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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And tonight.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
I appreciate you guys being along for the ride. Three
one five said. One thing that I don't think's been
talked about too much, was anybody else rooting for Garrett
Bowles to get that touchdown? Big Man couldn't get it,
but hey, at least he laid out for it, more
hustle than I've seen from some on the one.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Yeah, I mean you're always rooting for something like that.
You're rooting for Garret Bulls to get it. We're not. No,
I think it's rooting against it.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Why My problem with that play, and my problem with
one aspect of this offense in general, is we need
a lot of trick plays to make stuff happen. That's
usually a side of a bad offense. We run a
lot of trick plays.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
I think that.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Same critique could be made of Dan Campbell's Lions, and
you look at what coaching for you, Dan Campbell comes
off of it.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Sean Payton.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Sean Payton's done this when he had elite offenses in
New Orleans. I think you could argue it is unnecessary
or overly flowery, or or I don't know, something like that,
but I don't think it is inherently indicative of a
bad offense, because I think Peyton's done this even when
his offenses were good.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Singled out, I don't think think it is.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
But when you add in the fact that we had
the ball inside the five yard line for what was it,
twelve plays and ran it none of them I ran
it once from the five down of the two, I
think on that specific thing, we had three chances from
the two and we're dialing up a pass to a
to a tackle eligible Garrett Bulls, who's never done that.
We would run that same boot play to the right
that we always ran, and they snuffed that out, and
(01:21):
then a fourth down screenplay that we had no business
calling whatsoever. Those three points sure would have come in
handy would have made. That would have changed the calculus
on that game a lot different if we just taken
the three points. But if you go to run a play,
run a play that puts you at a chance to
get something, not the same screenplay that we run, except
this time it's for Courtland Sutton.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yeah, no, I would agree with that conclusion. Ultimately, the
play calling was very problematic.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
The inside of the five, like we gotta get them,
we gotta let both throw it inside the five. Stuff
is It blows my mind. And people are like, oh, Ben,
Sean Page's not tried to pad the stats. He's sure
coaches like he's trying to sometimes, Like you know, that
was one of the things that that blows my You're
you're hiding your quarterback with certain things. Then you get
down there and you want to you want to make
sure they're all aerial touchdowns, so the quarterback gets the
(02:05):
you know, gets the numbers or whatever.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Dude, just run the ball, JK got you there, Just
run the ball. Let JK put it in. Yeah. They
need a lean harder into that identity, and they just don't.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
And I just like it's mind blowing to me sometimes
how those kinds of things happen. Obviously I'm rooting for
rooting for Garrett, but you know, if you don't run
something like, yeah, you want something cool, that's that's cool
football stuff you want, you don't do in a game
where you're down two scores.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
You finally got it inside the five, quick, getting cute.
Just put the ball on the end zone.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
And I think that's part of like my larger disdain
for some of the things that Sean Payton does Sean
Payn's a good football coach, But then you do stuff
like that and you're like, dude, what are we doing?
Why are you getting cute inside the five when when
we got to get points, you know, And so those
kinds of things I think, are are I think the problem.
I always love doing this thrill, the victory of the agony,
(02:57):
agony of defeat, the closing calls from the New York
Giants as well as our own Dave Logan.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Let's go with the Giants call first. All right, well
we got the.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Broncos long, I got the montage of com back to
the montage.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
That's fine, listen to the montage. I was good. I
just want to hear the end of the game calls.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
You have come to the end of three quarters of
play here in Denver, the Giants, with the nineteen nothing
lead over the Broncos. Nicks in trouble, throws a ball
deflected and thought in the end zone.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
On the rebound, that.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
Ball pot by Troy Franklin, Knicks keeps it, rolls to
his right inside the five, next to the goal line,
and both scampers into the end zone with a Denver touchdown.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Five thirteen left.
Speaker 6 (03:39):
And it's now twenty six fourteen. Everyone will bring the
house guarded shotgun. Snap steps up and throws the ball
center sept.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
They're not as it inside to twenty. They're not still
on his.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Feet and pulled down at the eighteen and.
Speaker 6 (03:53):
Oh my four forty seven left Knicks rolls to his right,
throws the ball into the flat.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
RJ already has it and Denver.
Speaker 6 (04:01):
Has a touchdown twenty six twenty two.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Mix loads it up, throws the ball deep on the sideline.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
The ball's cart inside the forty is the Giants de
ball topped by.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Marvin Mims and balls thrown. This is Ingram with the catch.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
Ingram stays in bounce and he is free all the
way inside of twenty.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
He's on a design quarterback run.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
Both has had a catch, Balls had a five toush
down dead by Holly backrel. The Broncos are an extra
point away from putting thirty on the Giants.
Speaker 7 (04:30):
In the fourth quarter yard of the.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
Pocket steps up, grab his shot back at the thirty,
throws a ball for Sudden, who.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
Goes up and it makes the catch inside the twenty five.
Denver with eight seven six five on the water scrimmings
fo ny kill it what post seconds to go Denver
with the ball on the twenty with the ball being
spotted at the twenty nine at attempt to thirty nine
yards for the win, snap replacement kick on the way,
(05:02):
There's done, and Denver, in most improbable fashion, down nineteen
nothing starting the fourth quarter. They come from behind, not
at once, but twice. They beat the Giants at the gun.
Speaker 6 (05:18):
Thirty three, thirty two, and Denver is in first place
in the AFC West.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Might just be one of those years, folks.
Speaker 6 (05:28):
It might just be.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Jills.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Chills is Dave Logan on the call, the montage of
the fourth quarter comeback. I always love listening to stuff
like that, with the giant stuff in there somewhere. We're
gonna look for that one, just to give you the
agony of defeat side of it. I always love hearing
those differing perspectives. A lot of fun on those kinds
of things.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
A couple of text messages coming in somebody asking.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
If Dianna or Paut of the stats for Shadu or
I mean, it kind of felt like they were trying
to run it up for a Heisman campaign. They're a
little bit different in college football, where style points matter
both for rankings and for awards.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
But but yeah, three.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Point five fair point I interpreted as Sean reaching in
his bag and getting creative, kind of like what the
Chiefs did us years back with I forget his name,
but don Terry Poe is who the chief did with
to a degree. Yes, I'm with you on that, and
I applaud the creativity there. In fact, if Garrett Bowles,
if that throw hadn't been tipped and had been throwing
a little more arc.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Garret Bulls probably catches that. My problems are twofold. One.
We're running this trick stuff too often.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
It's not It's one thing to have a trick playback there,
it'd be like awesome, you know. It's another thing when
you're running Philly Special every game, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
What I mean.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Like, it's if you have to run plays like that
every game, that says something about your offense, whether you're
intending to or not. It says you don't believe that
they are capable of executing your base offense well enough
to score at a consistent level. And so that's sort
of a problem for me. I'm all four trick plays.
(07:08):
I love that stuff. I love seeing cool football stuff,
I really do. They're just a flip side of the
coin on that is, if you have to do that
stuff to manufacture points, that's sort of a problem.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Why, you know, why is that?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Why is that, especially when in the fourth quarter we're
seeing the offense that we run specifically vertically work.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, I think there's.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I think the root of it is a lack of
trust in bod Nicks, and I think that's a very
important part of the equation to not overlook he's one
of the worst quarterbacks throwing twenty plus yards downfield this year,
and he's one of the most infrequent targeters of the
intermediate part of the field. That's going to make everything
feel very compressed and very suffocated.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Now. Sean Payton is making the problem a million.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Times worse by calling the game as if Kendall Hidden
or like Taysom Hill was his quarterback, where it's just
screens and and it's it's further compressing what would already
be a compressed attack, and it's it's exacerbating the problem.
But I think you don't get to where the Broncos
are offensively right now. Unfortunately, if you don't have both
(08:21):
sides of the coin. They're playing off each other, Doc
and there's there's I.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Agree with that. That's basically the way I would put
it is.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I think Sean right now is trying to hide bow
in some ways and is exacerbating the problem inadvertently overdoing
it by it right and you know you're down on
the two yard line. We didn't need a trick play there.
We didn't need one. Put the ball in JK Dobbin's hands.
It's it's second, it's second down and two a second
goal from the two. Put the ball in JK Dobbin's
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hands and let JK cook.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
And I'm not opposed to having one of those, like
if you have the tackle eligible or the.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
I don't give and know if.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
It's a trick play, but the tendency breaker, I guess
where you hit someton on the screen. If you have
one of those on a four play sequence, that's cool.
But I agree with you two or three should be
Dobbins runs. I think if you have one weird trick
to Dobbins runs and try with the boot or something,
I can live with that.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
But when you have a what.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Four throws and two of them are are gadget plays.
That's when it gets tedious.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, and so that's that's the thing is at the
end of the day, like if you're having to rely
on that type of stuff, that's it's it says something
and it puts something out there, you know, and you
guys know it. So I'm hoping that we scrap some
of this stuff and just let Bow cook for better
or worse. You know, let ak cook. Let Bow cook
for better or worse, because you're gonna need it.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
I'm gonna tell you right now.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I mean, Dallas doesn't have a great defense, but they
can put points up in spades, and you're gonna have
to be able to keep up.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
You're not gonna be able to get down and then hope.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
For a fourth quarter miracle against a team that can
both throw and run the ball the way that Dallas can.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Now you've got that. You've got the Giants clip.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yes, I've got some options for you here, Ben, I've
got the defensive pass interference call from from.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
The Giants POV.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
I've got bo Nix's go ahead touchdown runs.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Let's do all three.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Let's do them, do them in order that they occurred
in the game. Let's do all the ones to do them,
do them in order perfect.
Speaker 7 (10:21):
Mark takes the snap back to throw with treats, pumps
brushed out.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
He is white.
Speaker 7 (10:27):
Now he's gonna throw it down the right sideline foot
both college. He jumps in the air and completely underthrow
them again.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Now there's a flag on her zone yep, and that.
Speaker 7 (10:37):
Will be a spot foul with the ball at the
one if it's against Denver. Sean Payton is screaming at
the officials. He's gonna get a flag. He's gonna get
another flag and another flag.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I don't know what the officials are hunting about. The
back judge through the flag. If you saw interference, it's interference.
What's the discover.
Speaker 7 (11:01):
We've seen interference on underthrown balls.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
All the time. Yep.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
There are two fouls in the play, both by the
defense pass interference thirty one.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
I rolled the ball this place and spot on the foul.
Speaker 8 (11:14):
Automatic per sound was also unforcement on my conduct on
the head.
Speaker 7 (11:19):
Coach Tumpai's lucky to get kicked out of the game.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Well, I don't know about that. I'm gonna get kicked
out of the game. But that was certainly uh interesting
homer call interesting to hear their perspective on. You said
you had a couple others there. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
So after that, of course, the Giants scored a touchdown
and then lined up to kick an extra point to
take a pivotal three point lead.
Speaker 7 (11:44):
Make a tumbny on for the extra point. Now he's
missed one already, so get this week. Make a Tummney
for the extra point. Snap is good kick on its way.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
He missed and he missed it.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
Nicka tummy has missed two extra points and the Giant
lead is thirty to thirty with thirty seven seconds to go.
Your gear, Tonny mooreber Miro bartererber Mer, t'ma hey, if
Cano's not ready to come back, young way Ko gets
the next shot.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
You can't be missing extra.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
Points in the NRL.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
You called it.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I'm just saying like you like that was that was
not as dejected or as uh as interesting a reaction
as I would have thought.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I would have thought that red reaction would have been
more severe. Yeah, you got a few more.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Yes, we've got the Giants losing on the walkoff field
goal here, okay, all right, thirty.
Speaker 7 (12:39):
Nine yard field goal to win the game with two
seconds to go.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Watch his set stop is good.
Speaker 7 (12:45):
Kick on his way and it is good.
Speaker 8 (12:50):
And the career Bronco how Peter the Giants thirty three
thirty two as they come from nineteen points down on
the quarter and they drive.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
It down the field at the end of the game.
Speaker 9 (13:05):
Yeah, you're mp with a lot of things, but you
can't have kickers missing in much time. Your defense completely
evaporated for the last eight minutes of the game. It's
they have no one that's played with control.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah, they got to grow up. And that's that's the point.
I mean, you get to go one more.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
I do, and I inadvertently saved the best for last.
Speaker 7 (13:30):
Hope Wak takes the snap back to right.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Wrong one, Sorry for that Giants lead at twenty six
twenty three.
Speaker 10 (13:42):
Horrible tackling by the Giants on that Ingram catch along
the left side.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Tackling when you needed it most to be good.
Speaker 10 (13:50):
Phillips and Banks a wall on that play. So now
the Giants, So you need a whole denver to a
field goal to at least get overtop.
Speaker 7 (14:04):
Nick's gonna run it around the left side. Mix gets
a block next to you can mix to the pot.
Speaker 9 (14:09):
Mix it fort cut down like Denver with love fifty
one a gorug Giants are gassed, You're out the too pro.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
It's so funny because normally we have like these crestfallen calls.
It felt like these guys were more excited for the
Broncos comeback.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Than than like, you know, an average Bronco.
Speaker 9 (14:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
No, they did a good job. I guess.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
I don't know about taking their homer homersm Cats off,
but at least having some excitement for what the Broncos did.
I thought it caught the and Ryan pointed this out
during Kai Sports, but it kind of captures the differences
between the Denver market and the New York New York
market where they're getting ready to line up for the
next play and he's just naming off like five or
six Giants defenders he's.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Mad at for screwing up on the play that just finished. Yeah,
and they know a.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Point because it's not been talked about, is the defensive
collapse by the Giants in that game.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
That altitude, Man, it does you know.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
One thing we had been worried about was the Broncos
not being necessarily physically adjusted because they've spent two weeks
down at sea level between Philly and in London, and
meanwhile the Giants were operating on ten days rest. It's
you know, it's it's sort of it's interesting. It is
one of the one of the greatest comebacks of all time.
And whatever the reasons, all of the reasons as you
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combine them.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
At the end of the day, it's a w on
the scoreboard. They can't take that away from you.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
And just the crazy win in so many ways, like, yes,
it's the unreal comeback, the zero zero, zero thirty three
things crazy, all the you know, DT signs or whatever
you want to call it.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
It is amazing. But then you just have.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
All these wacky moments like that back to back drives
ended with deflection touchdowns. I don't know if I've ever
seen that before in NFL history released as long as
I've been watching football, let alone all the other crazy
hijinks that happened in this game.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, it's it is certainly something. When we come back,
we've got an NFL six pack
And tonight.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
I appreciate you guys being along for the ride. Three
one five said. One thing that I don't think's been
talked about too much, was anybody else rooting for Garrett
Bowles to get that touchdown? Big Man couldn't get it,
but hey, at least he laid out for it, more
hustle than I've seen from some on the one.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Yeah, I mean you're always rooting for something like that.
You're rooting for Garret Bulls to get it. We're not. No,
I think it's rooting against it.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Why My problem with that play, and my problem with
one aspect of this offense in general, is we need
a lot of trick plays to make stuff happen. That's
usually a side of a bad offense. We run a
lot of trick plays.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
I think that.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Same critique could be made of Dan Campbell's Lions, and
you look at what coaching for you, Dan Campbell comes
off of it.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Sean Payton.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Sean Payton's done this when he had elite offenses in
New Orleans. I think you could argue it is unnecessary
or overly flowery, or or I don't know, something like that,
but I don't think it is inherently indicative of a
bad offense, because I think Peyton's done this even when
his offenses were good.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Singled out, I don't think think it is.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
But when you add in the fact that we had
the ball inside the five yard line for what was it,
twelve plays and ran it none of them I ran
it once from the five down of the two, I
think on that specific thing, we had three chances from
the two and we're dialing up a pass to a
to a tackle eligible Garrett Bulls, who's never done that.
We would run that same boot play to the right
that we always ran, and they snuffed that out, and
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then a fourth down screenplay that we had no business
calling whatsoever. Those three points sure would have come in
handy would have made. That would have changed the calculus
on that game a lot different if we just taken
the three points. But if you go to run a play,
run a play that puts you at a chance to
get something, not the same screenplay that we run, except
this time it's for Courtland Sutton.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yeah, no, I would agree with that conclusion. Ultimately, the
play calling was very problematic.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
The inside of the five, like we gotta get them,
we gotta let both throw it inside the five. Stuff
is It blows my mind. And people are like, oh, Ben,
Sean Page's not tried to pad the stats. He's sure
coaches like he's trying to sometimes, Like you know, that
was one of the things that that blows my You're
you're hiding your quarterback with certain things. Then you get
down there and you want to you want to make
sure they're all aerial touchdowns, so the quarterback gets the
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you know, gets the numbers or whatever.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Dude, just run the ball, JK got you there, Just
run the ball. Let JK put it in. Yeah. They
need a lean harder into that identity, and they just don't.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
And I just like it's mind blowing to me sometimes
how those kinds of things happen. Obviously I'm rooting for
rooting for Garrett, but you know, if you don't run
something like, yeah, you want something cool, that's that's cool
football stuff you want, you don't do in a game
where you're down two scores.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
You finally got it inside the five, quick, getting cute.
Just put the ball on the end zone.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
And I think that's part of like my larger disdain
for some of the things that Sean Payton does Sean
Payn's a good football coach, But then you do stuff
like that and you're like, dude, what are we doing?
Why are you getting cute inside the five when when
we got to get points, you know, And so those
kinds of things I think, are are I think the problem.
I always love doing this thrill, the victory of the agony,
(02:57):
agony of defeat, the closing calls from the New York
Giants as well as our own Dave Logan.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Let's go with the Giants call first. All right, well
we got the.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Broncos long, I got the montage of com back to
the montage.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
That's fine, listen to the montage. I was good. I
just want to hear the end of the game calls.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
You have come to the end of three quarters of
play here in Denver, the Giants, with the nineteen nothing
lead over the Broncos. Nicks in trouble, throws a ball
deflected and thought in the end zone.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
On the rebound, that.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
Ball pot by Troy Franklin, Knicks keeps it, rolls to
his right inside the five, next to the goal line,
and both scampers into the end zone with a Denver touchdown.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Five thirteen left.
Speaker 6 (03:39):
And it's now twenty six fourteen. Everyone will bring the
house guarded shotgun. Snap steps up and throws the ball
center sept.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
They're not as it inside to twenty. They're not still
on his.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Feet and pulled down at the eighteen and.
Speaker 6 (03:53):
Oh my four forty seven left Knicks rolls to his right,
throws the ball into the flat.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
RJ already has it and Denver.
Speaker 6 (04:01):
Has a touchdown twenty six twenty two.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Mix loads it up, throws the ball deep on the sideline.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
The ball's cart inside the forty is the Giants de
ball topped by.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Marvin Mims and balls thrown. This is Ingram with the catch.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
Ingram stays in bounce and he is free all the
way inside of twenty.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
He's on a design quarterback run.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
Both has had a catch, Balls had a five toush
down dead by Holly backrel. The Broncos are an extra
point away from putting thirty on the Giants.
Speaker 7 (04:30):
In the fourth quarter yard of the.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
Pocket steps up, grab his shot back at the thirty,
throws a ball for Sudden, who.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
Goes up and it makes the catch inside the twenty five.
Denver with eight seven six five on the water scrimmings
fo ny kill it what post seconds to go Denver
with the ball on the twenty with the ball being
spotted at the twenty nine at attempt to thirty nine
yards for the win, snap replacement kick on the way,
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There's done, and Denver, in most improbable fashion, down nineteen
nothing starting the fourth quarter. They come from behind, not
at once, but twice. They beat the Giants at the gun.
Speaker 6 (05:18):
Thirty three, thirty two, and Denver is in first place
in the AFC West.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Might just be one of those years, folks.
Speaker 6 (05:28):
It might just be.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Jills.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Chills is Dave Logan on the call, the montage of
the fourth quarter comeback. I always love listening to stuff
like that, with the giant stuff in there somewhere. We're
gonna look for that one, just to give you the
agony of defeat side of it. I always love hearing
those differing perspectives. A lot of fun on those kinds
of things.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
A couple of text messages coming in somebody asking.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
If Dianna or Paut of the stats for Shadu or
I mean, it kind of felt like they were trying
to run it up for a Heisman campaign. They're a
little bit different in college football, where style points matter
both for rankings and for awards.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
But but yeah, three.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Point five fair point I interpreted as Sean reaching in
his bag and getting creative, kind of like what the
Chiefs did us years back with I forget his name,
but don Terry Poe is who the chief did with
to a degree. Yes, I'm with you on that, and
I applaud the creativity there. In fact, if Garrett Bowles,
if that throw hadn't been tipped and had been throwing
a little more arc.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Garret Bulls probably catches that. My problems are twofold. One.
We're running this trick stuff too often.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
It's not It's one thing to have a trick playback there,
it'd be like awesome, you know. It's another thing when
you're running Philly Special every game, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
What I mean.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Like, it's if you have to run plays like that
every game, that says something about your offense, whether you're
intending to or not. It says you don't believe that
they are capable of executing your base offense well enough
to score at a consistent level. And so that's sort
of a problem for me. I'm all four trick plays.
(07:08):
I love that stuff. I love seeing cool football stuff,
I really do. They're just a flip side of the
coin on that is, if you have to do that
stuff to manufacture points, that's sort of a problem.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Why, you know, why is that?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Why is that, especially when in the fourth quarter we're
seeing the offense that we run specifically vertically work.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, I think there's.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I think the root of it is a lack of
trust in bod Nicks, and I think that's a very
important part of the equation to not overlook he's one
of the worst quarterbacks throwing twenty plus yards downfield this year,
and he's one of the most infrequent targeters of the
intermediate part of the field. That's going to make everything
feel very compressed and very suffocated.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Now. Sean Payton is making the problem a million.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Times worse by calling the game as if Kendall Hidden
or like Taysom Hill was his quarterback, where it's just
screens and and it's it's further compressing what would already
be a compressed attack, and it's it's exacerbating the problem.
But I think you don't get to where the Broncos
are offensively right now. Unfortunately, if you don't have both
(08:21):
sides of the coin. They're playing off each other, Doc
and there's there's I.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Agree with that. That's basically the way I would put
it is.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I think Sean right now is trying to hide bow
in some ways and is exacerbating the problem inadvertently overdoing
it by it right and you know you're down on
the two yard line. We didn't need a trick play there.
We didn't need one. Put the ball in JK Dobbin's hands.
It's it's second, it's second down and two a second
goal from the two. Put the ball in JK Dobbin's
(08:49):
hands and let JK cook.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
And I'm not opposed to having one of those, like
if you have the tackle eligible or the.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
I don't give and know if.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
It's a trick play, but the tendency breaker, I guess
where you hit someton on the screen. If you have
one of those on a four play sequence, that's cool.
But I agree with you two or three should be
Dobbins runs. I think if you have one weird trick
to Dobbins runs and try with the boot or something,
I can live with that.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
But when you have a what.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Four throws and two of them are are gadget plays.
That's when it gets tedious.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, and so that's that's the thing is at the
end of the day, like if you're having to rely
on that type of stuff, that's it's it says something
and it puts something out there, you know, and you
guys know it. So I'm hoping that we scrap some
of this stuff and just let Bow cook for better
or worse. You know, let ak cook. Let Bow cook
for better or worse, because you're gonna need it.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
I'm gonna tell you right now.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I mean, Dallas doesn't have a great defense, but they
can put points up in spades, and you're gonna have
to be able to keep up.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
You're not gonna be able to get down and then hope.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
For a fourth quarter miracle against a team that can
both throw and run the ball the way that Dallas can.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Now you've got that. You've got the Giants clip.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yes, I've got some options for you here, Ben, I've
got the defensive pass interference call from from.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
The Giants POV.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
I've got bo Nix's go ahead touchdown runs.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Let's do all three.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Let's do them, do them in order that they occurred
in the game. Let's do all the ones to do them,
do them in order perfect.
Speaker 7 (10:21):
Mark takes the snap back to throw with treats, pumps
brushed out.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
He is white.
Speaker 7 (10:27):
Now he's gonna throw it down the right sideline foot
both college. He jumps in the air and completely underthrow
them again.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Now there's a flag on her zone yep, and that.
Speaker 7 (10:37):
Will be a spot foul with the ball at the
one if it's against Denver. Sean Payton is screaming at
the officials. He's gonna get a flag. He's gonna get
another flag and another flag.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I don't know what the officials are hunting about. The
back judge through the flag. If you saw interference, it's interference.
What's the discover.
Speaker 7 (11:01):
We've seen interference on underthrown balls.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
All the time. Yep.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
There are two fouls in the play, both by the
defense pass interference thirty one.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
I rolled the ball this place and spot on the foul.
Speaker 8 (11:14):
Automatic per sound was also unforcement on my conduct on
the head.
Speaker 7 (11:19):
Coach Tumpai's lucky to get kicked out of the game.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Well, I don't know about that. I'm gonna get kicked
out of the game. But that was certainly uh interesting
homer call interesting to hear their perspective on. You said
you had a couple others there. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
So after that, of course, the Giants scored a touchdown
and then lined up to kick an extra point to
take a pivotal three point lead.
Speaker 7 (11:44):
Make a tumbny on for the extra point. Now he's
missed one already, so get this week. Make a Tummney
for the extra point. Snap is good kick on its way.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
He missed and he missed it.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
Nicka tummy has missed two extra points and the Giant
lead is thirty to thirty with thirty seven seconds to go.
Your gear, Tonny mooreber Miro bartererber Mer, t'ma hey, if
Cano's not ready to come back, young way Ko gets
the next shot.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
You can't be missing extra.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
Points in the NRL.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
You called it.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I'm just saying like you like that was that was
not as dejected or as uh as interesting a reaction
as I would have thought.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I would have thought that red reaction would have been
more severe. Yeah, you got a few more.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Yes, we've got the Giants losing on the walkoff field
goal here, okay, all right, thirty.
Speaker 7 (12:39):
Nine yard field goal to win the game with two
seconds to go.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Watch his set stop is good.
Speaker 7 (12:45):
Kick on his way and it is good.
Speaker 8 (12:50):
And the career Bronco how Peter the Giants thirty three
thirty two as they come from nineteen points down on
the quarter and they drive.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
It down the field at the end of the game.
Speaker 9 (13:05):
Yeah, you're mp with a lot of things, but you
can't have kickers missing in much time. Your defense completely
evaporated for the last eight minutes of the game. It's
they have no one that's played with control.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah, they got to grow up. And that's that's the point.
I mean, you get to go one more.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
I do, and I inadvertently saved the best for last.
Speaker 7 (13:30):
Hope Wak takes the snap back to right.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Wrong one, Sorry for that Giants lead at twenty six
twenty three.
Speaker 10 (13:42):
Horrible tackling by the Giants on that Ingram catch along
the left side.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Tackling when you needed it most to be good.
Speaker 10 (13:50):
Phillips and Banks a wall on that play. So now
the Giants, So you need a whole denver to a
field goal to at least get overtop.
Speaker 7 (14:04):
Nick's gonna run it around the left side. Mix gets
a block next to you can mix to the pot.
Speaker 9 (14:09):
Mix it fort cut down like Denver with love fifty
one a gorug Giants are gassed, You're out the too pro.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
It's so funny because normally we have like these crestfallen calls.
It felt like these guys were more excited for the
Broncos comeback.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Than than like, you know, an average Bronco.
Speaker 9 (14:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
No, they did a good job. I guess.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
I don't know about taking their homer homersm Cats off,
but at least having some excitement for what the Broncos did.
I thought it caught the and Ryan pointed this out
during Kai Sports, but it kind of captures the differences
between the Denver market and the New York New York
market where they're getting ready to line up for the
next play and he's just naming off like five or
six Giants defenders he's.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Mad at for screwing up on the play that just finished. Yeah,
and they know a.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Point because it's not been talked about, is the defensive
collapse by the Giants in that game.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
That altitude, Man, it does you know.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
One thing we had been worried about was the Broncos
not being necessarily physically adjusted because they've spent two weeks
down at sea level between Philly and in London, and
meanwhile the Giants were operating on ten days rest. It's
you know, it's it's sort of it's interesting. It is
one of the one of the greatest comebacks of all time.
And whatever the reasons, all of the reasons as you
(15:30):
combine them.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
At the end of the day, it's a w on
the scoreboard. They can't take that away from you.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
And just the crazy win in so many ways, like, yes,
it's the unreal comeback, the zero zero, zero thirty three
things crazy, all the you know, DT signs or whatever
you want to call it.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
It is amazing. But then you just have.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
All these wacky moments like that back to back drives
ended with deflection touchdowns. I don't know if I've ever
seen that before in NFL history released as long as
I've been watching football, let alone all the other crazy
hijinks that happened in this game.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, it's it is certainly something. When we come back,
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