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Speaker 2 (00:00):
I have six six times here.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
I appreciate all you guys text even if I don't,
it's the opportunity to read all of them on the air.
Jay Norvell let go up at Colorado State over the
weekend that loot news was largely UH overshadowed. Probably needed
to happen. Sucks Jane Norvell's UH. As far as as
my interactions with him, he has always been a very
very nice guy. Dave Logan speaks highly of him. As
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far as that goes, I've heard from some people that
used to work for him that had less complimentary things
to say.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Uh, talking about being fired.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Via hr email and not yeah, not not being personally
called into the you know that I'm being personally let
go that, you know, having the respect for that kind
of stuff, so that that would suck.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
But you know, that's one person's allegation. I don't know
if it's true.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Anyway, Jaye Novell let go Colorado State's gotta figured out
what do you hire that Colorado State? Because you're a
you're a mid program, You're you're not a you're not
a P five school. I mean, you go into the
new PAC twelve whatever that is. But it's basically the
glorified Mountain West.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I don't know, Like, how do you hire there? You
got to fight.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
You find somebody who's an up and comer from a
pipeline state and understand that if they do turn you around,
they're going.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
To leave for a better job.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I guess I think it's so hard because j Norvel
looks exactly like the type of guy Colorado State should
be looking for. A guy who took a lower level
group of five program that didn't have a lot of
resources in Nevada and built it up into I mean,
I don't want to say a power but one of the.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Better teams in its conference on a yearly.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Basis, and you bring him in, you go, hey, it's
the exact same conference. We're just giving him a few
more resources to build this team.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
You have I think optimistic or.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Some early returns that built hope in terms of way
we're headed on the right trajectory here, and then all
of a sudden this season it is just completely cratered.
And I think that if I was the CSUD right now,
it would it would have me doubting myself pretty greatly
because I think you did everything by the book with Norvell.
It's the reason why when CSU hired Norvella in that cycle,
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when the bus hired Prime, a lot of people along
the front range here were saying, you know, Prime might
be the sizzle, but Norvell's the stake, and it didn't
work out that.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I'll admit that I was that guy.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
You watched Norvella and what he did there in Nevada
and you saw you saw a guy resurrect in Nascent
program and turned it around.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I think the thing here with CSU is that he
just never got the quarterback right.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
You know, Fowler Nickelosi never developed into what you thought
he was. You thought you had the guy. It was
a plateau or now. He just never turned into the guy.
He had an early run of good games or decent games.
You thought you saw some potential there, and you kind
of get the sunk cost fallacy. You didn't invest in
anybody else because you thought he was the guy. And
they never got the quarterback right and went off for.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
This because they had other talent.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
They had, you know, receiver talent, tight into, they had
talent Tory Horton.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, you had you had.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Undeniable talent there, and honestly, Horton carried Feller Nicolosi. To
be honest with you, I don't know way I don't
want to kick him one with And Dan Hooker was
was amazing. He didn't work out in the NFL because
of whatever knee issues he had, but he was an
amazing talent. You've had guys come through CSU over the
last through a few years. You've had a lot of
time you've had a receiver tight end Talentur mcbrides one
of the time tight.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Ends in the in the NFL. You've had talent come
through there.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
He just they just never got to the quarterback position
right and it ultimately sunk them. You're you're you're in
a division that's gonna be tough because you've got you
had the juggernaut over the last couple of years anyway,
you had the juggernaut that was Boise, you know, and
that's gonna that's always gonna be tough.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
But uh, and you're.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Gonna have to take some P five games for the money,
which means you're going to take some losses. So you're
not ever gonna be in the title you know, the
national title conversation, But.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
You can be successful at CSU The question is.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
In the portal era, in the nil era, what's the
new formula for a mid major program? How do you
how do you find a way to be successful? Do
you adopt the the Arkansas State model, which is we're.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
We're a rehab program, or we are an up and
cover program.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
We're hiring coaches with high buyouts or mid level buyouts,
and we're expecting them to be here one year recruit
because they're big, they're the new hot name that's getting
through the cycle, and then they're going to take a
job and we're making money off the buyouts, and that's
how you fund and build out your program, or is
there another way for them to do it? Like I said,
a pipeline state. Look at now, I don't think GJ.
Kinney is leaving Texas State to come to Colorado State.
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But do you find somebody like that who's got a
Texas Florida losing a pipeline connection that can come out
here for a couple of years before they take a
major job. If you turn it around, I think part
of the struggle there is you're going to be competing
with Dion for those Texas players that are interested in Colorado.
Those Florida players that are interested in moving as far
away as Colorado because Prime has made that Dallas, Texas
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area kind of the bus hotbed or main pipeline in
terms of recruiting. So I think battling with him in
his recruiting prowess or name brand recognition, whatever you want
to call it, I think would be a little difficult.
I wonder if you almost try and exploit what might
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be a bit of a market inefficiency here with Prime
and the Buffs, which is they really haven't recruited the
state of Colorado or this region much at all. Maybe
rather than trying to go to a California, Texas one
of these better pipeline states, you just go, we're going
to make the Mountain time zone ours. And yes there's
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less talent there, but we're just going to own this region.
We're going to get a lot of players in that region.
We're going to develop the hell out of them. We're
going to scout well.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
And maybe that's how you build it up. But it's tough.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Let me offer another solution, all right, And a lot
of people are going to.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Hate me for this. Urban Meyer.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
He's been heavily tied to Colorado state with the interview
involvement and everything else.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
He's a little worst.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
He was an assistant at Colorado State. Urban Meyer was
from nineteen ninety to nineteen ninety five. He was the
wide receivers coach here. Oh wow, I knew he was
involved in the interviews. I didn't know that was the
reason why. Yeah, that's the reason why he does have
a tie here. Dude, would you be willing to take
a chance. You know, Urban's a scumback. I know Urban's
a scumback. And now let me say it again, urban
Meyer is a scumback. And you guys don't know the
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half of it. I was down there in Florida when
he was at Florida. Urban Meyer's is comeback.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
That's it. Do you take a chance.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I mean, we've seen guys get more chances for less.
Bobby Petrino is the interim head coach at the school.
He rode the motorcycle ague another at Arkansas. Right now,
I think you consider it. I don't know why Urban
Meyer unless he's just tied to Colorado State. That name's
hot enough that you're going to get quarterbacks, You're going
to get people to come out. The question is, can
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you afford urban Meyer. Can you pull him out of
the booth and can you find a way to generate
enough NIL funds to uh, you know, because this would
be if this would be an Urban's looking for a
better job job, but you'd get a couple of years
out of it to build it up. That's the thing
I understand why Colorado State would want to do it. It's
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a very appealing hail Mary that I think would probably
rep rewards for that program very very quickly. If I'm
urban Meyer and I am itching to get back into
the coaching game. As rough as his image is, I
think a program with more resources or or with with
better pedigree would be able to or would be willing
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to invest in urban Meyer, even with his checkered past.
And maybe the familiarity with Calorido State is enough to
woo him there. But that'd be my concern that, like
even if a Washington State comes calling or whatever, like,
that's a program that I think can offer a fair
bit more than CSU.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I just I'm looking at.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
This and I'm like, what are the options for Colorado
State to put some juice in the program? Because all
the juice in the state, even with the and I
don't know. I will call it under performance of CU.
All the juice in the state is we'll see you, right,
They're on They're discussed in the national media weekly, they're
on TV all the time, game days coming out here,
that kind of stuff. Colorad State has got a little
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brother complex and that they are a smaller school than
see you and all that, and they have a significant
less funding.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
But you know, at the end of the day.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
You've got to you got to find a way to
put some juice into your program. And the only way
that I could think that you'd be able to do
that is with something like that, making it outside the box.
Just like, look, we're going to give a guy a
second chance if if he wants it. I mean, Meyer
hasn't been a coach since what since the Jags, like
twenty twenty one, it's been four years.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Does he does the itch exist there?
Speaker 1 (08:35):
He's only sixty one, you know, I say only, but
he's only sixty one. This isn't like you know Pete
Carroll who's seventy three years old, seventy four years old
and still out there trying to coach, or you know
Bill Belichick' seventy three years old try to coach.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I mean, he's he's a decade and change younger than
those guys. The question is does.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
He have the itch to get out there and coach anymore.
He's already in the College Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
This isn't a legacy thing.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
And he's retired for health issues twice quote unquote health
issues twice.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Well, I mean, you know, getting getting caught with you know,
with cheerleaders will will cause you to have health issues
with your wife.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah. Yeah, but you know it's as far as that goes.
He has not.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
He has not been back in coaching since the Jags
fired him thirteen games into his.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Into his tenure there.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I don't know, but to me, that's the juice hire
that you've got some tepid connection to that you can
make outside of going with a young up and comer.
That's the proven product. It'll get attention. Urban Meyer at
Colorado State will get you attention.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I mean, that's the hail Mary they should be going
for because I think, and I think it crystallizes why
Urban Meyer is a much better option than than who
else is out there. It's like Urban Meyer, or do
you want to hire the head coach at New Mexico,
who's turning that program around.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
I mean that to me, that's but I don't know
what you've got to get him to leave for that totally.
But that's my point.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Like Jason Eck, who I would agree with you, I
think that's a very good hire. But if that's the
very good higre imagine most people listening to this right
now are going, who the heck is Jason Ack. Meanwhile,
Urban Meyers, despite all the grossness in his background, is
a bona fide college football Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Eck has experience here in the state.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
He was a grand assist at Colorado back in back
in two thousand and two and two thousand and three.
That's something it's not cso see you. But still, I mean,
he does have experience in the state. He was at
Montana State as as an offensive coordinator back in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
So regionally, he has some affiliation.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
New Mexico too, right, right, So yeah, just south, So
there's there's some you know, there's some affiliation there as
far as that kind of stuff goes. And like I said, two,
your grant assist at you know, at Colorado back in
O two three, I mean, it's been a while, but
you know he did have a tie to the state
at least as far as that kind of stuff goes.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Those are your options, though, and at the end of
the day, what are you going to do? Do you
take a do you take a guy like that? And
I hardly call it Eki young?
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I mean he's forty eight years old, but you know
he's considered more or less young. He's only been a
Haiti coming right up and coming guy who's a head
coach and turned really kind of turned Idaho around. Yeah,
you know, he got Idaho to to a you know,
to a ten and four record there or leaving for
New Mexico and they're they're about five hundred this year.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I think that's like three and three or whatever it is.
And that's exactly what Colorado State should be looking for.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Like the guy who turned around Idaho a program with
even less recruiting prospects than Carl's State, even less like
nil resources financial resources than Klorado State, and then goes
to New Mexico a program that fits that exact same
billing and turns them around fairly quickly. I guess five hundred.
But you have a thumping of UCLA. That win continues
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to look better and better as UCLA gets gets.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
There poop in a group. I'm it's tough for CSU because.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Again, it feels like they did it the right way
with Thorvell. And do you run it back that way
with Eck or do you swing for the fences with a.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Guy like Meyer.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, that's I mean, any which way the Meyer thing again,
You're you're you're probably not looking at a commitment from him.
You're looking at this is a coach rehab. You know,
I'm gonna I'm gonna do three years here, four years tops. Uh,
turn this thing around and put put you back on
the map, and then I'm gonna get back into you know,
get back into major program coaching.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
That's assuming he wants to. And that's a big assumption.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
But I'm just like, you're right, like, how else And
I'll take your ideas five six six nine zero. What
are your ideas to turn c SU around? You know,
because you just tried the up and comer. Yeah, you
just had that in Jane Norvell. You've tried the rehab
thing before with coaches. You've tried there a stepping stone
guy with uh, what's his face?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
With the Florida Uh oh mcawayan, Yeah, Jim mcawain.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
You know, you do the stepping stone thing. Uh, you
know you look at you look at CEU. See you
tried all those. They tried the uh they had the
up and comer with Mike Mcintiye, and that actually worked,
although they ran out of patience and ran him out
of town when they should have kept you know, and
they should have kept him. And then you tried the
stepping stone stuff with mel Tucker and you were and
you literally were a stepping stone for him.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
He saw what happened.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Uh. And then it made just a stupid mistake with
uh what's his face from Durell? Yeah, Carl Drel like
that was that was just bizarre. I did not understand
that higher at all. That was a panic move. And
so now you're trying the razzle dazzle with with Prime
and you're certainly you're certainly got attention, you got eyes
on money's flowing in. The product hasn't made the playoffs,
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but you've gotten better than the one and ten or
one you know to one and two win seasons that
you had before with Durell, and more money's you know,
definitely pouring in, pouring into the.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Program that I've been in a long, long, long time.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I and that's one problem with now it's urban Meyer.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
I don't think it'd really be a concern.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
But if we if we take urban Meyer off the
table and just talk about, hey, this sizzle thing or
this razzle dazzle, it's working for CU. I think that's
kind of why I see SU has to go a
different direction. Again, a guy like rban Meyer being an
exception to that rule. But I don't think you're going
to out prime coach prime, you know, I think you
want to h it didn't work with Norvell, but I
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think that's the model you want to go with a
guy who's going to slowly build the program up, not
do it the flashy way, build a strong foundation and
go from there, because I don't think you can do
it the fast way or the flashy way, or try
and compete with Colorado for some of these prospects, because
you've already got a fairly tough road to contention at
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CSU without trying to go head to head in state
with SeeU in the momentum they've already got behind them.
So he suggested James Franklin, but I think you'll have
better opportunities probably, But something like that where like a
rehab case where you're rehabilitating a coach's image, that could
maybe be appealing. I'm trying to think who else also
has offsets in his deal with Penn State. I believe
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there's some offsets in there, and he asked has to
be looking for a job for the conditions of his contract,
so you could pay him a very minimal amount. If
he doesn't take a better job, like you could offer
him a very minimal amount, he's still getting paid what
he would get paid at Penn State. Regardless. That'd be
a home run if they're able to swing that, you know,
if you're able. But again, I mean, his only experience
in the region was he was a receivers coach at
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Idaho State, and that's back in nineteen ninety nine. I mean,
you're talking about twenty five years ago, and that's not great.
But he gave ten State their best seasons outside of
Joe Pot and he built Vanderbilt into a he'd be
pretty legit.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
They're not contender, but a legit team.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yeah, I don't really know what else. I really don't
know what other directions to go in, Like I said,
like if you're looking it up in comers, like, no,
you just mentioned Vanderbilt.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
You had Clark Lee down there, who's built Temple.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
But that's why would he go to CSU from SEC school? Well,
I mean, Vandy's it's tough to compete. Vandy's the building
out of the SEC. But he's got them, you know,
he's got them competitive. I mean, you talking about a
guy who turned a two and ten program into a
program that beats Alabama. Now there were seven and six
last year, there's six and one this year. I think
he's gonna have better opportunities than CSU, you know, as
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far as that kind of stuff goes.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
But those kinds of things would be.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
What you would be looking for is trying to find
the coaches that are succeeding despite the odds at whatever
wherever they're at. But I just don't know, Like, I
don't know who that's going to be. I don't know
who moves the needle enough. We get the always we
got the Dave Logan suggestion. Yeah, I don't know if
they would do that or not.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Man, why not?
Speaker 1 (16:39):
He's conquered the high school football coaching ranks, why not
try a bite it something else.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I do think someone with strong Colorado.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Ties who could if you look at you know, twenty
four to seven recruiting or whatever.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
These past couple of years.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Colorado has produced a fair number of quality three star,
four star guys.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Very very few of them are staying.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
They're going to Washington and Nebraska, and they're just getting
spread out all over the place, and Colorado's not really
competing for those recruits.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I wonder if if something there.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Competing in some of these less competitive areas in the
Mountain time zone where you're not going to need a
lot of recruiting resources, maybe that's the angle for CSU.
I don't think you're gonna win a lot of high
end recruiting battles. I think you need to be a
great player, developer and program builder to turn CSU around.
Yeah you had, I mean because you had mcawayne, and
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then you thought you thought Mike Bobo was gonna be
that guy, and then you know that kind of wasn't
the DAZZI. Oh, it's just I don't know, Well, we
come back. We're gonnaet back to this Broncos historic win.
You guys listen to Broncos Country Night. You're okay way,
somebody asked me, is it working for CSU? Well, I
mean they're swimming in money right now, so it's certainly
working from that end.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
And I think you know, kind of four and eight
and what AID and four, nine and four whatever they
were last year, Those aren't the most exciting seasons in
a vacuum. But I think you look at what CU
football has been since, like I don't know as long
as I've been conscious of it, like two thousand and
six onwards, A four win season is probably a little
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above average for him.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
And do you want more out of the program?
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah, And I think it's fair to demand that more
of Prime. He's being compensated pretty well, lots of money's
going into that program.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I think it's fair to have higher expectations.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I also think anyone actually rooting for CU should be
pretty honest with themselves about if you fire Prime, because
this isn't good enough. It is far more likely to
get worse than it is to get better.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah, I don't know what you would get in here
at this point.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
I think you have to give Now, you signed that extension,
you do, but you got to give another year or
two and see what he can do with Juju if
a juju gets you know, once juju gets two years
under his belt, and if he's a failure, then then
you're at the crossroads, like, all right, what are we
doing here? We got out of We're no longer horrible.
Now we're just middling. Gotta find somebody to take us
from middling to you know, to good. And as bad
as this year is, like, what are the really frustrating losses?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
You lost at home to a ranked.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Georgia Tech team, a top twenty Georgia Tech team in
the final moments, in the closing moments of that one.
The same thing with a top fifteen ranked BYU team
in the closing moments, and then like the only bad loss,
like embarrassing one sided loss they've had was rowed against Houston.
But Houston's a one lost Big twelve team so far
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this year.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
It's not like, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
I think there's a lot to be optimistic with with
what CEU has shown this year, even if it's not
a great win loss record. Growing up as a loafyet
native just outside Boulder and following cuplus football my entire life,
this is still one of the better CU football teams
I've ever seen. Well, yeah, I just say outside of
the Mike McIntyre era, that really has not been much
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to be excited about, dating all the way back to
before Dan Hawkins was here. So and even Mike McIntyre
towards the end got kind of ugly. Well, it got good,
and then they had hurt over, had to drop off.
They had a reset and nobody was ready for the
reset year. And I'm like, oh, this is about you
guys are about to find out the grass is not greener.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
And that was a mistake. And what are we talking
about right now with coach Prime a bit of a
reset year?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Things nosed I've been and it seems like maybe the
fan base wasn't ready for that.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
One interesting suggestion here, Mike Gundy would be the coach
I would go as a rehab Oh that's a great call.
Not much of a Colorado connection against the middle of
the country in the little bit the small town feel.
You know, he's used to he's used to run a
program that's little sister, her little brother in the you know,
Oklhoma state ors Oklahoma in the pro in this in
the state that's a that's a good call. I'm not
a big Mike Gundy fan personally, but he would elevate.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
The program and he did a great job in that
little brother role.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Also did a good job with a program that doesn't
have a lot of resources and and to go into
these big recruiting battles. Ye, a true program builder. Yeah,
I think that'd be a dream name for c CSU
for seven nine guys. I'd like to see the University
of w Arkansas keep him. But Bobby Patrino would be
a great fit at CSU. He's a Montana guy. It's
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proven he can make two and three star athletes play
like four and five star athletes. Not to mention this,
CSU is in a conference where you don't have to
put a premium on defense like you do in the SEC. Well,
you know, we were talking about Erban Meyer being scumbags.
Bobby Patrino is the and he's had relatives call into
the show before where I've land based him for being
a scumbag.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Bobby Petrino is a new job.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Bob is a scumbag, and I like to the point
where people I know down at the Universe of Arkansas
said he was the one, snaking Sam Pittman.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Behind his back in order to get promoted to the.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Interim head coach job down there. I don't think he's
going to get the job at Arkansas. I believe they're
going to go in a different direction, so he'll be
plenty of available. I hope CSU doesn't go that direction.
But again, he's a scumbag that would elevate the program. Yeah,
if we're just looking at this from the binary of
would they maybe potentially fix what's CSU has going on
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right now? I think that Trino is one of the
rare cases who potentially could. And while the scumbaggery I
think is very concerning and something that makes you probably
not want to hire him to be your head coach,
that I don't know that toxic persona also makes it
so he probably won't leave CSU so easily.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Like you said, he's new job, Bob.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
We've seen what he did to the Falcons and plenty
of other teams throughout his coaching tenure. But I don't
know how many other programs bigger than CSU, with more
money than CSU, are going to want Bobby Patrino to
be their head coach in the twenty twenties into the
twenty thirties, right, and how much does he have left anyway,
He's been around a while, yes, you know, as far
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as that kind of stuff goes. Seven to well, we've
had our tickets. How about CEU, We've had our tickets
since nineteen seventy. The season has not been bad at all.
I'm more concerned about Prime's health. I'm worried about that too.
I think that's why you might see Prime leave after
this year.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Something.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
The blood clots seem very concerning. It really is putting
him through a lot of pain. I he's having extended
absences now fairly regularly, whether it's the surgery or all
off season he was missing in back in Dallas, dealing
with health concerns.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
It's it's a real shame to me. But yeah, I
think it's right now.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
I'd say it's more likely that Dion and CEEU mutually
part ways because of some health concern that it is
that Dion's fired.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I think we'll reach that health point not firing him
with that buyout. Oh, I don't even mean this year.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I mean if we were to look into the future
and say, how do those two eventually part ways right now,
I think the health one, unfortunately is more likely.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Three h three.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
I believe one of the topics for your show, it
would be great interest for your listeners, would be what
Bronco football players should be put in the Ring of Fame,
who are deserving to be put in the Ring of
Fame that have not been selected. One person I firmly
believe that's overlooked would be right guard for the Broncos
who had fourteen seasons. That'd be Paul Howard. Yeah, that's
sort of the I think Paul Howard probably deserves it.
I would say he's one of the top twenty five
players ever in Broncos history, so I would say that
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he definitely deserves it. My thing is, it's just tough
for offensive lineman, especially interior offensive linemen, to get those
to get accolades that they deserve, simply because there's not
measurable statistics to.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Laud with those guys.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
That's why you see, like of all the people that
get steinmied is interior defensive and interior offensive lineman. Offensive linman,
especially the interior defensive lineman. You can still get sacks
and pressures and those kinds of things, but there's not
anything for interoffensive linemen to sort of hang their hat on,
say I was the best at this because this number
and we're so obsessed with quantifying and qualifying everything that
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it's rough for them. But I whole hardly agree with you.
Paul Howard might be one of the most underlooked Broncos
of all time. It's certainly a top twenty five old
time Broncos who had a name, our top twenty five
all time Broncos who I'm trying to think of who
would be on that list obviously, l Way, you know,
Manning lay Nayalan rod Smith, Von Miller, Karl Mecklenberg, Uh Jackson,
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Raddy Gratashar, Bill Thompson, Wie Wright, Champ Bailey, Dennis Smith's
Eve at water y'all party, Chavis she Hanon Sharp Carter,
Floyd Little has to be on that list. Roll Davis
has to be on that list, because when we get
to around twenty five or so, I mean, we haven't
even mentioned guys like Candler, Evin's Garrett Poles.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Well those guys I don't think you make it.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Kell Lanier, Matt Lapster, is Al Wilson, Al Wilson so
same and Fletcher, Simon Fletcher, excuse me, to Marius, Yeah,
to Marius for sure. Then you're starting to get into
Paul Howard, Ed McCaffrey. I'm not even to McCaffrey. What
were twenty three names right now? Trevor Price, Chris Harris,
the Keith taleb Tale, Brian clay and Harris. For me,
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i'd agree Clady Clayton, man of your See now we're
we're at twenty five now, and now he's starting to
get tough, Yes, because I think I think McCaffrey's like
just outside that list.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
I think, but he's just outside that list. Steve Foley,
rul of Jones, we haven't even talked about. Did you
say Dennis Smith? Yeah? I did say Jed Smith because.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
I think, yeah, I think Justin Simmons, Lyle Alizado, those
guys are like, right, Riley Odims was gonna ran outside
that list? To me? Man, that's tough, Like yeah, maybe yeah,
he's he would be. I think you'd put him in
the top twenty five. Paul Howard, the all the top
twenty five all time Broncos. But then you know you're
you're looking at guys like uh Haven Moses or Gary
Zimmermann did added Lionel Taylor, Dan Neil Jason Elam probably
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belongs on that definitely. And that's without getting into the
Vance Johnson's and the you know and the d J Williams,
Derek Wolf.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
You talked about Garrett Bowles. It's up Church Peyton manning
his tenure here. I don't know if it. I mean,
I think he makes it.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
I think you put him in like the top fifty
maybe all time, but I don't know if you can
squeeze him in the top twenty five based on his
I don't know. I mean I I get the case
four to get the case against Yeah, I see where
you're coming from there. I will say on this topic
the who could be the next Bronco in the Ring
of Fame? I wrote an article about this when DT's
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induction in Shrinman whatever you want to call it, was
announced back in May for KOA so on kaclorado dot com.
You guys can find it there if you want to
read in depth. I highlighted Al Wilson, who we mentioned
as I think maybe the most deserving guy, had all pros,
lots of tackles. He's he's like top ten in all
these stats in terms of approximate value, which is a
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good kind of catch all you can compare across different positions.
On Pro Football Reference, he's right next to Al Wilson.
This is right next to Steve Atwater and Carl Mecklenberg,
which I think captures the impact of that player.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Trevor Price.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
You mentioned Eddie Mack, guys that aren't in the Ring
of Fame yet, and it's kind of surprising. I also
will sup for Ryan Clady getting those because it's just
an injury thing. He's kind of a Trail Davis case
where such a high peak, but you know NFL All
Pro arguably the best in the league.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
A hot so fast Yeah bummer, Yeah, No, I'm with
you on that. Good question.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
That's one of those things I think during the offseason
we like to do those. Yeah, and somebody's texting, did
you get on?
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Yeah? Absolutely got von.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Vonn's a top five all time BRONC like Vn's not
rushmore Kony, Yeah, yeah, v Vaughn's in. That's in that
top five conversation because I think you're you know, Lways
obviously on their number one, and then after that you've
got like four or five names. You could get it
there really tough. But I think Vaughn's in that conversation
for sure. As far as that, Ron Smith's got to
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be in there. Tom Nayland's probably in there. Tom Jackson's
on the border if he's not in there. Cole Mecklenburg's
the border if he's not in there. Yeah, and then
it's like Champ didn't even mention in terms of the
like top five things Champ I think is really clear.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Vaughan has the has the Super Bowl MVP, which I
think really helps t D. Yeah, those are all guys
that you got. But yeah, anyway, we'll probably do stuffing
like that, you know names.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
I think it's yeah, everybody, everybody wants to hear that.
But I think we will do something like, let's do
something get this off season. We'll put that together Top
fifty old time. That's a fun Denver Broncos couldn't veil
like ten a day due make it a week.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
We'll make it a week long series and we'll do
a segment. We'll do that. We'll do it through the
off season though after after this coming draft. Ye, I
don't like doing stuff like that in season when there's
in season stuff to talk about. I can set up
a ballot or something, even for the on air talent.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Everybody put their votes in and see what you see
what We'll let the listeners have a vote. We'll have
each each talent you know on the you know, and
you guys, you and Grant have a vote. Yeah and uh,
and put it together and see what we come up with.
Obviously my list will be better than anybody else's.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
But you know it's it's it's fine. It's since Ben's
voting gets three times. Wait wait, you know it's like
like like the electoral college, right, we have to Ben's California,
that's behind the glass weekend, we get Wyoming. You guys
are Wyoming. Although actually, like if for the actually your
votes are actually worth more in Wyoming and not less.
Ye I screwed up the analogy.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
You get Yeah, you get to you get the point
there five to six, six times zeros and text. I'm
I'm still sort of reeling over this win because it's
it is so in the statistic I said it earlier
that jumps out at me. They scored five touchdowns, We
scored four touchdowns on a field goal and we won.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
That was crazy insane statistic.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
What there's the record teams in this circumstance since the
merger are like two and three thousand and sixty or
something thousand and sixty.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Yeah, we went back and got all the data and
say in the modern yeah, it's two and three thousand
sixty two. The only time I believe it otherwise that
it was done was I believe the cults Peyton Manning
Monday Night Football against the Bus, which is another legendary
I mean legendary comeboy, that happened when I was like three,
and I know about that because it was such a
legendary game and that's the type of performance we all
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just got to witness on Sunday. It has me giddy.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Man, that was one I'm gonna remember for my entire life.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Yeah, I still I wouldn't have steal the I don't
know you guys will get this joke, but as we
had a break here in a minute, but the all
time great comebacks, you get the Broncos seabiscuit.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
You know where I'm going with this whole round.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yes, yes, the Chris Pratt uh huh yeah, Peyton Manning obviously,
the Colts books Monday Night Yet Tom Brady against the Falcons. Yes,
Kim Kardashian, pretty sure she in that video anyway, five
six six not zero's the taxlat A lot of great
names coming in, yeah, Dale Carter, Simon Fletcher.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Yeah, we talked about Simon Fletcher. I just the impossible,
the improbability.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
At one point, the analytics had the Broncos at point
two percent point not two percent point two percent, the
eighth most improbable comeback in the history of the next
gen stats era with the NFL, which goes back to
twenty sixteen. So if you know, eighth most unlikely in
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the decade, you aren't even averaging one of these a year,
and the Broncos benefited from one of them.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
It is I mean, it is awesome.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
And for people that are asking about that stat, the
five touchdowns versus fourida field goal, it's because of the
two two point conversions and the missed extra points from
New York. Yes, they had five touchdowns minus three points.
The Broncos had what the four and the three plus
two points? Yeah, so that that was the two two
point conversions and then have the missed stuff from the
Giants ends up you know.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
How that works.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
But yeah, that is that is a just a baffling statistic.
Somebody scored five touchdowns, you got fourida field goal, but
you win. And that's why, Man, that kicker is gonna have.
You can't keep him, not gonna go to young Waikoul. Look,
you gotta you gotta, you gotta punt. You know, with
all due respect to the puns, you have puns on
that kicker and probably find a different long term cent
(32:50):
or option solution for Graham too. So you're not in
this position yearly where oh my goodness, our forty seven
year old kickers heard again, what random guy can we
find on the street for three weeks. It's gotten to
the point, I think losing a game in this fashion
where even if.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
It is young Waiku, find an option you can rely
on to be.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Your starting kicker for eighteen weeks. You should not have
an injury prone kicker. That shouldn't exist. That went right,
That should That's something that's that seems a bit ridiculous,
like you've got to have. And it's interesting to me
because one of the things we'll hit a break here
in a second, but interesting to me. You look at
these spring leagues. The UFL has started to produce kickers
that can kick from a mile out. It makes you
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wonder if there isn't a market inefficiency in scouting kickers
because we're getting the wrong kickers in here. Meanwhile, these
spring leagues are getting these guys that could boot the
ball mile and they're.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Proving to be remarkably resilient. Yeah, I wonder if that's
the thing to do.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Go find some five star wars, like who's the most
elite college goalkeeper in you know, Division.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
One right now?
Speaker 1 (33:57):
And go, hey, you can play for the mlass and
make you know whatever, you'll make ye, or you can.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Come be a kicker. Go find a winger. Don't find
a goaliep but go find Yeah, this shows what I
know about side.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I know goalies sometimes put it fart, but this shows
what I Go find a winger or a striker. Probably
a winger, but you know, just because of the distance.
But go go out and find you somebody who can
kick a ball, like the Brandon Aubrey thing. That's what
I'm thinking about in.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
And of itself, like you just taught himself out of keys,
like I can.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Probably kick a ball like this. That's what you should do.
And it makes me wonder if there is, Yes, no
punch intended. It makes me wonder if there's not a
market inefficiency in that, and that someone should be taking
advantage of this finding guys, maybe even using the practice
squad to load up and develop. You know, they have
two kickers on the practice squad that you're developed, and
that might be something that you can use as a
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pipeline to develop additional draft capital or whatever else as
you develop kickers like it makes me wonder if there's
that because the UFL is certainly finding guys.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
They certainly finding guys that could kick, and.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
I'd argue you're more likely to find a practice squad
kicker that develops into a rosterable player for you you
then a practice squad receiver or a tackle or an
edge rusher or whatever. Yeah, I think Baker Mayfield just
fumbled back to the Lions trying to mount the comeback
here in the fourth quarter at it don't have that
Bonux magic.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
We'll be back after this
I have six six times here.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
I appreciate all you guys text even if I don't,
it's the opportunity to read all of them on the air.
Jay Norvell let go up at Colorado State over the
weekend that loot news was largely UH overshadowed. Probably needed
to happen. Sucks Jane Norvell's UH. As far as as
my interactions with him, he has always been a very
very nice guy. Dave Logan speaks highly of him. As
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far as that goes, I've heard from some people that
used to work for him that had less complimentary things
to say.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Uh, talking about being fired.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Via hr email and not yeah, not not being personally
called into the you know that I'm being personally let
go that, you know, having the respect for that kind
of stuff, so that that would suck.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
But you know, that's one person's allegation. I don't know
if it's true.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Anyway, Jaye Novell let go Colorado State's gotta figured out
what do you hire that Colorado State? Because you're a
you're a mid program, You're you're not a you're not
a P five school. I mean, you go into the
new PAC twelve whatever that is. But it's basically the
glorified Mountain West.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I don't know, Like, how do you hire there? You
got to fight.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
You find somebody who's an up and comer from a
pipeline state and understand that if they do turn you around,
they're going.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
To leave for a better job.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I guess I think it's so hard because j Norvel
looks exactly like the type of guy Colorado State should
be looking for. A guy who took a lower level
group of five program that didn't have a lot of
resources in Nevada and built it up into I mean,
I don't want to say a power but one of the.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Better teams in its conference on a yearly.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Basis, and you bring him in, you go, hey, it's
the exact same conference. We're just giving him a few
more resources to build this team.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
You have I think optimistic or.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Some early returns that built hope in terms of way
we're headed on the right trajectory here, and then all
of a sudden this season it is just completely cratered.
And I think that if I was the CSUD right now,
it would it would have me doubting myself pretty greatly
because I think you did everything by the book with Norvell.
It's the reason why when CSU hired Norvella in that cycle,
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when the bus hired Prime, a lot of people along
the front range here were saying, you know, Prime might
be the sizzle, but Norvell's the stake, and it didn't
work out that.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I'll admit that I was that guy.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
You watched Norvella and what he did there in Nevada
and you saw you saw a guy resurrect in Nascent
program and turned it around.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I think the thing here with CSU is that he
just never got the quarterback right.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
You know, Fowler Nickelosi never developed into what you thought
he was. You thought you had the guy. It was
a plateau or now. He just never turned into the guy.
He had an early run of good games or decent games.
You thought you saw some potential there, and you kind
of get the sunk cost fallacy. You didn't invest in
anybody else because you thought he was the guy. And
they never got the quarterback right and went off for.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
This because they had other talent.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
They had, you know, receiver talent, tight into, they had
talent Tory Horton.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, you had you had.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Undeniable talent there, and honestly, Horton carried Feller Nicolosi. To
be honest with you, I don't know way I don't
want to kick him one with And Dan Hooker was
was amazing. He didn't work out in the NFL because
of whatever knee issues he had, but he was an
amazing talent. You've had guys come through CSU over the
last through a few years. You've had a lot of
time you've had a receiver tight end Talentur mcbrides one
of the time tight.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Ends in the in the NFL. You've had talent come
through there.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
He just they just never got to the quarterback position
right and it ultimately sunk them. You're you're you're in
a division that's gonna be tough because you've got you
had the juggernaut over the last couple of years anyway,
you had the juggernaut that was Boise, you know, and
that's gonna that's always gonna be tough.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
But uh, and you're.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Gonna have to take some P five games for the money,
which means you're going to take some losses. So you're
not ever gonna be in the title you know, the
national title conversation, But.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
You can be successful at CSU The question is.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
In the portal era, in the nil era, what's the
new formula for a mid major program? How do you
how do you find a way to be successful? Do
you adopt the the Arkansas State model, which is we're.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
We're a rehab program, or we are an up and
cover program.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
We're hiring coaches with high buyouts or mid level buyouts,
and we're expecting them to be here one year recruit
because they're big, they're the new hot name that's getting
through the cycle, and then they're going to take a
job and we're making money off the buyouts, and that's
how you fund and build out your program, or is
there another way for them to do it? Like I said,
a pipeline state. Look at now, I don't think GJ.
Kinney is leaving Texas State to come to Colorado State.
(04:23):
But do you find somebody like that who's got a
Texas Florida losing a pipeline connection that can come out
here for a couple of years before they take a
major job. If you turn it around, I think part
of the struggle there is you're going to be competing
with Dion for those Texas players that are interested in Colorado.
Those Florida players that are interested in moving as far
away as Colorado because Prime has made that Dallas, Texas
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area kind of the bus hotbed or main pipeline in
terms of recruiting. So I think battling with him in
his recruiting prowess or name brand recognition, whatever you want
to call it, I think would be a little difficult.
I wonder if you almost try and exploit what might
(05:07):
be a bit of a market inefficiency here with Prime
and the Buffs, which is they really haven't recruited the
state of Colorado or this region much at all. Maybe
rather than trying to go to a California, Texas one
of these better pipeline states, you just go, we're going
to make the Mountain time zone ours. And yes there's
(05:28):
less talent there, but we're just going to own this region.
We're going to get a lot of players in that region.
We're going to develop the hell out of them. We're
going to scout well.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
And maybe that's how you build it up. But it's tough.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Let me offer another solution, all right, And a lot
of people are going to.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Hate me for this. Urban Meyer.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
He's been heavily tied to Colorado state with the interview
involvement and everything else.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
He's a little worst.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
He was an assistant at Colorado State. Urban Meyer was
from nineteen ninety to nineteen ninety five. He was the
wide receivers coach here. Oh wow, I knew he was
involved in the interviews. I didn't know that was the
reason why. Yeah, that's the reason why he does have
a tie here. Dude, would you be willing to take
a chance. You know, Urban's a scumback. I know Urban's
a scumback. And now let me say it again, urban
Meyer is a scumback. And you guys don't know the
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half of it. I was down there in Florida when
he was at Florida. Urban Meyer's is comeback.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
That's it. Do you take a chance.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I mean, we've seen guys get more chances for less.
Bobby Petrino is the interim head coach at the school.
He rode the motorcycle ague another at Arkansas. Right now,
I think you consider it. I don't know why Urban
Meyer unless he's just tied to Colorado State. That name's
hot enough that you're going to get quarterbacks, You're going
to get people to come out. The question is, can
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you afford urban Meyer. Can you pull him out of
the booth and can you find a way to generate
enough NIL funds to uh, you know, because this would
be if this would be an Urban's looking for a
better job job, but you'd get a couple of years
out of it to build it up. That's the thing
I understand why Colorado State would want to do it. It's
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a very appealing hail Mary that I think would probably
rep rewards for that program very very quickly. If I'm
urban Meyer and I am itching to get back into
the coaching game. As rough as his image is, I
think a program with more resources or or with with
better pedigree would be able to or would be willing
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to invest in urban Meyer, even with his checkered past.
And maybe the familiarity with Calorido State is enough to
woo him there. But that'd be my concern that, like
even if a Washington State comes calling or whatever, like,
that's a program that I think can offer a fair
bit more than CSU.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I just I'm looking at.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
This and I'm like, what are the options for Colorado
State to put some juice in the program? Because all
the juice in the state, even with the and I
don't know. I will call it under performance of CU.
All the juice in the state is we'll see you, right,
They're on They're discussed in the national media weekly, they're
on TV all the time, game days coming out here,
that kind of stuff. Colorad State has got a little
(08:05):
brother complex and that they are a smaller school than
see you and all that, and they have a significant
less funding.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
But you know, at the end of the day.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
You've got to you got to find a way to
put some juice into your program. And the only way
that I could think that you'd be able to do
that is with something like that, making it outside the box.
Just like, look, we're going to give a guy a
second chance if if he wants it. I mean, Meyer
hasn't been a coach since what since the Jags, like
twenty twenty one, it's been four years.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Does he does the itch exist there?
Speaker 1 (08:35):
He's only sixty one, you know, I say only, but
he's only sixty one. This isn't like you know Pete
Carroll who's seventy three years old, seventy four years old
and still out there trying to coach, or you know
Bill Belichick' seventy three years old try to coach.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I mean, he's he's a decade and change younger than
those guys. The question is does.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
He have the itch to get out there and coach anymore.
He's already in the College Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
This isn't a legacy thing.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
And he's retired for health issues twice quote unquote health
issues twice.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Well, I mean, you know, getting getting caught with you know,
with cheerleaders will will cause you to have health issues
with your wife.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah. Yeah, but you know it's as far as that goes.
He has not.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
He has not been back in coaching since the Jags
fired him thirteen games into his.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Into his tenure there.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I don't know, but to me, that's the juice hire
that you've got some tepid connection to that you can
make outside of going with a young up and comer.
That's the proven product. It'll get attention. Urban Meyer at
Colorado State will get you attention.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I mean, that's the hail Mary they should be going
for because I think, and I think it crystallizes why
Urban Meyer is a much better option than than who
else is out there. It's like Urban Meyer, or do
you want to hire the head coach at New Mexico,
who's turning that program around.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
I mean that to me, that's but I don't know
what you've got to get him to leave for that totally.
But that's my point.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Like Jason Eck, who I would agree with you, I
think that's a very good hire. But if that's the
very good higre imagine most people listening to this right
now are going, who the heck is Jason Ack. Meanwhile,
Urban Meyers, despite all the grossness in his background, is
a bona fide college football Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Eck has experience here in the state.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
He was a grand assist at Colorado back in back
in two thousand and two and two thousand and three.
That's something it's not cso see you. But still, I mean,
he does have experience in the state. He was at
Montana State as as an offensive coordinator back in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
So regionally, he has some affiliation.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
New Mexico too, right, right, So yeah, just south, So
there's there's some you know, there's some affiliation there as
far as that kind of stuff goes. And like I said, two,
your grant assist at you know, at Colorado back in
O two three, I mean, it's been a while, but
you know he did have a tie to the state
at least as far as that kind of stuff goes.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Those are your options, though, and at the end of
the day, what are you going to do? Do you
take a do you take a guy like that? And
I hardly call it Eki young?
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I mean he's forty eight years old, but you know
he's considered more or less young. He's only been a
Haiti coming right up and coming guy who's a head
coach and turned really kind of turned Idaho around. Yeah,
you know, he got Idaho to to a you know,
to a ten and four record there or leaving for
New Mexico and they're they're about five hundred this year.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I think that's like three and three or whatever it is.
And that's exactly what Colorado State should be looking for.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Like the guy who turned around Idaho a program with
even less recruiting prospects than Carl's State, even less like
nil resources financial resources than Klorado State, and then goes
to New Mexico a program that fits that exact same
billing and turns them around fairly quickly. I guess five hundred.
But you have a thumping of UCLA. That win continues
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to look better and better as UCLA gets gets.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
There poop in a group. I'm it's tough for CSU because.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Again, it feels like they did it the right way
with Thorvell. And do you run it back that way
with Eck or do you swing for the fences with a.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Guy like Meyer.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, that's I mean, any which way the Meyer thing again,
You're you're you're probably not looking at a commitment from him.
You're looking at this is a coach rehab. You know,
I'm gonna I'm gonna do three years here, four years tops. Uh,
turn this thing around and put put you back on
the map, and then I'm gonna get back into you know,
get back into major program coaching.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
That's assuming he wants to. And that's a big assumption.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
But I'm just like, you're right, like, how else And
I'll take your ideas five six six nine zero. What
are your ideas to turn c SU around? You know,
because you just tried the up and comer. Yeah, you
just had that in Jane Norvell. You've tried the rehab
thing before with coaches. You've tried there a stepping stone
guy with uh, what's his face?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
With the Florida Uh oh mcawayan, Yeah, Jim mcawain.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
You know, you do the stepping stone thing. Uh, you
know you look at you look at CEU. See you
tried all those. They tried the uh they had the
up and comer with Mike Mcintiye, and that actually worked,
although they ran out of patience and ran him out
of town when they should have kept you know, and
they should have kept him. And then you tried the
stepping stone stuff with mel Tucker and you were and
you literally were a stepping stone for him.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
He saw what happened.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Uh. And then it made just a stupid mistake with
uh what's his face from Durell? Yeah, Carl Drel like
that was that was just bizarre. I did not understand
that higher at all. That was a panic move. And
so now you're trying the razzle dazzle with with Prime
and you're certainly you're certainly got attention, you got eyes
on money's flowing in. The product hasn't made the playoffs,
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but you've gotten better than the one and ten or
one you know to one and two win seasons that
you had before with Durell, and more money's you know,
definitely pouring in, pouring into the.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Program that I've been in a long, long, long time.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I and that's one problem with now it's urban Meyer.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
I don't think it'd really be a concern.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
But if we if we take urban Meyer off the
table and just talk about, hey, this sizzle thing or
this razzle dazzle, it's working for CU. I think that's
kind of why I see SU has to go a
different direction. Again, a guy like rban Meyer being an
exception to that rule. But I don't think you're going
to out prime coach prime, you know, I think you
want to h it didn't work with Norvell, but I
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think that's the model you want to go with a
guy who's going to slowly build the program up, not
do it the flashy way, build a strong foundation and
go from there, because I don't think you can do
it the fast way or the flashy way, or try
and compete with Colorado for some of these prospects, because
you've already got a fairly tough road to contention at
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CSU without trying to go head to head in state
with SeeU in the momentum they've already got behind them.
So he suggested James Franklin, but I think you'll have
better opportunities probably, But something like that where like a
rehab case where you're rehabilitating a coach's image, that could
maybe be appealing. I'm trying to think who else also
has offsets in his deal with Penn State. I believe
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there's some offsets in there, and he asked has to
be looking for a job for the conditions of his contract,
so you could pay him a very minimal amount. If
he doesn't take a better job, like you could offer
him a very minimal amount, he's still getting paid what
he would get paid at Penn State. Regardless. That'd be
a home run if they're able to swing that, you know,
if you're able. But again, I mean, his only experience
in the region was he was a receivers coach at
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Idaho State, and that's back in nineteen ninety nine. I mean,
you're talking about twenty five years ago, and that's not great.
But he gave ten State their best seasons outside of
Joe Pot and he built Vanderbilt into a he'd be
pretty legit.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
They're not contender, but a legit team.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yeah, I don't really know what else. I really don't
know what other directions to go in, Like I said,
like if you're looking it up in comers, like, no,
you just mentioned Vanderbilt.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
You had Clark Lee down there, who's built Temple.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
But that's why would he go to CSU from SEC school? Well,
I mean, Vandy's it's tough to compete. Vandy's the building
out of the SEC. But he's got them, you know,
he's got them competitive. I mean, you talking about a
guy who turned a two and ten program into a
program that beats Alabama. Now there were seven and six
last year, there's six and one this year. I think
he's gonna have better opportunities than CSU, you know, as
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far as that kind of stuff goes.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
But those kinds of things would be.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
What you would be looking for is trying to find
the coaches that are succeeding despite the odds at whatever
wherever they're at. But I just don't know, Like, I
don't know who that's going to be. I don't know
who moves the needle enough. We get the always we
got the Dave Logan suggestion. Yeah, I don't know if
they would do that or not.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Man, why not?
Speaker 1 (16:39):
He's conquered the high school football coaching ranks, why not
try a bite it something else.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I do think someone with strong Colorado.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Ties who could if you look at you know, twenty
four to seven recruiting or whatever.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
These past couple of years.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Colorado has produced a fair number of quality three star,
four star guys.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Very very few of them are staying.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
They're going to Washington and Nebraska, and they're just getting
spread out all over the place, and Colorado's not really
competing for those recruits.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I wonder if if something there.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Competing in some of these less competitive areas in the
Mountain time zone where you're not going to need a
lot of recruiting resources, maybe that's the angle for CSU.
I don't think you're gonna win a lot of high
end recruiting battles. I think you need to be a
great player, developer and program builder to turn CSU around.
Yeah you had, I mean because you had mcawayne, and
(17:33):
then you thought you thought Mike Bobo was gonna be
that guy, and then you know that kind of wasn't
the DAZZI. Oh, it's just I don't know, Well, we
come back. We're gonnaet back to this Broncos historic win.
You guys listen to Broncos Country Night. You're okay way,
somebody asked me, is it working for CSU? Well, I
mean they're swimming in money right now, so it's certainly
working from that end.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
And I think you know, kind of four and eight
and what AID and four, nine and four whatever they
were last year, Those aren't the most exciting seasons in
a vacuum. But I think you look at what CU
football has been since, like I don't know as long
as I've been conscious of it, like two thousand and
six onwards, A four win season is probably a little
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above average for him.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
And do you want more out of the program?
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah, And I think it's fair to demand that more
of Prime. He's being compensated pretty well, lots of money's
going into that program.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I think it's fair to have higher expectations.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I also think anyone actually rooting for CU should be
pretty honest with themselves about if you fire Prime, because
this isn't good enough. It is far more likely to
get worse than it is to get better.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah, I don't know what you would get in here
at this point.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
I think you have to give Now, you signed that extension,
you do, but you got to give another year or
two and see what he can do with Juju if
a juju gets you know, once juju gets two years
under his belt, and if he's a failure, then then
you're at the crossroads, like, all right, what are we
doing here? We got out of We're no longer horrible.
Now we're just middling. Gotta find somebody to take us
from middling to you know, to good. And as bad
as this year is, like, what are the really frustrating losses?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
You lost at home to a ranked.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Georgia Tech team, a top twenty Georgia Tech team in
the final moments, in the closing moments of that one.
The same thing with a top fifteen ranked BYU team
in the closing moments, and then like the only bad loss,
like embarrassing one sided loss they've had was rowed against Houston.
But Houston's a one lost Big twelve team so far
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this year.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
It's not like, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
I think there's a lot to be optimistic with with
what CEU has shown this year, even if it's not
a great win loss record. Growing up as a loafyet
native just outside Boulder and following cuplus football my entire life,
this is still one of the better CU football teams
I've ever seen. Well, yeah, I just say outside of
the Mike McIntyre era, that really has not been much
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to be excited about, dating all the way back to
before Dan Hawkins was here. So and even Mike McIntyre
towards the end got kind of ugly. Well, it got good,
and then they had hurt over, had to drop off.
They had a reset and nobody was ready for the
reset year. And I'm like, oh, this is about you
guys are about to find out the grass is not greener.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
And that was a mistake. And what are we talking
about right now with coach Prime a bit of a
reset year?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Things nosed I've been and it seems like maybe the
fan base wasn't ready for that.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
One interesting suggestion here, Mike Gundy would be the coach
I would go as a rehab Oh that's a great call.
Not much of a Colorado connection against the middle of
the country in the little bit the small town feel.
You know, he's used to he's used to run a
program that's little sister, her little brother in the you know,
Oklhoma state ors Oklahoma in the pro in this in
the state that's a that's a good call. I'm not
a big Mike Gundy fan personally, but he would elevate.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
The program and he did a great job in that
little brother role.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Also did a good job with a program that doesn't
have a lot of resources and and to go into
these big recruiting battles. Ye, a true program builder. Yeah,
I think that'd be a dream name for c CSU
for seven nine guys. I'd like to see the University
of w Arkansas keep him. But Bobby Patrino would be
a great fit at CSU. He's a Montana guy. It's
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proven he can make two and three star athletes play
like four and five star athletes. Not to mention this,
CSU is in a conference where you don't have to
put a premium on defense like you do in the SEC. Well,
you know, we were talking about Erban Meyer being scumbags.
Bobby Patrino is the and he's had relatives call into
the show before where I've land based him for being
a scumbag.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Bobby Petrino is a new job.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Bob is a scumbag, and I like to the point
where people I know down at the Universe of Arkansas
said he was the one, snaking Sam Pittman.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Behind his back in order to get promoted to the.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Interim head coach job down there. I don't think he's
going to get the job at Arkansas. I believe they're
going to go in a different direction, so he'll be
plenty of available. I hope CSU doesn't go that direction.
But again, he's a scumbag that would elevate the program. Yeah,
if we're just looking at this from the binary of
would they maybe potentially fix what's CSU has going on
(21:55):
right now? I think that Trino is one of the
rare cases who potentially could. And while the scumbaggery I
think is very concerning and something that makes you probably
not want to hire him to be your head coach,
that I don't know that toxic persona also makes it
so he probably won't leave CSU so easily.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Like you said, he's new job, Bob.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
We've seen what he did to the Falcons and plenty
of other teams throughout his coaching tenure. But I don't
know how many other programs bigger than CSU, with more
money than CSU, are going to want Bobby Patrino to
be their head coach in the twenty twenties into the
twenty thirties, right, and how much does he have left anyway,
He's been around a while, yes, you know, as far
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as that kind of stuff goes. Seven to well, we've
had our tickets. How about CEU, We've had our tickets
since nineteen seventy. The season has not been bad at all.
I'm more concerned about Prime's health. I'm worried about that too.
I think that's why you might see Prime leave after
this year.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Something.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
The blood clots seem very concerning. It really is putting
him through a lot of pain. I he's having extended
absences now fairly regularly, whether it's the surgery or all
off season he was missing in back in Dallas, dealing
with health concerns.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
It's it's a real shame to me. But yeah, I
think it's right now.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
I'd say it's more likely that Dion and CEEU mutually
part ways because of some health concern that it is
that Dion's fired.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I think we'll reach that health point not firing him
with that buyout. Oh, I don't even mean this year.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I mean if we were to look into the future
and say, how do those two eventually part ways right now,
I think the health one, unfortunately is more likely.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Three h three.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
I believe one of the topics for your show, it
would be great interest for your listeners, would be what
Bronco football players should be put in the Ring of Fame,
who are deserving to be put in the Ring of
Fame that have not been selected. One person I firmly
believe that's overlooked would be right guard for the Broncos
who had fourteen seasons. That'd be Paul Howard. Yeah, that's
sort of the I think Paul Howard probably deserves it.
I would say he's one of the top twenty five
players ever in Broncos history, so I would say that
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he definitely deserves it. My thing is, it's just tough
for offensive lineman, especially interior offensive linemen, to get those
to get accolades that they deserve, simply because there's not
measurable statistics to.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Laud with those guys.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
That's why you see, like of all the people that
get steinmied is interior defensive and interior offensive lineman. Offensive linman,
especially the interior defensive lineman. You can still get sacks
and pressures and those kinds of things, but there's not
anything for interoffensive linemen to sort of hang their hat on,
say I was the best at this because this number
and we're so obsessed with quantifying and qualifying everything that
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it's rough for them. But I whole hardly agree with you.
Paul Howard might be one of the most underlooked Broncos
of all time. It's certainly a top twenty five old
time Broncos who had a name, our top twenty five
all time Broncos who I'm trying to think of who
would be on that list obviously, l Way, you know,
Manning lay Nayalan rod Smith, Von Miller, Karl Mecklenberg, Uh Jackson,
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Raddy Gratashar, Bill Thompson, Wie Wright, Champ Bailey, Dennis Smith's
Eve at water y'all party, Chavis she Hanon Sharp Carter,
Floyd Little has to be on that list. Roll Davis
has to be on that list, because when we get
to around twenty five or so, I mean, we haven't
even mentioned guys like Candler, Evin's Garrett Poles.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Well those guys I don't think you make it.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Kell Lanier, Matt Lapster, is Al Wilson, Al Wilson so
same and Fletcher, Simon Fletcher, excuse me, to Marius, Yeah,
to Marius for sure. Then you're starting to get into
Paul Howard, Ed McCaffrey. I'm not even to McCaffrey. What
were twenty three names right now? Trevor Price, Chris Harris,
the Keith taleb Tale, Brian clay and Harris. For me,
(25:49):
i'd agree Clady Clayton, man of your See now we're
we're at twenty five now, and now he's starting to
get tough, Yes, because I think I think McCaffrey's like
just outside that list.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
I think, but he's just outside that list. Steve Foley,
rul of Jones, we haven't even talked about. Did you
say Dennis Smith? Yeah? I did say Jed Smith because.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
I think, yeah, I think Justin Simmons, Lyle Alizado, those
guys are like, right, Riley Odims was gonna ran outside
that list? To me? Man, that's tough, Like yeah, maybe yeah,
he's he would be. I think you'd put him in
the top twenty five. Paul Howard, the all the top
twenty five all time Broncos. But then you know you're
you're looking at guys like uh Haven Moses or Gary
Zimmermann did added Lionel Taylor, Dan Neil Jason Elam probably
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belongs on that definitely. And that's without getting into the
Vance Johnson's and the you know and the d J Williams,
Derek Wolf.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
You talked about Garrett Bowles. It's up Church Peyton manning
his tenure here. I don't know if it. I mean,
I think he makes it.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
I think you put him in like the top fifty
maybe all time, but I don't know if you can
squeeze him in the top twenty five based on his
I don't know. I mean I I get the case
four to get the case against Yeah, I see where
you're coming from there. I will say on this topic
the who could be the next Bronco in the Ring
of Fame? I wrote an article about this when DT's
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induction in Shrinman whatever you want to call it, was
announced back in May for KOA so on kaclorado dot com.
You guys can find it there if you want to
read in depth. I highlighted Al Wilson, who we mentioned
as I think maybe the most deserving guy, had all pros,
lots of tackles. He's he's like top ten in all
these stats in terms of approximate value, which is a
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good kind of catch all you can compare across different positions.
On Pro Football Reference, he's right next to Al Wilson.
This is right next to Steve Atwater and Carl Mecklenberg,
which I think captures the impact of that player.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Trevor Price.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
You mentioned Eddie Mack, guys that aren't in the Ring
of Fame yet, and it's kind of surprising. I also
will sup for Ryan Clady getting those because it's just
an injury thing. He's kind of a Trail Davis case
where such a high peak, but you know NFL All
Pro arguably the best in the league.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
A hot so fast Yeah bummer, Yeah, No, I'm with
you on that. Good question.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
That's one of those things I think during the offseason
we like to do those. Yeah, and somebody's texting, did
you get on?
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Yeah? Absolutely got von.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Vonn's a top five all time BRONC like Vn's not
rushmore Kony, Yeah, yeah, v Vaughn's in. That's in that
top five conversation because I think you're you know, Lways
obviously on their number one, and then after that you've
got like four or five names. You could get it
there really tough. But I think Vaughn's in that conversation
for sure. As far as that, Ron Smith's got to
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be in there. Tom Nayland's probably in there. Tom Jackson's
on the border if he's not in there. Cole Mecklenburg's
the border if he's not in there. Yeah, and then
it's like Champ didn't even mention in terms of the
like top five things Champ I think is really clear.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Vaughan has the has the Super Bowl MVP, which I
think really helps t D. Yeah, those are all guys
that you got. But yeah, anyway, we'll probably do stuffing
like that, you know names.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
I think it's yeah, everybody, everybody wants to hear that.
But I think we will do something like, let's do
something get this off season. We'll put that together Top
fifty old time. That's a fun Denver Broncos couldn't veil
like ten a day due make it a week.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
We'll make it a week long series and we'll do
a segment. We'll do that. We'll do it through the
off season though after after this coming draft. Ye, I
don't like doing stuff like that in season when there's
in season stuff to talk about. I can set up
a ballot or something, even for the on air talent.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Everybody put their votes in and see what you see
what We'll let the listeners have a vote. We'll have
each each talent you know on the you know, and
you guys, you and Grant have a vote. Yeah and uh,
and put it together and see what we come up with.
Obviously my list will be better than anybody else's.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
But you know it's it's it's fine. It's since Ben's
voting gets three times. Wait wait, you know it's like
like like the electoral college, right, we have to Ben's California,
that's behind the glass weekend, we get Wyoming. You guys
are Wyoming. Although actually, like if for the actually your
votes are actually worth more in Wyoming and not less.
Ye I screwed up the analogy.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
You get Yeah, you get to you get the point
there five to six, six times zeros and text. I'm
I'm still sort of reeling over this win because it's
it is so in the statistic I said it earlier
that jumps out at me. They scored five touchdowns, We
scored four touchdowns on a field goal and we won.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
That was crazy insane statistic.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
What there's the record teams in this circumstance since the
merger are like two and three thousand and sixty or
something thousand and sixty.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Yeah, we went back and got all the data and
say in the modern yeah, it's two and three thousand
sixty two. The only time I believe it otherwise that
it was done was I believe the cults Peyton Manning
Monday Night Football against the Bus, which is another legendary
I mean legendary comeboy, that happened when I was like three,
and I know about that because it was such a
legendary game and that's the type of performance we all
(30:50):
just got to witness on Sunday. It has me giddy.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Man, that was one I'm gonna remember for my entire life.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Yeah, I still I wouldn't have steal the I don't
know you guys will get this joke, but as we
had a break here in a minute, but the all
time great comebacks, you get the Broncos seabiscuit.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
You know where I'm going with this whole round.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yes, yes, the Chris Pratt uh huh yeah, Peyton Manning obviously,
the Colts books Monday Night Yet Tom Brady against the Falcons. Yes,
Kim Kardashian, pretty sure she in that video anyway, five
six six not zero's the taxlat A lot of great
names coming in, yeah, Dale Carter, Simon Fletcher.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Yeah, we talked about Simon Fletcher. I just the impossible,
the improbability.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
At one point, the analytics had the Broncos at point
two percent point not two percent point two percent, the
eighth most improbable comeback in the history of the next
gen stats era with the NFL, which goes back to
twenty sixteen. So if you know, eighth most unlikely in
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the decade, you aren't even averaging one of these a year,
and the Broncos benefited from one of them.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
It is I mean, it is awesome.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
And for people that are asking about that stat, the
five touchdowns versus fourida field goal, it's because of the
two two point conversions and the missed extra points from
New York. Yes, they had five touchdowns minus three points.
The Broncos had what the four and the three plus
two points? Yeah, so that that was the two two
point conversions and then have the missed stuff from the
Giants ends up you know.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
How that works.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
But yeah, that is that is a just a baffling statistic.
Somebody scored five touchdowns, you got fourida field goal, but
you win. And that's why, Man, that kicker is gonna have.
You can't keep him, not gonna go to young Waikoul. Look,
you gotta you gotta, you gotta punt. You know, with
all due respect to the puns, you have puns on
that kicker and probably find a different long term cent
(32:50):
or option solution for Graham too. So you're not in
this position yearly where oh my goodness, our forty seven
year old kickers heard again, what random guy can we
find on the street for three weeks. It's gotten to
the point, I think losing a game in this fashion
where even if.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
It is young Waiku, find an option you can rely
on to be.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Your starting kicker for eighteen weeks. You should not have
an injury prone kicker. That shouldn't exist. That went right,
That should That's something that's that seems a bit ridiculous,
like you've got to have. And it's interesting to me
because one of the things we'll hit a break here
in a second, but interesting to me. You look at
these spring leagues. The UFL has started to produce kickers
that can kick from a mile out. It makes you
(33:33):
wonder if there isn't a market inefficiency in scouting kickers
because we're getting the wrong kickers in here. Meanwhile, these
spring leagues are getting these guys that could boot the
ball mile and they're.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Proving to be remarkably resilient. Yeah, I wonder if that's
the thing to do.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Go find some five star wars, like who's the most
elite college goalkeeper in you know, Division.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
One right now?
Speaker 1 (33:57):
And go, hey, you can play for the mlass and
make you know whatever, you'll make ye, or you can.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Come be a kicker. Go find a winger. Don't find
a goaliep but go find Yeah, this shows what I
know about side.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I know goalies sometimes put it fart, but this shows
what I Go find a winger or a striker. Probably
a winger, but you know, just because of the distance.
But go go out and find you somebody who can
kick a ball, like the Brandon Aubrey thing. That's what
I'm thinking about in.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
And of itself, like you just taught himself out of keys,
like I can.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Probably kick a ball like this. That's what you should do.
And it makes me wonder if there is, Yes, no
punch intended. It makes me wonder if there's not a
market inefficiency in that, and that someone should be taking
advantage of this finding guys, maybe even using the practice
squad to load up and develop. You know, they have
two kickers on the practice squad that you're developed, and
that might be something that you can use as a
(34:43):
pipeline to develop additional draft capital or whatever else as
you develop kickers like it makes me wonder if there's
that because the UFL is certainly finding guys.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
They certainly finding guys that could kick, and.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
I'd argue you're more likely to find a practice squad
kicker that develops into a rosterable player for you you
then a practice squad receiver or a tackle or an
edge rusher or whatever. Yeah, I think Baker Mayfield just
fumbled back to the Lions trying to mount the comeback
here in the fourth quarter at it don't have that
Bonux magic.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
We'll be back after this
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