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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well theme do it Broncos Country tonight, but with all
Brian Nick, Ferguson, Grant Smith.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Shout out to.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Ryan Michaels for joining us in the last segment, Steve
Atwater for joining us in the first hour.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
You guys miss any of that.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
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where you can also get to you Taking It for
Granted podcast as well. New episode drops tomorrow with Ken Solomon,
the former Nuggets mascot Rocky the Nuggets mascot, which throws
me every time because I would think Rocky would be
the Rockies.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Mask cup and now.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
It's Dinger instead throws me every time I get the
mascot even miles to the mast and it always throws me off.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
It shouldn't but it does.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Anyway, you guys can get that episode tomorrow and I'll
be listening to it as well. The NBA season has
tipped off the Boston Celtics or is it Celtics, I'm
not sure, putting beat down on the New York Knicks.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Knicks beloved Nicks, not my Nicks, not your Nicks. Nope,
you're not claiming them. Nope, not mom, You're a Miami
Heat fan.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
But I always love giving him you know some stuff
about that. But coach Bergano's Celtic or Celtics whichever it is.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Oh, he's celebrating or calibrating. I don't know how I
pronounced it.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
But put the beat down on the New York Knickerbockers today.
And then we've got Minnesota and the LA Lakers. The Lakers,
by the way, and the Lebron era have never won.
Excuse me, I never beaten the spread on the the
opening tip within the opening game of the season, the
Lebron James era.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
That's very interesting.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
And I know this game is being billed as making
NBA history father and son on the court at the
same time, and there was can.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Your name the other father son duel that played together.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
No, I cannot, not NBA.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
It's a different pretting professional sports, professional sports.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
No, it's the only other one. Oh no, King Griffey
and King Griffy.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Okay, great shaking his head like yes, and I'm going like, okay.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Easy one. I didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
God Nick, Come on, god'st on it go far film.
I should have known that.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, but yeah, and we'll see if he gets on
the court tonight.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
I would imagine that Bronnie is not going to play
meaningful minutes and unless, of course it is a blowout. Yeah,
unless it's to blowout one way of the author, And
then of course I would think that you would get
him on there for the history. Obviously they're at LA,
so you want it in front of the home crowd.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Of course you try to do this. And here's the
crazy thing about it. I think lebron joins one other
NBA player to play twenty two years in the NBA
from if my knowledge is correct, to play twenty two
years twenty two years.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Good lord, I'm trying to think you.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Know who the other player is. Don't look it up, Grant,
I gotta get a win. I need a win. No,
you gotta tell me, Ben Well the one I want
to guess. I don't think it's right. Well guess is
what it's called a guest?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Is it Vince Carter?
Speaker 3 (02:56):
It is Vince Carter? You ted really fast, don't you?
I do type it? You entied really fast?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
My hazard down here?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yes, but I knew like that was the one I
went to get. I was like, man, because I remember
Vince played for forever, but I wasn't. I didn't think
it was right. I was like, I don't play for everyone.
I was like, Ateen, I didn't think he got to
the twenty mark.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Was it was Vince Cardon.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
That's why when I had this conversation with friends who
are huge, huge Lebron James fans, they bring up how
he has, you know, more points and all that than
Michael Jordan. I said he should. He's playing longer, right.
And then there's one big uber Lebron James fan and
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my former teammate, Shannon Shark.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
He's a big Lebron My god, oh my.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Guy, he is.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
And I remember a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
When the Cavs were playing against uh, Golden State, and
I think Golden State was up and I was talking
trash next thing, you know, the come back, and then
Shannon sends me a photo, right, and it's him and
Lebron at the parade, And at that point I had nothing, Yeah,
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I had.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
What am I gonna do?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
At that point?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Nothing speak of parades.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Brief announcement the Denver Veterans Day Parade this year in November.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I'm gonna be m seeing it.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
You guys want to come on down and watch the
denver of Veterans Day Parade downtown.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
I'll get you more information on that if you get
a long stiff. Man, I'm super excited to be doing that.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Matter of fact, I think we're gonna have uh, the
lady who runs that, she's one of the first female
graduates of West Point. I think she's gonna come in
that we can have a chance to chat with her
about her experience.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
As being one of the first females to go through
West Point.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
So dude, man, that's what's up. Man, Our veterans. They
do so much for us, and I think they're so undervalued,
most of them.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I was correct. I'm not tired of it to you, right, obviously,
I'm conversation.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Yes, you are excluded, but both the men and women
who are currently serving now and those who have dedicated
their lives and you know, their body parts for that man,
those individuals need to be validated every day, and I
know at Sporting Advance that's the one thing they do.
The Broncos do a great job of validating those who
previously serviced. But I'm just like I just think that
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there's more that they can do, more that that could
be done. Well.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
We try to, you know, heroes thank can. We try
to do that.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I love doing that, but a huge part of my
existence here at at iHeart being able to do that
charity and you you know, obviously be able to do
that now. And what a bit, what a big thing
that is. We're gonna be opening that up I think
this week. But it's Heroes thank You. I think we're
expanding that to first responders this year too, so you
guys say, hey, you guys want to get.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Involved in that. Heroes thank you.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
We love being able to give those checks out to
families who deserve a little exture around the holiday season
for the things they've done. So we'll get you all
the information on the nomination stories and all that kind
of stuff. As the week wares on, does it does
the browny thing with Lebron?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Does that move the needle for you at all?
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Like that?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Does it? Like?
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Do you care no when you tune in to see
Brinnie and Lebron play at all?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
I mean I would turn it on just to say okay,
I thought it. Yeah, right, it's one of those things
to say that where were you when this happened? But
it only gets more exciting if it's in a situation
where Briannie is playing quality minutes and he's actually playing well.
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That's when it turns into something because now this is
fans turned around with his development and go oh wow,
I didn't expect that, and now it becomes something that
the NBA can sell. But right now, at the beginning
of the season, the Lakers at home, I think was
it the game is on TNT or something like that
or whatever it is, and everyone's making a big deal
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about it.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah. I mean for me, I don't know if it
moves the needle.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
There's a curiosity factor there and that you know, I
kind of I guess I'd see it to see it.
I'm not going to make an appointment television, but if
they do play, then I'll probably watch Sports Center the
next day just to just to get the clips and
the you know, kind of the nutshell rundown on it.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I don't think it moves the needle for me in
that regard.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Honestly, after watching preseason and and you know, Summer League
in that I were interestedn't see in Dalton Connect out
there for the Lakers side.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Then I have seeing Brownie.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Connect was definitely connecting the last preseason game, he was
draining buckets.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I was.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
I remember when the draft was happening and I was
sitting right here, and when he started to slip just
a little bit, I remember I was telling Grant. I
buzzed into the booth there and I saw that. I
was like, man, you know what's gonna happen, and he's
gonna mess around. Let this dude fall right to the
Lakers and he's gonna be so good. And then it did,
and I was like, ah, I hate being right. I
hate being right. And I would have loved him here.
Not that the Nuggets, I mean they were obviously had
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their target for the center anyway, but I would have
loved to see you know, him on the Nuggets. I
think he would have made a perfect off the bench
two or three you know, for them in terms of
a little offensive you know edition.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Yeah, I mean Connect has a little swagger to him too.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
I see he played it at the Northern Colorado Yes,
a couple of years. As jay Z said, he walked
like a ballplayer.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Right, That's who you all player. Yeah, that's what you want,
and that's the type of fighting is that uh you need?
And the Lakers did that because they knew that with
things winding down for Lebron, they need some new faces
and you have to be able to shoot. Like across
the NBA. The game has changed because as a kid
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growing up, the game was played inside out. Now it's
outside in right with everyone in their mama shooting three points.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah, if you can't hit the three ball and you
can't hit the three ball at thirty three percent or better?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
What you what are you doing? You know?
Speaker 1 (08:37):
It's a shooters league now you could You should be
able to be a guy who could play great defense.
And if you could cut to the rim, even if
you didn't have a great shot, you worn't great from downtown,
you'd have a great shot. You could cut to the rim,
you could you could carve yourself out a niche. Uh
you know in the in the I'm not sure Sean
Marion could play in the NBA now, you know what
I mean? Like the way that he played, well, he
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was a great player for that he has. He was
very athletic.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
He had a really awkward shot, Yeah I remember that,
but he was very athletic in his waistban like, I mean, defensively,
you know, hey, he can. You can put him up
with some of the the I guess, the toughest guys.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
He was a great defensive player who could who could
get to the rack, you know, he need to.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
But his three point shot was frankly.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Terrible even you know, and there were years where he
was jacking up four or five of the game and
still barely clipping the thirty percent mark. His first couple
of years in the league, he's had like eighteen and
twenty five percent from downtown.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
I'm like what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
It's like a guy like that who was a phenomenal athlete,
an excellent defensive player, and he'd be an afterthought in
the modern game.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
He came in because he came in. He came in
in ninety nine, right, and he was done.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I mean, you know, I mean, he'd been done for
a few years, but he got the he got the
extra extra bag on the way out night.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
He mad at him for it.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
But you know, wait, why do you say he would
be an.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Afterthought because he can't shoot from outside. He's a small
forward to couldn' hit the three ball. What are you
gonna do as long as name me a small forward,
I can't shoot.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Right now, that's in the league. Well I can't name me,
but but I did. If you if you can't shoot
the three, that doesn't necessarily mean that you can't play
in the NBA because you got the mid range game. Right.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Nobody, the analytics, they don't don't even don't even bother
with midrangehots. I mean, I know Chris Paul likes to
you know, still at the top of the key up,
but nobody does the midrange game anymore.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Ever, it's it's outside in like you were talking about.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Man, you want to talk about like mid range game
and no one. I got a perfect guy, Demargin Rosen. Okay,
that's mid.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Mid range no one guy.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
I don't care, but but but he's efficient. If more,
how about this, if Michael Porter Junior had the same
mid range game like Demargin Rosen, that dude would be
unstoppable with his size and his length. Come on, man,
don't dump on the mid range game. Because I know
everyone loves the three point shot. They love the three
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point shot.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I knew, But I mean, if if DeRozan could hit
the three ball, he would be one of the most
prolific scores History's average is twenty five a game without
being able to hit it.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
I mean, he's a he's one.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Of thirty ish percent three point shooter for his correctity,
but he understands his will house where he lives. But
the problem is, like that shot is so inefficient, like
over time, it doesn't even matter if you're clipping fifty
percent of your twos. If you're hitting thirty percent of
your threes, you're gonna you're gonna win the game. I
just just from a sheer mathematical standpoint, right and that
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I mean.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
I appreciate it threes more than you know.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I'm talking abot both sides of my mouth right now,
because like really like I understand what you're saying. And
if you have that shot and you can make that cool,
like you, there's value there. The problem is that modern analytics,
no offense is constructed to feature that. Well, how many
guys in NBA, even though.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
They only really have like thirty guys that playway.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
There's a number of guys who can shoot three point shots,
shoots the three, but no one is shooting from a
volume standpoint like a steph Curry. There's very limited amount
of guys who have that rate of I.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Mean his yeah, and his I mean his volume is
even higher than everybody else. But your average, like your
average two or your three, they're jacking up five six
threes a game.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
But that's this is why I love DeMar de Rozan's
game because it's so old school throwback. Because could you
average is three and a half a game, you can
get the old school three point shot, like the mid
range games got power, you're going you're going to.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
You're getting the three points that way, which which is
where he's which is where he's kind of made his
living an eighty four percent free throw shooter with you know,
getting seven attempts a game.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Listen, if if you're coaching in the NBA, oh betty,
if you are Michael Malone and you have a player
that can is that efficient, you're taking that, I mean
you're taking point.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
You're taking an efficient scorer like that.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
But it was like it requires rewiring off because everybody's
pacing space now right.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Everybody's up tempo with with jacking up the three points.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
It's a hybrid of like what D'Antoni ran in that
seven seconds offense.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
They Okay, those D'Antoni.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Teams, they could score, but they couldn't defend this defense.
No defense, right, that's why you know.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I mean you had Steve Nash at the point, I mean,
bless his heart, one of the one of the most
exciting passers, and of course could score, but uh, Steve
Nash couldn't play a liquord defense.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Like that's like watching you know, the Big twelve play. Yeah, no,
was no was stopping it.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Like it was just funny watching because I mean those
Phoenix teams were so fun to watch. And speaking of
Sean Mary, I mean you had and all the players
they had on those teams. He had Nash, Roger Bell,
he had Abosa Borist Gia could play any one of
those positions. You had Sewn Marry Joe Johnson was on
a couple of those teams. They and they never.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Close. That is nuts.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Oh it's so funny to look at.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
But I mean D'Antoni revolutionized because then everybody went up tempo,
and then you had, you know, these other teams that
started realizing, hey we spread it out, start start start
shooting these three pointers. We get all shooters and just
keep jacking up threes, we're gonna win games. And that's
where the modern games because remember when it was ISO
basketball before.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Now you have everyone's shooting three point shots.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Which he's gone the other way.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
It's the pendulum swung too far the other direction. Yes,
it's just like some of those some of the games
I watched and it was like, whatever, man, this is
boring as hell.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
That was like basketball we grew up with.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
No, it's not because I mean you and I grew
up with.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I mean, you know, you know, I basically grew up
with the Lakers and the bad boy Pittings and the Pager.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yeah. I love that. That was my team Boston.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
But those teams like through that era, you know where
you play dirty defense to the Knicks, those dirty Knicks
teams like to call it dirty defense.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
I like to just call it, well, I don't mean dirty.
I don't mean it derogatorily. I called it dirty defense.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
It's like it'd be dirty now talking about Zadier McDaniel
left there throwing elbows, Charles basketball was truly basmcdce tale
Davis like you had, you had a hard noses.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Thing is a hard fire, right, you knew what was
called you went to the room the rim.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
You knew it was now you know nowadays you go
to the rim like that, Oh you know, a little
touch foul on the way up.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Whatever, So you got you know, Davis has got you.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
A choke hold is your And just remember like Bier
and Beard, just coming down with both hands, small.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
People elbows slinging out elbows. How many technical fouls did
he wreck up with those? Elegant man, he was luted
before Luda was bos.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
That is basketball. What I'm watching now is something unrecognizable,
the bleaming of European balls.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
You know, it's just all the euro stuff. I blame you.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
This is your fault fever basketball.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Grant loves it. Yes, he was a big Deno Roger fan.
Was that shrimp. Oh Tony coach chases of this?
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Hey, I loved me some Tony Cook coach many left
handed growing up.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
That dude could stroke.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
He does.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Patrick was.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Patrick was the funniest player to watch, speaking of no defense,
He's just.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Running down of the court, stand at the wing, wait
for the ball. That was his whole game, His.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Entire games of.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Dropping dropping ball.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Yes, yes, that's what The teams were built that way,
where they had guys who. This was kind of their
special team. But back then they also played the little defense,
well they did of defense.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
I Uh, it's funny because there's so many players that
I wonder if they were played in the wrong era,
like who Rachel of Friends or those guys are built
for the modern game now versus you know, like throwback stuff,
Terry you go all the way back to like Terry Porter.
You can find guys on the you know they were
built for They need to mic away Johns O man, yes,
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just saying yes now I'm thirsty.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
NFL six pack is next.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Thanks to Steve Atwater for joining us in the first hour, right,
Michael for joining us earlierf you guys missed any of
that Broncos, Country Night, dot Com, Slash Podcast, all the
other places you get your podcasts.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Totally nailed that one. There, Time for the NFL six packs.
Time for the NFL. I'm gonna at insight, insight information
you can't anywhere else. The top six NFL headline. What
he did kind of sound like Tally there here. Now wait,
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that's the other one. Shaman Davis's time is up.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
In Washington, the commanders announced they've waved to the twenty
twenty one first round pick. Today, Davis moved from linebacker
defensive at hand after the team broughad a new head coach,
Dan Quinn.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
This season, Davis had minimal impact.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
In his five appearances, He had two hundred and sixty
nine tackles, seven sacks, have picked two.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Forced fumbles to fumble recovers. During his first three seasons
with the team, wore five Commanders first round.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Picks from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty two, and he
was the last one still on the team's roster. Was
pretty good as a as a linebacker, not really good
as a defensive ends.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
The Broncos maybe take a look at the former first rounder.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Camel You always want to take a look around the
league and see what are the players that teams are
parting ways with. And he's trying to add depth and
and get better. And just because that means that the
Broncos could look at the player, that doesn't necessarily mean
that he currently fits what they want to do. I mean,
look at Kwan Alexander. That was kind of a guy
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at the beginning the season that no one probably predicted
with be on the Broncos roster and playing, you know,
quality minutes. But but he is so Yeah, I'm sure
they're looking, they're seeing, they're talking to one another, breaking
down the film, trying to see if he would work
and if he does and there's a spot for him. Yeah,
you think about it, and maybe you get signed into
a futures deal. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
I you know, I'm always.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Kind of eyeballing former first round athletic types that you know,
maybe didn't fit within the scheme of what someone else
was doing and had been productive before. He's been productive.
I just did not fit what they were trying to
do in Washington at all. You know, we should do
just call it coach mcdonnald and see see what the
deals he is there.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Maybe we get him on over here to Cooper.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Cup on trade speculation, says, I'm aware of it, but
I'm gonna be with my feet. Are Cups set to
return of the field Thursday night, for the question is
whether the lead his final game with the Rams. Rams
are portly spoken to multiple teams about trading Cup. Up
said today the Rams are not spoking to him or
his reps about the possibility of trading him.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Nothing really.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Cup said by Adam Grossbard the Orange County Register that
time of the year, is gonna be a rumors things
to go around. I'll let that stuff as much as
I can, just be in the background. Cuff says he's
heard the trade chatter, but he knows he has no
control over the Rams decision, saying I'm aware of it.
At the end of the day, I'm gonna be where
my feet are. Cup is the NFL's Offensive Player of
the Year in twenty twenty one, after leading the league
in catches with one hundred and forty five, receiving yards
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of the finals of nine hundred and forty seven and
touchdowns with sixteen played twenty three games since making total
of one hundred and fifty two catches for sixteen hundred
ninety six yards and twelve touchdowns. I'm told Cooper Cup
is not an option here in Denver, although Tampa might
be very interested in him. What do we think about
the possibility of the Rams moving on from Cooper Cupp?
Speaker 2 (19:52):
And before I finished that sentence, let me say that the.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Rumors about trading Matt Stafford are absolutely below me.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Well, I'll say this. Every team is always looking to
trade players and getting closer to the trade dayline. You
talk to players, players of representation. You talk to other
teams just to kick the tires and see if we
were considering trading this guy, what would you be willing
to give us four head?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
These are some of the conversations.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
And I mean you mentioned Tampa Bay who Mike Evans
went down, Chris Gollan went down the.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Way he's got experience with offensive coordinator Liam Cohen, right, and.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Then also in San Francisco. And you know, teams normally
don't trade within the division, but the San Francisco is
kind of banged up a literally from the wide receiver
position themselves. But for me, there are two teams that
stick out, Kansas City and the Baltimore Ratings. Those are
the two teams that well, once again, Brett Beach his
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he's turned water into wine. So I'm not gonna put
anything pass the Kansasity Chiefs, but those are the two
teams that I would say that would be best suited
for a veteran wide receiver like Cooper cut Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Again, I was still to keep your eye on Tampa
and that one. I wouldn't sleep on Pittsburgh either.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I mean, they have been shopping for another receivers, so
somebody to kind of keep your eye on their maloney
trade rumors Alvin Kamara, who people made up out of
nowhere saying that he was his sources had told him
that he wanted to be trade.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I don't see you saw this.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
The other day some guy from some fantasy football website
said some source told him that Alvin Kamara wanted to
be traded and requested to trade.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Kamara quote tweeted and said this was baloney.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
And that he was on his way to the Tennessee
Balls game at the moment.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Wanted to be a Saint for life.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Well, Saints officially don't want to trade him, and it
looks like they're making him that way. Via Markgret Mike
Garfolav NFL Media. Saints and Kamara have worked out a
new deal that extends this today through twenty twenty six.
Kamara was under contract through twenty twenty five, but it
was a phony money deal that had a pet balloon
p baggage of twenty five million for the final season
now to make less one a two year deal twenty
four and a half million then he was due to
make on the old deal, but he was never going
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to get that twenty five million anyway. I think We
all know that, and the number was all about booting
the annual new money average of his old contract.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
The new contracts technically.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Negative money apy, but again, last year was not the
last year that deal was not real. Say, it's keeping
Kamara up beyond twenty twenty four, which obviously removes any
incentive to training before November fifth, when the window closes.
What do we think about Alvin Kamara extending his stay
with Torren Saints.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
It wasn't been good for him. But I'm gonna tell
you this. When I watched the game last week Thursday,
you can tell Kamara was frustrated because he continued to
look over at the sideline every time they were not
productive offensively and kind of kind of make gestures like
give me the ball, be a little more creative. And
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there was something that happened after the game that I
kind of retweeted my Girlfolo's tweet because I said, well,
there was something I saw, and that was the embrace
of Sean Payton.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Ryan was a great embrace, and I.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Was like, I wonder if Kamara whispered into Sean Payton's
ear come get me.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Well, some people were speculating that I'm not.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Gonna, hey, listen the speculation or not.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
I know what I saw well, and I'm seeing now
as him signing signing a deal to stay in Orlean,
and I am saying or suggesting this is just in
my opinion, maybe that help speed things facilitate.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
I'm just saying that the social lubricants, as it were.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Four The staggered doubleheader the Monday night featured one game
on broadcast cable and the other on the ESPN streaming service,
resulted in probably not surprisingly, less than stellar audience members
for the game that was streamed between the Chargers and
the Cardinals. ESPN didn't mention the audience numbers and its
press release for the week seven Monday night football games,
and for a good reason for a source with knowledge
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of the data, the game attracted an audience of one
point eight million, and that includes those who watched via
over the air channels in the local markets of Phoenix
and Los Angeles. Nowadays, one point eight million isn't a
bad number for a sporting event, but it is an
awful number for an NFL game, and probably why ESPN
did not mention the audience numbers. The Chargins, Chargers and
Cardinals hopefully that number was low enough not to get
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ESPN to do another stagger doubleheader with one of them
streaming only on ESPN plus you and I got to
talk to a business owner firsthand who was extremely frustrated
that he was unable to show that game on television
at his Monday at his bar for Monday night football.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Yeah, he was hotter than fist grief as you would
call it. And listen. I get the idea of putting
the game out and trying to take advantage of multiple views,
but sometimes you have to allow the fan base to
absorb that one game. And on Sundays, I know they play,
there's a lot of games going on, but Monday nighting.
(24:35):
And you've brought this up, and I've had some chance
to kind of reflect on it and change my opinion.
It may be a little too much, right maybe just
oversaturated in the league's thinking we're too big to fail
right now, that's to be indicator.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Million for an NFL games horrendous relatively speaking in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
I mean, you know, one point eight million.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Most people would love to see that, especially on a
stream only thing, but for an NFL game, that is
absolutely abysmal.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Five guys come good news on Deebo Samuel.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
According to multiple reports, Samuel's been discharged from the hospital.
He left Sunday's lost the Chiefs with an illness, went
to the hospital later that night. I coach Kyle Shanahan
said Samuel had fluid in his lungs, described his position
as pneumonia. Basically what I was at with for the
last week, and it was awful, let me tell you.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Shanna had said.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
The team will see how Samuel recovers of the coming days.
They also lost brand and Ayuk to a season ning
knee injury on Sunday played the entire game without Juwan.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Jennings, who has a hip issue.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
So any good health news for their sceiving course probably
welcome with open.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Arms for Niners fans. One day's practice, we'll give us
our next update where.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Things stand with Samuel, Jennings and the other injured Niners
heading into this week's game against the Cowboys. I'm told
it'll be a no go for McCaffrey, who should be
back after the bye week for.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
The Niners and not with the Cowboys game.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
So as far as Debo and Juwan, Denny's go were
amaze to be seen, but I will tell you I
just like for me, I spent a couple of days
in hospital with the fluid in the lungs.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
It ain't it ain't fun.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
No, it's not a picnic. I've never had a hat
into me, but I've had individuals talk about it, and
once again, football players are people too, and they are
open to having these situations happened to them. And San
Francisco they've they've been the team that's been aligned by injuries,
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and that's probably gonna threaten how far they go into
the playoffs, because I mean before the season started they
were odds on favorite of facing Kansas City again. Right now,
looks like Kansas City is out there by themselves.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yeah, Kansas City's cruising and cruising out to six and
Izero probably, And if you look at the schedule that
they've got ahead of my you know, the Broncos play
him here in a couple of weeks, but it doesn't
look like there's really a loss on their schedule. Anything
that's looming is something that's a big loss for Kansas.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
City coming up.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
They would take them, you know, getting surprised, I would think,
and certainly the sportsbooks looking surprised as well.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Sick.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Speaking of teams of Broncos.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Playing, the Panthers announced a quarterback, Andy Dalton, was involved
in a car accident in Charlotte today. Teams spokes are
been said that Dalton was driving with his wife, three children,
and the family dog when the accident happened. No one
was transported to the hospital by emergency medical services, but
team medical.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Personnel are evaluating Andy Dalton.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Panthers scheduled to practice on Wednesday that should bring further
updates for his condition. Dalton was installed as the team
starting quarterback in Week three, and head coach Dave Canalis
reaffirmed he will be in that position again in Week
eight despite Sunday's forty to seven loss to the Washington Commanders.
As the Panthers travel out here to Denver to take
on the Broncos. I guess, I mean, we all hope
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that adult's okay, if you'd ever want somebody to not
be okay. But if you're the Broncos fan, would you
rather face Andy Dalton or Bryce Young or does it
even matter?
Speaker 3 (27:40):
I mean, obviously you rather face Bryce Young because I
don't want to say there's anything such thing as a
easy wins, But Bryce Young having his issues, of course
you want to be able to go after him. Because
Andy Dalton, even though he's in the back of row,
he was once a first round drafts show, the first round,
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the second round draft shows. But he was a guy
that you know, helped the Cincinnati Bengals actually get to
the playoffs, someone who Grant Smith Is knows and knows
very well, so he knows what Andy Dalton, the red
rifle is capable of love. But obviously if Peter dem Broncos,
you would read the face Bryce Young, who is still
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working his way into being an NFL quarterback.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, I think I think you'd rather have the younger
guy who got managed than the steady veteran like like
Andy Dalton.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Despite I mean, you know, the Panthers are decimated football team.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
It's not like they're coming into this thing with any
sort of with any sort of health or momentum. They've
been a football team that's not been able to put
points on the board.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
They've not been able to stop anybody. It's just been bad.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
And I feel for, you know, for Dave Canalis, who's
taking over what looks like a pretty major rebuild here.
They have some pieces here there. I mean Ningo Lagett
and Deontay Johnson. His receiving court doesn't look that bad.
The offensive line isn't very good. They haven'ten able to
get the one game going with with Hubbard and Sanders,
and they're supposed to get Jonathan Books back but haven't yet.
The defense has been decimated across the board, and it's
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just it's just a football team. That's that's just kind
of reeling, uh for being honest about it. Although they
do have Johnny Hecker, the the punter who can do
trick plays and throw the ball and all that kind
of stuff.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
That's not going to help them.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah, well they might need it.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
They might need a punter who can do trick plays.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
They might be the most offensive, not the youngest large.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah that might that might be. I don't know anyway.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
I just I'm trying to find a way to make
sure I don't fall in the trap of overlooking this game.
But the really closer guests, the more I'm like, what
are the Panthers going to do here?
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Well, the idea is for the Panthers is to go
out and compete, because every game is the time to
evaluate your players.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
And Nope, there's not.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
A single player that wants to go out and don't
perform well. And for a lot of those guys sometimes,
I mean, you're playing for jobs. You mentioned Dave canelis
a young coach who's still trying to evaluate which guys
are playing hard because this is the time, excellent time
to do some internal evaluation, because when teams know that
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they go into any given game and they're under the
gun and they're not really favorite, they're like huge underdogs,
you get a chance to see which players continue to
play like they're playing for something, and those are the
players that you want to have around on your team,
and that's how you rebuild the culture. And that's where
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the Carolina Panthers are now. Maybe a year or two
years from now, the team would be different, they would
have more of a solid culture. But right now they're
struggling to find their way. They don't know who's going
to be their starting quarterback, and they're trying to work
through those issues.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Oh yeah, Dalton is not the long term answer for
the Panthers. A slice of the questions whether or not
Bryce Young is, and with him getting benched, you kind
of figure they've sort of made a decision on that
The only quarterback they even have on the practice squad
is Jack Plumber, and he's never shown anything that he
would be any kind of starting caliber quarterback. If he was,
he'd be active off the practice squad or even starting.
So to me, it looks like that this is a
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we're just you know, we're just trying.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
To get through this year. I'm evaluating these rosters that kind.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Of thing before we put together the squad that we
think we would have put together for the future.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Well, you know what, man, I feel for Bryce Young
because he's in a situation that is not conducer for him.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Well, right on several levels.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
First of all, the culture of the organizations saying, well,
you traded away all kinds of stuff to go get him,
and then what are you gonna put around him because
you gutted yourself to get him.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Yeah, but then you mentioned him because he's not performing
well and you didn't really give him assets to perform.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Well, I mean, I think can Alice saw and I
think I don't think he's a fit for what it
is that they want to do. It doesn't mean because
I do believe that there are several teams looking their
chops to go get him. You know, and put him
in line Dallas being.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
One of them. But I don't think. I think he's
probably done Carolina.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
I would say unless something wild happened, I would agree
with that that it's best for them to kind of
part ways let him go and let him go to
a team that is really going to be supportive of
his abilities.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Hope he finds that. Broncos Country tonight
Well theme do it Broncos Country tonight, but with all
Brian Nick, Ferguson, Grant Smith.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Shout out to.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Ryan Michaels for joining us in the last segment, Steve
Atwater for joining us in the first hour.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
You guys miss any of that.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
You always go to Broncos Country, to Night, dot Com,
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where you can also get to you Taking It for
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the former Nuggets mascot Rocky the Nuggets mascot, which throws
me every time because I would think Rocky would be
the Rockies.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Mask cup and now.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
It's Dinger instead throws me every time I get the
mascot even miles to the mast and it always throws me off.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
It shouldn't but it does.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Anyway, you guys can get that episode tomorrow and I'll
be listening to it as well. The NBA season has
tipped off the Boston Celtics or is it Celtics, I'm
not sure, putting beat down on the New York Knicks.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Knicks beloved Nicks, not my Nicks, not your Nicks. Nope,
you're not claiming them. Nope, not mom, You're a Miami
Heat fan.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
But I always love giving him you know some stuff
about that. But coach Bergano's Celtic or Celtics whichever it is.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Oh, he's celebrating or calibrating. I don't know how I
pronounced it.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
But put the beat down on the New York Knickerbockers today.
And then we've got Minnesota and the LA Lakers. The Lakers,
by the way, and the Lebron era have never won.
Excuse me, I never beaten the spread on the the
opening tip within the opening game of the season, the
Lebron James era.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
That's very interesting.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
And I know this game is being billed as making
NBA history father and son on the court at the
same time, and there was can.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Your name the other father son duel that played together.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
No, I cannot, not NBA.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
It's a different pretting professional sports, professional sports.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
No, it's the only other one. Oh no, King Griffey
and King Griffy.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Okay, great shaking his head like yes, and I'm going like, okay.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Easy one. I didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
God Nick, Come on, god'st on it go far film.
I should have known that.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, but yeah, and we'll see if he gets on
the court tonight.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
I would imagine that Bronnie is not going to play
meaningful minutes and unless, of course it is a blowout. Yeah,
unless it's to blowout one way of the author, And
then of course I would think that you would get
him on there for the history. Obviously they're at LA,
so you want it in front of the home crowd.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Of course you try to do this. And here's the
crazy thing about it. I think lebron joins one other
NBA player to play twenty two years in the NBA
from if my knowledge is correct, to play twenty two
years twenty two years.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Good lord, I'm trying to think you.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Know who the other player is. Don't look it up, Grant,
I gotta get a win. I need a win. No,
you gotta tell me, Ben Well the one I want
to guess. I don't think it's right. Well guess is
what it's called a guest?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Is it Vince Carter?
Speaker 3 (02:56):
It is Vince Carter? You ted really fast, don't you?
I do type it? You entied really fast?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
My hazard down here?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yes, but I knew like that was the one I
went to get. I was like, man, because I remember
Vince played for forever, but I wasn't. I didn't think
it was right. I was like, I don't play for everyone.
I was like, Ateen, I didn't think he got to
the twenty mark.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Was it was Vince Cardon.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
That's why when I had this conversation with friends who
are huge, huge Lebron James fans, they bring up how
he has, you know, more points and all that than
Michael Jordan. I said he should. He's playing longer, right.
And then there's one big uber Lebron James fan and
(03:38):
my former teammate, Shannon Shark.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
He's a big Lebron My god, oh my.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Guy, he is.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
And I remember a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
When the Cavs were playing against uh, Golden State, and
I think Golden State was up and I was talking
trash next thing, you know, the come back, and then
Shannon sends me a photo, right, and it's him and
Lebron at the parade, And at that point I had nothing, Yeah,
(04:13):
I had.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
What am I gonna do?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
At that point?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Nothing speak of parades.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Brief announcement the Denver Veterans Day Parade this year in November.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I'm gonna be m seeing it.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
You guys want to come on down and watch the
denver of Veterans Day Parade downtown.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
I'll get you more information on that if you get
a long stiff. Man, I'm super excited to be doing that.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Matter of fact, I think we're gonna have uh, the
lady who runs that, she's one of the first female
graduates of West Point. I think she's gonna come in
that we can have a chance to chat with her
about her experience.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
As being one of the first females to go through
West Point.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
So dude, man, that's what's up. Man, Our veterans. They
do so much for us, and I think they're so undervalued,
most of them.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I was correct. I'm not tired of it to you, right, obviously,
I'm conversation.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Yes, you are excluded, but both the men and women
who are currently serving now and those who have dedicated
their lives and you know, their body parts for that man,
those individuals need to be validated every day, and I
know at Sporting Advance that's the one thing they do.
The Broncos do a great job of validating those who
previously serviced. But I'm just like I just think that
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there's more that they can do, more that that could
be done. Well.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
We try to, you know, heroes thank can. We try
to do that.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I love doing that, but a huge part of my
existence here at at iHeart being able to do that
charity and you you know, obviously be able to do
that now. And what a bit, what a big thing
that is. We're gonna be opening that up I think
this week. But it's Heroes thank You. I think we're
expanding that to first responders this year too, so you
guys say, hey, you guys want to get.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Involved in that. Heroes thank you.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
We love being able to give those checks out to
families who deserve a little exture around the holiday season
for the things they've done. So we'll get you all
the information on the nomination stories and all that kind
of stuff. As the week wares on, does it does
the browny thing with Lebron?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Does that move the needle for you at all?
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Like that?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Does it? Like?
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Do you care no when you tune in to see
Brinnie and Lebron play at all?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
I mean I would turn it on just to say okay,
I thought it. Yeah, right, it's one of those things
to say that where were you when this happened? But
it only gets more exciting if it's in a situation
where Briannie is playing quality minutes and he's actually playing well.
(06:26):
That's when it turns into something because now this is
fans turned around with his development and go oh wow,
I didn't expect that, and now it becomes something that
the NBA can sell. But right now, at the beginning
of the season, the Lakers at home, I think was
it the game is on TNT or something like that
or whatever it is, and everyone's making a big deal
(06:48):
about it.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah. I mean for me, I don't know if it
moves the needle.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
There's a curiosity factor there and that you know, I
kind of I guess I'd see it to see it.
I'm not going to make an appointment television, but if
they do play, then I'll probably watch Sports Center the
next day just to just to get the clips and
the you know, kind of the nutshell rundown on it.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I don't think it moves the needle for me in
that regard.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Honestly, after watching preseason and and you know, Summer League
in that I were interestedn't see in Dalton Connect out
there for the Lakers side.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Then I have seeing Brownie.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Connect was definitely connecting the last preseason game, he was
draining buckets.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I was.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
I remember when the draft was happening and I was
sitting right here, and when he started to slip just
a little bit, I remember I was telling Grant. I
buzzed into the booth there and I saw that. I
was like, man, you know what's gonna happen, and he's
gonna mess around. Let this dude fall right to the
Lakers and he's gonna be so good. And then it did,
and I was like, ah, I hate being right. I
hate being right. And I would have loved him here.
Not that the Nuggets, I mean they were obviously had
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their target for the center anyway, but I would have
loved to see you know, him on the Nuggets. I
think he would have made a perfect off the bench
two or three you know, for them in terms of
a little offensive you know edition.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Yeah, I mean Connect has a little swagger to him too.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
I see he played it at the Northern Colorado Yes,
a couple of years. As jay Z said, he walked
like a ballplayer.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Right, That's who you all player. Yeah, that's what you want,
and that's the type of fighting is that uh you need?
And the Lakers did that because they knew that with
things winding down for Lebron, they need some new faces
and you have to be able to shoot. Like across
the NBA. The game has changed because as a kid
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growing up, the game was played inside out. Now it's
outside in right with everyone in their mama shooting three points.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah, if you can't hit the three ball and you
can't hit the three ball at thirty three percent or better?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
What you what are you doing? You know?
Speaker 1 (08:37):
It's a shooters league now you could You should be
able to be a guy who could play great defense.
And if you could cut to the rim, even if
you didn't have a great shot, you worn't great from downtown,
you'd have a great shot. You could cut to the rim,
you could you could carve yourself out a niche. Uh
you know in the in the I'm not sure Sean
Marion could play in the NBA now, you know what
I mean? Like the way that he played, well, he
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was a great player for that he has. He was
very athletic.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
He had a really awkward shot, Yeah I remember that,
but he was very athletic in his waistban like, I mean, defensively,
you know, hey, he can. You can put him up
with some of the the I guess, the toughest guys.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
He was a great defensive player who could who could
get to the rack, you know, he need to.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
But his three point shot was frankly.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Terrible even you know, and there were years where he
was jacking up four or five of the game and
still barely clipping the thirty percent mark. His first couple
of years in the league, he's had like eighteen and
twenty five percent from downtown.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
I'm like what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
It's like a guy like that who was a phenomenal athlete,
an excellent defensive player, and he'd be an afterthought in
the modern game.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
He came in because he came in. He came in
in ninety nine, right, and he was done.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I mean, you know, I mean, he'd been done for
a few years, but he got the he got the
extra extra bag on the way out night.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
He mad at him for it.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
But you know, wait, why do you say he would
be an.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Afterthought because he can't shoot from outside. He's a small
forward to couldn' hit the three ball. What are you
gonna do as long as name me a small forward,
I can't shoot.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Right now, that's in the league. Well I can't name me,
but but I did. If you if you can't shoot
the three, that doesn't necessarily mean that you can't play
in the NBA because you got the mid range game. Right.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Nobody, the analytics, they don't don't even don't even bother
with midrangehots. I mean, I know Chris Paul likes to
you know, still at the top of the key up,
but nobody does the midrange game anymore.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Ever, it's it's outside in like you were talking about.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Man, you want to talk about like mid range game
and no one. I got a perfect guy, Demargin Rosen. Okay,
that's mid.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Mid range no one guy.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
I don't care, but but but he's efficient. If more,
how about this, if Michael Porter Junior had the same
mid range game like Demargin Rosen, that dude would be
unstoppable with his size and his length. Come on, man,
don't dump on the mid range game. Because I know
everyone loves the three point shot. They love the three
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point shot.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I knew, But I mean, if if DeRozan could hit
the three ball, he would be one of the most
prolific scores History's average is twenty five a game without
being able to hit it.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
I mean, he's a he's one.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Of thirty ish percent three point shooter for his correctity,
but he understands his will house where he lives. But
the problem is, like that shot is so inefficient, like
over time, it doesn't even matter if you're clipping fifty
percent of your twos. If you're hitting thirty percent of
your threes, you're gonna you're gonna win the game. I
just just from a sheer mathematical standpoint, right and that
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I mean.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
I appreciate it threes more than you know.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I'm talking abot both sides of my mouth right now,
because like really like I understand what you're saying. And
if you have that shot and you can make that cool,
like you, there's value there. The problem is that modern analytics,
no offense is constructed to feature that. Well, how many
guys in NBA, even though.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
They only really have like thirty guys that playway.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
There's a number of guys who can shoot three point shots,
shoots the three, but no one is shooting from a
volume standpoint like a steph Curry. There's very limited amount
of guys who have that rate of I.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Mean his yeah, and his I mean his volume is
even higher than everybody else. But your average, like your
average two or your three, they're jacking up five six
threes a game.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
But that's this is why I love DeMar de Rozan's
game because it's so old school throwback. Because could you
average is three and a half a game, you can
get the old school three point shot, like the mid
range games got power, you're going you're going to.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
You're getting the three points that way, which which is
where he's which is where he's kind of made his
living an eighty four percent free throw shooter with you know,
getting seven attempts a game.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Listen, if if you're coaching in the NBA, oh betty,
if you are Michael Malone and you have a player
that can is that efficient, you're taking that, I mean
you're taking point.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
You're taking an efficient scorer like that.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
But it was like it requires rewiring off because everybody's
pacing space now right.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Everybody's up tempo with with jacking up the three points.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
It's a hybrid of like what D'Antoni ran in that
seven seconds offense.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
They Okay, those D'Antoni.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Teams, they could score, but they couldn't defend this defense.
No defense, right, that's why you know.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I mean you had Steve Nash at the point, I mean,
bless his heart, one of the one of the most
exciting passers, and of course could score, but uh, Steve
Nash couldn't play a liquord defense.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Like that's like watching you know, the Big twelve play. Yeah, no,
was no was stopping it.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Like it was just funny watching because I mean those
Phoenix teams were so fun to watch. And speaking of
Sean Mary, I mean you had and all the players
they had on those teams. He had Nash, Roger Bell,
he had Abosa Borist Gia could play any one of
those positions. You had Sewn Marry Joe Johnson was on
a couple of those teams. They and they never.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Close. That is nuts.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Oh it's so funny to look at.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
But I mean D'Antoni revolutionized because then everybody went up tempo,
and then you had, you know, these other teams that
started realizing, hey we spread it out, start start start
shooting these three pointers. We get all shooters and just
keep jacking up threes, we're gonna win games. And that's
where the modern games because remember when it was ISO
basketball before.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Now you have everyone's shooting three point shots.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Which he's gone the other way.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
It's the pendulum swung too far the other direction. Yes,
it's just like some of those some of the games
I watched and it was like, whatever, man, this is
boring as hell.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
That was like basketball we grew up with.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
No, it's not because I mean you and I grew
up with.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I mean, you know, you know, I basically grew up
with the Lakers and the bad boy Pittings and the Pager.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yeah. I love that. That was my team Boston.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
But those teams like through that era, you know where
you play dirty defense to the Knicks, those dirty Knicks
teams like to call it dirty defense.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
I like to just call it, well, I don't mean dirty.
I don't mean it derogatorily. I called it dirty defense.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
It's like it'd be dirty now talking about Zadier McDaniel
left there throwing elbows, Charles basketball was truly basmcdce tale
Davis like you had, you had a hard noses.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Thing is a hard fire, right, you knew what was
called you went to the room the rim.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
You knew it was now you know nowadays you go
to the rim like that, Oh you know, a little
touch foul on the way up.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Whatever, So you got you know, Davis has got you.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
A choke hold is your And just remember like Bier
and Beard, just coming down with both hands, small.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
People elbows slinging out elbows. How many technical fouls did
he wreck up with those? Elegant man, he was luted
before Luda was bos.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
That is basketball. What I'm watching now is something unrecognizable,
the bleaming of European balls.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
You know, it's just all the euro stuff. I blame you.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
This is your fault fever basketball.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Grant loves it. Yes, he was a big Deno Roger fan.
Was that shrimp. Oh Tony coach chases of this?
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Hey, I loved me some Tony Cook coach many left
handed growing up.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
That dude could stroke.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
He does.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Patrick was.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Patrick was the funniest player to watch, speaking of no defense,
He's just.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Running down of the court, stand at the wing, wait
for the ball. That was his whole game, His.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Entire games of.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Dropping dropping ball.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Yes, yes, that's what The teams were built that way,
where they had guys who. This was kind of their
special team. But back then they also played the little defense,
well they did of defense.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
I Uh, it's funny because there's so many players that
I wonder if they were played in the wrong era,
like who Rachel of Friends or those guys are built
for the modern game now versus you know, like throwback stuff,
Terry you go all the way back to like Terry Porter.
You can find guys on the you know they were
built for They need to mic away Johns O man, yes,
(16:36):
just saying yes now I'm thirsty.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
NFL six pack is next.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Thanks to Steve Atwater for joining us in the first hour, right,
Michael for joining us earlierf you guys missed any of
that Broncos, Country Night, dot Com, Slash Podcast, all the
other places you get your podcasts.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Totally nailed that one. There, Time for the NFL six packs.
Time for the NFL. I'm gonna at insight, insight information
you can't anywhere else. The top six NFL headline. What
he did kind of sound like Tally there here. Now wait,
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that's the other one. Shaman Davis's time is up.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
In Washington, the commanders announced they've waved to the twenty
twenty one first round pick. Today, Davis moved from linebacker
defensive at hand after the team broughad a new head coach,
Dan Quinn.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
This season, Davis had minimal impact.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
In his five appearances, He had two hundred and sixty
nine tackles, seven sacks, have picked two.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Forced fumbles to fumble recovers. During his first three seasons
with the team, wore five Commanders first round.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Picks from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty two, and he
was the last one still on the team's roster. Was
pretty good as a as a linebacker, not really good
as a defensive ends.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
The Broncos maybe take a look at the former first rounder.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Camel You always want to take a look around the
league and see what are the players that teams are
parting ways with. And he's trying to add depth and
and get better. And just because that means that the
Broncos could look at the player, that doesn't necessarily mean
that he currently fits what they want to do. I mean,
look at Kwan Alexander. That was kind of a guy
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at the beginning the season that no one probably predicted
with be on the Broncos roster and playing, you know,
quality minutes. But but he is so Yeah, I'm sure
they're looking, they're seeing, they're talking to one another, breaking
down the film, trying to see if he would work
and if he does and there's a spot for him. Yeah,
you think about it, and maybe you get signed into
a futures deal. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
I you know, I'm always.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Kind of eyeballing former first round athletic types that you know,
maybe didn't fit within the scheme of what someone else
was doing and had been productive before. He's been productive.
I just did not fit what they were trying to
do in Washington at all. You know, we should do
just call it coach mcdonnald and see see what the
deals he is there.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Maybe we get him on over here to Cooper.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Cup on trade speculation, says, I'm aware of it, but
I'm gonna be with my feet. Are Cups set to
return of the field Thursday night, for the question is
whether the lead his final game with the Rams. Rams
are portly spoken to multiple teams about trading Cup. Up
said today the Rams are not spoking to him or
his reps about the possibility of trading him.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Nothing really.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Cup said by Adam Grossbard the Orange County Register that
time of the year, is gonna be a rumors things
to go around. I'll let that stuff as much as
I can, just be in the background. Cuff says he's
heard the trade chatter, but he knows he has no
control over the Rams decision, saying I'm aware of it.
At the end of the day, I'm gonna be where
my feet are. Cup is the NFL's Offensive Player of
the Year in twenty twenty one, after leading the league
in catches with one hundred and forty five, receiving yards
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of the finals of nine hundred and forty seven and
touchdowns with sixteen played twenty three games since making total
of one hundred and fifty two catches for sixteen hundred
ninety six yards and twelve touchdowns. I'm told Cooper Cup
is not an option here in Denver, although Tampa might
be very interested in him. What do we think about
the possibility of the Rams moving on from Cooper Cupp?
Speaker 2 (19:52):
And before I finished that sentence, let me say that the.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Rumors about trading Matt Stafford are absolutely below me.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Well, I'll say this. Every team is always looking to
trade players and getting closer to the trade dayline. You
talk to players, players of representation. You talk to other
teams just to kick the tires and see if we
were considering trading this guy, what would you be willing
to give us four head?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
These are some of the conversations.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
And I mean you mentioned Tampa Bay who Mike Evans
went down, Chris Gollan went down the.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Way he's got experience with offensive coordinator Liam Cohen, right, and.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Then also in San Francisco. And you know, teams normally
don't trade within the division, but the San Francisco is
kind of banged up a literally from the wide receiver
position themselves. But for me, there are two teams that
stick out, Kansas City and the Baltimore Ratings. Those are
the two teams that well, once again, Brett Beach his
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he's turned water into wine. So I'm not gonna put
anything pass the Kansasity Chiefs, but those are the two
teams that I would say that would be best suited
for a veteran wide receiver like Cooper cut Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Again, I was still to keep your eye on Tampa
and that one. I wouldn't sleep on Pittsburgh either.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I mean, they have been shopping for another receivers, so
somebody to kind of keep your eye on their maloney
trade rumors Alvin Kamara, who people made up out of
nowhere saying that he was his sources had told him
that he wanted to be trade.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I don't see you saw this.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
The other day some guy from some fantasy football website
said some source told him that Alvin Kamara wanted to
be traded and requested to trade.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Kamara quote tweeted and said this was baloney.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
And that he was on his way to the Tennessee
Balls game at the moment.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Wanted to be a Saint for life.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Well, Saints officially don't want to trade him, and it
looks like they're making him that way. Via Markgret Mike
Garfolav NFL Media. Saints and Kamara have worked out a
new deal that extends this today through twenty twenty six.
Kamara was under contract through twenty twenty five, but it
was a phony money deal that had a pet balloon
p baggage of twenty five million for the final season
now to make less one a two year deal twenty
four and a half million then he was due to
make on the old deal, but he was never going
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to get that twenty five million anyway. I think We
all know that, and the number was all about booting
the annual new money average of his old contract.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
The new contracts technically.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Negative money apy, but again, last year was not the
last year that deal was not real. Say, it's keeping
Kamara up beyond twenty twenty four, which obviously removes any
incentive to training before November fifth, when the window closes.
What do we think about Alvin Kamara extending his stay
with Torren Saints.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
It wasn't been good for him. But I'm gonna tell
you this. When I watched the game last week Thursday,
you can tell Kamara was frustrated because he continued to
look over at the sideline every time they were not
productive offensively and kind of kind of make gestures like
give me the ball, be a little more creative. And
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there was something that happened after the game that I
kind of retweeted my Girlfolo's tweet because I said, well,
there was something I saw, and that was the embrace
of Sean Payton.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Ryan was a great embrace, and I.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Was like, I wonder if Kamara whispered into Sean Payton's
ear come get me.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Well, some people were speculating that I'm not.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Gonna, hey, listen the speculation or not.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
I know what I saw well, and I'm seeing now
as him signing signing a deal to stay in Orlean,
and I am saying or suggesting this is just in
my opinion, maybe that help speed things facilitate.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
I'm just saying that the social lubricants, as it were.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Four The staggered doubleheader the Monday night featured one game
on broadcast cable and the other on the ESPN streaming service,
resulted in probably not surprisingly, less than stellar audience members
for the game that was streamed between the Chargers and
the Cardinals. ESPN didn't mention the audience numbers and its
press release for the week seven Monday night football games,
and for a good reason for a source with knowledge
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of the data, the game attracted an audience of one
point eight million, and that includes those who watched via
over the air channels in the local markets of Phoenix
and Los Angeles. Nowadays, one point eight million isn't a
bad number for a sporting event, but it is an
awful number for an NFL game, and probably why ESPN
did not mention the audience numbers. The Chargins, Chargers and
Cardinals hopefully that number was low enough not to get
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ESPN to do another stagger doubleheader with one of them
streaming only on ESPN plus you and I got to
talk to a business owner firsthand who was extremely frustrated
that he was unable to show that game on television
at his Monday at his bar for Monday night football.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Yeah, he was hotter than fist grief as you would
call it. And listen. I get the idea of putting
the game out and trying to take advantage of multiple views,
but sometimes you have to allow the fan base to
absorb that one game. And on Sundays, I know they play,
there's a lot of games going on, but Monday nighting.
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And you've brought this up, and I've had some chance
to kind of reflect on it and change my opinion.
It may be a little too much, right maybe just
oversaturated in the league's thinking we're too big to fail
right now, that's to be indicator.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Million for an NFL games horrendous relatively speaking in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
I mean, you know, one point eight million.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Most people would love to see that, especially on a
stream only thing, but for an NFL game, that is
absolutely abysmal.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Five guys come good news on Deebo Samuel.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
According to multiple reports, Samuel's been discharged from the hospital.
He left Sunday's lost the Chiefs with an illness, went
to the hospital later that night. I coach Kyle Shanahan
said Samuel had fluid in his lungs, described his position
as pneumonia. Basically what I was at with for the
last week, and it was awful, let me tell you.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Shanna had said.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
The team will see how Samuel recovers of the coming days.
They also lost brand and Ayuk to a season ning
knee injury on Sunday played the entire game without Juwan.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Jennings, who has a hip issue.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
So any good health news for their sceiving course probably
welcome with open.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Arms for Niners fans. One day's practice, we'll give us
our next update where.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Things stand with Samuel, Jennings and the other injured Niners
heading into this week's game against the Cowboys. I'm told
it'll be a no go for McCaffrey, who should be
back after the bye week for.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
The Niners and not with the Cowboys game.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
So as far as Debo and Juwan, Denny's go were
amaze to be seen, but I will tell you I
just like for me, I spent a couple of days
in hospital with the fluid in the lungs.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
It ain't it ain't fun.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
No, it's not a picnic. I've never had a hat
into me, but I've had individuals talk about it, and
once again, football players are people too, and they are
open to having these situations happened to them. And San
Francisco they've they've been the team that's been aligned by injuries,
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and that's probably gonna threaten how far they go into
the playoffs, because I mean before the season started they
were odds on favorite of facing Kansas City again. Right now,
looks like Kansas City is out there by themselves.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yeah, Kansas City's cruising and cruising out to six and
Izero probably, And if you look at the schedule that
they've got ahead of my you know, the Broncos play
him here in a couple of weeks, but it doesn't
look like there's really a loss on their schedule. Anything
that's looming is something that's a big loss for Kansas.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
City coming up.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
They would take them, you know, getting surprised, I would think,
and certainly the sportsbooks looking surprised as well.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Sick.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Speaking of teams of Broncos.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Playing, the Panthers announced a quarterback, Andy Dalton, was involved
in a car accident in Charlotte today. Teams spokes are
been said that Dalton was driving with his wife, three children,
and the family dog when the accident happened. No one
was transported to the hospital by emergency medical services, but
team medical.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Personnel are evaluating Andy Dalton.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Panthers scheduled to practice on Wednesday that should bring further
updates for his condition. Dalton was installed as the team
starting quarterback in Week three, and head coach Dave Canalis
reaffirmed he will be in that position again in Week
eight despite Sunday's forty to seven loss to the Washington Commanders.
As the Panthers travel out here to Denver to take
on the Broncos. I guess, I mean, we all hope
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that adult's okay, if you'd ever want somebody to not
be okay. But if you're the Broncos fan, would you
rather face Andy Dalton or Bryce Young or does it
even matter?
Speaker 3 (27:40):
I mean, obviously you rather face Bryce Young because I
don't want to say there's anything such thing as a
easy wins, But Bryce Young having his issues, of course
you want to be able to go after him. Because
Andy Dalton, even though he's in the back of row,
he was once a first round drafts show, the first round,
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the second round draft shows. But he was a guy
that you know, helped the Cincinnati Bengals actually get to
the playoffs, someone who Grant Smith Is knows and knows
very well, so he knows what Andy Dalton, the red
rifle is capable of love. But obviously if Peter dem Broncos,
you would read the face Bryce Young, who is still
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working his way into being an NFL quarterback.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, I think I think you'd rather have the younger
guy who got managed than the steady veteran like like
Andy Dalton.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Despite I mean, you know, the Panthers are decimated football team.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
It's not like they're coming into this thing with any
sort of with any sort of health or momentum. They've
been a football team that's not been able to put
points on the board.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
They've not been able to stop anybody. It's just been bad.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
And I feel for, you know, for Dave Canalis, who's
taking over what looks like a pretty major rebuild here.
They have some pieces here there. I mean Ningo Lagett
and Deontay Johnson. His receiving court doesn't look that bad.
The offensive line isn't very good. They haven'ten able to
get the one game going with with Hubbard and Sanders,
and they're supposed to get Jonathan Books back but haven't yet.
The defense has been decimated across the board, and it's
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just it's just a football team. That's that's just kind
of reeling, uh for being honest about it. Although they
do have Johnny Hecker, the the punter who can do
trick plays and throw the ball and all that kind
of stuff.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
That's not going to help them.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah, well they might need it.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
They might need a punter who can do trick plays.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
They might be the most offensive, not the youngest large.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah that might that might be. I don't know anyway.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
I just I'm trying to find a way to make
sure I don't fall in the trap of overlooking this game.
But the really closer guests, the more I'm like, what
are the Panthers going to do here?
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Well, the idea is for the Panthers is to go
out and compete, because every game is the time to
evaluate your players.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
And Nope, there's not.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
A single player that wants to go out and don't
perform well. And for a lot of those guys sometimes,
I mean, you're playing for jobs. You mentioned Dave canelis
a young coach who's still trying to evaluate which guys
are playing hard because this is the time, excellent time
to do some internal evaluation, because when teams know that
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they go into any given game and they're under the
gun and they're not really favorite, they're like huge underdogs,
you get a chance to see which players continue to
play like they're playing for something, and those are the
players that you want to have around on your team,
and that's how you rebuild the culture. And that's where
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the Carolina Panthers are now. Maybe a year or two
years from now, the team would be different, they would
have more of a solid culture. But right now they're
struggling to find their way. They don't know who's going
to be their starting quarterback, and they're trying to work
through those issues.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Oh yeah, Dalton is not the long term answer for
the Panthers. A slice of the questions whether or not
Bryce Young is, and with him getting benched, you kind
of figure they've sort of made a decision on that
The only quarterback they even have on the practice squad
is Jack Plumber, and he's never shown anything that he
would be any kind of starting caliber quarterback. If he was,
he'd be active off the practice squad or even starting.
So to me, it looks like that this is a
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we're just you know, we're just trying.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
To get through this year. I'm evaluating these rosters that kind.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Of thing before we put together the squad that we
think we would have put together for the future.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Well, you know what, man, I feel for Bryce Young
because he's in a situation that is not conducer for him.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Well, right on several levels.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
First of all, the culture of the organizations saying, well,
you traded away all kinds of stuff to go get him,
and then what are you gonna put around him because
you gutted yourself to get him.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Yeah, but then you mentioned him because he's not performing
well and you didn't really give him assets to perform.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Well, I mean, I think can Alice saw and I
think I don't think he's a fit for what it
is that they want to do. It doesn't mean because
I do believe that there are several teams looking their
chops to go get him. You know, and put him
in line Dallas being.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
One of them. But I don't think. I think he's
probably done Carolina.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
I would say unless something wild happened, I would agree
with that that it's best for them to kind of
part ways let him go and let him go to
a team that is really going to be supportive of
his abilities.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Hope he finds that. Broncos Country tonight
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