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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:33):
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Speaker 2 (00:36):
But see you buffs, and what they did down there
Central Florida, and what we can look forward to, uh in.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Their next game.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Nick, I you know I had that one peggell wrong
I called, uh Central Florida running the football. If I
thought they were gonna be a lot more effective than
they were. They were not uh see you out there
and put it on them. And to be honest with you,
see you didn't uh you s have to not have
a defensive game plan for see.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
You can you I didn't really hear you too well
on my headset, So can you can you repeat that
first part of that statement?
Speaker 4 (01:07):
You were what I thought I was wrong.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
It turned out I was mistaken.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Oh okay, no.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
No, listen, man.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
A lot of people going into that game thought that
that was going to be an overreach for CU, especially
after very emotional win against Baylor the week before. And
I know we talked about gulfsmazone.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
He was really big on running the ball. But you know,
Robert Epstein defense, they showed up.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
It wasn't one of that first half of the Nebraska game,
but they showed up big time.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
They did.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Let's go out to the kawait commenter's part, how hot
lined the I'm bring on Roby being romy from CBS.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
How you doing?
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Oh, I'm good, and you know what, pretty good, guys,
pretty good. We got like wins talk about lately. So
it's been pleasant.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yeah, it really has. There's a surprise. I think weekend
for Denver football.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I think a lot of people thought SeeU a fourteen
point dog, the UCF was goingt a struggle.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
I was one of them. And then you look at it.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
The Broncos taken on the Jets, another one where they
weren't favored, but they managed to got out a win.
And as we look at this, you know, right now
things are shaping up real nice for SeeU over there
at the Big twelve, and the Broncos certainly have a
slate of games ahead over the next couple of weeks
that look eminently winnable.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know which one to start with,
but like if we start in the NFL and we
usually split in the game, the season up by quarters,
if you will. This second quarter, you got home games
with the Raiders, Chargers, Panthers, and then you're going to
New Orleans, and New Orleans obviously started out hot, but
they've tapered a little bit. You're looking at it and saying, wow,
I mean, this is a great stretch. And I think
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the stretch after this stretch is that when they have
Kansas City Baltimore, there's like a tough couple of games
in a row. So this kind of is a crucial stretch,
but certainly a lot of winnable games for the Broncos
all of a sudden, which is really exciting. And then
you look at the bus. They're actually favored the rest
of the year outside of Kansas State, And you look
at most of those games, and I think there's a
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majority of those are there's a winnable paths to most
of them as well. But of course, now it's kind
of that time of year we start to learn about teams.
Right who's the September pretender? So we're gonna find out.
But both these teams have a chance to get some dubs.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Well well, I mean, I want to think on the
bus for just a second. How shot were you to
see past Rummers offense actually run the ball and run
it as effectively as they did?
Speaker 5 (03:29):
Okay, well, I you know what, I got to give
credit work credits due. I have been pleased with pass
drums play calling. We've all dogged on Pat but he
has obviously him and Shador have a great connection. I
really have thought he's done a really good job with
the play calling, especially in the last couple of weeks.
The commitment to the run, I mean, this is a
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team that running the ball for two three hundred yards
the game is just simply not in their offensive identity.
That's not who they are, and that's okay, but they
have committed to running the all what they need to
so that it can open things up for Shador. I've
really liked what he's done. I've liked some of the
calls he's called for Shador as well. They clearly are
very much so on the same page. And I think
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the offensive is running efficiently. The offensive line is coming up.
You know, it's it's probably the weakest point on the team,
but I liked what I saw from UCF. UCF doesn't
have a particularly strong defensive front, but it is a
unit that continues to get better. And I think that
is my biggest takeaway from SeeU so far, is that
this team has gotten better every single game and you
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can't really ask for much more. And we look at
that UCF game, that was one of the most complete
games of CEU football I have watched in a very
long time. I never thought we'd be sitting here saying
Deion Sanders outcuch ghost Gus Maldan, but he output coached
out coached Gus Maldon. He did it. I mean, that
was a well coached game, block management, all the things
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that were questions. They really stepped up in this UCF one.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
They did. They're going to need to continue to get better.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Got a tough ask with Kansas State coming up here
to Boulder.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
In the next game.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
That figures to be a tougher defense to score on.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I mean, I'm trying not.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
To say negative things about Pat Shermer right now because
they're winning and the offense is playing well, but it's interesting,
great to my DNA. Are they going to be able
to run the ball effectively against k State? Because it
feels like if we continue down this shador my late season,
having taken so many hits, puts himself at risk.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Yeah, I mean, it's going to be a challenge, but
it's simply they just simply have to and they're going
to commit to the run. Dallan Hayden being back is big.
You know, he comes out there. I think that he
the more they can play him and Michael Welch, then
you have a really nice tandem, and that seems like
a duo that everybody feels really confident behind. It seems
like they I don't know if they couldn't find or
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didn't have feel like they had the big guys. When
I had Prime on my show with It last week
with Michael Welch talked about one thing a year. Like Mike,
it's more than he just back. He's really good, you know,
reading the protections at passpro as well, So I think
that's really interesting for a freshman. But he said, you know,
he's been there since spring. And I think Dallan Hayden
is powerful and he can make an impact, and I
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think they go through with the two of them. There's
something really to be said there. But it is to
what you said. They have to run the ball simply
because Shador well he's got a lot more than just
this season, right. You can't get hurt just getting taken
down all the time, so there's really no option. You
have to run the ball. But the truth is, when
I look at the CU team, what I most impressed
with guys as the defense. They've been unbelievable. I was
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not expecting this. They haven't given up more than seven
points in the second half, and I think that's something
to be said for how they continue to get better.
Robert Livingston has been fantastic with the players he had.
They play a lot of man, I feel like there's
a lot of questions about that, but they've answered the
bell so far. Like you said, Case, it's the next
big test. So now this is a game they're not
favored in. How do they answer after the week off,
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right after this big high? Do you see this is
gonna be a much tougher defensive Case State team. I
think we're gonna learn a lot.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
About you with the Broncos now being two and two,
where most individuals earlier in the season had them one
in three at this particular point, and knowing all the
injuries that the Raiders have, is this or could this
be set up as a trap game for the Broncos.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
I'm so glad you said that, Nick, because here's the thing.
Raiders are hot mess right now, But the Raiders are
always a hot mess, and the Broncos have lost to
them eight times in a row. And I think you
bring up a really good point because there's been so
many times since their last win in twenty since the
Broncos last win over the Raiders in twenty nineteen, that
you've been like, oh my gosh, the Raiders are you know,
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a mess or this is going on, or there's this
drama or this coach got fired or whatever it is,
and yet they always seem to come and beat the Broncos.
So it has to be something that it's big headline
drama with Devanta Adams, you know obviously what's going on
with Antonio, with Pierce right like, all of this stuff
is happening. It's a lot of drama, But the Broncos
have to stay focused and they have to find a
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way to win because it could totally be a trap game.
You look at it, No DeVante you know or oh,
you know. The Broncos defense has been fantastic.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Gardner Minshew.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
That feels like a good attack for them, but they
can't You simply can't overlook it because it feels like
there has been so many winnable ones over the last
eight ones that the Broncos also sort of won because
the Raiders were a mess. So I think they really
got to stay focused. And you bring up an excellent point.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
We were talking with Rick Lewis a little bit earlier.
You know, can the Broncos get this offense on track?
The defense has been stellar, but if you get if
you get a couple of wins here, but the offense
doesn't seem to be getting on track because the quarterback
isn't there. Do you think that Sean Payton could pivot
to a Jared Stidham down the stretch if his team's
winning in spite of the offense.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
I don't think so. I think that, you know, when
you say that, somebody said to me, I can remember
it was Shontayton looked kind of like bummed after that
Jets game. I don't think that was necessarily the fact,
But I think perhaps you could be between the tea
leaves and he wants to win offensively, right, He doesn't
necessarily want to be known as a defensive power out team,
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you know, so to speak. So I think that Sean Payton,
you know, in some ways stakes his legacy on bow next.
You know, people have said that, and I just don't
think that unless Bo absolutely crumbles. It's hard for me
to see him switching mid season because I think he's,
you know, gonna want to prove that he can get
him right and that this is he chose this quarterback
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for a reason. So for me, it feels hard, that
feels like a stretch for me to say yeah, he
would do that unless Bo just absolutely carumbles right.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Well, Roby. You know, Sunday is a big game for
a lot of reasons.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
A lot of festivitis going on, as far as Brockle's
alumni weekend, Baron s. Treves and Steve Fody going into
the Ring of Fame, and Randy Bradishaw is going to
be acknowledged finally. But the biggest thing for a lot
of players and fans is the uniforms, the throwback uniforms.
Do you think that it's more of an incentive for
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the guys to go out to play well and doesn't
add a sense of pressure for them?
Speaker 5 (10:19):
You know, I think it was fun hearing all the
guys this week talk about how excited they were about it.
I had Nick Bonito on my show this week and
I asked him, like, is it like what Dion said? Right?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Look good, feel good, play good.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
He's like absolutely, And they love the thread, so they
really like him. I think that they'll want to and
I want to win for that reason. But you know
what's funny. I was filming a show with Nate Jackson
that we have that airs every week today, and he
brought up a good point. You know, it wasn't that
many years ago when it was the Mike Shanahan game,
right and he was getting Clinton the ring of same
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in the Broncos Blacks. So I do think that's motivation.
But I think at the end of the day, it's
all what happens between the white lines, and you got
to focus on that and not get caught up in
the hooper. I think there's going to be a lot
of fanfare, a lot of alumni fair like, a lot
going on this weekend, and you know, you're back at
home for the first time in a while, so tickets
and all that stuff, and I think they really got
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to hone in and focus and almost eliminate all those
distractions because there's a lot this weekend.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Yeah, there is a lot.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
And we're talking with CBS as Roby be and Romey
as we look at this thing. This it's starting to
kind of break nicely here for the Broncos. You've got
banged up Raiders team. You'll well overlook it, but you
got a bang up Raiders team, it's got a ton
of drama.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
You got a banged up Chargers team.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
After that, and it sets up nicely before a prime
time return to New Orleans for Sean Payton.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
If his team can get.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
The quarterback go or if they can get the offense
going on this thing, you know, sky's the limit. I
don't think anybody was suggesting that the Denver Broncos are
going to be super Bowl contenders. I don't think they're
suggesting it now. But they've got a super Bowl caliber defense,
and you get the offense going on this thing, and
all of a sudden, you know you might be a
ten win football team.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
I mean, you just got to get the offense go
and a little bit weak by really, because that's how
good this defense is right now. I mean, Bonick couldn't
be in a better position. You've got so much breathing
room right now because of how good this defense is.
And so it's like you just need a little bit
more right from that offense every single week. So even
if you can just start clicking with some of the
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receivers and start clicking just you know, I think he's
made good decisions. I think all these things. I think
you look at that Jets game. I know the weather
was crazy, but he was really uncomfortable. So I think
he's still settling in right still a rookie. So if
he gets a little bit more comfortable each week and
really starts clicking, I totally agree with you. I think
there's a lot more winnable games on this schedule. And
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I know it's an offensive league. I know it's a
quarterback league, but I one of those people shout out
to meet Unich. I love good defense. I'm here. I'm
a defensive girl. I'm a defensive stand So this has
been a fun reason for me so far.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Well sign me up for defense, but also sign me
up for a good running game. And Ben and I
talked about it, you know, the other day when he
comes to the running back position, because looking at the
Tampa game, there was a fun by Javonte and it
seemed like after that maybe the coaching staff or maybe
Sean Payton fell out of love with him, but he
fell back in love with him in New York City.
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So on Sunday, are we going to get more of
a cohesive offense featuring Javonte on Sunday?
Speaker 5 (13:24):
I hope so. I think a lot of it with
the run game, too, is about rhythm. It's hard to
put these guys in and then take them out, and
then they never see him again. So hey, Javonte, you know,
got himself going. It was great to see. I think
he needed that kind of a game and so to
see that, I just hope they just keep it going
because I think it's you got to keep him in
the rhythm, keep hot, keep them going. And it was
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one of the cliches saying the run game is the
quarterback's best friend. You got to keep doing that again
as though continues to develop, so he can have a
strong run game that also gives him a little more
breathing room to feel more comfortable. So you got to
do it. You got to run the name ball.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
How much have you been impressed by the season and
the debut for Riley Moss. You know, I thought he
had some huge shoes to step into there, being the
guy opposite patzer Tan and Jake Won McMillan. But I
think he's se quitted himself incredibly.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Well.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
I've been more than impressed.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
I have.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
He has absolutely excited my expectations because he's for a
guy that I mean, you look at all those you know,
graphics that came out this week of how little really
passed and thrown up. You know, it's what less than
eighty I don't know, it's crazy or less than eighty, sorry,
less than I don't know how many, dad, I don't know, right,
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so few targets less than like eighty yards he's given up,
and so the other side is just so exposed. Normally
that guy gets really really burned. I thought he would
be get burned at least a couple of times already.
I've been really impressed with his game also, just on
as Surrey level when you talk to him and you
know his attitude and didn't didn't he play at Iowa?
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Here you so he's used to low scoring offenses. This
is like this is Ryle the boss is good. You're good. Here.
He knows what he has to do. But right, this
is not unfamiliar. But I've been very impressed. There's so
much pressure when you're playing across that and to step up.
And he's got a really cool head. When you talk
to him in the locker room too, you know, he
kind of seems a little bit older than he is.
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So shout out to him, and shout out to alex
Oski call him. I call him al Pal, al Pal.
I mean another guy that I think everybody thought was
gonna get run over. Hasn't placed a guy like a
Mexican V yet, right, but he has been he's played physical,
he's played well. I've been really impressed with him as well.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah, myself as well.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
It's gonna bring some interesting questions up once Glinche comes back.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Romy.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
We always appreciate you taking the time to join us.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
We always appreciate you having you, having you on.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Here on Brokos Country tonight.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
You guys are the best.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
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Speaker 2 (15:55):
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All Bright, Nick Ferguson, we'll be back after this. Welcome
back to it Broncos Country Tonight, Benjamin Albright, Nick Ferguson,
Grant Smith here with you. There's still some kwakoozies here
as well. I know that's it's a big incentive. Got
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some ka bumper stickers. I'm gonna put those on Nick
car when he's not looking.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
You put on my car.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
And then, first of all, I've already give your shirt away.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Why would you say you're gonna put them on my car?
When I'm not looking, and then just you verbalize it.
So now I'm watching you, now.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
You're watching me like well a matter of fact, he's
taking the bumper stickers and just take it literally, hiding
the bumper stickers now five six, six nine zeros of text.
I Broughto's got a Ring of Fame, cere, I'm only
coming up this weekend. Got a couple of inductions there.
How do you feel about the Broncos Ring of Fame?
So everybody out there that we got to get in
the Broncos Ring of Fame that isn't yet. Yeah, Ed McCaffrey,
he said, in the Ring of Fame.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
No he's not.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
I was in McAffrey, not the Ring of Fame.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
That's the thing, right, that's the thing that's in question.
How is he not? And I know when it comes
to getting into the Pro Football.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Hall of Fame, there are guys like Jeff Legwall who's
done a great job of help pushing former Broncos players
across the finish line. But when it comes to the
Ring of Fame, who are the individuals voting on this?
And and and that's gonna be one of the questions.
I asked this weekend. As guys come into town, I'm
going to go up to them individually and ask them
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who is not in the Ring of Fame.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
That should be a good pole.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Go, well, you're gonna be in the booth of one
of the people I think the votes on ituse I
believe Dave Logan's a part of that committee.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Now, Well, if Dave is, I am going to put
him on a spot and ask him that question. Yeah,
and if Dave said, you know what, that would be
one of the guys that I have carried the torch for.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
And I'm gonna tell him he needs to carry more
tiki torches. We need more tor more torches were fired.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
We're gonna, yeah, that's what we're We're gonna break the
torches week And mccafy wasn't in the Ring of Fame.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
That's that's one of the bunch.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
I just always assumed that he wants. I guess he's not.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
How can you forget, because if I'm not mistaken, it
was on both of those back to back teams.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that that one doesn't like. And
that's that's the thing. I had so thought that he
was that I never even it never conceived. It never
conceptualized for me that that that he wasn't. So that's fast. Yeah,
then he definitely belongs. Do we get DT in there yet?
Probably need to get him in there?
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Well, I'm sure that that is something that is on
the mind of the group that votes for that, trying
to get DT in And I know that that's kind
of a very emotional part of uh the Broncos story
into Mary's story. But even with that being said, man,
I would have to think that you got to put
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an McCaffrey in first.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
You have to you you would think, I mean, that's
that's one of those things, and you would think he's
you know, he's been around for longer obviously and predates
all that, so that we'd think, you he would get
his turn that that kind of thing as we look
at not just the Ring of Fame, also the Hall
of Fame. Is the anybody out there that you're you're
just bagging the drum that we need to.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Get in the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Hell, yes, Rod Smith? How about that? Rod Smith?
Speaker 1 (19:08):
And Mike san Mike Shanahan for sure, love Rod. So
I'm was a Tuesday, I guess it was, And I
think that's gonna be a.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Tougher Ask why, because the way that the game is
viewed now, statistical accomplishment is viewed now what Rod did
or where he was at the time versus all these
glut of receivers that they need to get in. There's
another receiver that needs to get it. Henry Ellert needs
to get in there, and he's been languishing forever. When
he was hired, he was the second leading receiver in
football behind Jerry Rice. You know, there's That's the thing
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with production being what it is now, it doesn't make
it look like people who knew Rod Smith or were
watching the brocas at the time knew how special he was.
But the modern era, the modern era fan may not
understand how special it was because the numbers aren't, you know,
the same as some of these guys that you know
that the numbers seem I don't want to say pedestrian,
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but the number seems smaller when you compare to some
of the stuff. And of course you got an extra
game now on top of it. I I you know,
I'd love to see.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Rod in there.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
I think Rod's a Hall of Fame dude, you know,
I mean definitely has the Hall of Fame personal. He
always helps us out with the the the charity that
we do every single at the yeah, at the end
of the year, Heroes, thank you. He's you know, he's
gracious with his time and all that kind of stuff.
And I love hearing them on KOA when he you know,
he goes there to talk at That's probably one that,
uh that I think needs to be in there. Steve's
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been backing the table for Dennis Smith back in the day.
That's that's another tough you know, I just don't know
that he the Hall of Fame. There's a there's a
component to it, like almost a star power component to it.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Rod's got that.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
I don't know that Dennis Smith had it, you know
what I mean, Like the name doesn't carry the same
cachet that Steve Atwater's name did. And you know, it's
not the whole of statistical accomplishment. It is the Hall
of Fame, whether you know Dennis Smith deserves it or not.
It's it's tough when you haven't sort of had that
media press. You know, you had guys cozy up to
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media lately, and that's kind of how they do it,
you know, cozy after the media.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Guys try to get to the voters and that kind
of thing. We said, your own BetUS do that.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
But even with that being said, Ben, the long as
you wait, the more those names start to fade away.
That's kind of what happened with Randy Gratishaw. And that's
why it took him so long. When you look at
what Rob was able to do as an undrafted guy
and being a pivotal part of those back to back
Super Bowls, that that has to count for something. It
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was he a household name like Michael Irban, No, because
Rob was a very humble guy. And when you look
at Irvan Urban playing it the you me, me me,
look look at the name.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
On the back.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Rod wasn't that guy. Rob was more about what team first.
And if you asked Rod what mattered more your statistical
numbers or the team winning, He's gonna tell you winning.
So that's a lot of unselfish play where a receiver
is willing to give up his yards for the betterment
of the team and blocking for guess what throa Davis
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who is now in the Pro Football Hall of.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Fame, right And and I think that that's you know again,
I think that there are aspects of Rod's game that
that helped make that Broncos team great, but they're not
quantifiable in the same sense that when people look at receivers,
they're like yardage and touchdowns, you know, and not that
not the Rod didn't have yardage touchdowns, Ye have plenty,
but it's it's I feel like that's gonna be tougher
on a national perspective. Broncos fans all know Rod Smith
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belongs to the whole fame, but the question is selling
that nationally and how how do you get a campaign
going on that one? You know what, what's Rod's signature moment?
Because you know, for Steve it's the hit on a cooler.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Atlanta Falcons Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Yeah, the post Okay, okay, you wanted one, I gave
you and it was over.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
What was it? What was it?
Speaker 1 (22:48):
You usually Robinson?
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Robinson?
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Yeah, have been somewhere else.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
I'm just saying that was Rod. That's one of Rod's
signature moments.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
I remember when we were playing against the Chargers at
home and we were banged up from a return standpoint,
Gus who went in not only received and caught the punt,
but scored a touchdown in that game Rod freaking Smith.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
So it all depends on how you look at it.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
And when we look at some of the guys in
the Hall of Fame, some of those guys played on
Hall of Fame teams and they had larger than life names.
But to me, that is not one of the prerequisites
of getting in the Hall, because we look at your numbers,
how do you compare it to the guys that you
played against in your era. You know, we know that
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more games is given more receiverings, an opportunity to expand
the lead as far as receiving yards, but also just
the real changes as well. So once again, we we
got to start giving those guys flowers who played in
those eras where football was real football.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Well, and that's part of the thing that I guess
I'm getting at. It's a tough sell for people who
don't understand what the game was in that era. You know,
Rod Smith came through at the end of the Eye
formation era, right like he was, he was there for
the tail end of the I formation era in his career,
didn't really bleed over into the you know, kind of
into the spread era once.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
You know, Peyton Manning came on the League, and we.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Started spreading things out and between you know that that
era in earnest, the golden era of passing is that
were really kind of started between somewhere between you know,
ninety eight, ninety nine and two thousand and seven. You know,
there was where that really really sort of took off.
I think when when you look at it, that it's
that that's why it's tough.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
It's it's tough to compare relatively across eras.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Because people don't remember like in the you know, it's
just like the people you know from this to try
to compare them to the people who played in the
late seventies where it was you know, you could commit
felony assault on a.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Wide receiver and get away with it and all that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
And you know, you listen to Dave Logan, you know,
talking about what was legal when when he was playing,
you know, and and so I think it's I think
a lot of people sort of they look at the
raw numbers and they don't contextualize with the state of
the game at the time.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
All Right, So Michael Irvin is in a Hall of
fame a little less than.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Twelve thousand yards receiver to you Bigzach eleven nine hundred
and four yards.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Okay, how many touchdowns?
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Sixty five?
Speaker 3 (25:20):
So Rod had eleven thousand, three hundred and eighty nine
yards receiver sixty eight touchdowns, right, So if we're trying
to compare apples to apples, Rod had more touchdowns and
guess what, Michael Irvan was a drafted player.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Rod Smith wasn't.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
So I like to think that that's an aspect of
the game when you're comparing apples to apples, that should
be taken in consideration. I mean, does it change things
because Michael Urban played for the Dallas Cowboys and they
were considered to be America's team, even though I don't
think they were america team?
Speaker 4 (25:53):
How can you shut.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Rod out knowing as though his numbers are comparable to
that of Michael Irvin.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
I mean, again, I think it comes down to the
fame aspect of it, because Michael Irvi was on everybody's
TV because the Dallas Cowboys were on national television every
week before broadcasting.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Had as many games it did. He didn't have Sunday tickets.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
So that's a bias.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
I'm not saying it isn't. I'm just saying, Oh.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
No, I'm saying that it's a bias.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I'm simply saying that's why it's a bias is because
you know, he had more exposure Michael Irvin was considered
more more fair, even if their productivity.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Was about the same. That's what goes back to what
I'm talking about it the fame component of it. I
don't agree with that.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
I'm just saying that that's the reason if you want
to look at it, because Rod has that, and I
wouldn't factor in the drafted undrafted portion.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I know, I get it. You have to I get it.
I get it from that perspective. I'm not to me.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
I just look at what you accomplished, you know as
far as that goes, and you know Irvin was always
going to get more chances than Rod. I appreciate Rod
bully because.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
So because of that, this is why you should at
least put Rod a notch above Irvin.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Because you take that in consideration.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
When you're undrafted player, it follows you around like you
carrying some bad luggage, and teams look at you in
that particular realm.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
And for Rod to do.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
What he's done in his career as an undrafted player
putting up numbers comparable to guys who are currently in
the Hall of Fame and guys who should be in
the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
To me, that's got to count for something.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
And the whole idea of TV, Yes, that has value,
But I don't recall that being a part of the
stats are prerequisite when you're looking at evaluating guys as
far as going into the Hall of Fame. Okay, super Bowls, touchdowns, receptions, drops, Oh,
I'm sorry, you were on television more than this guy.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
No, But I mean what I'm saying is that that
that not that's not a requirement for that. What I'm
saying is is that if people saw that, it just
sticks more in their mind. Uh, and so that that
sort of becomes the that sort of becomes the impetus
there is that you you saw.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
It a lot. You saw Michael Love a lot. He
was you know, he was everywhere. Was he bick with us?
Speaker 2 (27:51):
So you just kind of it just kind of sits
there in your head, and oh, this guy how many
how many Pro Bowls and All Pros? Because I think
Rod had what two All Pro and three Pro Bowls?
I have no idea what I get, but it's gonna play.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
This is okay.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
The bias there. Michael Irvan probably had eight Pro Bowls.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I'd be willing to bet even he was on TV
because people saw it because.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Of Rod got such short change like so many like
so many other players, because he was in Denver, and
maybe once again Dallas was on more because they were
American team. Once again. It seemed like it goes the
same with information. The more you see it, the more
it's repetitive. There's a sense of believing that it's true
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even when it's not because you see it so much.
But the Rod Smith should be in the Hall of
Fame because if we're talking numbers, we're talking stats, and
that's to be the thing that counts. Plus Super Bowls.
He was a part of those teams and he was
an intricate part. He wasn't just the fourth wide receiver
just running down on kickoff. No, he was an intricate part.
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So how is it that you have John L Way
in the Hall of Fame right now? Randy gratishaw Terrell Davis, right,
we have Steve Atwater.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Hopefully Mike Shanahan would get in.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
But Rod Smith definitely deserves to have his flowers and
be in a Hall of fame.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Am McCaffrey deserves to have his moment, his glory.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
And the sun and be rewarded for the things he
did for this Broncos organization.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
I can get with that.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
The other person that I would, I would suggest that
we don't need much discussion on this.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Tom Naylan. I feel like I feel like Tom Nalen.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Was, you know, was an integral part of that probably
doesn't get as much respect.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
I mean, if you're putting.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Together the three most impactful Broncos of all time, it
probably is John Alway, Rod Smith and Tom Nalen. But
because he's an offensive lineman, they don't get you know,
sort of the okay.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
So I've never been a fan of that whole idea that,
oh he says he was an officeive lineman, Well what
did that offensive lineman do? And oh, by the way,
he was a center, spent all of his career here
with the Denver Broncos and was part of those Super
Bowl winning teams. So how can you leap frog in
and once a going to be back up for a second.
(30:04):
That was one of the reasons I believe that Mike
Shanahan was finally inducted into the Ring of Fame. There
were some other operating forces that were trying to keep
him out, but I'm sure the people who were voting
for the Pro Football Hall of Fame, they were like, well,
how can we put Mike in a Pro Football Hall
of Fame.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
He's not even in the Broncos Ring of Fat but
Tom is in a Ring of Fame. Rod is in
the Ring of Fame.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
So we gotta get these Hall of Fame voters that
push him over the finish line. We gotta gotta start
a campaign. You know, this is when we took a
village we got we got.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
Steve Wet like a political campaign.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
I mean, that's what we did when when Steve was
you know with That's what we did.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
I know, that's gotta be a popularity contest when we
just can't look at a guy's stats and go, you.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Know what he was that dude, because it's voted on
and anytime it's voted on.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
You know how it is.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
You know, it's if you want to vote, you get
my guy in. You know, there's a shady back room dealings.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
I'm glad you said it's a lot of shady, backdoor
dealings that are taking place, and I for one.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Don't like it because the guys who.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Are voting, some of those guys are now younger guys,
and they didn't see Brandy play. They might not have
seen Rod play, right, But once again, it's like, Okay,
you might not have seen them play. Well, they got
damn film. Go watch the film. Go talk to other
people around the league.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah, I mean, you know again, I'm not I'm not
saying that I like the way that it is.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
I'm just explaining the way that it is.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
And that's how, you know, if we're gonna get these
guys in, we gotta, you know, basically play in their system.
So Nick, we're gonna have to become politicians. You gonna
start kissing babies, dude, No, I'm not kissing.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
We're gonna have aster wearing suits. Were a little pelpins.
We're gonna have to.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Yeah, we're gonna We're gonna have to. We're gonna have
to politician this thing up.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
You know what.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Starting on Sunday at the game, I'm gonna go talk
to fans and I'm gonna tell them we need to
get these guys in the pro Football Hall of Fame
and we.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Need your help. We need your help. I'll give you
Roger Goodell's Twitter.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Personal cell phone number.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Ru Wait, first of all, hey, listen, man, I like
being associated with the group. I'm not trying to get
kicked out of the group. I've already been kicked out
one group, kicked out another group. So I'm not giving
you know, phone numbers away. I will give you Roger
Goodell's uh Twitter x handle and you.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
Can send all your information to them.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Now, you got to keep it one hundred, keep it
a buck, and you got to keep it PC.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
We're trying to.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Get these individuals into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
We need positivity.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Yeah, we need a hashtag.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
We need like a good hashtag so that they all,
you know, people can search these these tweets and all, okay,
we'll come up with something.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
We'll figure out what it is. Yeah, we will come
up with something. But I'm going to do that Sunday.
So if you are at the game, you're gonna see
Nick Ferguson's face and I'm gonna bring it up.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Okay, your face or cousin Randall's face.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
No, no, no, no, see see that only comes out
for especially kids.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Okay, okay, right, neggat.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I to know, like, I don't know if I need
to be looking at the suit hair Listen.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
That's the one thing about cousin random, he is, you
know what, He's got a little bit of Benjamin all
Bright in because I feel it he's capable of saying
anything at any time that could get him in trouble.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Very much so I felt it.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
I watched it, I was like, I could be friends
with this guy. We're both gonna we're both get torpedo
our careers on accident, on purpose.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
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Speaker 1 (00:33):
Robby Bean supposedly gonna join us here in just a
few get a chance to talk to her.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
But see you buffs, and what they did down there
Central Florida, and what we can look forward to, uh in.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Their next game.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Nick, I you know I had that one peggell wrong
I called, uh Central Florida running the football. If I
thought they were gonna be a lot more effective than
they were. They were not uh see you out there
and put it on them. And to be honest with you,
see you didn't uh you s have to not have
a defensive game plan for see.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
You can you I didn't really hear you too well
on my headset, So can you can you repeat that
first part of that statement?
Speaker 4 (01:07):
You were what I thought I was wrong.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
It turned out I was mistaken.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Oh okay, no.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
No, listen, man.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
A lot of people going into that game thought that
that was going to be an overreach for CU, especially
after very emotional win against Baylor the week before. And
I know we talked about gulfsmazone.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
He was really big on running the ball. But you know,
Robert Epstein defense, they showed up.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
It wasn't one of that first half of the Nebraska game,
but they showed up big time.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
They did.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Let's go out to the kawait commenter's part, how hot
lined the I'm bring on Roby being romy from CBS.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
How you doing?
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Oh, I'm good, and you know what, pretty good, guys,
pretty good. We got like wins talk about lately. So
it's been pleasant.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yeah, it really has. There's a surprise. I think weekend
for Denver football.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I think a lot of people thought SeeU a fourteen
point dog, the UCF was goingt a struggle.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
I was one of them. And then you look at it.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
The Broncos taken on the Jets, another one where they
weren't favored, but they managed to got out a win.
And as we look at this, you know, right now
things are shaping up real nice for SeeU over there
at the Big twelve, and the Broncos certainly have a
slate of games ahead over the next couple of weeks
that look eminently winnable.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know which one to start with,
but like if we start in the NFL and we
usually split in the game, the season up by quarters,
if you will. This second quarter, you got home games
with the Raiders, Chargers, Panthers, and then you're going to
New Orleans, and New Orleans obviously started out hot, but
they've tapered a little bit. You're looking at it and saying, wow,
I mean, this is a great stretch. And I think
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the stretch after this stretch is that when they have
Kansas City Baltimore, there's like a tough couple of games
in a row. So this kind of is a crucial stretch,
but certainly a lot of winnable games for the Broncos
all of a sudden, which is really exciting. And then
you look at the bus. They're actually favored the rest
of the year outside of Kansas State, And you look
at most of those games, and I think there's a
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majority of those are there's a winnable paths to most
of them as well. But of course, now it's kind
of that time of year we start to learn about teams.
Right who's the September pretender? So we're gonna find out.
But both these teams have a chance to get some dubs.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Well well, I mean, I want to think on the
bus for just a second. How shot were you to
see past Rummers offense actually run the ball and run
it as effectively as they did?
Speaker 5 (03:29):
Okay, well, I you know what, I got to give
credit work credits due. I have been pleased with pass
drums play calling. We've all dogged on Pat but he
has obviously him and Shador have a great connection. I
really have thought he's done a really good job with
the play calling, especially in the last couple of weeks.
The commitment to the run, I mean, this is a
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team that running the ball for two three hundred yards
the game is just simply not in their offensive identity.
That's not who they are, and that's okay, but they
have committed to running the all what they need to
so that it can open things up for Shador. I've
really liked what he's done. I've liked some of the
calls he's called for Shador as well. They clearly are
very much so on the same page. And I think
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the offensive is running efficiently. The offensive line is coming up.
You know, it's it's probably the weakest point on the team,
but I liked what I saw from UCF. UCF doesn't
have a particularly strong defensive front, but it is a
unit that continues to get better. And I think that
is my biggest takeaway from SeeU so far, is that
this team has gotten better every single game and you
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can't really ask for much more. And we look at
that UCF game, that was one of the most complete
games of CEU football I have watched in a very
long time. I never thought we'd be sitting here saying
Deion Sanders outcuch ghost Gus Maldan, but he output coached
out coached Gus Maldon. He did it. I mean, that
was a well coached game, block management, all the things
(04:56):
that were questions. They really stepped up in this UCF one.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
They did. They're going to need to continue to get better.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Got a tough ask with Kansas State coming up here
to Boulder.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
In the next game.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
That figures to be a tougher defense to score on.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I mean, I'm trying not.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
To say negative things about Pat Shermer right now because
they're winning and the offense is playing well, but it's interesting,
great to my DNA. Are they going to be able
to run the ball effectively against k State? Because it
feels like if we continue down this shador my late season,
having taken so many hits, puts himself at risk.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Yeah, I mean, it's going to be a challenge, but
it's simply they just simply have to and they're going
to commit to the run. Dallan Hayden being back is big.
You know, he comes out there. I think that he
the more they can play him and Michael Welch, then
you have a really nice tandem, and that seems like
a duo that everybody feels really confident behind. It seems
like they I don't know if they couldn't find or
(05:52):
didn't have feel like they had the big guys. When
I had Prime on my show with It last week
with Michael Welch talked about one thing a year. Like Mike,
it's more than he just back. He's really good, you know,
reading the protections at passpro as well, So I think
that's really interesting for a freshman. But he said, you know,
he's been there since spring. And I think Dallan Hayden
is powerful and he can make an impact, and I
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think they go through with the two of them. There's
something really to be said there. But it is to
what you said. They have to run the ball simply
because Shador well he's got a lot more than just
this season, right. You can't get hurt just getting taken
down all the time, so there's really no option. You
have to run the ball. But the truth is, when
I look at the CU team, what I most impressed
with guys as the defense. They've been unbelievable. I was
(06:36):
not expecting this. They haven't given up more than seven
points in the second half, and I think that's something
to be said for how they continue to get better.
Robert Livingston has been fantastic with the players he had.
They play a lot of man, I feel like there's
a lot of questions about that, but they've answered the
bell so far. Like you said, Case, it's the next
big test. So now this is a game they're not
favored in. How do they answer after the week off,
(06:58):
right after this big high? Do you see this is
gonna be a much tougher defensive Case State team. I
think we're gonna learn a lot.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
About you with the Broncos now being two and two,
where most individuals earlier in the season had them one
in three at this particular point, and knowing all the
injuries that the Raiders have, is this or could this
be set up as a trap game for the Broncos.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
I'm so glad you said that, Nick, because here's the thing.
Raiders are hot mess right now, But the Raiders are
always a hot mess, and the Broncos have lost to
them eight times in a row. And I think you
bring up a really good point because there's been so
many times since their last win in twenty since the
Broncos last win over the Raiders in twenty nineteen, that
you've been like, oh my gosh, the Raiders are you know,
(07:45):
a mess or this is going on, or there's this
drama or this coach got fired or whatever it is,
and yet they always seem to come and beat the Broncos.
So it has to be something that it's big headline
drama with Devanta Adams, you know obviously what's going on
with Antonio, with Pierce right like, all of this stuff
is happening. It's a lot of drama, But the Broncos
have to stay focused and they have to find a
(08:07):
way to win because it could totally be a trap game.
You look at it, No DeVante you know or oh,
you know. The Broncos defense has been fantastic.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Gardner Minshew.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
That feels like a good attack for them, but they
can't You simply can't overlook it because it feels like
there has been so many winnable ones over the last
eight ones that the Broncos also sort of won because
the Raiders were a mess. So I think they really
got to stay focused. And you bring up an excellent point.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
We were talking with Rick Lewis a little bit earlier.
You know, can the Broncos get this offense on track?
The defense has been stellar, but if you get if
you get a couple of wins here, but the offense
doesn't seem to be getting on track because the quarterback
isn't there. Do you think that Sean Payton could pivot
to a Jared Stidham down the stretch if his team's
winning in spite of the offense.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
I don't think so. I think that, you know, when
you say that, somebody said to me, I can remember
it was Shontayton looked kind of like bummed after that
Jets game. I don't think that was necessarily the fact,
But I think perhaps you could be between the tea
leaves and he wants to win offensively, right, He doesn't
necessarily want to be known as a defensive power out team,
(09:16):
you know, so to speak. So I think that Sean Payton,
you know, in some ways stakes his legacy on bow next.
You know, people have said that, and I just don't
think that unless Bo absolutely crumbles. It's hard for me
to see him switching mid season because I think he's,
you know, gonna want to prove that he can get
him right and that this is he chose this quarterback
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for a reason. So for me, it feels hard, that
feels like a stretch for me to say yeah, he
would do that unless Bo just absolutely carumbles right.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Well, Roby. You know, Sunday is a big game for
a lot of reasons.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
A lot of festivitis going on, as far as Brockle's
alumni weekend, Baron s. Treves and Steve Fody going into
the Ring of Fame, and Randy Bradishaw is going to
be acknowledged finally. But the biggest thing for a lot
of players and fans is the uniforms, the throwback uniforms.
Do you think that it's more of an incentive for
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the guys to go out to play well and doesn't
add a sense of pressure for them?
Speaker 5 (10:19):
You know, I think it was fun hearing all the
guys this week talk about how excited they were about it.
I had Nick Bonito on my show this week and
I asked him, like, is it like what Dion said? Right?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Look good, feel good, play good.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
He's like absolutely, And they love the thread, so they
really like him. I think that they'll want to and
I want to win for that reason. But you know
what's funny. I was filming a show with Nate Jackson
that we have that airs every week today, and he
brought up a good point. You know, it wasn't that
many years ago when it was the Mike Shanahan game,
right and he was getting Clinton the ring of same
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in the Broncos Blacks. So I do think that's motivation.
But I think at the end of the day, it's
all what happens between the white lines, and you got
to focus on that and not get caught up in
the hooper. I think there's going to be a lot
of fanfare, a lot of alumni fair like, a lot
going on this weekend, and you know, you're back at
home for the first time in a while, so tickets
and all that stuff, and I think they really got
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to hone in and focus and almost eliminate all those
distractions because there's a lot this weekend.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Yeah, there is a lot.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
And we're talking with CBS as Roby be and Romey
as we look at this thing. This it's starting to
kind of break nicely here for the Broncos. You've got
banged up Raiders team. You'll well overlook it, but you
got a bang up Raiders team, it's got a ton
of drama.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
You got a banged up Chargers team.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
After that, and it sets up nicely before a prime
time return to New Orleans for Sean Payton.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
If his team can get.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
The quarterback go or if they can get the offense
going on this thing, you know, sky's the limit. I
don't think anybody was suggesting that the Denver Broncos are
going to be super Bowl contenders. I don't think they're
suggesting it now. But they've got a super Bowl caliber defense,
and you get the offense going on this thing, and
all of a sudden, you know you might be a
ten win football team.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
I mean, you just got to get the offense go
and a little bit weak by really, because that's how
good this defense is right now. I mean, Bonick couldn't
be in a better position. You've got so much breathing
room right now because of how good this defense is.
And so it's like you just need a little bit
more right from that offense every single week. So even
if you can just start clicking with some of the
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receivers and start clicking just you know, I think he's
made good decisions. I think all these things. I think
you look at that Jets game. I know the weather
was crazy, but he was really uncomfortable. So I think
he's still settling in right still a rookie. So if
he gets a little bit more comfortable each week and
really starts clicking, I totally agree with you. I think
there's a lot more winnable games on this schedule. And
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I know it's an offensive league. I know it's a
quarterback league, but I one of those people shout out
to meet Unich. I love good defense. I'm here. I'm
a defensive girl. I'm a defensive stand So this has
been a fun reason for me so far.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Well sign me up for defense, but also sign me
up for a good running game. And Ben and I
talked about it, you know, the other day when he
comes to the running back position, because looking at the
Tampa game, there was a fun by Javonte and it
seemed like after that maybe the coaching staff or maybe
Sean Payton fell out of love with him, but he
fell back in love with him in New York City.
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So on Sunday, are we going to get more of
a cohesive offense featuring Javonte on Sunday?
Speaker 5 (13:24):
I hope so. I think a lot of it with
the run game, too, is about rhythm. It's hard to
put these guys in and then take them out, and
then they never see him again. So hey, Javonte, you know,
got himself going. It was great to see. I think
he needed that kind of a game and so to
see that, I just hope they just keep it going
because I think it's you got to keep him in
the rhythm, keep hot, keep them going. And it was
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one of the cliches saying the run game is the
quarterback's best friend. You got to keep doing that again
as though continues to develop, so he can have a
strong run game that also gives him a little more
breathing room to feel more comfortable. So you got to
do it. You got to run the name ball.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
How much have you been impressed by the season and
the debut for Riley Moss. You know, I thought he
had some huge shoes to step into there, being the
guy opposite patzer Tan and Jake Won McMillan. But I
think he's se quitted himself incredibly.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Well.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
I've been more than impressed.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
I have.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
He has absolutely excited my expectations because he's for a
guy that I mean, you look at all those you know,
graphics that came out this week of how little really
passed and thrown up. You know, it's what less than
eighty I don't know, it's crazy or less than eighty, sorry,
less than I don't know how many, dad, I don't know, right,
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so few targets less than like eighty yards he's given up,
and so the other side is just so exposed. Normally
that guy gets really really burned. I thought he would
be get burned at least a couple of times already.
I've been really impressed with his game also, just on
as Surrey level when you talk to him and you
know his attitude and didn't didn't he play at Iowa?
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Here you so he's used to low scoring offenses. This
is like this is Ryle the boss is good. You're good. Here.
He knows what he has to do. But right, this
is not unfamiliar. But I've been very impressed. There's so
much pressure when you're playing across that and to step up.
And he's got a really cool head. When you talk
to him in the locker room too, you know, he
kind of seems a little bit older than he is.
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So shout out to him, and shout out to alex
Oski call him. I call him al Pal, al Pal.
I mean another guy that I think everybody thought was
gonna get run over. Hasn't placed a guy like a
Mexican V yet, right, but he has been he's played physical,
he's played well. I've been really impressed with him as well.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah, myself as well.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
It's gonna bring some interesting questions up once Glinche comes back.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Romy.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
We always appreciate you taking the time to join us.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
We always appreciate you having you, having you on.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Here on Brokos Country tonight.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
You guys are the best.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
All right, take care?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
What would be cus live up here at Sam's Number
three in Glendale. Come on out, we got we still
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All Bright, Nick Ferguson, we'll be back after this. Welcome
back to it Broncos Country Tonight, Benjamin Albright, Nick Ferguson,
Grant Smith here with you. There's still some kwakoozies here
as well. I know that's it's a big incentive. Got
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some ka bumper stickers. I'm gonna put those on Nick
car when he's not looking.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
You put on my car.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
And then, first of all, I've already give your shirt away.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Why would you say you're gonna put them on my car?
When I'm not looking, and then just you verbalize it.
So now I'm watching you, now.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
You're watching me like well a matter of fact, he's
taking the bumper stickers and just take it literally, hiding
the bumper stickers now five six, six nine zeros of text.
I Broughto's got a Ring of Fame, cere, I'm only
coming up this weekend. Got a couple of inductions there.
How do you feel about the Broncos Ring of Fame?
So everybody out there that we got to get in
the Broncos Ring of Fame that isn't yet. Yeah, Ed McCaffrey,
he said, in the Ring of Fame.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
No he's not.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
I was in McAffrey, not the Ring of Fame.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
That's the thing, right, that's the thing that's in question.
How is he not? And I know when it comes
to getting into the Pro Football.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Hall of Fame, there are guys like Jeff Legwall who's
done a great job of help pushing former Broncos players
across the finish line. But when it comes to the
Ring of Fame, who are the individuals voting on this?
And and and that's gonna be one of the questions.
I asked this weekend. As guys come into town, I'm
going to go up to them individually and ask them
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who is not in the Ring of Fame.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
That should be a good pole.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Go, well, you're gonna be in the booth of one
of the people I think the votes on ituse I
believe Dave Logan's a part of that committee.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Now, Well, if Dave is, I am going to put
him on a spot and ask him that question. Yeah,
and if Dave said, you know what, that would be
one of the guys that I have carried the torch for.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
And I'm gonna tell him he needs to carry more
tiki torches. We need more tor more torches were fired.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
We're gonna, yeah, that's what we're We're gonna break the
torches week And mccafy wasn't in the Ring of Fame.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
That's that's one of the bunch.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
I just always assumed that he wants. I guess he's not.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
How can you forget, because if I'm not mistaken, it
was on both of those back to back teams.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that that one doesn't like. And
that's that's the thing. I had so thought that he
was that I never even it never conceived. It never
conceptualized for me that that that he wasn't. So that's fast. Yeah,
then he definitely belongs. Do we get DT in there yet?
Probably need to get him in there?
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Well, I'm sure that that is something that is on
the mind of the group that votes for that, trying
to get DT in And I know that that's kind
of a very emotional part of uh the Broncos story
into Mary's story. But even with that being said, man,
I would have to think that you got to put
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an McCaffrey in first.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
You have to you you would think, I mean, that's
that's one of those things, and you would think he's
you know, he's been around for longer obviously and predates
all that, so that we'd think, you he would get
his turn that that kind of thing as we look
at not just the Ring of Fame, also the Hall
of Fame. Is the anybody out there that you're you're
just bagging the drum that we need to.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Get in the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Hell, yes, Rod Smith? How about that? Rod Smith?
Speaker 1 (19:08):
And Mike san Mike Shanahan for sure, love Rod. So
I'm was a Tuesday, I guess it was, And I
think that's gonna be a.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Tougher Ask why, because the way that the game is
viewed now, statistical accomplishment is viewed now what Rod did
or where he was at the time versus all these
glut of receivers that they need to get in. There's
another receiver that needs to get it. Henry Ellert needs
to get in there, and he's been languishing forever. When
he was hired, he was the second leading receiver in
football behind Jerry Rice. You know, there's That's the thing
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with production being what it is now, it doesn't make
it look like people who knew Rod Smith or were
watching the brocas at the time knew how special he was.
But the modern era, the modern era fan may not
understand how special it was because the numbers aren't, you know,
the same as some of these guys that you know
that the numbers seem I don't want to say pedestrian,
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but the number seems smaller when you compare to some
of the stuff. And of course you got an extra
game now on top of it. I I you know,
I'd love to see.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Rod in there.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
I think Rod's a Hall of Fame dude, you know,
I mean definitely has the Hall of Fame personal. He
always helps us out with the the the charity that
we do every single at the yeah, at the end
of the year, Heroes, thank you. He's you know, he's
gracious with his time and all that kind of stuff.
And I love hearing them on KOA when he you know,
he goes there to talk at That's probably one that,
uh that I think needs to be in there. Steve's
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been backing the table for Dennis Smith back in the day.
That's that's another tough you know, I just don't know
that he the Hall of Fame. There's a there's a
component to it, like almost a star power component to it.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Rod's got that.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
I don't know that Dennis Smith had it, you know
what I mean, Like the name doesn't carry the same
cachet that Steve Atwater's name did. And you know, it's
not the whole of statistical accomplishment. It is the Hall
of Fame, whether you know Dennis Smith deserves it or not.
It's it's tough when you haven't sort of had that
media press. You know, you had guys cozy up to
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media lately, and that's kind of how they do it,
you know, cozy after the media.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Guys try to get to the voters and that kind
of thing. We said, your own BetUS do that.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
But even with that being said, Ben, the long as
you wait, the more those names start to fade away.
That's kind of what happened with Randy Gratishaw. And that's
why it took him so long. When you look at
what Rob was able to do as an undrafted guy
and being a pivotal part of those back to back
Super Bowls, that that has to count for something. It
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was he a household name like Michael Irban, No, because
Rob was a very humble guy. And when you look
at Irvan Urban playing it the you me, me me,
look look at the name.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
On the back.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Rod wasn't that guy. Rob was more about what team first.
And if you asked Rod what mattered more your statistical
numbers or the team winning, He's gonna tell you winning.
So that's a lot of unselfish play where a receiver
is willing to give up his yards for the betterment
of the team and blocking for guess what throa Davis
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who is now in the Pro Football Hall of.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Fame, right And and I think that that's you know again,
I think that there are aspects of Rod's game that
that helped make that Broncos team great, but they're not
quantifiable in the same sense that when people look at receivers,
they're like yardage and touchdowns, you know, and not that
not the Rod didn't have yardage touchdowns, Ye have plenty,
but it's it's I feel like that's gonna be tougher
on a national perspective. Broncos fans all know Rod Smith
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belongs to the whole fame, but the question is selling
that nationally and how how do you get a campaign
going on that one? You know what, what's Rod's signature moment?
Because you know, for Steve it's the hit on a cooler.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Atlanta Falcons Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Yeah, the post Okay, okay, you wanted one, I gave
you and it was over.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
What was it? What was it?
Speaker 1 (22:48):
You usually Robinson?
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Robinson?
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Yeah, have been somewhere else.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
I'm just saying that was Rod. That's one of Rod's
signature moments.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
I remember when we were playing against the Chargers at
home and we were banged up from a return standpoint,
Gus who went in not only received and caught the punt,
but scored a touchdown in that game Rod freaking Smith.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
So it all depends on how you look at it.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
And when we look at some of the guys in
the Hall of Fame, some of those guys played on
Hall of Fame teams and they had larger than life names.
But to me, that is not one of the prerequisites
of getting in the Hall, because we look at your numbers,
how do you compare it to the guys that you
played against in your era. You know, we know that
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more games is given more receiverings, an opportunity to expand
the lead as far as receiving yards, but also just
the real changes as well. So once again, we we
got to start giving those guys flowers who played in
those eras where football was real football.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Well, and that's part of the thing that I guess
I'm getting at. It's a tough sell for people who
don't understand what the game was in that era. You know,
Rod Smith came through at the end of the Eye
formation era, right like he was, he was there for
the tail end of the I formation era in his career,
didn't really bleed over into the you know, kind of
into the spread era once.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
You know, Peyton Manning came on the League, and we.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Started spreading things out and between you know that that
era in earnest, the golden era of passing is that
were really kind of started between somewhere between you know,
ninety eight, ninety nine and two thousand and seven. You know,
there was where that really really sort of took off.
I think when when you look at it, that it's
that that's why it's tough.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
It's it's tough to compare relatively across eras.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Because people don't remember like in the you know, it's
just like the people you know from this to try
to compare them to the people who played in the
late seventies where it was you know, you could commit
felony assault on a.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Wide receiver and get away with it and all that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
And you know, you listen to Dave Logan, you know,
talking about what was legal when when he was playing,
you know, and and so I think it's I think
a lot of people sort of they look at the
raw numbers and they don't contextualize with the state of
the game at the time.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
All Right, So Michael Irvin is in a Hall of
fame a little less than.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Twelve thousand yards receiver to you Bigzach eleven nine hundred
and four yards.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Okay, how many touchdowns?
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Sixty five?
Speaker 3 (25:20):
So Rod had eleven thousand, three hundred and eighty nine
yards receiver sixty eight touchdowns, right, So if we're trying
to compare apples to apples, Rod had more touchdowns and
guess what, Michael Irvan was a drafted player.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Rod Smith wasn't.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
So I like to think that that's an aspect of
the game when you're comparing apples to apples, that should
be taken in consideration. I mean, does it change things
because Michael Urban played for the Dallas Cowboys and they
were considered to be America's team, even though I don't
think they were america team?
Speaker 4 (25:53):
How can you shut.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Rod out knowing as though his numbers are comparable to
that of Michael Irvin.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
I mean, again, I think it comes down to the
fame aspect of it, because Michael Irvi was on everybody's
TV because the Dallas Cowboys were on national television every
week before broadcasting.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Had as many games it did. He didn't have Sunday tickets.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
So that's a bias.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
I'm not saying it isn't. I'm just saying, Oh.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
No, I'm saying that it's a bias.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I'm simply saying that's why it's a bias is because
you know, he had more exposure Michael Irvin was considered
more more fair, even if their productivity.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Was about the same. That's what goes back to what
I'm talking about it the fame component of it. I
don't agree with that.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
I'm just saying that that's the reason if you want
to look at it, because Rod has that, and I
wouldn't factor in the drafted undrafted portion.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I know, I get it. You have to I get it.
I get it from that perspective. I'm not to me.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
I just look at what you accomplished, you know as
far as that goes, and you know Irvin was always
going to get more chances than Rod. I appreciate Rod
bully because.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
So because of that, this is why you should at
least put Rod a notch above Irvin.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Because you take that in consideration.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
When you're undrafted player, it follows you around like you
carrying some bad luggage, and teams look at you in
that particular realm.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
And for Rod to do.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
What he's done in his career as an undrafted player
putting up numbers comparable to guys who are currently in
the Hall of Fame and guys who should be in
the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
To me, that's got to count for something.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
And the whole idea of TV, Yes, that has value,
But I don't recall that being a part of the
stats are prerequisite when you're looking at evaluating guys as
far as going into the Hall of Fame. Okay, super Bowls, touchdowns, receptions, drops, Oh,
I'm sorry, you were on television more than this guy.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
No, But I mean what I'm saying is that that
that not that's not a requirement for that. What I'm
saying is is that if people saw that, it just
sticks more in their mind. Uh, and so that that
sort of becomes the that sort of becomes the impetus
there is that you you saw.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
It a lot. You saw Michael Love a lot. He
was you know, he was everywhere. Was he bick with us?
Speaker 2 (27:51):
So you just kind of it just kind of sits
there in your head, and oh, this guy how many
how many Pro Bowls and All Pros? Because I think
Rod had what two All Pro and three Pro Bowls?
I have no idea what I get, but it's gonna play.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
This is okay.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
The bias there. Michael Irvan probably had eight Pro Bowls.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I'd be willing to bet even he was on TV
because people saw it because.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Of Rod got such short change like so many like
so many other players, because he was in Denver, and
maybe once again Dallas was on more because they were
American team. Once again. It seemed like it goes the
same with information. The more you see it, the more
it's repetitive. There's a sense of believing that it's true
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even when it's not because you see it so much.
But the Rod Smith should be in the Hall of
Fame because if we're talking numbers, we're talking stats, and
that's to be the thing that counts. Plus Super Bowls.
He was a part of those teams and he was
an intricate part. He wasn't just the fourth wide receiver
just running down on kickoff. No, he was an intricate part.
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So how is it that you have John L Way
in the Hall of Fame right now? Randy gratishaw Terrell Davis, right,
we have Steve Atwater.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Hopefully Mike Shanahan would get in.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
But Rod Smith definitely deserves to have his flowers and
be in a Hall of fame.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Am McCaffrey deserves to have his moment, his glory.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
And the sun and be rewarded for the things he
did for this Broncos organization.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
I can get with that.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
The other person that I would, I would suggest that
we don't need much discussion on this.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Tom Naylan. I feel like I feel like Tom Nalen.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Was, you know, was an integral part of that probably
doesn't get as much respect.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
I mean, if you're putting.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Together the three most impactful Broncos of all time, it
probably is John Alway, Rod Smith and Tom Nalen. But
because he's an offensive lineman, they don't get you know,
sort of the okay.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
So I've never been a fan of that whole idea that,
oh he says he was an officeive lineman, Well what
did that offensive lineman do? And oh, by the way,
he was a center, spent all of his career here
with the Denver Broncos and was part of those Super
Bowl winning teams. So how can you leap frog in
and once a going to be back up for a second.
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That was one of the reasons I believe that Mike
Shanahan was finally inducted into the Ring of Fame. There
were some other operating forces that were trying to keep
him out, but I'm sure the people who were voting
for the Pro Football Hall of Fame, they were like, well,
how can we put Mike in a Pro Football Hall
of Fame.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
He's not even in the Broncos Ring of Fat but
Tom is in a Ring of Fame. Rod is in
the Ring of Fame.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
So we gotta get these Hall of Fame voters that
push him over the finish line. We gotta gotta start
a campaign. You know, this is when we took a
village we got we got.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
Steve Wet like a political campaign.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
I mean, that's what we did when when Steve was
you know with That's what we did.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
I know, that's gotta be a popularity contest when we
just can't look at a guy's stats and go, you.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Know what he was that dude, because it's voted on
and anytime it's voted on.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
You know how it is.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
You know, it's if you want to vote, you get
my guy in. You know, there's a shady back room dealings.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
I'm glad you said it's a lot of shady, backdoor
dealings that are taking place, and I for one.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Don't like it because the guys who.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Are voting, some of those guys are now younger guys,
and they didn't see Brandy play. They might not have
seen Rod play, right, But once again, it's like, Okay,
you might not have seen them play. Well, they got
damn film. Go watch the film. Go talk to other
people around the league.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah, I mean, you know again, I'm not I'm not
saying that I like the way that it is.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
I'm just explaining the way that it is.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
And that's how, you know, if we're gonna get these
guys in, we gotta, you know, basically play in their system.
So Nick, we're gonna have to become politicians. You gonna
start kissing babies, dude, No, I'm not kissing.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
We're gonna have aster wearing suits. Were a little pelpins.
We're gonna have to.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Yeah, we're gonna We're gonna have to. We're gonna have
to politician this thing up.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
You know what.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Starting on Sunday at the game, I'm gonna go talk
to fans and I'm gonna tell them we need to
get these guys in the pro Football Hall of Fame
and we.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Need your help. We need your help. I'll give you
Roger Goodell's Twitter.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Personal cell phone number.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Ru Wait, first of all, hey, listen, man, I like
being associated with the group. I'm not trying to get
kicked out of the group. I've already been kicked out
one group, kicked out another group. So I'm not giving
you know, phone numbers away. I will give you Roger
Goodell's uh Twitter x handle and you.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
Can send all your information to them.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Now, you got to keep it one hundred, keep it
a buck, and you got to keep it PC.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
We're trying to.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Get these individuals into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
We need positivity.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Yeah, we need a hashtag.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
We need like a good hashtag so that they all,
you know, people can search these these tweets and all, okay,
we'll come up with something.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
We'll figure out what it is. Yeah, we will come
up with something. But I'm going to do that Sunday.
So if you are at the game, you're gonna see
Nick Ferguson's face and I'm gonna bring it up.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Okay, your face or cousin Randall's face.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
No, no, no, no, see see that only comes out
for especially kids.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Okay, okay, right, neggat.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I to know, like, I don't know if I need
to be looking at the suit hair Listen.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
That's the one thing about cousin random, he is, you
know what, He's got a little bit of Benjamin all
Bright in because I feel it he's capable of saying
anything at any time that could get him in trouble.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Very much so I felt it.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
I watched it, I was like, I could be friends
with this guy. We're both gonna we're both get torpedo
our careers on accident, on purpose.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
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