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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Six' nine zero is the text LINE a? Win what a? Win, overshadowed,
however by.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Events today as it comes out THE nfl is suspending
Dra greenlaw one.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Game i'm trying to get the verbiage here real, quick.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
For violation Of rule, Twelve section, Three article ONE, b
which prohibits the use of, abusive, threatening or insulting language
or gestures to, opponents, teammates, officials or representative of the.
Leagues after the conclusion of the, game Green law chased
Referee Brad allen and verbally threatened him.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
As he tried to leave the.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Field Green law will be eligible to return to The
broncos' active Roster, Monday october twenty, seventh following the game
against The Dallas.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Cowboys under THE. Cba he has three days to.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Appeal the, suspension and we are told he will appeal the.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Suspension, yeah you, know this isn't a good look for Green.
LAW i think is you kind of laid out for?
Me it just comes down to what was actually. Set,
SEE i think there's explicit, threats in which CASE i
would lean more towards. YOU i Think Brad allen has
also demonstrated not only in this, instance but throughout his
officiating career he's not a reliable.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Narrator and, YEAH i can't go that.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Far being a bad official is one, thing but that
doesn't have anything to do With and you told you
said something earlier when we were discussing.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
This earlier about it goes to his how'd you phrase?
That i'm trying, remember he goes to his decision.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Making that might have Been nicker Or ryan somebody said,
that but, anyway there was AND i agree with that
to a.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Degree BUT i will say, this.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
You cannot chase down an. Official it does not. Matter
it doesn't matter what you. Said it doesn't matter if,
you you, know went up to him and were, Like
i'll see you again, Soon, like he doesn't.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Matter you can't chase an.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Official and that's WHY i was so mad At Sean
payton running out there on the field in a move
that invertently helped The. BRONCOS i don't tell YOU i
don't want to take issue with The peyton. ONE i
do because leadership starts at the. Top if you're going
to hold people accountable for things you can't, do you
know the, rule it starts with. You you have you
have to be the example of, that or you can't
pass that now to your.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Troops AND i think it's quality. Leadership sometimes With Mike
malone or you, know up steps up and gets thrown
out of the game or picks up the technical we're
talking about one yard in that. MOMENT i don't.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Think it's that yard was actually beneficial to the broncost.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
EXACTLY i just but leadership starts at the, top and
you can't talk about having an un disciplined team and
that being a problem if you're undisciplined enough to go out.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
There, now here's What i'm. Hoping i'm hoping That Sean payton.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Knew that rule and that in a galaxy brain chess
move went out there to get that half yard to
make sure that The giants got in the end zone
on the next play so that he could get the ball.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Back i'm hoping. THAT i don't have. ANYTHING i don't
have anything to confirm that at.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
All i'm hoping that was the, case because otherwise it
is an excusable.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Move you Can't you can.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Jaw out the referee from the, sideline you can get
in their ear from the, sideline you can send the
tape to the league and, say this official has it
out first look at this. Play my corner is getting
mulled by the receiver and called for A depi it
was a ludicrous.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
FLAG i think if it hurts the, Team i'm with.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
YOU i think in that, moment whether or not he
was doing the calculus on the one yard helping the,
TEAM i think you're aware. That, man at this, point
they're giving The giants the ball at the two yard,
line at the one yard, line who cares if they
make it half the. Distance i'm gonna stick up for my,
GUYS i. DON'T i actually Applauded payton for. IT i
agree with you that maybe on a, spreadsheet it's not
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the most strategically positive. MOVE i take no issue with
my coach seeing the officials host his.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Guys and go stand up for. Him SEE.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I the only way that you stand up for him
in any meaningful, manner, though is to send it to the.
League because it's not getting overtarded the, moment nothing's gonna.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Happen same thing with a coach getting teed up or
a manager in, baseball.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
The very visible thing you got tossed out of the.
Game that is a very visible. Thing we got a sort.
Of this was extremely, visible but in a different.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Way shaw goes right back to the sidelines and he's right.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
There this, isn't you, know getting ejected like a basketball
coach where they get teed up on purpose to get.
Ejected so you rally around the missing coach like that's you,
know this is it's a little. Bit it's a little bit.
Different there aren't apples to apples. EXACTLY i get where
you're coming, from AND i get standing up for your, Guys,
LIKE i definitely get. THAT i JUST i was, like
in that, Moment i'm, like we have this problem with
this team being undisciplined this, year and now you've lost
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the high ground on being able to call that out
because you were undisciplined in that, moment or at least
appear to.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Be, YEAH i.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
GET i don't. Know i'm not a, player BUT i
think you crushed a lot OF. Dc BUT i think
these things seem a little different to me about just
like managing to jump off sides or not jump off
sides rather or lining up correctly or making sure your
shifts are managed, correctly to me seems different than What peyton.
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DID i guess you could lump it in with. Discipline
it seemed more intentional to. ME i GUESS i don't
think that was just Like Sean payton couldn't control his
emotions in that. MOMENT i think now whether or not
it was Him galaxy bringing, IT i think your point
That peyton knows the rules and knows that's gonna be
a penalty on him is an apt. ONE i don't
think he was surprised that what he did resulted in a.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Penalty, YEAH i, mean, look The Sean payton thing isn't
really relevant to the Green law thing other Than i'm, like,
dude this just goes to like, like this just goes
to people saying this team is. Undisciplined, look it starts
at the, top you, know and it sets the narrative
or sets the table for that narrative at the end
of the, day you.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
KNOW I.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
My problem here is. This you cannot chase after an.
Official you can't threaten an. Official AND i will tell
you in the suspension paperwork it is listed as a verbal.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Threat AND I i think.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
No one's disagreeing, on you, know should you be allowed
to run after it and yell at an. OFFICIAL i
think the disagreement is was it so egregious he deserves
to be suspended a whole game for. IT i get
what you're, saying where the letter of the lot maybe
doesn't leave any wiggle room for. That it's a binary
yes or, no and if, yes you are, guilty it's
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an automatic one game. Suspension to, ME i think whether
it's a fine or a suspension should come down to
really what was said that to me would would dictate
HOW i feel about. It if it was something really
egregious and you, KNOW i am going to find you
AND i am going to beat the life out of.
You like if something like that, said, yeah that's probably
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deserving of a. Suspension if it was hey, man you
need to get your act together between now and the
next TIME i see you something like, that is that
worthy of a one game?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
SUSPENSION i think that seems a little.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Ridiculous that's the, rules, Though and to be honest with,
you if it was a player on any other, TEAM
i don't think you would think it was. RIDICULOUS i
think we're all standing up for our guy because we
liked for a green. Long he's our. Guy but at
the end of the, day anybody chasing after an official
like you can't do. It Jalen carter was suspended for
a game for spinning on, somebody and to, me that.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Seems so much.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Worse but who's who's to, say is threatening to kick
my is threatening to kill me or kick my worse
Than and if it's that, explicit Then i'm with. You
if it's that, Explicit i'm with you for. Sure you,
know and we don't know the exact verbage it was,
used but that referee did say that it was there
was a verbal threat to his, person and so you,
know we'll See Drake greenlaw is appealing, it so he'll
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get due process on the on the, thing he'll have
the option to he'll have the opportunity to interject The
stronad video if that's his. Defense WHAT i will say
is the video From pallisero on the sideline Shows Drake
greenlaw already going directly out at that referee Before justine started.
Out it's even in the, Frame so you know there's
going to me at the end of the. Day this
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is a situation that spiraled out of control that didn't need.
To you had a referee who was like trying to
avoid a scrum and used entirely too aggressive a manner
to Move stranaud out of the way to get out of. There,
Uh and you have an upset team and a bad.
Call and don't get me, wrong it was absolutely a
laughably bad call On Riley, moss one of the Worst
i've seen in.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Years but you had the situation sort of spiral out of.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Control and Where i'm, from you have to have the
personal accountability and the restraint to be able to hold
yourself back from doing things like.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
That that's not about sticking up for your.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Teammates sticking up for your, teammates taking the video of
Him shovenster not and sending up the league.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Office so the guy gets. Fired now he's not going
To AND i, think, again, yes he didn't handle it.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
WELL i think the frustration is this penalty seems agregious
not knowing what was. SAID i think there's certainly things
that could have been said that it is deserving of
a one game. Suspension but we are talking about the
official that judged that this was a serious threat deserving
of being reported and maybe leading to a one game.
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Suspension is the same official who in a critical game
said it Was Dan skipper who reported as an article.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Receiver, again these are what about? It so that that
doesn't have anything to do with this. SITUATION i get
that demonstrates he's an unreliable. NARRATOR. R that's what it.
Was you, said, yeah, S and there is an element to.
That i'll grant you there's an element to.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
That But i'm very careful about what aboutisms and situations
that don't.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
You, know that don't.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Apply we see it all the time in political, discourse
which is why it's so, toxic and we see it
a lot of times in these kinds of. Things somebody
was trying to do the same thing About Aaron glenn
walking on the field Versus Sean.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Payton i'm, like who, wrongs don't make it. Right it's exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
What who wrongs don't make a, Right and if you
don't want to have a, suspension don't.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Do the wrong.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Thing it's in the rule. Book it's very. Clear you
cannot chase an official down after a. Game it's there
are the. Rules you've known this since you Played Pop warner.
Football it's drilled into you at the lowest levels of.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Football this isn't.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
New and so to sit there and, say, WELL i
applaud very greatly offers sticking up for his. Teammate the
stick up for your teammate, was, hey, MAN i got
you saw.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
That let's get that. Video let's have coach cut that
video and send that to the.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
League we won't have this jack wagon out here officiating games.
Anymore and he has a checkered history of bad calls in.
Games the league shouldn't have these guys out there officiating
if they're that. Bad i've HAD i have had a
bone to pick with the league on officiating for more
than a decade because as a better my money swings
on some of these bad.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Calls. Right So i've Been i've been.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Advocating for full time, officials because there are they aren't
full time, officials they're part.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Time i've been.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Advocating for AN nfl officiating academy that the league pays.
For i've been advocating for a review process that allows
week to week reviews of these. Officials now the league
has gotten better about. It they, Terminated, uh it was
four or five officials this off this off season for
bad calls the previous. Season but some of these guys
have slipped through the, crack and let's you, know we've
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got To we've got to do.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
That you can't with this Green law situation assume.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Anything you can't assume it's about you, know him Touching,
sternaut you can't assume.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Anything what you have to do is.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
You have to know that him chasing after the referee
you start, there chasing after the ref is. Wrong doesn't matter,
why and you can't make assumptions about why it occurred
because if you look at the angle on The Peal sero,
video it does not look like it that That that
just looks like that's something that occurred in the instance
of him making a bee line towards the. Official SO
i for, Me i'm frustrated that the self discipline isn't
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there with the head coach going onto the field with
with uh with Green law going after an official because
it didn't change. Anything she's, Like you're, right The Sean
payton thing. Didn't i'm not frustrating for drawing a. Penalty
i'm frustrating at the demonstration. There LIKE i, GET i
get that you're sticking up for your, Guys but the
way to stick up for your guys is to cut
the video and send it to you and get the
guy fired for being.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
INCOMPETENT i don't.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
DISAGREE i think in the heat of that, moment like
the oh, no don't, worry, Guys i'm gonna send the
video to the league is probably a little less s
galvanizing than you, know they're running out there and arguing
and getting him.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Fired. IS i promise you can bring everybody. In you're, like,
yeah remember.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
This jack Wet tuesday Or, wednesday but not in. That
that's not doing anything for. Anybody right then on the
on the, sidelines well.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
You can yell at the official on the. SIDELINE i,
mean you know what the world's.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Going off flag it's if it's the white, hat bring him,
over you Get you're justified for. THAT i need you
to explain this to. Me you justified, it and the
official will come to.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
You but you. Can't you, know you can't go out
on the. Field you've been a coach in THE. Nfl for,
hell has he been coaching eighteen years? Now seventeen? Years eighteen? Years,
yeah at least something we don't.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Hear you're a guy who's whole time winning percentage is
like near near or over sixty.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Percent you know the, rules you know, this you know
better And that's the.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
THING i don't think it's a, debate at least to,
me about did The broncos break the rules or. NOT
i think it's you, know if someone committed robbery from
a convenience store and they're facing twenty five, years and it's, like,
okay that seems maybe a little egregious at face value
where they was it armed? Robbery were they threatening the
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life of the cashier with a? Gun that MAYBE i
could see the twenty five. Years did they pocket a
Kit cat bar on their way out of the convenience,
store Then i'd say the twenty five years seems a little.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Extreme did you know stealing was? Wrong and that's the.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Thing we can still say you should know thee and
the Kit cat bar that was. Wrong, HOWEVER i agree
with you on justice. System give you twenty five years seems.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Agreed but you have no excuse you if you knew
it was wrong and you did it, anyway you put
your elf at risk for that penalty like that twenty five,
Years you put yourself at risk for, That.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
But that doesn't make the penalty. RIGHT i think those
are two different.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Discussions they Are that's exactly What i'm hitting. On we
are having two different discussions what is fair and what is.
Right you're talking about what is? Fair is it fair
to punish somebody twenty five years for studie kit. Kemmar,
no it's really kind of. Not but is it correct
under the. Law if it, IS i, mean then it.
Is and so that you put yourself at risk for
the maximum penalty if you knowingly do the wrong.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Thing and there we're in, agreement like this is an undisciplined.
Team they open the door for them to, have you,
know painful penalty stuff like. This all season long they've done,
that AND i, think being frustrated with some loud examples
of that lack of discipline showing up in this most recent,
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GAME i think that's.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Very, FAIR i.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
GUESS i JUST i also think it, seems until we
know what was, said does seem like a lot of,
PUNISHMENT i guess coming from that one, OFFICIAL i think that's.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
A lot of.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
It where you have this guy almost take the game from,
you and if that wasn't, enough he's taking away a
critical defensive player away from you for this next game.
TOO i think the eighth symmetry of that.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Away or did the player put himself in a position
to be taken away by going in this is that's
the real debate we're having here fair BECAUSE i THINK
i agree with.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
You it.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Sucks that penalty, sucks and that penalty's egregious and it
does seem like it's over the. Top although we don't
know what he, said let's. Assume let's Give we'll give
you for this. Debate we'll Give greenlow the benefit of the.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Doubt. Right my problem is you have to.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Be mentally, savvy mentally disciplined enough to know not to
bleep over your teammates by not being there the next
game because you went out there to chase down a.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Referee what's going to be the result of? That there's no.
Positive you have to do an internal.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Cost benefit, analysis, right what is the benefit of be doing?
This there is no, Benefit you're going to get. Nothing
what is potential cost of? THIS i could be suspended
for this and find. Right so you have to have
the mental, fortitude the mental discipline to not put yourself
in that situation because in the, end standing up for
your teammate leaped over your. Teammates, Right you're not gonna
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be there for the next. Game most likely we'll see
on the.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Appeal do you think there's any chance there's a chance.
Successful there's a chance that this appeal could be successful if.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Audio shows it was a lighter way to make, this
like this was a misunderstanding THAT i interpreted his move
Of sternad as, aggressive AND i, thought and that's WHY
i went up, there that you're gonna have to spin
it that.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Way you need to go sit in front of your
your pr guys right.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Now you need to cut every angle to make sure
it backs up your, story and then you go take
this to the league and SAY i misinterpreted the. Situation
i'd like to apologize the REF i. MISINTERPRETED i thought
he was being aggressive with my teammate after we were
charged up after a bad, call and so this was
that was MY i request that you were sending my
suspension and go make it a. Fine i'll apologize to
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the referee for you know that kind of. Thing you
go from, that and that's that's how you get it.
Reduced that's that's about the only path to get it.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Reduced.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Here so you think it's about the explanation of where
Green law was coming, from OR i guess what all
created the. HUB i think Green law has to say
whether it's true or not that The sternad, situation he
thought that was an, aggressive intentional move Towards, sternaud misinterpreted
that and went to go protect his. Guy i'd have
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to assume that's the angle That broncos pr and everyone's
going to be coaching him up.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
On right, now do you think.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
What was said carries any weight at? All what was
by Green law to the.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Officials is all assuming that Green law did not directly
threaten to physically harm the.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Official if he, did it's game he, cooked. Okay but
if he did.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Not do, that and like you, know next time you
do that or something that says something along those lines actually.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Be interpreted as a.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Threat that isn't exactly SO i don't know the exact.
Verbiage ALL i know is the Official Brat allen in
the paperwork for this and his sworn statement is a verbal.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Threat that's ALL i.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Know so we we do know it's specifically a threat
because It's RULE spific listed as verbal threat from, him
Not john Green. Law he broke whatever rule and threat
is part of right and as part of that is
now that pertains to that rule that they listed out
but he's OUT i brought to have, delibered have said
that listed in the paperwork it says verbal.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Threat, YEAH i mean.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
That.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
THEN i think that's a huge part of. This and
like you, said.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Why was Green law running out there in the first?
Place can you make a reasonable case that you were
running out to celebrate with the team and then you
saw this third ad thing and WEREN'T i understand your,
perspective but can you at least reasonably argue that you
weren't immediately making the bee line for put this in
before we we'll.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Hit a break here a, Minute we'll get on to
celebrate in the, victory BECAUSE i THINK i just hate
spending so much time on this after having a great.
Win but this is a good, debate and it's it's
good to have this BECAUSE i love it when people
disagree with me and have a balanced logical argument in their,
disagreement which you. HAVE i, look at the end of the,
day if on a personal, level somebody insulted me or
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did me, wrong like for, instance there was a whole
lot of bad reporting about SOMETHING i said About Jayler
wattle last, week right that led to reporters In miami
saying things about me on a personal level that were
incorrect as, well but frankly. HORRIBLE i can't go threaten
to beat them. Up IF i, do that's a threat of,
assault right. LIKE i can't go threaten to do, that
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whether it's you, know whether they whether they wronged me or.
NOT i have to have the mental, fortitude even On,
twitter to sit there and just be, like you know,
what you can make up whatever you want about. Me
at the end of the, Day i'll move, on you.
Know or if somebody calls you soft or. Whatever, Okay
i've started in combat three. Times it saved, me you,
know miss Me internet. Nerd that's a recent TWEET i
put out, verbatim so have fun with. That BUT, i,
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like you have to have the mental discipline to, understand
even if something wrong, occurs what is the cost of
benefit analysis going to? Be and because when we react
on emotion usually we're not doing, that you, know we
have to find the dis of the internal discipline to
reign in our emotions and make logical decisions on. That
and that's, tough tougher for some people than. Others you,
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Know i'm fortunate enough That i've been mostly pretty good at.
It doesn't MEAN i always have. IT i haven't been,
perfect but on a personal, LEVEL i understand consequences of
actions doing things like.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
That and a quick shout.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Out to Ke robinson for trying his darnness to save Very,
green having that presence of mind to come over there
and save your teammate in the appropriate.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Way that's exactly WHERE i was headed with. That you
beat me to. It we got to hit a. Break
we'll be back right for.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
THIS i after talking about Very green law, THERE i
want to get away from that from. THEN i want
TO i want to soak this, in, MAN i want
to soak this win, in this utterly, ludicrous, ridiculous maybe
even delusional, win depending on who you talk.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
TO i wanted to soak it BECAUSE i have Seen
i've seen a lot of football in my.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
LIFE i mean a lot of football my, life high school, level,
junior high, Level Pop warner, level college, level professional, level
minor professional. LEVEL i have seen thousands of games of,
football AND i have never seen something like.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
What occurred in that fourth. QUARTER i.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
LIVED i wasn't here In, denver BUT i saw the
tebow stuff from them. Afar this was something that was
just completely different here's a stat for. You here's a
stat for you and everybody out. Here listen to this
because this is going to make your head. Explode we
scored four touchdowns in a field. Goal they scored five.
Touchdowns they. Lost we run that by. Again they scored five.
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Touchdowns we scored four touchdowns in a field.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Goal they.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Lost, No it's, insane and like the tebowt comebacks were
unreal and unprobable and then just amazing in so many different.
Ways but they were these the crazy comebacks to come
back from you, know down seventeen nothing or thirteen to
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three or, whatever and they were amazing comebacks in the final.
Minutes but coming back from three possessions, down scoring thirty
plus points in a single quarter in a vacuum's. Amazing
doing it after three quarters of being shut out is
truly unheard, Of it unprecedented in THE.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Nfl in just an amazing.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
GAME i will, say, like we need to have a
serious conversation about this. Offense we need to have a
serious conversation about the base offense like we. Do, yeah
and What Sean payton is. Doing BUT i don't want
to get into that. TODAY i JUST i want to
celebrate the. WIN i don't want to get into like
like we.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
CAN'T i want to put a pin in that Because
i'm gonna come back to it.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Tomorrow we can't allow bad process to justify an incredibly good.
Result BUT i got to soak in this. Result, Man
i've never seen historic. Football it was funny BECAUSE i
was getting some texts from some alumni that were. There you,
know we were chatting back and forth during the game
and all that, stuff and there was a like towards
like in the middle of the third, quarter there was a,
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frustrated a very frustrated sentiment from some of those alums
about what's going, on especially ON Dt. Day some exploitas
were used about what happened On My Shanahan, day you
know when The raiders beat.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Us you remember that My Shanahan.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Day, yeah that was The Nate hackett, year, Right, yeah
there was there was some some serious frustration out. There,
uh and that frustration. Remains but even you, know talking
to those they're like they had never seen. You LIKE
i played in how many football, Games i've never seen
something like this where you watch one team epically choke
and the other team take advantage at the exact right
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moments to make, it to make it, HAPPEN i will,
Say and you don't get that comeback without some help
from The.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
GIANTS i think they. Interception what were you doing throwing the?
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Ball my Numbing and Again i'm not trying to say
didn't choke at.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
All there was certainly some of.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
That BUT i think part of what made it such
an amazing comeback by The broncos and an even crazier
effort was throughout that fourth quarter The giants still got
some very fortunate. Breaks you, know they get sixty seventy
yards of penalties on that one drive to set up
an easy one yard.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Touchdown they get a.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Deflection touchdown of their, own Except i'd argue there's is
even more miraculous because it's two crossing receivers way further.
Downfield it doesn't get popped up in the air really
high like the The Troy franklin touchdown. Did it just
bounces right into the other guy's hands and he takes
into the house. Uncontested you, know like having two scores
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like that go against you as you're attempting to mount
your comeback would sink ninety to ninety five percent of
all comeback attempts and it didn't sink The, broncos and
certainly The giants helped with.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
That BUT i think that.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
It also just to make it's such an incredible. Game
i'm still at a loss for. Words there's you could
focus on so many different aspects of that come, back
comeback and spend ten to fifteen minutes on. It there's,
yeah really the craziest Game i've ever seen at any
level myself. Too, yeah there's there's a great text here
(24:20):
from the five to four one says every Preseason ben,
says in the regular, season nothing that matters but the final.
SCORE i love the fact that that is finally seeping
into the lexicon for. Everybody in the, preseason everything matters
but the final, score and the regular season nothing matters
but except the final. Score, however you know how it,
is nothing, matters and you know the Butt, look you're,
(24:40):
right and it. Doesn't AND i want to celebrate this,
victory but again tomorrow or down the road this, WEEK
i do want to get into some of the process
because we have some disturbing patterns that are emerging with
how we're, winning and those are not. Sustainable we have
a habit of being a very stagnant offense for the
better part of three, quarters sometimes three plus, quarters and
then all Like, frampton we come. Alive and this is
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not A bow. Thing this is the same thing that
happened Under. Russ we were we were crap for three.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
QUARTERS i Think russ's evidence that it's not a quarterback.
Problem right, Man brush had the most fourth quarter comebacks that.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
SEASON i, mean there was there's something to. It correlation isn't,
causation but there's something to the fact that it's not
strictly A bow, problem because the same thing occurred With
sean And. Russ, yeah but this also wasn't occurring last
year we were At we had some some games last
year where we were staggering on offense through three quarters
and then started to come. Alive, NOW i mean we
had some Other dealers Or seahawks When bo was like
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just figuring himself.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
OUT i GET i don't see that trend as.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
MUCH i think there's a problem with the offense being
incredibly conservative and wildly conservatively.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Called BUT i Think bo has a very real hand in.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
THAT i mean there's, like in the first half, alone
there's ten incompletions on straight dropback concepts that are entirely
Bo nix's, fault whether it's a ball being batted at the,
line ball being overthrown on a open, receiver where, yes
it is, painful how conservative this offense, is how newter
this offense, Is.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
But when they do open it, up it's.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Incredible in the fourth, quarter it was in the first three,
quarters there were plenty of straight dropback opportunities where bo
is way.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Off OH i put that On, twitter and people, like
you're being, Wrong he's not. Inaccurate i'm, like, bro did
you just watch that sideline shot that was a yard
and a half out of Bounds and that's WHAT.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I, played where you, know he's the first throw To Pat.
Bryan bryan's like climbing.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
The, ladder going up, there trying to get it and
can't catch the ball because it was thrown way too.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
High but what was it five six yards in front of?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Him AND i don't know if That's bob, being you,
know having nerves early in. Games we've seen him too
sped up at. TIMES i don't know what that. Is
but there are things that and we'll get into this.
AGAIN i want to, Say i'm already doing it where
we're delving into this stuff BECAUSE i want this hard
not to BUT i want to celebrate the win a
little bit just because we had we hadn't seen.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
THAT i want.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
TO i want to give hat tips to people that you,
know to people that deserve. IT i, thought you, KNOW
i Thought greenlow played pretty well on a pitch. Count
he's making the case to be the other.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Guy he's making the case to be the other.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Guy Alex singleton right now Is butter's making a. Case
And i'm gonna be. HONEST i, mean he's got more
of one at this. Point, ABSOLUTELY i don't know what
the case is For. Singleton at this.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Point he's. FASTER i, mean that's that's the, case is
he when you.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Watch him move around out. THERE i differ in the,
hips but he's. Faster he gets a. Look watch the
play the interception where Stir not gets.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
It Watched Alex singleton get the pressure on.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Him he bowls camp scat of, ball overshoots over and
then you, know and it affects the.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Play now he didn't, finish.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Which is a problem With, singleton but you, know there
are you see plays like that on tape and as a,
coach you're, like all, right, okay these are the things
we need out, here and he's get them.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
DONE i just think there are two or three of
those moments in a, game AND i see five snaps
a game Where Alex singleton is chasing a player as
if he's playing flag football and trying to find the
flag on their waistread like.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Like it's, like manday save, that save that, audio thank.
You that's just the.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
VISUAL i have where it's like he's, fit looks like
he's you, know head, down trying to hunt and tech for.
Something and it's because he's the hips are so, tight
the movement SKILLS i it doesn't seem like they're there
at this.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Point. Man, like there's coverage.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Gaps AND i know the blown coverage was On, huvanga
but there's regular coverage gaps with. Him there's regular reading
gaps with him when it comes to like trying to
read out where the run play's going and trying to
fill a. Hole like the read and react stuff's regressed with.
Him he's an unreliable. Tackler he struggles to get to
THE spoty needs to get.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
TO i don't.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Know my biggest problem with him is the tackling portion
of this defense you can't miss because of the way it's.
Designed you can't miss. Tackles if you miss a, tackle
it's going to bust for a big. Game we saw
some of Those scatterble got a couple of plays like
that where he busted some tackles or shook off some
what should have been tackles and then got upfield and,
turned you, know turned what should have been a minimal
gain or a loss into eighteen or thirteen yard. Gains
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there's a couple of those. Plays you can go back
and look the tape. On so everyone's on an Eye,
Linch i'm with you on. That it's left to provide
how Bad Justin field. Is did you see that presser
from Maryng glyn?
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Today, no but they've been getting progressively.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
WORSE i feel so today and THIS i thought he
got unfairly unfairly dumped on today because he was at
the presser and he, says, YEAH i haven't decided If
i'm gonna Bench Justin fields for the season. YET i
wanted to talk to some coaches who have been through
benching a quarterback BEFORE i consult with.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Them AND i thought that was an incredibly mature. Statement
that's a great. ANSWER i agree with.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
You he is getting roasted alive on social media for,
That like.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Your coach and you don't know what to do in this,
situation like he's terribly.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Good And i'm, like, yeah, YEAH i mean you do
got a Midfields like he's, Bad he's embarrassingly.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Bad you do have to bench.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Him but talking To Dan campbell And Sean payton who
have benched quarterbacks, before and consulting with people that you,
know like what what how are We how are we
blasting somebody from getting more expertise as you as you
prepare to make a.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Decision, Yeah like that's.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
GOOD i don't want my coach assuming they always know.
BEST i think that's maybe a problem The broncos are.
Experiencing but you want some humility with your, Coach and
like when things got really bad In New, ENGLAND i
think part of the reason it got really bad In
New england Was Bill belichick kind of lost some of that,
humility lost the ability to listen to different ideas or
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pull ideas from different, areas and it got really gross
In New england as a. RESULT i think you want
your head, coach you, know leaning on their tree and
asking their mentors what SHOULD i do?
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Here what SHOULDN'T i do?
Speaker 3 (30:39):
HERE i wonder if maybe he's getting burned because last
week he kind of shot down that one reporter's question
about if he'd consider benching, Fields and maybe this is
the media trying to get theirs, back but that seems
like an incredibly mature answer from the coach right last.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Week, like AND i understand Where Aaron glenn was coming
from last week, too even though he didn't like.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
IT i was, like you should have maskeed him last.
Week you, knew you. KNOW i, mean you.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Can kind of play it off, as, oh we played The,
broncos but then you Saw Jackson dart have the game
he did against The broncos after your quarterback had the
game he, did and you kind of have to, like
you're out of excuses for fields at that.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Point BUT i, like but but what he was doing
was sticking up for his.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Guy like he can't say, like because if you say
anything other than laughing that reporter's question, off like what
are we doing, Here you've undermined your confidence in Justin
fields and you can't go.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
To him at all, Anyway SO i get.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
It he was trying to stick up for his, guy
even if we find that to be a, bit you,
know a bit, ludicrous and go from. THERE i had
a couple of text. Commands somebody asked who the center was?
Yesterday it Was, wattenberg the same center we Had pawshowski
at the left.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
GUARD i, thought you did. Well he did all.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
RIGHT i, like there were he was still a liability
at some, points BUT i mean that's sort of to
be expected by bar was an Injured Matt, parrot and from.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
That, BAR i was very happy with WHAT i saw From.
Pouchho my bar Was Calvin.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Brockborton you got one practice With kelvin Brockbort you were, like,
oh hell, no and that.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Scared IT'S i Knew matt was injured last, week BUT
i was, like, man if that was the first option
and the second option lasted one, Practice i'm a little
scared what option number three might look.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Like and thankfully it was.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Serviceable, YEAH i was a little worried when mcglinchy came
up limping a couple of.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Times we had to get cram out.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
There like We've we've had some pretty good injury luck
over the last couple of, years and it feels like
the regression of the mean might be happening a little
bit this year on some.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
THINGS i agree, some BUT i think every WEEK i
look at Who lebroncos are playing on the injury, report
no walking dead, Report, yeah and it's like there's twenty,
dudes And i'm, like, okay you know, what maybe Maybe
I'm i'm just not.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Seeing the forest for the.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Trees i'm a little too focused in On denver and it,
feels you, know cataclysmic That Ben towers is. Out but
you look around the league and it feels like a
lot of teams are beat up and, missing you, know
four or five important contributors right.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Now, yeah it's it's it's interesting Because Ben powers wasn't.
Playing it wasn't wasn't.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
PLAYING i mean he was, playing, okay you's was, serviceable
but it wasn't commiserate with the l that he's being.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Paid i'll put it to that. Way he And wattenberg
had been a bit of.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
A liability on the, offense specifically the weak links on
the offensive. Line so far this, Year wattenburg continues to
be the erratic snapping sometimes you snap at. Them he's
the one he snapped high to. Bow it was rough all. Day,
yeah it's it's it's, erratic h and the blocking isn't
at a level where you can get away with that
sort of.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Snapping you know WHAT i.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Mean both those guys have been have had moments this
year where you're, like, yeah and this needs to be.
Better and so that that's sort of the thing With
powers out and you get these other guys in you
and you see the drop off from his production to
where those guys were Like pert for, instance and you're.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Like oh my, God i'll take That powers.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Back, yeah that's one THING i will Say George, payton
for all he has done well to overturn this, ROSTER
i wish there was just a little more investment in
the offensive line BECAUSE i do think it shows up
when you have that That Ben power's injury and it's, like,
man which which udfa do we want to turn two
to come and save? Us at this, point and it's
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also evident at center where you're choosing between two seventh round,
picks both of which have probably outlived their draft stock
but maybe or outperform their draft, stock but maybe haven't.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Been quality.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
STARTERS i think it's safe to, say and you're still
kind of stuck with them because there's just not a
better alternative out. THERE i would love to see, them you,
know like draft to center or a really well thought
of interior lignement high in this. Draft Replaced wattenberg in
twenty twenty, six and then you have a built In
Ben powers replacement, too maybe in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Seven, yeah one of the GUYS i wanted them to
replace With Connor aluet is done for the season down
there At auburn.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Too really.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Sad, yeah sad. Stuff we got a break and we come.
Back we're gonna get a little bit more into just
how they pulled this Off Rocos country tonight
Six' nine zero is the text LINE a? Win what a? Win, overshadowed,
however by.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Events today as it comes out THE nfl is suspending
Dra greenlaw one.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Game i'm trying to get the verbiage here real, quick.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
For violation Of rule, Twelve section, Three article ONE, b
which prohibits the use of, abusive, threatening or insulting language
or gestures to, opponents, teammates, officials or representative of the.
Leagues after the conclusion of the, game Green law chased
Referee Brad allen and verbally threatened him.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
As he tried to leave the.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Field Green law will be eligible to return to The
broncos' active Roster, Monday october twenty, seventh following the game
against The Dallas.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Cowboys under THE. Cba he has three days to.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Appeal the, suspension and we are told he will appeal the.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Suspension, yeah you, know this isn't a good look for Green.
LAW i think is you kind of laid out for?
Me it just comes down to what was actually. Set,
SEE i think there's explicit, threats in which CASE i
would lean more towards. YOU i Think Brad allen has
also demonstrated not only in this, instance but throughout his
officiating career he's not a reliable.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Narrator and, YEAH i can't go that.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Far being a bad official is one, thing but that
doesn't have anything to do With and you told you
said something earlier when we were discussing.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
This earlier about it goes to his how'd you phrase?
That i'm trying, remember he goes to his decision.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Making that might have Been nicker Or ryan somebody said,
that but, anyway there was AND i agree with that
to a.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Degree BUT i will say, this.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
You cannot chase down an. Official it does not. Matter
it doesn't matter what you. Said it doesn't matter if,
you you, know went up to him and were, Like
i'll see you again, Soon, like he doesn't.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Matter you can't chase an.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Official and that's WHY i was so mad At Sean
payton running out there on the field in a move
that invertently helped The. BRONCOS i don't tell YOU i
don't want to take issue with The peyton. ONE i
do because leadership starts at the. Top if you're going
to hold people accountable for things you can't, do you
know the, rule it starts with. You you have you
have to be the example of, that or you can't
pass that now to your.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Troops AND i think it's quality. Leadership sometimes With Mike
malone or you, know up steps up and gets thrown
out of the game or picks up the technical we're
talking about one yard in that. MOMENT i don't.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Think it's that yard was actually beneficial to the broncost.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
EXACTLY i just but leadership starts at the, top and
you can't talk about having an un disciplined team and
that being a problem if you're undisciplined enough to go out.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
There, now here's What i'm. Hoping i'm hoping That Sean payton.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Knew that rule and that in a galaxy brain chess
move went out there to get that half yard to
make sure that The giants got in the end zone
on the next play so that he could get the ball.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Back i'm hoping. THAT i don't have. ANYTHING i don't
have anything to confirm that at.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
All i'm hoping that was the, case because otherwise it
is an excusable.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Move you Can't you can.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Jaw out the referee from the, sideline you can get
in their ear from the, sideline you can send the
tape to the league and, say this official has it
out first look at this. Play my corner is getting
mulled by the receiver and called for A depi it
was a ludicrous.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
FLAG i think if it hurts the, Team i'm with.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
YOU i think in that, moment whether or not he
was doing the calculus on the one yard helping the,
TEAM i think you're aware. That, man at this, point
they're giving The giants the ball at the two yard,
line at the one yard, line who cares if they
make it half the. Distance i'm gonna stick up for my,
GUYS i. DON'T i actually Applauded payton for. IT i
agree with you that maybe on a, spreadsheet it's not
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the most strategically positive. MOVE i take no issue with
my coach seeing the officials host his.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Guys and go stand up for. Him SEE.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I the only way that you stand up for him
in any meaningful, manner, though is to send it to the.
League because it's not getting overtarded the, moment nothing's gonna.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Happen same thing with a coach getting teed up or
a manager in, baseball.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
The very visible thing you got tossed out of the.
Game that is a very visible. Thing we got a sort.
Of this was extremely, visible but in a different.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Way shaw goes right back to the sidelines and he's right.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
There this, isn't you, know getting ejected like a basketball
coach where they get teed up on purpose to get.
Ejected so you rally around the missing coach like that's you,
know this is it's a little. Bit it's a little bit.
Different there aren't apples to apples. EXACTLY i get where
you're coming, from AND i get standing up for your, Guys,
LIKE i definitely get. THAT i JUST i was, like
in that, Moment i'm, like we have this problem with
this team being undisciplined this, year and now you've lost
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the high ground on being able to call that out
because you were undisciplined in that, moment or at least
appear to.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Be, YEAH i.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
GET i don't. Know i'm not a, player BUT i
think you crushed a lot OF. Dc BUT i think
these things seem a little different to me about just
like managing to jump off sides or not jump off
sides rather or lining up correctly or making sure your
shifts are managed, correctly to me seems different than What peyton.
(04:49):
DID i guess you could lump it in with. Discipline
it seemed more intentional to. ME i GUESS i don't
think that was just Like Sean payton couldn't control his
emotions in that. MOMENT i think now whether or not
it was Him galaxy bringing, IT i think your point
That peyton knows the rules and knows that's gonna be
a penalty on him is an apt. ONE i don't
think he was surprised that what he did resulted in a.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Penalty, YEAH i, mean, look The Sean payton thing isn't
really relevant to the Green law thing other Than i'm, like,
dude this just goes to like, like this just goes
to people saying this team is. Undisciplined, look it starts
at the, top you, know and it sets the narrative
or sets the table for that narrative at the end
of the, day you.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
KNOW I.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
My problem here is. This you cannot chase after an.
Official you can't threaten an. Official AND i will tell
you in the suspension paperwork it is listed as a verbal.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Threat AND I i think.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
No one's disagreeing, on you, know should you be allowed
to run after it and yell at an. OFFICIAL i
think the disagreement is was it so egregious he deserves
to be suspended a whole game for. IT i get
what you're, saying where the letter of the lot maybe
doesn't leave any wiggle room for. That it's a binary
yes or, no and if, yes you are, guilty it's
(06:08):
an automatic one game. Suspension to, ME i think whether
it's a fine or a suspension should come down to
really what was said that to me would would dictate
HOW i feel about. It if it was something really
egregious and you, KNOW i am going to find you
AND i am going to beat the life out of.
You like if something like that, said, yeah that's probably
(06:28):
deserving of a. Suspension if it was hey, man you
need to get your act together between now and the
next TIME i see you something like, that is that
worthy of a one game?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
SUSPENSION i think that seems a little.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Ridiculous that's the, rules, Though and to be honest with,
you if it was a player on any other, TEAM
i don't think you would think it was. RIDICULOUS i
think we're all standing up for our guy because we
liked for a green. Long he's our. Guy but at
the end of the, day anybody chasing after an official
like you can't do. It Jalen carter was suspended for
a game for spinning on, somebody and to, me that.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Seems so much.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Worse but who's who's to, say is threatening to kick
my is threatening to kill me or kick my worse
Than and if it's that, explicit Then i'm with. You
if it's that, Explicit i'm with you for. Sure you,
know and we don't know the exact verbage it was,
used but that referee did say that it was there
was a verbal threat to his, person and so you,
know we'll See Drake greenlaw is appealing, it so he'll
(07:19):
get due process on the on the, thing he'll have
the option to he'll have the opportunity to interject The
stronad video if that's his. Defense WHAT i will say
is the video From pallisero on the sideline Shows Drake
greenlaw already going directly out at that referee Before justine started.
Out it's even in the, Frame so you know there's
going to me at the end of the. Day this
(07:39):
is a situation that spiraled out of control that didn't need.
To you had a referee who was like trying to
avoid a scrum and used entirely too aggressive a manner
to Move stranaud out of the way to get out of. There,
Uh and you have an upset team and a bad.
Call and don't get me, wrong it was absolutely a
laughably bad call On Riley, moss one of the Worst
i've seen in.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Years but you had the situation sort of spiral out of.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Control and Where i'm, from you have to have the
personal accountability and the restraint to be able to hold
yourself back from doing things like.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
That that's not about sticking up for your.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Teammates sticking up for your, teammates taking the video of
Him shovenster not and sending up the league.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Office so the guy gets. Fired now he's not going
To AND i, think, again, yes he didn't handle it.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
WELL i think the frustration is this penalty seems agregious
not knowing what was. SAID i think there's certainly things
that could have been said that it is deserving of
a one game. Suspension but we are talking about the
official that judged that this was a serious threat deserving
of being reported and maybe leading to a one game.
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Suspension is the same official who in a critical game
said it Was Dan skipper who reported as an article.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Receiver, again these are what about? It so that that
doesn't have anything to do with this. SITUATION i get
that demonstrates he's an unreliable. NARRATOR. R that's what it.
Was you, said, yeah, S and there is an element to.
That i'll grant you there's an element to.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
That But i'm very careful about what aboutisms and situations
that don't.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
You, know that don't.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Apply we see it all the time in political, discourse
which is why it's so, toxic and we see it
a lot of times in these kinds of. Things somebody
was trying to do the same thing About Aaron glenn
walking on the field Versus Sean.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Payton i'm, like who, wrongs don't make it. Right it's exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
What who wrongs don't make a, Right and if you
don't want to have a, suspension don't.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Do the wrong.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Thing it's in the rule. Book it's very. Clear you
cannot chase an official down after a. Game it's there
are the. Rules you've known this since you Played Pop warner.
Football it's drilled into you at the lowest levels of.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Football this isn't.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
New and so to sit there and, say, WELL i
applaud very greatly offers sticking up for his. Teammate the
stick up for your teammate, was, hey, MAN i got
you saw.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
That let's get that. Video let's have coach cut that
video and send that to the.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
League we won't have this jack wagon out here officiating games.
Anymore and he has a checkered history of bad calls in.
Games the league shouldn't have these guys out there officiating
if they're that. Bad i've HAD i have had a
bone to pick with the league on officiating for more
than a decade because as a better my money swings
on some of these bad.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Calls. Right So i've Been i've been.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Advocating for full time, officials because there are they aren't
full time, officials they're part.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Time i've been.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Advocating for AN nfl officiating academy that the league pays.
For i've been advocating for a review process that allows
week to week reviews of these. Officials now the league
has gotten better about. It they, Terminated, uh it was
four or five officials this off this off season for
bad calls the previous. Season but some of these guys
have slipped through the, crack and let's you, know we've
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got To we've got to do.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
That you can't with this Green law situation assume.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Anything you can't assume it's about you, know him Touching,
sternaut you can't assume.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Anything what you have to do is.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
You have to know that him chasing after the referee
you start, there chasing after the ref is. Wrong doesn't matter,
why and you can't make assumptions about why it occurred
because if you look at the angle on The Peal sero,
video it does not look like it that That that
just looks like that's something that occurred in the instance
of him making a bee line towards the. Official SO
i for, Me i'm frustrated that the self discipline isn't
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there with the head coach going onto the field with
with uh with Green law going after an official because
it didn't change. Anything she's, Like you're, right The Sean
payton thing. Didn't i'm not frustrating for drawing a. Penalty
i'm frustrating at the demonstration. There LIKE i, GET i
get that you're sticking up for your, Guys but the
way to stick up for your guys is to cut
the video and send it to you and get the
guy fired for being.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
INCOMPETENT i don't.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
DISAGREE i think in the heat of that, moment like
the oh, no don't, worry, Guys i'm gonna send the
video to the league is probably a little less s
galvanizing than you, know they're running out there and arguing
and getting him.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Fired. IS i promise you can bring everybody. In you're, like,
yeah remember.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
This jack Wet tuesday Or, wednesday but not in. That
that's not doing anything for. Anybody right then on the
on the, sidelines well.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
You can yell at the official on the. SIDELINE i,
mean you know what the world's.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Going off flag it's if it's the white, hat bring him,
over you Get you're justified for. THAT i need you
to explain this to. Me you justified, it and the
official will come to.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
You but you. Can't you, know you can't go out
on the. Field you've been a coach in THE. Nfl for,
hell has he been coaching eighteen years? Now seventeen? Years eighteen? Years,
yeah at least something we don't.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Hear you're a guy who's whole time winning percentage is
like near near or over sixty.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Percent you know the, rules you know, this you know
better And that's the.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
THING i don't think it's a, debate at least to,
me about did The broncos break the rules or. NOT
i think it's you, know if someone committed robbery from
a convenience store and they're facing twenty five, years and it's, like,
okay that seems maybe a little egregious at face value
where they was it armed? Robbery were they threatening the
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life of the cashier with a? Gun that MAYBE i
could see the twenty five. Years did they pocket a
Kit cat bar on their way out of the convenience,
store Then i'd say the twenty five years seems a little.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Extreme did you know stealing was? Wrong and that's the.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Thing we can still say you should know thee and
the Kit cat bar that was. Wrong, HOWEVER i agree
with you on justice. System give you twenty five years seems.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Agreed but you have no excuse you if you knew
it was wrong and you did it, anyway you put
your elf at risk for that penalty like that twenty five,
Years you put yourself at risk for, That.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
But that doesn't make the penalty. RIGHT i think those
are two different.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Discussions they Are that's exactly What i'm hitting. On we
are having two different discussions what is fair and what is.
Right you're talking about what is? Fair is it fair
to punish somebody twenty five years for studie kit. Kemmar,
no it's really kind of. Not but is it correct
under the. Law if it, IS i, mean then it.
Is and so that you put yourself at risk for
the maximum penalty if you knowingly do the wrong.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Thing and there we're in, agreement like this is an undisciplined.
Team they open the door for them to, have you,
know painful penalty stuff like. This all season long they've done,
that AND i, think being frustrated with some loud examples
of that lack of discipline showing up in this most recent,
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GAME i think that's.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Very, FAIR i.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
GUESS i JUST i also think it, seems until we
know what was, said does seem like a lot of,
PUNISHMENT i guess coming from that one, OFFICIAL i think that's.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
A lot of.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
It where you have this guy almost take the game from,
you and if that wasn't, enough he's taking away a
critical defensive player away from you for this next game.
TOO i think the eighth symmetry of that.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Away or did the player put himself in a position
to be taken away by going in this is that's
the real debate we're having here fair BECAUSE i THINK
i agree with.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
You it.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Sucks that penalty, sucks and that penalty's egregious and it
does seem like it's over the. Top although we don't
know what he, said let's. Assume let's Give we'll give
you for this. Debate we'll Give greenlow the benefit of the.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Doubt. Right my problem is you have to.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Be mentally, savvy mentally disciplined enough to know not to
bleep over your teammates by not being there the next
game because you went out there to chase down a.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Referee what's going to be the result of? That there's no.
Positive you have to do an internal.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Cost benefit, analysis, right what is the benefit of be doing?
This there is no, Benefit you're going to get. Nothing
what is potential cost of? THIS i could be suspended
for this and find. Right so you have to have
the mental, fortitude the mental discipline to not put yourself
in that situation because in the, end standing up for
your teammate leaped over your. Teammates, Right you're not gonna
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be there for the next. Game most likely we'll see
on the.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Appeal do you think there's any chance there's a chance.
Successful there's a chance that this appeal could be successful if.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Audio shows it was a lighter way to make, this
like this was a misunderstanding THAT i interpreted his move
Of sternad as, aggressive AND i, thought and that's WHY
i went up, there that you're gonna have to spin
it that.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Way you need to go sit in front of your
your pr guys right.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Now you need to cut every angle to make sure
it backs up your, story and then you go take
this to the league and SAY i misinterpreted the. Situation
i'd like to apologize the REF i. MISINTERPRETED i thought
he was being aggressive with my teammate after we were
charged up after a bad, call and so this was
that was MY i request that you were sending my
suspension and go make it a. Fine i'll apologize to
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the referee for you know that kind of. Thing you
go from, that and that's that's how you get it.
Reduced that's that's about the only path to get it.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Reduced.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Here so you think it's about the explanation of where
Green law was coming, from OR i guess what all
created the. HUB i think Green law has to say
whether it's true or not that The sternad, situation he
thought that was an, aggressive intentional move Towards, sternaud misinterpreted
that and went to go protect his. Guy i'd have
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to assume that's the angle That broncos pr and everyone's
going to be coaching him up.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
On right, now do you think.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
What was said carries any weight at? All what was
by Green law to the.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Officials is all assuming that Green law did not directly
threaten to physically harm the.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Official if he, did it's game he, cooked. Okay but
if he did.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Not do, that and like you, know next time you
do that or something that says something along those lines actually.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Be interpreted as a.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Threat that isn't exactly SO i don't know the exact.
Verbiage ALL i know is the Official Brat allen in
the paperwork for this and his sworn statement is a verbal.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Threat that's ALL i.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Know so we we do know it's specifically a threat
because It's RULE spific listed as verbal threat from, him
Not john Green. Law he broke whatever rule and threat
is part of right and as part of that is
now that pertains to that rule that they listed out
but he's OUT i brought to have, delibered have said
that listed in the paperwork it says verbal.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Threat, YEAH i mean.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
That.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
THEN i think that's a huge part of. This and
like you, said.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Why was Green law running out there in the first?
Place can you make a reasonable case that you were
running out to celebrate with the team and then you
saw this third ad thing and WEREN'T i understand your,
perspective but can you at least reasonably argue that you
weren't immediately making the bee line for put this in
before we we'll.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Hit a break here a, Minute we'll get on to
celebrate in the, victory BECAUSE i THINK i just hate
spending so much time on this after having a great.
Win but this is a good, debate and it's it's
good to have this BECAUSE i love it when people
disagree with me and have a balanced logical argument in their,
disagreement which you. HAVE i, look at the end of the,
day if on a personal, level somebody insulted me or
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did me, wrong like for, instance there was a whole
lot of bad reporting about SOMETHING i said About Jayler
wattle last, week right that led to reporters In miami
saying things about me on a personal level that were
incorrect as, well but frankly. HORRIBLE i can't go threaten
to beat them. Up IF i, do that's a threat of,
assault right. LIKE i can't go threaten to do, that
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whether it's you, know whether they whether they wronged me or.
NOT i have to have the mental, fortitude even On,
twitter to sit there and just be, like you know,
what you can make up whatever you want about. Me
at the end of the, Day i'll move, on you.
Know or if somebody calls you soft or. Whatever, Okay
i've started in combat three. Times it saved, me you,
know miss Me internet. Nerd that's a recent TWEET i
put out, verbatim so have fun with. That BUT, i,
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like you have to have the mental discipline to, understand
even if something wrong, occurs what is the cost of
benefit analysis going to? Be and because when we react
on emotion usually we're not doing, that you, know we
have to find the dis of the internal discipline to
reign in our emotions and make logical decisions on. That
and that's, tough tougher for some people than. Others you,
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Know i'm fortunate enough That i've been mostly pretty good at.
It doesn't MEAN i always have. IT i haven't been,
perfect but on a personal, LEVEL i understand consequences of
actions doing things like.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
That and a quick shout.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Out to Ke robinson for trying his darnness to save Very,
green having that presence of mind to come over there
and save your teammate in the appropriate.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Way that's exactly WHERE i was headed with. That you
beat me to. It we got to hit a. Break
we'll be back right for.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
THIS i after talking about Very green law, THERE i
want to get away from that from. THEN i want
TO i want to soak this, in, MAN i want
to soak this win, in this utterly, ludicrous, ridiculous maybe
even delusional, win depending on who you talk.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
TO i wanted to soak it BECAUSE i have Seen
i've seen a lot of football in my.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
LIFE i mean a lot of football my, life high school, level,
junior high, Level Pop warner, level college, level professional, level
minor professional. LEVEL i have seen thousands of games of,
football AND i have never seen something like.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
What occurred in that fourth. QUARTER i.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
LIVED i wasn't here In, denver BUT i saw the
tebow stuff from them. Afar this was something that was
just completely different here's a stat for. You here's a
stat for you and everybody out. Here listen to this
because this is going to make your head. Explode we
scored four touchdowns in a field. Goal they scored five.
Touchdowns they. Lost we run that by. Again they scored five.
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Touchdowns we scored four touchdowns in a field.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Goal they.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Lost, No it's, insane and like the tebowt comebacks were
unreal and unprobable and then just amazing in so many different.
Ways but they were these the crazy comebacks to come
back from you, know down seventeen nothing or thirteen to
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three or, whatever and they were amazing comebacks in the final.
Minutes but coming back from three possessions, down scoring thirty
plus points in a single quarter in a vacuum's. Amazing
doing it after three quarters of being shut out is
truly unheard, Of it unprecedented in THE.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Nfl in just an amazing.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
GAME i will, say, like we need to have a
serious conversation about this. Offense we need to have a
serious conversation about the base offense like we. Do, yeah
and What Sean payton is. Doing BUT i don't want
to get into that. TODAY i JUST i want to
celebrate the. WIN i don't want to get into like
like we.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
CAN'T i want to put a pin in that Because
i'm gonna come back to it.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Tomorrow we can't allow bad process to justify an incredibly good.
Result BUT i got to soak in this. Result, Man
i've never seen historic. Football it was funny BECAUSE i
was getting some texts from some alumni that were. There you,
know we were chatting back and forth during the game
and all that, stuff and there was a like towards
like in the middle of the third, quarter there was a,
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frustrated a very frustrated sentiment from some of those alums
about what's going, on especially ON Dt. Day some exploitas
were used about what happened On My Shanahan, day you
know when The raiders beat.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Us you remember that My Shanahan.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Day, yeah that was The Nate hackett, year, Right, yeah
there was there was some some serious frustration out. There,
uh and that frustration. Remains but even you, know talking
to those they're like they had never seen. You LIKE
i played in how many football, Games i've never seen
something like this where you watch one team epically choke
and the other team take advantage at the exact right
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moments to make, it to make it, HAPPEN i will,
Say and you don't get that comeback without some help
from The.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
GIANTS i think they. Interception what were you doing throwing the?
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Ball my Numbing and Again i'm not trying to say
didn't choke at.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
All there was certainly some of.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
That BUT i think part of what made it such
an amazing comeback by The broncos and an even crazier
effort was throughout that fourth quarter The giants still got
some very fortunate. Breaks you, know they get sixty seventy
yards of penalties on that one drive to set up
an easy one yard.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Touchdown they get a.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Deflection touchdown of their, own Except i'd argue there's is
even more miraculous because it's two crossing receivers way further.
Downfield it doesn't get popped up in the air really
high like the The Troy franklin touchdown. Did it just
bounces right into the other guy's hands and he takes
into the house. Uncontested you, know like having two scores
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like that go against you as you're attempting to mount
your comeback would sink ninety to ninety five percent of
all comeback attempts and it didn't sink The, broncos and
certainly The giants helped with.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
That BUT i think that.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
It also just to make it's such an incredible. Game
i'm still at a loss for. Words there's you could
focus on so many different aspects of that come, back
comeback and spend ten to fifteen minutes on. It there's,
yeah really the craziest Game i've ever seen at any
level myself. Too, yeah there's there's a great text here
(24:20):
from the five to four one says every Preseason ben,
says in the regular, season nothing that matters but the final.
SCORE i love the fact that that is finally seeping
into the lexicon for. Everybody in the, preseason everything matters
but the final, score and the regular season nothing matters
but except the final. Score, however you know how it,
is nothing, matters and you know the Butt, look you're,
(24:40):
right and it. Doesn't AND i want to celebrate this,
victory but again tomorrow or down the road this, WEEK
i do want to get into some of the process
because we have some disturbing patterns that are emerging with
how we're, winning and those are not. Sustainable we have
a habit of being a very stagnant offense for the
better part of three, quarters sometimes three plus, quarters and
then all Like, frampton we come. Alive and this is
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not A bow. Thing this is the same thing that
happened Under. Russ we were we were crap for three.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
QUARTERS i Think russ's evidence that it's not a quarterback.
Problem right, Man brush had the most fourth quarter comebacks that.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
SEASON i, mean there was there's something to. It correlation isn't,
causation but there's something to the fact that it's not
strictly A bow, problem because the same thing occurred With
sean And. Russ, yeah but this also wasn't occurring last
year we were At we had some some games last
year where we were staggering on offense through three quarters
and then started to come. Alive, NOW i mean we
had some Other dealers Or seahawks When bo was like
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just figuring himself.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
OUT i GET i don't see that trend as.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
MUCH i think there's a problem with the offense being
incredibly conservative and wildly conservatively.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Called BUT i Think bo has a very real hand in.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
THAT i mean there's, like in the first half, alone
there's ten incompletions on straight dropback concepts that are entirely
Bo nix's, fault whether it's a ball being batted at the,
line ball being overthrown on a open, receiver where, yes
it is, painful how conservative this offense, is how newter
this offense, Is.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
But when they do open it, up it's.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Incredible in the fourth, quarter it was in the first three,
quarters there were plenty of straight dropback opportunities where bo
is way.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Off OH i put that On, twitter and people, like
you're being, Wrong he's not. Inaccurate i'm, like, bro did
you just watch that sideline shot that was a yard
and a half out of Bounds and that's WHAT.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I, played where you, know he's the first throw To Pat.
Bryan bryan's like climbing.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
The, ladder going up, there trying to get it and
can't catch the ball because it was thrown way too.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
High but what was it five six yards in front of?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Him AND i don't know if That's bob, being you,
know having nerves early in. Games we've seen him too
sped up at. TIMES i don't know what that. Is
but there are things that and we'll get into this.
AGAIN i want to, Say i'm already doing it where
we're delving into this stuff BECAUSE i want this hard
not to BUT i want to celebrate the win a
little bit just because we had we hadn't seen.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
THAT i want.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
TO i want to give hat tips to people that you,
know to people that deserve. IT i, thought you, KNOW
i Thought greenlow played pretty well on a pitch. Count
he's making the case to be the other.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Guy he's making the case to be the other.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Guy Alex singleton right now Is butter's making a. Case
And i'm gonna be. HONEST i, mean he's got more
of one at this. Point, ABSOLUTELY i don't know what
the case is For. Singleton at this.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Point he's. FASTER i, mean that's that's the, case is
he when you.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Watch him move around out. THERE i differ in the,
hips but he's. Faster he gets a. Look watch the
play the interception where Stir not gets.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
It Watched Alex singleton get the pressure on.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Him he bowls camp scat of, ball overshoots over and
then you, know and it affects the.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Play now he didn't, finish.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Which is a problem With, singleton but you, know there
are you see plays like that on tape and as a,
coach you're, like all, right, okay these are the things
we need out, here and he's get them.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
DONE i just think there are two or three of
those moments in a, game AND i see five snaps
a game Where Alex singleton is chasing a player as
if he's playing flag football and trying to find the
flag on their waistread like.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Like it's, like manday save, that save that, audio thank.
You that's just the.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
VISUAL i have where it's like he's, fit looks like
he's you, know head, down trying to hunt and tech for.
Something and it's because he's the hips are so, tight
the movement SKILLS i it doesn't seem like they're there
at this.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Point. Man, like there's coverage.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Gaps AND i know the blown coverage was On, huvanga
but there's regular coverage gaps with. Him there's regular reading
gaps with him when it comes to like trying to
read out where the run play's going and trying to
fill a. Hole like the read and react stuff's regressed with.
Him he's an unreliable. Tackler he struggles to get to
THE spoty needs to get.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
TO i don't.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Know my biggest problem with him is the tackling portion
of this defense you can't miss because of the way it's.
Designed you can't miss. Tackles if you miss a, tackle
it's going to bust for a big. Game we saw
some of Those scatterble got a couple of plays like
that where he busted some tackles or shook off some
what should have been tackles and then got upfield and,
turned you, know turned what should have been a minimal
gain or a loss into eighteen or thirteen yard. Gains
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there's a couple of those. Plays you can go back
and look the tape. On so everyone's on an Eye,
Linch i'm with you on. That it's left to provide
how Bad Justin field. Is did you see that presser
from Maryng glyn?
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Today, no but they've been getting progressively.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
WORSE i feel so today and THIS i thought he
got unfairly unfairly dumped on today because he was at
the presser and he, says, YEAH i haven't decided If
i'm gonna Bench Justin fields for the season. YET i
wanted to talk to some coaches who have been through
benching a quarterback BEFORE i consult with.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Them AND i thought that was an incredibly mature. Statement
that's a great. ANSWER i agree with.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
You he is getting roasted alive on social media for,
That like.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Your coach and you don't know what to do in this,
situation like he's terribly.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Good And i'm, like, yeah, YEAH i mean you do
got a Midfields like he's, Bad he's embarrassingly.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Bad you do have to bench.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Him but talking To Dan campbell And Sean payton who
have benched quarterbacks, before and consulting with people that you,
know like what what how are We how are we
blasting somebody from getting more expertise as you as you
prepare to make a.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Decision, Yeah like that's.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
GOOD i don't want my coach assuming they always know.
BEST i think that's maybe a problem The broncos are.
Experiencing but you want some humility with your, Coach and
like when things got really bad In New, ENGLAND i
think part of the reason it got really bad In
New england Was Bill belichick kind of lost some of that,
humility lost the ability to listen to different ideas or
(30:25):
pull ideas from different, areas and it got really gross
In New england as a. RESULT i think you want
your head, coach you, know leaning on their tree and
asking their mentors what SHOULD i do?
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Here what SHOULDN'T i do?
Speaker 3 (30:39):
HERE i wonder if maybe he's getting burned because last
week he kind of shot down that one reporter's question
about if he'd consider benching, Fields and maybe this is
the media trying to get theirs, back but that seems
like an incredibly mature answer from the coach right last.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Week, like AND i understand Where Aaron glenn was coming
from last week, too even though he didn't like.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
IT i was, like you should have maskeed him last.
Week you, knew you. KNOW i, mean you.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Can kind of play it off, as, oh we played The,
broncos but then you Saw Jackson dart have the game
he did against The broncos after your quarterback had the
game he, did and you kind of have to, like
you're out of excuses for fields at that.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Point BUT i, like but but what he was doing
was sticking up for his.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Guy like he can't say, like because if you say
anything other than laughing that reporter's question, off like what
are we doing, Here you've undermined your confidence in Justin
fields and you can't go.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
To him at all, Anyway SO i get.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
It he was trying to stick up for his, guy
even if we find that to be a, bit you,
know a bit, ludicrous and go from. THERE i had
a couple of text. Commands somebody asked who the center was?
Yesterday it Was, wattenberg the same center we Had pawshowski
at the left.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
GUARD i, thought you did. Well he did all.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
RIGHT i, like there were he was still a liability
at some, points BUT i mean that's sort of to
be expected by bar was an Injured Matt, parrot and from.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
That, BAR i was very happy with WHAT i saw From.
Pouchho my bar Was Calvin.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Brockborton you got one practice With kelvin Brockbort you were, like,
oh hell, no and that.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Scared IT'S i Knew matt was injured last, week BUT
i was, like, man if that was the first option
and the second option lasted one, Practice i'm a little
scared what option number three might look.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Like and thankfully it was.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Serviceable, YEAH i was a little worried when mcglinchy came
up limping a couple of.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Times we had to get cram out.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
There like We've we've had some pretty good injury luck
over the last couple of, years and it feels like
the regression of the mean might be happening a little
bit this year on some.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
THINGS i agree, some BUT i think every WEEK i
look at Who lebroncos are playing on the injury, report
no walking dead, Report, yeah and it's like there's twenty,
dudes And i'm, like, okay you know, what maybe Maybe
I'm i'm just not.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Seeing the forest for the.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Trees i'm a little too focused in On denver and it,
feels you, know cataclysmic That Ben towers is. Out but
you look around the league and it feels like a
lot of teams are beat up and, missing you, know
four or five important contributors right.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Now, yeah it's it's it's interesting Because Ben powers wasn't.
Playing it wasn't wasn't.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
PLAYING i mean he was, playing, okay you's was, serviceable
but it wasn't commiserate with the l that he's being.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Paid i'll put it to that. Way he And wattenberg
had been a bit of.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
A liability on the, offense specifically the weak links on
the offensive. Line so far this, Year wattenburg continues to
be the erratic snapping sometimes you snap at. Them he's
the one he snapped high to. Bow it was rough all. Day,
yeah it's it's it's, erratic h and the blocking isn't
at a level where you can get away with that
sort of.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Snapping you know WHAT i.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Mean both those guys have been have had moments this
year where you're, like, yeah and this needs to be.
Better and so that that's sort of the thing With
powers out and you get these other guys in you
and you see the drop off from his production to
where those guys were Like pert for, instance and you're.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Like oh my, God i'll take That powers.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Back, yeah that's one THING i will Say George, payton
for all he has done well to overturn this, ROSTER
i wish there was just a little more investment in
the offensive line BECAUSE i do think it shows up
when you have that That Ben power's injury and it's, like,
man which which udfa do we want to turn two
to come and save? Us at this, point and it's
(34:00):
also evident at center where you're choosing between two seventh round,
picks both of which have probably outlived their draft stock
but maybe or outperform their draft, stock but maybe haven't.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Been quality.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
STARTERS i think it's safe to, say and you're still
kind of stuck with them because there's just not a
better alternative out. THERE i would love to see, them you,
know like draft to center or a really well thought
of interior lignement high in this. Draft Replaced wattenberg in
twenty twenty, six and then you have a built In
Ben powers replacement, too maybe in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Seven, yeah one of the GUYS i wanted them to
replace With Connor aluet is done for the season down
there At auburn.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Too really.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Sad, yeah sad. Stuff we got a break and we come.
Back we're gonna get a little bit more into just
how they pulled this Off Rocos country tonight
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