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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Got you for another hour. Here's actually he's going to
join us to do an NFL six back. Here in
just a second, we've got Brad Spielberger joined us bottom
of the hour, Chance talking about what it's like to
become an NFL agent, the process that you have to
go through. And of course Brad reps Kee Robinson one
of our own players. We can Chance talk to him
about that as well as coming to the bottom of
the hour reverse.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Let's get to the NFL six back. It's time for
the NFL six path.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I'm gonna trade a lot of beer, insight and insight
information you can't find anywhere else.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I know the top six NFL headline what the New
Orleans Saints just renewed their.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Lease with the City of New Orleans through twenty thirty five,
keeping the franchise there until then. After all the relocations
we saw at the end of the twenty tens, you know, Raiders, Rams, Chargers,
et cetera. Do you think we could see any more
NFL teams relocate over the coming decades, and if so,
which franchises are teams do you think are most at
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risk for that and where do you think they could land?
Speaker 5 (01:01):
Well, I would suggest that the Jags have long been
mentioned as somebody, but they you know that they've got
a pretty tight support there even in that small market.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
You know what one of the LA teams maybe the Chargers.
I mean, you know, it always felt like that was temporary.
You're you're subletting your own stadium from the Rams. You know,
they have to be there through I think twenty thirty
five something like that, but then but then they're free.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
So the Chargers maybe if they wanted to go somewhere,
that might be one.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I don't know, man like New Orleans made sense as
as a team that could could go somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
The Titans are getting a new stadium built.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
That doesn't really feel like that's that's gonna happen. And
who else, I mean, where else otherwise would you would
you suggest would need to move. It's not making revenue
that Bengals. I mean they you know, they even though
they're cheap, they still make the rest make their payroll.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
I was trying to think like maybe they wanted the
cheap ownership groups like the Bengals. Maybe the Cardinals, Mark
Davis and the Raiders helped to finance some things by
moving to Vegas. I wonder if Cardinals or at Aangals
could see a similar opportunity.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah, Arizona maybe, but they've got a pretty good fan
base down there, you know. With all that, I don't
know that they'd be maybe one as I I mean,
like I'm scratching my head as I'm just kind of
running around in my head here trying to think.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I mean, Kansas City's one of the smallest markets, and
there's no way the Chiefs are moving, you know, same
with Buffalo in Green Bay. Yeah, tiny markets, but they
won't leave those fan bases. Yeah. What about the Chargers?
Speaker 6 (02:32):
Are they going to just move somewhere else in California?
California if they move, like back to San Diego once again,
or do you think they could move out of state?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I don't know. I mean there's there's options San Diego, Portland,
San Antonio, Saint Louis.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
I mean, there's there's options, but I mean you'd have
to have it secure and moving from LA you'd have
to have it secured before you did it.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Mexico City.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Maybe they do want to expand the game south, whether
I know that's a lot of focus on Europe, but
they do want to.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Expand the game South. That's why he was games down
in Brazil.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
But again, if you do stuff like that, then you
get the security and the logistics stuff as well.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Both Kyle Hamilton and Lamar Jackson aren't practicing for the
one in three Baltimore Ravens so far this week as
they prepare to host the one in three Houston Texans.
The Ravens have also lost star defensive lineman Namdi Madabike
for the year with a neck injury. It sounds like
that also might be career threatening. Do you think the
Ravens season is up in flames already or will it
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go up in flames with a loss?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
This weekend?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Kind of feels like it is. I mean, it won
in free I mean, you're you know, that division is
still pretty competitive, so maybe, but you know, yeah, I
a top break for the Ravens, but this might be
one of those years you just kind of pack it
in and like, all right, well, I need to figure
out if Hardball is the guy going forward to I mean,
he's been the guy there for how many years now,
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and I don't you know, there used to be a
value add with his coaching, but it doesn't feel like
you're getting that anymore, but it might be time to
maybe move him to the front office, you know, gently,
and get some fresh blood in there on the on
the coaching side of things as well.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
And to your point about packing it in, it's not
always the worst thing for these competitive franchises to have
it down year. The forty nine ers, they've had a
lot of injury plagued gears.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
It's the reason they have.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
A Nick Benito just bite, you know, Nick Deonito being
available three years into their rebuild. That's why they Eagle
or I guess the Eagles was a trade. But you know,
you can land up with or wind up with a
Jalen Carter or some team altering talent. It's how Pittsburgh
got Ben Roethlisberger, you know, in the first place back
in the day.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
But you know, bad teams get the opportunity. Good teams
get the opportunity to be.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Bad for a year or something happens, and they capitalize
on that with draft capital and everything else and usually
works out for them.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
That's why they generally stayed pretty good teams.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
So do you think that if the Raven do myth
have missed the playoffs last year?
Speaker 2 (04:50):
For Harball as a head coach.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Maybe they may try to nudge him towards, you know,
towards retirement or a front office you know, a token
front office job, that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
I wonder how much low he wants to coach, you know,
I don't know. I don't I don't know where his
mindset is on that. I mean, he was the Eagles
special teams guy back in what was it, ninety eighty eight.
I think he's been around. Harbor has been around for
a minute coaching in the league. He started as the
Ravens head coach in eight So he's coming up on what,
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you know, he's coming up on twenty years, you know,
as a head coach here in a couple of years.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I think he's the longest ten year out now.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
He's by far the longest tenured head coach. I mean,
he's been around a minute. I mean, you know, he's
this is what year seventeen or whatever for him in Baltimore.
So I don't know how old he is though I
can't remember he's in his sixties. I don't remember how
old he is. So, yeah, he might be coming up
on that. We'll have to see that's something to keep
your eye on.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Put a pin in.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Yeah, sorry, Ken, Tomlin got to be coming up on
most matchups between two head coaches efter because Tomlin's been
around forever as well.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah, it might be three. Sorry for stepping on you there, Grant.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
After the Eagles victory on Sunday, AJ Brown posted a
Bible quote on Twitter that said, if you're not welcomed
to not listen to quietly withdraw, don't make a scene,
A shrug your shoulders and be on your way, which
you know, posting an Instagram story about this whole thing
is definitely in line with that quote. Anyways, Today AJ
Brown attempted to clarify the situation and said his quote
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wasn't about anyone in the Eagles organization. Firstly, do you
believe Aj Brown that this wasn't a targeted shot? And
do you think we could see his frustrations boil over
this week as he has Patrick Sirtan following him around
the field.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
I don't believe him even for a second.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I think we all know that that was absolutely targeted
at the organization to get him involved. I mean, the
Eagles have the worst passing yards per game in the league.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Right now one hundred and fifty two point three yards
per game through the air.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
They didn't complete a pass in the second half of
last week.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I still want they're finding ways to win.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
They are thirty second and passing yards per game, sixteenth
and rushing yards per game, and still and still, and
this is the funny part, seventh in points per game,
the Broncos are eleventh, and passing yards per game are
should be eighteenth in passing yards per game, fifth and
rushing yards per game, and sixteenth in.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Points score per game.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
So Lebroncos is getting way more yardage than the Eagles
and scoring less.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
The Eagles are this year's Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Like I think everyone's looking at them and going, this
isn't a good team. This is going to come do
at some point in time. They're you know, they seem
nowhere near as good as their record. I guess you
would at least say, and they just keep finding a
way to win games. And I think we're gonna have
the same conversation all year and look up and they'll
be fourteen and three or fifteen and two.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah. I could very much see that. They're a gritty
football team. They find they dig deep and they find
ways to win.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Again. That stat blows my mind.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
They're the worst in the league in passing yardage, exactly,
middle of the league in rushing yardage, and seventh in
points score.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Somehow, that's insane.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
And it's not even like the defensive metrics are hyper
elite or anything.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
They're they're really fairly middling too. Yeah, but just hilarious.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
Four.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Speaking of interesting social media outbursts. To Sean Elliott, the
safety for the Pittsburgh Steelers, responded to the NFL finding
him five seven hundred and ninety seven dollars for wearing
an unapproved black towel for this past weekend's game between
the Steelers and Vikings. He responded by posting a photo
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of the memo he received from the league on his
Instagram story with the caption count your effing days at NFL.
Y'all worried about the wrong things. What do you make
of this situation? And what penalty do you think he
could face as a result of it?
Speaker 2 (08:39):
If any? I mean, not much of one, you know.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I mean, I'm sure they'll find a flag to find
him for next week. Is it's kind of been like, hey,
we can do this all, you know, We're the NFL.
We can do as much as we want. But I
understand player frustration. I will tell you, guys, you have
not lived until you've been down on the field pregame
with Nick Ferguson while he's yelling at the uniform guy,
the guy who inspect the uniforms to give the fines out, well,
he's heckling the uniform inspector.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Guy out there.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Uh that that has been the highlight of my uh
bab you know, because I get that I'm done on
the field before every game, but that, like that is
the highlight of my my life watching Nick Ferguson heckle
the uniform media guy.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
So he's given him a.
Speaker 6 (09:16):
Hard time because they're trying to crack down on the players.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yeah, he's a fight for a sock.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
You know.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
He's out there just like like heckling these dudes.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
He told a story I think once of losing thousands
and thousands of dollars on a stock Yeah lostalk thing.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah, I lost uh lost a sponsorship deal on h
on that one time. So these players, I mean, like
I get it, having been in a job that required
a uniform in the army and an exacting uniform specifications.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
I understand, you know where they're coming from on this,
but the.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Same top players gotta you gotta have that mindset.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
They're gonna they're gonna get you on that, you know.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Yeah, I also think this seems like a poor choice
of words at the least from Deshaun Elliott. They held
an eye on, Yeah, everything that the NFL's gone through
to in the past here, and we've seen them change
some policies or as a result of that incident flying
off the handle like that from Deshaun Elliott, I thought
maybe because of that recent incident, we could see a
suspension or something more extreme from the league.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
At least been the league for eight years, you should
know better.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Five.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Roger Goodell stated today that the NFL is planning on
launching two professional flag football leagues ahead of the twenty
twenty eighth Summer Olympic Games, one league for men, one
league for women. When do you think we'll see these
new leagues launched, if at all?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
And do you think there'll.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Be a successful TV product without NFL Stars.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I believe we'll see these things launched before twenty thirty,
and we'll see how that goes. A lot of it's
in the marketing. When are you gonna run these leagues?
Are these going to be spring leagues? You could have
NFL guys in there. If there's spring leagues, who.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Knows, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
A lot of it depends on exactly what the end
game product is, how they market it when it is,
how it's appealing to I mean, because if it's not
NFL guys, you could put it on during the summer
and then you know where we've got football during the summer.
Does that bite into lessons more? With the football products
in general, we've seen me spring leagues they do okay,
but they've not really resonated, you know. I mean they're
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sticking around a little bit, but they haven't really resonated.
I don't know a lot of this Again, it's just
going to depend on the product.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Is it fun to watch? If it's not fun to
watch while you watching.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
And I mean, maybe it could be a good product,
because as we've talked about regarding the Olympics, these flag
rules are pretty different.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
These flag players have different skills.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
The whole like squad running thing where they where they
dip down to trying to avoid getting their flags pulled
as opposed to these other spring leagues where you are
watching you know, C minus D plus football players at
the best.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, I think. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
The other part of this is marketable personalities. Have you
got personalities that people got to tune in for us?
You're finding out with the WNBA right all of a
sudden viewership took off. When you have marketable personalities, that
the biggest part about getting a sport going and people.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
That the fans could recognize.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
I think that's one area where flag football is gonna
have a huge uphill climb. You WNDA at least had
ncaa kind of farm developing.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Those person You can find some guys at the college
game that you know a little be like that, but
still you gotta find they got to be personalities that
they engage you and make you want to tune into
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Six need to find some he hates mees school.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
That's exactly what we're going through by seekers. Since twenty fifteen,
only eleven you kind of talked about those those rough
starts early on in the season earlier in this six pack.
Since twenty fifteen, only eleven of the eighty eight teams
to start one in three have made the postseason.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Which one in three or worst AFC team?
Speaker 4 (12:46):
You've got the Dolphins, the Jets, the Ravens, the Browns,
the Texans, the Titans.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
And the Raiders.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Do you think has the best chance of turning their
season around and reaching the postseason?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
What are the one in three teams? Again?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
One of the the raven Dolphins, sorry, the Dolphins, the Jets,
the Ravens, the Browns.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
The Texans, the Titans, and the Raiders. And I will say,
because you might immediately go to the Ravens or the Texans.
The Ravens and Texans play this week, one of those
teams likely drops to one and four. Only six teams
in NFL history have made the playoffs after dropping to
one and four.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah, I believe the Texans.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Uh soft division relatively speaking, and there they're a well
coach football team. They just they've got some issues on
the offensive side of the ball. Yeah. I don't buy
the Dolphins with the Jets even first second.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
He'll put the Rod Taylor in there and then the
Jets get interested. The Ravens, Yeah, there's too much too
much attrition the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Gino, it looks like the wheels are finally coming off
for him.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah, Texans, Yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
I think the Texans have a pretty good chance because
even with Lamar back, I mean, maybe they make some
crazy rundown the stretch, but that hole, they could be
a one in five hole. They played the Texans this week,
they get the Rams next week, then they get there
by you figure Lamar comes back after that, But with
all the talent they're already missing, it's gonna be hard
to climb out of.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
One in five.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
The Texans, I think you can argue, yes, they're having
these offensive struggles, but new offensive coordinator, almost entirely a
new offensive line, maybe their struggles can turn around in
a few weeks.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
In a way, it's it's kind of hard to buy
in with the Ravens. So yeah, to your.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Point, with the Texans and kind of an easier division.
I mean, if the Ravens can get to nine wins
after Lamar Jackson comes back, depending on what the Steelers
do down the stretch, I mean, the Browns and the
Bengals aren't gonna do much. So you think maybe you've
got a chance to squeeze in with nine to ten
wins from the AFC.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Nor maybe I mean you could be fishing for a
while card there. At the I just think the path
for the Texans is just easier. I mean, who's gonna
get who's gonna besides the Jags?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Who you know? They get? The Jags, the Colts, and
the Texans.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, the Titans, I mean, they stink that's too easy.
So you know, I mean the Jags they're three and one,
but are they really We'll see, like we need we
need a few more weeks to see if they're real
three and one or three, you know. And then you've
got the Colts they just lost.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
To the Rams. We'll see how long they're able to
keep that go ahead. That division just feels a little easier.
And yeah, cults are legit.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
I think that too, But it wouldn't be surprising if
Daniel Jones turns into a pumpkin.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I'm reserving judgment for that. I mean, they came out
at a.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Level that was like unsustainable, so you know, and then
Zavi and Howard retired. You know, they've got some some
atrician on the defensive side they're gonna have to figure out.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
And the Jags, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
That's one of those things where You're like, all right,
they're three and one, but are they really you know?
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Yeah, reminded me of the Vontae Davis situation, right, retired
in the middle of a game.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Another Colts cornerback though I think you retired when he
was with the Bills. But still there's something with Colts cornerbacks. Yeah,
hanging a Colts players me and Andrew Luck.
Speaker 6 (15:52):
Yeah yeah, good point, Just Sam, I don't like all
those comparisons coming out to Andrew Luck and Joe Burrow's career.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
The offensive lines.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Great, get on the phone and get him an offensive line.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
Give him to spend a little money on the right places.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I'm just Sam, say yours, thanks for doing the six pack.
Grat Spielberger will.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Come back here with you.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
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Speaker 2 (16:37):
Maybe a new one in the near future. Oh, don't
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me back in grant.
Speaker 7 (16:47):
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Speaker 2 (16:50):
Brad Spielberger the Rector Football.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Administration with the NFLPA certified Agent at GC Sports Management,
formerly with the Pro Football Focus, obviously in the Vikings
Legal This is part of our ongoing series about what
is this job actually like?
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Rad Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Yeah, then turn me back. It's cool to be back
in a different capacity in the PFF days. So thanks
for grabbing me up.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yeah, absolutely, brother.
Speaker 7 (17:15):
And you're a newly minted NFL Players Association certified agent,
and I think a lot of fans don't understand the
rather arduous and frankly expensive process that that is.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Yeah, that's a cool series for sure.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
That is certainly something that I think a lot of.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
People don't truly understand the everything that goes into it
and all that you're required to do. I mean, the
test itself is twenty five hundred bucks to take. And
then as soon as you get the email that you
have been you know you passed the test, though to
speak is okay, congratulations. Here is the annual fee, and
here is the insurance you're required to take out, you know,
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to cover liability. So yeah, it is quite an expensive endeavor,
no question about it.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
The pass rate on that test, by the way, which
you pay twenty five hundred dollars pass or fail, is
not particularly high.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Do you remember what the exact pass rate is?
Speaker 3 (18:08):
I believe it's about a third, is it what I
want to say? I think it's around the area.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Yeah, it's to say, it's roughly thirty six percent I
believe of people that pass this test. You pay twenty
five hundred dollars and only about thirty six percent of
people pass this test to get that, and then of course,
you know you talked about it's twenty five out of
dollars fee. You got to take out the liability insurance,
the annual fee on top of that, and that's just
just to get started. Now you've got to go out
and get clients, and you can maximum only charge three
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percent as as an agent, three percent of that contract.
So you're you're probably in the hole early on for
quite some time before you get a player that can
get to that second contract and start to pay for itself.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yeah, this is why there's many reasons, reasons why there's
been so much consolidation in the agency space. We could
probably have an entire show just talking about that. But
you know, I think a huge component of that is
the reason why you see the genesis a lot of
agent careers is guys go to the mecca agency, the
giant shops that I'm not gonna I'm not gonna give
any free publicity, but you know, you fans have all
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heard them knowing I'm caaa big games out there that
that are just in the entertainment and talent agency space. Anyway,
they go there to kind of, you know, work their
way up the ladder, pay their dues, all those good cliches,
because a, you might get your dues paid for or
your test paid for. But then be more importantly, another
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little wrinkle that people don't know about. Two, if you
don't sign a client and have a player sign an
NFL contract in three years after getting your certification, you
lose it. It lapses, so you can't really just get
it pay all this money and start from square one,
or you can, but it's a massive, massive risk, you know,
whereas other people that work at established shops. You can
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then get your name on one of those player contracts and
you don't just lose your search. So yeah, the barrier
to entry is about its highes could possibly make it.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
And that's without getting into the cash outlays, you know,
a training try to get a guy, you know, combine
prepp to all that kind of stuff, all the additional
expenses that the average fan probably doesn't even consider that
somebody comes in because you see a lot of this stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I see it all the time on social media.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
People backlash and why these guys even have agents, And
I'm like, dude, do you understand how much an agent
does or how little money they actually do it for.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Yeah, it's a good point. I appreciate that. Yeah, I
mean it's also I think there are really so many
things that go into, you know, a career for a
football player. You essentially become a brand. You're an entity.
You are so much more than just playing football. But
if you want to solely focus your time, effort, and
energy on playing football, you have to delegate those aspects
of your life to somebody else.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
And so that's really what it is.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
And you know, I'll say this though too, it's it's
very very cool to be able to work with someone
invest in them and obviously you know they invest back
in you and trusting you and believe in you, and
you know, it's this amazing mutually beneficial relationship that really
it is a business relationship, but at least in our opinion,
the way it's done right is it becomes a family
and a personal relationship. Like yeah, I mean, it's there's
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there's so much that goes into it. And in a
weird way, this this nil world, which I know is
not what you had me on, but it's kind of
all part of the same process has made these guys
pros earlier in their life. They they've handled money, they've
dealt with you know, more media and and and all
this stuff. And so it's less of a kind of
a culture shot going to the NFL because they've kind
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of seen some of it. But but yes, there's a
lot that goes into the day to day of an
NFL player.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Well, there's a lot that goes into the day to
day of an NFL's agent.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
There are different tasks that that you guys performed that
the fans may not be aware of. What is a
typical plate for an NFL agent in terms of what
they are trying to do during a day.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Yeah, so you touched on some of the training stuff
and so recovery, performance, anything to boost the ability and
maximize the abilities of your player obviously on the field,
but then I think in a lot of ways, you know,
agents would probably are you can make more of an
impact off the field. So you know, a lot of
guys have their own foundation, so you're setting up five
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oh one three c's and helping maybe manage that charity
or that foundation. You then are of course looking into
marketing deals and trying to help them earn some compensation
off the field as well. And then obviously there's a
true nitty gritty the grind of you know, do you
have a guy who's maybe on a practice cluaud right
now that you're trying to get elevated or signed to
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go somewhere else. You have a guy and if he
isn't our roster, you're trying to get some some workouts
and tryouts to get on a you know, a club
of sixty three man roster. So it's really you know,
it's so much and it changes every single day, which
you know, if you're ADHD like me, I love no
two days ever the same, which is kind of a
beauty of the Cabulieve from my perspective talk.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
With Brad Spielberger.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
You guys can find him on Twitter at Spielberger Brads
or fight Agents and you can find him. But Grand
Central Sports Management, Uh, what are you players here on.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
The Denver Broncos. Q Robinson?
Speaker 1 (23:03):
We love here in Denver? Uh, what can you tell
us about Q that we might not know?
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Yeah, So, like Q is the hot buzzy name of
all of the off season and training camp in mini camp,
and we got to get our guy active and get
him out there and make him make some splash plays
like he did in the preseason with some for st
fumbles and all that good stuff. So I know that's
going to come. You know, he's gonna be a phenomenal
Bronco and be sacking the quarterback with all those good
addressers that have there soon. But yeah, I mean you've
probably seen it fans that follow the socials and all
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that Q is in love with the charitable aspects of
being an NFL player, probably in every single social post
if they're working with kids or going to different clubs
and and just hanging out with fans and giving back
to the community. You know, it's the kids from Birmingham
that's not living out in Denver, Colorado. Uh, definitely of
a different landscape and he's just fully embraced it and
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uh and love the people he's interacted with so far.
And yeah, so it's been great off the field, but
it's time to making plays on the field and getting
in there.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Uh, real quick.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
On the text line, we had some people texting in
some questions for you, Brad, if you don't mind answering,
I got one here that says, Okay, if I wanted
to be an NFL agent, where would I start?
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Yeah, So first, you know, I kind of just touched
on you might want to have some sort of backing
or work through some connections there, but which you know
is obviously easier than said than done. But the big
thing is you have to know the NFL CBA, which
is a public document. You know, you have to have
a pretty strong grasp on a lot of different components
of of what that collective bargaining agreement entails who were
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the effective parties, how does it work, and the different
hypothetical scenarios that would apply, you know, if you were
representing a player. But yeah, if you wanted to reach
out to the NFL PAT to sign up to take
the exam, they do send you basically, Hey, here's every
piece of material that may be tested on. Now go
learn it and then you know, come back to us
and take the exam. But yeah, that's the long and
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short of it.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Is there any prerequisites to becoming a player agent in
the NFL other than obviously taking and passing the certification?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I believe you do have to have either a postgraduate
degree or a bachelor's degree plus x number of years
working in a certain capacity related to the field. I
don't don't quote me on that one. It's on the website,
But yeah, there is. There are a couple more hurdles
to clear, you know, before we're even allowed to be
to be administered them.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Another one here, you may you may not want to
answer this one.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I don't know, but I'll ask it of you anyway,
And this is how do you go about recruiting players?
Speaker 5 (25:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:36):
So you know you can't recruit until you're an agent.
So you know, that's that's not a question for me.
That's the that's the life that I'm now about to explore,
you know, is how to navigate that process and how
to go through that. But you know, I think you
probably could use your imagination and just kind of think through,
you know, how you sell yourself and your services to players.
But yeah, I definitely don't want to dive into that
too much more.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah, obviously don't want to give away any trade secrets there,
but I thought I thought i'd try anyway, talk with
Brad Spielberger at Spielberger Brad guys on Twitter. Uh.
Speaker 7 (26:05):
Now, you previously obviously back.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
In the day with with pro football focused. Do you
believe that that helped give you a leg up? That
employment there helped give you a leg up into exploring
this path?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
And was this something you always know that you wanted
to do.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Yeah, so I obviously had the contract you know, component
of my job there, and that's why I was at THEFF,
and you know it started doing more research projects with
directly with NFL clubs and working with different analytics departments
or maybe the football administration, you know, the contract groups
at the different NFL teams and then just started talking
to agents and working with agents, and you know, some
kind of heard about the work we were doing on
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the club side. So yeah, I mean it certainly did.
I would say on an individual level though, I think
it proved to me that you know, I've I've watched
enough film and evaluated players and also obviously you know,
the data nerd side and using that and leveraging that
as well. It made me realize that I could contribute
be a valuable contributor to identifying talent as well as
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working through the actual nitty gritty of signing those plays.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Right, last one for me here, what advice would you
impart to anybody who's you know, who's eyeball in this
path or maybe in college right now listening and has
this path in front of them as their dream goal.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
For sure, you know, I would just say, you know,
it's it's a connection business, and I know plenty are,
but it really is a industry where you need to
just make sure that you don't miss out on any
network networking opportunities or going to different conferences or doing
whatever you can to just get your foot in the
door to talk to people. You never know when someone
might need, you know, help with a certain thing. And
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as much as this isn't super enticing, I probably did
free work for a dozen agents before I got paid
to work the one, right, So it's just that's just
the nature of business and the life we live in.
But it's certainly going to help you, and in your
naging you pass around. It's a pretty small group. It
actually is a pretty small fraternity of people, and if
you do good work in an exempify that you are
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capable and competency, you probably will get recommended to someone eventually.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Brad Spielberger at Spielberger Brad on Twitter, certified agent over
there at Grand Central Sports Management.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Hey, I appreciate the time and good luck out there, brother,
appreciate it. Thank you, absolutely take care.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I always love getting a chance to talk to somebody
who has done he is living here, you know, around
the league, and Brad certainly that guy.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Brad's been around for a long time known Brad.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Forsh how long now, more years than I care to
admit at this point, I think about a decade. But yeah, Brad,
Brad's a guy who was you know, was it too
laid law worked with the Vikings Legal department for a
little while. He used to be a pro football focus
and happy for him he just just got his nfl
PA certification for the agent. It really is an expensive process,
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I will say that, And if you're somebody out there
that's looking to become an agent, you need to be
saving your pennies ahead of time because it really is.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
An ex expensive process. But I think Brad hit.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
On some some major major points to this, and that
is this business and I can attest to it too.
It really is who you know. You've got to find
ways to get to be that. And I would suggest
going to places like the Shrine Game or the Senior Bowl,
going out to the Combine and just doing just networking
all the time. Find ways to be creative and network.
One of the most creative ways to network was a
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guy that didn't even have an agent, wound up getting one.
He went out to the combine, wasn't invited, long snapper
from ECU, guy named Charlie Coggins, and he was sitting
there in the bathroom and he would hang out in
the lurk in the bathrooms either at the Combine or
across the street at the restaurants with beer cooozies with
his name on it in his position, and like a
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website that he put up that he slapped together because
he desperately wanted to be a long snapper in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
He's an undersized guy.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Wound up getting a couple of cup Ron Rivera, wound
up meet him in the bathroom, brought him out and
had him in with the Carolina Panthers for a minute. Gambled, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
back when he was with the Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
I'm gonna get Charlie on. I had to talk to
Charlie anumber of ye.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
We had him on the show when I had when
I first did did stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
I think, gosh, how long goes that?
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Twenty twenty eighteen, I guess we had him on. We
had him on for a minute at that. I'll have
to get Charlie back on. See what he's doing now.
You think he's doing financial stuff. But what a great
story though, Yeah, yeah, this is a guy who's been
done on yourself, just bet on himself. Driv paid for
himself to go up there to Indianapolis and lurking in
the bathrooms with beer koozies and coasters and business cards,
and whatever else, just trying to get his name out there,
see if he gets somebody to bite and and you know,
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so Brad is a guy and going back to the
networking portion of this is a guy who's been around
and all these different things networking and now betting on
himself as an agent. I honestly thought about doing that
for quite some time, getting my certification and see, you know,
just just to have it. Over the years, some of
the locker room connections, guys frustrated with their agents, that
kind of thing. You know, I've kind of thought about
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thought about doing something like that and creating an agency
where and this is my I'll give it out free
on the air. This was sort of my idea. It was,
you know that three percent that fee, except that basically
I'm only paying myself one percent out of that and
the other two percent goes into a fund that once
these guys were growth fund and once these guys retire,
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there's a little bit of retirement coming out of the
you know, the fee that they've they fronted and believed
in me. So it's it would be an agency that
invested back in uh its own players. As far as
that kind of stuff goes that'd be a pretty good
selling point. Yeah, you know, I mean because I mean
for me, I would be getting into it for you know,
to make a ton of money or whatever I got
being I'm all right, I'm comfortable. But the idea behind
that would be to to get something to get back
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to because so many of these agents out there, uh.
And Brad is not going to sell anybody out on
the air, but a lot of these agencies out there,
especially these mega ones, are are predatory, right. They try
to get you in, get as much money out of
you as they can. They'll recommend you to their guys
as far as financial advisors go and marketability, and they're.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Getting cuts off of that. Uh. And the minute that
you're done, they're done with you, you know.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
And so that that's the thing they'll they'll they want
these boutique agencies to pay for.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
All your upfront, the you know, the combine and all that.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Then as soon as you hit the league, they're like,
where're the big guys, we can get your second contract
youah blah blah blah, and they go they poach you
from from the boutique agencies and then try to make
the money off you. And then they're done with you,
they go and that's what happened with guy you know,
guys like Torella Owens, and you know seeing over the
years guys go broke after they played. My idea was
to create something that would allow guys to uh make
a little bit of make money and then have a
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little bit of money on the back end when they
get done.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
Yeah, and you hear hear all those stories like you
mentioned Torell Owens, just people like taking advantage of you,
and that would be the hardest part as a player,
you know, not never having to deal with this money
at this amount before.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
And then who do you trust with that money? Yeah,
because you do need someone. I mean a lot of
these guys don't know. I mean I don't know what
I would do with all that money.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
And you know where to put it and how to
how to make it last because your career is only
gonna last ten years hopefully.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
But most likely five.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Yeah, the average NFL career is much much shorter, like three, right,
it's like two, like two and a half. You know,
most guys don't make it to a second contract, and
so having having a plan behind all that, The idea
for me was you know, okay, well we put you know,
we create a growth fund out of the other two
percent that you're you know, out of the other two
percent you're paying me. Uh, and then five years after
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you retired, you can take money out of that growth fund,
you know, based on what you put into it.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
And you know, the idea would be to.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Give those guys a little bit of a security blanket
a few years down the line that you know, once
they're retired, that they could they could take that capital to.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Do something else with s I. You know.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Anyway, that's my idea. We'll see if that that ever
pounds out. I appreciate you guys listening to night. We
got bus Prime Time coming up here in just a
few any final thoughts there, uh, grants.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
On Brad Spielberg, I think that was super interesting. I
love going behind the curtain of what these rfects of
the NFL.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yeah, we're gonna do some more of those coming up.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
I got some front office guys that are gonna gonna
jump on the show.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
We'll kind of kind of tell you what guys do.
So we got about front time come up next year.
On koh, Hey, you've been listening to Broncos Country tonight.
You just dropped your pants right away, and then I
kind of shut down. Though Aric Tara Ways was a
mistake at hindsight,
Got you for another hour. Here's actually he's going to
join us to do an NFL six back. Here in
just a second, we've got Brad Spielberger joined us bottom
of the hour, Chance talking about what it's like to
become an NFL agent, the process that you have to
go through. And of course Brad reps Kee Robinson one
of our own players. We can Chance talk to him
about that as well as coming to the bottom of
the hour reverse.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Let's get to the NFL six back. It's time for
the NFL six path.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I'm gonna trade a lot of beer, insight and insight
information you can't find anywhere else.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I know the top six NFL headline what the New
Orleans Saints just renewed their.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Lease with the City of New Orleans through twenty thirty five,
keeping the franchise there until then. After all the relocations
we saw at the end of the twenty tens, you know, Raiders, Rams, Chargers,
et cetera. Do you think we could see any more
NFL teams relocate over the coming decades, and if so,
which franchises are teams do you think are most at
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risk for that and where do you think they could land?
Speaker 5 (01:01):
Well, I would suggest that the Jags have long been
mentioned as somebody, but they you know that they've got
a pretty tight support there even in that small market.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
You know what one of the LA teams maybe the Chargers.
I mean, you know, it always felt like that was temporary.
You're you're subletting your own stadium from the Rams. You know,
they have to be there through I think twenty thirty
five something like that, but then but then they're free.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
So the Chargers maybe if they wanted to go somewhere,
that might be one.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I don't know, man like New Orleans made sense as
as a team that could could go somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
The Titans are getting a new stadium built.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
That doesn't really feel like that's that's gonna happen. And
who else, I mean, where else otherwise would you would
you suggest would need to move. It's not making revenue
that Bengals. I mean they you know, they even though
they're cheap, they still make the rest make their payroll.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
I was trying to think like maybe they wanted the
cheap ownership groups like the Bengals. Maybe the Cardinals, Mark
Davis and the Raiders helped to finance some things by
moving to Vegas. I wonder if Cardinals or at Aangals
could see a similar opportunity.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah, Arizona maybe, but they've got a pretty good fan
base down there, you know. With all that, I don't
know that they'd be maybe one as I I mean,
like I'm scratching my head as I'm just kind of
running around in my head here trying to think.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I mean, Kansas City's one of the smallest markets, and
there's no way the Chiefs are moving, you know, same
with Buffalo in Green Bay. Yeah, tiny markets, but they
won't leave those fan bases. Yeah. What about the Chargers?
Speaker 6 (02:32):
Are they going to just move somewhere else in California?
California if they move, like back to San Diego once again,
or do you think they could move out of state?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I don't know. I mean there's there's options San Diego, Portland,
San Antonio, Saint Louis.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
I mean, there's there's options, but I mean you'd have
to have it secure and moving from LA you'd have
to have it secured before you did it.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Mexico City.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Maybe they do want to expand the game south, whether
I know that's a lot of focus on Europe, but
they do want to.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Expand the game South. That's why he was games down
in Brazil.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
But again, if you do stuff like that, then you
get the security and the logistics stuff as well.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Both Kyle Hamilton and Lamar Jackson aren't practicing for the
one in three Baltimore Ravens so far this week as
they prepare to host the one in three Houston Texans.
The Ravens have also lost star defensive lineman Namdi Madabike
for the year with a neck injury. It sounds like
that also might be career threatening. Do you think the
Ravens season is up in flames already or will it
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go up in flames with a loss?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
This weekend?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Kind of feels like it is. I mean, it won
in free I mean, you're you know, that division is
still pretty competitive, so maybe, but you know, yeah, I
a top break for the Ravens, but this might be
one of those years you just kind of pack it
in and like, all right, well, I need to figure
out if Hardball is the guy going forward to I mean,
he's been the guy there for how many years now,
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and I don't you know, there used to be a
value add with his coaching, but it doesn't feel like
you're getting that anymore, but it might be time to
maybe move him to the front office, you know, gently,
and get some fresh blood in there on the on
the coaching side of things as well.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
And to your point about packing it in, it's not
always the worst thing for these competitive franchises to have
it down year. The forty nine ers, they've had a
lot of injury plagued gears.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
It's the reason they have.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
A Nick Benito just bite, you know, Nick Deonito being
available three years into their rebuild. That's why they Eagle
or I guess the Eagles was a trade. But you know,
you can land up with or wind up with a
Jalen Carter or some team altering talent. It's how Pittsburgh
got Ben Roethlisberger, you know, in the first place back
in the day.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
But you know, bad teams get the opportunity. Good teams
get the opportunity to be.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Bad for a year or something happens, and they capitalize
on that with draft capital and everything else and usually
works out for them.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
That's why they generally stayed pretty good teams.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
So do you think that if the Raven do myth
have missed the playoffs last year?
Speaker 2 (04:50):
For Harball as a head coach.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Maybe they may try to nudge him towards, you know,
towards retirement or a front office you know, a token
front office job, that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
I wonder how much low he wants to coach, you know,
I don't know. I don't I don't know where his
mindset is on that. I mean, he was the Eagles
special teams guy back in what was it, ninety eighty eight.
I think he's been around. Harbor has been around for
a minute coaching in the league. He started as the
Ravens head coach in eight So he's coming up on what,
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you know, he's coming up on twenty years, you know,
as a head coach here in a couple of years.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I think he's the longest ten year out now.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
He's by far the longest tenured head coach. I mean,
he's been around a minute. I mean, you know, he's
this is what year seventeen or whatever for him in Baltimore.
So I don't know how old he is though I
can't remember he's in his sixties. I don't remember how
old he is. So, yeah, he might be coming up
on that. We'll have to see that's something to keep
your eye on.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Put a pin in.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Yeah, sorry, Ken, Tomlin got to be coming up on
most matchups between two head coaches efter because Tomlin's been
around forever as well.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah, it might be three. Sorry for stepping on you there, Grant.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
After the Eagles victory on Sunday, AJ Brown posted a
Bible quote on Twitter that said, if you're not welcomed
to not listen to quietly withdraw, don't make a scene,
A shrug your shoulders and be on your way, which
you know, posting an Instagram story about this whole thing
is definitely in line with that quote. Anyways, Today AJ
Brown attempted to clarify the situation and said his quote
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wasn't about anyone in the Eagles organization. Firstly, do you
believe Aj Brown that this wasn't a targeted shot? And
do you think we could see his frustrations boil over
this week as he has Patrick Sirtan following him around
the field.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
I don't believe him even for a second.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I think we all know that that was absolutely targeted
at the organization to get him involved. I mean, the
Eagles have the worst passing yards per game in the league.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Right now one hundred and fifty two point three yards
per game through the air.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
They didn't complete a pass in the second half of
last week.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I still want they're finding ways to win.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
They are thirty second and passing yards per game, sixteenth
and rushing yards per game, and still and still, and
this is the funny part, seventh in points per game,
the Broncos are eleventh, and passing yards per game are
should be eighteenth in passing yards per game, fifth and
rushing yards per game, and sixteenth in.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Points score per game.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
So Lebroncos is getting way more yardage than the Eagles
and scoring less.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
The Eagles are this year's Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Like I think everyone's looking at them and going, this
isn't a good team. This is going to come do
at some point in time. They're you know, they seem
nowhere near as good as their record. I guess you
would at least say, and they just keep finding a
way to win games. And I think we're gonna have
the same conversation all year and look up and they'll
be fourteen and three or fifteen and two.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah. I could very much see that. They're a gritty
football team. They find they dig deep and they find
ways to win.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Again. That stat blows my mind.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
They're the worst in the league in passing yardage, exactly,
middle of the league in rushing yardage, and seventh in
points score.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Somehow, that's insane.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
And it's not even like the defensive metrics are hyper
elite or anything.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
They're they're really fairly middling too. Yeah, but just hilarious.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
Four.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Speaking of interesting social media outbursts. To Sean Elliott, the
safety for the Pittsburgh Steelers, responded to the NFL finding
him five seven hundred and ninety seven dollars for wearing
an unapproved black towel for this past weekend's game between
the Steelers and Vikings. He responded by posting a photo
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of the memo he received from the league on his
Instagram story with the caption count your effing days at NFL.
Y'all worried about the wrong things. What do you make
of this situation? And what penalty do you think he
could face as a result of it?
Speaker 2 (08:39):
If any? I mean, not much of one, you know.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I mean, I'm sure they'll find a flag to find
him for next week. Is it's kind of been like, hey,
we can do this all, you know, We're the NFL.
We can do as much as we want. But I
understand player frustration. I will tell you, guys, you have
not lived until you've been down on the field pregame
with Nick Ferguson while he's yelling at the uniform guy,
the guy who inspect the uniforms to give the fines out, well,
he's heckling the uniform inspector.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Guy out there.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Uh that that has been the highlight of my uh
bab you know, because I get that I'm done on
the field before every game, but that, like that is
the highlight of my my life watching Nick Ferguson heckle
the uniform media guy.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
So he's given him a.
Speaker 6 (09:16):
Hard time because they're trying to crack down on the players.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yeah, he's a fight for a sock.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
You know.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
He's out there just like like heckling these dudes.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
He told a story I think once of losing thousands
and thousands of dollars on a stock Yeah lostalk thing.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah, I lost uh lost a sponsorship deal on h
on that one time. So these players, I mean, like
I get it, having been in a job that required
a uniform in the army and an exacting uniform specifications.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
I understand, you know where they're coming from on this,
but the.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Same top players gotta you gotta have that mindset.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
They're gonna they're gonna get you on that, you know.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Yeah, I also think this seems like a poor choice
of words at the least from Deshaun Elliott. They held
an eye on, Yeah, everything that the NFL's gone through
to in the past here, and we've seen them change
some policies or as a result of that incident flying
off the handle like that from Deshaun Elliott, I thought
maybe because of that recent incident, we could see a
suspension or something more extreme from the league.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
At least been the league for eight years, you should
know better.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Five.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Roger Goodell stated today that the NFL is planning on
launching two professional flag football leagues ahead of the twenty
twenty eighth Summer Olympic Games, one league for men, one
league for women. When do you think we'll see these
new leagues launched, if at all?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
And do you think there'll.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Be a successful TV product without NFL Stars.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I believe we'll see these things launched before twenty thirty,
and we'll see how that goes. A lot of it's
in the marketing. When are you gonna run these leagues?
Are these going to be spring leagues? You could have
NFL guys in there. If there's spring leagues, who.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Knows, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
A lot of it depends on exactly what the end
game product is, how they market it when it is,
how it's appealing to I mean, because if it's not
NFL guys, you could put it on during the summer
and then you know where we've got football during the summer.
Does that bite into lessons more? With the football products
in general, we've seen me spring leagues they do okay,
but they've not really resonated, you know. I mean they're
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sticking around a little bit, but they haven't really resonated.
I don't know a lot of this Again, it's just
going to depend on the product.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Is it fun to watch? If it's not fun to
watch while you watching.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
And I mean, maybe it could be a good product,
because as we've talked about regarding the Olympics, these flag
rules are pretty different.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
These flag players have different skills.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
The whole like squad running thing where they where they
dip down to trying to avoid getting their flags pulled
as opposed to these other spring leagues where you are
watching you know, C minus D plus football players at
the best.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, I think. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
The other part of this is marketable personalities. Have you
got personalities that people got to tune in for us?
You're finding out with the WNBA right all of a
sudden viewership took off. When you have marketable personalities, that
the biggest part about getting a sport going and people.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
That the fans could recognize.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
I think that's one area where flag football is gonna
have a huge uphill climb. You WNDA at least had
ncaa kind of farm developing.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Those person You can find some guys at the college
game that you know a little be like that, but
still you gotta find they got to be personalities that
they engage you and make you want to tune into
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Six need to find some he hates mees school.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
That's exactly what we're going through by seekers. Since twenty fifteen,
only eleven you kind of talked about those those rough
starts early on in the season earlier in this six pack.
Since twenty fifteen, only eleven of the eighty eight teams
to start one in three have made the postseason.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Which one in three or worst AFC team?
Speaker 4 (12:46):
You've got the Dolphins, the Jets, the Ravens, the Browns,
the Texans, the Titans.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
And the Raiders.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Do you think has the best chance of turning their
season around and reaching the postseason?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
What are the one in three teams? Again?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
One of the the raven Dolphins, sorry, the Dolphins, the Jets,
the Ravens, the Browns.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
The Texans, the Titans, and the Raiders. And I will say,
because you might immediately go to the Ravens or the Texans.
The Ravens and Texans play this week, one of those
teams likely drops to one and four. Only six teams
in NFL history have made the playoffs after dropping to
one and four.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah, I believe the Texans.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Uh soft division relatively speaking, and there they're a well
coach football team. They just they've got some issues on
the offensive side of the ball. Yeah. I don't buy
the Dolphins with the Jets even first second.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
He'll put the Rod Taylor in there and then the
Jets get interested. The Ravens, Yeah, there's too much too
much attrition the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Gino, it looks like the wheels are finally coming off
for him.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah, Texans, Yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
I think the Texans have a pretty good chance because
even with Lamar back, I mean, maybe they make some
crazy rundown the stretch, but that hole, they could be
a one in five hole. They played the Texans this week,
they get the Rams next week, then they get there
by you figure Lamar comes back after that, But with
all the talent they're already missing, it's gonna be hard
to climb out of.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
One in five.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
The Texans, I think you can argue, yes, they're having
these offensive struggles, but new offensive coordinator, almost entirely a
new offensive line, maybe their struggles can turn around in
a few weeks.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
In a way, it's it's kind of hard to buy
in with the Ravens. So yeah, to your.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Point, with the Texans and kind of an easier division.
I mean, if the Ravens can get to nine wins
after Lamar Jackson comes back, depending on what the Steelers
do down the stretch, I mean, the Browns and the
Bengals aren't gonna do much. So you think maybe you've
got a chance to squeeze in with nine to ten
wins from the AFC.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Nor maybe I mean you could be fishing for a
while card there. At the I just think the path
for the Texans is just easier. I mean, who's gonna
get who's gonna besides the Jags?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Who you know? They get? The Jags, the Colts, and
the Texans.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, the Titans, I mean, they stink that's too easy.
So you know, I mean the Jags they're three and one,
but are they really We'll see, like we need we
need a few more weeks to see if they're real
three and one or three, you know. And then you've
got the Colts they just lost.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
To the Rams. We'll see how long they're able to
keep that go ahead. That division just feels a little easier.
And yeah, cults are legit.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
I think that too, But it wouldn't be surprising if
Daniel Jones turns into a pumpkin.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I'm reserving judgment for that. I mean, they came out
at a.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Level that was like unsustainable, so you know, and then
Zavi and Howard retired. You know, they've got some some
atrician on the defensive side they're gonna have to figure out.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
And the Jags, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
That's one of those things where You're like, all right,
they're three and one, but are they really you know?
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Yeah, reminded me of the Vontae Davis situation, right, retired
in the middle of a game.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Another Colts cornerback though I think you retired when he
was with the Bills. But still there's something with Colts cornerbacks. Yeah,
hanging a Colts players me and Andrew Luck.
Speaker 6 (15:52):
Yeah yeah, good point, Just Sam, I don't like all
those comparisons coming out to Andrew Luck and Joe Burrow's career.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
The offensive lines.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Great, get on the phone and get him an offensive line.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
Give him to spend a little money on the right places.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I'm just Sam, say yours, thanks for doing the six pack.
Grat Spielberger will.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Come back here with you.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
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Speaker 2 (16:37):
Maybe a new one in the near future. Oh, don't
tease me like that. We'll see, we'll see. All right,
I'm back. Just when I think I'm out, you pull
me back in grant.
Speaker 7 (16:47):
Gonna go right off to Kamai comas Berth Hotline and
bring on good friend ours.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Brad Spielberger the Rector Football.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Administration with the NFLPA certified Agent at GC Sports Management,
formerly with the Pro Football Focus, obviously in the Vikings
Legal This is part of our ongoing series about what
is this job actually like?
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Rad Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Yeah, then turn me back. It's cool to be back
in a different capacity in the PFF days. So thanks
for grabbing me up.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yeah, absolutely, brother.
Speaker 7 (17:15):
And you're a newly minted NFL Players Association certified agent,
and I think a lot of fans don't understand the
rather arduous and frankly expensive process that that is.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Yeah, that's a cool series for sure.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
That is certainly something that I think a lot of.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
People don't truly understand the everything that goes into it
and all that you're required to do. I mean, the
test itself is twenty five hundred bucks to take. And
then as soon as you get the email that you
have been you know you passed the test, though to
speak is okay, congratulations. Here is the annual fee, and
here is the insurance you're required to take out, you know,
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to cover liability. So yeah, it is quite an expensive endeavor,
no question about it.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
The pass rate on that test, by the way, which
you pay twenty five hundred dollars pass or fail, is
not particularly high.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Do you remember what the exact pass rate is?
Speaker 3 (18:08):
I believe it's about a third, is it what I
want to say? I think it's around the area.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Yeah, it's to say, it's roughly thirty six percent I
believe of people that pass this test. You pay twenty
five hundred dollars and only about thirty six percent of
people pass this test to get that, and then of course,
you know you talked about it's twenty five out of
dollars fee. You got to take out the liability insurance,
the annual fee on top of that, and that's just
just to get started. Now you've got to go out
and get clients, and you can maximum only charge three
(18:34):
percent as as an agent, three percent of that contract.
So you're you're probably in the hole early on for
quite some time before you get a player that can
get to that second contract and start to pay for itself.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yeah, this is why there's many reasons, reasons why there's
been so much consolidation in the agency space. We could
probably have an entire show just talking about that. But
you know, I think a huge component of that is
the reason why you see the genesis a lot of
agent careers is guys go to the mecca agency, the
giant shops that I'm not gonna I'm not gonna give
any free publicity, but you know, you fans have all
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heard them knowing I'm caaa big games out there that
that are just in the entertainment and talent agency space. Anyway,
they go there to kind of, you know, work their
way up the ladder, pay their dues, all those good cliches,
because a, you might get your dues paid for or
your test paid for. But then be more importantly, another
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little wrinkle that people don't know about. Two, if you
don't sign a client and have a player sign an
NFL contract in three years after getting your certification, you
lose it. It lapses, so you can't really just get
it pay all this money and start from square one,
or you can, but it's a massive, massive risk, you know,
whereas other people that work at established shops. You can
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then get your name on one of those player contracts and
you don't just lose your search. So yeah, the barrier
to entry is about its highes could possibly make it.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
And that's without getting into the cash outlays, you know,
a training try to get a guy, you know, combine
prepp to all that kind of stuff, all the additional
expenses that the average fan probably doesn't even consider that
somebody comes in because you see a lot of this stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I see it all the time on social media.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
People backlash and why these guys even have agents, And
I'm like, dude, do you understand how much an agent
does or how little money they actually do it for.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Yeah, it's a good point. I appreciate that. Yeah, I
mean it's also I think there are really so many
things that go into, you know, a career for a
football player. You essentially become a brand. You're an entity.
You are so much more than just playing football. But
if you want to solely focus your time, effort, and
energy on playing football, you have to delegate those aspects
of your life to somebody else.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
And so that's really what it is.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
And you know, I'll say this though too, it's it's
very very cool to be able to work with someone
invest in them and obviously you know they invest back
in you and trusting you and believe in you, and
you know, it's this amazing mutually beneficial relationship that really
it is a business relationship, but at least in our opinion,
the way it's done right is it becomes a family
and a personal relationship. Like yeah, I mean, it's there's
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there's so much that goes into it. And in a
weird way, this this nil world, which I know is
not what you had me on, but it's kind of
all part of the same process has made these guys
pros earlier in their life. They they've handled money, they've
dealt with you know, more media and and and all
this stuff. And so it's less of a kind of
a culture shot going to the NFL because they've kind
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of seen some of it. But but yes, there's a
lot that goes into the day to day of an
NFL player.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Well, there's a lot that goes into the day to
day of an NFL's agent.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
There are different tasks that that you guys performed that
the fans may not be aware of. What is a
typical plate for an NFL agent in terms of what
they are trying to do during a day.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Yeah, so you touched on some of the training stuff
and so recovery, performance, anything to boost the ability and
maximize the abilities of your player obviously on the field,
but then I think in a lot of ways, you know,
agents would probably are you can make more of an
impact off the field. So you know, a lot of
guys have their own foundation, so you're setting up five
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oh one three c's and helping maybe manage that charity
or that foundation. You then are of course looking into
marketing deals and trying to help them earn some compensation
off the field as well. And then obviously there's a
true nitty gritty the grind of you know, do you
have a guy who's maybe on a practice cluaud right
now that you're trying to get elevated or signed to
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go somewhere else. You have a guy and if he
isn't our roster, you're trying to get some some workouts
and tryouts to get on a you know, a club
of sixty three man roster. So it's really you know,
it's so much and it changes every single day, which
you know, if you're ADHD like me, I love no
two days ever the same, which is kind of a
beauty of the Cabulieve from my perspective talk.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
With Brad Spielberger.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
You guys can find him on Twitter at Spielberger Brads
or fight Agents and you can find him. But Grand
Central Sports Management, Uh, what are you players here on.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
The Denver Broncos. Q Robinson?
Speaker 1 (23:03):
We love here in Denver? Uh, what can you tell
us about Q that we might not know?
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Yeah, So, like Q is the hot buzzy name of
all of the off season and training camp in mini camp,
and we got to get our guy active and get
him out there and make him make some splash plays
like he did in the preseason with some for st
fumbles and all that good stuff. So I know that's
going to come. You know, he's gonna be a phenomenal
Bronco and be sacking the quarterback with all those good
addressers that have there soon. But yeah, I mean you've
probably seen it fans that follow the socials and all
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that Q is in love with the charitable aspects of
being an NFL player, probably in every single social post
if they're working with kids or going to different clubs
and and just hanging out with fans and giving back
to the community. You know, it's the kids from Birmingham
that's not living out in Denver, Colorado. Uh, definitely of
a different landscape and he's just fully embraced it and
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uh and love the people he's interacted with so far.
And yeah, so it's been great off the field, but
it's time to making plays on the field and getting
in there.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Uh, real quick.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
On the text line, we had some people texting in
some questions for you, Brad, if you don't mind answering,
I got one here that says, Okay, if I wanted
to be an NFL agent, where would I start?
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Yeah, So first, you know, I kind of just touched
on you might want to have some sort of backing
or work through some connections there, but which you know
is obviously easier than said than done. But the big
thing is you have to know the NFL CBA, which
is a public document. You know, you have to have
a pretty strong grasp on a lot of different components
of of what that collective bargaining agreement entails who were
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the effective parties, how does it work, and the different
hypothetical scenarios that would apply, you know, if you were
representing a player. But yeah, if you wanted to reach
out to the NFL PAT to sign up to take
the exam, they do send you basically, Hey, here's every
piece of material that may be tested on. Now go
learn it and then you know, come back to us
and take the exam. But yeah, that's the long and
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short of it.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Is there any prerequisites to becoming a player agent in
the NFL other than obviously taking and passing the certification?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I believe you do have to have either a postgraduate
degree or a bachelor's degree plus x number of years
working in a certain capacity related to the field. I
don't don't quote me on that one. It's on the website,
But yeah, there is. There are a couple more hurdles
to clear, you know, before we're even allowed to be
to be administered them.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Another one here, you may you may not want to
answer this one.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I don't know, but I'll ask it of you anyway,
And this is how do you go about recruiting players?
Speaker 5 (25:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:36):
So you know you can't recruit until you're an agent.
So you know, that's that's not a question for me.
That's the that's the life that I'm now about to explore,
you know, is how to navigate that process and how
to go through that. But you know, I think you
probably could use your imagination and just kind of think through,
you know, how you sell yourself and your services to players.
But yeah, I definitely don't want to dive into that
too much more.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah, obviously don't want to give away any trade secrets there,
but I thought I thought i'd try anyway, talk with
Brad Spielberger at Spielberger Brad guys on Twitter. Uh.
Speaker 7 (26:05):
Now, you previously obviously back.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
In the day with with pro football focused. Do you
believe that that helped give you a leg up? That
employment there helped give you a leg up into exploring
this path?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
And was this something you always know that you wanted
to do.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Yeah, so I obviously had the contract you know, component
of my job there, and that's why I was at THEFF,
and you know it started doing more research projects with
directly with NFL clubs and working with different analytics departments
or maybe the football administration, you know, the contract groups
at the different NFL teams and then just started talking
to agents and working with agents, and you know, some
kind of heard about the work we were doing on
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the club side. So yeah, I mean it certainly did.
I would say on an individual level though, I think
it proved to me that you know, I've I've watched
enough film and evaluated players and also obviously you know,
the data nerd side and using that and leveraging that
as well. It made me realize that I could contribute
be a valuable contributor to identifying talent as well as
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working through the actual nitty gritty of signing those plays.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Right, last one for me here, what advice would you
impart to anybody who's you know, who's eyeball in this
path or maybe in college right now listening and has
this path in front of them as their dream goal.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
For sure, you know, I would just say, you know,
it's it's a connection business, and I know plenty are,
but it really is a industry where you need to
just make sure that you don't miss out on any
network networking opportunities or going to different conferences or doing
whatever you can to just get your foot in the
door to talk to people. You never know when someone
might need, you know, help with a certain thing. And
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as much as this isn't super enticing, I probably did
free work for a dozen agents before I got paid
to work the one, right, So it's just that's just
the nature of business and the life we live in.
But it's certainly going to help you, and in your
naging you pass around. It's a pretty small group. It
actually is a pretty small fraternity of people, and if
you do good work in an exempify that you are
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capable and competency, you probably will get recommended to someone eventually.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Brad Spielberger at Spielberger Brad on Twitter, certified agent over
there at Grand Central Sports Management.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Hey, I appreciate the time and good luck out there, brother,
appreciate it. Thank you, absolutely take care.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I always love getting a chance to talk to somebody
who has done he is living here, you know, around
the league, and Brad certainly that guy.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Brad's been around for a long time known Brad.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Forsh how long now, more years than I care to
admit at this point, I think about a decade. But yeah, Brad,
Brad's a guy who was you know, was it too
laid law worked with the Vikings Legal department for a
little while. He used to be a pro football focus
and happy for him he just just got his nfl
PA certification for the agent. It really is an expensive process,
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I will say that, And if you're somebody out there
that's looking to become an agent, you need to be
saving your pennies ahead of time because it really is.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
An ex expensive process. But I think Brad hit.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
On some some major major points to this, and that
is this business and I can attest to it too.
It really is who you know. You've got to find
ways to get to be that. And I would suggest
going to places like the Shrine Game or the Senior Bowl,
going out to the Combine and just doing just networking
all the time. Find ways to be creative and network.
One of the most creative ways to network was a
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guy that didn't even have an agent, wound up getting one.
He went out to the combine, wasn't invited, long snapper
from ECU, guy named Charlie Coggins, and he was sitting
there in the bathroom and he would hang out in
the lurk in the bathrooms either at the Combine or
across the street at the restaurants with beer cooozies with
his name on it in his position, and like a
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website that he put up that he slapped together because
he desperately wanted to be a long snapper in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
He's an undersized guy.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Wound up getting a couple of cup Ron Rivera, wound
up meet him in the bathroom, brought him out and
had him in with the Carolina Panthers for a minute. Gambled, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
back when he was with the Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
I'm gonna get Charlie on. I had to talk to
Charlie anumber of ye.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
We had him on the show when I had when
I first did did stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
I think, gosh, how long goes that?
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Twenty twenty eighteen, I guess we had him on. We
had him on for a minute at that. I'll have
to get Charlie back on. See what he's doing now.
You think he's doing financial stuff. But what a great
story though, Yeah, yeah, this is a guy who's been
done on yourself, just bet on himself. Driv paid for
himself to go up there to Indianapolis and lurking in
the bathrooms with beer koozies and coasters and business cards,
and whatever else, just trying to get his name out there,
see if he gets somebody to bite and and you know,
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so Brad is a guy and going back to the
networking portion of this is a guy who's been around
and all these different things networking and now betting on
himself as an agent. I honestly thought about doing that
for quite some time, getting my certification and see, you know,
just just to have it. Over the years, some of
the locker room connections, guys frustrated with their agents, that
kind of thing. You know, I've kind of thought about
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thought about doing something like that and creating an agency
where and this is my I'll give it out free
on the air. This was sort of my idea. It was,
you know that three percent that fee, except that basically
I'm only paying myself one percent out of that and
the other two percent goes into a fund that once
these guys were growth fund and once these guys retire,
(31:11):
there's a little bit of retirement coming out of the
you know, the fee that they've they fronted and believed
in me. So it's it would be an agency that
invested back in uh its own players. As far as
that kind of stuff goes that'd be a pretty good
selling point. Yeah, you know, I mean because I mean
for me, I would be getting into it for you know,
to make a ton of money or whatever I got
being I'm all right, I'm comfortable. But the idea behind
that would be to to get something to get back
(31:33):
to because so many of these agents out there, uh.
And Brad is not going to sell anybody out on
the air, but a lot of these agencies out there,
especially these mega ones, are are predatory, right. They try
to get you in, get as much money out of
you as they can. They'll recommend you to their guys
as far as financial advisors go and marketability, and they're.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Getting cuts off of that. Uh. And the minute that
you're done, they're done with you, you know.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
And so that that's the thing they'll they'll they want
these boutique agencies to pay for.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
All your upfront, the you know, the combine and all that.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Then as soon as you hit the league, they're like,
where're the big guys, we can get your second contract
youah blah blah blah, and they go they poach you
from from the boutique agencies and then try to make
the money off you. And then they're done with you,
they go and that's what happened with guy you know,
guys like Torella Owens, and you know seeing over the
years guys go broke after they played. My idea was
to create something that would allow guys to uh make
a little bit of make money and then have a
(32:21):
little bit of money on the back end when they
get done.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
Yeah, and you hear hear all those stories like you
mentioned Torell Owens, just people like taking advantage of you,
and that would be the hardest part as a player,
you know, not never having to deal with this money
at this amount before.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
And then who do you trust with that money? Yeah,
because you do need someone. I mean a lot of
these guys don't know. I mean I don't know what
I would do with all that money.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
And you know where to put it and how to
how to make it last because your career is only
gonna last ten years hopefully.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
But most likely five.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Yeah, the average NFL career is much much shorter, like three, right,
it's like two, like two and a half. You know,
most guys don't make it to a second contract, and
so having having a plan behind all that, The idea
for me was you know, okay, well we put you know,
we create a growth fund out of the other two
percent that you're you know, out of the other two
percent you're paying me. Uh, and then five years after
(33:11):
you retired, you can take money out of that growth fund,
you know, based on what you put into it.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
And you know, the idea would be to.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Give those guys a little bit of a security blanket
a few years down the line that you know, once
they're retired, that they could they could take that capital to.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Do something else with s I. You know.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Anyway, that's my idea. We'll see if that that ever
pounds out. I appreciate you guys listening to night. We
got bus Prime Time coming up here in just a
few any final thoughts there, uh, grants.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
On Brad Spielberg, I think that was super interesting. I
love going behind the curtain of what these rfects of
the NFL.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yeah, we're gonna do some more of those coming up.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
I got some front office guys that are gonna gonna
jump on the show.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
We'll kind of kind of tell you what guys do.
So we got about front time come up next year.
On koh, Hey, you've been listening to Broncos Country tonight.
You just dropped your pants right away, and then I
kind of shut down. Though Aric Tara Ways was a
mistake at hindsight,
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