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Speaker 1 (00:00):
He is Nick Ferguson. I am a rod filling in
for Ben who is out tonight. We want to hear
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A couple different things we've been breaking down that we
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want to hear from you about. Number one, what is
the absolute dumbest take you have seen about bo Nicks
so far this season. I haven't told you mine yet,
but I will hear in just a moment. Uh, There's
a lot of other things that I've seen. He's not
the guy Broncos made a mistake. You already know this.
He's the reason the offens is to blame. Whatever it is,
still not as bad as the dumbest thing I've seen.
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I'll tell you what that is here in a moment.
We're talking about the Saints matchup coming up here on
Thursday the Denver Broncos. We're on a three game winning streak, obviously,
had that snapped here at home against the Chargers looking
to get back on the schneid against the Saints in
New Orleans. Sean Payton a bit of a homecoming fifteen
seasons there in New Orleans, back at it against his
former team again Thursday. Spencer Rattler in company coming off
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of a big time loss to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers,
So you can talk about that as well. Are you
worried about this game? What would happen in terms of
your belief in this team or the growth factor of
how big of a step back would this be? In
a game that the Broncos with all those injuries that
New Orleans dealing with, could that be a really really
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detrimental loss? What's your level of concern? But again, nick,
I gotta tell you, and the question is that we've
been asking again five six six nine zero comment spirit
health text line. Does a loss in two days time
Thursday against the Saints add more or less pressure for
the Denver Broncos and Sean Sean Payton specifically.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
It adds more pressure because the team was on the
three game winning streak, could have been four, and looking
at how the team looked playing against the Raiders, I mean,
excuse me, not the Raiders, but the Chargers, and now
we can go back to the Raiders that wasn't looking
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too well and things changed once PS two got that interception,
but it should have been a Brock Bauers or.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Gardner Minshew touchdown.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
But since the team hasn't looked that well offensively for
about six quarters, that is going to be a problem
because you look at Spencer Ratler making a second start,
granted is on Thursday night, the number of injuries that
the Saints have, and then when you look at the
Saints as a whole, right now, they're two and four
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and they are giving up at least one hundred and
forty seven points, and you look, you want to look
at the Bucks game. If you're a Broncos fan, say, well,
the Broncos beat the Bucks. The Bucks beat the Saints,
so we should be able to go out there and
do the like. No, this is not how the league works.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Matter.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yes, the math is not mathing because even though the
Saints are beat up offensively, two of their top players
from the wide receiver standpoint may not be in the
line up. But sometimes this is what makes teams dangerous.
And if you think that Spencer Rattler is some kind
of poop putt type of quarterback. You got another thing coming.
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The kid can run, he can get outside the pocket.
And what that means is that you extended plays. And
keep this in mind. Let's go back to the Raiders game.
The Broncos defense had their challenges against the Raiders stopping
the run. When you look at the Chargers game, the
Chargers had some success with their running backs running, but
also throwing to their running backs. And now Avin Kamara,
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who Sean Payton and this offensive coaching staff know a
lot about because they were the ones that drafted him.
So you're saying, if you're able to get Alvin Kamara
outside one on one with me, be a Justice scheranad
or Cody Barton, I'll ask you which matchup?
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Do you do? You like that matchup? If you're the Saints,
do you like it?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
And if you do, this is something that the Broncos
defensively have to be aware.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Of they do well.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
A question came to mind when you're chatting about Alvin
Kamara and also the rest of that Saints offense with
with with a few pieces that that Sean recognizes and
knows and Kamara obviously being one of them. I don't
know if Taysom's gonna be playing this one, but Kamara,
do you think Sean is going to be at all
involved chatting in those those defensive meetings give a little
input there to vance. I mean vances in the NFC
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there for a bit obviously with the Cardinals, so I'm
not sure how many times, probably a few at least
that they matched up with the Saints, so there's some
familiarity there. But Sean knows these guys. It's been a
couple of years, but Sean knows these guys well. You
know the person, the individual player.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
You may not know the system that well that Clint
is going to deploy based on the limited amount of players. Now,
if you wanted more reference on that, you can go
back to his Clint Kobiak's time with the Minnesota Vikings
to say, okay, well, what were some of the things
that they did inside the rid zone to start a drive?
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You can look at some of those concepts, but even
those offensive concepts are going to change because this is
not the starting lineup for the New Orleans Saints' offense,
so it's going to look a little different, and Clint
Kopiak is going to have to be a little creative
with guys who have banged up on the offensive line.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
You know, it's another interesting thing I'm now thinking about too.
Ins of in terms of coaching, Sean knows Dennis Allen
pretty dang well. He was just obviously his DC for
what from Dennis Allen I think started being a DC
there in New Orleans from from twenty fifteen to twenty
twenty one, so up until Shawn's last year. For what,
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that's six years of seeing him every single day in practice,
every single game, knowing how that's going to work out.
That's a I think even without their coaching connection, most
people I think would give the coaching advantage at least
I would say heavily to Sean, even more so now
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coaching against Dennis Allen.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Okay, keep this in mind too, Former Broncos secondary coach
Joe Woods the Dems a coordinator for the Saints, and
when you look at the Saints defensively, they don't have
too many of their starters out. Yeah, they gave up
fifty one points against the Saints. I'm thinking after they
watched the film on the Broncos this past Sunday, Joe
Wood's going to say, well, we have some opportunities to exploit. Remember,
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the Broncos have offensive line issues too due to injuries,
so those can be taking advantage.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Too as well.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
If you are that defensive staff with New Orleans, what
is the absolute go to in terms of some of
that game planning against this against this offense? Knowing that
the one thing I think the advantage the Broncos would
have is on offense, I think there's a decent chance
that that New Orleans doesn't necessarily know what's gonna come
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at least early on, because they could very well say, well,
I think the Broncos could do what they do early
on in offense and be you know, maybe lacking some creativity.
Or is this the week they think in this that
they think of the rumor? Or is this the week
they do what we saw against the team that we
just played in Tampa. Is that unpredictability a big advantage
for the Broncos on offense? Or do you think New
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Orleans has a pretty good game plan raid a rock
and roll against this offense?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I would think that the Saints have a pretty good
game plan watching film, but also, as you said so eloquently,
Seela Payton, knows Dennis Allen.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
But there's a flip side to that coin too as well.
Dennis Allen know Shela.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Payton, who which which Which would you think is a
bigger advantage Sean against that against Dennis's defense or Dennis's
Dennis on defense knowing Shawn's offense.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I'm gonna say Dennis defense knowing Shawn's offense, because once again,
when you look at the Saints defense, they don't have
a lot of marquee players who were injured, right, they don't.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
They got the honey Badger, right. You know how he
plays the game.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
He's always looking, he's cutting, he's looking for routes breaking
across the middle. And if you look at the Broncos defense,
I'm excuse me, offense, their go to play is somewhat
of a fifteen yard dig route, So I'm sure if
I'm seeing it, they see this too as well. And
Marshawn Lanamar, I mean, say what you want about him,
as from a corner standpoint, he is their top corner
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and the Broncos have not shown a propensity on a
consistent basis to take the ball deep. So if you
don't do that, you play right in the hands of
one Dennis Allen, the.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Other fans a big factor too.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
And I'm gonna be honest here, I don't know, based
on my experience of watching Dennis Allen defenses in New
Orleans how much it's changed from twenty twenty one to
twenty twenty four, based on the last time that Sean
saw that on the daily What I do know is
on the flip side, Sean Payton's offense isn't very different.
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We see that, we know that from twenty twenty one
to now, there's not a lot of differences. And Dennis
Allen is looking at that tape this week and saying, yeah,
I've seen this, I know this comfortable coaching against this.
That is where I think I actually lean heavily into
what you're saying in terms of that advantage being actually
quite a bit more in the camp of Dennis. And
that leads into my point of that's the think where
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a lot of the critique has continued to come with
Sean in this offense is the need for more creativity,
the need to adapt this to be a bit more
of a modern offense, the need the complaints that Broncos
Country has had in terms of the pre snap movement
where it's not such a predictable offense. That could be
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a big problem. That plays right into Dennis Allen and
that defense is to get their defense rolling. Wouldn't that
be something. We saw what they just did and were
gashed by that Tampa defense. Wouldn't it be something and
a wake up call in terms of pressure added to
this team after Thursday. If Tampa's defense looks like World
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beaters all of a sudden, that'd be big cause for concern.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
That would be a huge cause for concern. But coach
Prayton has coached in this league a long time, and
when you do that, you learn a couple of things.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
And being able to adjust and adapt is one of
those things. And I learned this as a player, and
I also learned as a coach coaching in the league.
There's nothing wrong with looking around the league and seeing
what other teams are doing well and incorporating some of
that into your scheme. Now, there are coaches who are
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totally against it because they have come up on one
particular scheme and they know this scheme in and out.
But at sometimes you have to show a little evolution.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
You have to. I would say I would.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Like to see the Broncos look at this situation as
though they're in a similar position as the Saints.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
You're down your two top receivers. How can we.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Come up with some form of offense that we never
thought of? But this is where Joe Lombardi and Davis
Webb on the office side of the ball that they
now must go to Sean or whatever plays that they
drew up on a napkin at some point or whatever,
say look, it might be nice to run this particular play.
Let's just run it out there, right And I know
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it's a short week and you can't practice everything, but
having one or two rinkus a rod that you're saying
you can pick and choose at what point in the
game that you can run these particular plays.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
He said, Well, these are going to be a home run.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Plays and you can put them on a call sheet
and you can call them based on what you see.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
That is what the offense needs.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
They need something to build confidence that creates a spark.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
They need that spark offensively.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Let me ask you something here in the last couple
minutes we have in this segment, Sean Payton loves Davis
web is raved about him. Was adamant about getting him
on this coaching staff. How old is the guy? What
like three my.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Older than Davis Web?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
What eight? Twenty nine?
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Maybe Davis Web is twenty nine. I'm older than Davis Web.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
In terms of the ability to change and adapt and
be open up to new concepts and ideas. Does Sean
at all entertain the possibility? And I say this in
all due respect to Sean, and on the contrary in
terms of criticism, I'm saying this because I believe in
and I believe in Sean. What he's doing and what
could go ride along with? Line with that is my
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question to you, Nick, real quick? Should Sean open up
the opportunity for a guy that is inexperienced in terms
of coaching, a guy that he's a big fan of
Davis Web give him a crack at Maybe not full
play calling, I'm not saying that, but the opening scripts
as a.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Start or.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Some version of control of the offense to see what
he's got, and maybe Sean would appreciate what he brings
to the table even more so giving him a little
bit more leeway, would control of the offense a little I'm.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Gonna say yes, Okay. The reason I say yes, because
what's coach on the coaching staff spends the most time
with bo Knicks. It's not Sean Payton, it's not Joe Lombardi.
It's his quarterback coach. They talk a lot, They have
a good right yet too, what do you like? What
do you don't like? And then the fact that Davis
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web is what maybe three years removed from being a
backup quarterback with the Giants. I like to think that
he has some football knowledge that he can actually share.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
And we're not asking for a lot of plays. Well,
and you can tell either.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Coach Peyton can ask for it or it's probably gonna
be something we're Davis Webbs got to do it himself.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Coach.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Here a couple of plays that I was thinking about.
All right, tell me what you think about him. Just
just look at him. Tell me what you think about him.
And if they're good plays and the blocking, the scheme
and everything is great, you might have one of those
who plays you implement.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
It's something to think about. Because Sewan loves the guy,
He's raved about him. I think there's something to the
opportunity that he could give to him that isn't a
step back for Sean it's more a full circle moment
to say, let's get some freshness in here. Nothing against
me and my play calling, nothing against my plan, but
I want to see if we can bring something in
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that lets us adapt a bit more and expand and evolve.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Talk about evolving.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Yeah, but this is why I think Sean McVay did
this during the season. He allowed one of his young
officive coordinators to coach a preseason game. Just just go out,
then you coach preseason game. Sean me baby is still around.
If more coaches decided to do that, then we're talking
about the development some of the younger coaches, where now
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you get more energetic plays being you know, injected into
this scheme itself.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
The Broncos haven't made a trade yet, but the NFL
trade deadline is quickly quickly approaching.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
A lot of moves are made today.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
We'll continue to talk about these matchup with the Saints,
but also should the Broncos make any trades? Wide receiver,
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I've been teasing it all show along. My answer to
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the question, I've been asking y'all, what's the dumbest take
you have seen about bon Nicks so far this season?
Lots of different responses that I've seen both on the
text line tonight or on Twitter slash x over the
first six weeks of the season. He's not the guy
Broncos made a mistake. He's the reason the offense is
to blame. They should bench him. Whatever it is, Nick,
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none of them are as bad as the one that
I've seen a couple times now, and I almost literally
face palm. I feel myself getting a little angry. I
think if I were looking in the mirror, the smoke's
coming out my ears. I try hard to not reply.
I don't think I have to this certain take in
any capacity in any post seeing the name Bonnicks in
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the same sentence as Tim Tebow. I've seen multiple times
in terms of no, you have dumbest take. If you
search on Twitter or tweet deck, you type in Bonicks comma,
I'm not buying it. Not you type in Bonix comma
Tim Tebow, It'll bring up tweets that mention Bonnix and
Tim Tebow, and there have been comps. That is the
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dumbest take I have seen so far this season. Is
any comp in any setting, in any formation of words
that has Bonex at all being compared to Tim Tebow
based on the first six weeks of the season, Well,
see that.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Tells me that person or those people who utter those
sentiments or even hard at that tweet, they know nothing
about football and they're thinking with their emotions because there's
nothing remotely about bone Knick's game that is similar to
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Tim Tebow other than the fact, well, there's two things.
They were drafted in the first round and they're both quarterbacks.
That's about it. If you want to add it that
they wore Broncos uniform, I'll take it, But that is
the only comparison that you can make.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I will leave the names off of these tweets. I've
just you have to say that no, say I do
not want to get these people in trouble. I will
give them the respect to not throw them under the bus,
despite the.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
No more respect they say, it's of the idiotic, there's
no more respect.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Two days ago from we'll call him Timothy. The Denver
Broncos shut down Tim Tebow and now give bow Nicks
the keys to the car. When they are both the
same type of QB. We'll call this individual Roger made
up names. Bow Knicks shouldn't feel like a passing version
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of Tim Tebow. We love mile high Magic, but come on, oh,
here's another one, more cut and dry. The bow Knicks
Broncos are just the twenty twenty four Tim Tebow Broncos.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Terrible.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I'm gonna look at your screen and get these individuals
real names, and I might tweet at them like are
you ridiculous?
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Were you drinking? When you press sin?
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Bow Knicks will call this what's another name? We'll call
this one jack Jack bow Knicks is like watching Tim
Tebow on the Broncos all over again. These tweets are
all that I've read so far within the last couple days.
And finally, I will just go with this because this
is just right down to exactly what I'm talking about
in terms of the worst takes people comparing him to
Tim Tebow. This tweet simply just has bon Nix the
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equals sign Tim Tebow.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
What are we doing?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Sounds like those individuals have been drinking a lot of
either Sea Rooms or Jack Daniels.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I was lying. I'll read one more. I almost want
to say his first name. It's a very common name
and people and we'll call him. We'll call him Jack.
Last name Wagon Jack Wagon Tim Tebo was a better
QB than Bo Nicks. Oh no, here's another one, Axel
wanting to stop. But then I read one that's even better.
We'll call this guy Jack Number three bow Knicks is
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just tiny Tim Tebow. So again the question was what
is the worst take, the dumbest take you've seen him?
A Bonnicks so far the season? Taking the cake is
comparing him to Tim Tebow. Now, you dam Tabo couldn't
pass the.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Ball, You couldn't hit the bros out of the bar.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Go watch all of the Oregon tape, even if you
don't want to watch the first six weeks, which by
the way, shows already is better than Tim Teba. But
go watch Oregon tape two and then go watch Florida
from Tim Tebow's days. So you gave me four jet names,
made him name, Yeah, a bunch of jacks.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Yeah, yeah, you're right, they're right. But to Jack jack holes,
that's what they are.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Jack holes.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
First name Jack, last name Wagon geez now from six
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it's just as dumb as comparing him to Elway. Yeah,
you probably shouldn't be doing that either, but I not
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in the same stratosphere, not in the same ballpark. But
it's you know, it's not as dumb. No, actually, I
mean it's it's more dumb. It's more dumb to compare
Bonuck to John Elway. But comparing Bonus to Tim Tebow
is just like you said, you don't know if you're
talking about you probably don't know football. You probably need
to reassess how you watch the game of football. Well
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that is what you think after first six weeks, because
the guy is growing, he's getting better. There are ways
that this offense and the coaching staff can compliment him.
There are weapons that could be acquired, whether it be
with a salary cap that'll free up with draft picks
over the next couple of years. And people like to
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point out years ago, Oh, the Broncos should have taken
Josh Allen. Well, you know what, Josh Allen was pretty
darn bad in his first year or two. People like
to point that out. So I'll point out again because
bow Nicks is growing, Let the guy grow, and he
ain't in the process of the growth anywhere comparable to
Tim Tebow.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
No, that's my case.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Let's rewind for a second, because I've had individuals say
on Twitter X that bo Nicks in their pin has
some shades of John Elway. And I know you just
say that you don't think that that's proper to make
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that comparison.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Why I'm gonna flip it back to you. Why do
you think it is in what ways? Because there are
some ways? But what are the ways that you think
that there are? Well, well, they're both they both were rookies.
They both suit it up an orange and blue, different
shades with orange and blue.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Both of their first games were comparable.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Both were draft Well, I was about.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
No, no, no, drafted by the Colts.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
At the very end of the day. Let's how fifteen
twenty years down the road, they'll be me. Maybe maybe
they'll be pick some comparisons, but right now you probably
shouldn't put them in the same sentence.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Well, that's not my.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
That wouldn't be my original comparison, Okay, Because I've compared
bow to both Josh Allen and Russell Wilson, and I've
got some pushback because of that, because you say, well,
the first two years for Russell.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Was not that great.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
But when I hear that, I'm like, well, you're not
really thinking in full context of what I am suggesting.
And what I why I make that comparison is that
watching bow over this season, how has he done outside
the pocket opposed to inside the pocket? What has he
done from an improvisational standpoint, when the pocket gets muddied,
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he avoids its sack and he's able to pick up
yards or he's able to throw on the run. That's
where my comparison comes from. Because of the skill level
and the skill set that Bowl has that that are
similar to both of those quarterbacks. And I could choose
another quarterback and make that kind of comparison. I can say, well,
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he reminds me a little of Joe Burrow at times.
But the whole concept is the ability to move and
maneuver in the pocket, having pocket presence, feel the pressure
coming because the pocket's gonna break down at some point.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do?
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I think you made me realize one of the things
I've liked the mo I like all that, by the way,
and I like I like some of those those tying
of comparisons there. The thing I just made think you
made me realize in terms of the the feel of
the game, the pocket awareness, the understanding that him relying
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on his athleticism isn't I don't think. I don't think
a hindrance to his growth. But it's a nice.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Hedge. It's something that you can.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Be relied on while he's growing, not something that you
want him to always do. You never want him to
go one read and go you never want him to think,
I'm just I'm just I'm just gonna book this thing
because I don't. I don't I don't feel the pocket well,
I'm just gonna book it. He doesn't do any of that,
and we're only again, only six games in and a
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lot of those signs that have continued to get better.
And knowing when to rely on that athleticism, I think
is a big time boosting confidence if you're looking for
signs of saying that, we obviously need to see a
lot more of this and we want to see him
not have to rely on some of what he's hedging
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right now while he's learning the rest of the game.
But the signs that are there are extremely promising.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yeah, all signs are definitely there for Bo Nicks because
during the evaluation process there's certain things you look for
from quarterbacks and we hear it all the time. The
first thing that comes up is, oh my god, he's
got a live on. Well he should, he is a
damn quarterback. So let's talk about the other tangibles. Can
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he lead? Can he command an offense? And we've seen
this season which led to the sideline conversation I'll call
it that right where Bo was like, look, man, I
saw something. I know what you call but I saw something.
I did something else. That's where you want the quarterback
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to graduate to being able to have full command of
the offense, or he can change plays in the huddle
because at the end of the.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Day, he's the one playing Buehler.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yes, but that told me a lot about bow Nick's
aka Buehler because I've seen Ferris Bueller and Bueller did
a lot of things in the movie that were unorthodox,
but they also worked in his favor, did they not?
Speaker 1 (27:29):
So? I know, can his cadence now moving forward be
you get your car? You can't really do that. You
can't do that too loud, So.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
It's kind of a problem.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
You can't How does that work when you're on the road.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Oh yeah, he can't really silent count?
Speaker 3 (27:44):
No, you can't.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
But is there anything else? Euler? Pretty damn loud? Well,
you know what loud?
Speaker 2 (27:51):
If Peyton Manny can have Omaha, why can't bow Nicks
have Buehler as a call?
Speaker 4 (27:58):
And what is uh the worst one the NFL? Right now? Dax?
Here we go? Oh okay, what is that? That's what
he does?
Speaker 3 (28:06):
I know, what the hell is it? Hey, he's trying
to get him going. Hasn't worked out yet?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
No?
Speaker 4 (28:13):
What what could work out?
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Real quick in the in the in these next com
minutes here in this segment, is we We've been talking
all the show about about potential trade targets, knowing that
today wasn't the NFL trade deadline, it felt like it
because a couple of wide receivers run the move. Amari
Cooper going from Cleveland to Buffalo, Devontae Adams ed case
reuniting with Aaron Rodgers head case in New York, moving
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on from the Raiders, get him out of the division
and not go the Chiefs. You've been talking about different
trade targets. I've been talking about different trade targets. But
I think there's a wide receiver you and I haven't
mentioned one from me and one from you. I know
you've wanted to kind of mention in terms of a
potential trade target for the Denver Broncos to get this
offense even mooring.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Here, Well, I already mentioned the Viscus Chanel. Yes, so
T Higgins could be another receiver.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Yep, So hoping our guy, hoping our guy, our last
guy to mention there would be the same. And it
very much is gotta pay the guy, do you not.
I think he's got coming up for a deal. Broncos
are a little short on money, just a smidge right now.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Well, here's the thing with the deal with Courlan Sutton's deal,
it looks it's it's not a deal that is keeping
Courtland Sutton here for another year.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
So if the team wanted to make a move, they
can do.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
That well, whether Sutton's here or not.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
With all due respect, maybe not because of the six
Games of chemistry so far with Bow and Sudden, but
you would think if that were to be long term,
I think T Higgins becomes your wide receiver one, and
that's a guy that one. He's not gonna be in Cincinnati,
So it's gonna be's gonna be on the movie somewhere.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
It's gonna be somewhere.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
And Cincinnati is not ever the most proactive team in
terms of making moves signing big deals. We're learning that obviously.
Jamar Chase cheap, Yeah, ask big Al, ask the Condor
about the Cincinnati Bengals and how they've always kind of
been that way cheap and then slow to big move.
So I don't think T Higgins is gonna get traded
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before the deadline. I think he's gonna walk. It's gonna
be terrible for them. I mean that windows slam shut.
Forget about closing. I love Joe Burrow, but it's not
so My point is, I don't think that T Higgins
is a realistic option because of how Cincinnati handles things
and how they don't want to move on from him,
and you want to upset your quarterback and upset the
apple cart knowing that they still have a pay Jamar
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Chase and what not.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
But it's an option, man.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
A couple of weeks left in this trade, with the trades,
with the trade deadline coming up on the fifth, after
that Baltimore game, I love to see him make a move.
I'd love to see him make a move. You said
you're favoring tight end. I I think it would be
so much more impactful for me. Wide receiver running back.
I think I like in house and running back and
seeing what estimate continues to offer maybe day later down
the road.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Bedey getting back healthy. Javante is now shown some flashes.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
I love Jalil mcloffin both on and off the field.
I think wide receivers that the option want to go with.
DeAndre Hopkins is aging, so it wouldn't be a long
term thing. You kind of want a youth movement kind
of guy. So T Higgins if you can get Sinsey
to move off of them.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
That could be the move.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I love that the Broncos have draft capital to be
able to dangle in front of the Cincinnati Bengals because
two thousand and five, I mean you got the first,
second third for fifth, sixth and seven, I mean you
can move some of those pieces around.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Even if you look to go to twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah, because I know most fans say, well, no, we
want to bring some young guys in there, but no,
you need some guys with some experience that can actually
benefit and you can build around both. The team is
already young offensively, you need a veteran guy who doesn't
have that many years in his career that still could
come in and provide adequate assistant football.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Continuing to build. Hopefully we build off of a win.
Coming up on Thursday. He is Nick Ferguson. I may
Rod Fillian for Ben. This is Broncos Country Night, rolling
along on the official radio home of your Denver Broncos.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
This is kaa
He is Nick Ferguson. I am a rod filling in
for Ben who is out tonight. We want to hear
from you plethora of topics we've been getting into this evening.
Want to hear from you on the common Spirit Health
text line three oh three, excuse me, the text line
five six six nine zero, the comment Spirit Health hotline
three oh three, seven to one, three eighty five eighty five.
A couple different things we've been breaking down that we
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want to hear from you about. Number one, what is
the absolute dumbest take you have seen about bo Nicks
so far this season. I haven't told you mine yet,
but I will hear in just a moment. Uh, There's
a lot of other things that I've seen. He's not
the guy Broncos made a mistake. You already know this.
He's the reason the offens is to blame. Whatever it is,
still not as bad as the dumbest thing I've seen.
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I'll tell you what that is here in a moment.
We're talking about the Saints matchup coming up here on
Thursday the Denver Broncos. We're on a three game winning streak, obviously,
had that snapped here at home against the Chargers looking
to get back on the schneid against the Saints in
New Orleans. Sean Payton a bit of a homecoming fifteen
seasons there in New Orleans, back at it against his
former team again Thursday. Spencer Rattler in company coming off
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of a big time loss to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers,
So you can talk about that as well. Are you
worried about this game? What would happen in terms of
your belief in this team or the growth factor of
how big of a step back would this be? In
a game that the Broncos with all those injuries that
New Orleans dealing with, could that be a really really
(01:27):
detrimental loss? What's your level of concern? But again, nick,
I gotta tell you, and the question is that we've
been asking again five six six nine zero comment spirit
health text line. Does a loss in two days time
Thursday against the Saints add more or less pressure for
the Denver Broncos and Sean Sean Payton specifically.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
It adds more pressure because the team was on the
three game winning streak, could have been four, and looking
at how the team looked playing against the Raiders, I mean,
excuse me, not the Raiders, but the Chargers, and now
we can go back to the Raiders that wasn't looking
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too well and things changed once PS two got that interception,
but it should have been a Brock Bauers or.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Gardner Minshew touchdown.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
But since the team hasn't looked that well offensively for
about six quarters, that is going to be a problem
because you look at Spencer Ratler making a second start,
granted is on Thursday night, the number of injuries that
the Saints have, and then when you look at the
Saints as a whole, right now, they're two and four
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and they are giving up at least one hundred and
forty seven points, and you look, you want to look
at the Bucks game. If you're a Broncos fan, say, well,
the Broncos beat the Bucks. The Bucks beat the Saints,
so we should be able to go out there and
do the like. No, this is not how the league works.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Matter.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yes, the math is not mathing because even though the
Saints are beat up offensively, two of their top players
from the wide receiver standpoint may not be in the
line up. But sometimes this is what makes teams dangerous.
And if you think that Spencer Rattler is some kind
of poop putt type of quarterback. You got another thing coming.
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The kid can run, he can get outside the pocket.
And what that means is that you extended plays. And
keep this in mind. Let's go back to the Raiders game.
The Broncos defense had their challenges against the Raiders stopping
the run. When you look at the Chargers game, the
Chargers had some success with their running backs running, but
also throwing to their running backs. And now Avin Kamara,
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who Sean Payton and this offensive coaching staff know a
lot about because they were the ones that drafted him.
So you're saying, if you're able to get Alvin Kamara
outside one on one with me, be a Justice scheranad
or Cody Barton, I'll ask you which matchup?
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Do you do? You like that matchup? If you're the Saints,
do you like it?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
And if you do, this is something that the Broncos
defensively have to be aware.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Of they do well.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
A question came to mind when you're chatting about Alvin
Kamara and also the rest of that Saints offense with
with with a few pieces that that Sean recognizes and
knows and Kamara obviously being one of them. I don't
know if Taysom's gonna be playing this one, but Kamara,
do you think Sean is going to be at all
involved chatting in those those defensive meetings give a little
input there to vance. I mean vances in the NFC
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there for a bit obviously with the Cardinals, so I'm
not sure how many times, probably a few at least
that they matched up with the Saints, so there's some
familiarity there. But Sean knows these guys. It's been a
couple of years, but Sean knows these guys well. You
know the person, the individual player.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
You may not know the system that well that Clint
is going to deploy based on the limited amount of players. Now,
if you wanted more reference on that, you can go
back to his Clint Kobiak's time with the Minnesota Vikings
to say, okay, well, what were some of the things
that they did inside the rid zone to start a drive?
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You can look at some of those concepts, but even
those offensive concepts are going to change because this is
not the starting lineup for the New Orleans Saints' offense,
so it's going to look a little different, and Clint
Kopiak is going to have to be a little creative
with guys who have banged up on the offensive line.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
You know, it's another interesting thing I'm now thinking about too.
Ins of in terms of coaching, Sean knows Dennis Allen
pretty dang well. He was just obviously his DC for
what from Dennis Allen I think started being a DC
there in New Orleans from from twenty fifteen to twenty
twenty one, so up until Shawn's last year. For what,
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that's six years of seeing him every single day in practice,
every single game, knowing how that's going to work out.
That's a I think even without their coaching connection, most
people I think would give the coaching advantage at least
I would say heavily to Sean, even more so now
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coaching against Dennis Allen.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Okay, keep this in mind too, Former Broncos secondary coach
Joe Woods the Dems a coordinator for the Saints, and
when you look at the Saints defensively, they don't have
too many of their starters out. Yeah, they gave up
fifty one points against the Saints. I'm thinking after they
watched the film on the Broncos this past Sunday, Joe
Wood's going to say, well, we have some opportunities to exploit. Remember,
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the Broncos have offensive line issues too due to injuries,
so those can be taking advantage.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Too as well.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
If you are that defensive staff with New Orleans, what
is the absolute go to in terms of some of
that game planning against this against this offense? Knowing that
the one thing I think the advantage the Broncos would
have is on offense, I think there's a decent chance
that that New Orleans doesn't necessarily know what's gonna come
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at least early on, because they could very well say, well,
I think the Broncos could do what they do early
on in offense and be you know, maybe lacking some creativity.
Or is this the week they think in this that
they think of the rumor? Or is this the week
they do what we saw against the team that we
just played in Tampa. Is that unpredictability a big advantage
for the Broncos on offense? Or do you think New
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Orleans has a pretty good game plan raid a rock
and roll against this offense?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I would think that the Saints have a pretty good
game plan watching film, but also, as you said so eloquently,
Seela Payton, knows Dennis Allen.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
But there's a flip side to that coin too as well.
Dennis Allen know Shela.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Payton, who which which Which would you think is a
bigger advantage Sean against that against Dennis's defense or Dennis's
Dennis on defense knowing Shawn's offense.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I'm gonna say Dennis defense knowing Shawn's offense, because once again,
when you look at the Saints defense, they don't have
a lot of marquee players who were injured, right, they don't.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
They got the honey Badger, right. You know how he
plays the game.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
He's always looking, he's cutting, he's looking for routes breaking
across the middle. And if you look at the Broncos defense,
I'm excuse me, offense, their go to play is somewhat
of a fifteen yard dig route, So I'm sure if
I'm seeing it, they see this too as well. And
Marshawn Lanamar, I mean, say what you want about him,
as from a corner standpoint, he is their top corner
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and the Broncos have not shown a propensity on a
consistent basis to take the ball deep. So if you
don't do that, you play right in the hands of
one Dennis Allen, the.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Other fans a big factor too.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
And I'm gonna be honest here, I don't know, based
on my experience of watching Dennis Allen defenses in New
Orleans how much it's changed from twenty twenty one to
twenty twenty four, based on the last time that Sean
saw that on the daily What I do know is
on the flip side, Sean Payton's offense isn't very different.
(09:10):
We see that, we know that from twenty twenty one
to now, there's not a lot of differences. And Dennis
Allen is looking at that tape this week and saying, yeah,
I've seen this, I know this comfortable coaching against this.
That is where I think I actually lean heavily into
what you're saying in terms of that advantage being actually
quite a bit more in the camp of Dennis. And
that leads into my point of that's the think where
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a lot of the critique has continued to come with
Sean in this offense is the need for more creativity,
the need to adapt this to be a bit more
of a modern offense, the need the complaints that Broncos
Country has had in terms of the pre snap movement
where it's not such a predictable offense. That could be
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a big problem. That plays right into Dennis Allen and
that defense is to get their defense rolling. Wouldn't that
be something. We saw what they just did and were
gashed by that Tampa defense. Wouldn't it be something and
a wake up call in terms of pressure added to
this team after Thursday. If Tampa's defense looks like World
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beaters all of a sudden, that'd be big cause for concern.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
That would be a huge cause for concern. But coach
Prayton has coached in this league a long time, and
when you do that, you learn a couple of things.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
And being able to adjust and adapt is one of
those things. And I learned this as a player, and
I also learned as a coach coaching in the league.
There's nothing wrong with looking around the league and seeing
what other teams are doing well and incorporating some of
that into your scheme. Now, there are coaches who are
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totally against it because they have come up on one
particular scheme and they know this scheme in and out.
But at sometimes you have to show a little evolution.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
You have to. I would say I would.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Like to see the Broncos look at this situation as
though they're in a similar position as the Saints.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
You're down your two top receivers. How can we.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Come up with some form of offense that we never
thought of? But this is where Joe Lombardi and Davis
Webb on the office side of the ball that they
now must go to Sean or whatever plays that they
drew up on a napkin at some point or whatever,
say look, it might be nice to run this particular play.
Let's just run it out there, right And I know
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it's a short week and you can't practice everything, but
having one or two rinkus a rod that you're saying
you can pick and choose at what point in the
game that you can run these particular plays.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
He said, Well, these are going to be a home run.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Plays and you can put them on a call sheet
and you can call them based on what you see.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
That is what the offense needs.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
They need something to build confidence that creates a spark.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
They need that spark offensively.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Let me ask you something here in the last couple
minutes we have in this segment, Sean Payton loves Davis
web is raved about him. Was adamant about getting him
on this coaching staff. How old is the guy? What
like three my.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Older than Davis Web?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
What eight? Twenty nine?
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Maybe Davis Web is twenty nine. I'm older than Davis Web.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
In terms of the ability to change and adapt and
be open up to new concepts and ideas. Does Sean
at all entertain the possibility? And I say this in
all due respect to Sean, and on the contrary in
terms of criticism, I'm saying this because I believe in
and I believe in Sean. What he's doing and what
could go ride along with? Line with that is my
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question to you, Nick, real quick? Should Sean open up
the opportunity for a guy that is inexperienced in terms
of coaching, a guy that he's a big fan of
Davis Web give him a crack at Maybe not full
play calling, I'm not saying that, but the opening scripts
as a.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Start or.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Some version of control of the offense to see what
he's got, and maybe Sean would appreciate what he brings
to the table even more so giving him a little
bit more leeway, would control of the offense a little I'm.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Gonna say yes, Okay. The reason I say yes, because
what's coach on the coaching staff spends the most time
with bo Knicks. It's not Sean Payton, it's not Joe Lombardi.
It's his quarterback coach. They talk a lot, They have
a good right yet too, what do you like? What
do you don't like? And then the fact that Davis
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web is what maybe three years removed from being a
backup quarterback with the Giants. I like to think that
he has some football knowledge that he can actually share.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
And we're not asking for a lot of plays. Well,
and you can tell either.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Coach Peyton can ask for it or it's probably gonna
be something we're Davis Webbs got to do it himself.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Coach.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Here a couple of plays that I was thinking about.
All right, tell me what you think about him. Just
just look at him. Tell me what you think about him.
And if they're good plays and the blocking, the scheme
and everything is great, you might have one of those
who plays you implement.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
It's something to think about. Because Sewan loves the guy,
He's raved about him. I think there's something to the
opportunity that he could give to him that isn't a
step back for Sean it's more a full circle moment
to say, let's get some freshness in here. Nothing against
me and my play calling, nothing against my plan, but
I want to see if we can bring something in
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that lets us adapt a bit more and expand and evolve.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Talk about evolving.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Yeah, but this is why I think Sean McVay did
this during the season. He allowed one of his young
officive coordinators to coach a preseason game. Just just go out,
then you coach preseason game. Sean me baby is still around.
If more coaches decided to do that, then we're talking
about the development some of the younger coaches, where now
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you get more energetic plays being you know, injected into
this scheme itself.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
The Broncos haven't made a trade yet, but the NFL
trade deadline is quickly quickly approaching.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
A lot of moves are made today.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
We'll continue to talk about these matchup with the Saints,
but also should the Broncos make any trades? Wide receiver,
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I've been teasing it all show along. My answer to
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the question, I've been asking y'all, what's the dumbest take
you have seen about bon Nicks so far this season?
Lots of different responses that I've seen both on the
text line tonight or on Twitter slash x over the
first six weeks of the season. He's not the guy
Broncos made a mistake. He's the reason the offense is
to blame. They should bench him. Whatever it is, Nick,
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none of them are as bad as the one that
I've seen a couple times now, and I almost literally
face palm. I feel myself getting a little angry. I
think if I were looking in the mirror, the smoke's
coming out my ears. I try hard to not reply.
I don't think I have to this certain take in
any capacity in any post seeing the name Bonnicks in
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the same sentence as Tim Tebow. I've seen multiple times
in terms of no, you have dumbest take. If you
search on Twitter or tweet deck, you type in Bonicks comma,
I'm not buying it. Not you type in Bonix comma
Tim Tebow, It'll bring up tweets that mention Bonnix and
Tim Tebow, and there have been comps. That is the
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dumbest take I have seen so far this season. Is
any comp in any setting, in any formation of words
that has Bonex at all being compared to Tim Tebow
based on the first six weeks of the season, Well,
see that.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Tells me that person or those people who utter those
sentiments or even hard at that tweet, they know nothing
about football and they're thinking with their emotions because there's
nothing remotely about bone Knick's game that is similar to
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Tim Tebow other than the fact, well, there's two things.
They were drafted in the first round and they're both quarterbacks.
That's about it. If you want to add it that
they wore Broncos uniform, I'll take it, But that is
the only comparison that you can make.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I will leave the names off of these tweets. I've
just you have to say that no, say I do
not want to get these people in trouble. I will
give them the respect to not throw them under the bus,
despite the.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
No more respect they say, it's of the idiotic, there's
no more respect.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Two days ago from we'll call him Timothy. The Denver
Broncos shut down Tim Tebow and now give bow Nicks
the keys to the car. When they are both the
same type of QB. We'll call this individual Roger made
up names. Bow Knicks shouldn't feel like a passing version
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of Tim Tebow. We love mile high Magic, but come on, oh,
here's another one, more cut and dry. The bow Knicks
Broncos are just the twenty twenty four Tim Tebow Broncos.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Terrible.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I'm gonna look at your screen and get these individuals
real names, and I might tweet at them like are
you ridiculous?
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Were you drinking? When you press sin?
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Bow Knicks will call this what's another name? We'll call
this one jack Jack bow Knicks is like watching Tim
Tebow on the Broncos all over again. These tweets are
all that I've read so far within the last couple days.
And finally, I will just go with this because this
is just right down to exactly what I'm talking about
in terms of the worst takes people comparing him to
Tim Tebow. This tweet simply just has bon Nix the
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equals sign Tim Tebow.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
What are we doing?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Sounds like those individuals have been drinking a lot of
either Sea Rooms or Jack Daniels.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I was lying. I'll read one more. I almost want
to say his first name. It's a very common name
and people and we'll call him. We'll call him Jack.
Last name Wagon Jack Wagon Tim Tebo was a better
QB than Bo Nicks. Oh no, here's another one, Axel
wanting to stop. But then I read one that's even better.
We'll call this guy Jack Number three bow Knicks is
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just tiny Tim Tebow. So again the question was what
is the worst take, the dumbest take you've seen him?
A Bonnicks so far the season? Taking the cake is
comparing him to Tim Tebow. Now, you dam Tabo couldn't
pass the.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Ball, You couldn't hit the bros out of the bar.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Go watch all of the Oregon tape, even if you
don't want to watch the first six weeks, which by
the way, shows already is better than Tim Teba. But
go watch Oregon tape two and then go watch Florida
from Tim Tebow's days. So you gave me four jet names,
made him name, Yeah, a bunch of jacks.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Yeah, yeah, you're right, they're right. But to Jack jack holes,
that's what they are.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Jack holes.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
First name Jack, last name Wagon geez now from six
zero zero six and twoche to this texture comment Spirit
health text line five six six nine zero. They say
it's just as dumb as comparing him to Elway. Yeah,
you probably shouldn't be doing that either, but I not
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in the same stratosphere, not in the same ballpark. But
it's you know, it's not as dumb. No, actually, I
mean it's it's more dumb. It's more dumb to compare
Bonuck to John Elway. But comparing Bonus to Tim Tebow
is just like you said, you don't know if you're
talking about you probably don't know football. You probably need
to reassess how you watch the game of football. Well
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that is what you think after first six weeks, because
the guy is growing, he's getting better. There are ways
that this offense and the coaching staff can compliment him.
There are weapons that could be acquired, whether it be
with a salary cap that'll free up with draft picks
over the next couple of years. And people like to
(21:59):
point out years ago, Oh, the Broncos should have taken
Josh Allen. Well, you know what, Josh Allen was pretty
darn bad in his first year or two. People like
to point that out. So I'll point out again because
bow Nicks is growing, Let the guy grow, and he
ain't in the process of the growth anywhere comparable to
Tim Tebow.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
No, that's my case.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Let's rewind for a second, because I've had individuals say
on Twitter X that bo Nicks in their pin has
some shades of John Elway. And I know you just
say that you don't think that that's proper to make
(22:40):
that comparison.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Why I'm gonna flip it back to you. Why do
you think it is in what ways? Because there are
some ways? But what are the ways that you think
that there are? Well, well, they're both they both were rookies.
They both suit it up an orange and blue, different
shades with orange and blue.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Both of their first games were comparable.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Both were draft Well, I was about.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
No, no, no, drafted by the Colts.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
At the very end of the day. Let's how fifteen
twenty years down the road, they'll be me. Maybe maybe
they'll be pick some comparisons, but right now you probably
shouldn't put them in the same sentence.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Well, that's not my.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
That wouldn't be my original comparison, Okay, Because I've compared
bow to both Josh Allen and Russell Wilson, and I've
got some pushback because of that, because you say, well,
the first two years for Russell.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Was not that great.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
But when I hear that, I'm like, well, you're not
really thinking in full context of what I am suggesting.
And what I why I make that comparison is that
watching bow over this season, how has he done outside
the pocket opposed to inside the pocket? What has he
done from an improvisational standpoint, when the pocket gets muddied,
(24:12):
he avoids its sack and he's able to pick up
yards or he's able to throw on the run. That's
where my comparison comes from. Because of the skill level
and the skill set that Bowl has that that are
similar to both of those quarterbacks. And I could choose
another quarterback and make that kind of comparison. I can say, well,
(24:36):
he reminds me a little of Joe Burrow at times.
But the whole concept is the ability to move and
maneuver in the pocket, having pocket presence, feel the pressure
coming because the pocket's gonna break down at some point.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do?
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I think you made me realize one of the things
I've liked the mo I like all that, by the way,
and I like I like some of those those tying
of comparisons there. The thing I just made think you
made me realize in terms of the the feel of
the game, the pocket awareness, the understanding that him relying
(25:17):
on his athleticism isn't I don't think. I don't think
a hindrance to his growth. But it's a nice.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Hedge. It's something that you can.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Be relied on while he's growing, not something that you
want him to always do. You never want him to
go one read and go you never want him to think,
I'm just I'm just I'm just gonna book this thing
because I don't. I don't I don't feel the pocket well,
I'm just gonna book it. He doesn't do any of that,
and we're only again, only six games in and a
(25:47):
lot of those signs that have continued to get better.
And knowing when to rely on that athleticism, I think
is a big time boosting confidence if you're looking for
signs of saying that, we obviously need to see a
lot more of this and we want to see him
not have to rely on some of what he's hedging
(26:07):
right now while he's learning the rest of the game.
But the signs that are there are extremely promising.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yeah, all signs are definitely there for Bo Nicks because
during the evaluation process there's certain things you look for
from quarterbacks and we hear it all the time. The
first thing that comes up is, oh my god, he's
got a live on. Well he should, he is a
damn quarterback. So let's talk about the other tangibles. Can
(26:37):
he lead? Can he command an offense? And we've seen
this season which led to the sideline conversation I'll call
it that right where Bo was like, look, man, I
saw something. I know what you call but I saw something.
I did something else. That's where you want the quarterback
(26:59):
to graduate to being able to have full command of
the offense, or he can change plays in the huddle
because at the end of the.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Day, he's the one playing Buehler.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yes, but that told me a lot about bow Nick's
aka Buehler because I've seen Ferris Bueller and Bueller did
a lot of things in the movie that were unorthodox,
but they also worked in his favor, did they not?
Speaker 1 (27:29):
So? I know, can his cadence now moving forward be
you get your car? You can't really do that. You
can't do that too loud, So.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
It's kind of a problem.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
You can't How does that work when you're on the road.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Oh yeah, he can't really silent count?
Speaker 3 (27:44):
No, you can't.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
But is there anything else? Euler? Pretty damn loud? Well,
you know what loud?
Speaker 2 (27:51):
If Peyton Manny can have Omaha, why can't bow Nicks
have Buehler as a call?
Speaker 4 (27:58):
And what is uh the worst one the NFL? Right now? Dax?
Here we go? Oh okay, what is that? That's what
he does?
Speaker 3 (28:06):
I know, what the hell is it? Hey, he's trying
to get him going. Hasn't worked out yet?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
No?
Speaker 4 (28:13):
What what could work out?
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Real quick in the in the in these next com
minutes here in this segment, is we We've been talking
all the show about about potential trade targets, knowing that
today wasn't the NFL trade deadline, it felt like it
because a couple of wide receivers run the move. Amari
Cooper going from Cleveland to Buffalo, Devontae Adams ed case
reuniting with Aaron Rodgers head case in New York, moving
(28:40):
on from the Raiders, get him out of the division
and not go the Chiefs. You've been talking about different
trade targets. I've been talking about different trade targets. But
I think there's a wide receiver you and I haven't
mentioned one from me and one from you. I know
you've wanted to kind of mention in terms of a
potential trade target for the Denver Broncos to get this
offense even mooring.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Here, Well, I already mentioned the Viscus Chanel. Yes, so
T Higgins could be another receiver.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Yep, So hoping our guy, hoping our guy, our last
guy to mention there would be the same. And it
very much is gotta pay the guy, do you not.
I think he's got coming up for a deal. Broncos
are a little short on money, just a smidge right now.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Well, here's the thing with the deal with Courlan Sutton's deal,
it looks it's it's not a deal that is keeping
Courtland Sutton here for another year.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
So if the team wanted to make a move, they
can do.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
That well, whether Sutton's here or not.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
With all due respect, maybe not because of the six
Games of chemistry so far with Bow and Sudden, but
you would think if that were to be long term,
I think T Higgins becomes your wide receiver one, and
that's a guy that one. He's not gonna be in Cincinnati,
So it's gonna be's gonna be on the movie somewhere.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
It's gonna be somewhere.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
And Cincinnati is not ever the most proactive team in
terms of making moves signing big deals. We're learning that obviously.
Jamar Chase cheap, Yeah, ask big Al, ask the Condor
about the Cincinnati Bengals and how they've always kind of
been that way cheap and then slow to big move.
So I don't think T Higgins is gonna get traded
(30:17):
before the deadline. I think he's gonna walk. It's gonna
be terrible for them. I mean that windows slam shut.
Forget about closing. I love Joe Burrow, but it's not
so My point is, I don't think that T Higgins
is a realistic option because of how Cincinnati handles things
and how they don't want to move on from him,
and you want to upset your quarterback and upset the
apple cart knowing that they still have a pay Jamar
(30:39):
Chase and what not.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
But it's an option, man.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
A couple of weeks left in this trade, with the trades,
with the trade deadline coming up on the fifth, after
that Baltimore game, I love to see him make a move.
I'd love to see him make a move. You said
you're favoring tight end. I I think it would be
so much more impactful for me. Wide receiver running back.
I think I like in house and running back and
seeing what estimate continues to offer maybe day later down
the road.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Bedey getting back healthy. Javante is now shown some flashes.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
I love Jalil mcloffin both on and off the field.
I think wide receivers that the option want to go with.
DeAndre Hopkins is aging, so it wouldn't be a long
term thing. You kind of want a youth movement kind
of guy. So T Higgins if you can get Sinsey
to move off of them.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
That could be the move.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I love that the Broncos have draft capital to be
able to dangle in front of the Cincinnati Bengals because
two thousand and five, I mean you got the first,
second third for fifth, sixth and seven, I mean you
can move some of those pieces around.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Even if you look to go to twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah, because I know most fans say, well, no, we
want to bring some young guys in there, but no,
you need some guys with some experience that can actually
benefit and you can build around both. The team is
already young offensively, you need a veteran guy who doesn't
have that many years in his career that still could
come in and provide adequate assistant football.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Continuing to build. Hopefully we build off of a win.
Coming up on Thursday. He is Nick Ferguson. I may
Rod Fillian for Ben. This is Broncos Country Night, rolling
along on the official radio home of your Denver Broncos.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
This is kaa
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