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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We'll bring on the og the man himself, Mike Clifs. Mike,
how you do this evening?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I'm doing great, just handing out candy, pretty busy, well
my old neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
I don't have any candy here.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
I know to go stop by the cliff household in
to get my candy on once I get done with
this show.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
But Mike, you get some candy for our for our
eyes here The Lway Years.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Your latest book is out and I've uh been enjoyed
reading it up about three quarters of the way through.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Don't spoil the ending for me.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Uh and uh, I have really enjoyed enjoyed reading this
so far. What what brought on the the impetus for
writing this book?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Well, Try and Publishing Bill Lane's gave me a call
and asked me if I would be interested in doing
the book. And he said that you know, with with
seven eight years of the of the drought for the Broncos,
that uh, maybe people were hungry for reliving some glory
and Halway, of course was the impetous Happy Halloween everybody.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Uh Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
The impetus as it was going to be just about
the ninety seven ninety eighteen with an emphasis on Lway,
and then it became a little more on Elway as
the most influential person and in a in a climaxinge
with the nineteen ninety seven ninety eight Super Bowls. So
(01:23):
kind of took readers through the journey through John Elway's journey,
and but also had chapters in there on Rod and
ed on Terrell Davis of course, so uh, you know,
kind of began with how John h joined the team
with the Orange Crushers. The Orange Crushers were still around,
(01:44):
a bunch of them were on their in their final
three or four years, and so he bridged a few
eras and then we finished up with a chapter on
his GM tenure, his ten year GM tenure, where I
got to know John quite well. Covered every part of that.
So yeah, I talked to quite a few people, Kubiak Shanahan.
(02:08):
Shanahan wrote the forward, and I think people will enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah, I've certainly enjoyed it so far.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Talking with Mike cliss and about his new book, The
l Way Years, there was a particularly appointed part in
there for me, and I appreciate this book as it
comes out now because of the parallels with trying to
grow bone Nicks. But there was a particularly poignant part
in there where you talk about Torell Davis and mentioning
him bringing up the how devastating that Jacksonville loss was
(02:36):
and how that was sort of the catalyst for the
Super Bowl runs in the sense that when they had
a bad practice or you know, they had a let
down moment, they just went to each other and said,
day man, Jacksonville and that sort of was a rallying
cry around, you know, the catalyst for being able to
push through those difficult moments during the Super Bowl runs.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, I was surprised a little surprised by that because
I remember for the Uh I think I was with
the Gazette then Carle Springs Gazette. I covered that Jacksonville game.
I had the Jacksonville locker room, which turned out to
be the victorious locker room, which you know, was surprising,
and talking to Tony Vasselli and the gang, I thought,
(03:23):
I looked back on that time and thought the Broncos
should have been a three pat you know, they should
have won three in a row, and then they really
would have stamped themselves as one of the all time
great teams had they won three in a row, but
TD said that he didn't think they'd win those back
to back in ninety seven and ninety eight without the
motivation from losing in ninety six to Jacksonville. The way
(03:46):
they did it was it was a bummer how they
lost it because they clinched too early that year. They
were twelve and one. They clinched with three weeks to go,
and Shanahan was still going that for going through that
for the first time, how's everybody doing? Yeah? Take two
(04:06):
and then so they weren't sharp in that Jacksonville game.
They went up twelve nothing but they but they but
they they they were I don't know, they had the
they had the four to five week blues by week blues,
and you know they Shannon Sharp dropped the two point conversion,
(04:30):
Jason and Elam missed an extra point. Burnell was on fire.
They couldn't cover Jimmy Smith. The throne means Shanahan blamed
himself because he didn't run the ball enough. Uh, that's
the one. I think TD had seven games where he
rushed for or or eight playoff games where he rushed
(04:51):
for one hundred yards. Seven of the eighty rushed for
one hundred The one he didn't was Jacksonville yet ninety
one yards on just fourteen carries, and he wouldn't make
that mistake again. The next year in ninety seven on
that revenge tour, they just steamrolled Jacksonville. TD had a
big day. They just ran like crazy in that game.
(05:12):
And that was Shanahan's ever last seen regret is that
he got away from the running game in that playoff
loss to Jacksonville.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Well, it's no trick, it's a treat for us.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Get to talk to Mike Cliss about his book The
Elway Years. You know, you mentioned the kind of confluence
of errors, you know how everything kind of went wrong
in that moment to Jason Eland, the Shannon sharp drop
of the two point conversion. We juxtaposed that with this
season for the Denver Broncos, where everything sort of seems
to be going right. You caught a Tampa Bay team
missing what five six starters on defense blew them out.
(05:44):
You had a New Orleans Saints team on Thursday night
missing their quarterback, missing five or six players.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Now you get a carol lot of team. Albeit they
weren't very talented before they were missing.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Their players, and now you've got a Baltimore situation where
you've got one defensive lineman healthy, had a quarterback who's
missed two practices with a growing issue that's being termed
knee and back.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Is this sort of the antithesis.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Of everything going wrong at the you know, everything going
right for the Denver Broncos for once.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Well, yeah, I was gonna say for once. It's been
a while because this team is definitely in a drought
and the schedule has worked out for him pretty well.
And we'll see about three evens. I give him a chance. Hi, ladies,
take take two? Okay, Happy Halloween. You think Lamar plays,
(06:30):
by the way, Ben.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
I do believe that he's going to play.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Yes, everything I've been told is that he's going to play,
but that growing issue is definitely sore, so they're going
to try and rest him until then.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
You know, Lamar seems to me like he has a
practice uh missing practice drama a couple times a year
and uh and usually makes it on game day. So yeah,
I'm I know Baltimore media are wondering because they have
a short week. On the other side, Thursday Thursday game
against the Bengals, which is big form division opponent that
(07:02):
maybe Lamar d rests this game and plays against the Bengals,
But I know the Broncos sure are thinking he's gonna play.
I don't know about the whole uh, you know, the
other sense working in the in the Broncos favor. It
seems to me the only thing I've noticed about this
(07:24):
team is just how much more, how much tougher they are.
And I you know, I credit Sean Payton and and
you know, whatever whatever you think of Sean Payton and
how he seems his mood seemed to swing on press conferences,
especially after games win or lose. He's got this team
(07:45):
playing tough, and he's got them playing together, especially on defense.
It looks like everybody really likes each other, like their
best panels, and they're selling out for each other. And meanwhile,
Bull's coming along. You know, He's he's getting better and better.
He didn't look good the first two weeks. He hasn't
looked good here and there, but I think overall incrementally
(08:09):
he's getting better and played real well against a weak
Carolina team. But still he needed that for his confidence.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
You talk in the book The l Way Years about
how Mike Shanahan and uh and and others pointed out
that as John's moods went so in the team at
various intervals, but the team loved him.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I mean, they love John Elway.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
They they played for John Elway and all that, and
it feels to me like we sort of see a
little bit of that in bo Nicks. Bow hasn't been
the greatest so far, there have been some missus, as
you know, Dow pointed out, but there there it feels to.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Me like he's got that tough, gritty persona.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
He's willing to put his body on the line, and
there are the players sort of respect that in a
way that I don't know that I've seen out of
a quarterback since maybe Olway.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yeah, I agree, he they they do have they do.
Like my wife just walked in. I don't think she
knows I'm on with shit, Honey, I'm on the radio.
Thank you, and now you.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Are too, Uh Hi, missus Cliff, we love having on
as well.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
The Yeah, I think, Paul, I agree that they seem
to like him from the beginning. Kind of a guy's guy,
and that's what Elway was. Elway to me, was a
guy's guy. You know, when Elway was the type of
guy who would go go out and have a beer
with his offensive lineman and whoever it was on the team,
(09:39):
you know it was it was off the field on
the field. He was a good pal and Paul Uh.
You know, it doesn't strike me this guy who goes
out for many beers, if at all, but he is.
I tell you he's a smart football player, like high
(10:00):
IQ football player. He's been around football players all his life.
You know, his dad was a coach. He was done.
Dad was done playing by the time Bow was born.
But still, you know, his dad was around football all
his life. So is Bowl. He knows everything about the
sport inside and out, all the nuances. And you know,
(10:23):
he's a mature We've talked about this ad nauseum. He's
a mature rookie. And and plus he's he's a good teammate.
He looks like he you know, he's one of those
guys that rallied the others around him. And keep in
mind also he followed Russ and that was a different
deal for Sean Payton and all the Broncos were you
(10:48):
know Russ. I think there was had a persona that
he was. He was the biggest guy on the team.
Sean Payton didn't want anybody who was bigger than others,
and bow Nix doesn't carry himself that way.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Yeah, he certainly doesn't. And I think that's been a
refreshing change. I were talking with Mike Cliss again is
his new book, The Lway Years Inside the Super Bowl
era of the Denver Broncos. Mike was the what was
the most surprising aspect in writing this book?
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Obviously you lived a lot of that, but was there
anything new.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
That you you suddenly discovered and as you were as
you were writing this.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Well, the one thing that Tom Green kind of jumped
on in my first interview on this book, and you know,
I what he what he jumped on were the Dan
Reeves here, just how much Elway and Reeves did not
like each other. There was a column by Dick Connor
(11:44):
in nineteen ninety one nineteen ninety two right in there
where Elway exploded, vented his frustrations on Dan Reeves, suffocating
him in Elway's eyes offensively and wouldn't let him go
until the fourth quarter. And then in the fourth quarter
John got to go schoolyard and do his thing. You
(12:09):
know it hit the paper. Dick Connor wrote all of
Elway's frustrations. He threw the paper down. He called the
Shanahan in, who was the offensive coordinator, and threw the
paper down, said why why is this in the newspaper?
And Shanahan said, well, why are you yelling at me for?
You know John said it. He said, hold on right there,
I'm going to bring John in right now. I'm tired
(12:31):
of being the uh the goal between here. You guys
talk it out. And so he brought John in and
it didn't really go well.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
John exploded some more and then uh it got to
a point where l Reeves wanted to trade John to Washington,
the Washington Redskins. At the time, John was at uh uh,
he was playing in that celebrity golf tournament in Lake Tahoe,
and he was at a blackjack table and there was
(13:01):
Ernest Spiner, who at the time was no longer the
Browns running back but Washington running backs coach, and Weiner said, John,
I thought we had you. And Elway said, what do
you mean you thought you had me? And he said,
we thought we had you in a trade. And Elway
found out right then at the blackjack table that he
(13:21):
that there was a trade finished. He was going to Washington,
and you know, they had all the pieces in the
draft picks all figured out. But Pat Bolan wound up
nix in the trade.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Well lucky for us he did.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, And and Elways said, look, it wouldn't have been
bad for me because Washington won the Super Bowl that
year with Mark Rippin. And but still the next year,
despite all that acrimony, the next year, the Broncos went
twelve and four and went to the AFT Championship Game,
where they loss to the Bills. You know, Mecklenburg put
(13:56):
it pretty well. They were there. Elway and Reeves were
too much the same. They were highly highly competitive. They
were both extremely stubborn. And you know, and and the
fact of the matter is the Dan Marinos and the
and the and the and the Moons, who were throwing
(14:17):
the ball all over the yard, they weren't going to
the super Bowl. You had to run the ball and
play to the defense in order to get to the
super Bowl. And that's what the Broncos did. And Reeves
did what was best, and John wanted the ball in
his hands more so there was some there was some
conflict there, but uh, they still won a lot of games,
despite despite the fact that they really couldn't stand each other.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Sometimes sometimes that can sometimes that could lead to great results.
You know, sometimes it takes those personalities like that to
to get the best out of each other.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Right, exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
I appreciate you joining us The l Way Years Inside
the Super Bowl Era of the Different Broncos by Mike
Cliffs Forward by Mike Shannon.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
It's out now, guys.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Want to get your hands on a copy of Mike
I'm love and reading it and I appreciate you taking
some time out tonight.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
You got to go to Amazon dot com guys, and
that that's.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Where you'll find the book Amazon. And I really appreciate you, Yes, sir,
appreciate it. That's my cliss, my news.
We'll bring on the og the man himself, Mike Clifs. Mike,
how you do this evening?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I'm doing great, just handing out candy, pretty busy, well
my old neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
I don't have any candy here.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
I know to go stop by the cliff household in
to get my candy on once I get done with
this show.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
But Mike, you get some candy for our for our
eyes here The Lway Years.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Your latest book is out and I've uh been enjoyed
reading it up about three quarters of the way through.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Don't spoil the ending for me.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Uh and uh, I have really enjoyed enjoyed reading this
so far. What what brought on the the impetus for
writing this book?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Well, Try and Publishing Bill Lane's gave me a call
and asked me if I would be interested in doing
the book. And he said that you know, with with
seven eight years of the of the drought for the Broncos,
that uh, maybe people were hungry for reliving some glory
and Halway, of course was the impetous Happy Halloween everybody.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Uh Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
The impetus as it was going to be just about
the ninety seven ninety eighteen with an emphasis on Lway,
and then it became a little more on Elway as
the most influential person and in a in a climaxinge
with the nineteen ninety seven ninety eight Super Bowls. So
(01:23):
kind of took readers through the journey through John Elway's journey,
and but also had chapters in there on Rod and
ed on Terrell Davis of course, so uh, you know,
kind of began with how John h joined the team
with the Orange Crushers. The Orange Crushers were still around,
(01:44):
a bunch of them were on their in their final
three or four years, and so he bridged a few
eras and then we finished up with a chapter on
his GM tenure, his ten year GM tenure, where I
got to know John quite well. Covered every part of that.
So yeah, I talked to quite a few people, Kubiak Shanahan.
(02:08):
Shanahan wrote the forward, and I think people will enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah, I've certainly enjoyed it so far.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Talking with Mike cliss and about his new book, The
l Way Years, there was a particularly appointed part in
there for me, and I appreciate this book as it
comes out now because of the parallels with trying to
grow bone Nicks. But there was a particularly poignant part
in there where you talk about Torell Davis and mentioning
him bringing up the how devastating that Jacksonville loss was
(02:36):
and how that was sort of the catalyst for the
Super Bowl runs in the sense that when they had
a bad practice or you know, they had a let
down moment, they just went to each other and said,
day man, Jacksonville and that sort of was a rallying
cry around, you know, the catalyst for being able to
push through those difficult moments during the Super Bowl runs.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, I was surprised a little surprised by that because
I remember for the Uh I think I was with
the Gazette then Carle Springs Gazette. I covered that Jacksonville game.
I had the Jacksonville locker room, which turned out to
be the victorious locker room, which you know, was surprising,
and talking to Tony Vasselli and the gang, I thought,
(03:23):
I looked back on that time and thought the Broncos
should have been a three pat you know, they should
have won three in a row, and then they really
would have stamped themselves as one of the all time
great teams had they won three in a row, but
TD said that he didn't think they'd win those back
to back in ninety seven and ninety eight without the
motivation from losing in ninety six to Jacksonville. The way
(03:46):
they did it was it was a bummer how they
lost it because they clinched too early that year. They
were twelve and one. They clinched with three weeks to go,
and Shanahan was still going that for going through that
for the first time, how's everybody doing? Yeah? Take two
(04:06):
and then so they weren't sharp in that Jacksonville game.
They went up twelve nothing but they but they but
they they they were I don't know, they had the
they had the four to five week blues by week blues,
and you know they Shannon Sharp dropped the two point conversion,
(04:30):
Jason and Elam missed an extra point. Burnell was on fire.
They couldn't cover Jimmy Smith. The throne means Shanahan blamed
himself because he didn't run the ball enough. Uh, that's
the one. I think TD had seven games where he
rushed for or or eight playoff games where he rushed
(04:51):
for one hundred yards. Seven of the eighty rushed for
one hundred The one he didn't was Jacksonville yet ninety
one yards on just fourteen carries, and he wouldn't make
that mistake again. The next year in ninety seven on
that revenge tour, they just steamrolled Jacksonville. TD had a
big day. They just ran like crazy in that game.
(05:12):
And that was Shanahan's ever last seen regret is that
he got away from the running game in that playoff
loss to Jacksonville.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Well, it's no trick, it's a treat for us.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Get to talk to Mike Cliss about his book The
Elway Years. You know, you mentioned the kind of confluence
of errors, you know how everything kind of went wrong
in that moment to Jason Eland, the Shannon sharp drop
of the two point conversion. We juxtaposed that with this
season for the Denver Broncos, where everything sort of seems
to be going right. You caught a Tampa Bay team
missing what five six starters on defense blew them out.
(05:44):
You had a New Orleans Saints team on Thursday night
missing their quarterback, missing five or six players.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Now you get a carol lot of team. Albeit they
weren't very talented before they were missing.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Their players, and now you've got a Baltimore situation where
you've got one defensive lineman healthy, had a quarterback who's
missed two practices with a growing issue that's being termed
knee and back.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Is this sort of the antithesis.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Of everything going wrong at the you know, everything going
right for the Denver Broncos for once.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Well, yeah, I was gonna say for once. It's been
a while because this team is definitely in a drought
and the schedule has worked out for him pretty well.
And we'll see about three evens. I give him a chance. Hi, ladies,
take take two? Okay, Happy Halloween. You think Lamar plays,
(06:30):
by the way, Ben.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
I do believe that he's going to play.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Yes, everything I've been told is that he's going to play,
but that growing issue is definitely sore, so they're going
to try and rest him until then.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
You know, Lamar seems to me like he has a
practice uh missing practice drama a couple times a year
and uh and usually makes it on game day. So yeah,
I'm I know Baltimore media are wondering because they have
a short week. On the other side, Thursday Thursday game
against the Bengals, which is big form division opponent that
(07:02):
maybe Lamar d rests this game and plays against the Bengals,
But I know the Broncos sure are thinking he's gonna play.
I don't know about the whole uh, you know, the
other sense working in the in the Broncos favor. It
seems to me the only thing I've noticed about this
(07:24):
team is just how much more, how much tougher they are.
And I you know, I credit Sean Payton and and
you know, whatever whatever you think of Sean Payton and
how he seems his mood seemed to swing on press conferences,
especially after games win or lose. He's got this team
(07:45):
playing tough, and he's got them playing together, especially on defense.
It looks like everybody really likes each other, like their
best panels, and they're selling out for each other. And meanwhile,
Bull's coming along. You know, He's he's getting better and better.
He didn't look good the first two weeks. He hasn't
looked good here and there, but I think overall incrementally
(08:09):
he's getting better and played real well against a weak
Carolina team. But still he needed that for his confidence.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
You talk in the book The l Way Years about
how Mike Shanahan and uh and and others pointed out
that as John's moods went so in the team at
various intervals, but the team loved him.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I mean, they love John Elway.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
They they played for John Elway and all that, and
it feels to me like we sort of see a
little bit of that in bo Nicks. Bow hasn't been
the greatest so far, there have been some missus, as
you know, Dow pointed out, but there there it feels to.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Me like he's got that tough, gritty persona.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
He's willing to put his body on the line, and
there are the players sort of respect that in a
way that I don't know that I've seen out of
a quarterback since maybe Olway.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yeah, I agree, he they they do have they do.
Like my wife just walked in. I don't think she
knows I'm on with shit, Honey, I'm on the radio.
Thank you, and now you.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Are too, Uh Hi, missus Cliff, we love having on
as well.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
The Yeah, I think, Paul, I agree that they seem
to like him from the beginning. Kind of a guy's guy,
and that's what Elway was. Elway to me, was a
guy's guy. You know, when Elway was the type of
guy who would go go out and have a beer
with his offensive lineman and whoever it was on the team,
(09:39):
you know it was it was off the field on
the field. He was a good pal and Paul Uh.
You know, it doesn't strike me this guy who goes
out for many beers, if at all, but he is.
I tell you he's a smart football player, like high
(10:00):
IQ football player. He's been around football players all his life.
You know, his dad was a coach. He was done.
Dad was done playing by the time Bow was born.
But still, you know, his dad was around football all
his life. So is Bowl. He knows everything about the
sport inside and out, all the nuances. And you know,
(10:23):
he's a mature We've talked about this ad nauseum. He's
a mature rookie. And and plus he's he's a good teammate.
He looks like he you know, he's one of those
guys that rallied the others around him. And keep in
mind also he followed Russ and that was a different
deal for Sean Payton and all the Broncos were you
(10:48):
know Russ. I think there was had a persona that
he was. He was the biggest guy on the team.
Sean Payton didn't want anybody who was bigger than others,
and bow Nix doesn't carry himself that way.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Yeah, he certainly doesn't. And I think that's been a
refreshing change. I were talking with Mike Cliss again is
his new book, The Lway Years Inside the Super Bowl
era of the Denver Broncos. Mike was the what was
the most surprising aspect in writing this book?
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Obviously you lived a lot of that, but was there
anything new.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
That you you suddenly discovered and as you were as
you were writing this.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Well, the one thing that Tom Green kind of jumped
on in my first interview on this book, and you know,
I what he what he jumped on were the Dan
Reeves here, just how much Elway and Reeves did not
like each other. There was a column by Dick Connor
(11:44):
in nineteen ninety one nineteen ninety two right in there
where Elway exploded, vented his frustrations on Dan Reeves, suffocating
him in Elway's eyes offensively and wouldn't let him go
until the fourth quarter. And then in the fourth quarter
John got to go schoolyard and do his thing. You
(12:09):
know it hit the paper. Dick Connor wrote all of
Elway's frustrations. He threw the paper down. He called the
Shanahan in, who was the offensive coordinator, and threw the
paper down, said why why is this in the newspaper?
And Shanahan said, well, why are you yelling at me for?
You know John said it. He said, hold on right there,
I'm going to bring John in right now. I'm tired
(12:31):
of being the uh the goal between here. You guys
talk it out. And so he brought John in and
it didn't really go well.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
John exploded some more and then uh it got to
a point where l Reeves wanted to trade John to Washington,
the Washington Redskins. At the time, John was at uh uh,
he was playing in that celebrity golf tournament in Lake Tahoe,
and he was at a blackjack table and there was
(13:01):
Ernest Spiner, who at the time was no longer the
Browns running back but Washington running backs coach, and Weiner said, John,
I thought we had you. And Elway said, what do
you mean you thought you had me? And he said,
we thought we had you in a trade. And Elway
found out right then at the blackjack table that he
(13:21):
that there was a trade finished. He was going to Washington,
and you know, they had all the pieces in the
draft picks all figured out. But Pat Bolan wound up
nix in the trade.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Well lucky for us he did.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, And and Elways said, look, it wouldn't have been
bad for me because Washington won the Super Bowl that
year with Mark Rippin. And but still the next year,
despite all that acrimony, the next year, the Broncos went
twelve and four and went to the AFT Championship Game,
where they loss to the Bills. You know, Mecklenburg put
(13:56):
it pretty well. They were there. Elway and Reeves were
too much the same. They were highly highly competitive. They
were both extremely stubborn. And you know, and and the
fact of the matter is the Dan Marinos and the
and the and the and the Moons, who were throwing
(14:17):
the ball all over the yard, they weren't going to
the super Bowl. You had to run the ball and
play to the defense in order to get to the
super Bowl. And that's what the Broncos did. And Reeves
did what was best, and John wanted the ball in
his hands more so there was some there was some
conflict there, but uh, they still won a lot of games,
despite despite the fact that they really couldn't stand each other.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Sometimes sometimes that can sometimes that could lead to great results.
You know, sometimes it takes those personalities like that to
to get the best out of each other.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Right, exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
I appreciate you joining us The l Way Years Inside
the Super Bowl Era of the Different Broncos by Mike
Cliffs Forward by Mike Shannon.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
It's out now, guys.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Want to get your hands on a copy of Mike
I'm love and reading it and I appreciate you taking
some time out tonight.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
You got to go to Amazon dot com guys, and
that that's.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Where you'll find the book Amazon. And I really appreciate you, Yes, sir,
appreciate it. That's my cliss, my news.
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