10-01-25 Hour 1 of Broncos Country Tonight

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yankees and Bosoxs, and how are you going to pop
a bunt up to the mound? Like I wasn't even
a good baseball player, and like the first thing they
do is teach you to angle the back down.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
It's for the third.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Base line, so you can put the ball on the ground.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Down the third base line. I get the maximumount of
throw and try to get you out.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Well, I was a good bunter because I was left
handed and I couldn't hit very well, so I learned
how to drag bunt.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
But they it's a lost art man. People don't teach
it like they used to.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Yeah, I mean that was one of the like when
when you do hitting, like the first day in Little League,
I guess one of the before you even get this
hit right, until you learn how to they teach you
how to butt first.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
You know, you got a guy on Fursday the teaching.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
The bunt and go and you teach you you know, put.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
It down the third base line, halfway between the mound
and you know, halfway between the plate and the mound,
down the third base line, so that you.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Got the max so somebody's got the maxim amount.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Of distance to cover to try to get the thing
and throw and throw you out at first.

Speaker 5 (00:46):
Well, apparently the Boston ris Socks player didn't do that.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
And to be fair, we never had to do it
in the MLB playoffs. Maybe just a little more pressure
to get that bunt down.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
What do you mean you never made the Major League
Baseball playoffs come.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Like a bore American Legion state players back in two thousand,
even at this level, right, I mean, you are the
best of the best.

Speaker 6 (01:10):
You're supposed to have masters. That's new, but we still do.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
We still see NFL kickers miss extra points.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
You know that's different. How was it different?

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Because it's different because it ruins your analogy. Five, we're
not going to talk. We're not going to talk baseball
very much. A lot of texts comed in here to
please talk Broncos.

Speaker 6 (01:33):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
I was like, don't worry, because when I was doing
the cross talk, I was like, you ever gonna talk soccer,
W n B A. It's all coming up in the
A block. Yeah, they were the you know the text
you know what?

Speaker 6 (01:46):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (01:47):
Not having that not to talk get deep into weeds
with with baseball. For me, this is the best time
of the year to watch baseball because I mean, with
with as many games at the having baseball, it's just
like too many games. And I tune in usually after
All Star, right, because that's when teams start to really

(02:10):
position themselves to make a run. And I love this
whole idea of wildcars, like NFL Wildcard. It is one
of these win and go home type of situations. So
I love every every moment of sports in October.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Well, and the cool thing about baseball this time of year,
like I only watch highlights up until the playoffs basically,
and now this time of year, every single pitch has
so much energy and so much importance that it is
fun to watch.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
My problem is, my problem is I look at the standings,
you know, in May, and I'm like, oh, there's the
Rockies way down there.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
At the bottom from the Rockies today.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Yeah, the Billish pit stepping down totally not fires.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Am I supposed to say that at them?

Speaker 6 (02:51):
Well?

Speaker 5 (02:51):
You know what, any change is welcome change because whatever
was taking place wasn't working.

Speaker 6 (02:58):
I think we can all agree on that. We not.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Yeah, And like I've already made clear what I would
do in this case, I got to do. I go out,
you know, And Jack Corgan told me why it won't work,
But I still maintain you go out and get Hideki
Kurayama and make him the president of baseball is you know,
to be the manager in the dugout, but he's the
architect of what it is that you're going to do.
Helps you hire the right guys and put the right
system in place. He's the He's that legendary Japanese baseball code,

(03:21):
the guy who who found Shoheo Tani. You know, his
his mentored a lot of these guys taught him how
to play. And I would suggest you go out and
get a baseball an excellent baseball mind from outside the
organization like that, and bring him in. And instead of
doing that, we're probably gonna see you know somebody that's
been a rocky before or something along those lines.

Speaker 5 (03:40):
Well, I mean, for me, I'll put this out on
social media the other day that when you look around
Major League Baseball, they said, well, what are some of
those organizations who have done it the right way, whether
for a extends a period of time or even over.

Speaker 6 (03:54):
A short period of time.

Speaker 5 (03:56):
So first I thought about the diamond body becks right,
how bad they for years, but they build a team
that won a pennant. And then you look at the Dodgers,
historically one of the better teams in Major League Baseball
as far as building out a team, but more importantly
their farming system. Right, So, so try to steal a

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couple of individuals off of those teams and try to use,
you know, their skill for building a team to kind
of help this Rocket team.

Speaker 6 (04:24):
At this point, I mean, what more can you do?

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, that's I mean. And that's the question.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Like I have the feeling it's gonna wind up in
on thad Levine or date More, both of which have
ties to the Rangers organization.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Date More was with the Royals.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
He was the guy that took the Royals out of
being a twenty year loser and got them to you know,
the World Series.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
So he has experienced with a small a small.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Market team and guiding them out of being terrible into
being good, and so he's certainly done it before.

Speaker 5 (04:52):
But here's another piece of advice for someone at the
Rockets organization. You have the Rapids, the Nuggets, the Broncos,
the Ads, all hometown teams who have found ways to
build teams and win a chip in their respective sport.

(05:13):
Would to behoove them to maybe have lunch and talk
to some of these individuals, even though I know the
sport is different, but just talk to maybe George Peyton.
How is it that you're able to bring in undrafted
players and develop those guys?

Speaker 6 (05:31):
I mean, wouldn't that be a.

Speaker 5 (05:32):
Worthwhile discussion to have because the Broncos have it has
some success.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Yeah, I mean, I suppose picking the brain of other
general managers is probably always a good idea even across
sports as far as that goes.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
To see what you can pick up. But at the
end of the day, what I saw today.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Not a lot of I mean, fans just don't have
faith that the Rockies are truly going to go outside
the organization here and do something different than what they've
done the entire time.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
And it'll be interesting to see if you know.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
The Rocky actually do that, or if they do what
they've they've usually done and and continue down the same
path and hoping for better results.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Well, we'll get to see if Walker Momford actually has
some control.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Well, and that's the.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
That's sort of the thing, like if you're gonna hire somebody,
you need to hire somebody that's gonna have some control too.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
They've got to have power.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
You can't just hire somebody and then be like you're
the guy, except you got no control.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
This is what we're doing, you know.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
You have to hire somebody who's got a plan, you know,
and let them execute that plan.

Speaker 5 (06:24):
We see, here's the most important thing about what you
just said.

Speaker 6 (06:29):
First you have to have a plan.

Speaker 5 (06:32):
Then someone has to give you enough control to allow
you to execute your plan. And many times a lot
of organizations you don't see that take place, like like
and here's here's a great thing about living here in Denver, Colorado.
And sometimes the fans here can be spoiling. And I
totally understand. Most of the majority of the teams here

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have won titles or played in meaningful games.

Speaker 6 (06:57):
Now when we look at the Rockies, no, you don't
have that.

Speaker 5 (07:00):
So it's just like, okay, well, do you just want
to have a team just to say you have a team,
or do you want to say that we have a
team because we are truly committed to winning championships.

Speaker 6 (07:09):
And this is one thing that I love about.

Speaker 5 (07:12):
The Denver Broncos, especially coming here from the New York Jets,
right and those flight to the New York Jets but
coming to the Broncos, it was the only time that
I was able to beat the New England Patriots and
Tom Brady consistently being here as a member of the
Broncos because it was expected, this is what we do.
We don't talk about it, we don't worry even the banners.

(07:34):
There was no social media, There was none of those things.
We didn't talk to individuals who cover the sports and say, well,
we're going to the playoffs, We're going to do this.
It was none of that. It was a belief that
you go out and you do it. Yeah, you go
out and you do it.

Speaker 6 (07:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
The difference I think in baseball versus other sports is
how much ramp up it takes to get to the
pro game, right. I mean, in the NFL, you're expected
to be ready to go year one. If you're not
actively contributing by year two. I mean, and you know
all you.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
Get that, you know what I'm talking about, Like, you
get that great, you get a little bit of that
grace as a rookie, and then beyond that, like you
really don't you know.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
NBA, I mean, you get you're expected to contribute pretty
much right away. It may take them a little bit
to get used to the you know, the NBA game
at season or two, to get us the NBA game,
But you're expected to contribute right away. Some guys as
young as seventeen over the course of the you know,
over the course of the years. You know, a baseball,
I mean, you're not hitting your prime until you're twenty
years old.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
You know, you're old in the NFL.

Speaker 6 (08:31):
Yeah, you're a grandfather of the NFL.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
You're just your a rookie baseball. And so there's you know,
there's there's kind of it takes a long time, you know,
get through those systems and get up there. So turning
the franchise arounds like turning around a cruise ship, you know,
like it takes forever to turn that thing around and
get it all the way pointed in the other direction.
And so that's that's one of those things like I think,
you know, end of the day, even if you do

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get the right guy, you might not see results for
four years.

Speaker 5 (08:58):
Once again, it goes back to do you have an
eye for talent and I can understand looking at things
from the future perspective. You want guys to play now,
so you feel your team for veterans and then you
have a mixture of young guys.

Speaker 6 (09:13):
That's kind of what the philosophy was.

Speaker 5 (09:16):
When I arrived here with the Broncos, there were still
a McCaffrey, there was still John Mobley, right, and you
had Rod Smith, a lot of guys from those back
to back Super Bowl teams, Trevor Price. But then you
had the mixture of guys like myself. You know, they
traded Clinton Porters for Champ Bailey, right, Like how many

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teams would actually make a trade or think to make.

Speaker 6 (09:42):
A trade like that.

Speaker 5 (09:44):
But that's a team that has a foresight to say,
you know what, these are the things that we do, well,
we're going to continue to do it. And there's a
reason why Pittsburgh they're in the playoffs. Now you can say, well,
Mike Tomlin still have lost multiple or playoff games. Well,
guess how many teams do you think that would give
their pinky finger? So just to say that they've been

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to the playoffs as consecutively as the Steelers, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
There's a lot. There's something to be said for that.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
The Royals, when date More took over, they had had
two seasons above five hundred in the previous twelve years
before he got there, right, they had been horrifically bad,
and it still took them when he got there in
two thousand and six, it still took them till what
was it twenty I think thirteen was the first year
that they got above five hundred, and then they lost
the World Series and they won it the next year.

(10:31):
It took it still took him eight years to turn
that thing around all the way around.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
I mean, they got better every year when he got there.
I mean they started off they were.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
A sixty two win team, you know, coming off a
fifty six win season when he got there. It took
him a while to start getting the you know, then
by twenty eleven or seventy one wins and there's seventy
two wins in twenty twelve, then eighty six and eighty
nine to ninety five. It took them, you know, but
it took them eight years to turn that thing around
once again.

Speaker 5 (10:55):
It's it's crazy, and it's difficult to win a championmanship.

Speaker 6 (11:01):
Let's be totally honest.

Speaker 5 (11:02):
It's really difficult to win a championship, and everyone has
to be all in, from the players, the coaches, the
front office, stab and when you think about it. Like
the New York Jets, it has been fourteen seasons since
they've made a playoff appearance. Fourteen seasons. That's that's that's wild, right,

(11:24):
that that is wild. And once again right now the
Jets are what they're owed three, they could be owed
four by the end of this weekend because if I'm
not mistaken, they play the Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yeah, they played Dallas and then they got us.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
After that, they could very well get to you know,
to all and six without without Lincoln.

Speaker 5 (11:40):
And just And I can tell you being in New
York City, those fans are used to winning championships. New
York City is just that type of city. And if
you're not winning, they coming for you. I'll let you know, yes.
But anyway, we'll get to more rocky stuff a little bit.
Bill Schmid, moving on the team, says they're doing an
external search.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
We'll see how that goes. I've already laid my plan
out there. At least bring it Thatcky Kurayama in uh.
Put him at the top and let him let him
architect this whole program top to bottom.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
But that that's just me. What do I know?

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Five six sixty nine zero is the text line seven
to oh, I'm not confident, but I'm hopeful the Rockies
get the right people in place to build a winner.
I wish the Walton Pennick group on the Rockies so frustrating.
I mean, good ownership does go a long way. We've
seen that firsthand with the with the Denver Broncos. Good
ownership does go a long way towards creating a better product.
That's said, I will say that I think the Monforts

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do everything well except the baseball portion of it.

Speaker 5 (12:32):
Maybe maybe that's probably that's probably part of the issue.

Speaker 6 (12:36):
Well it is, I mean, else is working well.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
They got they got a great stadium experience, the food,
the fans, the area, all that kind of stuff. They're
willing to spend they I mean, they're payrolls middle of
the middle of baseball.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
It's not like they don't spend.

Speaker 6 (12:47):
Maybe they need to spend, spend a little more.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
I mean maybe, but I mean that's but it's not
like they're you know, it's not like they're the Oakland
Athletics or you know, or anything, or whether they are
now they're Sacramento of the Athletics of Las Vegas.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Or whatever they are are now.

Speaker 6 (13:00):
But they like, you know, they're not cheap.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
The monforts aren't cheap. That's not the problem.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
The problem has been that you've you've had these same
baseball guys in there, and and their whole philosophy doesn't work.
Whether it was all the bats that we had forever
and then we couldn't get any pitching, or whether it's
now where they don't have anything, it's it's that philosophy
that they've had inside that building has not worked, and
it's time to scrap the baseball people out of there
and bring in different baseball people with an updated plan

(13:27):
on how to win the current game.

Speaker 5 (13:29):
Well, isn't it said the definition of insanity is doing
the same thing and expecting a different outcome. Yeah, And
when you have some of the same people in the
same rows for multiple years, they they kind of settle
into those rows and their philosophy of the way that
they see players.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Well, hey, guys get the you know, guys that are
at the top, their lieutenants tend to be philosophically aligned
with them.

Speaker 6 (13:53):
Right.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
You tend to surround.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yourself with people the white people, right, which, you know,
you always want to have smart people that disagree with you.
On your staff just because you almost sround yourself with
yes men, but it doesn't appear like that's what the
Rockies have done. And so over the years what you
got was got you know, Okay, we're firing this guy,
We'll promote the next guy up. Oh, it's just somebody
who pre even doing seems the same way last guy.

Speaker 6 (14:12):
I did, you know, and I'm like, what are we
doing here?

Speaker 5 (14:15):
It was like you were was this guy mentee? So
everything that you know you learned from him. So there's
no outside of the box thinking. And when we talk
about the creation of culture and any team in any professional.

Speaker 6 (14:28):
League, it comes down to what's your mental make up?

Speaker 5 (14:33):
And the reason I say that because I just want
to take Broncos fans back, just to tell the story
when the Broncos lost to the Seattle Seahawks and met
life Hayton Manning was a quarterback and it was tremendous
beat down by.

Speaker 6 (14:46):
The Seattle Seahawks and Russell Wilson.

Speaker 5 (14:48):
That year, I said, you know what, who do I
know in Seattle? Because I want to figure out what
they're doing. I wanted to go there, So I went there,
did a coach an internship.

Speaker 6 (14:59):
Dan Quinn. Yes, right, I got the chins to sit
around watch.

Speaker 5 (15:03):
Them and see how they kind of handle things from
a scouting standpoint and the coaching standpoint. And after that,
I truly understood why players wanted to go to see
out if it was no different than the reason players
wanted to come here to Denver because the culture, what
the coach was doing and kind of giving relinquish a
little of power to those players. But they knew that

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they were looking for players that had a specific makeup,
not just a physical.

Speaker 6 (15:30):
Makeup to mental makeup. Are you about that life? Are
you about that grind?

Speaker 5 (15:35):
And we saw how that worked out for pet Care
for so many years. And once again, I'll go back
to this because I'm going to lean on the sports
here in this town. When you look at the Avalanche,
right and everything that they have done up to this point,
I mean, great roster, great personnel, right, but they have
kind of built that culture like when we get to

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the postseason, kel McCall a, right now, guys are going
to turn it on. That's what you expect from the Nuggets.
I mean, I mean from from the abs. And then
when you think about the Nuggets, it's Nicola Jokic, the
Denver Broncos kind of the same thing. So with the Rockies,
they have to adopt that philosophy. What is not our identity?
What can we actually lean on because at this particular point,

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the only identity that they have is one of.

Speaker 6 (16:23):
A franchise where fans just celebrate.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
The ballpark, yeah, and come to see the opponents, come
to see great players come play at course, and it.

Speaker 5 (16:30):
Shouldn't ben and it shouldn't be that way because these
these fans here and I only I've been in Denver
as a player and I moved back since then. They
love their ball club. I mean, shouldn't they be rewarded
for all their fandom?

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Well at some point, yeah, I think what you I mean.
The thing to take away from the Nuggets, it's difficult
to say, hey, I hope you backdoor your way to
a generationally great player in the second round.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Is on TV.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
Draft the wall A chilupa Kershon was on TV because
nobody thought it was important enough to have the cameras
on at that pick. But there's a different way to
look at that, and that is take chances on guys
you think can be generational. Right, somebody who's banging the
table for Nicole Yokic over there, somebody was banging the
table for him in a second, like, we gotta gi
bring this guy. And I'm telling you give me a
couple of years and this thing. Listen to your scouts,

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listen to your.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Your talent evaluators out there banging the table, say we
gotta bring this guy and he could be generation might
not be the guy they're talking about at the top
of the draft, but this guy could be something. Take
chances on guys that could develop into generational players.

Speaker 6 (17:26):
Roll the dice, this won't run. I'm all for it. Chance.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
I'd like to give props to Grant. This is from
the three zero three. I enjoy his podcast and the
archives apparently and.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
What appears to be a rapid upward trajectory in his
career right textan himself here, I see what's going on.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Oh thanks Tom.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
I do want to ask your thoughts about what coach
Lafangio and his potential ability to exploit your weakness at
our defense. I believe there are a couple of guys
still on the roster from his head coaching stint here
in Denver.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Will that make any difference in your opinion.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Well, we got to hit a break, but we'll get
to that when we come back right here on Broncos
Country tonight.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
You'll kidd'll buckle bed.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
We had a text forrit forward to break asking uh, well,
basically just praising Grants really and then asking a question
about Fangio and what the holdover from his his stint
here in Denver and if that makes any difference maybe So.
I mean, there's a few players that are still here
from you know, from Vix time, and I'm sure he'll
have an idea or a game plan on how to

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defend a guy like Courtland Sutton who's been here the
whole time. I'm sure he'll know, you know, the intricacies
of you know, Garrett Bowles and his blocking, you know,
those kinds of things. Obviously, Sir Tan was a guy
that was drafted when Vic was here. But most of
those guys, I mean, honestly, most of those guys are
gone now, that's how big the roster turnover is and

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has been.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
Most of those guys are just they're just not here anymore.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
You know, Russ was after Vic, So that that tells you,
you know, how many quarterbacks removed we are from from
Vic being here. Vick's a great defensive coordinator, defensive mastermind anyway,
so I think he would already have a great game plan.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Vic was obviously.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Had the was the mastermind defensively of that performance where
the Broncos went up and got seventy hung on them
in Miami, when both those coaches had a little bit
of action to grind. So I don't think this is
the Vic Fangil revenge game. I think that already happened.
But in regard to you know, Vic knowing a few
pieces of the roster, yeah, I mean he does. I

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don't think. I don't think it's some kind of hidden
Eagles advantage or anything like that. But they do know,
they do know a little bit about this roster.

Speaker 6 (19:31):
Yeah they do.

Speaker 5 (19:32):
And that plays a little into you know, Sunday's matchup,
but not a lot, Ben because it comes down to
can you execute. It always comes down to how well
your players actually execute the game plan. But execution with consistency,
that's what's going to take for the Broncos to win
this game. And what we've seen are a couple of things.

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And I'm sure Vic Fangio and they're talking about this
in Philadelphia that the Broncos have not always consistently started
fast and they haven't finished And with the exception of
a couple of games here and there are a couple
of plays here and there. Historically the Broncos in the
past couple of years, they don't do well coming out
of halftime. If they get that opening drive, typically that

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doesn't end with the score. In the game against the Chargers,
we saw something a little different. They were able to
move the ball down with JK. Dobbins and put points
on the board. Now, what VIC is probably thinking is
in order to kind of stop the Broncos, and what
the Broncos were able to do with the boot game
against the Bengals on Monday night, shut down the run.

Speaker 6 (20:39):
That's gonna be their biggest thing. Shut Down the run, and.

Speaker 5 (20:42):
They're gonna figure, Okay, well, we don't have and the
Eagles don't really have like one of those secondaries like
the Broncos that strike fear and individuals. But because of
the front four and the relentless pressure that they get
and I'm not talking about vertical penetration.

Speaker 6 (20:59):
These are run and chase big guys.

Speaker 5 (21:02):
We saw Jordan Davis run down the field after field
goal was blocked, so you know, he's got a little
speed to him. So the Broncos are facing a real
good challenge. But for me, we'll get a chance to
really see where this team is. And from what I
know about these players on the Broncos roster, they're looking
forward to this game.

Speaker 6 (21:20):
They want to be able to go out and compete.

Speaker 5 (21:22):
And really kind of shut they service up about what
this team is capable of opposed to what they're incapable of.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
Yeah, and I think, you know, as much as this
past week against the Bengals was kind of a must
win game. And I know it sounds stupid. It sounds stupid,
No it doesn't. I mean kinda because every hot take
radio guys like.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Is not over. But there's a huge difference between one
and three and two, and.

Speaker 6 (21:50):
That's why it was so important.

Speaker 5 (21:51):
Then. It was the fact that you're playing against the
Bengals without Joe Burrow and it's a team that was
at the bottom statistically on all phases of the game.

Speaker 6 (21:58):
So if you were the to this team, I mean, one.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
In three is a rough.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
I mean it's like it's one game difference between one
and three and two and two. But It is a
world to do because two and two you're back to
five hundred one and three. You can't get back to
five hundred until at least after the Jets game. If
you beat the Eagles and Jets, then you're just back
to five hundred. You lose to the Eagles, now you
won in four and you can't get back to five
hundred until what week seven, week eight?

Speaker 6 (22:23):
Right?

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yes, so you know, and that's if you go on
a win streak against the Jets, Giants, Cowboys and then
you get the Texans. So you know, being there's something
too mentally being at five hundred or above.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
And that's why.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
This Eagles game, I think is interesting. Do you want
to go into loud and two and three? You love
to going to load and three and two, especially against
the Jets, they stink on offense.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Justin Field is a bum.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
He should be locked in a closet and never allowed
to touch a football again.

Speaker 6 (22:44):
Wow, it's an old bit.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
It's a lot the lines an old It's an old bit.
Somebody was impersonating Steven A and was like doing that.
He should be locked at a clauset and never allowed
to touch a ball again.

Speaker 6 (22:58):
Allowed to do with this whole between you and young
Zack seekers.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Well, no, that that came from our good friend Mario actually, but.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
By the way, that bet is done for you. There's
no way Russell Wilson stepped on the field again this year.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
He literally stepped on the field in that game. Okay,
he's not going to score a touchdown again this year.
Maybe maybe not because Jackson in New York the win totals.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
I mean, we did talk about that because I watched
that game and Jackson Dart was okay, but it.

Speaker 7 (23:27):
Doesn't matter even how good he played. They beat the
Chargers who were three and oh and he won. Yeah,
it's yeah. I mean there's some turnovers, yeah, I just
I don't know they were hiding dark most wait for list.

Speaker 5 (23:37):
If we're going to be really honest about that game,
you have to give a lot of credit to Brian
burn Burns in that past Lawrence, Yes, from the New
York Giants. Those dudes were humming like justin Herbert didn't
really have time to find those quick outlet throws.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
That showed up in that game.

Speaker 6 (23:58):
And then they lost what one or two more guys
during the game.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
We're in the game, right, they lost two more so
they're down to like third string offensive line at this point,
which is but anyway, I digress.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
I don't want to take away from the Jazz get
to win, but uh yes.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Russ may not get back on the field with them,
although he might get back on the field with a
different team there Grant Smith Cincinnati Bengals.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
You know, I hope.

Speaker 6 (24:21):
You have no idea how hard I'm rooting for.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
That, because if he does, you know, he's gonna score
so many touchdowns.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
I'd rather have jamis either one, either one. But the
bet is twofold.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
It's also wins and Fields has not yet managed to
uh win the game.

Speaker 6 (24:44):
I'm not even worry as long as.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
I'm not even worried about that, Like.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Because he said in the when Fields finally got that
touchdown in like the fourth quarter or whatever it was
that game, he said, like this fireworks about like I'm
not even worried about that's like the oh you got lucky,
you got one.

Speaker 6 (25:02):
It's not gonna did they win the game? Okay, it
was never any danger of them winning the game.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yes, So that's you know, that's one of those things.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
But there's a big difference between to get back to
it the psychology of being one and three verses two
and two. You it's it's one game, and it's still
a world of difference. Uh, And so that's why I'm
glad that, you know, I'm glad that the Broncos took
care of business against the Bengals short week, early game
against Philly.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Vic Fangio. That's gonna be tough, man, that is, that's
a tough ass.

Speaker 6 (25:27):
Well, you know what, the opponent is a tough ass.

Speaker 5 (25:30):
But you know, making a trip to the East coast
and you know, playing in Philly where I don't know
if you've ever been to Philly for a game, it.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Is, it's a different environment, is to say, at least
a good way to put it.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
The only time I've ever had a battery thrown at me,
that's where they threw snowballs.

Speaker 6 (25:49):
Yeah, exactly so.

Speaker 5 (25:51):
And it's funny because they call it the City of
Brotherly Love, and it's just like, well ironic, Uh was
my brotherly love that way? And I would have to
say the kid, Yeah, it the city of irony, it is.
And for the Broncos to go in there, man, if
they're able to pull this off, I haven't seen the
numbers to see where they are as far as being

(26:12):
an underdog. But if they are able to pull this off,
it would only kind of, you know, provide a jolt
of energy for this team because now you look back
at the Coast game, you look at the Charges game
and say, okay, well, these were games that the Broncos
could have and should have won that they didn't. And
you go to Philly on the road, tough crowd, tough environment,

(26:33):
and you were able to beat Philadelphia, which to me,
it's going to be a tall task. But now a
lot of pressure, believe it or not, isn't on Sean
Payton and both Knicks. To me, it's on as that
it's always been over the past two years on vance
Joseph been a defense.

Speaker 6 (26:51):
Can they keep this upward trajectory.

Speaker 5 (26:55):
I mean, Nick Benito was sitting at I believe four
and a half SATs right now. They're gonna need both
him and Johnny Cooper to have outstanding games against that
Eagles defense if the Broncos are to win that game.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah, I mean, it's gonna be It's.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
A tough, a tough ask just just in general, and
that that offense hasn't looked right for Philadelphia this year.
I'm not a big fan of Kevin Patula. It's a
guy's kind of failed upward throughout his throughout his career.
I'm not his biggest fan, but that offense has not
looked right this year. And they're still finding ways to
win games. There's still four and oh, they're still finding
ways to win.

Speaker 6 (27:28):
For thelphing though, they're finding ways to win. Is that?
Is that not any sport? Right?

Speaker 5 (27:35):
You find a way to win the game. Things may
be close, but then you find a way in that
that particular moment, that fourth quarter, that third quarter to
kind of separate yourself.

Speaker 6 (27:45):
And sometimes the way.

Speaker 5 (27:46):
That they're winning is the same way that the Broncos
have won over the past couple of years, leaning on
their defense.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
You play to win the game.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Browns bench Joe Flacco going Dylan Gabriel in the second
of their or in their overseas game here.

Speaker 5 (28:06):
Could the Browns have not seen that coming?

Speaker 6 (28:09):
Did they not see that?

Speaker 5 (28:11):
Are they just kind of that oblivious in a situation
thinking that an ageless wonder because he took them to
the playoffs and they lost against the Houston Texans the
year before that. Somehow the veteran right, that old spot
was just going to create a flame for them is not.

Speaker 6 (28:29):
What they thought.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
I don't know what they thought about any of it,
but I will say that Joe Flacco has not been
what's the word I'm looking for here good so far
this year. He does not have a passing touchdown through
what is it three four games, now, has two interceptions,
completing forty seven percent of his passes.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
It has not been a auspicious start.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
And auspicious start for Flaco.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
He didn't even touchdown last week, I should say.

Speaker 5 (29:02):
But once again, this speaks volumes to the Cleveland Browns
organization that for some reason in your mind, you thought
having Joe Flacco what kind of tilt the skills in
your direction.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
He has two touchdowns on the season, I should say, sorry,
six interceptions and yeah, I'm letting fifty eight.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Percent of his passes not very good. His passer rating
is sixty point three, which I believe is lowest amongst
qualified quarterbacks. I'd have to go back and look with
cam Ward's lower.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Nope, cam Ward's is sixty three point nine, So he
has the lowest passer rating among qualified quarterbacks to include
Jake Browning, his rival there across the state, and we've
all seen how bad Jake Brang was, so they're gonna
go with Dylan Gabriel And I don't know, did you
guys see this stuff with Shador pantomiming the answers or whatever.

Speaker 6 (29:51):
Ask that was great? In my opinion, it was. It
was perfect.

Speaker 5 (29:57):
And I don't know if Shador was listening to Rex
Ryan because I know, well sudden, cut down, countdown. Rex
Ryan has some choice words, right being you know, a
throwback coach that young players should be seen and not.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Heard, sitting in the front row and learn something.

Speaker 5 (30:15):
Yes, And Shador decided you're gonna ask all the questions
you want to. I'm just going to answer them, but
you're not going to be able to hear it. And
this is how some in the media try to bait
you into saying something that they can use against you.
And I'm glad that he said something, but didn't really

(30:35):
say a whole hell of a lot. Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Don't know they still, by the way, have shidor listened?
Is the third quarterback on the death charge. Joe Flacco
moved to number two. He didn't go all the way
back to number.

Speaker 8 (30:46):
Three after this. Is that saying anything about what they
say last for me, like, I mean, come on, man,
he moved Joe Flacco. Why do you not move Shador
Sanders up?

Speaker 5 (30:57):
Well?

Speaker 6 (30:57):
Why not? I think in my opinion you think do
you think this means something?

Speaker 2 (31:02):
In I learned opinion?

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Okay, I will say I think the coaching staff there
had their favorite the entire time, and perhaps the quarterback,
the other quarterback was not necessarily somebody the coaching staff
wanted so much as the front office drafted.

Speaker 6 (31:18):
So you say the other guy, the other guy meaning Shador.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
I'm saying the coaching staff wanted Dylan Gabriel.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
That was their guy, and they've been pretty obvious about
that throughout the process.

Speaker 6 (31:31):
He has them wanted.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
I think Andrew Barry and some of the scouts went
ahead and drafted Shador in the fifth round, and the
coaching staff was not necessarily as on board with that.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Guy was Dylan Gabriel.

Speaker 5 (31:45):
Okay, sometimes that happened. I mean remember the whole situation
with RG three and Kirk Cousins. You know, Dave Snyder
wanted RG three, but Mike Shanahan wanted Kirk Cousins, right,
So they both of those quarterbacks on the roster, and
you had to figure at some point it would be
a tug of war. Think about when Vince Young came

(32:09):
out right the then owner of the Tennessee Titans that
that's what he wanted.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yeah, the owner wanted Vince Young, the head coach wanted
Jake Cutler, and the offensive coordinator wanted whatever the USC
court royal quarterback was then.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yeah, yes it was Norm Chow who had coached him
at USC, thank you.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Jeff Fisher, who was the head coach, wanted Jay Cutler,
and the owner waned Vince Young, so they wouldn't have
a chance.

Speaker 5 (32:31):
So once again, in that scenario, who wins the owner
exactly brought this country night back after this