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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I want to get into a little bit of this
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because Tony Gonzalez and I believe is Richard Sherman, and
you pointed this out yesterday. I had a conversation where
they were talking about the possibility of Russell Wilson playing
himself out of the Hall of Fame, which to me
is ridiculous. I don't understand how somebody could play themselves
out of the Hall of Fame. Not to mention, if
you look at at Russell Wilson's accomplishments over the course
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of his career, I mean to me, it seems like
a first ballot Hall of Fame lock.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
He's top fifteen and you know, an.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
NFL passing that's without the rushing yardage on top of it.
You know, he's talk about a guy who's been to
you know, has been to multiple Super Bowls.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Winning one, ten Pro Bowls, ten Pro Bowls.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
You know, there's there's I couldn't picture a scenario in
which you wouldn't put him in the.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Hall of Fame. And then to say that playing himself
out of the Hall of Fame. He played really well
last year. He did he was he was one of.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
The people I can't remember where he finished, but he
was in the Comeback Player of the Year conversation. I
don't don't necessarily understand the idea that that somebody that
Russell Wilson would have played himself out of the Hall
of Fame, but would played particularly well in the in
the offense that they were running this year with you know,
you know up there in New York. But I mean
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he looked.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Okay in Pittsburgh last year.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
You know, Russ, he was what completed sixty four percent
of his pass He threw sixteen touchdowns to five picks
in only eleven games.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I mean, I I don't know, I was that was
fairly decent.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
If he finished, uh, he finished in the top ten
Comeback Player of the Year voting.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Is this a sense of being a creature of habit?
And what I mean by that is that, you know,
we know in this business people love to to pile
on and we know that it's a you know what
you what have you done for me lately?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Type league?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
And when you look at what just happened with the
Giants for me, I never thought Russ was set up
for success going to the Giants, and then you know,
Tony went on to have a conversation about you know,
what Russell's career was like here with the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
And there's a lot that goes into that.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
There's a lot of meat on that bone that Tony
didn't really get into. But to insinuate that what's happening
on the tail end of a player's career somehow should
and will impact that guy's legacy and getting into the Hall,
to me, it's utterly.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Ridiculous because when you look at.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
You know, Peyton Manning's last year, right, it wasn't a
superior Peyton Manning as though we come to know him.
It was table last year because he was dealing with
injuries right.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
His neck, in his hand. But then we look at
Eli Manning and his last couple of years.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Usually this is what happens to a lot of players
as you started to wind down in your career, Your
years after your elite years look a lot different. So
do we totally omit everything that happened before that?
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Is that how we look at the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
I mean, you know, the winning percentage was a lot
higher in Seattle. He's not winning as many games. In fact,
he is a losing record in his post Seattle tenure.
When he was in Seattle, he was one hundred and
four fifty three and one as a starter. Post Seattle,
he's seventeen and twenty seven as a starter.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
So the winning record hasn't been there.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
But I mean, you talk about a guy who's it's
funny to me how people talk about he's threw sixty
one touchdowns to twenty seven interceptions in the combination of
Denver Pittsburgh in three games with the Giants. But why
do you think the sixty one touchdowns, the twenty seven picks,
that's a.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Good number, that's right.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Though, Why do you think the hate of venom, the
vitriol is what it is when it comes to Russell
Wilson Because I think that there were a couple of
coaches that tried to make him something he wasn't there
at the end, or maybe it was Russ trying to
make him something self something that he wasn't.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
There at the end. We saw what he was capable of.
I mean when him and you know, the Hacket thing
was terrible. I mean it was just terrible across the board.
But you look at the Sean Payton thing and Russ
was terrible for three quarters trying to run what Sean
wanted to run, and then you turn around and put
let him do what he does in the fourth quarter.
Russell Wilson led the league in fourth quarter comebacks and
game winning drives that year he let the NFL and
fourth quarter comebacks and the game winning drive, So obviously
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he was effective at doing something. The thing that about
Russell Wilson, I think that that most people fail to
understand is that Russell Wilson was extremely good and a
very narrow set of things, like incredibly good, elite at
doing a very narrow set of things. And as long
as you did those things, you were gotta be good,
and you're gonna live by a doma.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah you were gonna take some sacks. Yeah, you're going
to be some third and lungs.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
But also, and at that point, he still had the
athleticism to bail himself out of those kinds of situations
by time with his legs and get receivers going north
and make big plays that counteracted some of that stuff.
As time has worn on and the athleticism has dropped
off a little bit, he hasn't been quite as successful at.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Being able to do that, And I think it's a.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Combination of Russ's personality with the you know a little
bit of the decline in production, and you didn't win
games here, you know, the Broncos paid a lot, they
traded a lot, paid a lot, and didn't win games.
He wound up what eleven and nineteen is a Bronco
all total is?
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Do you feel and it's not just Russell but most quarterbacks?
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Is it all on those quarterbacks for not elevating those
teams in those organizations as some.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Would have us to think. I mean, some of it
is on the quarterback. You have to take your fair share,
but not everything was. It wasn't old Russell Wilson. I
mean that first year, that date, Hacket year four to eleven.
I mean that was everything that was. That wasn't just ross.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
That was.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
That was they hired the wrong coach and that coach
had no clue what he was doing, and we saw
what happened. They miraculously won four games. I don't think
Hackett won. I think Hackett won three of them or whatever.
But you know, I mean they had to bring in
a guy out of retirement who was selling hyper Barrick
Chambers to manage the clock because the head coach couldn't
even get to play in it. Yeah, remember that, you know,
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I mean it was everything was past. Sean Payton comes
in and Russo seven and eight. You know, with Sean Payton,
and if Sean probably would have let us do what
Russ does instead of running the Sean Payton offense, they
probably would have won some more games.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah. That game that out stick to stick out to
me was that game against the Newland Patriots.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
That the Broncos win, that game, they get into the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, and and instead they look like they had no
game plan whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
And I've talked to people behind the scenes.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
What about that game management at the.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Game management there at the end where where Sean Bayton
the biggest brain fart of all the time. I think
Sean Payton And to this day, I you know, there
are people around the league and around that team that
still believe that Sean Payton saw his opportunity to get
rid of d Russell Wilson at that point, was was
with Tank that game to get you know, to be
able to bench Russ and move on.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
And you know, I can't prove it. It's a you know,
it's one of those conspiracy things. But there are people
around that team and in that building to believe to
this day that that's sort of what was happening.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
The Russ was never Seawn's guy.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Uh, it was never gonna be you know, after that year,
he was gonna be gone and they just needed to
wait and he was started winning football games and they
needed a way to get rid of him.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Do you feel do you feel that Russ after he retires?
Speaker 3 (06:55):
I believe it's five years before your elgie before the
Pro Football Hall of Fame is Russell Wilson a first
balltlet of Hall of Famer should be?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
It should be.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
There may be enough people that he's rubbed the wrong
way over the years with sort of hit like.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
What you mean, what is it you like? Getting in
the Hall of Fame? Is cozy up to the media.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
It's very it's really political.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
But should that be the case where it should not
down trying to invoke their revenge on players.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
But they do it.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Look at TiO, look at that situation. See that that
right there? Man, I'm still pissed off at that. And
I mean I like t O and I love playing
against him as a player, and regardless of what you
thought of him, with his antics or whatever.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
The only thing that should matter is statistical data.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Should it not not your personal opinion how you feel
about the player and this beat writer not liking him,
so you don't like him because that's your dude. It
should not be that way. So that's why when Tony
Gonzalez said what he said, I was just like, man,
that makes absolutely no sense, especially coming from a Hall
of famer. People would think that because you're a Hall
of famer talking about another guy who could particition to
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go into the Hall and say what you said on
live TV. And then when Sherm, you know, doubled down
and said, well, Seattle doesn't win those games without the
leason to boom, and I'm like, wait a minute, this
is a team game.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Let's talk full circle.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, I believe what Richard Sherman said in the sense
that I don't think the heat russ would have gotten
as far as they did without that defense. I mean,
that defense was very good and until somebody just figured out,
oh yeah, you gotta run switch verticals on these guys,
and it was the defense to jure in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, but then that means that if you're just saying
it was all the leason to Boom. You're forgetting about
all the work that Marshall Lynch put in.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
It well, right, and that's what I'm getting at it,
Like it's not they it was all of it. You
had Russell Wilson and his elite ability to make big
plays in the clutch when it counted, right, because it wasn't.
That wasn't the first time when he was in Denver,
when the first time he led the league in fourth
quarter comebacks and game winning drives.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
He did that in twenty nineteen as well. So Russ
obviously had that clutch gene.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
And if you go back and look, he was always
in the top guys in fourth quarter comebacks, in game
when drives. Uh, he always had that clutch gen He
knew how to make big plays and they won double
digit games for what was it nine out of the
ten years he was there, or eight out of the
ten years he was.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
There or something like that.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
There.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
I mean, you know, you could, if you're the legion
of Boom, you can take some credit for that.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
You could take a share of the pie, but you
don't get the whole pie. You had Marshau Lynch there,
you had Russell Wilson, Pete Carroll coaching the team. You know,
Dan Quinn was there as the DC for a large
portion of it.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Uh, you had you had a number of great coordinators
there that went on to to get up.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
It's just like the conversation, will is Eli Manning a
Hall of Famer And answer to that question is yes
he is.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Yeah, right, so I think.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Phil Rivers is and Phil Rivers didn't get a Super Bowl, right,
you know Russ got a Super Bowl and another of
Super Bowl appearance, right.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
So so to me, it just bugs the crap out
of me when individuals started comparing these quarterbacks and then
just trying to drop them down and just kind of
dismiss you know, what they've done. Like if you want
to look at Eli, Eli had a great year, but
Eli had some years where he threw a lot of touchdowns,
but he equally threw a lot of interceptions as well.
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And then you look at how he closed out his career.
But he beat Tom Brady not once but twice with
two amazing throws right, one to Mario Manningham and the
other one went to what's the guy David Tyree.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
But then also you.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Had Justin Tucker who was on that defense and you
had Michael Strahan, right, Antonio Pierce was on those defensive units.
So to me, it's like, in order to uplift one guy,
we don't have to tear another guy down. But Russ
deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. Eli Manning
deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. You know
who else deserves to be in the Hall of Fame?
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Rod Smith?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, I mean there's people like that.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
There's a couple of guys I think I would have
in before Rod, Like we got you, Henry ellerd in there.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
How he's not in there is mind blowing.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
But Rodd should be right after Henry Henry Ellard retired
as the second leading receiver in the league and can't
sniff the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
And I still don't understand that.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Well, the reason that that takes place because when you
get guys who are voting, look at that the age
group of some of the guys who are voted, Yeah, right,
they didn't really see Harry Eller actually play, right, So
they are I don't need gen Z, Millennias, whatever you
want to call them. So they're looking at the stats
of the guys that they grew up and they saw.
But I grew up watching Harry Eller play and he
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was a dog of a wide receiver, so he.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Should be in. And I hate when we have.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
These situations when we look at the Pro Football Hall
of Fame, a guy passed, right, he's no longer there
to really embrace him and celebrate what he did in
his career. Now his wife is up there, you know,
indocunating him into ken.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
I don't think that's right.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yeah, that's you know, what's the point if we're not
getting these guys in before they passed away. Russell Wilson,
by the way, fifteenth old time in passing yardage, that
doesn't include the rushing yardage. He was a couple of
yards away, literally, like eighty yards away from passing. Fran
targeted a move into fourteenth place target and of course
already the Hall of Fame, you know, before he got
bench eighty yards away from that, you know, to put
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that in perspective, I mean, if for Russ had played
this year and.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Maybe one more, he might have caught Elway.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
There was no way he was catching Eli Eli at
eleventh all time at fifty seven thousand yards and Russ
at forty six us probably wouldn't catch an Eli before
before it all went south, but he could have caught
you know, Fran obviously probably could have caught Warren.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Moon and John Elway or the other two guys in
front of them.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Now I say that Eli Manning eleventh all time fifty
seven thousand passing yards, Phil Rivers absolutely blows him out
of the water. Phil Rivers' seventh all time was sixty three,
four hundred and forty yards. There are six guys with
more passing yards all time than Phil Rivers. That's Tom Brady,
Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Brent Farr, Ben Roethlisberger, and Aaron Rodgers,
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every one of them.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Dudes. The whole thing.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
You know what was crazy about that list?
Speaker 3 (12:42):
I think, with exception of maybe three that you just named,
I played against all That's.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
Just sad you could play it against Like I'm not
sure did you play against farv Yes on the back
end of his career.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Okay, all right, he was he was still with the Packers.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
But yeah, man, extraordinary guys and Philip Rivers should be
in the Hall of Fame, and he's gonna he's gonna
be that that Dan Fouts type of guy, Dan Founce,
Air Courriel all through for all those yards, but Jess
wasn't able to win the ship.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
How disappointing is that? Though?
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yeah, I mean that's one of those things where you
look at that and uh and you just I mean,
Russell Wilson is twelfth all time, by the way in
passing touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Twelfth all time in passing touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Russell Wilson has fifty three more passing touchdowns than John
Elway had.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
For his career.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Fifty three more passing touchdown. That's that's that's insane. So
once again perspective, Yeah, it wasn'tgain. It makes what Tony
Gonzalez said to the ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I mean, with all due respect, And you could be
disappointed in what Russ did not accomplish here at Denver.
You could be disappointed anything stupid like that. Though I'm
saying you that's a valid emotion. You could be disappointed
he didn't live up. I was disappointed. I was rooting
for us to get you. I was ecstatic when we
got it. I was, well, I can't I don't want
to talk about all that on the air, but you
know what I mean, like that, it was I had
a rooting interest there. I you know a lot of scenes,
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so like it's you know, like I was super stoked
and it didn't work out. But just because it didn't work.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Out here and he when he was with the.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Pittsburgh Steelers they they lost in the playoffs, does that
necessarily mean that it's somehow alleviates everything that he's done
up to that point.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Oh, I didn't see. That's the other part of the
way Russ might have done. Who knows how far they would.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Have gone to Pat Fryar move hangs on to that
slant that Russ perfectly through.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
To him dur in the season, Pat Fryar moved.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
One Russell Wilson's fault. Pat Fryar couldn't catch. Let's see
Russ said that though he was, he wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
He wouldn't. He would never say it, even though those
covering would like for him to say that, because then
if he did say say that, it would go off
brand and then an individuals a RiPP him apart, right right.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I think the only players that are ahead of Russell
Wilson in touchdowns that are not in the Hall of
Fame are Eli, which he's isn't Eli's not in yet, No,
he's not Eli. Matt Ryan and Phil Rivers those the
only those, the only players ahead of Russell Wilson in
passing touchas that are not in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
And Matt Staffordaron Rodgers will be. They're they're both active.
Matt Ryan gonna be in the Hall of Fame. Should be.
Should be. Honestly, twenty eight three is gonna cost him,
but he should be.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Part of the reason I think Matt Ryan's doing media
right now, yes, is because he wants to be in.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
The Hall of Fame. Well, you know what here is.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
But when Kurt Water was kind of pushing to making
this campaign to get in the Hall, Kurt, you know,
obviously been in the media. That helps you out. But
Kurt would never really say anything that would be.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Remotely perceived as negative.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
As negative because he wanted to get into the Hall.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
And that's I mean, and that's that's some of the
things we'll see. We had anfl six pack we come back.
Shout out to Stacy from Utah. I's been texting in tonight,
said I have a really strong feeling of bron was
about to go on a run. Hopefully we start getting
some guys back healthy, and we can start a run
all the way to the playoffs. Any updates on green
Law or Sanders, Nope, no current updates on green Law
or Sanders.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Green Laws a couple of weeks out. Sanders probably a
couple of weeks out. So let's get to the NFL
six back. It's time for the NFL six pad.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
I'm gonna trade the last year insight and insight information
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Speaker 2 (16:28):
No. Six the top six NFL headlines.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
What After Sunday's win over the Buccaneers, Eagles wide receiver A. J.
Brown posted a tweet suggesting he's not happy in Philadelphia,
saying quote, if you're not welcomed, now listen to quietly withdraw,
don't make a scene, shrug your shoulders, and be on
your way. The ressage was reportedly directed to one or
more members of the organization meeting with reporters today. However,
Brown took responsibility for the tweet, also disputed that he
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was sending a message while confirming his frustrations over a
lack of involvement in the offense, all in a fewer
than five minutes. The video exchange's posted by Elliott Shore
parks of ninety four WIP can.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Be seen and heard on his Twitter, Brown says, quote, First.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Off, I want to start by saying, obviously, Sunday after
the game, I let my frustrations boil over and speak
to the media, had a chance to correct my frustrations,
and I continue to let.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
It boil over.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
That's on me, you know, I take full accountability on that.
And even though Brown took responsibility.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
He disputed the obvious messages since he said, quote.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
My message on Twitter wasn't directed at anyone in the building,
not my coach, is not my quarterback, my GM, nobody.
He said he has open communication with everybody, calls frustration normal,
and specifically contradicted the portion of the tweet which suggested
he's not.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Being listened to. Do we think that AJ Brown is?
And how can I put this lying which he says
that that tweet.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Was not directed at anybody, even though he said it
was directed and then said it wasn't.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
But I can understand his frustration as to whide receivers.
Those guys get paid to kess the ball and receivers
like all.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Players in the league. We talked, We talked to one another.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
We talked about one another, and when you are not
part of what your team is doing, that becomes really frustrated.
I mean it's like being a runner back and your
coach not giving you enough carries. I mean you're gonna
be You're gonna be frustrated. But not everyone's AJ Brown
where he feels though you've got enough money to speak out?
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Was that directed at someone in particular? Nick?
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Or what are you doing now? What I just said?
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Then?
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Oh, I'm just speaking in general. Right, we can talk
about any position. Right, if someone is holding you back,
and you know that.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Your team is struggling, they're on the verge of losing,
even though the Eagles are four and oh and you
know you can help them.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
You can be frustrated, are you not?
Speaker 3 (18:38):
So? A? J.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Brown has a history though of well, I mean tweeting
his displeasure.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Philadelphia receivers have a history.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
That fair, But don't you think that shows maybe a
tiny bit of growth on AJ Brown's part to kind
of issue an apology.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Absolutely, but now you have to wonder did anyone in
the organization put them in aside and whisper in his ear?
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Maybe they could get some growth in that offense where
they can get him the ball two. The Bengals have
scored thirteen points with Jake Browning at quarterback last week,
and that's led some to wonder if they might be
looking at other options to run the offense while Joe
Burrow's out of action. That goach, Zach Taylor said on
Wednesday's not in that camp. Rowning is thirty three of
fifty two for two hundred and sixty five yards a touchdown,
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at two interceptions and back to back losses. Taylor said
the team is committed to him as their starting quarterbacks,
said quote, I've got a ton of confidence in Jake.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I'm on waiveringing that I've seen the best of Jake.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
I know that we can do a great job supporting
him where he can go win games for us.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
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Speaker 1 (19:36):
Browning had more successfully in for Burrow during the twenty
twenty three season, but Taylor said the offensive struggles aren't
on any one player. That it's on the head coach to
get ourselves in a better position to succeed Week five
and be odd. But you'd expect a coach to say
in this situation, but it's also something that Bengals have
to be willing to visit. Their matchups with the Lions
and the Packers the next two weeks don't go any
better than the Browning's first two out and should the
Cincinnati Bengals be looking elsewhere for quarterbacks?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Grant, I'll come to the you first on this one.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
I'm ready to submit to eat some dubs with the
Society Bengal.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
So you're a James.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Like, I'm just praying for the Lord to deliver me
from pick sixes.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
Hey and Jamar Chase on both my fantasy teams at
least will get some points.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
I pray to the Lord deliver them a new quarterback.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Wait a minute, be careful what you wish for, right
because you may want to go Jamis and it may
not cause you much as far as what you've given up.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
But knowing your Bengals and how cheap they are.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Not cost effective cheap they are, and you've given money
to three players quarterback, two wide receivers, you need all
the draft capital you can you can take, so you
may have to just suffer through this.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Well, first off, you got a draft a little better.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Well, say you got the draft capitol and they said
they're still hard draft of the right guys to be
able to How much would Jamis.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Was the next to change things? Oh? Not really enough.
I mean it'd be more fun. The offensive line is
so bad. It would be way more fun, though, and
you need those draft picks. Were through it.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Sacrifice Dave Brownie because it's not Joe Burrow, and you
just work your.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Way through it.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
You know who's played who could throw a great de ball.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
He's played behind some crap offensive lines over the years.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Another guy in New York, Russell Wilson, just throwing it
out there.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
Hey, I do love Russ as a person, but I
don't think it gets any better with Russ in Cincinnati
than it is with Jake Browning.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Right now, Bengals Country, let's roar, Why did you say?
Coach gen o'cyle told.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Reporters a couple of days ago that hope is day
to McCarthy would be able to get back on the
field for practice this week, but that did not happen.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Today.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
McCarthy's officially listed as a non participant on Minnesota's first
injury report of the week, as the club practices in
England in preparation for Sunday's matchup with the Browns London
that puts Carson Wentzy in the line to start a
quarterback once again, and Wednesday presser O'Connell said that McCarthy
is continuing his work on his way back, that he's
entering the next phase of his rehab where it can
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be a little bit more active. Looking forward to getting
back on the field practicing with the team as soon
as we can. McCarthy completed fifty eight point five percent
of his passes for three hundred one yards, two touchdowns
and three interceptions in two games this season. Twenty one
day practice window opened up for linebacker Tyler Bady and
full back CJ.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Ham.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Those guys were full practices, as was running back save
Or Scott. Christian Darasaw did not participate for Rest Andrew
van Ginkel and Ryan Kelly out for neck and concussion
today as well.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
In Minnesota Vikings, do they need to get J. J.
McCarthy backer? They fine with Carson Wentz out there.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
No, you want to get McCarthy back, but not at
the expense of rushing him back. And I mean Carson
Wentz has proven to be a serviceable quarterback. I mean,
look at the game against the Pittsburgh Seris. I mean
they didn't win the game, but I mean he looked
sort of like Vinige Carson Wentz, if you want to
look at it that way. So this is why you
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have a veteran quarterback. I just think, you know, there
have been other quarterbacks like Sam Donald who's benefited from
being in that Minnesota Vikings organization. So this could be
something that benefit That's right, Daniel Jones as well, benefits
well for a guy like Carson Wentz.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
That was the last memory of Sam Darnolt with the
matho dot.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
I love that highlights He's on to horrowed Man.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
Four oh veteran corners Avian Howard, who joined the.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Colts in the middle of August, has retired from football
today on the first day of October.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Howard provided a statement.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Regarding his decision Omar Kelly of the Miami Harold saying,
throughout my career, I've always played football for love the sport.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Purpose has been fulfilled in this sport. My kids are
more important to me than football. Of that hell of
a career, and even though it's ending in an unique way,
I'm cool with that. Just for once to put my
family first. I'm proud and excited about that decision. Howard
started all four games for the Colts, had a rough.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Outing on Sunday against the Rams that walks away from
the balance. Sevy one year, one point twenty five to
five million dollar contract.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Thirteen year old Howards second round picked by the Dolphins.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Back in twenty sixteen, played for Miami through twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Was released by the Dolphins in twenty twenty four. It
didn't play last year. Howards, a four time Pro bowler,
one time All Pro, one time second team All Pro,
finished third and Depensive Player of the Year voting back
in twenty twenty. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
He says that he's doing this for his kids, but
the way he got sunned by the Rams this past week,
he might have been the one that was I don't know,
Like he got out there after four games like I
don't have it anymore. I mean respecting him for like
recognizing you didn't have anymore. But you really have to couch.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
That is like I'm gonna go spend some time with
my kids.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
Well, you know what.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
You have to look at that and give a lot
of credit to a player who's realizing that Hey, the
game is somewhat passed and by he doesn't have the
footspeed that you want to play the corner position. And
you go back to the game against the Broncos. Think
he had two or three penalties in that game. So
you know, real, recognize real that sometimes you have to
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look in the mirror of life and say, you know what,
I still got it.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
And with respect to him, you know, like it's not
the way you want to go out, but at least
you're still going out on your terms. There's a lot
of those players in the NFL don't get that opportunity.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
No, you know, you do nothing him.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yeah, I mean there's guys out there right now that
want to be playing can't find a team to give
him fives. Today, Brown's third string quarterback Stor Sanders made
the unusual and possibly unprecedented decision to conduct a press
conference as a mime. Uh the reason for his decision
via Adam Scheffer, that quote schudre Sanders pantomiming today was
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in response to Rex Ryan criticizing him earlier this week.
Chapter attribute the assertion to no particular source named or unnamed.
Ryan said, quote, something's missing with this kid. This was
on Monday.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
This kid talks, he runs his mouth like he's got
a I could be a starting quarterback with his arms crossed.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Get your ass in the front row and study and
do all that.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
If I know the whole league knows, quit being an
embarrassment that way you get the talent to be quarterback,
you should be embarrassed you're not the quarterback right now.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Frankly, Sanders shouldn't care anything about Ryan or anyone else
on the.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Outside, says, But people who see Sanders media in or
won't know why he did what he did. They'll see
it in the regards as a creative effort to manufacture
a headline on a day that saw teammate Dylan Gabriel
elevate to the starting position. What do we think about
Shador going in mime? In response to Rex Ryan saying
he should say less.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
I thought it was great by him because he was
answering the question by not answering the question and also
taking into criticism coming for Rex Ryan and other people.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
And when you think about Shador.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Sanders, is there a more scrutinized guy right now in
pro football other than him? It's like you damn if
you do you damn if you don't, they come to you,
They ask you a question, and they coming to you
for the sole purpose knowing as though Dylan Gaber was
just named the starting quarterback, thinking that they can get
a SoundBite out of you, so now they can get
a whole bunch of you know, follows and retweets.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
But he gives them absolutely nothing and they still criticize it.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
I thought Ryan made a good point on koa Sports earlier.
He's like, I'm not going up to Sam ellen Are
in the locker room and ask him to critique Boeixt's performance.
I mean, you know who what other third string quarterback
is getting questions so well?
Speaker 1 (27:07):
But I mean that's the problem with you know, when
you've got somebody that's a that's a personality, when you've
got a shot or standards, you got a Tim Tebow,
your backup quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Are going to get questions like that.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Good on Shador for finding a creative way of balancing.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Now, I don't think you should listen to Rex Rye
to begin with.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
But good on him for finding a creative way to
sort of ride that line, even.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Though people are going to use that to bang the
drum and get the clicks.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Well, all the all Shador was trying to do is
ten toes down. That's it.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah, I was waiting on it. I was like, no,
I'm blowing right past that one. I don't I don't
want to put my foot in my mouth. Although Rex might.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Nor strapped in offensive tackle Kelvin Banks Junior with the.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Ninth overall pick, wait until the second round.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Take quarterbacks Tyler Shuck with the fortieth overall pick, Giants
select to Jackson Dart twenty fifth overall.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Dark made his first start with the Giants.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Has passed Sunday twenty one, eighteen upset of the Chargers
all Shuck has only seen three snaps and mop up dude.
Giants play the Saints on Sunday, and Dart admits he
hasn't forgotten the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Need Saints passed on him, which the Giants passed on
Dart two. Taking abdel Carter with a third over a pick, Dart.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Said quote, there's always a chip on your shoulder and
it's something like that happens. But I'm just gonna go
out there and play as hard as i can. The
Saints did show interested Dart, who had multiple visits with
the team in the pre draft process and had Dart
believing he might wind up in New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
He said, quote, yeah, I felt like my visit with
him was really good.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
You kind of have thoughts in your head about what
options are realistic, and I felt like that was a
place that could have paid out.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
But things didn't work out that way.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Dart ended up where he needed to be, where he
wanted to be, saying, quote, I love it here. It's
not a place I'd rather be. I love just how
passionate people are outside and inside the facility, like the
attitude East Coasters have.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
It's a lot of fun. I love it.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
What do we think about Jackson Dart get the start
against the team that passed on him in the New
Orleans Saints that had a lot of interest in Jackson Dart.
Matter of fact, I'm gonna tell you if he would
have been there in the second round, he would have.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Been a Saint.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
I liked it is because as a player, if you
play long enough, you're want to come across individuals who
have looked over you, and you get a chance to
really stick it to them when you really talk about
making choke on their words. That's kind of the idea.
And I've been through this in my in my entire career,
where you have people who doubts you, I mean, the
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best way to overcome that, guys is to be totally honest,
is to have success. Right, use that negativity as few
and we'll see Jackson Dart and Brian Dabel, who try
is trying to save his job in Joe Shane's job.
We're going to see a lot of design quarterback runs
for Jackson Dart, and.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
I will say Dart's get a little bit of a
hammy issue stemming off that game.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
You got to balance Wait a minute, grant, So if
Dark who was showing signs of a hamstring injury against
the Chargers for some reason, cannot finish.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
The game, that means what.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Jameis Winston wi.
Speaker 6 (30:01):
But speaking of doubt as another New York Giant, can
we all admit that we were wrong about cam'scattibo like.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
He was, we were not wrong.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
The pre draft process said this guy is not an
NFL running back. Running back? Well, yeah, okay, let me
let me do that. I did not that, not exactly.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
I said that I think that he's going to have
a very short shelf life in the NFL because of
the way that he runs true and that that that
still may because he seeks out contact.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
He's got to remember Mary Barber, Peyton Hill is.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Guys that sought out contact, they'll have like a they'll
have a blow up year, They'll have a blow up here,
and then you can't replicate that because you put the
body through that many car crash you'll seeking out contact.
You're gonna wear the body down real fast. It's the
reason that samaj p Ryan's career has been up. But
he's a guy who seeks contact out well.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
As a guy who played the safety position. I know
a lot about this right as far as seeking out contact,
and that was the one thing I love about Cam's
catib that he's not going to turn it down.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
I wanted that tough man football.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
But you absolutely right, Ben, I mean playing the way
that he plays. He has a very short life, but
guess what, that life he's gonna live is gonna be
one hell of a life.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
I can't wait to see some more backflips this weekend
leading away.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Like Bobby Bouche, he's fun player to watch. Don't get
me wrong, I said the same thing about him. Be
called fun player to watch in college. Absolute blast to watch.
But he's a guy that seeks out contact and any
running back like that. In the end, it plays the
way that he plays man, And.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
As a fantasy owner and a person who loves the game,
you love that about a guy. Look at least you
can say that you don't have to try to turn
him up. You may have to, as a coach try
to tune him down, and still you might not be
able to do it. In the game against the Charges,
it was the same thing. The dude was out there
looking for guys to run over. So I like Campscudible,
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I like cams Capible.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I just again, I think you're probably looking at a
one contract player there who you know, we'll see.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Maybe I'm wrong on that, we'll see wrong before I'll
be wrong again.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Did you get that grant?
Speaker 2 (32:03):
One time? I thought it was wrong? Turned out of there.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Did you get that grant?
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Tell me you got that ball? I got it, So
let's cut your in that zone.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Quentin Johnston had dropped more balls than a Hernia Special lid.
I want to get into a little bit of this
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because Tony Gonzalez and I believe is Richard Sherman, and
you pointed this out yesterday. I had a conversation where
they were talking about the possibility of Russell Wilson playing
himself out of the Hall of Fame, which to me
is ridiculous. I don't understand how somebody could play themselves
out of the Hall of Fame. Not to mention, if
you look at at Russell Wilson's accomplishments over the course
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of his career, I mean to me, it seems like
a first ballot Hall of Fame lock.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
He's top fifteen and you know, an.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
NFL passing that's without the rushing yardage on top of it.
You know, he's talk about a guy who's been to
you know, has been to multiple Super Bowls.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Winning one, ten Pro Bowls, ten Pro Bowls.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
You know, there's there's I couldn't picture a scenario in
which you wouldn't put him in the.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Hall of Fame. And then to say that playing himself
out of the Hall of Fame. He played really well
last year. He did he was he was one of.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
The people I can't remember where he finished, but he
was in the Comeback Player of the Year conversation. I
don't don't necessarily understand the idea that that somebody that
Russell Wilson would have played himself out of the Hall
of Fame, but would played particularly well in the in
the offense that they were running this year with you know,
you know up there in New York. But I mean
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he looked.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Okay in Pittsburgh last year.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
You know, Russ, he was what completed sixty four percent
of his pass He threw sixteen touchdowns to five picks
in only eleven games.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I mean, I I don't know, I was that was
fairly decent.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
If he finished, uh, he finished in the top ten
Comeback Player of the Year voting.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Is this a sense of being a creature of habit?
And what I mean by that is that, you know,
we know in this business people love to to pile
on and we know that it's a you know what
you what have you done for me lately?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Type league?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
And when you look at what just happened with the
Giants for me, I never thought Russ was set up
for success going to the Giants, and then you know,
Tony went on to have a conversation about you know,
what Russell's career was like here with the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
And there's a lot that goes into that.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
There's a lot of meat on that bone that Tony
didn't really get into. But to insinuate that what's happening
on the tail end of a player's career somehow should
and will impact that guy's legacy and getting into the Hall,
to me, it's utterly.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Ridiculous because when you look at.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
You know, Peyton Manning's last year, right, it wasn't a
superior Peyton Manning as though we come to know him.
It was table last year because he was dealing with
injuries right.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
His neck, in his hand. But then we look at
Eli Manning and his last couple of years.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Usually this is what happens to a lot of players
as you started to wind down in your career, Your
years after your elite years look a lot different. So
do we totally omit everything that happened before that?
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Is that how we look at the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
I mean, you know, the winning percentage was a lot
higher in Seattle. He's not winning as many games. In fact,
he is a losing record in his post Seattle tenure.
When he was in Seattle, he was one hundred and
four fifty three and one as a starter. Post Seattle,
he's seventeen and twenty seven as a starter.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
So the winning record hasn't been there.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
But I mean, you talk about a guy who's it's
funny to me how people talk about he's threw sixty
one touchdowns to twenty seven interceptions in the combination of
Denver Pittsburgh in three games with the Giants. But why
do you think the sixty one touchdowns, the twenty seven picks,
that's a.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Good number, that's right.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Though, Why do you think the hate of venom, the
vitriol is what it is when it comes to Russell
Wilson Because I think that there were a couple of
coaches that tried to make him something he wasn't there
at the end, or maybe it was Russ trying to
make him something self something that he wasn't.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
There at the end. We saw what he was capable of.
I mean when him and you know, the Hacket thing
was terrible. I mean it was just terrible across the board.
But you look at the Sean Payton thing and Russ
was terrible for three quarters trying to run what Sean
wanted to run, and then you turn around and put
let him do what he does in the fourth quarter.
Russell Wilson led the league in fourth quarter comebacks and
game winning drives that year he let the NFL and
fourth quarter comebacks and the game winning drive, So obviously
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he was effective at doing something. The thing that about
Russell Wilson, I think that that most people fail to
understand is that Russell Wilson was extremely good and a
very narrow set of things, like incredibly good, elite at
doing a very narrow set of things. And as long
as you did those things, you were gotta be good,
and you're gonna live by a doma.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah you were gonna take some sacks. Yeah, you're going
to be some third and lungs.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
But also, and at that point, he still had the
athleticism to bail himself out of those kinds of situations
by time with his legs and get receivers going north
and make big plays that counteracted some of that stuff.
As time has worn on and the athleticism has dropped
off a little bit, he hasn't been quite as successful at.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Being able to do that, And I think it's a.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Combination of Russ's personality with the you know a little
bit of the decline in production, and you didn't win
games here, you know, the Broncos paid a lot, they
traded a lot, paid a lot, and didn't win games.
He wound up what eleven and nineteen is a Bronco
all total is?
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Do you feel and it's not just Russell but most quarterbacks?
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Is it all on those quarterbacks for not elevating those
teams in those organizations as some.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Would have us to think. I mean, some of it
is on the quarterback. You have to take your fair share,
but not everything was. It wasn't old Russell Wilson. I
mean that first year, that date, Hacket year four to eleven.
I mean that was everything that was. That wasn't just ross.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
That was.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
That was they hired the wrong coach and that coach
had no clue what he was doing, and we saw
what happened. They miraculously won four games. I don't think
Hackett won. I think Hackett won three of them or whatever.
But you know, I mean they had to bring in
a guy out of retirement who was selling hyper Barrick
Chambers to manage the clock because the head coach couldn't
even get to play in it. Yeah, remember that, you know,
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I mean it was everything was past. Sean Payton comes
in and Russo seven and eight. You know, with Sean Payton,
and if Sean probably would have let us do what
Russ does instead of running the Sean Payton offense, they
probably would have won some more games.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah. That game that out stick to stick out to
me was that game against the Newland Patriots.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
That the Broncos win, that game, they get into the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, and and instead they look like they had no
game plan whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
And I've talked to people behind the scenes.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
What about that game management at the.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Game management there at the end where where Sean Bayton
the biggest brain fart of all the time. I think
Sean Payton And to this day, I you know, there
are people around the league and around that team that
still believe that Sean Payton saw his opportunity to get
rid of d Russell Wilson at that point, was was
with Tank that game to get you know, to be
able to bench Russ and move on.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
And you know, I can't prove it. It's a you know,
it's one of those conspiracy things. But there are people
around that team and in that building to believe to
this day that that's sort of what was happening.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
The Russ was never Seawn's guy.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Uh, it was never gonna be you know, after that year,
he was gonna be gone and they just needed to
wait and he was started winning football games and they
needed a way to get rid of him.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Do you feel do you feel that Russ after he retires?
Speaker 3 (06:55):
I believe it's five years before your elgie before the
Pro Football Hall of Fame is Russell Wilson a first
balltlet of Hall of Famer should be?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
It should be.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
There may be enough people that he's rubbed the wrong
way over the years with sort of hit like.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
What you mean, what is it you like? Getting in
the Hall of Fame? Is cozy up to the media.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
It's very it's really political.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
But should that be the case where it should not
down trying to invoke their revenge on players.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
But they do it.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Look at TiO, look at that situation. See that that
right there? Man, I'm still pissed off at that. And
I mean I like t O and I love playing
against him as a player, and regardless of what you
thought of him, with his antics or whatever.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
The only thing that should matter is statistical data.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Should it not not your personal opinion how you feel
about the player and this beat writer not liking him,
so you don't like him because that's your dude. It
should not be that way. So that's why when Tony
Gonzalez said what he said, I was just like, man,
that makes absolutely no sense, especially coming from a Hall
of famer. People would think that because you're a Hall
of famer talking about another guy who could particition to
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go into the Hall and say what you said on
live TV. And then when Sherm, you know, doubled down
and said, well, Seattle doesn't win those games without the
leason to boom, and I'm like, wait a minute, this
is a team game.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Let's talk full circle.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, I believe what Richard Sherman said in the sense
that I don't think the heat russ would have gotten
as far as they did without that defense. I mean,
that defense was very good and until somebody just figured out,
oh yeah, you gotta run switch verticals on these guys,
and it was the defense to jure in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, but then that means that if you're just saying
it was all the leason to Boom. You're forgetting about
all the work that Marshall Lynch put in.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
It well, right, and that's what I'm getting at it,
Like it's not they it was all of it. You
had Russell Wilson and his elite ability to make big
plays in the clutch when it counted, right, because it wasn't.
That wasn't the first time when he was in Denver,
when the first time he led the league in fourth
quarter comebacks and game winning drives.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
He did that in twenty nineteen as well. So Russ
obviously had that clutch gene.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
And if you go back and look, he was always
in the top guys in fourth quarter comebacks, in game
when drives. Uh, he always had that clutch gen He
knew how to make big plays and they won double
digit games for what was it nine out of the
ten years he was there, or eight out of the
ten years he was.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
There or something like that.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
There.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
I mean, you know, you could, if you're the legion
of Boom, you can take some credit for that.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
You could take a share of the pie, but you
don't get the whole pie. You had Marshau Lynch there,
you had Russell Wilson, Pete Carroll coaching the team. You know,
Dan Quinn was there as the DC for a large
portion of it.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Uh, you had you had a number of great coordinators
there that went on to to get up.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
It's just like the conversation, will is Eli Manning a
Hall of Famer And answer to that question is yes
he is.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Yeah, right, so I think.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Phil Rivers is and Phil Rivers didn't get a Super Bowl, right,
you know Russ got a Super Bowl and another of
Super Bowl appearance, right.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
So so to me, it just bugs the crap out
of me when individuals started comparing these quarterbacks and then
just trying to drop them down and just kind of
dismiss you know, what they've done. Like if you want
to look at Eli, Eli had a great year, but
Eli had some years where he threw a lot of touchdowns,
but he equally threw a lot of interceptions as well.
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And then you look at how he closed out his career.
But he beat Tom Brady not once but twice with
two amazing throws right, one to Mario Manningham and the
other one went to what's the guy David Tyree.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
But then also you.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Had Justin Tucker who was on that defense and you
had Michael Strahan, right, Antonio Pierce was on those defensive units.
So to me, it's like, in order to uplift one guy,
we don't have to tear another guy down. But Russ
deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. Eli Manning
deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. You know
who else deserves to be in the Hall of Fame?
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Rod Smith?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, I mean there's people like that.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
There's a couple of guys I think I would have
in before Rod, Like we got you, Henry ellerd in there.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
How he's not in there is mind blowing.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
But Rodd should be right after Henry Henry Ellard retired
as the second leading receiver in the league and can't
sniff the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
And I still don't understand that.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Well, the reason that that takes place because when you
get guys who are voting, look at that the age
group of some of the guys who are voted, Yeah, right,
they didn't really see Harry Eller actually play, right, So
they are I don't need gen Z, Millennias, whatever you
want to call them. So they're looking at the stats
of the guys that they grew up and they saw.
But I grew up watching Harry Eller play and he
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was a dog of a wide receiver, so he.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Should be in. And I hate when we have.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
These situations when we look at the Pro Football Hall
of Fame, a guy passed, right, he's no longer there
to really embrace him and celebrate what he did in
his career. Now his wife is up there, you know,
indocunating him into ken.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
I don't think that's right.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yeah, that's you know, what's the point if we're not
getting these guys in before they passed away. Russell Wilson,
by the way, fifteenth old time in passing yardage, that
doesn't include the rushing yardage. He was a couple of
yards away, literally, like eighty yards away from passing. Fran
targeted a move into fourteenth place target and of course
already the Hall of Fame, you know, before he got
bench eighty yards away from that, you know, to put
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that in perspective, I mean, if for Russ had played
this year and.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Maybe one more, he might have caught Elway.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
There was no way he was catching Eli Eli at
eleventh all time at fifty seven thousand yards and Russ
at forty six us probably wouldn't catch an Eli before
before it all went south, but he could have caught
you know, Fran obviously probably could have caught Warren.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Moon and John Elway or the other two guys in
front of them.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Now I say that Eli Manning eleventh all time fifty
seven thousand passing yards, Phil Rivers absolutely blows him out
of the water. Phil Rivers' seventh all time was sixty three,
four hundred and forty yards. There are six guys with
more passing yards all time than Phil Rivers. That's Tom Brady,
Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Brent Farr, Ben Roethlisberger, and Aaron Rodgers,
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every one of them.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Dudes. The whole thing.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
You know what was crazy about that list?
Speaker 3 (12:42):
I think, with exception of maybe three that you just named,
I played against all That's.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
Just sad you could play it against Like I'm not
sure did you play against farv Yes on the back
end of his career.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Okay, all right, he was he was still with the Packers.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
But yeah, man, extraordinary guys and Philip Rivers should be
in the Hall of Fame, and he's gonna he's gonna
be that that Dan Fouts type of guy, Dan Founce,
Air Courriel all through for all those yards, but Jess
wasn't able to win the ship.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
How disappointing is that? Though?
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yeah, I mean that's one of those things where you
look at that and uh and you just I mean,
Russell Wilson is twelfth all time, by the way in
passing touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Twelfth all time in passing touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Russell Wilson has fifty three more passing touchdowns than John
Elway had.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
For his career.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Fifty three more passing touchdown. That's that's that's insane. So
once again perspective, Yeah, it wasn'tgain. It makes what Tony
Gonzalez said to the ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I mean, with all due respect, And you could be
disappointed in what Russ did not accomplish here at Denver.
You could be disappointed anything stupid like that. Though I'm
saying you that's a valid emotion. You could be disappointed
he didn't live up. I was disappointed. I was rooting
for us to get you. I was ecstatic when we
got it. I was, well, I can't I don't want
to talk about all that on the air, but you
know what I mean, like that, it was I had
a rooting interest there. I you know a lot of scenes,
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so like it's you know, like I was super stoked
and it didn't work out. But just because it didn't work.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Out here and he when he was with the.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Pittsburgh Steelers they they lost in the playoffs, does that
necessarily mean that it's somehow alleviates everything that he's done
up to that point.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Oh, I didn't see. That's the other part of the
way Russ might have done. Who knows how far they would.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Have gone to Pat Fryar move hangs on to that
slant that Russ perfectly through.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
To him dur in the season, Pat Fryar moved.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
One Russell Wilson's fault. Pat Fryar couldn't catch. Let's see
Russ said that though he was, he wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
He wouldn't. He would never say it, even though those
covering would like for him to say that, because then
if he did say say that, it would go off
brand and then an individuals a RiPP him apart, right right.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I think the only players that are ahead of Russell
Wilson in touchdowns that are not in the Hall of
Fame are Eli, which he's isn't Eli's not in yet, No,
he's not Eli. Matt Ryan and Phil Rivers those the
only those, the only players ahead of Russell Wilson in
passing touchas that are not in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
And Matt Staffordaron Rodgers will be. They're they're both active.
Matt Ryan gonna be in the Hall of Fame. Should be.
Should be. Honestly, twenty eight three is gonna cost him,
but he should be.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Part of the reason I think Matt Ryan's doing media
right now, yes, is because he wants to be in.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
The Hall of Fame. Well, you know what here is.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
But when Kurt Water was kind of pushing to making
this campaign to get in the Hall, Kurt, you know,
obviously been in the media. That helps you out. But
Kurt would never really say anything that would be.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Remotely perceived as negative.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
As negative because he wanted to get into the Hall.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
And that's I mean, and that's that's some of the
things we'll see. We had anfl six pack we come back.
Shout out to Stacy from Utah. I's been texting in tonight,
said I have a really strong feeling of bron was
about to go on a run. Hopefully we start getting
some guys back healthy, and we can start a run
all the way to the playoffs. Any updates on green
Law or Sanders, Nope, no current updates on green Law
or Sanders.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Green Laws a couple of weeks out. Sanders probably a
couple of weeks out. So let's get to the NFL
six back. It's time for the NFL six pad.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
I'm gonna trade the last year insight and insight information
you can't find anywhere else.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
No. Six the top six NFL headlines.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
What After Sunday's win over the Buccaneers, Eagles wide receiver A. J.
Brown posted a tweet suggesting he's not happy in Philadelphia,
saying quote, if you're not welcomed, now listen to quietly withdraw,
don't make a scene, shrug your shoulders, and be on
your way. The ressage was reportedly directed to one or
more members of the organization meeting with reporters today. However,
Brown took responsibility for the tweet, also disputed that he
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was sending a message while confirming his frustrations over a
lack of involvement in the offense, all in a fewer
than five minutes. The video exchange's posted by Elliott Shore
parks of ninety four WIP can.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Be seen and heard on his Twitter, Brown says, quote, First.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Off, I want to start by saying, obviously, Sunday after
the game, I let my frustrations boil over and speak
to the media, had a chance to correct my frustrations,
and I continue to let.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
It boil over.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
That's on me, you know, I take full accountability on that.
And even though Brown took responsibility.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
He disputed the obvious messages since he said, quote.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
My message on Twitter wasn't directed at anyone in the building,
not my coach, is not my quarterback, my GM, nobody.
He said he has open communication with everybody, calls frustration normal,
and specifically contradicted the portion of the tweet which suggested
he's not.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Being listened to. Do we think that AJ Brown is?
And how can I put this lying which he says
that that tweet.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Was not directed at anybody, even though he said it
was directed and then said it wasn't.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
But I can understand his frustration as to whide receivers.
Those guys get paid to kess the ball and receivers
like all.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Players in the league. We talked, We talked to one another.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
We talked about one another, and when you are not
part of what your team is doing, that becomes really frustrated.
I mean it's like being a runner back and your
coach not giving you enough carries. I mean you're gonna
be You're gonna be frustrated. But not everyone's AJ Brown
where he feels though you've got enough money to speak out?
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Was that directed at someone in particular? Nick?
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Or what are you doing now? What I just said?
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Then?
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Oh, I'm just speaking in general. Right, we can talk
about any position. Right, if someone is holding you back,
and you know that.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Your team is struggling, they're on the verge of losing,
even though the Eagles are four and oh and you
know you can help them.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
You can be frustrated, are you not?
Speaker 3 (18:38):
So? A? J.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Brown has a history though of well, I mean tweeting
his displeasure.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Philadelphia receivers have a history.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
That fair, But don't you think that shows maybe a
tiny bit of growth on AJ Brown's part to kind
of issue an apology.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Absolutely, but now you have to wonder did anyone in
the organization put them in aside and whisper in his ear?
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Maybe they could get some growth in that offense where
they can get him the ball two. The Bengals have
scored thirteen points with Jake Browning at quarterback last week,
and that's led some to wonder if they might be
looking at other options to run the offense while Joe
Burrow's out of action. That goach, Zach Taylor said on
Wednesday's not in that camp. Rowning is thirty three of
fifty two for two hundred and sixty five yards a touchdown,
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at two interceptions and back to back losses. Taylor said
the team is committed to him as their starting quarterbacks,
said quote, I've got a ton of confidence in Jake.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I'm on waiveringing that I've seen the best of Jake.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
I know that we can do a great job supporting
him where he can go win games for us.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
It's viabnbaby at ESPN dot com.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Browning had more successfully in for Burrow during the twenty
twenty three season, but Taylor said the offensive struggles aren't
on any one player. That it's on the head coach to
get ourselves in a better position to succeed Week five
and be odd. But you'd expect a coach to say
in this situation, but it's also something that Bengals have
to be willing to visit. Their matchups with the Lions
and the Packers the next two weeks don't go any
better than the Browning's first two out and should the
Cincinnati Bengals be looking elsewhere for quarterbacks?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Grant, I'll come to the you first on this one.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
I'm ready to submit to eat some dubs with the
Society Bengal.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
So you're a James.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Like, I'm just praying for the Lord to deliver me
from pick sixes.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
Hey and Jamar Chase on both my fantasy teams at
least will get some points.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
I pray to the Lord deliver them a new quarterback.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Wait a minute, be careful what you wish for, right
because you may want to go Jamis and it may
not cause you much as far as what you've given up.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
But knowing your Bengals and how cheap they are.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Not cost effective cheap they are, and you've given money
to three players quarterback, two wide receivers, you need all
the draft capital you can you can take, so you
may have to just suffer through this.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Well, first off, you got a draft a little better.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Well, say you got the draft capitol and they said
they're still hard draft of the right guys to be
able to How much would Jamis.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Was the next to change things? Oh? Not really enough.
I mean it'd be more fun. The offensive line is
so bad. It would be way more fun, though, and
you need those draft picks. Were through it.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Sacrifice Dave Brownie because it's not Joe Burrow, and you
just work your.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Way through it.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
You know who's played who could throw a great de ball.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
He's played behind some crap offensive lines over the years.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Another guy in New York, Russell Wilson, just throwing it
out there.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
Hey, I do love Russ as a person, but I
don't think it gets any better with Russ in Cincinnati
than it is with Jake Browning.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Right now, Bengals Country, let's roar, Why did you say?
Coach gen o'cyle told.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Reporters a couple of days ago that hope is day
to McCarthy would be able to get back on the
field for practice this week, but that did not happen.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Today.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
McCarthy's officially listed as a non participant on Minnesota's first
injury report of the week, as the club practices in
England in preparation for Sunday's matchup with the Browns London
that puts Carson Wentzy in the line to start a
quarterback once again, and Wednesday presser O'Connell said that McCarthy
is continuing his work on his way back, that he's
entering the next phase of his rehab where it can
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be a little bit more active. Looking forward to getting
back on the field practicing with the team as soon
as we can. McCarthy completed fifty eight point five percent
of his passes for three hundred one yards, two touchdowns
and three interceptions in two games this season. Twenty one
day practice window opened up for linebacker Tyler Bady and
full back CJ.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Ham.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Those guys were full practices, as was running back save
Or Scott. Christian Darasaw did not participate for Rest Andrew
van Ginkel and Ryan Kelly out for neck and concussion
today as well.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
In Minnesota Vikings, do they need to get J. J.
McCarthy backer? They fine with Carson Wentz out there.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
No, you want to get McCarthy back, but not at
the expense of rushing him back. And I mean Carson
Wentz has proven to be a serviceable quarterback. I mean,
look at the game against the Pittsburgh Seris. I mean
they didn't win the game, but I mean he looked
sort of like Vinige Carson Wentz, if you want to
look at it that way. So this is why you
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have a veteran quarterback. I just think, you know, there
have been other quarterbacks like Sam Donald who's benefited from
being in that Minnesota Vikings organization. So this could be
something that benefit That's right, Daniel Jones as well, benefits
well for a guy like Carson Wentz.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
That was the last memory of Sam Darnolt with the
matho dot.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
I love that highlights He's on to horrowed Man.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
Four oh veteran corners Avian Howard, who joined the.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Colts in the middle of August, has retired from football
today on the first day of October.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Howard provided a statement.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Regarding his decision Omar Kelly of the Miami Harold saying,
throughout my career, I've always played football for love the sport.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Purpose has been fulfilled in this sport. My kids are
more important to me than football. Of that hell of
a career, and even though it's ending in an unique way,
I'm cool with that. Just for once to put my
family first. I'm proud and excited about that decision. Howard
started all four games for the Colts, had a rough.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Outing on Sunday against the Rams that walks away from
the balance. Sevy one year, one point twenty five to
five million dollar contract.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Thirteen year old Howards second round picked by the Dolphins.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Back in twenty sixteen, played for Miami through twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Was released by the Dolphins in twenty twenty four. It
didn't play last year. Howards, a four time Pro bowler,
one time All Pro, one time second team All Pro,
finished third and Depensive Player of the Year voting back
in twenty twenty. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
He says that he's doing this for his kids, but
the way he got sunned by the Rams this past week,
he might have been the one that was I don't know,
Like he got out there after four games like I
don't have it anymore. I mean respecting him for like
recognizing you didn't have anymore. But you really have to couch.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
That is like I'm gonna go spend some time with
my kids.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
Well, you know what.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
You have to look at that and give a lot
of credit to a player who's realizing that Hey, the
game is somewhat passed and by he doesn't have the
footspeed that you want to play the corner position. And
you go back to the game against the Broncos. Think
he had two or three penalties in that game. So
you know, real, recognize real that sometimes you have to
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look in the mirror of life and say, you know what,
I still got it.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
And with respect to him, you know, like it's not
the way you want to go out, but at least
you're still going out on your terms. There's a lot
of those players in the NFL don't get that opportunity.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
No, you know, you do nothing him.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yeah, I mean there's guys out there right now that
want to be playing can't find a team to give
him fives. Today, Brown's third string quarterback Stor Sanders made
the unusual and possibly unprecedented decision to conduct a press
conference as a mime. Uh the reason for his decision
via Adam Scheffer, that quote schudre Sanders pantomiming today was
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in response to Rex Ryan criticizing him earlier this week.
Chapter attribute the assertion to no particular source named or unnamed.
Ryan said, quote, something's missing with this kid. This was
on Monday.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
This kid talks, he runs his mouth like he's got
a I could be a starting quarterback with his arms crossed.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Get your ass in the front row and study and
do all that.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
If I know the whole league knows, quit being an
embarrassment that way you get the talent to be quarterback,
you should be embarrassed you're not the quarterback right now.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Frankly, Sanders shouldn't care anything about Ryan or anyone else
on the.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Outside, says, But people who see Sanders media in or
won't know why he did what he did. They'll see
it in the regards as a creative effort to manufacture
a headline on a day that saw teammate Dylan Gabriel
elevate to the starting position. What do we think about
Shador going in mime? In response to Rex Ryan saying
he should say less.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
I thought it was great by him because he was
answering the question by not answering the question and also
taking into criticism coming for Rex Ryan and other people.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
And when you think about Shador.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Sanders, is there a more scrutinized guy right now in
pro football other than him? It's like you damn if
you do you damn if you don't, they come to you,
They ask you a question, and they coming to you
for the sole purpose knowing as though Dylan Gaber was
just named the starting quarterback, thinking that they can get
a SoundBite out of you, so now they can get
a whole bunch of you know, follows and retweets.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
But he gives them absolutely nothing and they still criticize it.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
I thought Ryan made a good point on koa Sports earlier.
He's like, I'm not going up to Sam ellen Are
in the locker room and ask him to critique Boeixt's performance.
I mean, you know who what other third string quarterback
is getting questions so well?
Speaker 1 (27:07):
But I mean that's the problem with you know, when
you've got somebody that's a that's a personality, when you've
got a shot or standards, you got a Tim Tebow,
your backup quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Are going to get questions like that.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Good on Shador for finding a creative way of balancing.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Now, I don't think you should listen to Rex Rye
to begin with.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
But good on him for finding a creative way to
sort of ride that line, even.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Though people are going to use that to bang the
drum and get the clicks.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Well, all the all Shador was trying to do is
ten toes down. That's it.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah, I was waiting on it. I was like, no,
I'm blowing right past that one. I don't I don't
want to put my foot in my mouth. Although Rex might.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Nor strapped in offensive tackle Kelvin Banks Junior with the.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Ninth overall pick, wait until the second round.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Take quarterbacks Tyler Shuck with the fortieth overall pick, Giants
select to Jackson Dart twenty fifth overall.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Dark made his first start with the Giants.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Has passed Sunday twenty one, eighteen upset of the Chargers
all Shuck has only seen three snaps and mop up dude.
Giants play the Saints on Sunday, and Dart admits he
hasn't forgotten the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Need Saints passed on him, which the Giants passed on
Dart two. Taking abdel Carter with a third over a pick, Dart.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Said quote, there's always a chip on your shoulder and
it's something like that happens. But I'm just gonna go
out there and play as hard as i can. The
Saints did show interested Dart, who had multiple visits with
the team in the pre draft process and had Dart
believing he might wind up in New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
He said, quote, yeah, I felt like my visit with
him was really good.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
You kind of have thoughts in your head about what
options are realistic, and I felt like that was a
place that could have paid out.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
But things didn't work out that way.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Dart ended up where he needed to be, where he
wanted to be, saying, quote, I love it here. It's
not a place I'd rather be. I love just how
passionate people are outside and inside the facility, like the
attitude East Coasters have.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
It's a lot of fun. I love it.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
What do we think about Jackson Dart get the start
against the team that passed on him in the New
Orleans Saints that had a lot of interest in Jackson Dart.
Matter of fact, I'm gonna tell you if he would
have been there in the second round, he would have.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Been a Saint.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
I liked it is because as a player, if you
play long enough, you're want to come across individuals who
have looked over you, and you get a chance to
really stick it to them when you really talk about
making choke on their words. That's kind of the idea.
And I've been through this in my in my entire career,
where you have people who doubts you, I mean, the
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best way to overcome that, guys is to be totally honest,
is to have success. Right, use that negativity as few
and we'll see Jackson Dart and Brian Dabel, who try
is trying to save his job in Joe Shane's job.
We're going to see a lot of design quarterback runs
for Jackson Dart, and.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
I will say Dart's get a little bit of a
hammy issue stemming off that game.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
You got to balance Wait a minute, grant, So if
Dark who was showing signs of a hamstring injury against
the Chargers for some reason, cannot finish.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
The game, that means what.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Jameis Winston wi.
Speaker 6 (30:01):
But speaking of doubt as another New York Giant, can
we all admit that we were wrong about cam'scattibo like.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
He was, we were not wrong.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
The pre draft process said this guy is not an
NFL running back. Running back? Well, yeah, okay, let me
let me do that. I did not that, not exactly.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
I said that I think that he's going to have
a very short shelf life in the NFL because of
the way that he runs true and that that that
still may because he seeks out contact.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
He's got to remember Mary Barber, Peyton Hill is.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Guys that sought out contact, they'll have like a they'll
have a blow up year, They'll have a blow up here,
and then you can't replicate that because you put the
body through that many car crash you'll seeking out contact.
You're gonna wear the body down real fast. It's the
reason that samaj p Ryan's career has been up. But
he's a guy who seeks contact out well.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
As a guy who played the safety position. I know
a lot about this right as far as seeking out contact,
and that was the one thing I love about Cam's
catib that he's not going to turn it down.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
I wanted that tough man football.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
But you absolutely right, Ben, I mean playing the way
that he plays. He has a very short life, but
guess what, that life he's gonna live is gonna be
one hell of a life.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
I can't wait to see some more backflips this weekend
leading away.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Like Bobby Bouche, he's fun player to watch. Don't get
me wrong, I said the same thing about him. Be
called fun player to watch in college. Absolute blast to watch.
But he's a guy that seeks out contact and any
running back like that. In the end, it plays the
way that he plays man, And.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
As a fantasy owner and a person who loves the game,
you love that about a guy. Look at least you
can say that you don't have to try to turn
him up. You may have to, as a coach try
to tune him down, and still you might not be
able to do it. In the game against the Charges,
it was the same thing. The dude was out there
looking for guys to run over. So I like Campscudible,
(31:52):
I like cams Capible.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I just again, I think you're probably looking at a
one contract player there who you know, we'll see.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Maybe I'm wrong on that, we'll see wrong before I'll
be wrong again.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Did you get that grant?
Speaker 2 (32:03):
One time? I thought it was wrong? Turned out of there.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Did you get that grant?
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Tell me you got that ball? I got it, So
let's cut your in that zone.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Quentin Johnston had dropped more balls than a Hernia Special lid.
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