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Speaker 1 (00:00):
There's a lot to really talk about this upcoming game
this weekend between the Texans and the Denver Broncos. And
the one thing that stands out to me is what
is life for the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I want to say after PS two.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
But with PSU being down a couple of weeks, what
does that actually look like?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Then?
Speaker 4 (00:23):
Well, Abrams Drain's gonna get the first chance to step
up and be the battery corner Shadao get, you know,
get more rotation. But they like him in that that
slot tight end mismash, you know, kind of role that
they've gotten. And he's quarterbacks are over free with, you know,
with the interception thrown against him on that, so.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
You know they kind of they kind of like that.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
I it's just gonna be interesting because you know, I
made the joke that nobody's happy that PS two went down.
But the one guy who's kind of like might be
Riley Moss because people are gonna target Abrams Drain now
instead of Riley Moss, who's the most targeted corner in
the NFL. They're going to test Abrams Drain and see
if they can't get stuff on him. Not necessarily a
good thing, but a you know, kind of funny joke,
(01:01):
but I think what really the real pressure here. I
mean there's pressure on Abe straight and all that, but
the real pressure is on the front seven. You've got
to get home now, You've got to affect the throw.
You've got to be able to be disruptive. If you're
able to do that, that's going to give these uh,
these other corners a chance to play their best and
be their best, and you know, hopefully the Broncos are
(01:21):
able to, you know, are able to capitalize off that.
I think my concern is that opens up the whole field.
You know, when PS two is out there, you just
didn't throw to that side. You might have thrown short,
you know, quick hitch something like that, but you're not
You're not really throwing to that side. Now the whole
field's in play. And does that change things for this defense? Yeah,
(01:42):
it changes a lot. It changes a lot as far
as what.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Bess Joseph, the defensive coordinator, could actually call and things
that he can actually lean.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
On in his pressure package.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Well they used to, yeah, because Satan takes away half
the field over there, they start doing so you got
some exotic stuff where they dropped Cooper or Benito back
into his own you know that in that side of
the field you throw to, and we saw guys getting
hands on the ball, probably not doing that as much
with Tartana out there.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I don't want to say ben that you're not going
to do it.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
You may not do it as much because when we
look at this Broncos team, and he said, well, last
year and this year, some of the teams that played
a lot of man coverage and really blitzed was Brian
Flores with the Minnesota Vikings and Vance Joseph with PS
two out we could see a little more creativity and
(02:33):
we started to see it because I mean, DeAndre Tillman
you got an interception against the Dallas Cowboys, and before
that it was justic you'renaud.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
How were they able to do it?
Speaker 1 (02:45):
They had guys dropping out looking like they're mugging the.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Offensive line, like they were getting ready to blitz and
then dropped out late.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Those are the types of I guess changes or adjustments
if you will, that maybe Vance Josa might have to
use as like a magician.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
For instance, we want to show you one thing.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Think Preci's coming from this side and before the ball
is snapped they want to drop out.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Obviously, you're gonna have both of your.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Safeties Telenoverfunga and Brandon Jones on high alert. Now here's
the thing that may be a saving grace for the
Broncos this week, especially from a defensive standpoint. Nico Collins
is still in concussion protocol. He may or may not
play in this game. If he does not, it gives
the Broncos ability to play against a couple of young
(03:38):
wide receivers who last week CJ.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Strau really leans on those guys a lot.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
But I would like to think that the veteran experience
of Chris Abrams drain even though he's not one of
those guys that we can say that he has two
solid years of starting on his belt.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
You got a little playing time Lancher, so that should help.
But in relief of.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Riley Moss, I'm not going to say that he's not
going to be targeted. They're going to find a way
to get one of these young receivers and put them
in the advantageous position.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Well, I just think you're going to see teams spread
the ball out more. The distribution of targets will be
a lot more equal. Riley was easily the most targeted
corner in the NFL whenster Kan was out there. And
so now that that that chemistry changes, you know, just
a little bit. The other thing that we're not talking
about the other player we could be missing for this game.
Marvin Mims in the concussion protocol, didn't practice.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
He's off on the side field today.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
You know, Mims that that's a big loss because that's
your field stretcher. You know, I know Troy has a
little bit of athleticism too, if don't get me wrong,
but Marvin's on another level. He is by far your
fastest and most athletic the player. How do we how
do we show a vertical threat, especially against a cover
three team like this where a lot of times you'd
want to go switch verticals in an effort to, you know,
(04:53):
to try to get create confusion. How do we show
a vertical threat here? If Marvin Mims can't go or.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
That vertical threat now becomes Pat Bryant, right, he becomes
one of those guys to stress to feel And let's
be honest about the whole Marvin Mims and losing a
vertical threat, he wasn't really being used in that particular way.
We've seen Marvin Mims use more in a horizontal game.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Plan with.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
The Jets sweeps. But you had to respect his speed though,
you had to. But there was nothing that the Broncos
presented that would force any did as a coordinator to say, well,
when nineteens in the game, be careful.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah. Well, and it's but it's what to call it.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
I mean, it's it's apropos that we're playing in Texas
week is what I call the Will Fuller effect.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Well was in the world's greatest receiver, but he had
so much.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Speed that you you practically lived in too high just
to you.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Know, just when he was out there.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Just to take that away, Mims a four to three
to eight to forty guy at the combine, pat Ryant
was like a four to six to one guy. Now again,
you know, forties aren't indicative of what a player can do.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
We also Jerry Rice from like a forty or whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
I'm gonna tell you all that forty talk goes out
the window when you get on the field because guys
look at another guy's speed and say, you know what, Oh,
he not that fast and he catches slipping. Yeah, I'm
gonna I'm gonna throw it back. This is before your time,
young secret, so you might not know who this guy is.
(06:21):
Steve Largent was not the fastest guy, but I saw
him behind a lot of guys in his playing day.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Jerry Rice, I mean, was absolutely blowing the doors off
the all time leading receiver's gone. I'm just saying that
Pat Bryant is noticeably slower than Marvin.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Mims would all.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Say, okay, but then you got a lot of guys
are right. So here's where you really and truly miss Marvin.
And a lot of people haven't really talked about this
all season long because all the talk has been about
you know, bow Shawn and offense and the comebacks. But
look at what Marvin was doing as far as flipping
the field from a special team stand right, setting up
(07:01):
great field position. That's where he is going to be missed.
That's where the pressure is gonna be. Darren, Rizzy, this
is where we're gonna see possibly R. J. Harvey in
that row, yes, which is going to maybe take a
little carries away from him in the offense, so we
may see more of Tyler Bday in this game as well.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Yeah, Nims, by the way, the fourth most targeted player
for the Broncos at the thirty two targets only behind Sutton,
Franklin and Evan Ingram Mims averaging ten point six per reception.
That's not a great number, to be honest with you.
Pat Bryan actually averages more as does Cortland Sutton, but
(07:41):
you're right, there are little things that he does here there.
And also I wonder, and maybe to our benefit, if
this doesn't eliminate some of these screen attempts, because you're
not trying to throw screed off for miss.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
No no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Out there.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Only Broncos fans were that lucky just because you removed
nine team from the mix.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Which was a go to guy.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
When you looking at it from a game plan standpoint,
he's in the game, you have to think jet sweeps
or some kind of handoff to a wide receiving the backfield.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Now you really don't know who that is.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
And here's another guy who will have an opportunity not
just on special teams, but to be a part of
the offense. Is Trent Sherfield, Right, that's a guy who
is a special teams guy. We've seen him catch some
passes and for me, I go back to the preseason
game against the San Francisco forty nine ers over the
shoulder pass, which you benjaminalal Bright always say that these
(08:36):
guys get paid to make those standard catches.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
In your mind, well, the stipid, it's a part of you,
your tool like as a receiver, you have to be
able to make that catch. If you can't, people know
what if you're running certain routes, people know what you're
not getting.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
You're not getting the rock. But that's difficult. Listen, that
type of catch is not a routine catch. But those
who prove consistently that they can make that catch, you're
gonna be a starter.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
That's right. That is league for a long time.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
That's the difference between being a starter and a bit player,
you know. That's the difference between being a starter and
a four out guy that you know is fifth on
the depth chart, you know that kind of thing. And
so that's that's the difference between being Troy Franklin wide
receiver four and from Franklin starting wide receiver in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
And this is why offensively for the Denver Broncos, they
have to play a clean game, right because the defense
is down one of their best players are arguably their
best player, and the defense has done a great job
of keeping this offense in games all season long.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
This may be a game where that may not be
the case.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
This defense may show some fractures from time to time,
but the offense against a great opponent, this is why
I love this matchup. They're going to have to show
that they can consistently keep.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Drives moving, yeah, and time consuming drives moving to The
Texans are a team that does that. They do time
consuming drives to keep their defense fresh. Five six sixty
nine zeros. A text line three out three says, the
Raiders have the best throwbacks from the seventies and sixties.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
What what has really changed in the uniform? What's basically
that you got the eye patch? You know you got them? Yeah?
Is that the change?
Speaker 4 (10:16):
I mean in the Raiders uniforms aren't classic, to be fair,
but I mean, I don't know that I would call
them the best there's.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I mean, it looks the same, you know, change you
know what it's like.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
It's like taking mom's meat loaf and just putting ketchup
on it.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
This is your mom's people don't have ketchup on it already. No, No,
it was just the.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Wonder My mom's meat loaf was terrible. It was with
all due respect Mom, and I love you happy birthday
by the way. Uh it was Uh it was bad.
We hated your meat.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Wow, you hate your mom's meat lots awful? Did it
put barbecue sauce on it? I don't think we had
barbecue sauce around the house back then. Really. Yeah, she's
put ketchup on it.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
And that's that's some form of I guess barbecue sauce
in a way, if you want to look at.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
The I mean like barbecue sauce was too spicy for
my dad. My dad, you know, like like barb sauce spicy.
I see the ingredulity right now. Like this is the
dude that got two percent milk. His whole milk was
too spicy for him. If he catch my drugs.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
But he was that guy. What else we got here?
Someone nine pat for monument. It's a couple of calls.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Riley Moss got called against him or just playing bad
calls because every has a reputation based on past appearances.
He's just not getting the breaks that he should. I
I'm kind of with you on that. Riley Moss, I
would say about eighty percent of the calls on your
camera fairly legit, but about twenty percent of those calls
are some absolute just nonsense. Well that's the thing he's
(11:38):
getting the white guy corner tax.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Dude, I don't know about the white boy corner tax.
It's just the fact that when your number has been
called a number of times and associated with flags, you
got your betside that the police is perfect out there.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I'm not saying that, man Elsha zir No.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
But if you were smart a wide receiver, right, no
matter if you're better than ten times better than Robby Moss,
he's as a wide receiver than he is as a corner,
you're still going to try to get the advantage and
talk to the fisher and.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Say, hey, make sure you watch twenty one. Yeah, we're
got to go routes. Yeah. Well, even then, you're gonna
throw it.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
You're gonna saw the comeback on him and go back
through the receiver to get the early flags. And then
they're remembering Riley Moss got flagged early, you know, get
it into their psyche like that.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
And if you're a quarterback, you read, if you read
the scouting report. If you got the scouting report and
you're reading and say, okay, well number twenty one for
the Denver Broncos, Rodney Moss has been targeted the most
in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
By the way, when you look at passing the Paares call,
there's an overbundance called on him.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
So you know what we're doing. We're dialing up the Joe.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Flacco the chicken wing in the prayer, throw it down
the field had underthrown and allow the receiver to jump.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Back into him. Patser Tannat some thoughts on this Riley bawling, Bro,
I ain't gonna lie. I think they racial profile and
my dog though. Man, they kind of all these flags.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Oh my boy, Man, I ain't gonna lie the flags
in Gregis. You don't understand, bro. He had a rip
against CD, They ran Faie. He was in a perfect position,
played the ball, played his hands. They called a flag
on my dog. I'm like, I don't know what it
is what they got against him.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
You think they profiled your boy?
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yeah, they profiled him, bro, Wow, first time I've ever
heard of that.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
They saw him show up in the Dodge Ram pickup
truck and it said, it's a white boy corner.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
We're flagging him right now.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Wow. Wow, we might have to get Jason Seahall and
on the phone, it's, oh God.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Who is Cleveland? You used to be after in Cleveland
Fox near Dustin Fox. Yes, play safety though, corner two
by corner for you because when Riley got uh, when
Riley got drafted, he was like, oh the pressure is off.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
You figuret what? Wow? Let me do you.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Okay, when you really think about it, there's not a
lot of white corners in NFL history right the last
twenty five thirty years. So I'm gonna take you in
the wayback machine really quickly. You know, Zack Segers Scott
Case was a white corner. And then when the Falcons
drafted de On Sam, he was so, you know what,
your time is a corner is over.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
You got to move to safety. And he moved the safety.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
And oh, by the way, when he moved his safety,
he became all pro.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
How about that? Yeah, it's all that he did and
he was good. I mean, for Dion, you kind of
have to move to safety though, you just be honest
like he didn't want to.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
I'm just saying, you know, he didn't want it.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
It's been kind of a resurgence for white corners.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
So you got Cooper Jen, you got the Riley Boss,
you got to eat the Botto kid.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
It's been kind of a kind of a resurgence for
white corners.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
All of a sudden zero in I think it was
twenty three years or so, and then all of a sudden,
we have three at the same time.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
It is.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
It is absolutely researching. I think there's some prospects.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Unless I'm totally misremembering, I think there's some prospects.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
In the college game right now. Who could span that list? Well, yeah,
it's it's funny.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
I had a buddy of mine is a Jewish gentleman, yeah,
and he's like, there's hope.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
For us in basketball. There's gonna be a gold scene
dunking the ball soon. And I was like, oh my god, dude,
I can dude. I thought that was funny boy PS
Two saying.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Oh my goodness, that's really ridiculous. Nick Cosmider, we come
back Broncos Country to Night.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Nine zero is the text line.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Uh, somebody's asking what the name of uh Pat Certan's
podcast is. It's the one he does with Terry and
Arnold is called Closed on Sundays, I think, and you
can find that.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
I know it's on app. I know it's on Apple. Uh,
the Sir Tampacas Closed on Sundays. I'm pretty sure that's
the name of it.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Anyway, it's it's with his former Alabama teammate Terry and
Arnold and you can Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
And you can. You can find it on h on Apple.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
I think they had Christian Gonzales on there pretty recently
and it was it was a pretty good interview. So
get a chance to to check that out front the
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Nick Cosmider.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Nick, how's it going, buddy?
Speaker 3 (15:56):
I'm good. How are you guys doing?
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Doing pretty well?
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (15:59):
We just got the are you talking about how you
know everybody's talking about certain and you know what that
absence is going to bring to the dever Broncos. But
I'm on the other side of the ball here. You know,
Marvin Williams in the concussion protocol, if he's not able
to go, how much does that affect the Broncos offense?
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Yeah, I think quite a bit, especially when you're looking
at a Texans defense that is as good as Houston
has been this season, you know, Sean Payton said today,
you know, like the film and looking at it and
preparing is obviously a lot different this week than it
was last week. You didn't have to read too much
between the lines to kind of get the gist of it,
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as like, this is an entirely different challenge in that
Houston is shout at basically every level of the defense,
and they have a ton of team speed, and the
best way you can kind of try to stretch that
is to kind of counter it with your own And
nowhere is that more apparent for the Broncos than with
with Marvin Ben. So I agree with you, Ben. I
think if he's unable to go that that's a blow,
(16:57):
because you this is sort of a hands all, hands
on that kind of game in order to try to
find ways, you know, to make Hay with this with
this defense.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
No, Nick, I have to ask you this question because
the Broncos were trying to acquire you know, two other
tight ends, but they were beaten to the punch based
on the waiver of wire claims.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
But there is a forty one.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Year old tight end who's now in the Denver Broncos
practice squad. What does that say about the viability of
and longevity of one Mercedes Lewis, But also what does
that say about the Broncos issue with having inline black
and tight ends.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Well, I turned forty earlier this month, and my wife
turned forty two weeks before I did, which that's my
Those are my favorite two weeks when I get to
make fun of her for saying, hey, you're older than me,
like you're dating younger, you married a younger guy, especially
when it was forty and thirty nine, that was that
was great. But anyway, so I texted her today and
I was like, you know, she doesn't follow this stuff,
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of course, but say the Broncos just just signed somebody
that's older than I, and she goes that that makes
my body her just thinking about that. So I'll just
start there like that's my testament to this is like
it's pretty incredible. Like I and you know I feel
the same way. You know, I got heel pain just
getting up in the morning. So it's it's that's that's
the incredible part. Sean Bayton used the word he's obsessed
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with taking care of his body. So so that part
in it of itself is just is pretty incredible and
obviously a really bright, introspective guy that it took about
five minutes to see why he's been around so long
from that side of it, right, because you play that long,
you have to you know, you have to be able
to do the skill right. But it's to be that
long in any business, you have to get along with people,
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and and and teammates have raved about him and it's
easy to see why. And as far as the Broncos, yeah,
you're they've obviously been on they've been on the look
for for tight end help and that really even started
before Nate Adkins went down, when when he was injured,
it became you know, not a luxury, like a necessity.
They needed somebody as an inline blocker. So I mean,
you guys, give me your thoughts. I'd be stunned. Actually
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if if Lewis is not up this Sunday, I mean barring,
you know, just just not being ready physically, which I
think they probably would have vetted that out during the
whole tryout process because yeah, they just really don't have
anyone else there right now. So it's it's kind of
wild how quickly that's all come together.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Yeah, I mean, I would be shocked if he's not
up as well. You know, you're talking about a guy
who does provide the most inline blocking probably.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
On the roster.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Evan Ingram has the most snaps in the NFL as
a tight end played out in the slot and just
really doesn't offer much, you know, as far as that goes.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
That leaves you basically with Adam Troutman. Plus I think
Lewis gives you some versatility the Broncast.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
I have kind of wanted to run that six O
line package with al Pale out there is tackle eligible,
but now that he's at left guard, you don't really
have anybody in there, and I think having Lewis in
there sort of gives you that while not actually bringing
an offensive lineman onto the field, maybe that creates some
mismatch type stuff for a personnel grouping that's very vogue
in the league right now.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Yeah, and it kind of it is exactly that. It's
because they they loved If you go back and you
look at the numbers, to your point, Ben, they were
playing a ton of that six olignement stuff when Paucho
was in there. It's it's gone down quite a bit
in the last couple of games since since he's moved
to left guard because he just has a little bit
more versatility in that spot. But with the Lewis's side,
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that's six foot six and you know, two hundred and
sixty pounds, like he's not that far off sidewise. And
then even though he is not a prolific catcher of
the football, the threat of that is is what is
what helps you?
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Right?
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Like you you do still have to account for it
if you're a if you're a defense in some way,
especially down in the red zone, you know, and I'm
sure Sean Payton will find ways at some point to
kind of get him, get him out on a route,
just to have something else that's keeping defenses honest. So yeah,
I think the I think the fit there is important.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
So on Pacertan's podcast with Terran No, I think it's
called Close on Sundays, he said, when talking about fellow
teammate Roley Moss that I'm going to preface it the
way that he said it. They profile of my dog, right,
do you think he is right? When it comes to
Roby Moss and he's being profiled by the NFL officials.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Man, that's uh, that is a I saw that as well.
It made me laugh, and that that podcast guys, as
a quick aside, has been really funny, like the DeVante
Adams thing when when Pastor ten is kind of showing
that self deprecating side of him. Uh, was was hilarious,
and he mentions Christian Parker after the end, kind of
being like next game, big Dog. I texted CP and said,
(21:40):
I'm just making sure you saw this, and he was
he was laughing. You know, definitely remember that moment. But yeah,
you know, whether it's it's it's a racial profiling for
the white corner or or whatever else, it does seem
to me like there's there's a reputational aspect of this
in some way that that has creeped into these these
penalties for for Riley Moss. I mean, it's hard not
(22:02):
to view it that way, just given the you know,
the how how many he's had, at the rate at
which he is being flagged, and especially some of these
that are just really pretty confounding. I mean, obviously the
one there on the pod that you guys are referencing,
they were talking about the second flag in the end
zone where really little to no contact with with ceedee lamb.
And you know I heard people say, well, he didn't
(22:23):
get his head around. Well, you don't have to if
you don't touch the guy. So you know, part of
that is strange. I mean truly, Nick would would defer
to you and your expertise on that, but it is, Yeah,
it's definitely, it's definitely strange. And the thing with Riley
Moss though, is that, you know, if there's somebody that
can kind of handle this barrage of flags and not
not let it affect the way that you play from
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one play to the next, it's him and even a
lot of guys too in a row you're you're going
into the tank. And I think that's one thing that
they really appreciate about him is like, yeah, is he
is he a little more prone to give up twenty
three yards on a pass interference penalty? Perhaps, But he's
also a guy that you know that's not going to
impact what he does on the next play, And that's
going to be especially important in these next few weeks
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without certain and there talking with.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Nick Cosmider, Nick, you know, as as we look at
who's going to replace Sir Tan Abrams train, probably the
first man up there jatte barn. You know, they kind
of like the role they have him in, but probably
figures to get some more snaps. Is this gond of
lead to him getting real shots at the head corner
even though Vance tends to be reluctant to play rookies.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Yeah, I see him kind of in that same same role.
And really I'd be all the interested to see whether
they play a little bit more of the six dB
stuff just to give you, you know, because one thing
maybe they really like about Baron obviously is his match
capabilities on tight ends, but also he give them some
punch in the run game, and this being a game
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where I think you're probably gonna have to you're not
going to be able to patrol Teleno Hufonga at the
line of scrimmage as much as they've been doing. You know,
that's been such a neat wrinkle for them, the way
that he can kind of make quick a job uns
in the run game there with the Dallas trend, this
really nice counter that they had blocked perfectly well, and
Hufanga read it and was able to stop what could
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have been a huge run play to about three or
four yards. They probably won't be able to deploy him
in that way because you're going to play more too
high looks, you know, to give some help to both
Riley and Chris abram Strain. So I think that's gonna
be interesting. But playing some more of that that six
TV stuff, letting letting Jada Baron be a guy that
helps you both in the run and against tight ends,
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It'll be interesting to see if they can get a
little bit more of that on the field this week.
But I'd agree with you. I think, unless unless we
see another injury or for whatever reason, Kad just really struggles,
I don't I don't see them moving Jada to the
outside just yet.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Big.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
We've seen over the past couple of weeks bo elevate
his game, starting with that fourth quarter against the Giants
when the team with tempo and before you joined us,
I was talking to been about how when we look
at week to week, Bowl or even so many other
Broncos are not in these league or the NFL votes
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for Player of the week, could we see if the
Broncos can actually win several of these games? Would pee
as too out If they're able to win these games
and win them convincingly. Do you think the national talk
would start to switch to bow knigs for m v P.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Well, MVP would I don't. I don't necessarily see that.
I think what what it would do would be to
kind of add a lot of just I think, appreciation
for what they've gotten to. Even at six and two
the last five quarters, I think it's done a lot
for their image. But even at six and two, I
don't know that the sentiment is out there are just
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kind of scanning around that they are viewed as that
kind of like, you know, powerhouse, even though this league
this year doesn't really have that team that. You know,
the Chiefs are getting there, you know, they're they're starting
to kind of play like we've seen them before, but
even they have had their their slide, there is not
a just indestructible force, in my view, in this league
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this year. So if you win these games without passer ten,
I think it's going to go a long way to
the legitimacy of what it is that you're that you're
trying to accomplish it. You can even you know, if
you go two and one in these next three, I
think you set yourself up in a real nice way.
And I don't think I don't think bo Nicks to me,
like the m v P. I think there's already these
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narratives kind of create themselves. By by midway through the season,
we know it's a quarterback award, even though Jonathan Taylor
is the most deserving player of that award right now,
you know it would have to be to me, like
just an absolute show by by by Nicks in order
to get in that conversation. But hey, if if you
go three and oh and you you put together ten
touchdowns in that in that time period, don't turn the
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ball over, and you know, I might be having a different,
different conversation with you, you know, a little bit before Thanksgiving.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Talking with Nick cosmidor again here you know, Nick, last
last one from me. I These next four games I
think are pivotal for this football team. I think you
answered all the questions about who you are as a
defense by the way. You absolutely shut down that Dallas offense.
But I think there are questions still remaining about this offense.
You've played the easiest schedule against defenses all year. You've
got perhaps a historically bad defense against Dallas, and you're.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Ran it up.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Now you're up against the Houston Texas team has playing
pretty good defense. You've got the chiefs and the commanders.
You know, as three of the next four the Raiders
seem like to win. There's a real scenario here, and
maybe it's just mebi a wet blanket, but there's a
real scenario here where you go one and three at
your next four, there's a scenario here we go four
and oh.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Is this the pivotal.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Four game stretch that says this team is a pretender
or a pretender?
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Yeah, I think there's no doubt. I really do think so,
because they have the way you just said there. They
could go one and three, or they can go four
and one or three and one or four and oh
or three and one, any kind of that combination, because
by and large that's what they've been. You know, they
are six and two. You could see that, as you know,
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you could see how that could be three and five.
You could also see how it could be seven and one.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Like that.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
That's sort of the the fine line that they've walked.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
But I think if you get to.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
A certain point and you've managed to win these games,
even even if you don't play your best, then at
a certain point you just say this is who they
are they they find ways to win games, even if
the numbers aren't always prolific, even if they go through
these stretches where they struggle, they know how to do enough,
and Sean Payton knows how to coach them in a
way to understand where a game is going enough to
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you know, to find a way at the end. And
this really, this really is the stretch that will that
will find. It's it's of course a real bummer that
they don't have past or ten in that, but that
is the league like that, That's that's the way it goes.
They could run into one of these teams at some point.
That's that's similarly missing a really key piece. And you
know that they've are already had that on their schedule
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with the with the Bengals not having Joe Burrow and
and and so on and so forth. So yeah, the
bottom line is that they've got to find a way.
One in three I think would be Yeah, that would
be tough, That would be kind of a real hole
to dig out of. But you can see it. But
once again, you could see three and one or four
and oh as.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Well, really could Nick Cosmider from the Athletic You can
find him on Twitter at Nick Cosmider.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Appreciate you boy, look for seeing you out.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
There all right, guys, thanks a lot, Talk to you soon.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Take care.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Nick Cosmeier the athletic I should follw him. It's cosmetic
or the k You guys should follow me. It's got
a good story. But Marcedes Lewis was out at the
Joshua Tree when he got the call from the Broncos
come on back to football at forty one years old.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
That's one heck of a call.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Because Nick Nick said it himself, he's just thrown forty
and how many forty plus euros that you know that
their body is in their mind for that matter, is
in tune for maybe a small stretch of NFO games,
right and knowing as though not just your body, your mind,
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but you gotta go out there and put your body
gets someone else.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yeah, you're gonna you're gonna, uh, you're gonna wake up.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
You're gonna put on the uniform in the patch after
less than a week of ramp ups and you're gonna
go take on Will Anderson down there, and you.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Know that's you're gonna be in there.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
That's gonna be the guy you're trying to to protect uh,
you know bo Nick's from.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah, and then just say that to make things fair that.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Any forty one, what's your individual You have Mercedes Lewis's size,
and you're being asked to do what he's gonna be
asked to do.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Which, by the way, he's not too sixteen, he's like
two eighty. Now he's like, he's put off you. He's
got different time and wait on, yeah, it's a little
extra yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
On the one side, you've got Will Anderson on the
other side of the Texas Saint Daniel Hunter, that's their
defensive ends.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
That's who you're coming off. You're forty one.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
Years old, you're coming you're coming off being over at
the Joshua Tree throwing the pads on. And that's what
you're gonna have to protect your quarterback.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
From, basically asking you to do what you do best.
He is one of the better inline blockers in the league.
That's the thing that allowed him to have so much
stadpower because hell I played against him when he was
playing for the for the Jags, and obviously it happens
to all of us. As you started to get older,
you started to lose lose a step but they're not
asking him to do that much. And how much Cardio
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would it be to ask a guy of his size
just take the charge.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
That's all they're asking you to do out the guy. Yes, Yeah,
for us at yes.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
At the end of the day, we need to make
sure that you are able to erase Will Anderson.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah, I mean, and he catches balls.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Don't be wrong, merces Less has caught balls, but the
last time he had a five hundred plus yard season
was twenty twelve.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
All those days alone, God, we just.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Need you to present somewhat of a speed bump to
some of.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
These elite edge rushy, can you do that and maybe
catch a pass or too, Maybe maybe.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
On a delay tight end screen.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Maybe he gets the Garrett Bulls catch. I'm just saying, oh, yeah,
six whole I like that.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
He's that play.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
He's the guy that gets to catch on that wants
to run that play again with him.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
That's making I'm just saying, you know how Sean Payton
loves to be in the history books. Yes, we'll be
back after this
There's a lot to really talk about this upcoming game
this weekend between the Texans and the Denver Broncos. And
the one thing that stands out to me is what
is life for the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I want to say after PS two.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
But with PSU being down a couple of weeks, what
does that actually look like?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Then?
Speaker 4 (00:23):
Well, Abrams Drain's gonna get the first chance to step
up and be the battery corner Shadao get, you know,
get more rotation. But they like him in that that
slot tight end mismash, you know, kind of role that
they've gotten. And he's quarterbacks are over free with, you know,
with the interception thrown against him on that, so.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
You know they kind of they kind of like that.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
I it's just gonna be interesting because you know, I
made the joke that nobody's happy that PS two went down.
But the one guy who's kind of like might be
Riley Moss because people are gonna target Abrams Drain now
instead of Riley Moss, who's the most targeted corner in
the NFL. They're going to test Abrams Drain and see
if they can't get stuff on him. Not necessarily a
good thing, but a you know, kind of funny joke,
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but I think what really the real pressure here. I
mean there's pressure on Abe straight and all that, but
the real pressure is on the front seven. You've got
to get home now, You've got to affect the throw.
You've got to be able to be disruptive. If you're
able to do that, that's going to give these uh,
these other corners a chance to play their best and
be their best, and you know, hopefully the Broncos are
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able to, you know, are able to capitalize off that.
I think my concern is that opens up the whole field.
You know, when PS two is out there, you just
didn't throw to that side. You might have thrown short,
you know, quick hitch something like that, but you're not
You're not really throwing to that side. Now the whole
field's in play. And does that change things for this defense? Yeah,
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it changes a lot. It changes a lot as far
as what.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Bess Joseph, the defensive coordinator, could actually call and things
that he can actually lean.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
On in his pressure package.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Well they used to, yeah, because Satan takes away half
the field over there, they start doing so you got
some exotic stuff where they dropped Cooper or Benito back
into his own you know that in that side of
the field you throw to, and we saw guys getting
hands on the ball, probably not doing that as much
with Tartana out there.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I don't want to say ben that you're not going
to do it.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
You may not do it as much because when we
look at this Broncos team, and he said, well, last
year and this year, some of the teams that played
a lot of man coverage and really blitzed was Brian
Flores with the Minnesota Vikings and Vance Joseph with PS
two out we could see a little more creativity and
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we started to see it because I mean, DeAndre Tillman
you got an interception against the Dallas Cowboys, and before
that it was justic you'renaud.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
How were they able to do it?
Speaker 1 (02:45):
They had guys dropping out looking like they're mugging the.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Offensive line, like they were getting ready to blitz and
then dropped out late.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Those are the types of I guess changes or adjustments
if you will, that maybe Vance Josa might have to
use as like a magician.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
For instance, we want to show you one thing.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Think Preci's coming from this side and before the ball
is snapped they want to drop out.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Obviously, you're gonna have both of your.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Safeties Telenoverfunga and Brandon Jones on high alert. Now here's
the thing that may be a saving grace for the
Broncos this week, especially from a defensive standpoint. Nico Collins
is still in concussion protocol. He may or may not
play in this game. If he does not, it gives
the Broncos ability to play against a couple of young
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wide receivers who last week CJ.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Strau really leans on those guys a lot.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
But I would like to think that the veteran experience
of Chris Abrams drain even though he's not one of
those guys that we can say that he has two
solid years of starting on his belt.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
You got a little playing time Lancher, so that should help.
But in relief of.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Riley Moss, I'm not going to say that he's not
going to be targeted. They're going to find a way
to get one of these young receivers and put them
in the advantageous position.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Well, I just think you're going to see teams spread
the ball out more. The distribution of targets will be
a lot more equal. Riley was easily the most targeted
corner in the NFL whenster Kan was out there. And
so now that that that chemistry changes, you know, just
a little bit. The other thing that we're not talking
about the other player we could be missing for this game.
Marvin Mims in the concussion protocol, didn't practice.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
He's off on the side field today.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
You know, Mims that that's a big loss because that's
your field stretcher. You know, I know Troy has a
little bit of athleticism too, if don't get me wrong,
but Marvin's on another level. He is by far your
fastest and most athletic the player. How do we how
do we show a vertical threat, especially against a cover
three team like this where a lot of times you'd
want to go switch verticals in an effort to, you know,
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to try to get create confusion. How do we show
a vertical threat here? If Marvin Mims can't go or.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
That vertical threat now becomes Pat Bryant, right, he becomes
one of those guys to stress to feel And let's
be honest about the whole Marvin Mims and losing a
vertical threat, he wasn't really being used in that particular way.
We've seen Marvin Mims use more in a horizontal game.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Plan with.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
The Jets sweeps. But you had to respect his speed though,
you had to. But there was nothing that the Broncos
presented that would force any did as a coordinator to say, well,
when nineteens in the game, be careful.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah. Well, and it's but it's what to call it.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
I mean, it's it's apropos that we're playing in Texas
week is what I call the Will Fuller effect.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Well was in the world's greatest receiver, but he had
so much.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Speed that you you practically lived in too high just
to you.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Know, just when he was out there.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Just to take that away, Mims a four to three
to eight to forty guy at the combine, pat Ryant
was like a four to six to one guy. Now again,
you know, forties aren't indicative of what a player can do.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
We also Jerry Rice from like a forty or whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
I'm gonna tell you all that forty talk goes out
the window when you get on the field because guys
look at another guy's speed and say, you know what, Oh,
he not that fast and he catches slipping. Yeah, I'm
gonna I'm gonna throw it back. This is before your time,
young secret, so you might not know who this guy is.
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Steve Largent was not the fastest guy, but I saw
him behind a lot of guys in his playing day.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Jerry Rice, I mean, was absolutely blowing the doors off
the all time leading receiver's gone. I'm just saying that
Pat Bryant is noticeably slower than Marvin.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Mims would all.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Say, okay, but then you got a lot of guys
are right. So here's where you really and truly miss Marvin.
And a lot of people haven't really talked about this
all season long because all the talk has been about
you know, bow Shawn and offense and the comebacks. But
look at what Marvin was doing as far as flipping
the field from a special team stand right, setting up
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great field position. That's where he is going to be missed.
That's where the pressure is gonna be. Darren, Rizzy, this
is where we're gonna see possibly R. J. Harvey in
that row, yes, which is going to maybe take a
little carries away from him in the offense, so we
may see more of Tyler Bday in this game as well.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Yeah, Nims, by the way, the fourth most targeted player
for the Broncos at the thirty two targets only behind Sutton,
Franklin and Evan Ingram Mims averaging ten point six per reception.
That's not a great number, to be honest with you.
Pat Bryan actually averages more as does Cortland Sutton, but
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you're right, there are little things that he does here there.
And also I wonder, and maybe to our benefit, if
this doesn't eliminate some of these screen attempts, because you're
not trying to throw screed off for miss.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
No no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Out there.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Only Broncos fans were that lucky just because you removed
nine team from the mix.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Which was a go to guy.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
When you looking at it from a game plan standpoint,
he's in the game, you have to think jet sweeps
or some kind of handoff to a wide receiving the backfield.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Now you really don't know who that is.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
And here's another guy who will have an opportunity not
just on special teams, but to be a part of
the offense. Is Trent Sherfield, Right, that's a guy who
is a special teams guy. We've seen him catch some
passes and for me, I go back to the preseason
game against the San Francisco forty nine ers over the
shoulder pass, which you benjaminalal Bright always say that these
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guys get paid to make those standard catches.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
In your mind, well, the stipid, it's a part of you,
your tool like as a receiver, you have to be
able to make that catch. If you can't, people know
what if you're running certain routes, people know what you're
not getting.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
You're not getting the rock. But that's difficult. Listen, that
type of catch is not a routine catch. But those
who prove consistently that they can make that catch, you're
gonna be a starter.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
That's right. That is league for a long time.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
That's the difference between being a starter and a bit player,
you know. That's the difference between being a starter and
a four out guy that you know is fifth on
the depth chart, you know that kind of thing. And
so that's that's the difference between being Troy Franklin wide
receiver four and from Franklin starting wide receiver in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
And this is why offensively for the Denver Broncos, they
have to play a clean game, right because the defense
is down one of their best players are arguably their
best player, and the defense has done a great job
of keeping this offense in games all season long.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
This may be a game where that may not be
the case.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
This defense may show some fractures from time to time,
but the offense against a great opponent, this is why
I love this matchup. They're going to have to show
that they can consistently keep.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Drives moving, yeah, and time consuming drives moving to The
Texans are a team that does that. They do time
consuming drives to keep their defense fresh. Five six sixty
nine zeros. A text line three out three says, the
Raiders have the best throwbacks from the seventies and sixties.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
What what has really changed in the uniform? What's basically
that you got the eye patch? You know you got them? Yeah?
Is that the change?
Speaker 4 (10:16):
I mean in the Raiders uniforms aren't classic, to be fair,
but I mean, I don't know that I would call
them the best there's.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I mean, it looks the same, you know, change you
know what it's like.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
It's like taking mom's meat loaf and just putting ketchup
on it.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
This is your mom's people don't have ketchup on it already. No, No,
it was just the.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Wonder My mom's meat loaf was terrible. It was with
all due respect Mom, and I love you happy birthday
by the way. Uh it was Uh it was bad.
We hated your meat.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Wow, you hate your mom's meat lots awful? Did it
put barbecue sauce on it? I don't think we had
barbecue sauce around the house back then. Really. Yeah, she's
put ketchup on it.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
And that's that's some form of I guess barbecue sauce
in a way, if you want to look at.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
The I mean like barbecue sauce was too spicy for
my dad. My dad, you know, like like barb sauce spicy.
I see the ingredulity right now. Like this is the
dude that got two percent milk. His whole milk was
too spicy for him. If he catch my drugs.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
But he was that guy. What else we got here?
Someone nine pat for monument. It's a couple of calls.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Riley Moss got called against him or just playing bad
calls because every has a reputation based on past appearances.
He's just not getting the breaks that he should. I
I'm kind of with you on that. Riley Moss, I
would say about eighty percent of the calls on your
camera fairly legit, but about twenty percent of those calls
are some absolute just nonsense. Well that's the thing he's
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getting the white guy corner tax.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Dude, I don't know about the white boy corner tax.
It's just the fact that when your number has been
called a number of times and associated with flags, you
got your betside that the police is perfect out there.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I'm not saying that, man Elsha zir No.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
But if you were smart a wide receiver, right, no
matter if you're better than ten times better than Robby Moss,
he's as a wide receiver than he is as a corner,
you're still going to try to get the advantage and
talk to the fisher and.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Say, hey, make sure you watch twenty one. Yeah, we're
got to go routes. Yeah. Well, even then, you're gonna
throw it.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
You're gonna saw the comeback on him and go back
through the receiver to get the early flags. And then
they're remembering Riley Moss got flagged early, you know, get
it into their psyche like that.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
And if you're a quarterback, you read, if you read
the scouting report. If you got the scouting report and
you're reading and say, okay, well number twenty one for
the Denver Broncos, Rodney Moss has been targeted the most
in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
By the way, when you look at passing the Paares call,
there's an overbundance called on him.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
So you know what we're doing. We're dialing up the Joe.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Flacco the chicken wing in the prayer, throw it down
the field had underthrown and allow the receiver to jump.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Back into him. Patser Tannat some thoughts on this Riley bawling, Bro,
I ain't gonna lie. I think they racial profile and
my dog though. Man, they kind of all these flags.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Oh my boy, Man, I ain't gonna lie the flags
in Gregis. You don't understand, bro. He had a rip
against CD, They ran Faie. He was in a perfect position,
played the ball, played his hands. They called a flag
on my dog. I'm like, I don't know what it
is what they got against him.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
You think they profiled your boy?
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yeah, they profiled him, bro, Wow, first time I've ever
heard of that.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
They saw him show up in the Dodge Ram pickup
truck and it said, it's a white boy corner.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
We're flagging him right now.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Wow. Wow, we might have to get Jason Seahall and
on the phone, it's, oh God.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Who is Cleveland? You used to be after in Cleveland
Fox near Dustin Fox. Yes, play safety though, corner two
by corner for you because when Riley got uh, when
Riley got drafted, he was like, oh the pressure is off.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
You figuret what? Wow? Let me do you.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Okay, when you really think about it, there's not a
lot of white corners in NFL history right the last
twenty five thirty years. So I'm gonna take you in
the wayback machine really quickly. You know, Zack Segers Scott
Case was a white corner. And then when the Falcons
drafted de On Sam, he was so, you know what,
your time is a corner is over.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
You got to move to safety. And he moved the safety.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
And oh, by the way, when he moved his safety,
he became all pro.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
How about that? Yeah, it's all that he did and
he was good. I mean, for Dion, you kind of
have to move to safety though, you just be honest
like he didn't want to.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
I'm just saying, you know, he didn't want it.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
It's been kind of a resurgence for white corners.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
So you got Cooper Jen, you got the Riley Boss,
you got to eat the Botto kid.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
It's been kind of a kind of a resurgence for
white corners.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
All of a sudden zero in I think it was
twenty three years or so, and then all of a sudden,
we have three at the same time.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
It is.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
It is absolutely researching. I think there's some prospects.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Unless I'm totally misremembering, I think there's some prospects.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
In the college game right now. Who could span that list? Well, yeah,
it's it's funny.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
I had a buddy of mine is a Jewish gentleman, yeah,
and he's like, there's hope.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
For us in basketball. There's gonna be a gold scene
dunking the ball soon. And I was like, oh my god, dude,
I can dude. I thought that was funny boy PS
Two saying.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Oh my goodness, that's really ridiculous. Nick Cosmider, we come
back Broncos Country to Night.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Nine zero is the text line.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Uh, somebody's asking what the name of uh Pat Certan's
podcast is. It's the one he does with Terry and
Arnold is called Closed on Sundays, I think, and you
can find that.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
I know it's on app. I know it's on Apple. Uh,
the Sir Tampacas Closed on Sundays. I'm pretty sure that's
the name of it.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Anyway, it's it's with his former Alabama teammate Terry and
Arnold and you can Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
And you can. You can find it on h on Apple.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
I think they had Christian Gonzales on there pretty recently
and it was it was a pretty good interview. So
get a chance to to check that out front the
katay Cows troilth hotline though, and bring on our guy,
Nick Cosmider.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Nick, how's it going, buddy?
Speaker 3 (15:56):
I'm good. How are you guys doing?
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Doing pretty well?
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (15:59):
We just got the are you talking about how you
know everybody's talking about certain and you know what that
absence is going to bring to the dever Broncos. But
I'm on the other side of the ball here. You know,
Marvin Williams in the concussion protocol, if he's not able
to go, how much does that affect the Broncos offense?
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Yeah, I think quite a bit, especially when you're looking
at a Texans defense that is as good as Houston
has been this season, you know, Sean Payton said today,
you know, like the film and looking at it and
preparing is obviously a lot different this week than it
was last week. You didn't have to read too much
between the lines to kind of get the gist of it,
(16:35):
as like, this is an entirely different challenge in that
Houston is shout at basically every level of the defense,
and they have a ton of team speed, and the
best way you can kind of try to stretch that
is to kind of counter it with your own And
nowhere is that more apparent for the Broncos than with
with Marvin Ben. So I agree with you, Ben. I
think if he's unable to go that that's a blow,
(16:57):
because you this is sort of a hands all, hands
on that kind of game in order to try to
find ways, you know, to make Hay with this with
this defense.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
No, Nick, I have to ask you this question because
the Broncos were trying to acquire you know, two other
tight ends, but they were beaten to the punch based
on the waiver of wire claims.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
But there is a forty one.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Year old tight end who's now in the Denver Broncos
practice squad. What does that say about the viability of
and longevity of one Mercedes Lewis, But also what does
that say about the Broncos issue with having inline black
and tight ends.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Well, I turned forty earlier this month, and my wife
turned forty two weeks before I did, which that's my
Those are my favorite two weeks when I get to
make fun of her for saying, hey, you're older than me,
like you're dating younger, you married a younger guy, especially
when it was forty and thirty nine, that was that
was great. But anyway, so I texted her today and
I was like, you know, she doesn't follow this stuff,
(17:56):
of course, but say the Broncos just just signed somebody
that's older than I, and she goes that that makes
my body her just thinking about that. So I'll just
start there like that's my testament to this is like
it's pretty incredible. Like I and you know I feel
the same way. You know, I got heel pain just
getting up in the morning. So it's it's that's that's
the incredible part. Sean Bayton used the word he's obsessed
(18:17):
with taking care of his body. So so that part
in it of itself is just is pretty incredible and
obviously a really bright, introspective guy that it took about
five minutes to see why he's been around so long
from that side of it, right, because you play that long,
you have to you know, you have to be able
to do the skill right. But it's to be that
long in any business, you have to get along with people,
(18:37):
and and and teammates have raved about him and it's
easy to see why. And as far as the Broncos, yeah,
you're they've obviously been on they've been on the look
for for tight end help and that really even started
before Nate Adkins went down, when when he was injured,
it became you know, not a luxury, like a necessity.
They needed somebody as an inline blocker. So I mean,
you guys, give me your thoughts. I'd be stunned. Actually
(18:59):
if if Lewis is not up this Sunday, I mean barring,
you know, just just not being ready physically, which I
think they probably would have vetted that out during the
whole tryout process because yeah, they just really don't have
anyone else there right now. So it's it's kind of
wild how quickly that's all come together.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Yeah, I mean, I would be shocked if he's not
up as well. You know, you're talking about a guy
who does provide the most inline blocking probably.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
On the roster.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Evan Ingram has the most snaps in the NFL as
a tight end played out in the slot and just
really doesn't offer much, you know, as far as that goes.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
That leaves you basically with Adam Troutman. Plus I think
Lewis gives you some versatility the Broncast.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
I have kind of wanted to run that six O
line package with al Pale out there is tackle eligible,
but now that he's at left guard, you don't really
have anybody in there, and I think having Lewis in
there sort of gives you that while not actually bringing
an offensive lineman onto the field, maybe that creates some
mismatch type stuff for a personnel grouping that's very vogue
in the league right now.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Yeah, and it kind of it is exactly that. It's
because they they loved If you go back and you
look at the numbers, to your point, Ben, they were
playing a ton of that six olignement stuff when Paucho
was in there. It's it's gone down quite a bit
in the last couple of games since since he's moved
to left guard because he just has a little bit
more versatility in that spot. But with the Lewis's side,
(20:21):
that's six foot six and you know, two hundred and
sixty pounds, like he's not that far off sidewise. And
then even though he is not a prolific catcher of
the football, the threat of that is is what is
what helps you?
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Right?
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Like you you do still have to account for it
if you're a if you're a defense in some way,
especially down in the red zone, you know, and I'm
sure Sean Payton will find ways at some point to
kind of get him, get him out on a route,
just to have something else that's keeping defenses honest. So yeah,
I think the I think the fit there is important.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
So on Pacertan's podcast with Terran No, I think it's
called Close on Sundays, he said, when talking about fellow
teammate Roley Moss that I'm going to preface it the
way that he said it. They profile of my dog, right,
do you think he is right? When it comes to
Roby Moss and he's being profiled by the NFL officials.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Man, that's uh, that is a I saw that as well.
It made me laugh, and that that podcast guys, as
a quick aside, has been really funny, like the DeVante
Adams thing when when Pastor ten is kind of showing
that self deprecating side of him. Uh, was was hilarious,
and he mentions Christian Parker after the end, kind of
being like next game, big Dog. I texted CP and said,
(21:40):
I'm just making sure you saw this, and he was
he was laughing. You know, definitely remember that moment. But yeah,
you know, whether it's it's it's a racial profiling for
the white corner or or whatever else, it does seem
to me like there's there's a reputational aspect of this
in some way that that has creeped into these these
penalties for for Riley Moss. I mean, it's hard not
(22:02):
to view it that way, just given the you know,
the how how many he's had, at the rate at
which he is being flagged, and especially some of these
that are just really pretty confounding. I mean, obviously the
one there on the pod that you guys are referencing,
they were talking about the second flag in the end
zone where really little to no contact with with ceedee lamb.
And you know I heard people say, well, he didn't
(22:23):
get his head around. Well, you don't have to if
you don't touch the guy. So you know, part of
that is strange. I mean truly, Nick would would defer
to you and your expertise on that, but it is, Yeah,
it's definitely, it's definitely strange. And the thing with Riley
Moss though, is that, you know, if there's somebody that
can kind of handle this barrage of flags and not
not let it affect the way that you play from
(22:44):
one play to the next, it's him and even a
lot of guys too in a row you're you're going
into the tank. And I think that's one thing that
they really appreciate about him is like, yeah, is he
is he a little more prone to give up twenty
three yards on a pass interference penalty? Perhaps, But he's
also a guy that you know that's not going to
impact what he does on the next play, And that's
going to be especially important in these next few weeks
(23:05):
without certain and there talking with.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Nick Cosmider, Nick, you know, as as we look at
who's going to replace Sir Tan Abrams train, probably the
first man up there jatte barn. You know, they kind
of like the role they have him in, but probably
figures to get some more snaps. Is this gond of
lead to him getting real shots at the head corner
even though Vance tends to be reluctant to play rookies.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Yeah, I see him kind of in that same same role.
And really I'd be all the interested to see whether
they play a little bit more of the six dB
stuff just to give you, you know, because one thing
maybe they really like about Baron obviously is his match
capabilities on tight ends, but also he give them some
punch in the run game, and this being a game
(23:47):
where I think you're probably gonna have to you're not
going to be able to patrol Teleno Hufonga at the
line of scrimmage as much as they've been doing. You know,
that's been such a neat wrinkle for them, the way
that he can kind of make quick a job uns
in the run game there with the Dallas trend, this
really nice counter that they had blocked perfectly well, and
Hufanga read it and was able to stop what could
(24:08):
have been a huge run play to about three or
four yards. They probably won't be able to deploy him
in that way because you're going to play more too
high looks, you know, to give some help to both
Riley and Chris abram Strain. So I think that's gonna
be interesting. But playing some more of that that six
TV stuff, letting letting Jada Baron be a guy that
helps you both in the run and against tight ends,
(24:30):
It'll be interesting to see if they can get a
little bit more of that on the field this week.
But I'd agree with you. I think, unless unless we
see another injury or for whatever reason, Kad just really struggles,
I don't I don't see them moving Jada to the
outside just yet.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Big.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
We've seen over the past couple of weeks bo elevate
his game, starting with that fourth quarter against the Giants
when the team with tempo and before you joined us,
I was talking to been about how when we look
at week to week, Bowl or even so many other
Broncos are not in these league or the NFL votes
(25:05):
for Player of the week, could we see if the
Broncos can actually win several of these games? Would pee
as too out If they're able to win these games
and win them convincingly. Do you think the national talk
would start to switch to bow knigs for m v P.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Well, MVP would I don't. I don't necessarily see that.
I think what what it would do would be to
kind of add a lot of just I think, appreciation
for what they've gotten to. Even at six and two
the last five quarters, I think it's done a lot
for their image. But even at six and two, I
don't know that the sentiment is out there are just
(25:46):
kind of scanning around that they are viewed as that
kind of like, you know, powerhouse, even though this league
this year doesn't really have that team that. You know,
the Chiefs are getting there, you know, they're they're starting
to kind of play like we've seen them before, but
even they have had their their slide, there is not
a just indestructible force, in my view, in this league
(26:07):
this year. So if you win these games without passer ten,
I think it's going to go a long way to
the legitimacy of what it is that you're that you're
trying to accomplish it. You can even you know, if
you go two and one in these next three, I
think you set yourself up in a real nice way.
And I don't think I don't think bo Nicks to me,
like the m v P. I think there's already these
(26:27):
narratives kind of create themselves. By by midway through the season,
we know it's a quarterback award, even though Jonathan Taylor
is the most deserving player of that award right now,
you know it would have to be to me, like
just an absolute show by by by Nicks in order
to get in that conversation. But hey, if if you
go three and oh and you you put together ten
touchdowns in that in that time period, don't turn the
(26:48):
ball over, and you know, I might be having a different,
different conversation with you, you know, a little bit before Thanksgiving.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Talking with Nick cosmidor again here you know, Nick, last
last one from me. I These next four games I
think are pivotal for this football team. I think you
answered all the questions about who you are as a
defense by the way. You absolutely shut down that Dallas offense.
But I think there are questions still remaining about this offense.
You've played the easiest schedule against defenses all year. You've
got perhaps a historically bad defense against Dallas, and you're.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Ran it up.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Now you're up against the Houston Texas team has playing
pretty good defense. You've got the chiefs and the commanders.
You know, as three of the next four the Raiders
seem like to win. There's a real scenario here, and
maybe it's just mebi a wet blanket, but there's a
real scenario here where you go one and three at
your next four, there's a scenario here we go four
and oh.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Is this the pivotal.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Four game stretch that says this team is a pretender
or a pretender?
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Yeah, I think there's no doubt. I really do think so,
because they have the way you just said there. They
could go one and three, or they can go four
and one or three and one or four and oh
or three and one, any kind of that combination, because
by and large that's what they've been. You know, they
are six and two. You could see that, as you know,
(28:00):
you could see how that could be three and five.
You could also see how it could be seven and one.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Like that.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
That's sort of the the fine line that they've walked.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
But I think if you get to.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
A certain point and you've managed to win these games,
even even if you don't play your best, then at
a certain point you just say this is who they
are they they find ways to win games, even if
the numbers aren't always prolific, even if they go through
these stretches where they struggle, they know how to do enough,
and Sean Payton knows how to coach them in a
way to understand where a game is going enough to
(28:32):
you know, to find a way at the end. And
this really, this really is the stretch that will that
will find. It's it's of course a real bummer that
they don't have past or ten in that, but that
is the league like that, That's that's the way it goes.
They could run into one of these teams at some point.
That's that's similarly missing a really key piece. And you
know that they've are already had that on their schedule
(28:54):
with the with the Bengals not having Joe Burrow and
and and so on and so forth. So yeah, the
bottom line is that they've got to find a way.
One in three I think would be Yeah, that would
be tough, That would be kind of a real hole
to dig out of. But you can see it. But
once again, you could see three and one or four
and oh as.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Well, really could Nick Cosmider from the Athletic You can
find him on Twitter at Nick Cosmider.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Appreciate you boy, look for seeing you out.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
There all right, guys, thanks a lot, Talk to you soon.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Take care.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Nick Cosmeier the athletic I should follw him. It's cosmetic
or the k You guys should follow me. It's got
a good story. But Marcedes Lewis was out at the
Joshua Tree when he got the call from the Broncos
come on back to football at forty one years old.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
That's one heck of a call.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Because Nick Nick said it himself, he's just thrown forty
and how many forty plus euros that you know that
their body is in their mind for that matter, is
in tune for maybe a small stretch of NFO games,
right and knowing as though not just your body, your mind,
(30:03):
but you gotta go out there and put your body
gets someone else.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yeah, you're gonna you're gonna, uh, you're gonna wake up.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
You're gonna put on the uniform in the patch after
less than a week of ramp ups and you're gonna
go take on Will Anderson down there, and you.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Know that's you're gonna be in there.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
That's gonna be the guy you're trying to to protect uh,
you know bo Nick's from.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah, and then just say that to make things fair that.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Any forty one, what's your individual You have Mercedes Lewis's size,
and you're being asked to do what he's gonna be
asked to do.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Which, by the way, he's not too sixteen, he's like
two eighty. Now he's like, he's put off you. He's
got different time and wait on, yeah, it's a little
extra yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
On the one side, you've got Will Anderson on the
other side of the Texas Saint Daniel Hunter, that's their
defensive ends.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
That's who you're coming off. You're forty one.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
Years old, you're coming you're coming off being over at
the Joshua Tree throwing the pads on. And that's what
you're gonna have to protect your quarterback.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
From, basically asking you to do what you do best.
He is one of the better inline blockers in the league.
That's the thing that allowed him to have so much
stadpower because hell I played against him when he was
playing for the for the Jags, and obviously it happens
to all of us. As you started to get older,
you started to lose lose a step but they're not
asking him to do that much. And how much Cardio
(31:21):
would it be to ask a guy of his size
just take the charge.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
That's all they're asking you to do out the guy. Yes, Yeah,
for us at yes.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
At the end of the day, we need to make
sure that you are able to erase Will Anderson.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah, I mean, and he catches balls.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Don't be wrong, merces Less has caught balls, but the
last time he had a five hundred plus yard season
was twenty twelve.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
All those days alone, God, we just.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Need you to present somewhat of a speed bump to
some of.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
These elite edge rushy, can you do that and maybe
catch a pass or too, Maybe maybe.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
On a delay tight end screen.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Maybe he gets the Garrett Bulls catch. I'm just saying, oh, yeah,
six whole I like that.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
He's that play.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
He's the guy that gets to catch on that wants
to run that play again with him.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
That's making I'm just saying, you know how Sean Payton
loves to be in the history books. Yes, we'll be
back after this
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