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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Chris Thomason coming up in the next hour. Get a
chance to get a little behind the scenes from Chris
Thomason work to the Denver Giz. I'd always love having
him on the show.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I really thought he was going to be the one
to ask the Russell Wilson question. The way it sounded
like Parker Parker gabriel first question of the press.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Con lost my money. I bet on someone else. I
bet on someone much shorter. I'm a terrible all right,
I'm a terrible even believe.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
It at that.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Oh yeah, that joke I made which I cannot make
on the air last night. Yeah, anyway, show between the show,
just Sam Patser Tan was on his podcast with Tarry
and Arnold talked about that. Uh, I'm using air quotes
here in the studio DP I call at the end
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of the game, Jackson, do you roll out to the right?
Throws it up against my dog Riley Rody.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
He's in perfect position and the perfect coverage the ball
on the throne. Ain't much you could do but to
play the ball. He did the right thing, turn around,
play the ball and if you freeze frame it. When
he turned around, the receiver was mugging him like, damn
near choking choking my dog out booth. So what's crazy
is the riff? The initial riff right there? He say, incomplete, incomplete,
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you know what I mean? Good play whatsoever? The far
back line judge by the end zone launched that flab
boy coryupt Broun. I say when I say, I let
his ass half a dog, listen, I ain't gonna lie.
I ain't gonna say what I said, but I had
a strong.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Choice of words.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Now, I mean he heard that.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
I'm pretty sure his feelings still hurt as refs.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
I ain't gonna I ain't gonna tell you how to
do your job. But at the end of the day, man,
in these crucial moments when uh dB is in a
position to make play and he does the right way,
Like how y'all teach it? You know how we have
those those videos before the season, yep, And how the
risk you know described us how to how to play
the ball.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
I know you sat in on that meeting when they came.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
I don't know what it is, bro, but it feels like,
indeed you already know dbs bro, Like we give up
a play, we get screwtinized, you know what I mean,
And it's like, what's so much we could do? Like
he turned around, made the play, and that's like in
that situation and make us feel handicapped, Like you know
what I mean, you tell us to turn around, make
a play on the ball. He did that in the
exact moment, turn around at the right time, and boom
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he gets a flag drawn on him.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
So it's like it's like TICKI tak calls man.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
So as soon as I turn the game on, Bro,
it's crazy, all I see is Riley Moss.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, I'm watching the play.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
I say, nah, Bro, and I know I know what
you being out there, and to feel like Bro, I'm
looking at him like Riley couldn't have played this play
any better undergrown, Oh you turn your head back and you.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Look and what else you supposed to do and if
you if you freeze frame it, Bro, like your receiver.
He was actually like grabbing Riley, you know, while he's
going around like that was like a damn near offense,
the way he was grabbing him.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I'm looking at it in my head.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
I'm like, come on, man, like come on, it's it's
a lot to take away from a game like that.
You know, obviously it wasn't perfect, it wasn't great, you
know what I mean. But when there's a wheeled as.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
A way, yeah, it's patter Tann He's got that great
podcast with Terry ro By the way, you guys haven't
heard that, the part where he breaks down that one
touchdown DeVante Adams had on him a couple of years
ago when when he was with the Raiders. It's probably
like it's great because the way they do it is humorous.
I mean, like, I know how upset he was at
the time, because I remember I was in that locker
of my song. He's like, he was like, do not
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talk to me? And Pastors has never been like that.
But how he handles it down, like how he laughs
at it and he's like, man, I'm looking back and
the balls on the other side of the field, I.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Probably see.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
The first time I watched that, I was crying laughing
the way they were talking about that playing.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
You know.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I remember that game.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
Pat was still a young player in the league and
that Wednesday I talked to him about that particular play
and I just told him it's gonna happen to the
best of us, or it has happened to the best
of us, and to kind of let it go. But
also told him, I said, well, yeah, it was a
setup from the very beginning, because when you think about
what DeVante was doing, kept running the deep over deep overs,
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he took a cut split inside the numbers minus split,
and he ran the same pattern or what it allegedly
looked like it, but before he crossed the hashes, he
came back out and because PS two had seen so
many of those routes where he was in troub position
playing man coverage, he was like, I'm gonna beat him
to the over and I meeting when he kind of
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started to go across the hash marks, he just took
off and that's all Avanti Adams needed. But you know
he's learned from that and since then he's being the
defensive player of the year. Yeah, so it was a
tough lesson. He learned at that time much better. But
seeing hearing the breakdown of the Raleigh Moss exactly the.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Way you described it back in the day, Like when
we had that conversation after that game, he basically said
it almost I mean, not exactly word for word, I
think you throw a fluimora exploits in there than you had. Yes,
but he I mean, you know it was actually what
it was.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
He like the over, the over, the over.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I was biting the over because they'd been running it
all game and they ran to over return. He didn't get,
you know, he didn't get he didn't crosh the hashes,
and he's like, I turned her around. I don't know
why I crack it up so bad at it because
this is the way like his his incredulity, like he
was one hundred percent committed that it was over.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
And he's I mean, in total honesty. Now I told
pat this. They would have got me just like they
got you, and they would have got a champed Bairey
too everyone because they set it up. Yeah, they someone
in the box took notice of what was happening on
the deep over routes. The safety's in the middle of
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the field, but you can influence him, and they saw
you in the trail position even though you were still
in phase.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
So let's run that same route.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Not.
Speaker 6 (06:13):
I mean, most likely he's going to try to beat
you over the top because you've run like five of these.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Against him, right, He ran eight, okay, and he's and
he's sick and tired.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
Of you catching passes on it because he is a competitor.
He's gonna beat you to the spot because once again
he's reading your split as though you're taught to his split.
But it was just that fraction of a second and
that small little detail where DeVante Adams did not cross
the hashes that was that.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Was a dad giveaway.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
But after having a guy catch eight of those on you,
you're gonna beat him to the spot.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
But he ran eight. I think you only caught like five.
He ran eight of the gate.
Speaker 6 (06:50):
Either way, you were set up and you were trying
to use your instincts in anticipation, and this is where
they use your strength against you.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yeah, this is my welcome to the NFL moment. It's
like I knew was what it was gonna be.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
It's gonna be over.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
I'm waiting trail that I'm gonna catch up to it.
It's turn around and the ball was in the on
the other complete side of the field.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
Yes, and sometimes that that happens to you, because I
mean he also talked about the Roley Moss play, with
which we all gave our comments on it, and he
had some choice words for for for the back judge
as far as what he thought of the call. But
here's what we're going to see from here on now,
especially on Sunday with the CD LAMB. But more importantly,
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George Pickens. You're gonna see Riley get caught in some
double moves. They're gonna double move him. And these two
guys that he's playing this week, especially CD, they are
great at setting up their routes. They're not Devontae Adams, right,
they're not, but they're great at setting up their routes.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
So he's gonna have to make sure he locks in.
Speaker 6 (07:55):
Watch him and see if there's some dead giveaways about
their splits.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
He's gonna be matched up CD most of the game.
Ceed likes to run those intermediate routes. Isn't really the
deep you know, Pickens is the deep ro out guy,
and Pickens you know Moss. All those people that were
complaining about Moss. Moss has had a stellary year so far.
But the one type of receiver he struggles with those big, physical,
you know, fast guys, the long cast, the George Pickens,
those kind of guys, and that's the matchup that's gonna
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be the one to watch there is how well Moss
uh you know, is able to take on Pickens in
clutch moments.
Speaker 6 (08:26):
Well, the reason that you know he's had he's having
issues with guys like that or just DB's have issues
with guys because they're long. And his goals talk a
little like like draft talk. Uh as far as that's concerned.
The catch radius right because you can be in phase
with the guy being able to kind of deflect and
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knock the ball away a guy's handway. But because he
has long arms and he's tall. If something that when
when I played during my days that Randy Moss presented
challenges because you can climb the ladder, but then his
ladder was go go, gadget went to another level because
of his arms.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Exactly.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
That's kind of a guy that George Pickins is all
you have to do. Go back to the game where
he was matched up with Sauce Gardner a couple of
weeks and he gave Sauce yes the butter. Yes, he
gave him the butter for sure. So that is what
Riley's going to have to pay attention to. Look at
the wide receiver splits see what some of the routs
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they like to run out of those splits. But know
that if he has that guy outside the numbers on
top of the numbers, they're going vertical.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
They're trying to stay on that red line.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
So, and what I mean by the red line, if
you ever go to a NFL practice, they actually put
red lines out there on the field outside of the numbers,
so they kind of give the quarterback and receivers.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Some kind of location when they're running the ross. Because
if a wild.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
Receiver is too far out of the numbers and the
quarterback throws a fade route or a go ball and
he starts to fade too much out of.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Bounce right, that's that's the other defender. That's that's the
thirteenth defender. You know what, it was a twelfth defender
as it were. So, uh, the no cod dance says,
good evening, guys. I have a friend who claims you
can tell a great quarterback within the first year in
the NFL. I think it takes three to four years,
which one of us is more accurate. I think you're
I mean, you can you can look and see if
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a guy kind of has it pretty early on you
knew right away. Jade Daniels was something. Andrew luck was
something you know, you knew right away. Peyton Mann. I
mean even that first season they threw all the interceptions,
you still kind of knew you.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Knew something, something was there.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Tom Brady being out there relief of yes, uh uh bled,
so you kind of knew he had something.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
I saw that one personally, that one personally man.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Like.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
But you can't discount somebody either because you could be
a quarterback. It's justn't a bad organization or has a
bad offensive line, you know. Franne Gabert, Yeah, you saw
those guys, right, Gabbert, you knew right away it was
you know, that didn't look right. Paxton Lynch, you knew
that didn't look right.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Some guys, you know, it doesn't look right. Some guys
you could say there they were in bed.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
So you should tell the greats and the guys who
can't play pretty early. But there's a there's a healthy
swatch of guys in the middle there that might be
the wrong organization, might have bad lune. Sam Darnold, you know,
like with the Jets organization, he looked like they look
like garbage.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Daniel Joes It's funny how you made that comparison.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
You could you say swatch, So the first thing I think, okay,
well we kept compare swatches and put him on the
wall like paint. So we take the swatch of the player, like, yeah,
it's not I that's that's a good analogy.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
But but like I mean, there's Daniel Jones or like
Sam Donald's Cheeto, guys that were in bad situations early o. Wow,
they needed you know, they needed the right situation. They
got the right situation. Look at him, take off Arnold
and Danieljennson too. The best quarterback in the lead right now,
Gino Smith had that run there for a couple of
Now this year's been bad, but he didn't run there
for a couple of years. You know, that look pretty good.
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Baker Mayfield the guy that you know you could kind
of see it. But the Cleveland organization that he pounced around.
Speaker 6 (12:19):
A little and he see, first of all, you went
right in the direction that was going because you mentioned
in Cleveland and the planford of quarterbacks that they had,
Like I always felt that Tim Couch could have been
a better quarterback had he gone I had he been
drafted by another team, yeah, and that's the unfortunate part
of the draft process, unlike the NBA. Well, you drafted
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to a team and you a quarterback. Everyone wants you
to be the savior, but you're on a bad team.
I mean, think about where cam Ward find himself right now.
I mean, they already fried your coach, so that staff
is gone. Someone new is gonna come in. You may
or may not be their guy.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
And for a guy who was perceived at the beginning
of his draft process as a can't miss.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
Guy, as a can't miss guy, now he's on the
team in an organization where maybe in the year two
people are gonna call him a bus and that's unfortunate.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
So I do agree that you need at least or
by that third year, no.
Speaker 6 (13:19):
Matter what position the kid the guy plays, you should
know what type of player is by.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
That third year.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Tim Couch his rookie year, you know the guys he
was throwing too, who I don't even remember right now,
Kevin Johnson. If you remember Kevin Johns, Kevin Johnson was
by far the best player on that team. He was
a mediocre receiver, five to eleven guy out of SYRACU.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
She had.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
He had about a seven year career in the league.
I think he finished with five thousand career yards. First,
you know, he was by far the best player that
he was throwing to. The second leading receiver on the
team was Terry Kirby, the running back if you remember him, Yes,
Terry Kirby used to play for the Dolphins. Yeah, they
had a couple of former Dolphins of the team. Cory
By do Jabarro's on that team too. Darren Chevarini No. Second,
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was the second leading receiver and second leading touchdown getter
on that team. See you, Darren Chevariti.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Wow, we used to be like the recruiting coordinator for
to see you both.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Yeah, he's head coaching down there in Texas. I think
some some small school or whatever. Chevarity was in the
league for four years, played for three teams and had
a grand total of six hundred and sixty two yards,
four hundred and eighty seven of which came that year
with Tim Couch. Geez. Darren Chevarini was the other starting
receiver opposite Kevin Johnson. That was that team was brutally
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devoid of talent. And you'll never guess who was the
defensive coordinator on that team. I don't know what I'm thinking, Mike,
we had we had a conversation off the air with
Steve yesterday'z obby.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Slowly really really.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
The head coach was Chris Palmer. Chris Palmer was the
head coach.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
And coach Lowe was the DC DC Wow wow.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Oh that team like they and they had the offense
had a couple of guys on it. The offensive staff
had a couple of guys on it. There were all right,
Ken Wiz and Tony Sparano won that staff, but they
didn't have an OC. Chris Palmer was the head coach
and he was also the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
So what does that? What does that signify?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Palmer went five and twenty seven as a head coach
and never got another sniff, So what does that tell us?
Speaker 6 (15:25):
Though?
Speaker 1 (15:25):
That was a team that had a horrible coaching staff
outside of a few I mean, there were guys on there,
but had a bad coaching staff.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
But what does it tell us about the quarterback position?
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Weight of talent? And it made and it took a
quarterback that you know, looked like he could have been
something and made him look like absolute garbage.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
Yeah, like like some some organizations don't know how to
believe it or not establish culture, right, they don't. It's
kind of a rints and repeat less continue to do
the same thing type of scenario. And it's just like, well,
at what point are you going to learn that what
you did for the past ten years doesn't freaking work?
Speaker 3 (16:02):
But we're gonna keep doing it though.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yep. Kevin Johnson, who was their leading receiver, was the
second was the runner up for Rookie of the Year
that year to Edger and James Wow. And then he
never had another season after that. There was any good
we had a break, we come back. We talk about
Kurt Signetti changing the case college football, Rock us Country night, Nick.
I know you wanted to talk about kurtz Signetti, that
he had that record breaking in a lot of ways. Yeah,
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contract that that Indiana gave him, and I think they
wanted to get that out in front of him before
anybody else tried to steal him away because of the
job that he that he has done there Indiana. He's
done a phenomenal job.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
The Signett fam obviously good friends of our buddy Tim Jenkins,
Tim's quarterbacks coach with the Rams, with the other with
the then Saint Louis Ramps was was Frank Signetti, which
is Kurt's brother. But you know, Kurt doing a great
job up there in Indiana and got that absolutely massive contract. Yeah,
it's pretty simple. I win Google me.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Because there's nothing you could say at that point, right, like,
he's not wrong.
Speaker 6 (17:09):
And based on the contract that Indiana just gave him,
he's locked in for I guess for for years to come.
And I know after James Franklin was fired at Penn State,
which I still think is very ill advised by the
Penn State school being doing that and eliminated James Franklin,
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I mean Signetti ended up being from a from a
verbal standpoint, that was a whisper that Penn State was
going to go after Signetti. So Indiana is like, no,
we're not going to allow that to happen and his contract.
In my opinion, other people may feel different, but it's
going to change how we look at college athletics moving forward.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
He's one of the reasons why.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
Because when you look at what Signetti was able to do,
not just for himself, more importantly for his coaching staff,
because Indiana made sure financially that if any team tries
to pull Signetti from Indiana. It's going to be very
costly for them and for Signetti. But Signetti had like
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guarantees in his contract that the staff salary pool was
not going to be lower than the fifth in the
Big ten or in top ten nationally.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
So that mansures that he.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
Develops coaches and he keeps the coaches, and he's able
to reward those coaches for doing a good job. And
we know this that happens in the NFL because there's
no Coaches Union. You go to the Super Bowl, your
coaching staff and your roster is going to be rated.
That's what's happening. But Indiana with this deal, they make
sure that Signetti has the money, has the pockets to
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be able to do this.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
And oh, by the way, when you think about what
Indiana has done and nil.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
They have one of their biggest boosters who is an
alumnus of Indiana who was from Pittsburgh liked Signetti and
loved Signetti, and Mark Cuban who.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Was donating to the program.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
So that means if you want to compete in today's
landscape of college sports, you're boosters, You're a collective. They
better have deep pockets because if they don't your coaching
staff is.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Gone and your players are gone.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Sagetti was and knows the value that. He was an
assistant coach on Nick Saban's inaugurl staff at Alabama. He
was there for a couple of years. He went on
to IP his first head coaching job, fifty three and
seventeen there. Then he went to Elon, which was in
the Colonial Athletic Association, with fourteen and nine, not his
best work, but immediately got hired at James Madison, where
in five years he proceeded to go fifty two and nine,
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transitioning them from transitioning them from the FCS to the FBS.
The first three years they were scs and then the
FB Yes. The final two years he went eleven and
one and twenty twenty three in the Armed forces. Boy,
he comes into Indiana, which is not exactly a powerhouse
football school. Let's be honest. It goes eleven and two.
It is inaugural year in seven.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
And zero this year. That's crazy.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
And here's the other thing that is going to change
college football is the number of lifestyle perks in his contract.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Ridiculous And it may sound foolish, but I totally get it.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
Like twenty five thousand dollars for a courtesy car, right,
ten thousand dollars an Adidas budget per year?
Speaker 3 (20:36):
How much Adidas stuff are you getting for ten thousand dollars?
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Man?
Speaker 3 (20:40):
How much?
Speaker 6 (20:41):
I mean?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
I haven't bought Adida stuff in a while, so I
couldn't tell you.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
I'm just I mean, he with ten thousand dollars in
one and one fiscal year, you can set the whole
family up, with your brothers, your uncles, even their kids.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
But here's the other thing that was kind of interesting.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
Mills provided at the athletic dining hall facility all included.
So if if Signetti doesn't want to, I don't have
to buy groceries. Yeah, I don't want to buy groceries.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Yeah, all the all the tangential stuff. Like on top
of this, he's almost never gonna have to spend his
salary on it. It's all, you know, he's got clothing
from Adidas and food from the the you know, message
in a car to drive Moraccle, which.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Did not want to deal like this. Why would you
leave Indiana?
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Why you wouldn't And at this point Indiana can't get
rid of him. The university would owe signety one hundred
percent of his remaining contract if it terminates him for
employment without cause. So unless he like Bobby Petrino's it
up or Urban meres it up over here, they would
owe him a full his full deal for the buyout. Now,
the Buiot does have a dollar for dollar offset, but
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does not require him like for instance, Penn State does
with James Franklin to search for a job. Penn State
requires that that that within sixty days, James Franklin has
to be out looking for a job, whereas Signet there's
no there's no provision uh in that whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
And even with that, with James Fraklin, what's that looking
for a job for you go go interview it.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
Someone will probably give him a radio job, I mean
the big the Big ten network may try to give
him up.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Yes, if you're ESPN, go off for Hey, look, we'll
off for you a hundred grand to come in here,
you know, and that's just offset from your salary. So
that's a competitive sald. But you're still gonna get all
your money from Penn State.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
Well, Well, if I'm James Franklin's like, no, you're just
not gonna offer me one hundred grand based on what
he's gonna do.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
I'm making from Pens State.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
He's gonna pull the Russell Wilson with the Steelers, So
I'm gonna play on vet minimum while the Broncos are
paying me.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
No for me, it's like, yo, don't count my money
that I have over here. No, no, no, no, we're
talking new money. Yeah, because people love to go, well,
you know what, you made this over here, so you
won't want this.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
No, I want all my money.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
But Signetty, the way that this contract structured, you know,
good for him, good for his players more portly, good
for him for forcing them to include that in the
contract where he's taking care of his coaches. I can
tell you right now, Ben, and there are a lot
of coaches who don't think that way. They think about themselves,
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but not like what Signetti has done because because you imagine,
if you coach prime, you know, we know where this
year is right now, Let's say next year is entirely different.
What he can go to break George and say, well,
here's what I want for my coaches, especially if at
some point they were able to get themselves in the
college football playoffs and do well.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Yeah, and and and that is like I said that
the perk's great. The coaching pool you mentioned the assistant pool,
that's huge.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Guy.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
If you can't if you can't keep your assistance together,
that's a That's a large part of why dynasties get toppled,
or why coaching staffs. You know, they'll start off, they
keep getting peeled away because everybody wants a piece of
that success and the next thing, you know, you got
no assistance, uh, you know, and going from there. And
so that's that's one of those things that especially young
head coaches struggle with because they usually have their boys
(23:53):
and that's their first staff. And then when they have
success and the boys all get hired somewhere, then we're like, okay,
now what I haven't been around long enough to make
connections to have more guys. I got to go interview
people that I don't know. Is it staff gonna work?
Speaker 6 (24:05):
So so I want you and Grant to tell me
this And if you drive around listening to us, you
can you can send this in as well. If you
landed a coaching job, and it doesn't have to be
your dream job, but you land a coaching job and
they ask you, what is it that you want what
what can we give you to.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Remove you from the current team that you you're with
right now?
Speaker 6 (24:26):
What what do we need to offer you? What would
be some of the things that you guys would ask for.
What would what what I mean I mean money wise
or what other perks or incentives would you ask for?
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Oh, I mean a staff pool would be the biggest, Okay,
to make sure that I can keep you know, keep
them and keep them competitively salaried. Are you talking just
college football? Whatever football? Where there's college football is what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I'm saying I need a guaranteed amount of an eel
money every year as.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Well that the that that that our collective is going
to pony up a certain amount every year that that
would be on there. But personal perks, Yeah, I want
the clothing. I mean, maybe it's not Adidas.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Well like ro Lauren.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
The Walmart playing black tea. We will be the first
university in America completely outfitted by Christian Lubaton.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
We got red bottom cleats. You know, that would be
that would be interesting, you know, having red bottom cleats.
But I like what Grant said that Ben would have
a contract with Walmart where the every game Fresh Press
v neck, black shirts.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Right.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
No logos, yes, no, no logos. Every game a new one.
I'm not wearing the same one, not even for games.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
How about all year loan I would go, I would
have would be the University of logo, right, Yeah, that
that'd be the only the logo I have.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
But a fresh one, not every game, after every shower.
So that's like three every idn't.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Want every day because when I changed, like as thirty,
that's gonna go in a wash. I'm not gonna wear
a shirt that's been warm before.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
What about this?
Speaker 6 (26:01):
What about saying, okay, let's say you're coaching in a
city that has a prominent baseball, basketball, the football team,
saying something that I want either floor seats if it's basketball,
or saying as though I want a suite right for
a football game.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I'm not paying for you guys put that bill. Would
you ask for something like that as I.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Would have a guaranteed number of seats for family or friends,
like a guaranteed number that I get for sure.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
You know, he got like like like twenty or twenty
eight signetti.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
That's ridiculous. I would have asked that road down there.
But I mean I would have a family. I would
have like ten seats every game something like that that
were mine guaranteed minimum. You know, whatever I could get,
I would go for, but ten would be like the minute,
you know that kind of stuff.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
Well, he's got twenty five thousand dollars for a courtesy car.
Would you want a car to take you to and from? What?
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Would you specify? What type of car you want.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
To be rolling You think I'm rolling in?
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Okay, I'm just asking.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I'm just don't pull With all due respect to people
in the listen, don't pull up at the Toyota Corolla.
Just get boys.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Hey, hey, they may just have fantom the dark navigating.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
I'm just saying we got to sell the image of
the university too.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
I get it. I can't have coach rolling around on
the tol he said, and in the in the my mic,
you know, wow, come on, Grant, what you roll around in?
What are you telling them? Hey?
Speaker 6 (27:22):
Man, if you want Grant Smith, Hey, I'm rolling up
in nothing less than what.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
I'm not gonna be driving anything. I'm gonna have driver, Yeah,
driving what exactly?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
M I don't know. I think probably some sort of
beautiful portie s u V.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
You know, case you need to get somewhere fast, but
you're still riding in luxury, so are you getting out
to pump.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Your own gass?
Speaker 1 (27:46):
I don't need to get an I don't need to
get you wear fast, right, I'm the head coach. I
don't need to get anywhere fast. If you're imported enough,
they'll wait for you.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
They're wait they'll wait for Kurt Signetti and then you
just say right exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
That's the line from uh oh gosh, what was it?
Does it get shorty? I think remember when he's drive
it because he gets the he can't get his the
caddy at the at the car rentals, so they wind
up giving him a mini van and he goes to
meet Danny DeVito, and Devido's like, why are you rolling
around in Hollywood? The minivan is slow? You get no speed.
He's like, if you're important enough to wait for you,
I have to go back and watch that.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
But once again, being able to in essence let your
own ticket and set other people up at the same.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Time, I mean, once again, that's the key component.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know Signatty, but big shout out
for him for taking up or taking care of his coaches.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Let me reach out to Tim. See if he can't
reach out to the great finding and get we'll get
him on the show.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Hey, man, it would be great because one thing I.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Was contact information, Like, how did you pull that off?
I think Indiana can from what I understand about this
I talked about. Before Indiana came to him, he hadn't
even gone to them about, you know, because it was
he's in his second year at Idiot.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
But that was all happened because of Franklin being fired.
That sped that up.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I think so, because I think that you know, leveraging
with a yes. So I sorry.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
I heard was that he was sitting in his office
and the AD came by and said, Hey, we want
to talk about your contract situation. Should I reach out
to your agent? And he said yes, And he said
it was done within thirty six hours, that all his
demands were met.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
And this is a dude who didn't get his chance
as a head coach, Like he had to go to
a smaller division school to get his his shot as
a head coach. He went to several smaller division schools.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
And now he's got the best contracts known to man. Yeah,
and he's sixty four years old and only in his
second year in Indiana. He didn't His first job was
at iup at twenty eleven, and then he went to
Elaw and then he went to James Madison for five years,
took them from the FCSDFBS, and now two seasons at
Indiana and he is absolutely crushing I'm just crushing it.
That went at Oregon, man, that was I mean, that's
(29:52):
that's a program changer. He went eleven and two last
year at Indiana in his first year, and he's seven
and zero this year.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
It's eighteen and two at Indiana. And that's what changed it.
Speaker 6 (30:03):
Because once again you have to say, well, would Indiana
have done this, not just if Signetti wasn't there, but
if things hadn't changed with the NIL and the transfer
portal and having a billionaire boosters like Mark Cuban helps
as well.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
And one of those losses last year, by the way,
was in the college football playoffs too, Notre Day, and
the other loss was to Ohio State. Yeah, so this
means that with.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
Nil's now I know a lot of people complaining and
there's a lot to complain about that, this whole contract,
this whole thing we're seeing.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
With Signetti in the time, with him being Indianda.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
It could change college sports or college football for this matter, as.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
We know it. It could change it very much, very much.
One of the other things that he gets in there
is outside marketing and promotional income outside marketing. I saw that. Exactly.
Does that mean he's guaranteed nine point sixty five million
dollars and in endorsements? So this is like the Kawhi leonard. Yeah,
(31:06):
except above board. No, except actually actually legal on. The
only situation here where the university gets anything out of
this is if he leaves for a different job, which
why would you leave that? Yeah, if he leaves for
another job, he would owe fifteen million next year and
(31:29):
twelve million and twenty because it's a buyout, but it's
a staggered buyout, so you know, fifteen million the first year,
twelve million the next year, nine the next four to
the next, to the next one, the next.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
I'm surprised that coach like Nick Saban, who in my opinion,
was forced out of college football because of Nils, How
was it that he did not or his representation did
not come up with a structure like this like this,
Because to me, you got.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Money bags and I have a connection to right Signetti
and Saban.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Was there's a inaug girl staff at Alabama. He was
there for like thre or four years.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah, but saban agent didn't come up with something.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Like this, like, well, Jimmy Sexton, I mean he reps
every college football coach.
Speaker 6 (32:12):
So well, I don't know, well it well, is he
who's repping Signetti? Because if I'm a coach out there
and I'm looking for representation, I want whome evers who
got you know, structured this contract working for me because
look at all these incentives. College coaches don't really get
these types of insensives. And you have the university that
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you're beckon call.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
That's crazy. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
I don't know who Signetti is repped by. I don't
think it's Sexton, but the Sexton reps like percent of
the major collage. Whoever it is.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Hey, you guys need a hollhlight this guy.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
We're getting back into uh Broncos stuff. We've got Chris
Thomason for the Gazette when we come back
Chris Thomason coming up in the next hour. Get a
chance to get a little behind the scenes from Chris
Thomason work to the Denver Giz. I'd always love having
him on the show.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I really thought he was going to be the one
to ask the Russell Wilson question. The way it sounded
like Parker Parker gabriel first question of the press.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Con lost my money. I bet on someone else. I
bet on someone much shorter. I'm a terrible all right,
I'm a terrible even believe.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
It at that.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Oh yeah, that joke I made which I cannot make
on the air last night. Yeah, anyway, show between the show,
just Sam Patser Tan was on his podcast with Tarry
and Arnold talked about that. Uh, I'm using air quotes
here in the studio DP I call at the end
(00:56):
of the game, Jackson, do you roll out to the right?
Throws it up against my dog Riley Rody.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
He's in perfect position and the perfect coverage the ball
on the throne. Ain't much you could do but to
play the ball. He did the right thing, turn around,
play the ball and if you freeze frame it. When
he turned around, the receiver was mugging him like, damn
near choking choking my dog out booth. So what's crazy
is the riff? The initial riff right there? He say, incomplete, incomplete,
(01:26):
you know what I mean? Good play whatsoever? The far
back line judge by the end zone launched that flab
boy coryupt Broun. I say when I say, I let
his ass half a dog, listen, I ain't gonna lie.
I ain't gonna say what I said, but I had
a strong.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Choice of words.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Now, I mean he heard that.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
I'm pretty sure his feelings still hurt as refs.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
I ain't gonna I ain't gonna tell you how to
do your job. But at the end of the day, man,
in these crucial moments when uh dB is in a
position to make play and he does the right way,
Like how y'all teach it? You know how we have
those those videos before the season, yep, And how the
risk you know described us how to how to play
the ball.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
I know you sat in on that meeting when they came.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
I don't know what it is, bro, but it feels like,
indeed you already know dbs bro, Like we give up
a play, we get screwtinized, you know what I mean,
And it's like, what's so much we could do? Like
he turned around, made the play, and that's like in
that situation and make us feel handicapped, Like you know
what I mean, you tell us to turn around, make
a play on the ball. He did that in the
exact moment, turn around at the right time, and boom
(02:36):
he gets a flag drawn on him.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
So it's like it's like TICKI tak calls man.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
So as soon as I turn the game on, Bro,
it's crazy, all I see is Riley Moss.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, I'm watching the play.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
I say, nah, Bro, and I know I know what
you being out there, and to feel like Bro, I'm
looking at him like Riley couldn't have played this play
any better undergrown, Oh you turn your head back and you.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Look and what else you supposed to do and if
you if you freeze frame it, Bro, like your receiver.
He was actually like grabbing Riley, you know, while he's
going around like that was like a damn near offense,
the way he was grabbing him.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I'm looking at it in my head.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
I'm like, come on, man, like come on, it's it's
a lot to take away from a game like that.
You know, obviously it wasn't perfect, it wasn't great, you
know what I mean. But when there's a wheeled as.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
A way, yeah, it's patter Tann He's got that great
podcast with Terry ro By the way, you guys haven't
heard that, the part where he breaks down that one
touchdown DeVante Adams had on him a couple of years
ago when when he was with the Raiders. It's probably
like it's great because the way they do it is humorous.
I mean, like, I know how upset he was at
the time, because I remember I was in that locker
of my song. He's like, he was like, do not
(03:50):
talk to me? And Pastors has never been like that.
But how he handles it down, like how he laughs
at it and he's like, man, I'm looking back and
the balls on the other side of the field, I.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Probably see.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
The first time I watched that, I was crying laughing
the way they were talking about that playing.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
You know.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I remember that game.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
Pat was still a young player in the league and
that Wednesday I talked to him about that particular play
and I just told him it's gonna happen to the
best of us, or it has happened to the best
of us, and to kind of let it go. But
also told him, I said, well, yeah, it was a
setup from the very beginning, because when you think about
what DeVante was doing, kept running the deep over deep overs,
(04:31):
he took a cut split inside the numbers minus split,
and he ran the same pattern or what it allegedly
looked like it, but before he crossed the hashes, he
came back out and because PS two had seen so
many of those routes where he was in troub position
playing man coverage, he was like, I'm gonna beat him
to the over and I meeting when he kind of
(04:55):
started to go across the hash marks, he just took
off and that's all Avanti Adams needed. But you know
he's learned from that and since then he's being the
defensive player of the year. Yeah, so it was a
tough lesson. He learned at that time much better. But
seeing hearing the breakdown of the Raleigh Moss exactly the.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Way you described it back in the day, Like when
we had that conversation after that game, he basically said
it almost I mean, not exactly word for word, I
think you throw a fluimora exploits in there than you had. Yes,
but he I mean, you know it was actually what
it was.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
He like the over, the over, the over.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I was biting the over because they'd been running it
all game and they ran to over return. He didn't get,
you know, he didn't get he didn't crosh the hashes,
and he's like, I turned her around. I don't know
why I crack it up so bad at it because
this is the way like his his incredulity, like he
was one hundred percent committed that it was over.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
And he's I mean, in total honesty. Now I told
pat this. They would have got me just like they
got you, and they would have got a champed Bairey
too everyone because they set it up. Yeah, they someone
in the box took notice of what was happening on
the deep over routes. The safety's in the middle of
(06:05):
the field, but you can influence him, and they saw
you in the trail position even though you were still
in phase.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
So let's run that same route.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Not.
Speaker 6 (06:13):
I mean, most likely he's going to try to beat
you over the top because you've run like five of these.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Against him, right, He ran eight, okay, and he's and
he's sick and tired.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
Of you catching passes on it because he is a competitor.
He's gonna beat you to the spot because once again
he's reading your split as though you're taught to his split.
But it was just that fraction of a second and
that small little detail where DeVante Adams did not cross
the hashes that was that.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Was a dad giveaway.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
But after having a guy catch eight of those on you,
you're gonna beat him to the spot.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
But he ran eight. I think you only caught like five.
He ran eight of the gate.
Speaker 6 (06:50):
Either way, you were set up and you were trying
to use your instincts in anticipation, and this is where
they use your strength against you.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yeah, this is my welcome to the NFL moment. It's
like I knew was what it was gonna be.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
It's gonna be over.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
I'm waiting trail that I'm gonna catch up to it.
It's turn around and the ball was in the on
the other complete side of the field.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
Yes, and sometimes that that happens to you, because I
mean he also talked about the Roley Moss play, with
which we all gave our comments on it, and he
had some choice words for for for the back judge
as far as what he thought of the call. But
here's what we're going to see from here on now,
especially on Sunday with the CD LAMB. But more importantly,
(07:34):
George Pickens. You're gonna see Riley get caught in some
double moves. They're gonna double move him. And these two
guys that he's playing this week, especially CD, they are
great at setting up their routes. They're not Devontae Adams, right,
they're not, but they're great at setting up their routes.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
So he's gonna have to make sure he locks in.
Speaker 6 (07:55):
Watch him and see if there's some dead giveaways about
their splits.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
He's gonna be matched up CD most of the game.
Ceed likes to run those intermediate routes. Isn't really the
deep you know, Pickens is the deep ro out guy,
and Pickens you know Moss. All those people that were
complaining about Moss. Moss has had a stellary year so far.
But the one type of receiver he struggles with those big, physical,
you know, fast guys, the long cast, the George Pickens,
those kind of guys, and that's the matchup that's gonna
(08:20):
be the one to watch there is how well Moss
uh you know, is able to take on Pickens in
clutch moments.
Speaker 6 (08:26):
Well, the reason that you know he's had he's having
issues with guys like that or just DB's have issues
with guys because they're long. And his goals talk a
little like like draft talk. Uh as far as that's concerned.
The catch radius right because you can be in phase
with the guy being able to kind of deflect and
(08:46):
knock the ball away a guy's handway. But because he
has long arms and he's tall. If something that when
when I played during my days that Randy Moss presented
challenges because you can climb the ladder, but then his
ladder was go go, gadget went to another level because
of his arms.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Exactly.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
That's kind of a guy that George Pickins is all
you have to do. Go back to the game where
he was matched up with Sauce Gardner a couple of
weeks and he gave Sauce yes the butter. Yes, he
gave him the butter for sure. So that is what
Riley's going to have to pay attention to. Look at
the wide receiver splits see what some of the routs
(09:30):
they like to run out of those splits. But know
that if he has that guy outside the numbers on
top of the numbers, they're going vertical.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
They're trying to stay on that red line.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
So, and what I mean by the red line, if
you ever go to a NFL practice, they actually put
red lines out there on the field outside of the numbers,
so they kind of give the quarterback and receivers.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Some kind of location when they're running the ross. Because
if a wild.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
Receiver is too far out of the numbers and the
quarterback throws a fade route or a go ball and
he starts to fade too much out of.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Bounce right, that's that's the other defender. That's that's the
thirteenth defender. You know what, it was a twelfth defender
as it were. So, uh, the no cod dance says,
good evening, guys. I have a friend who claims you
can tell a great quarterback within the first year in
the NFL. I think it takes three to four years,
which one of us is more accurate. I think you're
I mean, you can you can look and see if
(10:27):
a guy kind of has it pretty early on you
knew right away. Jade Daniels was something. Andrew luck was
something you know, you knew right away. Peyton Mann. I
mean even that first season they threw all the interceptions,
you still kind of knew you.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Knew something, something was there.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Tom Brady being out there relief of yes, uh uh bled,
so you kind of knew he had something.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
I saw that one personally, that one personally man.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Like.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
But you can't discount somebody either because you could be
a quarterback. It's justn't a bad organization or has a
bad offensive line, you know. Franne Gabert, Yeah, you saw
those guys, right, Gabbert, you knew right away it was
you know, that didn't look right. Paxton Lynch, you knew
that didn't look right.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Some guys, you know, it doesn't look right. Some guys
you could say there they were in bed.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
So you should tell the greats and the guys who
can't play pretty early. But there's a there's a healthy
swatch of guys in the middle there that might be
the wrong organization, might have bad lune. Sam Darnold, you know,
like with the Jets organization, he looked like they look
like garbage.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Daniel Joes It's funny how you made that comparison.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
You could you say swatch, So the first thing I think, okay,
well we kept compare swatches and put him on the
wall like paint. So we take the swatch of the player, like, yeah,
it's not I that's that's a good analogy.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
But but like I mean, there's Daniel Jones or like
Sam Donald's Cheeto, guys that were in bad situations early o. Wow,
they needed you know, they needed the right situation. They
got the right situation. Look at him, take off Arnold
and Danieljennson too. The best quarterback in the lead right now,
Gino Smith had that run there for a couple of
Now this year's been bad, but he didn't run there
for a couple of years. You know, that look pretty good.
(12:14):
Baker Mayfield the guy that you know you could kind
of see it. But the Cleveland organization that he pounced around.
Speaker 6 (12:19):
A little and he see, first of all, you went
right in the direction that was going because you mentioned
in Cleveland and the planford of quarterbacks that they had,
Like I always felt that Tim Couch could have been
a better quarterback had he gone I had he been
drafted by another team, yeah, and that's the unfortunate part
of the draft process, unlike the NBA. Well, you drafted
(12:41):
to a team and you a quarterback. Everyone wants you
to be the savior, but you're on a bad team.
I mean, think about where cam Ward find himself right now.
I mean, they already fried your coach, so that staff
is gone. Someone new is gonna come in. You may
or may not be their guy.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
And for a guy who was perceived at the beginning
of his draft process as a can't miss.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
Guy, as a can't miss guy, now he's on the
team in an organization where maybe in the year two
people are gonna call him a bus and that's unfortunate.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
So I do agree that you need at least or
by that third year, no.
Speaker 6 (13:19):
Matter what position the kid the guy plays, you should
know what type of player is by.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
That third year.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Tim Couch his rookie year, you know the guys he
was throwing too, who I don't even remember right now,
Kevin Johnson. If you remember Kevin Johns, Kevin Johnson was
by far the best player on that team. He was
a mediocre receiver, five to eleven guy out of SYRACU.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
She had.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
He had about a seven year career in the league.
I think he finished with five thousand career yards. First,
you know, he was by far the best player that
he was throwing to. The second leading receiver on the
team was Terry Kirby, the running back if you remember him, Yes,
Terry Kirby used to play for the Dolphins. Yeah, they
had a couple of former Dolphins of the team. Cory
By do Jabarro's on that team too. Darren Chevarini No. Second,
(14:05):
was the second leading receiver and second leading touchdown getter
on that team. See you, Darren Chevariti.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Wow, we used to be like the recruiting coordinator for
to see you both.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Yeah, he's head coaching down there in Texas. I think
some some small school or whatever. Chevarity was in the
league for four years, played for three teams and had
a grand total of six hundred and sixty two yards,
four hundred and eighty seven of which came that year
with Tim Couch. Geez. Darren Chevarini was the other starting
receiver opposite Kevin Johnson. That was that team was brutally
(14:35):
devoid of talent. And you'll never guess who was the
defensive coordinator on that team. I don't know what I'm thinking, Mike,
we had we had a conversation off the air with
Steve yesterday'z obby.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Slowly really really.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
The head coach was Chris Palmer. Chris Palmer was the
head coach.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
And coach Lowe was the DC DC Wow wow.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Oh that team like they and they had the offense
had a couple of guys on it. The offensive staff
had a couple of guys on it. There were all right,
Ken Wiz and Tony Sparano won that staff, but they
didn't have an OC. Chris Palmer was the head coach
and he was also the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
So what does that? What does that signify?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Palmer went five and twenty seven as a head coach
and never got another sniff, So what does that tell us?
Speaker 6 (15:25):
Though?
Speaker 1 (15:25):
That was a team that had a horrible coaching staff
outside of a few I mean, there were guys on there,
but had a bad coaching staff.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
But what does it tell us about the quarterback position?
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Weight of talent? And it made and it took a
quarterback that you know, looked like he could have been
something and made him look like absolute garbage.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
Yeah, like like some some organizations don't know how to
believe it or not establish culture, right, they don't. It's
kind of a rints and repeat less continue to do
the same thing type of scenario. And it's just like, well,
at what point are you going to learn that what
you did for the past ten years doesn't freaking work?
Speaker 3 (16:02):
But we're gonna keep doing it though.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yep. Kevin Johnson, who was their leading receiver, was the
second was the runner up for Rookie of the Year
that year to Edger and James Wow. And then he
never had another season after that. There was any good
we had a break, we come back. We talk about
Kurt Signetti changing the case college football, Rock us Country night, Nick.
I know you wanted to talk about kurtz Signetti, that
he had that record breaking in a lot of ways. Yeah,
(16:26):
contract that that Indiana gave him, and I think they
wanted to get that out in front of him before
anybody else tried to steal him away because of the
job that he that he has done there Indiana. He's
done a phenomenal job.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
The Signett fam obviously good friends of our buddy Tim Jenkins,
Tim's quarterbacks coach with the Rams, with the other with
the then Saint Louis Ramps was was Frank Signetti, which
is Kurt's brother. But you know, Kurt doing a great
job up there in Indiana and got that absolutely massive contract. Yeah,
it's pretty simple. I win Google me.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Because there's nothing you could say at that point, right, like,
he's not wrong.
Speaker 6 (17:09):
And based on the contract that Indiana just gave him,
he's locked in for I guess for for years to come.
And I know after James Franklin was fired at Penn State,
which I still think is very ill advised by the
Penn State school being doing that and eliminated James Franklin,
(17:29):
I mean Signetti ended up being from a from a
verbal standpoint, that was a whisper that Penn State was
going to go after Signetti. So Indiana is like, no,
we're not going to allow that to happen and his contract.
In my opinion, other people may feel different, but it's
going to change how we look at college athletics moving forward.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
He's one of the reasons why.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
Because when you look at what Signetti was able to do,
not just for himself, more importantly for his coaching staff,
because Indiana made sure financially that if any team tries
to pull Signetti from Indiana. It's going to be very
costly for them and for Signetti. But Signetti had like
(18:11):
guarantees in his contract that the staff salary pool was
not going to be lower than the fifth in the
Big ten or in top ten nationally.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
So that mansures that he.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
Develops coaches and he keeps the coaches, and he's able
to reward those coaches for doing a good job. And
we know this that happens in the NFL because there's
no Coaches Union. You go to the Super Bowl, your
coaching staff and your roster is going to be rated.
That's what's happening. But Indiana with this deal, they make
sure that Signetti has the money, has the pockets to
(18:51):
be able to do this.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
And oh, by the way, when you think about what
Indiana has done and nil.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
They have one of their biggest boosters who is an
alumnus of Indiana who was from Pittsburgh liked Signetti and
loved Signetti, and Mark Cuban who.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Was donating to the program.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
So that means if you want to compete in today's
landscape of college sports, you're boosters, You're a collective. They
better have deep pockets because if they don't your coaching
staff is.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Gone and your players are gone.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Sagetti was and knows the value that. He was an
assistant coach on Nick Saban's inaugurl staff at Alabama. He
was there for a couple of years. He went on
to IP his first head coaching job, fifty three and
seventeen there. Then he went to Elon, which was in
the Colonial Athletic Association, with fourteen and nine, not his
best work, but immediately got hired at James Madison, where
in five years he proceeded to go fifty two and nine,
(19:51):
transitioning them from transitioning them from the FCS to the FBS.
The first three years they were scs and then the
FB Yes. The final two years he went eleven and
one and twenty twenty three in the Armed forces. Boy,
he comes into Indiana, which is not exactly a powerhouse
football school. Let's be honest. It goes eleven and two.
It is inaugural year in seven.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
And zero this year. That's crazy.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
And here's the other thing that is going to change
college football is the number of lifestyle perks in his contract.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Ridiculous And it may sound foolish, but I totally get it.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
Like twenty five thousand dollars for a courtesy car, right,
ten thousand dollars an Adidas budget per year?
Speaker 3 (20:36):
How much Adidas stuff are you getting for ten thousand dollars?
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Man?
Speaker 3 (20:40):
How much?
Speaker 6 (20:41):
I mean?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
I haven't bought Adida stuff in a while, so I
couldn't tell you.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
I'm just I mean, he with ten thousand dollars in
one and one fiscal year, you can set the whole
family up, with your brothers, your uncles, even their kids.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
But here's the other thing that was kind of interesting.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
Mills provided at the athletic dining hall facility all included.
So if if Signetti doesn't want to, I don't have
to buy groceries. Yeah, I don't want to buy groceries.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Yeah, all the all the tangential stuff. Like on top
of this, he's almost never gonna have to spend his
salary on it. It's all, you know, he's got clothing
from Adidas and food from the the you know, message
in a car to drive Moraccle, which.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Did not want to deal like this. Why would you
leave Indiana?
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Why you wouldn't And at this point Indiana can't get
rid of him. The university would owe signety one hundred
percent of his remaining contract if it terminates him for
employment without cause. So unless he like Bobby Petrino's it
up or Urban meres it up over here, they would
owe him a full his full deal for the buyout. Now,
the Buiot does have a dollar for dollar offset, but
(21:43):
does not require him like for instance, Penn State does
with James Franklin to search for a job. Penn State
requires that that that within sixty days, James Franklin has
to be out looking for a job, whereas Signet there's
no there's no provision uh in that whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
And even with that, with James Fraklin, what's that looking
for a job for you go go interview it.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
Someone will probably give him a radio job, I mean
the big the Big ten network may try to give
him up.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Yes, if you're ESPN, go off for Hey, look, we'll
off for you a hundred grand to come in here,
you know, and that's just offset from your salary. So
that's a competitive sald. But you're still gonna get all
your money from Penn State.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
Well, Well, if I'm James Franklin's like, no, you're just
not gonna offer me one hundred grand based on what
he's gonna do.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
I'm making from Pens State.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
He's gonna pull the Russell Wilson with the Steelers, So
I'm gonna play on vet minimum while the Broncos are
paying me.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
No for me, it's like, yo, don't count my money
that I have over here. No, no, no, no, we're
talking new money. Yeah, because people love to go, well,
you know what, you made this over here, so you
won't want this.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
No, I want all my money.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
But Signetty, the way that this contract structured, you know,
good for him, good for his players more portly, good
for him for forcing them to include that in the
contract where he's taking care of his coaches. I can
tell you right now, Ben, and there are a lot
of coaches who don't think that way. They think about themselves,
(23:05):
but not like what Signetti has done because because you imagine,
if you coach prime, you know, we know where this
year is right now, Let's say next year is entirely different.
What he can go to break George and say, well,
here's what I want for my coaches, especially if at
some point they were able to get themselves in the
college football playoffs and do well.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Yeah, and and and that is like I said that
the perk's great. The coaching pool you mentioned the assistant pool,
that's huge.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Guy.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
If you can't if you can't keep your assistance together,
that's a That's a large part of why dynasties get toppled,
or why coaching staffs. You know, they'll start off, they
keep getting peeled away because everybody wants a piece of
that success and the next thing, you know, you got
no assistance, uh, you know, and going from there. And
so that's that's one of those things that especially young
head coaches struggle with because they usually have their boys
(23:53):
and that's their first staff. And then when they have
success and the boys all get hired somewhere, then we're like, okay,
now what I haven't been around long enough to make
connections to have more guys. I got to go interview
people that I don't know. Is it staff gonna work?
Speaker 6 (24:05):
So so I want you and Grant to tell me
this And if you drive around listening to us, you
can you can send this in as well. If you
landed a coaching job, and it doesn't have to be
your dream job, but you land a coaching job and
they ask you, what is it that you want what
what can we give you to.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Remove you from the current team that you you're with
right now?
Speaker 6 (24:26):
What what do we need to offer you? What would
be some of the things that you guys would ask for.
What would what what I mean I mean money wise
or what other perks or incentives would you ask for?
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Oh, I mean a staff pool would be the biggest, Okay,
to make sure that I can keep you know, keep
them and keep them competitively salaried. Are you talking just
college football? Whatever football? Where there's college football is what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I'm saying I need a guaranteed amount of an eel
money every year as.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Well that the that that that our collective is going
to pony up a certain amount every year that that
would be on there. But personal perks, Yeah, I want
the clothing. I mean, maybe it's not Adidas.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Well like ro Lauren.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
The Walmart playing black tea. We will be the first
university in America completely outfitted by Christian Lubaton.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
We got red bottom cleats. You know, that would be
that would be interesting, you know, having red bottom cleats.
But I like what Grant said that Ben would have
a contract with Walmart where the every game Fresh Press
v neck, black shirts.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Right.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
No logos, yes, no, no logos. Every game a new one.
I'm not wearing the same one, not even for games.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
How about all year loan I would go, I would
have would be the University of logo, right, Yeah, that
that'd be the only the logo I have.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
But a fresh one, not every game, after every shower.
So that's like three every idn't.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Want every day because when I changed, like as thirty,
that's gonna go in a wash. I'm not gonna wear
a shirt that's been warm before.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
What about this?
Speaker 6 (26:01):
What about saying, okay, let's say you're coaching in a
city that has a prominent baseball, basketball, the football team,
saying something that I want either floor seats if it's basketball,
or saying as though I want a suite right for
a football game.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I'm not paying for you guys put that bill. Would
you ask for something like that as I.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Would have a guaranteed number of seats for family or friends,
like a guaranteed number that I get for sure.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
You know, he got like like like twenty or twenty
eight signetti.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
That's ridiculous. I would have asked that road down there.
But I mean I would have a family. I would
have like ten seats every game something like that that
were mine guaranteed minimum. You know, whatever I could get,
I would go for, but ten would be like the minute,
you know that kind of stuff.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
Well, he's got twenty five thousand dollars for a courtesy car.
Would you want a car to take you to and from? What?
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Would you specify? What type of car you want.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
To be rolling You think I'm rolling in?
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Okay, I'm just asking.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I'm just don't pull With all due respect to people
in the listen, don't pull up at the Toyota Corolla.
Just get boys.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Hey, hey, they may just have fantom the dark navigating.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
I'm just saying we got to sell the image of
the university too.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
I get it. I can't have coach rolling around on
the tol he said, and in the in the my mic,
you know, wow, come on, Grant, what you roll around in?
What are you telling them? Hey?
Speaker 6 (27:22):
Man, if you want Grant Smith, Hey, I'm rolling up
in nothing less than what.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
I'm not gonna be driving anything. I'm gonna have driver, Yeah,
driving what exactly?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
M I don't know. I think probably some sort of
beautiful portie s u V.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
You know, case you need to get somewhere fast, but
you're still riding in luxury, so are you getting out
to pump.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Your own gass?
Speaker 1 (27:46):
I don't need to get an I don't need to
get you wear fast, right, I'm the head coach. I
don't need to get anywhere fast. If you're imported enough,
they'll wait for you.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
They're wait they'll wait for Kurt Signetti and then you
just say right exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
That's the line from uh oh gosh, what was it?
Does it get shorty? I think remember when he's drive
it because he gets the he can't get his the
caddy at the at the car rentals, so they wind
up giving him a mini van and he goes to
meet Danny DeVito, and Devido's like, why are you rolling
around in Hollywood? The minivan is slow? You get no speed.
He's like, if you're important enough to wait for you,
I have to go back and watch that.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
But once again, being able to in essence let your
own ticket and set other people up at the same.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Time, I mean, once again, that's the key component.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know Signatty, but big shout out
for him for taking up or taking care of his coaches.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Let me reach out to Tim. See if he can't
reach out to the great finding and get we'll get
him on the show.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Hey, man, it would be great because one thing I.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Was contact information, Like, how did you pull that off?
I think Indiana can from what I understand about this
I talked about. Before Indiana came to him, he hadn't
even gone to them about, you know, because it was
he's in his second year at Idiot.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
But that was all happened because of Franklin being fired.
That sped that up.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I think so, because I think that you know, leveraging
with a yes. So I sorry.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
I heard was that he was sitting in his office
and the AD came by and said, Hey, we want
to talk about your contract situation. Should I reach out
to your agent? And he said yes, And he said
it was done within thirty six hours, that all his
demands were met.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
And this is a dude who didn't get his chance
as a head coach, Like he had to go to
a smaller division school to get his his shot as
a head coach. He went to several smaller division schools.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
And now he's got the best contracts known to man. Yeah,
and he's sixty four years old and only in his
second year in Indiana. He didn't His first job was
at iup at twenty eleven, and then he went to
Elaw and then he went to James Madison for five years,
took them from the FCSDFBS, and now two seasons at
Indiana and he is absolutely crushing I'm just crushing it.
That went at Oregon, man, that was I mean, that's
(29:52):
that's a program changer. He went eleven and two last
year at Indiana in his first year, and he's seven
and zero this year.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
It's eighteen and two at Indiana. And that's what changed it.
Speaker 6 (30:03):
Because once again you have to say, well, would Indiana
have done this, not just if Signetti wasn't there, but
if things hadn't changed with the NIL and the transfer
portal and having a billionaire boosters like Mark Cuban helps
as well.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
And one of those losses last year, by the way,
was in the college football playoffs too, Notre Day, and
the other loss was to Ohio State. Yeah, so this
means that with.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
Nil's now I know a lot of people complaining and
there's a lot to complain about that, this whole contract,
this whole thing we're seeing.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
With Signetti in the time, with him being Indianda.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
It could change college sports or college football for this matter, as.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
We know it. It could change it very much, very much.
One of the other things that he gets in there
is outside marketing and promotional income outside marketing. I saw that. Exactly.
Does that mean he's guaranteed nine point sixty five million
dollars and in endorsements? So this is like the Kawhi leonard. Yeah,
(31:06):
except above board. No, except actually actually legal on. The
only situation here where the university gets anything out of
this is if he leaves for a different job, which
why would you leave that? Yeah, if he leaves for
another job, he would owe fifteen million next year and
(31:29):
twelve million and twenty because it's a buyout, but it's
a staggered buyout, so you know, fifteen million the first year,
twelve million the next year, nine the next four to
the next, to the next one, the next.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
I'm surprised that coach like Nick Saban, who in my opinion,
was forced out of college football because of Nils, How
was it that he did not or his representation did
not come up with a structure like this like this,
Because to me, you got.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Money bags and I have a connection to right Signetti
and Saban.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Was there's a inaug girl staff at Alabama. He was
there for like thre or four years.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah, but saban agent didn't come up with something.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Like this, like, well, Jimmy Sexton, I mean he reps
every college football coach.
Speaker 6 (32:12):
So well, I don't know, well it well, is he
who's repping Signetti? Because if I'm a coach out there
and I'm looking for representation, I want whome evers who
got you know, structured this contract working for me because
look at all these incentives. College coaches don't really get
these types of insensives. And you have the university that
(32:33):
you're beckon call.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
That's crazy. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
I don't know who Signetti is repped by. I don't
think it's Sexton, but the Sexton reps like percent of
the major collage. Whoever it is.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Hey, you guys need a hollhlight this guy.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
We're getting back into uh Broncos stuff. We've got Chris
Thomason for the Gazette when we come back
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