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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up? What's up, Steve?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
It's your world, man, it's your world, Steve said, your world.
He's paying rent to live in it. He's gonna be
a little light this month, just letting you know.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
That's okay. Yeah, I'm a little light now. Took a
little bit, a little oh man. We got a lot
to get to here.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I don't know if you guys saw the breaking news
Drake Green lost, suspension upheld everybody I think, I don't
think anybody is surprised by that.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
That's some bs. I'm gonna say it again, it is
not Do you know what happened? We'll talk about do
we know what it's said?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
It was?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
And foremost that's what I want to hear.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
We'll talk about he he suspension's upheld, and I am
not the least surprised.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Well, I'll say this when we think about the league
and fine and Steve, I don't know, if you've been
fined over your career, they never really overturned these.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
They never really do. Because I've been fine before.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
And I pleaded, my case went through the review process
and he still kept half of my money. Right, So,
in this particular situation involving an official, where officials have
been the negative narrative off season, along from penalties called
versus penalties not called, this is where the way that
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the league will back one of their own right once again,
I don't know what Drake Greenlaw said, and I would say,
even if he's told the ref, I'll beat you or
you know what, right, even if he said that, what
you would do is maybe find a player in that
particular situation. The one thing that I don't like, and
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Bean can tell me whether we've seen any information on
this yet, where you think about the official actually pushing
justin Srenard. Now, somebody brushed that off as oh that
was nothing. He was just moving him out the way. Nah, fam, he.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Pushed I saw, I saw. I saw that video too,
is it? It did well?
Speaker 5 (02:02):
He pushed them, He pushed them, But I mean he
was trying to navigate. He was a whole bunch of
guys coming in and he was just getting lost in
the shuffle. So, by the way, green Law was already
after greenout. I'm not even sure he saw the stern
odd thing. The comments that he made weren't related to it,
and okay, and he was already after the official before
you had already showed me where he was going in
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that direction.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Yeah, but he was not. He didn't get that close to.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Him where there could be an altercation. But if you
go back and watch the video itself, soon as Cherna
walks on and if if you really slow it down,
usc Chernad comes in, he pushed them and right out
of the pack, like like like a lion on on
the gazelle, here comes Drake Greenlaw. You could say that
maybe those two guys that passed history, or maybe it's
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kind of was born from what was happening in the
game that that day.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
You look on the ref's face, he looked like he
was a little surprised.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Who is this?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Oh yeah, I didn't even hear him it first. There
was the other referee that heard the first comments. There
was a second set of comments that.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
No, no ref, no other ref was there.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Sarah Thomas was like five yards in front of her
and she didn't even throw her flag. Now she she
turned around to pure back to see well what was
going on, and there was another official standing right there.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
There there were two guys who knew what he said.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
I want to know because to me, if I knew
what he said, that would somewhat change my mind and
maybe my outlook.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Well maybe situation. Maybe we don't know what Dre said. Well,
we definitely know what Russ said, Yes we do. Russell
Wilson got on Twitter. Have you seen this, Steve no
oh boy, oh boy shot fire man. Russell Wilson got
on Twitter and called out Sean Payton, Russ, Russ.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
You see an expression by that Steve just mate Russ
like it's it's shocked.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Russell Norman shots.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I know that's why everybody on Twitter was like, oh
my god, Russ said, and I'm quoting here, classless but
not surprised. Didn't realize you're still bounty hunting fifteen plus
years through the media. Got a sunglass emoji, a laughing emoji,
a hashtag Let's ride, and another laughing emoji.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
D Now, you shouldn't do that when you lose.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Well, okay, well, but Sean took a swipe at Russ
in his postgame press conference.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yes, oh I didn't hear that, Yeah, he said, he true.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Sean said that he was hoping that the Giants would
wait to turn to Jackson Dart until after their game
had passed.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Okay, I heard that, but I wouldn't sure. That's not
the first time that.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
One.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Wasn't that bad, Like, honestly, that's more of a compliment
to Dart than it is a swipe at Russ.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
But it's still a dig at Russ. But it's not
that bad.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
But when you add up all the other petty things
that show is done taking swipes at Rush, you're like,
you don't get the benefit of the doubt, dude, Like,
and why why are you doing this?
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Like why are you doing stuff?
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Why?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Why quit being petty like that? Go coach your team,
Quit quit doing that. Let's get some points in the
first three quarters of a game.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Before we do that. Bro, I don't think he would
intentionally call dude, he's done it before. It's it's there,
it's said.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Last year he was saying stuff like it's amazing when
you got a quarterback that can work, you know, like.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
He it's not the first time. Oh my goodness. Okay.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
So the way that I look at it is that
in any marriage, right that there's always a but not
not always, but in certain cases there could be a divorce.
And sometimes when there's a divorce, it can get really
ugly and it seemed as though this is still a divorce.
It's almost like love a scorn or X not getting
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over their ex and still.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Talking about them.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Let me tell you the way I took it, And
I don't know exactly what he said, but what I
got from what he was saying was that he was
he that Joe Jackson dot would actually play well, so
he didn't really want to see him until after this game,
not saying that he is. I don't think he was
said anything about Russ. It's just that he was just
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hoping that if he got a shot, it would be
after we played them.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, but the problem is that Shawn doesn't get the
benefit of the down because he sniped a Russ before.
And I'm like, bro, he hasn't been on your team
in two plus years, now, what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah, because I think when it when he first said it,
I kind of thought about it that way out, like no, no, no, yeah,
I'm like it may it may have just been a
dark compliment.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
I don't think it was. But you don't get that.
But he can't. He of all people, does not get
the benefit of the down.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
I'm thinking for me, don't even mince words in that way. Well,
obviously he didn't have to understand the history of the
two individuals.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
But does everyone reading more into it than it is. Well,
let's put it this way. It took Russell Wilson just
broke character. Yeah he did, you know what I mean. Yeah,
I've never seen Rust do anything like that, Like Russell
Wilson just broke character, and Russell.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Way So Russell, I mean like they Russ has had
this thing so poisoning him, like all this stuff poisoning
him for so long that he finally broke character and
said something about it.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
You gotta think about it. For a guy who was
criticized by local and national media for not being more
outspoken or not showing being real more venom like even
when you say real some of the reports and I
know this because I'm still behind some of them who
wanted they wanted Russ to come out and throw his
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teammates under the brus sort of like when you think
about what Tua Tongue of the Lord did telling his
truth in Miami, and I told him, I was like, well,
that's not Russ. And people criticized Russ for always trying
to stay on brand and the idea is that you
damn if you do your damn if you don't. If
your main who you are, people are going to criticize her.
If you're not who they want to to be, that
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they're still gonna criticize you. That's why this whole thing
was kind of out of character for him, because when Russ.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Was here, he never shot back.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
I mean, I go back to the game in Detroit
against the Lions where I mean Sean was just yelling
at him and russood there and he took it.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
He didn't say anything, and then.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
People were upset that Russ didn't clapped back. But now
people are upset but Russ Russ clapping back. No, you can't.
So the Mortar story is be who you are. And
for me it was good for the goose, is good
for the gander. And Ben and I always talk about this,
and Ben knows this because Ben it catches a lot
of strains on social media.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
It's like what you say, yes, I mean, I mean people.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
I need people with the energy, they need media show
up with the knife trying to take this swipe up me.
I'm gonna pull, I'm.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Gonna draw and take some shot.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
Well, Dennis was and like, okay, then may take strays,
but he's pulling out the bazookah.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Yeah, I don't right, I'm not subtle about it. Everybody
just won. But after that Ben knows, just.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Like I know, there's rules to the social media game.
In this media game, when you say things, you have
to be direct so other people don't take them out
of context.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
And then based on prior history, you could.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Lead people to inject their own opinions as far as
translating exactly. So you gotta keep it clean as possible
so there are no issues. But like Ben said, because
these two individuals have probably your history, that's the first thing.
Even you said, that's what you thought. So that's the
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first reaction that everyone that I've spoken to will hit
me up, like yo, did he just.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Like, nah, he wouldn't. Every I mean everybody was like,
that's some shade. He said, We're all in there shade.
I don't think. So I read it on in review.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
It may not be, but I promise you he does
not get the benefit of the doubt because he has
done it before.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah, people ad may not give M a benefit.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Of a doubt, but in this particular situation, I just do.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Not, but I think it's a straw that broke the
camel's back from Russ.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
You, okay, here is something that was posed to me
before we jumped on talking to someone in national media.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Do you think that Sean.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Still carries some kind of vitriol for Russ considering the
fact that Sean had so many great years with Drew Brees.
You look at the other quarterbacks that came after Teddy Bridgewater,
James Winston tays him hill, but then he gets Russ
with another veteran quarterback and he's not able to recreate
what he did with Drew Brees. That now that looks
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like a glip or a blit rather on Sean Payton's
legacy record.
Speaker 7 (10:54):
That now he looks at Roman, you screwed things up
for me. That may be part of that. I think
Sean Payton's I don't think he liked Russ to begin with.
I don't think he wanted Russell Wilson to begin with.
And I think he knew that he had to ride
through one year or that and was moving on. I
think his I think Sean Payton's disdain comes from Russ
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letting it out that they were trying to screw him
over with those guarantees.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Russ Lincoln about the guarantees, the injury guarantees.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
And that once again that was surprising because no one
would have known had Russ not to say anything. And
just so happens. I happened to be in the locker
room when it happened. Because the entire time Russ was
bench for Jared Stidham, right the two games, he didn't
say a word, he didn't take too many interviews, he
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didn't really do too much. But on that day he
surprised everyone and he spoke up and he spoke his truth.
And the one thing I like about it's good and
bad about today's society. Social media is good. Social media's bad.
It allows players now to report their own information, but
it also allows them to correct narratives that have been
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put out there negatively about them. Right right, So for me,
I wish both men can come together, because now the
voice has been finalized, they're in different places, come together
and just kind of why would they come together, well,
I mean come together and just kind.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Of down.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Pete Carroll squashed their beef.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
They've sent squashed their beef, you know, and all that
kind of stuff. But yeah, I think it is my
personal opinion, and I'll say it's it's not just a guess,
but it's not a hundred But I can't say this
is one hundred percent fact, but it's not just a guess.
That Sean Payton is upset that that got out in
public that they were trying to get him to adjust
his guarantees and all that kind of stuff, that he
felt like that was something he should have been kept in.
Speaker 8 (12:47):
Still holding on to that though, I'm with you on that.
I agree with you. We're in you know, we don't
have talked tough. We were in complete agreement about that.
I think some of the things they did to Russell
Wilson were underhanded fair, So let me do what I think.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
I think that there's a situation where two individuals don't, well,
a player and a coach don't have the same vision.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
And I think that, like you know.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
How much research Sean did on both Nicks before drafting him, Well,
he didn't have that luxury with Russ, okay, and Russ
being a veteran, he's who he is. That's like buying
the cars as is there. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
You know, it's not much you can change.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
But I think Sean wanted Russ's game to be different
than what it was, but it wasn't.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
But it wasn't at that particular point because russ Hold's
game was being able to manipulate the pocket by escaping right.
That was his biggest thing. And think about his fourth
quarter comebacks. All of that was part of the Russell
Wilson mystique. Was there some flaws to Russell's game, Absolutely,
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just like every single player has flaws. But when it
comes to coaching, the idea is that you look at
the player, what do we have? But you try to
change your scheme a little to fit that player, do
you not?
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I read one percent? Okay? However, there's another aspect.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
It's not just okay, we're putting these plays in. Are
you gonna run these plays? We're gonna practice them. It's
also the factor of how well do you get along,
how much do you respect one each other each other?
Because that dynamic is always there. Yes, it's a very
real dynamic. If there is a kind of a discord
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between the two people.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
It's gonna be tough. It's gonna be tough. I related
to marriage, if my wife and I have a problem.
You can walk around in the same building, but everyone don't.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Know there's energy. Yeah, everyone everyone knows that there is
a cential problem.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
But you know, we know something not right.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
And when you have that happens, and we talk about
the game of football, it has a way of manifesting
yourself in other ways where it not only hurts the
player and not only hurts the coach, it hurts the team.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
That's why.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
But that's part of the beauty of the NFL too.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
The teams who are able to do that well, they win,
and the ones.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
That they can't manage that is effectively, they seem.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Like they're always close. They're always so close.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
But that doesn't necessarily mean that everything where teams win
Super Bowls or making it the playoffs, everything is pieces
and creative. No, there are people who have disagreements and
it's spirited, but they know how to make those disagreements
kind of go to the wayside because the one thing
that's important is winning.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
The Seahawks found a way to do that with us.
They had those issues, they had those the Lobe well.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
But man, after after, I was like, all the teammates,
what are they talking about?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Uh, huh, like there were all kinds of stuff in
that locker room with you know. I mean, and Russ
isn't blameless by any means. He's been aloof, he's been arrogant,
he has pushed the button on certain things.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
He did start up, We've basically been a quarterback in
the NFL. Well, I mean, yes, I mean, let's be
totally honest what I like.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I'm not trying to absolt, completely absolve or defend Russ
per se. But I'm also saying, like, if I was Russman,
I'd have tweeted something sooner than this.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
I would have a grudge.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
If the fans out there knew how underhanded that situation
really was, I don't think they would be doing the
same things.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
And they're attacking him right now. Broncos fans, the rest
of the world's like, good.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
On Russ are finally speaking is truth Broncos.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Fans are laying into you know, and it's.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Even if they knew the information that you know, do
you think Broncos fans would even change their mind, because
I don't think they would, because as Steve grew, who
went to back to back, they changed a lot for
this organization expectations were elevated, and when you don't win,
you're looking for someone to blame, right, Yeah, so it
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doesn't make a difference. If you were to tell the
fans everything that you knew about the situation and what
went on.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Do you think they really would change their mind? I
would hope, so, I would hope that. I mean, you know,
you're probably right, Honestly, you're probably right. But I have
I guess I just have a faith in people that, like,
when they know all the information, they'll make informed, wise decisions.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
But I'm watching port the blast worthy.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
I don't believe I shouldn't because I watched him blast
the NFL for the Green Laws suspension, which guys, it's deserved. Okay, Well,
I just if you've ever taken my word on something,
take my word on this one. As far as the
as far as the rust thing goes, like, yeah, I
mean they tried to take it.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
They try to.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
They were trying to run him out of town. His
own coach was trying to run him out of town.
Let's try, tots, trying to trip him up and make
him look bad so he could get rid of him, right,
And he was trying.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
To get to.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Look bad.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
He wasn't getting game plans till the day, but there
was there was stuff that they were doing and changing
stuff like the day before and then handed it to
him last minute. I think there was all kinds of sneaky, snaky,
like I've never seen this.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Kind of stuff for me? What what? What did uh?
What Dick say? We just put play in yesterday? Yeah,
I'm just they maybe they may be a part of it. Okay,
let's try this. Fair a game for a game Blotan,
I'm like, oh, snap, guess what?
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Fair?
Speaker 1 (18:36):
All right? Totally fair.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Who's the first person that's gonna usually know when you're
making that change on offense?
Speaker 1 (18:41):
And who shouldn't be last? Yeah, you'll be told leave
it at that. We got to hit a break. We
come back.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
We'll get a little bit more of this. Listen, brockus
country night. You're o't gere a way A bunch of
different texts coming in here. Three or three Russ was
done thirty by the coach. Sean Payton used to.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Do some self reflection.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Do it, Rod said on how to get the team energized,
excited to win, let her o C start calling games.
Peyton's offensive plays are tired and predictable. Do you really
think that that would happen? Because I have to wait, wait, I.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Mean, did he let me finish the question?
Speaker 4 (19:22):
You know what? You say that because I'm gonna keep
it a bug at during the game in the first
three quarters, obviously I'm walking around fans seeming they know
who I am, so they're asking questions. And one of
those questions that that I didn't even ask. I just
kept walking. Will Sean give up play calling duties? And
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I wanted to say, Man, I don't think so. And
Ben is right, there's no reason that Sean Peyton will
give up play calling duties because if you if you
do that, I have to think in his mind, maybe
he feels as though he is somehow failed or he's
surrendering right, and maybe in his mind.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
But here's what we do know, and I think we
all can agree on this, no.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Matter how you feel about the situation, that the offense
has lacked a lot of rhythm, and especially you look
at this game in the first three quarters, there was
not a lot of rhythm. Now that rhythm changed in
the fourth quarter after the Justice Strona interception. But then
I noticed something that I have not seen this team
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do in the past couple of years that I was
overly excited about.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
They went up, they used tempo. I can't tell you, Steve,
I don't know what you call it. Six minute offense
forur minute offense, but it's a little bit there.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Like for whatever reason, when they start getting into that
tempo stuff, they stopped doing these stupid personnel rotate with
running the different personnel groups in and out and and
all that kind of stuff. They just start they getting
the guys getting a rhythm, they get they get comfortable,
you know.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
And I don't know why he keeps doing this.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
It is the most archaic way to play football with
all these kind of rotations. Like I mean, most offenses
hadn't done it since the nineties. Some teams still did
it in the early two thousands. Nobody does this anymore
the way they do it.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Let's just say, Champagne, say you were calling plays on Sunday,
which in all likelihood he was. Mylin question is, couldn't
we have done that sooner early in the process, Because
if the Broncos scoring as many points as they did
in the fourth quarter using tempo, if you start off
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that way, because I know most teams script their first
twenty plays or whatever they aboul to have boat raced.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Not just the Giants, the Eagles and everyone else for
that matter. This is three games in a row we've
had to have a fourth quarter comeback.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Yeah, yeah, we need to have a fourth quarter comeback
against Justin Fields and the Jets.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
They had negative ten net passing yards in that game.
That was crazy.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Yeah, and I know everyone celebrated, oh you know, fourth
quarter comeback. It's great because the Broncos did in fact win,
and you should celebrate that.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
But you want to get to a sooner.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Well, yeah, you want to get to a sooner, But
you can't continue to win games like this. I mean,
look at what's happening in Kansas City. Rashee Rice came back, right.
You look at Ceee Lamb team that the Broncos have
to play this week in Dallas Cowboys, Ceede Lamb came
back and he went ham right. So yeah, you're not
going to be able to do this against some other
teams that are deep and powerful from an offensive standpoint.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
But you know, Nick, you know how it is. You
two man. Yeah, you've been around football a long time.
Different games have different dynamics to it. You know, we
may come out next week against the Dallas Cowboys and
I'm hoping we do this and we hitting on all
cylinders we're at the previous game, you couldn't get anything
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onto the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Sometimes it's like that. We've had you played a game
like that.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Yeah, and listen, I've played in the Mike Shanahan offense
and things were not great. I played in the mic
or the Mike Shanahan team rather where we were playing
against Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Our office couldn't do anything and we got booled.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
That was the first time meet being a Broncos player
getting booged.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
But one thing I can say.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
About Mike and his offense, You're not going to see
the same struggles continue.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
He's going to change. Was just something up.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
He's going to make some adjustments and the way that
Mike works and the Sunday there were a couple of
guys standing next to me who played running back for
Mike Shanahan. The idea was that Mike's gonna run the
ball and he's gonna keep until you stop it, and
then when you stop it, he's gonna make another adjustment.
Another wrinkle off that same type of look, and that
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was the conversation.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
So not seeing that for guys who have played.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
And more importantly played for Mike, that was kind of
the mindset.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Well, here's we've seen what it looks like.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
We know what it looks like, we know what it
could look like under Sean Payton, So why would it
happen or the evolution of the offense now happened and
later in the fourth quarter instead of the first quarter,
second quarter, and third quarter.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
That's the only question that I'm asking. That's the only thing.
Are you gonna ask Shine at tomorrow? Wait, so just
think about it.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
If I asked Sean Payton that question tomorrow, you might
as well call him agent Smith and call me Neo.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
With all the VISU gonna be dodging, right, let's be
talking has been.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Come on, Steve, No, I would even put myself in
that situation to even ask that question. Big will though
Big would do it then would do it?
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I don't even go to those pressures more because it's
just like, look, look, I don't want my question cut off.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
In the middle of the look. Well, you know, because I.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Know how they got my question getting cut off halfway
through the question and then he answers a different question
like I'm just askeing that too many times. I'm like,
all right, I've seen this play. I don't need to
go back and see it again.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
It's not this anthem mouse trappers that could be a
new ending.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
And look, man, and all I'm saying is that there's
a lot of talent on this roster that could really
explode the Broncos offense in ways that we've never seen
around here in years. But it's in my mind, and
I'm giving to you from a defensive standpoint, I'm not
really seeing those things utilize in that particular way because
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when you look at the Giants game, you can see
coming out of the gate there were two different philosophies.
Brian Dable wanted to established to run, and they did that,
and they ran play action off of that. Broncos came
out and they went past Happy then they tried to
catch up, fell behind, and then had to throw more.
There's no reason that a quarterback like boy have to
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throw fifty times a game.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
That's wild. Not with this defense.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
No, I mean even with you know, and even with
this defense getting getting worked a little bit like they
did in this game.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
And that's but that's the thing though, I mean, some
games gonna be like that. The defense is not gonna
be able to bail you out every game.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
Noh saying they're not gonna be able to go out
and be dominant every single game.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
They're gonna be some teams.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
That, hey, they got our number, and that's when you're
gonna need the offense to step it up. So let's
not wait until the back half of the season, because
I can tell you right now, Kansas City's not gonna wait,
Dallas Cowboys not gonna wait. But like I saw, I
saw several of the guys over the to day, it's
better to have an ugly win than are pretty lost.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah, I'll take the double and Javonta.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
Williams, they got a little Williams got some juice.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
You got a juice back. They got a little high
octana and let it the tank man.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
If I say second in the NFL and rushing yards
second in the NFL and rushing touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Oh by the way, ceedee lambas back. They got George
Pickens over there, Ferguson. Could this be a shootout?
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Could we see the Broncos from the fourth quarter put
four quarters together and we see I don't know, and
the tune of a combined score grant on the over under.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Maybe a hundred points up that much. I mean, it's
not to say that we're not giving up. We're not
giving up this man, We're not.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
It's not the same that the Broncos defense can't stand
tall well, understanding and respecting your opponent and the fact
that they could score points because I can tell you
Sean Himer's thinking, Okay, Well, Brian Dabele went into Denver
with two rookies, Scatable and Jackson Dark and they had
a twenty six to eight league with six minutes remaining
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in the fourth quarter. We got Javonte, we got Jake Ferguson,
we got Dak Prescott, George Pickens, ceed Lamb.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
They have to be thinking, like, yo, there's some point
it's out there for us, And that would be the
wrong move to make.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
You know that, Nick, you can't go into place too confident.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
I know that's the wrong move to make, but I
can't say that I would disapprove if they thought that
way based on what we saw on.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Sunday, Well, we hope they do that.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
Hope they think that way, because many times when you
come in over cocky, over confident, you get shown.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
To do it well. You just set yourself up.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
And that's what happened with the Giants when Brian David
got a little cocky and stop running the ball.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
And that's how they lost. They could have just ran
the clock down. We don't absolutely take it. Thank you,
thank you, Brian Dable. We appreciate, yes, but let that
be a lesson on when you should run the ball.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
You know, don't put yourself in a position to where
you can give your don't you know, don't give the
opponent the opportunity that.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Don't help them out.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
You know, everybody's always talking about I love that he
was aggressive on their fourth down call. I love that
they were just run it. You know, if you got
to check the enemies of clock. It's the biggest thing
for me.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Two seconds left really quickly, was I guess when you
think about the ending of the game and when the
camera panned over to Brian Dabo, how pissed off he was.
It was at the highest level of pastivity. What do
you think you think he was mad at though you
should have mad at himself.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
That's it. That's on him. That's it now. Brian Burrs
is hot too. Your decision to throw it, Well, Brian
Burds was hot for a different reason.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
He was mad ats decoordinator there, Uh, what were the
Giants doing with drop eight coverage?
Speaker 1 (29:31):
And then in that said what were you thinking?
Speaker 4 (29:35):
I don't know what they were thinking, but I tell
you what, I'm glad they were thinking it, like you
ran drop eight.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Like, if there's thirty seconds, what are you doing? You're
giving him time all the time in the world to
throw drop Eight's fine.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
And if you're in your six minute defense and you're
you're you want to drop eight, keep it in front
of your web. Fine, But when you get to those
plays where you're under a minute, you got go after him,
go make a play.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
I've always had player, I've always hated the when they
thinking that.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
They're gonna smart the opposition and play that type of No,
you have to go after the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
You don't want to give it more time to find
an open receiver, right exactly, this is the time we
want to pressure them. You got to have somebody that
can cover two though. Well, I mean, if your pressure
gets there, all they do a news hold up for
a little bit. Yeah, put them an angel coverage.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Put an angel safety back there, have them back off
eight yards. If you want to keep it in front
of you, do it that way. Put your corners, put
take your corners, put the heels in eight eight.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
Yards up squatting angel safety back there, and then you
send it everybody out.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
You go, okay, you shut it off on this before
we get anything that's I guess over six yards you
jump in. Either either's gonna be an interception or they're
gonna double movie and it's gonna be exposed to play.
You rolling the dice anyway. So I rather to take
my chances going after the quarterback opposed to just sitting
back waiting for him to attack me.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
And you know who does it?
Speaker 3 (30:52):
You know what?
Speaker 1 (30:52):
The chiefs do that. What's happening all the time though,
what expect no put pressure? Yeah, yeah, situation that's coming.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
We never have time.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
The defenses do that. Todd Bowles does it. You know,
Michael McDonald does it. He did it when he was
in Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
You know, if the bad ones are the ones that
sit there, lets you let you Nickel and Diamond give
you the opportunity play save. Yeah, you know, I mean
you can you can drop eight. It's the last play
and they gotta throw a hail Mary. You can drop
eight thirty seconds like, thanks, thank you, I mean I'll
take it. Appreciate you stupid giants.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Excuse me.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
The Cowboys averaging thirty one point seven points per game
on offense, and that's been without ceedee lambing there, Broncos
only averaging twenty three to three. However, the Cowboys defense
give it up twenty nine point four. Bronco's only given
up eighteen point one. Well, this we're in this situation
now where we gotta go points on offense.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Yeah, we got to. That's that's gonna be the thing.
I think that's okay. We have to get a two
or three pick six on defense, we'll take that too.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Well, they don't have Jamis over there, so I don't
know if the Lord's going to deliver pick six on nothing.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
We gotta hit a break, Broncos country that bag into
this
What's up? What's up, Steve?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
It's your world, man, it's your world, Steve said, your world.
He's paying rent to live in it. He's gonna be
a little light this month, just letting you know.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
That's okay. Yeah, I'm a little light now. Took a
little bit, a little oh man. We got a lot
to get to here.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I don't know if you guys saw the breaking news
Drake Green lost, suspension upheld everybody I think, I don't
think anybody is surprised by that.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
That's some bs. I'm gonna say it again, it is
not Do you know what happened? We'll talk about do
we know what it's said?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
It was?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
And foremost that's what I want to hear.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
We'll talk about he he suspension's upheld, and I am
not the least surprised.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Well, I'll say this when we think about the league
and fine and Steve, I don't know, if you've been
fined over your career, they never really overturned these.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
They never really do. Because I've been fine before.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
And I pleaded, my case went through the review process
and he still kept half of my money. Right, So,
in this particular situation involving an official, where officials have
been the negative narrative off season, along from penalties called
versus penalties not called, this is where the way that
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the league will back one of their own right once again,
I don't know what Drake Greenlaw said, and I would say,
even if he's told the ref, I'll beat you or
you know what, right, even if he said that, what
you would do is maybe find a player in that
particular situation. The one thing that I don't like, and
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Bean can tell me whether we've seen any information on
this yet, where you think about the official actually pushing
justin Srenard. Now, somebody brushed that off as oh that
was nothing. He was just moving him out the way. Nah, fam, he.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Pushed I saw, I saw. I saw that video too,
is it? It did well?
Speaker 5 (02:02):
He pushed them, He pushed them, But I mean he
was trying to navigate. He was a whole bunch of
guys coming in and he was just getting lost in
the shuffle. So, by the way, green Law was already
after greenout. I'm not even sure he saw the stern
odd thing. The comments that he made weren't related to it,
and okay, and he was already after the official before
you had already showed me where he was going in
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that direction.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Yeah, but he was not. He didn't get that close to.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Him where there could be an altercation. But if you
go back and watch the video itself, soon as Cherna
walks on and if if you really slow it down,
usc Chernad comes in, he pushed them and right out
of the pack, like like like a lion on on
the gazelle, here comes Drake Greenlaw. You could say that
maybe those two guys that passed history, or maybe it's
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kind of was born from what was happening in the
game that that day.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
You look on the ref's face, he looked like he
was a little surprised.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Who is this?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Oh yeah, I didn't even hear him it first. There
was the other referee that heard the first comments. There
was a second set of comments that.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
No, no ref, no other ref was there.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Sarah Thomas was like five yards in front of her
and she didn't even throw her flag. Now she she
turned around to pure back to see well what was
going on, and there was another official standing right there.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
There there were two guys who knew what he said.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
I want to know because to me, if I knew
what he said, that would somewhat change my mind and
maybe my outlook.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Well maybe situation. Maybe we don't know what Dre said. Well,
we definitely know what Russ said, Yes we do. Russell
Wilson got on Twitter. Have you seen this, Steve no
oh boy, oh boy shot fire man. Russell Wilson got
on Twitter and called out Sean Payton, Russ, Russ.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
You see an expression by that Steve just mate Russ
like it's it's shocked.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Russell Norman shots.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I know that's why everybody on Twitter was like, oh
my god, Russ said, and I'm quoting here, classless but
not surprised. Didn't realize you're still bounty hunting fifteen plus
years through the media. Got a sunglass emoji, a laughing emoji,
a hashtag Let's ride, and another laughing emoji.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
D Now, you shouldn't do that when you lose.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Well, okay, well, but Sean took a swipe at Russ
in his postgame press conference.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yes, oh I didn't hear that, Yeah, he said, he true.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Sean said that he was hoping that the Giants would
wait to turn to Jackson Dart until after their game
had passed.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Okay, I heard that, but I wouldn't sure. That's not
the first time that.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
One.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Wasn't that bad, Like, honestly, that's more of a compliment
to Dart than it is a swipe at Russ.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
But it's still a dig at Russ. But it's not
that bad.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
But when you add up all the other petty things
that show is done taking swipes at Rush, you're like,
you don't get the benefit of the doubt, dude, Like,
and why why are you doing this?
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Like why are you doing stuff?
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Why?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Why quit being petty like that? Go coach your team,
Quit quit doing that. Let's get some points in the
first three quarters of a game.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Before we do that. Bro, I don't think he would
intentionally call dude, he's done it before. It's it's there,
it's said.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Last year he was saying stuff like it's amazing when
you got a quarterback that can work, you know, like.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
He it's not the first time. Oh my goodness. Okay.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
So the way that I look at it is that
in any marriage, right that there's always a but not
not always, but in certain cases there could be a divorce.
And sometimes when there's a divorce, it can get really
ugly and it seemed as though this is still a divorce.
It's almost like love a scorn or X not getting
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over their ex and still.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Talking about them.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Let me tell you the way I took it, And
I don't know exactly what he said, but what I
got from what he was saying was that he was
he that Joe Jackson dot would actually play well, so
he didn't really want to see him until after this game,
not saying that he is. I don't think he was
said anything about Russ. It's just that he was just
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hoping that if he got a shot, it would be
after we played them.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, but the problem is that Shawn doesn't get the
benefit of the down because he sniped a Russ before.
And I'm like, bro, he hasn't been on your team
in two plus years, now, what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah, because I think when it when he first said it,
I kind of thought about it that way out, like no, no, no, yeah,
I'm like it may it may have just been a
dark compliment.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
I don't think it was. But you don't get that.
But he can't. He of all people, does not get
the benefit of the down.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
I'm thinking for me, don't even mince words in that way. Well,
obviously he didn't have to understand the history of the
two individuals.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
But does everyone reading more into it than it is. Well,
let's put it this way. It took Russell Wilson just
broke character. Yeah he did, you know what I mean. Yeah,
I've never seen Rust do anything like that, Like Russell
Wilson just broke character, and Russell.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Way So Russell, I mean like they Russ has had
this thing so poisoning him, like all this stuff poisoning
him for so long that he finally broke character and
said something about it.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
You gotta think about it. For a guy who was
criticized by local and national media for not being more
outspoken or not showing being real more venom like even
when you say real some of the reports and I
know this because I'm still behind some of them who
wanted they wanted Russ to come out and throw his
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teammates under the brus sort of like when you think
about what Tua Tongue of the Lord did telling his
truth in Miami, and I told him, I was like, well,
that's not Russ. And people criticized Russ for always trying
to stay on brand and the idea is that you
damn if you do your damn if you don't. If
your main who you are, people are going to criticize her.
If you're not who they want to to be, that
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they're still gonna criticize you. That's why this whole thing
was kind of out of character for him, because when Russ.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Was here, he never shot back.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
I mean, I go back to the game in Detroit
against the Lions where I mean Sean was just yelling
at him and russood there and he took it.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
He didn't say anything, and then.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
People were upset that Russ didn't clapped back. But now
people are upset but Russ Russ clapping back. No, you can't.
So the Mortar story is be who you are. And
for me it was good for the goose, is good
for the gander. And Ben and I always talk about this,
and Ben knows this because Ben it catches a lot
of strains on social media.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
It's like what you say, yes, I mean, I mean people.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
I need people with the energy, they need media show
up with the knife trying to take this swipe up me.
I'm gonna pull, I'm.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Gonna draw and take some shot.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
Well, Dennis was and like, okay, then may take strays,
but he's pulling out the bazookah.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Yeah, I don't right, I'm not subtle about it. Everybody
just won. But after that Ben knows, just.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Like I know, there's rules to the social media game.
In this media game, when you say things, you have
to be direct so other people don't take them out
of context.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
And then based on prior history, you could.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Lead people to inject their own opinions as far as
translating exactly. So you gotta keep it clean as possible
so there are no issues. But like Ben said, because
these two individuals have probably your history, that's the first thing.
Even you said, that's what you thought. So that's the
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first reaction that everyone that I've spoken to will hit
me up, like yo, did he just.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Like, nah, he wouldn't. Every I mean everybody was like,
that's some shade. He said, We're all in there shade.
I don't think. So I read it on in review.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
It may not be, but I promise you he does
not get the benefit of the doubt because he has
done it before.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah, people ad may not give M a benefit.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Of a doubt, but in this particular situation, I just do.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Not, but I think it's a straw that broke the
camel's back from Russ.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
You, okay, here is something that was posed to me
before we jumped on talking to someone in national media.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Do you think that Sean.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Still carries some kind of vitriol for Russ considering the
fact that Sean had so many great years with Drew Brees.
You look at the other quarterbacks that came after Teddy Bridgewater,
James Winston tays him hill, but then he gets Russ
with another veteran quarterback and he's not able to recreate
what he did with Drew Brees. That now that looks
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like a glip or a blit rather on Sean Payton's
legacy record.
Speaker 7 (10:54):
That now he looks at Roman, you screwed things up
for me. That may be part of that. I think
Sean Payton's I don't think he liked Russ to begin with.
I don't think he wanted Russell Wilson to begin with.
And I think he knew that he had to ride
through one year or that and was moving on. I
think his I think Sean Payton's disdain comes from Russ
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letting it out that they were trying to screw him
over with those guarantees.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Russ Lincoln about the guarantees, the injury guarantees.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
And that once again that was surprising because no one
would have known had Russ not to say anything. And
just so happens. I happened to be in the locker
room when it happened. Because the entire time Russ was
bench for Jared Stidham, right the two games, he didn't
say a word, he didn't take too many interviews, he
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didn't really do too much. But on that day he
surprised everyone and he spoke up and he spoke his truth.
And the one thing I like about it's good and
bad about today's society. Social media is good. Social media's bad.
It allows players now to report their own information, but
it also allows them to correct narratives that have been
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put out there negatively about them. Right right, So for me,
I wish both men can come together, because now the
voice has been finalized, they're in different places, come together
and just kind of why would they come together, well,
I mean come together and just kind.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Of down.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Pete Carroll squashed their beef.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
They've sent squashed their beef, you know, and all that
kind of stuff. But yeah, I think it is my
personal opinion, and I'll say it's it's not just a guess,
but it's not a hundred But I can't say this
is one hundred percent fact, but it's not just a guess.
That Sean Payton is upset that that got out in
public that they were trying to get him to adjust
his guarantees and all that kind of stuff, that he
felt like that was something he should have been kept in.
Speaker 8 (12:47):
Still holding on to that though, I'm with you on that.
I agree with you. We're in you know, we don't
have talked tough. We were in complete agreement about that.
I think some of the things they did to Russell
Wilson were underhanded fair, So let me do what I think.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
I think that there's a situation where two individuals don't, well,
a player and a coach don't have the same vision.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
And I think that, like you know.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
How much research Sean did on both Nicks before drafting him, Well,
he didn't have that luxury with Russ, okay, and Russ
being a veteran, he's who he is. That's like buying
the cars as is there. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
You know, it's not much you can change.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
But I think Sean wanted Russ's game to be different
than what it was, but it wasn't.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
But it wasn't at that particular point because russ Hold's
game was being able to manipulate the pocket by escaping right.
That was his biggest thing. And think about his fourth
quarter comebacks. All of that was part of the Russell
Wilson mystique. Was there some flaws to Russell's game, Absolutely,
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just like every single player has flaws. But when it
comes to coaching, the idea is that you look at
the player, what do we have? But you try to
change your scheme a little to fit that player, do
you not?
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I read one percent? Okay? However, there's another aspect.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
It's not just okay, we're putting these plays in. Are
you gonna run these plays? We're gonna practice them. It's
also the factor of how well do you get along,
how much do you respect one each other each other?
Because that dynamic is always there. Yes, it's a very
real dynamic. If there is a kind of a discord
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between the two people.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
It's gonna be tough. It's gonna be tough. I related
to marriage, if my wife and I have a problem.
You can walk around in the same building, but everyone don't.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Know there's energy. Yeah, everyone everyone knows that there is
a cential problem.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
But you know, we know something not right.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
And when you have that happens, and we talk about
the game of football, it has a way of manifesting
yourself in other ways where it not only hurts the
player and not only hurts the coach, it hurts the team.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
That's why.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
But that's part of the beauty of the NFL too.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
The teams who are able to do that well, they win,
and the ones.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
That they can't manage that is effectively, they seem.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Like they're always close. They're always so close.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
But that doesn't necessarily mean that everything where teams win
Super Bowls or making it the playoffs, everything is pieces
and creative. No, there are people who have disagreements and
it's spirited, but they know how to make those disagreements
kind of go to the wayside because the one thing
that's important is winning.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
The Seahawks found a way to do that with us.
They had those issues, they had those the Lobe well.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
But man, after after, I was like, all the teammates,
what are they talking about?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Uh, huh, like there were all kinds of stuff in
that locker room with you know. I mean, and Russ
isn't blameless by any means. He's been aloof, he's been arrogant,
he has pushed the button on certain things.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
He did start up, We've basically been a quarterback in
the NFL. Well, I mean, yes, I mean, let's be
totally honest what I like.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I'm not trying to absolt, completely absolve or defend Russ
per se. But I'm also saying, like, if I was Russman,
I'd have tweeted something sooner than this.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
I would have a grudge.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
If the fans out there knew how underhanded that situation
really was, I don't think they would be doing the
same things.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
And they're attacking him right now. Broncos fans, the rest
of the world's like, good.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
On Russ are finally speaking is truth Broncos.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Fans are laying into you know, and it's.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Even if they knew the information that you know, do
you think Broncos fans would even change their mind, because
I don't think they would, because as Steve grew, who
went to back to back, they changed a lot for
this organization expectations were elevated, and when you don't win,
you're looking for someone to blame, right, Yeah, so it
(17:12):
doesn't make a difference. If you were to tell the
fans everything that you knew about the situation and what
went on.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Do you think they really would change their mind? I
would hope, so, I would hope that. I mean, you know,
you're probably right, Honestly, you're probably right. But I have
I guess I just have a faith in people that, like,
when they know all the information, they'll make informed, wise decisions.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
But I'm watching port the blast worthy.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
I don't believe I shouldn't because I watched him blast
the NFL for the Green Laws suspension, which guys, it's deserved. Okay, Well,
I just if you've ever taken my word on something,
take my word on this one. As far as the
as far as the rust thing goes, like, yeah, I
mean they tried to take it.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
They try to.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
They were trying to run him out of town. His
own coach was trying to run him out of town.
Let's try, tots, trying to trip him up and make
him look bad so he could get rid of him, right,
And he was trying.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
To get to.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Look bad.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
He wasn't getting game plans till the day, but there
was there was stuff that they were doing and changing
stuff like the day before and then handed it to
him last minute. I think there was all kinds of sneaky, snaky,
like I've never seen this.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Kind of stuff for me? What what? What did uh?
What Dick say? We just put play in yesterday? Yeah,
I'm just they maybe they may be a part of it. Okay,
let's try this. Fair a game for a game Blotan,
I'm like, oh, snap, guess what?
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Fair?
Speaker 1 (18:36):
All right? Totally fair.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Who's the first person that's gonna usually know when you're
making that change on offense?
Speaker 1 (18:41):
And who shouldn't be last? Yeah, you'll be told leave
it at that. We got to hit a break. We
come back.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
We'll get a little bit more of this. Listen, brockus
country night. You're o't gere a way A bunch of
different texts coming in here. Three or three Russ was
done thirty by the coach. Sean Payton used to.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Do some self reflection.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Do it, Rod said on how to get the team energized,
excited to win, let her o C start calling games.
Peyton's offensive plays are tired and predictable. Do you really
think that that would happen? Because I have to wait, wait, I.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Mean, did he let me finish the question?
Speaker 4 (19:22):
You know what? You say that because I'm gonna keep
it a bug at during the game in the first
three quarters, obviously I'm walking around fans seeming they know
who I am, so they're asking questions. And one of
those questions that that I didn't even ask. I just
kept walking. Will Sean give up play calling duties? And
(19:45):
I wanted to say, Man, I don't think so. And
Ben is right, there's no reason that Sean Peyton will
give up play calling duties because if you if you
do that, I have to think in his mind, maybe
he feels as though he is somehow failed or he's
surrendering right, and maybe in his mind.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
But here's what we do know, and I think we
all can agree on this, no.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Matter how you feel about the situation, that the offense
has lacked a lot of rhythm, and especially you look
at this game in the first three quarters, there was
not a lot of rhythm. Now that rhythm changed in
the fourth quarter after the Justice Strona interception. But then
I noticed something that I have not seen this team
(20:30):
do in the past couple of years that I was
overly excited about.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
They went up, they used tempo. I can't tell you, Steve,
I don't know what you call it. Six minute offense
forur minute offense, but it's a little bit there.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Like for whatever reason, when they start getting into that
tempo stuff, they stopped doing these stupid personnel rotate with
running the different personnel groups in and out and and
all that kind of stuff. They just start they getting
the guys getting a rhythm, they get they get comfortable,
you know.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
And I don't know why he keeps doing this.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
It is the most archaic way to play football with
all these kind of rotations. Like I mean, most offenses
hadn't done it since the nineties. Some teams still did
it in the early two thousands. Nobody does this anymore
the way they do it.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Let's just say, Champagne, say you were calling plays on Sunday,
which in all likelihood he was. Mylin question is, couldn't
we have done that sooner early in the process, Because
if the Broncos scoring as many points as they did
in the fourth quarter using tempo, if you start off
(21:36):
that way, because I know most teams script their first
twenty plays or whatever they aboul to have boat raced.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Not just the Giants, the Eagles and everyone else for
that matter. This is three games in a row we've
had to have a fourth quarter comeback.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Yeah, yeah, we need to have a fourth quarter comeback
against Justin Fields and the Jets.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
They had negative ten net passing yards in that game.
That was crazy.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Yeah, and I know everyone celebrated, oh you know, fourth
quarter comeback. It's great because the Broncos did in fact win,
and you should celebrate that.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
But you want to get to a sooner.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Well, yeah, you want to get to a sooner, But
you can't continue to win games like this. I mean,
look at what's happening in Kansas City. Rashee Rice came back, right.
You look at Ceee Lamb team that the Broncos have
to play this week in Dallas Cowboys, Ceede Lamb came
back and he went ham right. So yeah, you're not
going to be able to do this against some other
teams that are deep and powerful from an offensive standpoint.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
But you know, Nick, you know how it is. You
two man. Yeah, you've been around football a long time.
Different games have different dynamics to it. You know, we
may come out next week against the Dallas Cowboys and
I'm hoping we do this and we hitting on all
cylinders we're at the previous game, you couldn't get anything
(23:01):
onto the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Sometimes it's like that. We've had you played a game
like that.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Yeah, and listen, I've played in the Mike Shanahan offense
and things were not great. I played in the mic
or the Mike Shanahan team rather where we were playing
against Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Our office couldn't do anything and we got booled.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
That was the first time meet being a Broncos player
getting booged.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
But one thing I can say.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
About Mike and his offense, You're not going to see
the same struggles continue.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
He's going to change. Was just something up.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
He's going to make some adjustments and the way that
Mike works and the Sunday there were a couple of
guys standing next to me who played running back for
Mike Shanahan. The idea was that Mike's gonna run the
ball and he's gonna keep until you stop it, and
then when you stop it, he's gonna make another adjustment.
Another wrinkle off that same type of look, and that
(23:54):
was the conversation.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
So not seeing that for guys who have played.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
And more importantly played for Mike, that was kind of
the mindset.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Well, here's we've seen what it looks like.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
We know what it looks like, we know what it
could look like under Sean Payton, So why would it
happen or the evolution of the offense now happened and
later in the fourth quarter instead of the first quarter,
second quarter, and third quarter.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
That's the only question that I'm asking. That's the only thing.
Are you gonna ask Shine at tomorrow? Wait, so just
think about it.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
If I asked Sean Payton that question tomorrow, you might
as well call him agent Smith and call me Neo.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
With all the VISU gonna be dodging, right, let's be
talking has been.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Come on, Steve, No, I would even put myself in
that situation to even ask that question. Big will though
Big would do it then would do it?
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I don't even go to those pressures more because it's
just like, look, look, I don't want my question cut off.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
In the middle of the look. Well, you know, because I.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Know how they got my question getting cut off halfway
through the question and then he answers a different question
like I'm just askeing that too many times. I'm like,
all right, I've seen this play. I don't need to
go back and see it again.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
It's not this anthem mouse trappers that could be a
new ending.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
And look, man, and all I'm saying is that there's
a lot of talent on this roster that could really
explode the Broncos offense in ways that we've never seen
around here in years. But it's in my mind, and
I'm giving to you from a defensive standpoint, I'm not
really seeing those things utilize in that particular way because
(25:40):
when you look at the Giants game, you can see
coming out of the gate there were two different philosophies.
Brian Dable wanted to established to run, and they did that,
and they ran play action off of that. Broncos came
out and they went past Happy then they tried to
catch up, fell behind, and then had to throw more.
There's no reason that a quarterback like boy have to
(26:00):
throw fifty times a game.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
That's wild. Not with this defense.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
No, I mean even with you know, and even with
this defense getting getting worked a little bit like they
did in this game.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
And that's but that's the thing though, I mean, some
games gonna be like that. The defense is not gonna
be able to bail you out every game.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
Noh saying they're not gonna be able to go out
and be dominant every single game.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
They're gonna be some teams.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
That, hey, they got our number, and that's when you're
gonna need the offense to step it up. So let's
not wait until the back half of the season, because
I can tell you right now, Kansas City's not gonna wait,
Dallas Cowboys not gonna wait. But like I saw, I
saw several of the guys over the to day, it's
better to have an ugly win than are pretty lost.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah, I'll take the double and Javonta.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
Williams, they got a little Williams got some juice.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
You got a juice back. They got a little high
octana and let it the tank man.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
If I say second in the NFL and rushing yards
second in the NFL and rushing touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Oh by the way, ceedee lambas back. They got George
Pickens over there, Ferguson. Could this be a shootout?
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Could we see the Broncos from the fourth quarter put
four quarters together and we see I don't know, and
the tune of a combined score grant on the over under.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Maybe a hundred points up that much. I mean, it's
not to say that we're not giving up. We're not
giving up this man, We're not.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
It's not the same that the Broncos defense can't stand
tall well, understanding and respecting your opponent and the fact
that they could score points because I can tell you
Sean Himer's thinking, Okay, Well, Brian Dabele went into Denver
with two rookies, Scatable and Jackson Dark and they had
a twenty six to eight league with six minutes remaining
(27:49):
in the fourth quarter. We got Javonte, we got Jake Ferguson,
we got Dak Prescott, George Pickens, ceed Lamb.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
They have to be thinking, like, yo, there's some point
it's out there for us, And that would be the
wrong move to make.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
You know that, Nick, you can't go into place too confident.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
I know that's the wrong move to make, but I
can't say that I would disapprove if they thought that
way based on what we saw on.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Sunday, Well, we hope they do that.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
Hope they think that way, because many times when you
come in over cocky, over confident, you get shown.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
To do it well. You just set yourself up.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
And that's what happened with the Giants when Brian David
got a little cocky and stop running the ball.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
And that's how they lost. They could have just ran
the clock down. We don't absolutely take it. Thank you,
thank you, Brian Dable. We appreciate, yes, but let that
be a lesson on when you should run the ball.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
You know, don't put yourself in a position to where
you can give your don't you know, don't give the
opponent the opportunity that.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Don't help them out.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
You know, everybody's always talking about I love that he
was aggressive on their fourth down call. I love that
they were just run it. You know, if you got
to check the enemies of clock. It's the biggest thing
for me.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Two seconds left really quickly, was I guess when you
think about the ending of the game and when the
camera panned over to Brian Dabo, how pissed off he was.
It was at the highest level of pastivity. What do
you think you think he was mad at though you
should have mad at himself.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
That's it. That's on him. That's it now. Brian Burrs
is hot too. Your decision to throw it, Well, Brian
Burds was hot for a different reason.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
He was mad ats decoordinator there, Uh, what were the
Giants doing with drop eight coverage?
Speaker 1 (29:31):
And then in that said what were you thinking?
Speaker 4 (29:35):
I don't know what they were thinking, but I tell
you what, I'm glad they were thinking it, like you
ran drop eight.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Like, if there's thirty seconds, what are you doing? You're
giving him time all the time in the world to
throw drop Eight's fine.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
And if you're in your six minute defense and you're
you're you want to drop eight, keep it in front
of your web. Fine, But when you get to those
plays where you're under a minute, you got go after him,
go make a play.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
I've always had player, I've always hated the when they
thinking that.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
They're gonna smart the opposition and play that type of No,
you have to go after the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
You don't want to give it more time to find
an open receiver, right exactly, this is the time we
want to pressure them. You got to have somebody that
can cover two though. Well, I mean, if your pressure
gets there, all they do a news hold up for
a little bit. Yeah, put them an angel coverage.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Put an angel safety back there, have them back off
eight yards. If you want to keep it in front
of you, do it that way. Put your corners, put
take your corners, put the heels in eight eight.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
Yards up squatting angel safety back there, and then you
send it everybody out.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
You go, okay, you shut it off on this before
we get anything that's I guess over six yards you
jump in. Either either's gonna be an interception or they're
gonna double movie and it's gonna be exposed to play.
You rolling the dice anyway. So I rather to take
my chances going after the quarterback opposed to just sitting
back waiting for him to attack me.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
And you know who does it?
Speaker 3 (30:52):
You know what?
Speaker 1 (30:52):
The chiefs do that. What's happening all the time though,
what expect no put pressure? Yeah, yeah, situation that's coming.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
We never have time.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
The defenses do that. Todd Bowles does it. You know,
Michael McDonald does it. He did it when he was
in Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
You know, if the bad ones are the ones that
sit there, lets you let you Nickel and Diamond give
you the opportunity play save. Yeah, you know, I mean
you can you can drop eight. It's the last play
and they gotta throw a hail Mary. You can drop
eight thirty seconds like, thanks, thank you, I mean I'll
take it. Appreciate you stupid giants.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Excuse me.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
The Cowboys averaging thirty one point seven points per game
on offense, and that's been without ceedee lambing there, Broncos
only averaging twenty three to three. However, the Cowboys defense
give it up twenty nine point four. Bronco's only given
up eighteen point one. Well, this we're in this situation
now where we gotta go points on offense.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Yeah, we got to. That's that's gonna be the thing.
I think that's okay. We have to get a two
or three pick six on defense, we'll take that too.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Well, they don't have Jamis over there, so I don't
know if the Lord's going to deliver pick six on nothing.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
We gotta hit a break, Broncos country that bag into
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