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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Nine of it.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Oh, good evening, guys, and just me. You're a scatter
bow the kind of player you have to sports hate
unless he's on your team. That's from Noko Dan. Why
was you sports hate him because he's he's good, but
you have to hate him because he's on the other
you know, like there's some guys that are like that.
You have to hate him, you love to hate. Like
Pat Mahomes say, guy, right, you sports hate him?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I mean, would you would you say that he's on
the same Patrick Holmes loves a Reggie Miller.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
That was a Reggie Miller fan.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
If you're a Knicks fan, yeah right, I think maybe,
I mean maybe Scantaball is that dude. I don't think that,
like he hasn't he hasn't said anything or had that
public moment yet you know where you kind of have
to that he that he then backed up where you
have to like do that till.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Now you just just someone is hating just just for the.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Sake of hating.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Well, but it's more of a jealousy, like you're fan jealous.
Like I wish we had that dude because it was
on our team. It would be my listen before the drab,
that was one of the guys. And I know you
were talking about a Marion Hampton. Yeah, Mary Hampton was
my guy or mom, Yeah, I look, scantaba the only
the only knock I had is Sctaball. If we go
back to those segments we used to do, we ranked him.
(01:43):
The only knock I had on was like the dude
seeks out contact And I have no idea how long
that's gonna hold up.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
But in the world of football, you never know how long.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
I say that, and Amy Hampton is injured, still out
there right, how about Alex Singleton blowing him up on that? Yeah,
Well that's what I mean. That's the thing, like scatable
really only like two hundred ten pounds, like he's he's
actually not heavy. Okay, running back.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Now, let me toss this out.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
You go check the video hour broke it down at
Nick ferguson Underscore twenty five. I did point that out, Grant,
But here's something else to point out, right that there
were two holding calls on.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
That particular play.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
When Alex Singleton ran over Cam's cattable scatabul grabbed him
and pulled him to the ground. Then Brandon Jones was
blessing off the right side the tight end grabbed him too,
So you had official who was standing right there right
Neither one of those guys made the right call and
called the penalty. Luckily, I mean, Jessic Sernard got the
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interception and the rest is history.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
But that goes back to these.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Officials are in proposition to do their job and they
did not do that do their jobs. So I just
wanted to make take a moment to bring that up, Grant,
because you mentioned sensation of play that Alex Singleton may
just running right through the breastplate of Cam's ketible.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Yeah, and I think that game was officiated horribly for
both teams. I thought there were too many miss calls.
And I don't understand how Brad Allen, Like, how does
he still have a job. I mean, you go back
to his playoff mishaps and getting banned from being a
ref in the postseason because of miss calls, and this
guy's still getting games, Like I don't understand, Like, don't
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you have to have some sort of percentage or something
in the NFL of correct calls to continue to be
asked back to be an NFL referee, Like there's got
to be some sort of standard.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Well, it's supposed to be a standard, because let's like
you said, well, you don't officiate a game correctly, the
league has a way of punishing you, almost like demoting
you by not demoting you, not allowing you to have
those playoff games or even the Super Bowl. And I
don't know about you guys, but I think officials should
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be forced to do interviews just like players for their
contract after games, where they have to stand up in
front of the media in field questions.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Yeah, and I know that they like they will get
corrected by the league when they mess.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Up with Well, absolutely, I know that for sure.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Yeah, you gave me a little inside Baseball on that
last time we were on the show together. But it's
just like, I mean, time and time again, you see
the same mistakes from the same referees.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
It's time to make a change. Well, and this is
something I've railed on for a decade and a half.
The NFL uses part time officiating but pays them like
full time. They don't have a referee academy. There isn't
a week to week review process.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
It's the end of the.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Year, and it's just, I mean, it just it just stinks.
I also think the rule book is too dense. We
we've got to find a way to take some of
that off to make rules make sense and and and
also to where officials don't have to sit there and
adjudicate every play the to you know, kind of keep
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the keep the thing enforced, and go from there.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
We all nobody tunes in to see Sean hockey Ley,
nobody's tuning in to see Brad Allen. Right, so we
need to we need to One thing we need to
do is we've made it so that officials can adjudicate
every play. Let's let's find a way to strip the
rule book down and make it simpler.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I definitely agree with you, because there's too much.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Players don't know the rule on some of these things, and.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
It's too much verbious because even the fishs have to
confer with one another to make sure that they got
the information correctly.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
One of my favorite the hip drop tackle right, one
of my one of my favors over officiate like like
you had you you and I talked about it, Justin Simmons,
former All Pro safety sitting there on Twitter, like, tell
us how to tackle then, so.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
That we can teach it. It should be as easy
as one, two, three.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
And I know certain situations are a little more complicated
than other situations, but you know what it's like, Ben,
It's like playing for an offensive coordinator that has too
many plays.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
And because it's a smogus wartive plays.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
You can't differentiate the right from wrong, right, the top
from the bottom. And with these officials, once again, the
verbiage is is it gotta take a test? But the
verbiage is too much, right, It's like, let's minimize.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
In the streamlining because.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
We would be able to get through the games a
lot sooner and cleaner if the refs knew. And I'm
not saying that they don't know the rules. But once again,
the description it's sometimes it's so confusing even for them.
Let's just make it easy.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Well, how about like that double review and the Lions right,
and then yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Which which is?
Speaker 1 (06:47):
And then the sky judge. Remember the aa F, the
Alliance American Football that spring league get folded. They had
a sky judge.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
It was there, and you had a.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Camera on the guy as he reviewed the play, so
you could hear his thought process, very transparent, and he
would review and make sure that, Okay, that's not actually
passive or whatever the case may be, so you can
overrule some of these bad calls. And I don't know.
The NFL's in bed with wagering, you're in bed with
the sportsbooks.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
You can't have whoa.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
You can't whoa whoa whoa. No, you can't do that.
You have to do that.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
It don't have to be the pressure point to fix this,
because you can't have games decided by an individual's arbitrary
opinion down there on the field without a corrective review
process to get it right. When millions of dollars can
change hands on those calls.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
The whole country got a gambling Just me yes, but
once again it brings me back to the play against
Raley Moss, and I put something on social media because
I'm like, Okay, I don't understand. How is it that
in a Detroit Alliance in Kansas City game, when the
Fishes on the field did not make the call, they ruled.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
It a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
There were no flags there, there was nothing, And then
you get buzzed from New York saying, Okay, well, you
know what, that play is not a legal play, so
now we have to take the touchdown off.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
The board for the Detroit Alliance.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
But we can't have the same buzzing down when there
is a bad penalty call on a guy like Riley Moss.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Why can we not do that?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
I'm getting That's what I'm getting at. We need a
sky judge. You have a guy in the booth up
there who's sole job it is to review each and
every play when a penalty gets called, is to check
and make sure that penalty is correct.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
How much time is he going to be given to
be able to do because you know the league has
amount of time they got to get in and get out.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
You've got fifteen sec whatever it is, you got fifteen
second you got to have somebody who's you know, who's
got ADHD basically who can sit there and you know,
and do fast paced work like that over the course
of I mean, but that's your jap. You highly compensate
someone to do it. But it's entirely possible to do
train them up on the technology so they can hit
this stuff and go quick and try to get more
of these calls.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
See, I'm with you, and I don't make any wages
on any games, but with so many people making wages
on the game in so many sports books being involved,
and we got fantasy everything as it pertains in football,
I mean, would it be I mean, even if it
took some time, what it makes sense to make sure
the player is right, opposed to coming out a day
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after saying, well, you know what, we could have made
a better Yeah, we screwed that one up. And then
now let's just say if you happen if you are
a gambling guy to put a large sum of money
on a particular game and it's blown because of a miscall,
and only this thing that someone can tell you grant
(09:33):
was you know what, my bad dog, We'll get you
next time. No, I'm fifty grand in the home. Now,
someone may say, well, it's not our fault, we didn't
tell you to gamble. But it's like Neon flashing lights
everywhere with sports books. So everyone's kind of getting involved.
But we should get some of these plays correct. That's
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all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
The objective should be to get it right. That should
be the objective. So there's gotta be way. There's got
to be a mechanism that we can do a way
to do this better and figure these things out better.
Because we do. We have an abundance of bad fit.
It's not been officiating has deteriorated. It's just that we
have so many cameras that are in eight K. Now,
instead of looking at you know, instead of twenty years ago,
(10:17):
we're analog looking through a thirteen you know, an analog television.
On a thirteen inch television, you couldn't see it as clearly.
Now we can see it all a lot more clearly.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Right in my case, in my neighborhood, you got that
large floor model TV that's black and white.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah, you know, you know, the one thirty I think
was thirty inches deep. It came down to move you
just left.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
In the apartment.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
You're like, these guys enjoy this TV.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Half of the screens just blacked out.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
And I had one of those for a minute there,
like I had that one of those big right before
they went to flat screens. I had the last of
the huge, you know TVs or whatever we had. I
lived on a second floor apartment at the time. We
had to move that thing up there. I thought, I'm like,
I'm like, you know, in my early twenties, throwing my
back out trying to move that thing like it was
it was. It was the most wield the heaviest boat
anchor on the planet.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Hold on, grand did you use when you lost your antenna?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Did you use a wire modal?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Young for that?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
With with with with a lumina foil on it to
make sure you have the moved the game reception?
Speaker 4 (11:14):
My grandparents still had a TV Like okay, alright, too
young for that.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
We're the last generation, Like we're the last generation.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
I remember the big, big ass gvs. Yeah, but we
didn't have the no antenna's that my grandparents had it.
But they only had like four channels anyway, so it
didn't see this is great.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
For you, because my kids have no idea because like
when you lose the remote in my house, whatever whatever
channel the TV is on, because no one's gonna get
up and change. And I told I just I told
my kids, I say, there was once a time where
we actually had to get up from where we were
sitting to actually turn the dial.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
And they looked at me like, what was that?
Speaker 5 (11:55):
That was?
Speaker 1 (11:55):
That was my first job in my family that you
don't change that? Yeah, all right, trying to move and
now yet all spoiled you. You could download universal remote
apps on your phone if you lose a remote, just
change the channel that way. Hell half of them. You
can just yell at the TV and tell to change
the channel now with the voice activatet of technology exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
My kids called that the olden days.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Yeah, it used to be great, change the channel.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
And now it's like TV change back in the late
nineteen hundreds.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
See, that's you know what, It's funny you said that,
because that's exactly how my kids look at there was like,
what year was that, nineteen hundred?
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Right, these kids are asking him if he took a
stage coach.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
To the game.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah, dah, you know what it was like?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
What was it like riding the mind when your.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Playbook was delivered by Pody Express.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
Deliver someone's on her roofs top and the flippings like flipping. Dude,
they don't know what that means. I don't know about
the lookouts.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Oh, I don't know about that. I don't know about
get posted up at the apartment Quarner complex with the picture.
I don't know about that coming.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
That's exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
That's how my kids actually view, you know, anything that
happened in the eighties or the nineties. For them, it's
just like nineteen hundred or it could be like twelve
hundred BC or something like that.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
For them.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yeah, it's it's funny. It is funny. Like you talk,
you know, you talk to me, and they're like, I
remember a world without the internet, you know, remember a
world without cell phones to make plans and a world
without the internet.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
How about that slow dialogue dude?
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah, dog dog, Oh yeah, I did for that that
thirty six K Yeah great, great. You have to know
how how how good you have? You know how long
it took to download that one picture of Pamela Anderson
back and it took you like four hours? Yeah, one thing,
one picture. Everybody knows the picture I'm talking about you.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
You come back and it still says still downloaded.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
A printer. You're trying to print out a paper? Is
you typed up on there and take you two hours
to print out the paper?
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Oh, you guys have to dial up where it would
like you couldn't talk on the phone.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
And yeah, you have the computer that came you know
what more time because he was trying to go for
two hours trying to download one picture. Al messenger heading
up the girls listen.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
I went in the library last week with my kids
and we went to the library and he had this
machine and my kids looked at it like, Okay, what
kind of bizarre.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Machine is that?
Speaker 3 (14:28):
I said, well, that's for micro fish, right and teaching
a system.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
They were like what is that?
Speaker 3 (14:35):
And I was like, well, that was our version of
the Internet, because if you wanted to look up something,
you can go to the library and do it.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
And they were looking at me like, dude, you grew
up hard.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
They were like, in the day when you went back
to research your paper, did you have to escape from dragons?
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Like about that?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
We have to imagine exactly.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
It's just amazing how technology his is change.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
And talking to.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Gen z gen x now and telling them of the
certain things that we did not have at our disposal.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
It's it's comical. We'll ask Parker Gabriel about that. We
come back Broncos country tonight, said one nine says, remember
home phones, peppers, fiber remembers in my allies, let's see
two on three a AOL messenger was so gt out.
I felt like a boss talking to chicks on there.
Then class started.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Where he's talking in class.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I guess I don't know that's bold in that Aol mestener.
We're going to run right after the Chemic Cosser hotline
and bring on our guy, Parker Gabriel and Parker J.
Gabriel on Twitter covers the deveron Broncos for the Post. Parker,
how's it going, buddy, I'm doing great.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
How you guys doing.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (15:44):
No news today, man, nothing.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Nothing going on.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
It's a quiet players Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah, that's how it's going. I mean, my look, my
fantasy football team had a players only meeting and decided
to keep sucking. But you know, in the in the
real world though, and we've got uh. I think it
a surprise to nobody. The Drake Green Laws suspension was upheld.
We got Russell Wilson firing back at Sean Pate. Russell Wilson,
who never fires at anybody, firing back at Sean Payton.
(16:12):
I'll let you take a look at the buffet and
see where you want to start.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
Yeah, I guess with russ I just when I first thought,
I thought, there's no way this is real, for exactly
the reason that you outlined. Then he just never really
says anything, let alone anything spicy or controversial. And there
was only the one time, really when when he was
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in Denver, and it was after he got benched, and
you know, you didn't normally talk in the locker room
obviously when he's a starter. He only talked to the podium,
which is fine, that's how some quarterbacks are. And so
he the only time you ever talked was this sort
of odd back and forth that I I and Trey Rankreschi,
now whch in the Post, had with him about if
you wanted to talk about, you know, the allegations that
(16:58):
were out there about the Broncos and the contracts and
all that. And eventually he did, and he talked to
his locker he very straightforward, and that was really the
only time that he was anything other than you know,
mister neutral, mister unlimited, and so to see the spice
level today just with sort of mind boggling, even if
at the end of the day it's also you know,
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really like not all that important in the grand scheme
of things.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
So, Parga, when you stood there and heard Coach Payton
talk about Russ, well kind of alluded to Russ when
he was talking about John Maher and speaking to him.
I mean, what was your first inclination did you think
if he was taking shots at Russell or you just
thought it was just kind of a clean conversation and
another way to I guess validate Jackson Dart.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
No, I was taking a shot of Russ. I mean,
that's you know, it's not the first time, and I
don't you know, it's not usually well sometimes it is
about that over you know. I mean that just there's
been several times. It's not like a weekly currences at
this point, but there's been several times over the last
whatever eighteen months that he said something along those lines,
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you know, everything from he likes quarterbacks that don't get
sacked a lot rather than quarterbacks that do get sacked
a lot. I mean, that's just a fact, but it
also you know, it also implicates Russell Wilson, and there's
been all sorts of things over the last couple of years.
So yeah, I mean when I heard it, I was like, oh,
that's gone doing what he does sometimes and doing it
again at an obvious time because Russell Wilson was standing
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on the other sideline for a crazy game, So like, yeah, no,
I didn't think there was a lot of doubt about
about what the implication was. He was also complimenting Jackson Dart.
He just has a habit I think of sometimes pulling
Russell Wilson into moments where he really doesn't actually like
need to, so he goes a little bit obvious way
to do it.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
TiO with Parker Gabriel at Parker J. Gabriel. Let's pivot
here to the dre greenlaw stuff. I think we've all
seen at least one angle. There are several angles out
there on the green law thing. I don't know if
you have any initial context you want to provide, but
I certainly did not surprise me in the least that
the suspension was upheld.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
No me neither. I mean that, and if for no
other reason then, I mean, as you've sort.
Speaker 7 (19:11):
Of made clear I think on social.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Media, then like just you know, you can't do that
with an official everybody knows that. I thought it was possible,
not likely, but possible that because of the way, you.
Speaker 7 (19:24):
Know, there's some contact seemingly between Brad.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Allen and Justin Surnad, that maybe there would be some
mitigation thereon even if it wasn't malicious, which it clearly
didn't look like it was from Brad Allen like that,
there would be there's a misunderstanding, there's a lot of
commotion going on whatever, and Drake green Law you know,
reacted in the way you shouldn't have and that's a
big fine. But it's not suspension that that. I guess
(19:49):
I wouldn't have been shocked by that. But yeah, I
don't think it's a big surprise that it got upheld.
Those things, especially the one game. I think those, you know,
the arbitrators are typically pretty leary about you know, it's
not like you can go from three to one or
two to one or something like that. It's it's one
or zero, and it always seemed like it was going
to probably stay at one.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
So Parker, how was you, from your standpoint, explain the
fourth quarter and its entirety, and I don't know, maybe
you can sum it up in one word, or maybe
you can sum it up in a couple of words. Well,
how would you kind of break that down for someone
who's never seen the football game and explain to them
what you witnessed in that fourth quarter?
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Yeah, it was bananas. I mean, I guess that's like
the only is that that's like one word, right, bananas,
I wrote after the game, And I think this is
true that if you want an idea of how crazy
the fourth quarter was, the first two touchdowns of the
quarter were scored on ricochets, like ricochet completions, and that
doesn't really crack the top five craziest things that happened
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in the fourth quarter. So, I mean, it just you know,
it started in nutty fans with the tip drill to
Troy Franklin and then the tip drill the other way
to Seo Johnson, and then it just got crazier from there.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Talking with Parker Gabriel at Parker Jay Gabriel, the Broncos
offense continues to be stagnant through the first parts of game.
We needed fourth quarter comebacks the last three games. The
last time we didn't was when they were beating up
on Cincinnati. And to be honest with you, this has
been a fiend throughout this season. It's been for the
themes throughout Sean Payton's tenure with the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
This isn't a bo Knicks thing.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
I mean, Russell Wilson used to have the same thing.
They didn't do anything for three quarters and then all
of a sudden Russ would come alive in the fourth.
The Broncos are not going to be able to sustain
that and continue to win. And we've got a tougher
leg of the schedule coming up here with the exception
of maybe the two Raiders games. What can the Broncos
do to turn this thing around? Because to me, I'm like, Okay,
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we're not running it enough early, but not just running it,
running it with intent. I know this coaching staff used
the screen as an extension of the run game, but
it flat out hasn't worked. I don't want us to
to get to the point where we justify bad process
with a good result, and that sort of seems like
what's happening here since we squeaked by New York.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean, I think, you know,
it's interesting because Sean Payton, you know, said as much
after the game. It was bad. That's why he wasn't
in a great mood after you know, a euphoric win.
The players in the locker room were one way and
and rightly, so like you won a game you had
no business winning. That's worth celebrating for that night. But
I would imagine that yesterday and today the extent that
(22:32):
anyone what was around, but yesterday and tomorrow are just
not going to be a lot of fun. I mean,
it's gonna be there's there's gonna be a lot of
work to do. There is a lot of work to do.
I think, you know, it's funny because the conversation about
tempo and no huddle becomes sort of reductive at some point.
Sean you know, Stitt up there after the game and
(22:52):
I don't want to hear about up tempo. And yet
he's got a quarterback who says he likes.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
Playing fast, and you know, he sort of acknowledged.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
That bow plays well in those situations. So I think
they're still middle ground. You cannot play wide open all
the time, not in the NFL, like, you know, their
first possession of the game, they went three and out
and it took twenty two seconds. They had three possessions
in the first half. I think that were you know,
a minute fifteen or shorter. So you have to be
careful about playing too fast or playing recklessly from a
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tempo perspective.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
But I also think, you know, last year, it.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Was right about this time in the calendar week six,
they had to chase the Chargers through a fourth quarter
after they got beat up pretty good for the first
three quarters. They lost that game, and then they came
out against New Orleans on a short week and it
was urpo. It was you know, design quarterback run. It
was a lot more seemingly like a lot more tailored
to bow Nix. And I thought it was interesting that
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Peyton on Sunday Night said that the go ahead touchdown run,
the sort of like crack sweep that Mix ran in
from eighteen yards doubt was sort of out of that
New Orleans game plan last year. I just to me,
I think there's I wonder if we're at the start
of another round of sort of like consolidating around the
things that boat Mix is most comfortable with rather than
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trying to run the whole of the Sean Payton system
for the rest of the year.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Margan, just look at it ahead really quickly to the
game on Sunday. The Dallas Cowboys will be coming back
into town, and so will Javonte Williams. And right now,
statistically speaking, I mean, Davonte is having a better first
year with the Dallas Cowboys than he had with the
Denver Denver Broncos. What are you expecting to see from
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Javonte playing against his vaulted Broncos defense on Sunday.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
Yeah, I expect to see the you know, the Javante
of old kind of put your head down and try
to and try to, you know, run through somebody's He
did that obviously really well before the injury early in
his career. It's been great to see him, you know,
effective and running hard and all of that again this year.
You know, I don't I don't think that there's just
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I think it worked out for both. Like the Broncos
are obviously happy with JK. Dobbins. They've got their running
game at least a little more on track. Although you know,
the consistency and just kind of sticking with it and
having it be an identity that's still a work in
progress obviously, but yeah, it's been it's been cool to
see Javonte, you know, finally find that form again after
really you know, a full year coming back from the
(25:29):
knee injury and then two seasons is trying to find
find the legs and find the power again. So it's
a botent offense. Man, he's running well. Dak's obviously playing
at an incredibly high level. You've got Ceede Lamb and
George Pickens, You've got Jake ferguson a tight end. Like
it's just a It's an offense that can do a
lot and has a lot of weapons, and they'll be
(25:50):
a handful for for Denver Sefence.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Parker Gabriel and Parker J. Gabriel on Twitter, you mentioned JK.
Dobbinson here Broncos hit the ball. I believe twelve snaps
inside the five. Ran the ball one time. It was
that first down run from the five to the two,
and then we had the bizarre trick play for Garrett Bowles.
We had this same boot play we always run to
the right that they always do on third down, and
(26:14):
then we could just had to go for it on
fourth down with another screenplay that didn't work. Wait, is
Sean Payton gonna get it together and run the ball
inside the five?
Speaker 5 (26:23):
Yeah, they've been I think inside of ten. I don't
know if I have the numbers off hand. Inside the
five inside to ten, they've been basically fifty to fifty
run pass. You know, it's obviously a different game down there.
You've got to be able to just live with small
chunks of yards. Like you know, from the five to
the two is a good run in the red zone,
in the low red zone. So yeah, you'd like to
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see him stick stick with that a little bit more.
I know why teams do it, because it's hard to
run the football down there, and run game is the
expectation down there. But you almost wonder if if the
scales kind of flip now with the Bronco is of
like like you said, I mean, they've become you know,
relatively speaking, path heavy in the low red and so
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now you know, you might think that you'd be able
to punch it in a few times either with you know,
Nick's had the touchdown run from the six. I guess
it was but a little bit more of that. That
was a scramble, so a little more design, run, a
little bit more, you know, running back run if you're
going to hand the ball to Adam Prentiss inside the
five seems like a better time than third and ten
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or you know whatever. But yeah, it'll be interesting to
see kind of how what their plan is against, especially Againt,
the Dallas team that hasn't stopped to run at all
so far this year well past.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
There's been a lot of negative criticism of number twenty
one Roley Moss over the past couple of weeks, and
obviously we saw what I believe was an egregious pass
and affairs call on Roley Moss.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Do you think now teams are going to attack you more?
Speaker 3 (27:56):
But more importantly that the rafts are being told before
the games?
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Hey watch number twenty one.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
He has a tendency to do this or do that,
and that's going to bring more negativity towards rally.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Well, I mean, he just has a ton of attention anyways,
because of the nature of playing opposite of Patzertan and
and teams you know are going to test them a lot.
That's just that's just life. I you know, I know,
I know that there are fans out there that they
want to see Johnny barn or Chris Abram Drain or whatever.
It's like. I don't know exactly what that would look like,
but I don't think I don't think it's easy to
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put into perspective what life opposite patser Tan is really like,
just in terms of, you know, what it takes to
be targeted all the time, to know that teams are
coming after you, to know that the officials are watching you,
to play man as much as they're playing, and then
to have to sort of live through, you know, invariably
(28:52):
completions and stuff like that. I mean, he's got the
lowest completion percentage against of any cornerback, with more than
you know, thirty balls thrown his way so far this year. Obviously,
penalties are sort of a yap up to that. But
then you know, at the Broncos fan on the street,
if they think he's doing a good job, and they
might say no, and then ask him if they thought
it was past interference, and it'd probably be a more
(29:14):
colorful response and also a no. So I I think
he's doing a fine job. I think he's got a
really hard job. Uh And if nothing else, just watch
Bemani Jones' explanation of of what it means to be
Riley Moss in the NFL, and and and and that's
that might be where I fall on it.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
That was, that was a pretty good clip. Saw that
one today over there, and I courage everybody to check
that out. That was that was fascinating. Uh, Parker, we
got to uh we got a run. But uh, you're
looking at this game real quick this weekend. Contrasting styles
with Dallas's offense against Denver's defense.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Will you give the edge two?
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Yeah? I think. I mean it's obviously it's a great matchup.
I think Denver's defense will be motivated, uh after last week,
and I think Ertan and Ceedee Lamb and Riley Moss
and George Pickens. I mean that's just must must must
see television this weekend.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
I and do agree with you, Parker Gabriel, Parker J.
Gabriel on Twitter. Look forward to catching up with you out.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
There this week. Oh see you guys, all right, take.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Nine of it.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Oh, good evening, guys, and just me. You're a scatter
bow the kind of player you have to sports hate
unless he's on your team. That's from Noko Dan. Why
was you sports hate him because he's he's good, but
you have to hate him because he's on the other
you know, like there's some guys that are like that.
You have to hate him, you love to hate. Like
Pat Mahomes say, guy, right, you sports hate him?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I mean, would you would you say that he's on
the same Patrick Holmes loves a Reggie Miller.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
That was a Reggie Miller fan.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
If you're a Knicks fan, yeah right, I think maybe,
I mean maybe Scantaball is that dude. I don't think that,
like he hasn't he hasn't said anything or had that
public moment yet you know where you kind of have
to that he that he then backed up where you
have to like do that till.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Now you just just someone is hating just just for the.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Sake of hating.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Well, but it's more of a jealousy, like you're fan jealous.
Like I wish we had that dude because it was
on our team. It would be my listen before the drab,
that was one of the guys. And I know you
were talking about a Marion Hampton. Yeah, Mary Hampton was
my guy or mom, Yeah, I look, scantaba the only
the only knock I had is Sctaball. If we go
back to those segments we used to do, we ranked him.
(01:43):
The only knock I had on was like the dude
seeks out contact And I have no idea how long
that's gonna hold up.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
But in the world of football, you never know how long.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
I say that, and Amy Hampton is injured, still out
there right, how about Alex Singleton blowing him up on that? Yeah,
Well that's what I mean. That's the thing, like scatable
really only like two hundred ten pounds, like he's he's
actually not heavy. Okay, running back.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Now, let me toss this out.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
You go check the video hour broke it down at
Nick ferguson Underscore twenty five. I did point that out, Grant,
But here's something else to point out, right that there
were two holding calls on.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
That particular play.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
When Alex Singleton ran over Cam's cattable scatabul grabbed him
and pulled him to the ground. Then Brandon Jones was
blessing off the right side the tight end grabbed him too,
So you had official who was standing right there right
Neither one of those guys made the right call and
called the penalty. Luckily, I mean, Jessic Sernard got the
(02:43):
interception and the rest is history.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
But that goes back to these.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Officials are in proposition to do their job and they
did not do that do their jobs. So I just
wanted to make take a moment to bring that up, Grant,
because you mentioned sensation of play that Alex Singleton may
just running right through the breastplate of Cam's ketible.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Yeah, and I think that game was officiated horribly for
both teams. I thought there were too many miss calls.
And I don't understand how Brad Allen, Like, how does
he still have a job. I mean, you go back
to his playoff mishaps and getting banned from being a
ref in the postseason because of miss calls, and this
guy's still getting games, Like I don't understand, Like, don't
(03:27):
you have to have some sort of percentage or something
in the NFL of correct calls to continue to be
asked back to be an NFL referee, Like there's got
to be some sort of standard.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Well, it's supposed to be a standard, because let's like
you said, well, you don't officiate a game correctly, the
league has a way of punishing you, almost like demoting
you by not demoting you, not allowing you to have
those playoff games or even the Super Bowl. And I
don't know about you guys, but I think officials should
(04:01):
be forced to do interviews just like players for their
contract after games, where they have to stand up in
front of the media in field questions.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Yeah, and I know that they like they will get
corrected by the league when they mess.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Up with Well, absolutely, I know that for sure.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Yeah, you gave me a little inside Baseball on that
last time we were on the show together. But it's
just like, I mean, time and time again, you see
the same mistakes from the same referees.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
It's time to make a change. Well, and this is
something I've railed on for a decade and a half.
The NFL uses part time officiating but pays them like
full time. They don't have a referee academy. There isn't
a week to week review process.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
It's the end of the.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Year, and it's just, I mean, it just it just stinks.
I also think the rule book is too dense. We
we've got to find a way to take some of
that off to make rules make sense and and and
also to where officials don't have to sit there and
adjudicate every play the to you know, kind of keep
(05:01):
the keep the thing enforced, and go from there.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
We all nobody tunes in to see Sean hockey Ley,
nobody's tuning in to see Brad Allen. Right, so we
need to we need to One thing we need to
do is we've made it so that officials can adjudicate
every play. Let's let's find a way to strip the
rule book down and make it simpler.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I definitely agree with you, because there's too much.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Players don't know the rule on some of these things, and.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
It's too much verbious because even the fishs have to
confer with one another to make sure that they got
the information correctly.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
One of my favorite the hip drop tackle right, one
of my one of my favors over officiate like like
you had you you and I talked about it, Justin Simmons,
former All Pro safety sitting there on Twitter, like, tell
us how to tackle then, so.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
That we can teach it. It should be as easy
as one, two, three.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
And I know certain situations are a little more complicated
than other situations, but you know what it's like, Ben,
It's like playing for an offensive coordinator that has too
many plays.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
And because it's a smogus wartive plays.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
You can't differentiate the right from wrong, right, the top
from the bottom. And with these officials, once again, the
verbiage is is it gotta take a test? But the
verbiage is too much, right, It's like, let's minimize.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
In the streamlining because.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
We would be able to get through the games a
lot sooner and cleaner if the refs knew. And I'm
not saying that they don't know the rules. But once again,
the description it's sometimes it's so confusing even for them.
Let's just make it easy.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Well, how about like that double review and the Lions right,
and then yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Which which is?
Speaker 1 (06:47):
And then the sky judge. Remember the aa F, the
Alliance American Football that spring league get folded. They had
a sky judge.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
It was there, and you had a.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Camera on the guy as he reviewed the play, so
you could hear his thought process, very transparent, and he
would review and make sure that, Okay, that's not actually
passive or whatever the case may be, so you can
overrule some of these bad calls. And I don't know.
The NFL's in bed with wagering, you're in bed with
the sportsbooks.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
You can't have whoa.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
You can't whoa whoa whoa. No, you can't do that.
You have to do that.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
It don't have to be the pressure point to fix this,
because you can't have games decided by an individual's arbitrary
opinion down there on the field without a corrective review
process to get it right. When millions of dollars can
change hands on those calls.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
The whole country got a gambling Just me yes, but
once again it brings me back to the play against
Raley Moss, and I put something on social media because
I'm like, Okay, I don't understand. How is it that
in a Detroit Alliance in Kansas City game, when the
Fishes on the field did not make the call, they ruled.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
It a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
There were no flags there, there was nothing, And then
you get buzzed from New York saying, Okay, well, you
know what, that play is not a legal play, so
now we have to take the touchdown off.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
The board for the Detroit Alliance.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
But we can't have the same buzzing down when there
is a bad penalty call on a guy like Riley Moss.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Why can we not do that?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
I'm getting That's what I'm getting at. We need a
sky judge. You have a guy in the booth up
there who's sole job it is to review each and
every play when a penalty gets called, is to check
and make sure that penalty is correct.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
How much time is he going to be given to
be able to do because you know the league has
amount of time they got to get in and get out.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
You've got fifteen sec whatever it is, you got fifteen
second you got to have somebody who's you know, who's
got ADHD basically who can sit there and you know,
and do fast paced work like that over the course
of I mean, but that's your jap. You highly compensate
someone to do it. But it's entirely possible to do
train them up on the technology so they can hit
this stuff and go quick and try to get more
of these calls.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
See, I'm with you, and I don't make any wages
on any games, but with so many people making wages
on the game in so many sports books being involved,
and we got fantasy everything as it pertains in football,
I mean, would it be I mean, even if it
took some time, what it makes sense to make sure
the player is right, opposed to coming out a day
(09:13):
after saying, well, you know what, we could have made
a better Yeah, we screwed that one up. And then
now let's just say if you happen if you are
a gambling guy to put a large sum of money
on a particular game and it's blown because of a miscall,
and only this thing that someone can tell you grant
(09:33):
was you know what, my bad dog, We'll get you
next time. No, I'm fifty grand in the home. Now,
someone may say, well, it's not our fault, we didn't
tell you to gamble. But it's like Neon flashing lights
everywhere with sports books. So everyone's kind of getting involved.
But we should get some of these plays correct. That's
(09:54):
all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
The objective should be to get it right. That should
be the objective. So there's gotta be way. There's got
to be a mechanism that we can do a way
to do this better and figure these things out better.
Because we do. We have an abundance of bad fit.
It's not been officiating has deteriorated. It's just that we
have so many cameras that are in eight K. Now,
instead of looking at you know, instead of twenty years ago,
(10:17):
we're analog looking through a thirteen you know, an analog television.
On a thirteen inch television, you couldn't see it as clearly.
Now we can see it all a lot more clearly.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Right in my case, in my neighborhood, you got that
large floor model TV that's black and white.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah, you know, you know, the one thirty I think
was thirty inches deep. It came down to move you
just left.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
In the apartment.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
You're like, these guys enjoy this TV.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Half of the screens just blacked out.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
And I had one of those for a minute there,
like I had that one of those big right before
they went to flat screens. I had the last of
the huge, you know TVs or whatever we had. I
lived on a second floor apartment at the time. We
had to move that thing up there. I thought, I'm like,
I'm like, you know, in my early twenties, throwing my
back out trying to move that thing like it was
it was. It was the most wield the heaviest boat
anchor on the planet.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Hold on, grand did you use when you lost your antenna?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Did you use a wire modal?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Young for that?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
With with with with a lumina foil on it to
make sure you have the moved the game reception?
Speaker 4 (11:14):
My grandparents still had a TV Like okay, alright, too
young for that.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
We're the last generation, Like we're the last generation.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
I remember the big, big ass gvs. Yeah, but we
didn't have the no antenna's that my grandparents had it.
But they only had like four channels anyway, so it
didn't see this is great.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
For you, because my kids have no idea because like
when you lose the remote in my house, whatever whatever
channel the TV is on, because no one's gonna get
up and change. And I told I just I told
my kids, I say, there was once a time where
we actually had to get up from where we were
sitting to actually turn the dial.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
And they looked at me like, what was that?
Speaker 5 (11:55):
That was?
Speaker 1 (11:55):
That was my first job in my family that you
don't change that? Yeah, all right, trying to move and
now yet all spoiled you. You could download universal remote
apps on your phone if you lose a remote, just
change the channel that way. Hell half of them. You
can just yell at the TV and tell to change
the channel now with the voice activatet of technology exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
My kids called that the olden days.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Yeah, it used to be great, change the channel.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
And now it's like TV change back in the late
nineteen hundreds.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
See, that's you know what, It's funny you said that,
because that's exactly how my kids look at there was like,
what year was that, nineteen hundred?
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Right, these kids are asking him if he took a
stage coach.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
To the game.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah, dah, you know what it was like?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
What was it like riding the mind when your.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Playbook was delivered by Pody Express.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
Deliver someone's on her roofs top and the flippings like flipping. Dude,
they don't know what that means. I don't know about
the lookouts.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Oh, I don't know about that. I don't know about
get posted up at the apartment Quarner complex with the picture.
I don't know about that coming.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
That's exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
That's how my kids actually view, you know, anything that
happened in the eighties or the nineties. For them, it's
just like nineteen hundred or it could be like twelve
hundred BC or something like that.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
For them.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yeah, it's it's funny. It is funny. Like you talk,
you know, you talk to me, and they're like, I
remember a world without the internet, you know, remember a
world without cell phones to make plans and a world
without the internet.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
How about that slow dialogue dude?
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah, dog dog, Oh yeah, I did for that that
thirty six K Yeah great, great. You have to know
how how how good you have? You know how long
it took to download that one picture of Pamela Anderson
back and it took you like four hours? Yeah, one thing,
one picture. Everybody knows the picture I'm talking about you.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
You come back and it still says still downloaded.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
A printer. You're trying to print out a paper? Is
you typed up on there and take you two hours
to print out the paper?
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Oh, you guys have to dial up where it would
like you couldn't talk on the phone.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
And yeah, you have the computer that came you know
what more time because he was trying to go for
two hours trying to download one picture. Al messenger heading
up the girls listen.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
I went in the library last week with my kids
and we went to the library and he had this
machine and my kids looked at it like, Okay, what
kind of bizarre.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Machine is that?
Speaker 3 (14:28):
I said, well, that's for micro fish, right and teaching
a system.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
They were like what is that?
Speaker 3 (14:35):
And I was like, well, that was our version of
the Internet, because if you wanted to look up something,
you can go to the library and do it.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
And they were looking at me like, dude, you grew
up hard.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
They were like, in the day when you went back
to research your paper, did you have to escape from dragons?
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Like about that?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
We have to imagine exactly.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
It's just amazing how technology his is change.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
And talking to.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Gen z gen x now and telling them of the
certain things that we did not have at our disposal.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
It's it's comical. We'll ask Parker Gabriel about that. We
come back Broncos country tonight, said one nine says, remember
home phones, peppers, fiber remembers in my allies, let's see
two on three a AOL messenger was so gt out.
I felt like a boss talking to chicks on there.
Then class started.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Where he's talking in class.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I guess I don't know that's bold in that Aol mestener.
We're going to run right after the Chemic Cosser hotline
and bring on our guy, Parker Gabriel and Parker J.
Gabriel on Twitter covers the deveron Broncos for the Post. Parker,
how's it going, buddy, I'm doing great.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
How you guys doing.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (15:44):
No news today, man, nothing.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Nothing going on.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
It's a quiet players Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah, that's how it's going. I mean, my look, my
fantasy football team had a players only meeting and decided
to keep sucking. But you know, in the in the
real world though, and we've got uh. I think it
a surprise to nobody. The Drake Green Laws suspension was upheld.
We got Russell Wilson firing back at Sean Pate. Russell Wilson,
who never fires at anybody, firing back at Sean Payton.
(16:12):
I'll let you take a look at the buffet and
see where you want to start.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
Yeah, I guess with russ I just when I first thought,
I thought, there's no way this is real, for exactly
the reason that you outlined. Then he just never really
says anything, let alone anything spicy or controversial. And there
was only the one time, really when when he was
(16:38):
in Denver, and it was after he got benched, and
you know, you didn't normally talk in the locker room
obviously when he's a starter. He only talked to the podium,
which is fine, that's how some quarterbacks are. And so
he the only time you ever talked was this sort
of odd back and forth that I I and Trey Rankreschi,
now whch in the Post, had with him about if
you wanted to talk about, you know, the allegations that
(16:58):
were out there about the Broncos and the contracts and
all that. And eventually he did, and he talked to
his locker he very straightforward, and that was really the
only time that he was anything other than you know,
mister neutral, mister unlimited, and so to see the spice
level today just with sort of mind boggling, even if
at the end of the day it's also you know,
(17:18):
really like not all that important in the grand scheme
of things.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
So, Parga, when you stood there and heard Coach Payton
talk about Russ, well kind of alluded to Russ when
he was talking about John Maher and speaking to him.
I mean, what was your first inclination did you think
if he was taking shots at Russell or you just
thought it was just kind of a clean conversation and
another way to I guess validate Jackson Dart.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
No, I was taking a shot of Russ. I mean,
that's you know, it's not the first time, and I
don't you know, it's not usually well sometimes it is
about that over you know. I mean that just there's
been several times. It's not like a weekly currences at
this point, but there's been several times over the last
whatever eighteen months that he said something along those lines,
(18:07):
you know, everything from he likes quarterbacks that don't get
sacked a lot rather than quarterbacks that do get sacked
a lot. I mean, that's just a fact, but it
also you know, it also implicates Russell Wilson, and there's
been all sorts of things over the last couple of years.
So yeah, I mean when I heard it, I was like, oh,
that's gone doing what he does sometimes and doing it
again at an obvious time because Russell Wilson was standing
(18:29):
on the other sideline for a crazy game, So like, yeah, no,
I didn't think there was a lot of doubt about
about what the implication was. He was also complimenting Jackson Dart.
He just has a habit I think of sometimes pulling
Russell Wilson into moments where he really doesn't actually like
need to, so he goes a little bit obvious way
to do it.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
TiO with Parker Gabriel at Parker J. Gabriel. Let's pivot
here to the dre greenlaw stuff. I think we've all
seen at least one angle. There are several angles out
there on the green law thing. I don't know if
you have any initial context you want to provide, but
I certainly did not surprise me in the least that
the suspension was upheld.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
No me neither. I mean that, and if for no
other reason then, I mean, as you've sort.
Speaker 7 (19:11):
Of made clear I think on social.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Media, then like just you know, you can't do that
with an official everybody knows that. I thought it was possible,
not likely, but possible that because of the way, you.
Speaker 7 (19:24):
Know, there's some contact seemingly between Brad.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Allen and Justin Surnad, that maybe there would be some
mitigation thereon even if it wasn't malicious, which it clearly
didn't look like it was from Brad Allen like that,
there would be there's a misunderstanding, there's a lot of
commotion going on whatever, and Drake green Law you know,
reacted in the way you shouldn't have and that's a
big fine. But it's not suspension that that. I guess
(19:49):
I wouldn't have been shocked by that. But yeah, I
don't think it's a big surprise that it got upheld.
Those things, especially the one game. I think those, you know,
the arbitrators are typically pretty leary about you know, it's
not like you can go from three to one or
two to one or something like that. It's it's one
or zero, and it always seemed like it was going
to probably stay at one.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
So Parker, how was you, from your standpoint, explain the
fourth quarter and its entirety, and I don't know, maybe
you can sum it up in one word, or maybe
you can sum it up in a couple of words. Well,
how would you kind of break that down for someone
who's never seen the football game and explain to them
what you witnessed in that fourth quarter?
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Yeah, it was bananas. I mean, I guess that's like
the only is that that's like one word, right, bananas,
I wrote after the game, And I think this is
true that if you want an idea of how crazy
the fourth quarter was, the first two touchdowns of the
quarter were scored on ricochets, like ricochet completions, and that
doesn't really crack the top five craziest things that happened
(20:55):
in the fourth quarter. So, I mean, it just you know,
it started in nutty fans with the tip drill to
Troy Franklin and then the tip drill the other way
to Seo Johnson, and then it just got crazier from there.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Talking with Parker Gabriel at Parker Jay Gabriel, the Broncos
offense continues to be stagnant through the first parts of game.
We needed fourth quarter comebacks the last three games. The
last time we didn't was when they were beating up
on Cincinnati. And to be honest with you, this has
been a fiend throughout this season. It's been for the
themes throughout Sean Payton's tenure with the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
This isn't a bo Knicks thing.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
I mean, Russell Wilson used to have the same thing.
They didn't do anything for three quarters and then all
of a sudden Russ would come alive in the fourth.
The Broncos are not going to be able to sustain
that and continue to win. And we've got a tougher
leg of the schedule coming up here with the exception
of maybe the two Raiders games. What can the Broncos
do to turn this thing around? Because to me, I'm like, Okay,
(21:49):
we're not running it enough early, but not just running it,
running it with intent. I know this coaching staff used
the screen as an extension of the run game, but
it flat out hasn't worked. I don't want us to
to get to the point where we justify bad process
with a good result, and that sort of seems like
what's happening here since we squeaked by New York.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean, I think, you know,
it's interesting because Sean Payton, you know, said as much
after the game. It was bad. That's why he wasn't
in a great mood after you know, a euphoric win.
The players in the locker room were one way and
and rightly, so like you won a game you had
no business winning. That's worth celebrating for that night. But
I would imagine that yesterday and today the extent that
(22:32):
anyone what was around, but yesterday and tomorrow are just
not going to be a lot of fun. I mean,
it's gonna be there's there's gonna be a lot of
work to do. There is a lot of work to do.
I think, you know, it's funny because the conversation about
tempo and no huddle becomes sort of reductive at some point.
Sean you know, Stitt up there after the game and
(22:52):
I don't want to hear about up tempo. And yet
he's got a quarterback who says he likes.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
Playing fast, and you know, he sort of acknowledged.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
That bow plays well in those situations. So I think
they're still middle ground. You cannot play wide open all
the time, not in the NFL, like, you know, their
first possession of the game, they went three and out
and it took twenty two seconds. They had three possessions
in the first half. I think that were you know,
a minute fifteen or shorter. So you have to be
careful about playing too fast or playing recklessly from a
(23:25):
tempo perspective.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
But I also think, you know, last year, it.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Was right about this time in the calendar week six,
they had to chase the Chargers through a fourth quarter
after they got beat up pretty good for the first
three quarters. They lost that game, and then they came
out against New Orleans on a short week and it
was urpo. It was you know, design quarterback run. It
was a lot more seemingly like a lot more tailored
to bow Nix. And I thought it was interesting that
(23:51):
Peyton on Sunday Night said that the go ahead touchdown run,
the sort of like crack sweep that Mix ran in
from eighteen yards doubt was sort of out of that
New Orleans game plan last year. I just to me,
I think there's I wonder if we're at the start
of another round of sort of like consolidating around the
things that boat Mix is most comfortable with rather than
(24:14):
trying to run the whole of the Sean Payton system
for the rest of the year.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Margan, just look at it ahead really quickly to the
game on Sunday. The Dallas Cowboys will be coming back
into town, and so will Javonte Williams. And right now,
statistically speaking, I mean, Davonte is having a better first
year with the Dallas Cowboys than he had with the
Denver Denver Broncos. What are you expecting to see from
(24:42):
Javonte playing against his vaulted Broncos defense on Sunday.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
Yeah, I expect to see the you know, the Javante
of old kind of put your head down and try
to and try to, you know, run through somebody's He
did that obviously really well before the injury early in
his career. It's been great to see him, you know,
effective and running hard and all of that again this year.
You know, I don't I don't think that there's just
(25:07):
I think it worked out for both. Like the Broncos
are obviously happy with JK. Dobbins. They've got their running
game at least a little more on track. Although you know,
the consistency and just kind of sticking with it and
having it be an identity that's still a work in
progress obviously, but yeah, it's been it's been cool to
see Javonte, you know, finally find that form again after
really you know, a full year coming back from the
(25:29):
knee injury and then two seasons is trying to find
find the legs and find the power again. So it's
a botent offense. Man, he's running well. Dak's obviously playing
at an incredibly high level. You've got Ceede Lamb and
George Pickens, You've got Jake ferguson a tight end. Like
it's just a It's an offense that can do a
lot and has a lot of weapons, and they'll be
(25:50):
a handful for for Denver Sefence.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Parker Gabriel and Parker J. Gabriel on Twitter, you mentioned JK.
Dobbinson here Broncos hit the ball. I believe twelve snaps
inside the five. Ran the ball one time. It was
that first down run from the five to the two,
and then we had the bizarre trick play for Garrett Bowles.
We had this same boot play we always run to
the right that they always do on third down, and
(26:14):
then we could just had to go for it on
fourth down with another screenplay that didn't work. Wait, is
Sean Payton gonna get it together and run the ball
inside the five?
Speaker 5 (26:23):
Yeah, they've been I think inside of ten. I don't
know if I have the numbers off hand. Inside the
five inside to ten, they've been basically fifty to fifty
run pass. You know, it's obviously a different game down there.
You've got to be able to just live with small
chunks of yards. Like you know, from the five to
the two is a good run in the red zone,
in the low red zone. So yeah, you'd like to
(26:45):
see him stick stick with that a little bit more.
I know why teams do it, because it's hard to
run the football down there, and run game is the
expectation down there. But you almost wonder if if the
scales kind of flip now with the Bronco is of
like like you said, I mean, they've become you know,
relatively speaking, path heavy in the low red and so
(27:07):
now you know, you might think that you'd be able
to punch it in a few times either with you know,
Nick's had the touchdown run from the six. I guess
it was but a little bit more of that. That
was a scramble, so a little more design, run, a
little bit more, you know, running back run if you're
going to hand the ball to Adam Prentiss inside the
five seems like a better time than third and ten
(27:29):
or you know whatever. But yeah, it'll be interesting to
see kind of how what their plan is against, especially Againt,
the Dallas team that hasn't stopped to run at all
so far this year well past.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
There's been a lot of negative criticism of number twenty
one Roley Moss over the past couple of weeks, and
obviously we saw what I believe was an egregious pass
and affairs call on Roley Moss.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Do you think now teams are going to attack you more?
Speaker 3 (27:56):
But more importantly that the rafts are being told before
the games?
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Hey watch number twenty one.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
He has a tendency to do this or do that,
and that's going to bring more negativity towards rally.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Well, I mean, he just has a ton of attention anyways,
because of the nature of playing opposite of Patzertan and
and teams you know are going to test them a lot.
That's just that's just life. I you know, I know,
I know that there are fans out there that they
want to see Johnny barn or Chris Abram Drain or whatever.
It's like. I don't know exactly what that would look like,
but I don't think I don't think it's easy to
(28:30):
put into perspective what life opposite patser Tan is really like,
just in terms of, you know, what it takes to
be targeted all the time, to know that teams are
coming after you, to know that the officials are watching you,
to play man as much as they're playing, and then
to have to sort of live through, you know, invariably
(28:52):
completions and stuff like that. I mean, he's got the
lowest completion percentage against of any cornerback, with more than
you know, thirty balls thrown his way so far this year. Obviously,
penalties are sort of a yap up to that. But
then you know, at the Broncos fan on the street,
if they think he's doing a good job, and they
might say no, and then ask him if they thought
it was past interference, and it'd probably be a more
(29:14):
colorful response and also a no. So I I think
he's doing a fine job. I think he's got a
really hard job. Uh And if nothing else, just watch
Bemani Jones' explanation of of what it means to be
Riley Moss in the NFL, and and and and that's
that might be where I fall on it.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
That was, that was a pretty good clip. Saw that
one today over there, and I courage everybody to check
that out. That was that was fascinating. Uh, Parker, we
got to uh we got a run. But uh, you're
looking at this game real quick this weekend. Contrasting styles
with Dallas's offense against Denver's defense.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Will you give the edge two?
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Yeah? I think. I mean it's obviously it's a great matchup.
I think Denver's defense will be motivated, uh after last week,
and I think Ertan and Ceedee Lamb and Riley Moss
and George Pickens. I mean that's just must must must
see television this weekend.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
I and do agree with you, Parker Gabriel, Parker J.
Gabriel on Twitter. Look forward to catching up with you out.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
There this week. Oh see you guys, all right, take.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Care, we come back. We got a week in review
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