquon Barkley
and you definitely definitely don't want to see that monster.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
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Speaker 1 (10:27):
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Speaker 1 (10:38):
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We got lots of giveaways there, so you guys come
on down for that anything else as we want to
put a bow on this. This Cincinnati game. We beat
up on two of the worst teams in the AFC,
the Titans of the Bengals. But it's handled business against
teams you should. I'm not trying to wet blanket that
too much.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
You beat the team. What do you mean you and
not trying to wait wet blanketed too much?
Speaker 1 (11:01):
I mean or not, it's damp. They're bad football teams
like they're bad. So I'm not sitting here trying. I
don't know if there's a whole lot that I can
take out of it from that perspective. That said, you
did come out and handle business, and there was some
exciting what looked like to me growth from Sean Payton
and letting those running backs stay in and get in
a rhythm for several plays in a.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Row, and it paid dividends in that game. Here's what I.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Think about this particular game, knowing as though no Burrow
and we know that both the Bengals were struggling on
both sides of the ball.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I looked at this particular.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Game as somewhat of a precursor to the game against
the Eagles. Let's work on a couple of things. If
things go according to plan and we get out to
the early league, we're going to start working on a
couple of things I want to work on. Have bridge
plays next week. And because you treat it, I hate
to say this, but you treat it like preseason, because
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you run plays to set up of the plays. Right,
we saw a lot of those swing rins out to
some to Dobbins, but more to.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
It was RJ. Harvey or maybe Marvin Maams.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Now I've always hope we haven't really seen that, and
and great abundance, but maybe now you get the swing
route right now, you fake that you go to blot
and you go vertical down the field, or you swing
it out to maybe JK. Dobbins or RJ. Harvey, who oh,
by the way, was once a quarterback. Maybe throw it
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on the swing route he throws it downfield. Yeah, I've
kind of been waiting for the RJ. Harvey double pass.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yes, you know kind of thing above. Kind of been
waiting to see if they pull that one out. At
some point. You got mim streaking down.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
A field, you have Harvey on the swing and he
just you know, he's running and just pops up and
puts it up for him.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
What better game to pull the play out like that
other than a game like this, because we know Jordan
Davis and that big fanasy of defense. Those dudes coming downhill,
they're looking to hunt something up, so you use their
aggression against him.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
I would and I would love to see it.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
We know, we know Vix had this game circle, we
know how he feels about the number.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yeah. Yeah, Rick Lewis is not invited, but you know
he's got.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
But he's got, you know, he's he definitely has for him.
Wants to put it to the Broncos and the Broncos organization.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
He felt like he deserves another year here and didn't
get it.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
You know, I this Eagles team's coming back off you know,
they're off a super Bowl. They're four the finding ways
to win right now, and that's you know it. To me,
it's interesting because it's a dangerous football. They're their offense
isn't particularly good, their defense has not been as good
as it was last year.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
But there's the fighting ways to dig out football games.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
And that's that's the confidence that comes from having been
to the top of the mountain before, knowing how you
can get back there and still, you know, in finding
ways even when you're shorthanded or when something's off, fighting
ways to dig out a football game.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
But to me, like when we look at teams and
we kind of.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Or these teams as, oh, they're going to the super Bowl, right,
we look at the rosters, additions, the coaching staff.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
But for me, it's showing that you could win games
like this, right, and.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
This is this would be an excellent test for the Broncos,
the living stats to see exactly where they are from
a coaching standpoint, play, college standpoint and execution standpoint.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Right.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
It's one of these things that you just not you
don't just want to keep the game close, right, you
want to make sure that you win against a team
like this. And like you said, when you look at
the Eagles so far this season, they don't look like
that super Bowl team that just totally dismantled Kansas City.
They're finding ways to keep the game close, run the ball,
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make enough plays. Their quarterback doesn't have to throw for
gaudy numbers. And that's the beauty for them and their
fan base. We can still beat you, and our quarterback
can be nineteen to twenty five already can.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
And I love the fact that Sean Payton came out
and uh was for the toush push on the week
of the game against the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
He said, no, they don't need a band of play.
It's just a quarterback sneak that no one is that. Well,
I think he just put the onus on himself.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
You know, if you're if you're gonna be the guy
who comes out and says, you know, hey, it's just
a QB sneak, then you've got to have a You've
got to have something to stop that. Whereas see see it's.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
A loaded question because what I saw this week, I
saw Philadelphia lining up in the touch push and then
they now introduce something and I've been waiting for that
too for a while.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
I'm like, bro, everybody's been trying to bite this thing
for a while. When are they gonna put a jump
pass in here or something else?
Speaker 5 (15:38):
That was an awesome play design a little shovel to
the tight end.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Goddard. Yeah, something about a grant.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
If you are a linebacker and you see, you know,
everyone huddled up inside and no receivers outside, and you're thinking, okay,
well they're gonna run the toush bush and I.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Got to jump over the pile and stop it.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
And next thing you know, they're pitching the ball right
the pitching pitching the ball outside and everyone is kind
of clamped down inside.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yeah, we come back.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
We're gonna have Parker Gambril from the Denver Post get
a chance to catch up with him on this game.
Put a ball on it, look forward to Philadelphia. You guys,
listen to Broncos country like right around Kawa right out
to the Kiwa Compspel hotline though, and bring on our
good buddy from the Denver Post, Parker.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Gabriel at Parker J.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Gabriel on Twitter, Parker, we're celebrating the Monday night football.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Dub here man.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Yeah, that's right, Yeah, it's all And it's already Tuesday night.
It's crazy. We're gonna be in Philadelphia and like, I
don't know a little more than seventy two hours or
something like that.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
That's that's not enough celebration time.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
As we may we may have poor feelings after that
Philadelphia game, So let's stick with the resonating in the
glow of the halo of victory right now.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
It's a little bit growth out of this team.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I know it was the Bengals, and I know we
you know, we beat up on a bad football team.
A little bit of growth out of this coaching staff.
You left running backs in for multiple plays in a row,
almost giving them series, and we saw how effective that was,
got the ball distributed and got a couple of these
receivers going. Look like we finally got an ingram kind
of going a little bit, even if it wasn't highly
highly productive.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
What was your biggest takeaway from this game?
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Yeah, that the defense dominated. Honestly, the No I kidding,
I mean, I think it was just it was a
good night on both sides of the ball. For sure, Offensively,
I think, I mean that's sort of what I wrote
after the game. I think because of the opponent and
just how dire straights Cincinnati's and especially defensively, I'm not
quite ready to say, oh, all the ills your cured.
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They've got an identity. Okay, you know, away we go.
But I do think you sort of saw the seeds
of what they could be offensively, and I think what
a lot of the players want to be offensively, And obviously,
like Sean Payton's had plenty of teams in New Orleans
that were good running the football or that at least
ended up with good numbers running the football, and so yeah,
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the main question is are you know or are you
going to call plays like that against Philadelphia and against
Kansas City and and and some of the Obviously you
have to be efficient to be able to keep riding
the ball and all that. So I think you saw
sort of the kernels of what they can be offensively,
and certainly what a lot of the players would tell
you they want to be offensively. The defensively, just you know,
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Patzertan doing what he does against Jamar Chase and the
defense after giving up you know, the field goal drive.
The start just absolutely snuffed him for the rest of
the game.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Well, Parkin, this is probably gonna be the last time
we talked to you before the.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Game on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
And I mean, when when you look at this matchup
ahead of time, does it look like the Broncos have
an opportunity or Bettie, let me rephrase that. If the
Broncos were or are to go into Philadelphia instill road win,
what is it in your mind that they may have
to do consistently in order for that to happen.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Yeah, I think the biggest thing, the single biggest thing.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
You know.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
You can always talk about turnovers, you can always talk
about special teams, I talk about penalties or whatever. But
this is a game where the Broncos believe that they
are among the best in the NFL on the offensive
line and defensive line, and Philadelphia same way, probably with
a little bit more track record, just obviously defending world
champions and you know, twenty out of the last twenty
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one all of that. So if you win the battle
in the trenches against Philadelphia, you can win this game,
even on the road. The thing is, teams just haven't
consistently figured out a way to do that for a
whole game against against this team. So yeah, I mean,
you think you've got the best defensive front of football,
Let's see it against jess Allons group. You know, you
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think you have a big, rugged offensive line that can
impose its will on just about anybody. You know, Let's
see it in this game against this defensive front. And
if you can, if you can get out of other
problems too. Obviously, Quinnant Mitchell and Cooper de john and
all those guys are really good in the secondary too. Obviously,
they've got playmakers at all three levels on defense. But
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if you can control the line of scrimmage in this game,
you can be there at the end of the game.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Todd Parker Gabriel at Parker J. Gabriel on Twitter.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
As we look back again at this the Cincinnati game,
few odd things stood out. Broncos still piling up the penalties.
That's that's a problem. You know, a couple of a
couple of glaring spots here the center position, which has
kind of had an eyebrow raised all year.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Troy Franklin back to the drops. Is this a one off?
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Or is this is this just Troy Troy having a
bad game, or is Troy back to being you know,
drop the ball Troy.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Yeah, I mean I think it's a little more than
one game. We've seen it in a couple other spots
so far this season. Although he's also you know, I
think obviously he'd say he's taken a big jump too,
so certainly something he's capable of putting behind him. But
I think it's something to minitor, it's not. I don't
think it's just as simple as though he dropped one
or two. It's it's it's not quite oh he's got
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a case of the drops again. But I don't think
it's quite just a one off. And then yeah, I'm
the offensive one. And like obviously the bad night for
Luke Wattenberg side penalties overall, three of them, except that
he was downfield twice and some of that you know
downfield sometimes that you know, the ball got out on
a screen a little bit late, and it's all timing
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based and whatever like that's not necessarily always going to
be on the guy that's downfield, or at least exclusively
on the guy's downfield, So like anything, there's nuance to it.
But yeah, listen, like, Yeah, that's something to pay attention to,
especially when you're you're going into a short week of preparation.
I mean, Philadelphia's defensive tackles look and play a little
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bit differently than Cincinnati's.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
No Park, I got to ask you this question because
I have individuals who I talk to who you know,
beat writers and work in national media around the country,
and you know, we had a conversation. I will I
tell you with who, But here's something I came up
in conversation. I definitely would love to get both your
your standpoint of bands as well.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Watch the game last night? What was their feelings? Though?
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Maybe did Bow bail out Sean Payton last night by
being able to use his athleticism?
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Did he bail him out? Well?
Speaker 4 (22:11):
I I mean I think, I mean Sean said he
bailed him out in the in the way they handled
the last thirteen seconds of the half. In general, I thought,
I don't know if it's a bailout or not, but
I think yeah. I thought bo Nicks used his legs
more effectively last night than than he has maybe so
far this season. He's had a couple of scrambles the
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last couple of weeks, but he when he is assertive,
you know, when he sort of like a point guard
in basketball, when he presses the line of scrimmage. Once
he starts moving up, makes defenses react to him, then
either takes off and runs or distributes the football. Like
generally speaking, good things happen. And so that's obviously a
strong part of Bonix's game. Now he's made some mistakes
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on the move this year too, but generally speaking, that's
a strong part of the game. And then to get
them into a play after that penalty with thirteen seconds
plus in the first half where they're throwing the ball
at the end zone. I mean, Champagne didn't exactly say this,
but what it sounded like to me was they had
a bad play call for the personnel and for the
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fact that they had thirteen seconds in no timeouts from
the twenty yard line. Bonix got them into a good play.
You know, you got Evan Ingram and four receivers basically
five receivers on the field, and so that was literally
I mean, Sean Payton said after the game, you know,
bo build me out in that one, So that'd be
one instance of it. And then you know, the legs
I think you know you got to use the legs
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if your bone mix at this.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Point, the flip side of that booting to the right
hand side to that ugly interception.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
You know, what is it with Baul?
Speaker 1 (23:46):
He's still having some moments like that where you're like,
what is it that you think you're seeing down there?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Why wouldn't you just take that in with your legs?
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Right? Yeah, exactly, And I mean the fact of the
matter is, obviously, you know you're looking at when he's
rolling to the right on that fourth and two down deep,
You're like, run, run it, run it, run it, run it.
Even in completion, you know, reagion for the goal line
and fumbling the ball out of bounds and short of
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the goal line, there are so many things where even
failure on fourth and two from the two are better
than throwing a pick in the end zone where the
ball comes out to the twenty at least pin and
beep right like at least dive for the goal line
and at the worst have them start at their own
half yard line with that offensive line and Jake Browning.
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So yeah, that was it. You know, I thought there
was just a few times on that drive. It might
have been three times on that particular drive where it
just was Zingerman the flat to the left and it's
late and he stepped out of a man probably should
have got both feet down anyways, but like the ball's
out late and he's pressed against the sideline where maybe
you could get it to them, you know, more around
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the numbers, same thing going right, just a beat. Lady
might walk into the instead of getting tackled the two.
So there's some of that stuff where it's just like,
you know, three hundred and twenty six yards and two touchdowns,
career high passing yards, all that like a lot of good,
some assertiveness in the scramble, But there's just still things
too where it's just every once in a while it
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doesn't happen quite as fast as you think. And then
there's these little pockets where you know, it's the same
thing a couple of times, or similar things a couple
of times.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
How good was it to see both Jonathan Cooper and
Nick Benito both have a meeting of the minds at
the quarterback and can they both successfully consistently do that
this upcoming week against the Eagles.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
Yeah, you have me a good test against Philadelphia. It was,
I mean, DJ we talked to DJ DJ Jones today
and he said it was like the Spider Man gifts.
They both got there and they were like pointing at
each other like, oh you're oh, you're here. So yeah, yeah.
The funny thing about that is, you know that play,
particularly where they both just they whipped each of the tackles.
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The funny thing about it is there's four guys on
Zach Allen in the middle. So that's you know, I've
heard a couple of people say, oh, what's Zach Allen,
what's he done this year? After the big deal and
all that. It's like, well, every once in a while
you get quadruple team, then you're probably not going real
far in that regard. So yeah, I mean, listen, Cooper
and Benito are bost playing at a really high level. Obviously,
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Benito's off to a monster start to the season. And
the next step on that is to not just I mean,
they had good pressure numbers against Justin Herbert, but obviously
Herbert made the play when accounted. The next step on
that is when the game's in the balance against good
teams on the road, aka, you know this week, can
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you get home and can you get Jalen Hurts on
the ground when the chips are down, because that's that's
a little bit of a different challenge obviously than getting
after Jake Browning on your home field with all the noise.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Interesting stretch of games coming up against mobile quarterbacks, hypermobile quarterbacks.
Jalen Hart's potentially justin field, assuming he's hung on to
the starting job that long as we as we.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Look at this, anything anything to that. Vance has done a.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Pretty good job against multiple quarterbacks over the years in
limiting their their success with their legs. But anything to
that having not really I mean, as some of the
guys they played at a little mobility to him, Herbert
and Jones and that kind of stuff, but these guys
are on the athletic level of guys like Hertzer Fields.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Yeah, no, I think you're right. I mean, a lot
of it depends on you know, last year for example,
that you know, Vance felt like he had to play
a lot of his own against Lamar Jackson just because
of the ability. And obviously Derrek Henry has something to
do with that too, And so you're talking about obviously
maybe not Jaleen Hurts, maybe not quite the pure runner,
but you're talking about him and Sakuon Markley. That's a
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pretty darn good combination in the backfield too. And so
you know, I think you're trying to just create enough
doubt and enough different looks and all of that where
you can still play the way you want to play,
i e. You know, a lot of man coverage and
rush with four as often as you can bring a
fifth one you need to if you can. If you
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can rush in a disciplined enough way in order to
do that, then you stand a chance. But when this team,
especially with sort of where they're at at linebacker and
all of that, when this team gets in some trouble defensively,
it's when they feel like they have to, you know,
play a lot his own and sit back a little
bit more on coverage. And so that's that's sort of
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the challenge. And they have they have smart front seven defenders,
they have pretty disciplined rushers and most of the time,
and so that's a big challenge for them is not
just create havoc in the pass rush, but do it
in a way where you can also sort of keep
Jalen Hurts from doing too much sandwich with his legs.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
You know, we've seen coach Payton go for it on
fourth and one and fourth and two and in some
cases is driven my co host next to me crazy.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
So that I mean, in this game.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Against this front four a big Fanjo has with the egos,
will Sean Payton be willing to kind of roll the
dice again and go for a lot of those fourth
and short plays, being as though he is a guy
who kind of said that he agreed with the Tisch push.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Yeah, well, you know it also drove Ben nuts that
they didn't go for it on fourth and one from
their own twenty nine against.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
The Chargers very much.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
So, so you've got that. I mean, I think you'll
see him play aggressive. That's that's generally. I say generally
because there's been examples of the opposite, like the end
of regulation in Cincinnati last year, But generally, in games
like this against good teams, he's been aggressive. He knows
they have to control the ball and the pace of
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the game in order to win against a team like
this on the road, and so I think generally speaking,
you'll see an aggressive posture and sort of an aggressive
uh decision set on that. But also this is the
defense where it's tough to just line up and get
two yards up the middle, and so you get stuck
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in this You know, you can almost feel this with
with Sean Payton in this offense. Sometimes in fourth and short,
it's like you're you're you feel like you're stuck. It's
either it's either Adam Prentice up the middle or it's
that sort of your fake to dive and you pitch
it out and then you know you're getting strung out
outside and so that's where the play action. That's why
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you know, obviously they hit the one to Sutton last
week against the Chargers. There's there's if you I think
he'll have a couple of things in the bag for
fourth down and I think at some point during the
game and they see him try to use it.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Tygo Parker Gabriel at Parker J. Gabriel on Twitter. Yeah,
that is sort of the thing with Sean Payton.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
He gets this reputation as being aggressive and the reality
is to the first three quarters of a lot of
games he is aggressive, but typically in the fourth quarter,
for whatever reason, he tends to sort of turtle. We
saw that. You talked about that just a minute ago.
With last year with the you know, the Bengals seeing
with the Chargers. We saw it with the Chargers this year.
We've seen it several times. I wonder what that is
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a byproduct of a coach being aggressive through the first
three quarters of the game and you get down to
endgame situations and you start to turtle.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Yeah, well, I mean heartbreak will do funny things to you.
That's part of it. I think when you've seen, you know,
a number of close ones go your way and odd ways.
Certainly death factored in the field goal decision earlier in
the season when he was talking about, you know, fifty
four yards going forward on fourth and eight in the opener,
That's what it was, you know, where it was like,
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I've just seen it go bad. There's definitely that you
definitely had some of that. That's not even all bad necessarily.
I just you feel some of that the history of
all the times that things have gone against you rather
than all the time certain things have worked out. And
then also some of it is just I don't know
that he's ever He's not certainly in his time here,
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gotten to a point seemingly where he's got full trust
in the run game against good teams. So we've seen it,
we saught against New Orleans last year. Obviously, we saw
it last night against Cincinnati. When you can, when you
feel like you can line up and get three yards
against anybody, those short yard situations become easier, not only
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because that option is on the table, but because sort
of then everything's on the table rather than a team
assuming that you're going to be throwing it on fourth
and two. So there's some of that cat and mouse game,
I think, But certainly if there's a time to, you know,
to have the sort of conviction that you're you're going
for it in a lot of those scenarios, as long
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as it's sort of within the margin of what's you know,
quote unquote smart, then I would think this would be
a game for it.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Let's hope that they're getting out of Philadelphia with the wa.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Here and headed to London. On the positive side of
five hundred. Appreciate you taking some time.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Been like, yeah, you bet you got that.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Guys, absolutely take care of Parker gabriel let Parker. Jake
Gaveil on Twitter for never post react to that. When
we come back
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Oh my goodness. I had a good weekend. This weekend,
Rick Lewis was doing a show up there at Evergreen.
I went up there benefit for the Evergreen Community. Yes,
and the Broncos were kind enough to send over an
autographed Zach Allen jersey for us to auction off or whatever.
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And uh so I'm up there and I'm doing the
you know, a little model and trying to show everything.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Tell me you didn't try to put it on. Oh god, no, okay,
because I know that jersey would have swallowed you.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Hole.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, we didn't have a guy.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
It was some intense bidding on it, and we wound
up just on that item, getting four thousand dollars for
the Evergreen community just off that item, plus you know,
all the money from the door from the Rick show
and the other items that were giving away and all
that stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
That's awesome. Yeah, its a great community event.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
So just just wanted to shout that out and shout
out to my guy, HERK Driver who sat next to
while I was up there. He was he's a Fumer
Air Force guy and he was out there at the show.
Didn't know he didn't even know I was gonna be there.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Sat down the next and he was like, wait your
Benjamin old Brod. I'll listen to you.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
And Niked and Grant it's great and you know, that
chance to talk to him, and it was.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
It was cool.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Just this was just a cool community moment. So I
want to shout that out for a minute. And then
top that off with the Broncos dub on Monday night. Man,
that was, uh was a good weekend.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I don't know about you, man.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
When I left the stadium, it was a good feeling
and good vibe. And I know, of course it was
against listening to being was a team that was somewhat struggling,
but just to see the fans walk out of the stadium,
you know, for me it was like, Okay, it's gonna
make that Tuesday morning so much better to know that
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the team is now two and two opposed to.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Being one and three.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
I was having that exact same conversation with Oh god,
who was it Steve and I. So anyway, we're having
a conversation up there in the press box, and I said, man,
there's only one game difference between one and three and
two and two, but it's also like a world of difference,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
It's like one game, but it's still like so different.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
It looks different and it sounds different because at that point,
at one in three year below five hundred.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
At two and two, you are at five hundred, and
now you.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Can say, okay, well everything is looking up and you're
still in the mix.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
The Charges loss of Kansas.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
City, you know, they beat Baltimore, but now it just
kind of rounds things off. Now gives a bulk of
confidence to the team as they're going to Phase two
opponents away from their home field of in power field.
And you said, whatever you want to say about the Jets,
that the Jets are not a pushover team.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Playing tough football.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I don't really I don't really care for the quarterback,
but they're playing tough football.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I know how much you don't.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Side, all right, but to your point though, like an
easy win at home, you know, like you felt comfortable
that entire second half that Roccos we're going to bring
home to win once.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
They got that first touchdown in and it was seven three.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
So he was the biggest thing after the past two
weeks where you lose on last minute field goals, no doubt, yes,
And there was no moment in that game where you
felt like, ooh, well it could come down to the
last second field goal.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
And I know there were a couple of people that I.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Was sitting around when Cincinnati moved the ball down and
they got three points, and some of those individuals were
a little frustrated, But I'm.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Like, these are the things that happened.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
When you when you first start off the game offensively defensively,
you're not really grooved in right away. It takes a
little minute to kind of settle yourself down. And after
the Broncos defense settled down, I mean they pretty much
made you little work of the Cincinnati Bengals offense.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah, it was I mean the opening script. Once the
Bengals got off script, they really couldn't do anything on offense,
and the defense wuldn't stop at anything we were particularly doing. Honestly,
the penalties slowed the game down. It could have been
worse than it was. The penalties on both sides slowed
that game down a little bit.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
You know. That's where the Broncos definitely have to get
better because eleven penalties for sixty five yards and some
of those were like drive killers against a team that
you're going to face on Sunday, you don't want to
give that team any extra boost because the Philadelphia Eagles
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and just kind of get into it just a little bit.
Where do you get into a more in depth throughout
the week. But this is a team that has been winning,
finding ways like a Kansas City did last year to
win games, right, So the Broncos have to be better
as far as with these penalties.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
You can't go into that game and have a lot.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Of penalties and think that you're going to get out
of Philadelphia with a win.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
No way.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Yeah, Philadelphia played smart football. They're not the same team
they were last year. As much as I had bones
to pick with Kellen Moore than what he did last year,
Ken Battulo's come in and somehow found a way to
take that offense and put a boat anchor on it.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
They can't find a J.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Brown anywhere unless they're manufacturings, you know, slants for him.
The receivers in and of themselves are largely absent out
of the offense. That offense is just kind of ground
to a halt. Their defense is still phenomenal. They're playing
a bit more bend, don't break, giving up a little
bit more yardage that I think they want to be
given up. But you know, they're a tough football team.
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They got a great offensive line. Saquon Bartley can run
a football and if they figure it out on offense,
which they have not so far this year, they're a
dangerous football team.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
And you're very, very true. But here's a great thing
about the the Broncos and the win. Obviously, yeah, of
course you get the dub victory Tuesday, if you want
to call it. That is what we saw a little
more of bad distribution, and it's something that I have
been pounding the table for, even though I'm not in
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a room, you know, over at the Broncos facility, but
for me, makes it really difficult for a defense to
hone in on exactly what you're.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Trying to do. When you started to move the ball
around and seeing call and sudden being.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Moved around utilized. And then there were a couple of targets.
Troy Franklin eight targets right, he caught four of them
and there was a couple that if he catches those,
because I think it was about two or four that
were dropping.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yess.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
One other thing, there weren't too many gripes out of
this game, but that is one thing I wanted to hit,
like Toroy Franklin's back to dropping the football. Is this
a one off here in this game? Or is Troy
Franklin back to dropping the football?
Speaker 4 (06:39):
You know what?
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Man, I would like to say it's a one off
until we get to the Philly game and we're seeing
it more consistently. I look at it as a one
off because the difference in pulling the ball in and
not pulling the ball in sometimes it's tracking. Are you
are you losing focus and concentration looking the ball into
your hands? Because let me let me, let me let
(07:02):
me ask both you're in grant this. If I were
to ask you, how do you catch the football? What
would be your answer? With my hands?
Speaker 5 (07:10):
That's exactly what I was not. Seriously, you see, so
many guys try and cradle them.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
You see.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
That's that's the typical answer, right that you say you
catch the football with your hands. No, you use your
hands to catch the football, to haul in.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
To catch, you take the ball out of the air,
But you catch the ball.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
The wide receiver coach told me this when I was
an Infro Europe. You catch it with your eyes. Because
if I ask both of you guys to close your
eyes right now, I'm gonna throw your football. Guess what
you guys are gonna be peeking out of one eye
because you don't want to get hit in the face.
So that's why I look at it. You have to
look the ball in and track it.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
But that's a Dave Logan made that same point on
KOA Sports in the first segment. He said it looked
like he never even saw the ball because he just
never even reacted to it when it hit his hand.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Do we think the additional lighting you saw that they
put up those additional lights from the light now, I'm
just asking, do you think that that had anything to
do with it?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Maybe a little more light to us, all right, No, if.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
That is a problem for any of the Broncos receivers,
you got to use that prop old clop Off in
your house with the.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Advisor on it.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Damn we didn't really see anyone else drop it besides him.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Right there, you go going.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
To bring up every every explanation because they did install
those fifteen thousand extra lights.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
So well, here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
If something continues to happen, you start to think that
does a guy have a vision problem?
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Right?
Speaker 3 (08:37):
The next thing you go and you go and check
their eyes, make sure the vision is what it needs
to be. Because some guys can be nearsighted and far sighted.
That could be a problem. I'm not saying that that's
the issue with Troit Franklin, but once again, there is
somewhat of a concern.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
So is he looking the ball? Is he tracking the ball?
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Or sometimes look I know this because up play a
little receiver and in high school, but sometimes when defenders
get close to you, you might take your eyes off
of the ball right a way to find that that
defender and then now trying to relocate and find the ball.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
That that could be an issue. Yeah, and that's that's
one of those things. I just I wrote that down
in my notes.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I'm like, all right, is this Troy back to dropping
the football after having a great game against the Colts
and and kind of picking things up. Or is this
just a one off, you know game with him where
he's a little off his game and well, we'll figure
that out, I mean, over log hole figure that out.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
I don't think I think Broncos fans are happy with
the win. I think we're happy or at five hundred,
I don't get a giant sense of optimism from the
fan base about this Eagles game.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Well, and on all.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Fairness, I can understand why because you look at Philadelphia,
they are the reigning Super Bowl champs. They are very skilled,
even though with AJ Brown another frustrated wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Very talented, very devine se Smith.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Another talented wide receiver as well, you had Dallas Dallas Godter,
and you got Saquon Barkley. So it's almost like, you know,
pick your poison. And that's exactly how the Broncos is
gonna have to look at it. And if this new
offensive coordinator for the Philadelphia Eagles, if he figures out
any way to attack the Broncos defense, then that would
(10:19):
open up things and the run game for Saquon Barkley
and you definitely definitely don't want to see that monster.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
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We got lots of giveaways there, so you guys come
on down for that anything else as we want to
put a bow on this. This Cincinnati game. We beat
up on two of the worst teams in the AFC,
the Titans of the Bengals. But it's handled business against
teams you should. I'm not trying to wet blanket that
too much.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
You beat the team. What do you mean you and
not trying to wait wet blanketed too much?
Speaker 1 (11:01):
I mean or not, it's damp. They're bad football teams
like they're bad. So I'm not sitting here trying. I
don't know if there's a whole lot that I can
take out of it from that perspective. That said, you
did come out and handle business, and there was some
exciting what looked like to me growth from Sean Payton
and letting those running backs stay in and get in
a rhythm for several plays in a.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Row, and it paid dividends in that game. Here's what I.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Think about this particular game, knowing as though no Burrow
and we know that both the Bengals were struggling on
both sides of the ball.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I looked at this particular.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Game as somewhat of a precursor to the game against
the Eagles. Let's work on a couple of things. If
things go according to plan and we get out to
the early league, we're going to start working on a
couple of things I want to work on. Have bridge
plays next week. And because you treat it, I hate
to say this, but you treat it like preseason, because
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you run plays to set up of the plays. Right,
we saw a lot of those swing rins out to
some to Dobbins, but more to.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
It was RJ. Harvey or maybe Marvin Maams.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Now I've always hope we haven't really seen that, and
and great abundance, but maybe now you get the swing
route right now, you fake that you go to blot
and you go vertical down the field, or you swing
it out to maybe JK. Dobbins or RJ. Harvey, who oh,
by the way, was once a quarterback. Maybe throw it
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on the swing route he throws it downfield. Yeah, I've
kind of been waiting for the RJ. Harvey double pass.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yes, you know kind of thing above. Kind of been
waiting to see if they pull that one out. At
some point. You got mim streaking down.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
A field, you have Harvey on the swing and he
just you know, he's running and just pops up and
puts it up for him.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
What better game to pull the play out like that
other than a game like this, because we know Jordan
Davis and that big fanasy of defense. Those dudes coming downhill,
they're looking to hunt something up, so you use their
aggression against him.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
I would and I would love to see it.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
We know, we know Vix had this game circle, we
know how he feels about the number.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yeah. Yeah, Rick Lewis is not invited, but you know
he's got.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
But he's got, you know, he's he definitely has for him.
Wants to put it to the Broncos and the Broncos organization.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
He felt like he deserves another year here and didn't
get it.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
You know, I this Eagles team's coming back off you know,
they're off a super Bowl. They're four the finding ways
to win right now, and that's you know it. To me,
it's interesting because it's a dangerous football. They're their offense
isn't particularly good, their defense has not been as good
as it was last year.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
But there's the fighting ways to dig out football games.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
And that's that's the confidence that comes from having been
to the top of the mountain before, knowing how you
can get back there and still, you know, in finding
ways even when you're shorthanded or when something's off, fighting
ways to dig out a football game.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
But to me, like when we look at teams and
we kind of.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Or these teams as, oh, they're going to the super Bowl, right,
we look at the rosters, additions, the coaching staff.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
But for me, it's showing that you could win games
like this, right, and.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
This is this would be an excellent test for the Broncos,
the living stats to see exactly where they are from
a coaching standpoint, play, college standpoint and execution standpoint.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Right.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
It's one of these things that you just not you
don't just want to keep the game close, right, you
want to make sure that you win against a team
like this. And like you said, when you look at
the Eagles so far this season, they don't look like
that super Bowl team that just totally dismantled Kansas City.
They're finding ways to keep the game close, run the ball,
(14:45):
make enough plays. Their quarterback doesn't have to throw for
gaudy numbers. And that's the beauty for them and their
fan base. We can still beat you, and our quarterback
can be nineteen to twenty five already can.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
And I love the fact that Sean Payton came out
and uh was for the toush push on the week
of the game against the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
He said, no, they don't need a band of play.
It's just a quarterback sneak that no one is that. Well,
I think he just put the onus on himself.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
You know, if you're if you're gonna be the guy
who comes out and says, you know, hey, it's just
a QB sneak, then you've got to have a You've
got to have something to stop that. Whereas see see it's.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
A loaded question because what I saw this week, I
saw Philadelphia lining up in the touch push and then
they now introduce something and I've been waiting for that
too for a while.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
I'm like, bro, everybody's been trying to bite this thing
for a while. When are they gonna put a jump
pass in here or something else?
Speaker 5 (15:38):
That was an awesome play design a little shovel to
the tight end.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Goddard. Yeah, something about a grant.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
If you are a linebacker and you see, you know,
everyone huddled up inside and no receivers outside, and you're thinking, okay,
well they're gonna run the toush bush and I.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Got to jump over the pile and stop it.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
And next thing you know, they're pitching the ball right
the pitching pitching the ball outside and everyone is kind
of clamped down inside.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yeah, we come back.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
We're gonna have Parker Gambril from the Denver Post get
a chance to catch up with him on this game.
Put a ball on it, look forward to Philadelphia. You guys,
listen to Broncos country like right around Kawa right out
to the Kiwa Compspel hotline though, and bring on our
good buddy from the Denver Post, Parker.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Gabriel at Parker J.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Gabriel on Twitter, Parker, we're celebrating the Monday night football.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Dub here man.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Yeah, that's right, Yeah, it's all And it's already Tuesday night.
It's crazy. We're gonna be in Philadelphia and like, I
don't know a little more than seventy two hours or
something like that.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
That's that's not enough celebration time.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
As we may we may have poor feelings after that
Philadelphia game, So let's stick with the resonating in the
glow of the halo of victory right now.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
It's a little bit growth out of this team.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I know it was the Bengals, and I know we
you know, we beat up on a bad football team.
A little bit of growth out of this coaching staff.
You left running backs in for multiple plays in a row,
almost giving them series, and we saw how effective that was,
got the ball distributed and got a couple of these
receivers going. Look like we finally got an ingram kind
of going a little bit, even if it wasn't highly
highly productive.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
What was your biggest takeaway from this game?
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Yeah, that the defense dominated. Honestly, the No I kidding,
I mean, I think it was just it was a
good night on both sides of the ball. For sure, Offensively,
I think, I mean that's sort of what I wrote
after the game. I think because of the opponent and
just how dire straights Cincinnati's and especially defensively, I'm not
quite ready to say, oh, all the ills your cured.
(17:31):
They've got an identity. Okay, you know, away we go.
But I do think you sort of saw the seeds
of what they could be offensively, and I think what
a lot of the players want to be offensively, And obviously,
like Sean Payton's had plenty of teams in New Orleans
that were good running the football or that at least
ended up with good numbers running the football, and so yeah,
(17:52):
the main question is are you know or are you
going to call plays like that against Philadelphia and against
Kansas City and and and some of the Obviously you
have to be efficient to be able to keep riding
the ball and all that. So I think you saw
sort of the kernels of what they can be offensively,
and certainly what a lot of the players would tell
you they want to be offensively. The defensively, just you know,
(18:15):
Patzertan doing what he does against Jamar Chase and the
defense after giving up you know, the field goal drive.
The start just absolutely snuffed him for the rest of
the game.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Well, Parkin, this is probably gonna be the last time
we talked to you before the.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Game on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
And I mean, when when you look at this matchup
ahead of time, does it look like the Broncos have
an opportunity or Bettie, let me rephrase that. If the
Broncos were or are to go into Philadelphia instill road win,
what is it in your mind that they may have
to do consistently in order for that to happen.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Yeah, I think the biggest thing, the single biggest thing.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
You know.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
You can always talk about turnovers, you can always talk
about special teams, I talk about penalties or whatever. But
this is a game where the Broncos believe that they
are among the best in the NFL on the offensive
line and defensive line, and Philadelphia same way, probably with
a little bit more track record, just obviously defending world
champions and you know, twenty out of the last twenty
(19:19):
one all of that. So if you win the battle
in the trenches against Philadelphia, you can win this game,
even on the road. The thing is, teams just haven't
consistently figured out a way to do that for a
whole game against against this team. So yeah, I mean,
you think you've got the best defensive front of football,
Let's see it against jess Allons group. You know, you
(19:40):
think you have a big, rugged offensive line that can
impose its will on just about anybody. You know, Let's
see it in this game against this defensive front. And
if you can, if you can get out of other
problems too. Obviously, Quinnant Mitchell and Cooper de john and
all those guys are really good in the secondary too. Obviously,
they've got playmakers at all three levels on defense. But
(20:02):
if you can control the line of scrimmage in this game,
you can be there at the end of the game.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Todd Parker Gabriel at Parker J. Gabriel on Twitter.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
As we look back again at this the Cincinnati game,
few odd things stood out. Broncos still piling up the penalties.
That's that's a problem. You know, a couple of a
couple of glaring spots here the center position, which has
kind of had an eyebrow raised all year.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Troy Franklin back to the drops. Is this a one off?
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Or is this is this just Troy Troy having a
bad game, or is Troy back to being you know,
drop the ball Troy.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Yeah, I mean I think it's a little more than
one game. We've seen it in a couple other spots
so far this season. Although he's also you know, I
think obviously he'd say he's taken a big jump too,
so certainly something he's capable of putting behind him. But
I think it's something to minitor, it's not. I don't
think it's just as simple as though he dropped one
or two. It's it's it's not quite oh he's got
(20:56):
a case of the drops again. But I don't think
it's quite just a one off. And then yeah, I'm
the offensive one. And like obviously the bad night for
Luke Wattenberg side penalties overall, three of them, except that
he was downfield twice and some of that you know
downfield sometimes that you know, the ball got out on
a screen a little bit late, and it's all timing
(21:16):
based and whatever like that's not necessarily always going to
be on the guy that's downfield, or at least exclusively
on the guy's downfield, So like anything, there's nuance to it.
But yeah, listen, like, Yeah, that's something to pay attention to,
especially when you're you're going into a short week of preparation.
I mean, Philadelphia's defensive tackles look and play a little
(21:37):
bit differently than Cincinnati's.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
No Park, I got to ask you this question because
I have individuals who I talk to who you know,
beat writers and work in national media around the country,
and you know, we had a conversation. I will I
tell you with who, But here's something I came up
in conversation. I definitely would love to get both your
your standpoint of bands as well.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Watch the game last night? What was their feelings? Though?
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Maybe did Bow bail out Sean Payton last night by
being able to use his athleticism?
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Did he bail him out? Well?
Speaker 4 (22:11):
I I mean I think, I mean Sean said he
bailed him out in the in the way they handled
the last thirteen seconds of the half. In general, I thought,
I don't know if it's a bailout or not, but
I think yeah. I thought bo Nicks used his legs
more effectively last night than than he has maybe so
far this season. He's had a couple of scrambles the
(22:32):
last couple of weeks, but he when he is assertive,
you know, when he sort of like a point guard
in basketball, when he presses the line of scrimmage. Once
he starts moving up, makes defenses react to him, then
either takes off and runs or distributes the football. Like
generally speaking, good things happen. And so that's obviously a
strong part of Bonix's game. Now he's made some mistakes
(22:55):
on the move this year too, but generally speaking, that's
a strong part of the game. And then to get
them into a play after that penalty with thirteen seconds
plus in the first half where they're throwing the ball
at the end zone. I mean, Champagne didn't exactly say this,
but what it sounded like to me was they had
a bad play call for the personnel and for the
(23:16):
fact that they had thirteen seconds in no timeouts from
the twenty yard line. Bonix got them into a good play.
You know, you got Evan Ingram and four receivers basically
five receivers on the field, and so that was literally
I mean, Sean Payton said after the game, you know,
bo build me out in that one, So that'd be
one instance of it. And then you know, the legs
I think you know you got to use the legs
(23:37):
if your bone mix at this.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Point, the flip side of that booting to the right
hand side to that ugly interception.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
You know, what is it with Baul?
Speaker 1 (23:46):
He's still having some moments like that where you're like,
what is it that you think you're seeing down there?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Why wouldn't you just take that in with your legs?
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Right? Yeah, exactly, And I mean the fact of the
matter is, obviously, you know you're looking at when he's
rolling to the right on that fourth and two down deep,
You're like, run, run it, run it, run it, run it.
Even in completion, you know, reagion for the goal line
and fumbling the ball out of bounds and short of
(24:14):
the goal line, there are so many things where even
failure on fourth and two from the two are better
than throwing a pick in the end zone where the
ball comes out to the twenty at least pin and
beep right like at least dive for the goal line
and at the worst have them start at their own
half yard line with that offensive line and Jake Browning.
(24:35):
So yeah, that was it. You know, I thought there
was just a few times on that drive. It might
have been three times on that particular drive where it
just was Zingerman the flat to the left and it's
late and he stepped out of a man probably should
have got both feet down anyways, but like the ball's
out late and he's pressed against the sideline where maybe
you could get it to them, you know, more around
(24:55):
the numbers, same thing going right, just a beat. Lady
might walk into the instead of getting tackled the two.
So there's some of that stuff where it's just like,
you know, three hundred and twenty six yards and two touchdowns,
career high passing yards, all that like a lot of good,
some assertiveness in the scramble, But there's just still things
too where it's just every once in a while it
(25:16):
doesn't happen quite as fast as you think. And then
there's these little pockets where you know, it's the same
thing a couple of times, or similar things a couple
of times.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
How good was it to see both Jonathan Cooper and
Nick Benito both have a meeting of the minds at
the quarterback and can they both successfully consistently do that
this upcoming week against the Eagles.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
Yeah, you have me a good test against Philadelphia. It was,
I mean, DJ we talked to DJ DJ Jones today
and he said it was like the Spider Man gifts.
They both got there and they were like pointing at
each other like, oh you're oh, you're here. So yeah, yeah.
The funny thing about that is, you know that play,
particularly where they both just they whipped each of the tackles.
(26:02):
The funny thing about it is there's four guys on
Zach Allen in the middle. So that's you know, I've
heard a couple of people say, oh, what's Zach Allen,
what's he done this year? After the big deal and
all that. It's like, well, every once in a while
you get quadruple team, then you're probably not going real
far in that regard. So yeah, I mean, listen, Cooper
and Benito are bost playing at a really high level. Obviously,
(26:22):
Benito's off to a monster start to the season. And
the next step on that is to not just I mean,
they had good pressure numbers against Justin Herbert, but obviously
Herbert made the play when accounted. The next step on
that is when the game's in the balance against good
teams on the road, aka, you know this week, can
(26:43):
you get home and can you get Jalen Hurts on
the ground when the chips are down, because that's that's
a little bit of a different challenge obviously than getting
after Jake Browning on your home field with all the noise.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Interesting stretch of games coming up against mobile quarterbacks, hypermobile quarterbacks.
Jalen Hart's potentially justin field, assuming he's hung on to
the starting job that long as we as we.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Look at this, anything anything to that. Vance has done a.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Pretty good job against multiple quarterbacks over the years in
limiting their their success with their legs. But anything to
that having not really I mean, as some of the
guys they played at a little mobility to him, Herbert
and Jones and that kind of stuff, but these guys
are on the athletic level of guys like Hertzer Fields.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Yeah, no, I think you're right. I mean, a lot
of it depends on you know, last year for example,
that you know, Vance felt like he had to play
a lot of his own against Lamar Jackson just because
of the ability. And obviously Derrek Henry has something to
do with that too, And so you're talking about obviously
maybe not Jaleen Hurts, maybe not quite the pure runner,
but you're talking about him and Sakuon Markley. That's a
(27:45):
pretty darn good combination in the backfield too. And so
you know, I think you're trying to just create enough
doubt and enough different looks and all of that where
you can still play the way you want to play,
i e. You know, a lot of man coverage and
rush with four as often as you can bring a
fifth one you need to if you can. If you
(28:07):
can rush in a disciplined enough way in order to
do that, then you stand a chance. But when this team,
especially with sort of where they're at at linebacker and
all of that, when this team gets in some trouble defensively,
it's when they feel like they have to, you know,
play a lot his own and sit back a little
bit more on coverage. And so that's that's sort of
(28:29):
the challenge. And they have they have smart front seven defenders,
they have pretty disciplined rushers and most of the time,
and so that's a big challenge for them is not
just create havoc in the pass rush, but do it
in a way where you can also sort of keep
Jalen Hurts from doing too much sandwich with his legs.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
You know, we've seen coach Payton go for it on
fourth and one and fourth and two and in some
cases is driven my co host next to me crazy.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
So that I mean, in this game.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Against this front four a big Fanjo has with the egos,
will Sean Payton be willing to kind of roll the
dice again and go for a lot of those fourth
and short plays, being as though he is a guy
who kind of said that he agreed with the Tisch push.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Yeah, well, you know it also drove Ben nuts that
they didn't go for it on fourth and one from
their own twenty nine against.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
The Chargers very much.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
So, so you've got that. I mean, I think you'll
see him play aggressive. That's that's generally. I say generally
because there's been examples of the opposite, like the end
of regulation in Cincinnati last year, But generally, in games
like this against good teams, he's been aggressive. He knows
they have to control the ball and the pace of
(29:50):
the game in order to win against a team like
this on the road, and so I think generally speaking,
you'll see an aggressive posture and sort of an aggressive
uh decision set on that. But also this is the
defense where it's tough to just line up and get
two yards up the middle, and so you get stuck
(30:11):
in this You know, you can almost feel this with
with Sean Payton in this offense. Sometimes in fourth and short,
it's like you're you're you feel like you're stuck. It's
either it's either Adam Prentice up the middle or it's
that sort of your fake to dive and you pitch
it out and then you know you're getting strung out
outside and so that's where the play action. That's why
(30:33):
you know, obviously they hit the one to Sutton last
week against the Chargers. There's there's if you I think
he'll have a couple of things in the bag for
fourth down and I think at some point during the
game and they see him try to use it.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Tygo Parker Gabriel at Parker J. Gabriel on Twitter. Yeah,
that is sort of the thing with Sean Payton.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
He gets this reputation as being aggressive and the reality
is to the first three quarters of a lot of
games he is aggressive, but typically in the fourth quarter,
for whatever reason, he tends to sort of turtle. We
saw that. You talked about that just a minute ago.
With last year with the you know, the Bengals seeing
with the Chargers. We saw it with the Chargers this year.
We've seen it several times. I wonder what that is
(31:11):
a byproduct of a coach being aggressive through the first
three quarters of the game and you get down to
endgame situations and you start to turtle.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Yeah, well, I mean heartbreak will do funny things to you.
That's part of it. I think when you've seen, you know,
a number of close ones go your way and odd ways.
Certainly death factored in the field goal decision earlier in
the season when he was talking about, you know, fifty
four yards going forward on fourth and eight in the opener,
That's what it was, you know, where it was like,
(31:39):
I've just seen it go bad. There's definitely that you
definitely had some of that. That's not even all bad necessarily.
I just you feel some of that the history of
all the times that things have gone against you rather
than all the time certain things have worked out. And
then also some of it is just I don't know
that he's ever He's not certainly in his time here,
(32:02):
gotten to a point seemingly where he's got full trust
in the run game against good teams. So we've seen it,
we saught against New Orleans last year. Obviously, we saw
it last night against Cincinnati. When you can, when you
feel like you can line up and get three yards
against anybody, those short yard situations become easier, not only
(32:23):
because that option is on the table, but because sort
of then everything's on the table rather than a team
assuming that you're going to be throwing it on fourth
and two. So there's some of that cat and mouse game,
I think, But certainly if there's a time to, you know,
to have the sort of conviction that you're you're going
for it in a lot of those scenarios, as long
(32:43):
as it's sort of within the margin of what's you know,
quote unquote smart, then I would think this would be
a game for it.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Let's hope that they're getting out of Philadelphia with the wa.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Here and headed to London. On the positive side of
five hundred. Appreciate you taking some time.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Been like, yeah, you bet you got that.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Guys, absolutely take care of Parker gabriel let Parker. Jake
Gaveil on Twitter for never post react to that. When
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