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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Steve at Water Grant Smith and he's the nude party
T shirt back there behind the glass. And we got
uh Nick ferguson O here cost playing iss Kermit the Frog.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Yes, well, Kermit isn't this type of green, He's more
of an olive my color blindness there.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
I guess, yes, I called.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I said he was stressed up like a limeskittle for
all a week. Come on, man, wrong, it's been a day.
I'll say it's been a day. I guess the energy.
We got a bunch of stuff I want to get to.
Bronco's not making any moves here at the deadline.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
They did make a call about Jayleen Wattle, but it
was not nearly as serious as as.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
People were making it out to be, you know.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
And and we got Twitter Melton down right now trying
to blame George Peyton. George Payton's not the one that
makes that decision, is Sean. Why are they blaming George
for not being aggressive en off and getting Jaylen Wattle?
It was a one in a three for Waddle And
Sean Payton said, no, Sean Payton, who makes the decision
on that, not George. Uh, George just executes it and
and so I, yeah, it's just need to me to
watch that. Meanwhile, the actual target that the Broncos were
(01:03):
out there trying to get tight end Luke musk Grave
from the Green Bay Packers and nephew of Billy Musgrave,
Colorado legend in high school here.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yeah, former Broncos, former Broncos oc. Yeah, they couldn't get that.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Kityler Kraft went down with an injury and all of
a sudden that put any kabash on any chance.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Or anything there. Boy. Well, still David and Joku was
one of those guys.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I don't think they were well with they being the
Broncos or the Packers.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
The Broncos oh no, no, no, I'm talking about the Packers,
you know, considering David and Joko.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
But I don't know why anyone.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Is upset with George Payton because the Broncos didn't make
any moves.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
And obviously I heard the names.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Of Rashi Shahid who's now with the Seattle Seahawks, and uh,
you know Wadle. But I'm like, why would you go
ahead and do that? Why would you bring another receiver
in where the receivers that you have you're not really
utilizing them in the complimentary passing game.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Anyway, if you bring in Jalen Wattle, you're saying you
don't believe in Marvin Mims and Troy Franklin.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
You are, You're emphatically saying it right.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
And that's why did they make that mess part of
the reason they did make same thing with Rashid she Honestly,
you're saying, I don't believe in Marvin Mims.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
If you're bringing them in, but is.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Gonna be back this week, well then I will add
this to the conversation, says the Broncos did not make
the move, and I agree with you that they did
not need those wide receiver because that's what you would
be indicating to the guys currently own theer roster that
you just mentioned.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
So that means, with limping Raiders team coming in here
on Thursday night and Marvin Mims returning, give me an
over under been because I know you like playing the odds.
We will see Marvin Mims going vertical and actually being
targeted and coming down.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
With the ball. What's what's the over under on that.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I believe he'll have a couple of targets as we
He'll be back for the raiders time.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Not targets.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
We've seen the behind the line or bit jet sweet motions.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Okay, yeah, I can't want to say Jimicky bleeps that
they Yeah, thank you. I believe they'll get him some
targets this week. Try to get him back into anything.
We got to figure out something because Troy Franklin is
one of the most inefficient receivers. He had ten targets
in that game against Houston, caught four balls. Yeah, ten
balls thrown your way.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
You got four of them.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I mean did he drop I mean, I don't know
how many he dropped, per se, But you can't have
ten balls thrown your way come away with four can.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I will say this there was one that was thrown
in the left corner of the end zone towards Sobronco.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Sideline, and I mean only going to.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Say it was the best pass that bow could have thrown.
But Darris Stingling made one hell of a play. I
know he jumped up one armed it, yeah, and if
he was trying to pull it into his body for
an interception.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
But he couldn't.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
But I'm not going to hold that against Troy Franklin,
even though it was he was a target or intended receiver.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, I mean, you can't hold it all against Troy Franklin.
But there are times where you know, the ball he's
got to you gotta catch. You're in year too, now, Bud,
like you gotta come down with them. You gotta be
you gotta be catching them. You gotta catch it. That's
what you're there for. So you get paid to do
what was So he's got to be Clipper Franklin. Only yeah,
you know, the football is one man, Detroit Franklin.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
He's the only one catching it. He's the only one
coming down with Steve.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Steve obviously that that is a scene from the movie
The Replacements.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Franklin, the Cliver Franklin can't catch. He's so fast, but
he can't catch the ball.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Oh yeah, on his hands. Oh yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
We have some guys like that back in the day
in college and all that speed, you can't catch a
He just.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Looks like you got two frying pants.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Well, when I was with.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
The Jets and I got this young player, Maurice Carton,
I guess being part of Bill Parcells staff, none of
those guys was short of criticism. And Maurice Carton, you
used to always say about guys who's looked apart. He
would always say, like looked like playing like Jets.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, it's as you know, as we
look at the SAE, I'm I mean, I'm not mad
that the Broncos didn't make any moves. If you're mad,
then you can blame Payton. Is Sean Payton's decision. Sean
Payton thinks the roster is good as is Sean Payton
makes those calls. This is Sean Payton's roster. Sean Payton
believes Sean Payton can win with this.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Okay, Well, with that being said, I'll have both of
you and Steve.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Do you think that this roster is set and it's
the best that it can be at this point?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I think they are. Yeah, I think they're positioned the
best they can be at this point. They could have
gone out and mortgaged part of the future to go
get another body. How quickly is that person going to
adapt to this offense and in these personnel and all
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I don't know, but I I.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Don't see the benefit, yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Right now, I don't.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
I don't see the benefit of giving up something a
future first rounder or two first rounders third.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah, yeah, yes, And I was looking at this, I'm saying,
and as I'm telling everybody, if you don't like it,
blam Sean Payton.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
I agree with what they did.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I agree with not going out there and spending that.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Well, I'm all in favor because if like Benny Follen
was in here yesterday and he was talking about, you know,
the whole Jalen want who type situation, and I'm like,
why give up draft capital and bringing a guy who's
a veteran guy who's a game changer because of the speed.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
When you can save.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
That draft capital and get guys in twenty twenty six
on team Frey Boue deals for four years, yes, whereas
Jalen Wattles balloon payment comes due because that essentially signed
comes due in three years, right around the time you'd
be trying to pay bon Nicks and see that that
is where the decision making or is really going to
(06:36):
come in because you have both Jonathan Cooper and Nick
Benito on very lucrative deals, right you guys Zach Allen
and PS two. So right now you're able to do
that because you have a quarterback on a rookie deal.
What happens when rint comes due, but you got to
pay the QB.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Somethings got to get You can't have two offensive tackles
getting paid, guards getting paid, receiver getting paid, corner getting paid,
two ends.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Getting paid to you, two line backing. I mean, you
just can't do that.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
You know what's crazy is when the New England Patriots
were at their peak and Tom Brady he wasn't the
highest paid quarterback he could have been.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
It should have been.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Well Steve balmering everything over there with the fake you know,
with paying the TV.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Twelve method to be the health thing over there. Yeah, great,
that's right. Creative. You can't say that it's not creative.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Now, it may not sound creative because not everyone is
doing it, but to come up with those types of
ways got in.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Trouble for doing it with John remember this.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
That I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
But once again, it is gonna come due for the Broncos.
So that's why this season is so. But as the
season progressed, the more games they win, and let's just
say both starts putting up better numbers completions through attempts,
touchdowns to ratio as far as interceptions, they're going to
be forced to make a decision, and they're gonna have
to look at their roster and say, well, which of
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these guys will not be here. You're looking at veteran
wide receivers, you're looking at both tackles. I mean, you're
looking at edge rushers. And it's just like if I
had to ask you, guys, of the edge rushers they have,
which guy would you have to would you want to keep?
Opposed to you know, parting off and giving to another
team based on draft pick, which guy would you keep?
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We're talking about Bonito or Johnna Cooper. It's I mean,
like deal is a little bit more favorable. Yeah, the
deal may be favorable, but let's look at production on
the field, because that's what we're talking about Tom as well.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
The question you have.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Then at that point in time is what do you
think of Joana Ellis? Because Ellis is gonna step in
for whichever one of those two you're getting rid of.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
So which one are you getting rid of?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
And and once again, this is the conversation, and you
can't wait till your face with that dilemma to start
considering it.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
You have to start considering it. Now. How far are
we away from that.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
From what having to pay bo I mean, this is
year two, so you gonna have You're gonna have an
extension done and it'll be maybe.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
After two year three. All right, we won't need to
worry about that right now. You'll be negotiating it right now. Nick,
you go too early right now?
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Right you know you can you pick up the fifty
year option as a negotiating still bumps the salary, Well that, George,
don't thinking worry about that right now.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
We're not worried about but it's something that you still
have to think about as.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Coming down the line. It's coming down the pike with
this two or three years down the line, but you
got to prepare for it. You can't import.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
You can't give up draft picks, which by the way,
we've done in spades for our head coach Russell Wilson.
You know, like we gave up a bunch of draft
picks for all that stuff. We're just now getting first
rounders back. You can't We're not getting giving those up
to go out there and import salary that you're going
to need in terms of space to pay your quarterback.
What a balloon payment comes due in a couple of years.
Because that's why the Waddles deal this.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
This is why I'm happy that they didn't go out
and give up draft capital, even if it's third fourth
rounders for guys on other teams. It's like, no, when
I look at this roster, this is a very talented roster.
The thing is that we haven't really seen consistent production offensively.
That's the thing, and that's why fans are like, well,
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go out and make a move, go bring someone else.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
In, because we have no.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I don't think no, we have the talent. It's just
the fact of actually utilizing the talent that you actually have.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
How do you do that? Oh see, that's easy.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Well, I mean I'll say that's easy for me to say. Well,
the first thing you do for me is you reduce
the size of the play sheet. Too many play calls,
too many options. What is it that this team, what
is it that they do? Well, we really don't know,
we really haven't seen it. And then be a little creative,
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create some space. Stop running so many condensed formations, spread
it out, open it up, create some space, right, and
then let bo be Bowl.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Don't have that kid playing in the box.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Because when I watch Bowl play and I'm thinking, Okay,
well bo is playing with two things in his mind. Well,
Bowl wants to do based on what he sees and
what is head coach OC wants him to see and
wants qu No no, no, no, no no, not every
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quarterback anything like that's the way I want to do it.
But I'm going to give you a couple of quarterbacks
and no is Bowl to this level yet?
Speaker 1 (11:45):
No?
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Does he have the skills set and the capability. Yes.
When you think about what Lamar.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Jackson has been able to do, Patrick Mahomes, you think
about Josh Allen, Joe Brady realized, like you know what,
Josh Allen is a unique talent. I'm not gonna put
him in a glasshouse. I'm gonna tell him go out there,
make decisions. We're gonna live and die with what you do.
But if you get too far out there, I'm gonna
reel you back here, right. I mean, that's the difference
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between where we saw Josh Allen in his first year
opposed to where we see him now.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
And if you're telling me Josh Allen, I'm not saying
that he's.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Calling his place, but if he needs to call his
own shot and rely on his legs just what he's
gonna do.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I mean, he's got freedom at the line. Joe Brady's
calling the offense, but he's got freedom at the line.
But I think just about every quarterback then no, no bo,
here is your play call, here is your check, and
that's it?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Is it?
Speaker 5 (12:46):
Because he's they they may not have enough experience in
the system.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I think that this. I think the system is the
head coach and he controls and his his need for
control there.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Once again, I go back to to what we were
told during the pre draft process. What was said to
start this season, fast processor, to pick up information, very talented,
very athletic, resilient, tough as they come. Why is he
in a box? It's like it's like bow leg is
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a damn mine. He's in the box so much Open
the box and let him play.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Well, we see what happened, and it's just this has
been a thing since Champagne's been here. We've seen it
in the fourth quarter when you get outside of like
the the uber control of the offense, you go up
tempo a little bit, you're having to move things. We
saw it with Russ all of a sudden you start winning.
We see it with bow. All of a sudden, you
start winning.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Interesting in, isn't it? Steve right, It's it's funny that
Ben miss.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
In the fourth quarter. What do you think happens in
the fourth quarter?
Speaker 2 (13:48):
No, No, he's not calling his own plays, but plays
are being called to fit his skill set.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
But you don't think they're trying to do it in
first I think they get a sense of urgency. They
dump the screenplays, they start going down to see him
a little bit. You start seeing completions over the middle
in between the numbers and instead of just I mean
the two most common plays we run are that at
bubble screen and a sideline deep shot that that everybody
complains about bow overthrowing. And and I'm like, this is
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you know, what are we doing here? Like the either
one of these things work. I can show you the
things that do work. Let's just get off about it.
I think you see we have another clip of the
sideline of those two wolfing at each other. If he doesn't,
oh boy, I just saying, you know, it's it's not
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I'm not trying to I'm not trying to flighting.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Of not trusting bow. And I know for me it's.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
It can't be that cannot be the case after how
much high praise that he was given. And I'm all
with that high praise because I see the kid and
I know what he's capable of doing.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
We see it in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
The question is that I think a lot of Broncos
fans are asking this question. And Ryan there was ran
into this after he was doing the postgame show. The
fan react. A lot of fans are like, yeah, we won,
but hey man, we got some work to do, and
why is it that bo We see his ability and
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is on display in the fourth quarter. But the question is,
and fans were asking that question, what happens to the
first three quarters? Why can't we do that for all
four quarters? Why only in the fourth quarter?
Speaker 1 (15:31):
You get a sense of tempo, You get a sense
of urgency, your quarterback gets comfortable. You know you've been
running the football a little bit at that point, and
so you get the defense kind of eyeball and that
kind of stuff. I mean, why, to me, we don't
run the ball nearly enough? The frequency with which we
run the football is lack. You should be running the
ball fifty five percent of the time. And I know
that seems backwards, but we're successful at it.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
We get we get JK.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Dobbinson to come in on first down, rip off eight
nine yards, and then we won't see him for fifteen minutes.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Like they put him on ice for some reason.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
Yeah, and you know, I know as a defense, you'd
like to see your office running that ball.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Take a little bit more time off the especially when
you know your time.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Possession is out of whack, and you keep those guys
it was. You keep those guys on the sideline fresh,
You allow them to get after opposing quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
And at the same time they seem to play well though.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
I mean the defense defense plays well tired, not everybody else.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yes, it's part of their DNA. It's part of who
they are now. They realize that this is what they
have to do.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
We gotta make shadowed ice Steves. I'm still in here
for another half hour, Vinty Buns, and you already gonna
join us to talk about the Raiders. I interviewed justin
Star not earlier today. We'll get a chance to play
that one. You guys, listen to Broncos Country night right
here on ko Oh.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
That's really the same story, a different chapping girl. You
see the football is like a one man cold the
cliff of Franklin, Cliver, frank On the one catching it,
clim frank On the wild coming down with it. Dude,
Oh my god, who is it that lit me up? Oh?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
They lit me up so bad in the locker room?
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Was it today?
Speaker 1 (17:09):
No?
Speaker 3 (17:09):
No, no, no no, this was a couple years ago.
I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Oh, Aaron Patrick.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Aaron Patrick lit me up.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Like he's like looking at the alpha dos what in
the He's just looking at me and he's like, I
don't even.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Know what to do. I'm like, hit you were you
about to hit the beamer? And he starts throwing the
whole lot was just laughing, just clouding.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
On the finish jeans jacket combo I had going on.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
He said, what are you? What are you doing?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
You know?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
He let me up good.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
That was That was the best one. Draymot and uh
and Rip got me one time for a shirt that
was a little too snug.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
You know, that made him once again.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
You have to know and I I learned this early
on in my in my life with my complexion being
what it is, there's certain colors that I can't wear right,
and there's certain colors I wear to kind of accentuate
my skin tone. Right, color you can't you wear I
can't run like a hot mustard, like a hot mustard yellow.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Can't do it.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
If I do it, I need to wear another color
that kind of softens the tone. Once again, I can't
even believe I'm talking.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
I don't even think about it that much. I got.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Everything from orange up until like the darker shades that
like everything that's excluded from.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
My color pellete.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
I can't wear tangerine or mustard yellow or like the
light green.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
I don't it just a look right on you like
I would get.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Remember when you were in grade school, they had that
color wheel or whatever.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
A big chunk of that pie.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
I can't wear.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Get the color whill and putting it up to my
face shades.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
I have to do that Colors man class with this
dark skin, like I got colors watches, just trying to
make sure that it matched.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Flut it up to your face clothes.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yes, well, I mean right now mentally, I am aware
of it now, but early on, yeah, that's what I
used to do, make sure you.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Could clown in the locker room.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Wolf.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Yeah, they were not what that was a that was
a day locker room for some of your outfits.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I would never like Ryan was like Ryan was doing
like the Homer Simpson meme, like shrinking back from me
in that moment, like just sit back there.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
I was like.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I was like, man, you got got on at the
right time. He lit me up for that one, and
I deserted because I was wearing some stupid looking clothes.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yes, it's just like like people like my family, we
have Caribbean roots. So like my uncle he used to
wear those u uh, I don't want to call them undershirts.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Let's call them undershirts. You know.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Come on now, you about the tag top, the tank
top you talking about something else?
Speaker 2 (19:42):
The fish nets and the tank tops, Yes, the one
to see through that look like yes, it's like look
like fish like fish net or whatever.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Yeah, I know it was the time people wear that
is a certain type of club like.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Okay, well, when you were Jamaican, you were your uncle
was a frequent the manhole.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
No, no, no no.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
But if you ever, if you, if you ever gone
to Jamaica, you'll see like the undershirts of the fish
net and they're either.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
In green, yellow, red, or black. Undershirts for who for guy. Yes,
and they will wear them.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
He got obviously you guys have never seen it, but yes.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Like this right now. Yes, we're talking about white peters.
That's what you talking about.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Those you're not supposed to you know, I mean, I'm
I supposed to say that or not?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yes, know, but yeah, they will wear stuff like that.
And it's like growing up, like certain people can wear sequence,
other people cannot. Like prints, he can wear a sequence.
That's not a that's not an attire that everyone can wear.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
No, that's what makes the whole sketch funny when Charlie
Murphy is like, yeah, game.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Exactly, you got that, but sure would sections exactly, Steve, I.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Know that during your time playing for the Broncos, you
ran into that where someone came in the locker room
wearing something and everyone looked at each other like.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Doing, Yeah, we all did.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
And even if even if you're outfit looked nice, somebody
was gonna call you away that Yeah yeah, yeah, anyone
going there playing there, you know, throw you wanted the
blanket hair, who's your jackets?
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Jacket? Managed us? But Florida story man, whatever it is, Ben,
do you embrace it? Yeah, embracy, do.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
You I will try to do that five six, six,
nine zeros of text on five and five says, you
guys are talking like we're two and seven, not seven
and two. I challenge Ben to say something positive with
out of being a joke or a backhanded comment.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
No team is perfect, no coach is perfect. But about
their twenty teams? Who would trade for Sean Payton? Right now?
What did I say? That was like derogatory? Everything you said.
I agreed the trade, but I mean weird, like I mean,
I'm a critically I hold him to a different standard
and everything.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
You know, like we're like we're seven too, were about
to be eight and two. Of course, I'm gonna tell
you guys, I am continuing.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
With the reverse jinx.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
I am going to pick the Raiders on the KOI
little chart thing because I keep picking the other team.
We keep winning. So I'm gonna pick the Raiders, and
I'm gonna pick him like a stupid score too, like
three to two, just so everybody knows at the time,
I would never pick the Raiders. But I'm doing this
for y'all because you all you all are superstitious and
tell me, I gotta keep doing this. They help me,
help you, right, So I'm just letting you know when
everybody's clowning. Hey, when I picked the Raiders five to
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two or whatever? Has anyone ever it's never been a
score for a game. Oh, sure, I can look it up.
I always score a game in NFL history.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Three to two. I know there was a college football
game that was that? What?
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (22:46):
What did Auburn Virginia Tech?
Speaker 3 (22:47):
If I remember correct, think Army was playing? Probably, No,
I think probably. I think it was with Ben's favorite quarterback.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I have to look this up because I can't remember.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
You know, he was a Heisman front runner.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Ruction Daily was he absolutely was, he was a finalist. Yeah,
football history, there are two games they finished three to two.
The Dayton Triangles beat the Cleveland Indians Triangles. The then
Chicago now Arizona Cardinals beat the Milwaukee Badgers three to two.
Both those happened. Both those happened in the nineteen twenties.
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It was a long time, yes, all running game.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Both those occurred in Week six of their seasons.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Though, wow, well thank god for the.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
But really quickly to that to that Texas point, No
one's being a debut downer right.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Of course, the team is seven and two.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
You celebrated, But I think we would not be doing
our jobs if we didn't look at the whole visual
of what's taking place. And even though the team is
seven to two, I mean, the score or the execution
would not say that this is seven and two based
on what the offense production has. I think it's safe
to say that, Yeah, I think it's safe to say, well,
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this team still offensively, still has some ways to go
and clutch.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Well, I would say that, I mean they have been.
I made a joke. I mean I didn't when they
have to, but I made a sort of joke on Twitter.
We don't, we won't, we have to, we have.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
To score well, make teams at philosophy to all four quarters.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Then yeah, well, and I made a sort of joke
on Twitter because I was like, is is bo Nick's
Tim Tebow?
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Except he can throw? You know what, here's something that's magical.
I'm just saying he's got that clutch gene.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
You know what I'm talking about it, he's got that,
He's got that dick down.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
In the fourth talut.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
You know what's funny about that, Ben is that when
we sat at burn down watching the game and I
had to watch another Broncos fourth quarter comeback. I actually
wrote that in my notes that there's something T bow esque,
not about Bow, but about the offense, because we all
know when T Bow played here he wasn't great for
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three quarters. In the fourth quarter he would show up
and what was the lynch pin for Tim Tim Timbow
being able to do those things?
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Guess what?
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yes, and and he had a defense to support him
to lift him up.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Until that point.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Now, I'm not going as far as Ben saying that
Bow knicks is like T Bow. I'm looking at the
offense in the way that their style of play.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
I mean that that's Tebo is also taken off on
some I mean that touchdown against the Giants.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
We all saw it.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
We saw we saw the big time.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Runs against Houston Texans there at the end, you know,
I think, But I mean both are better thrower than
people that That was what I was getting at, was
like he's kind of got that that in factor.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
In the you know, lading games. But you can't something
to that.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
But you can't miss and Bow and T Bow. I
haven't even seen your tweet, but I can only guess that, yes,
if what the.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Bid I'm gonna start tagging you guys daily ba.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
We had a playoff when Yeah, I was still looking
for it.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I'm pay I'm just saying I don't know if I
want being to tag me in any of that because
it's on my timeline.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
By the way, Nick and you may get a kick
out of this.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
The highest scoring game in football history as the nine
seven zero points out Georgia Tech two hundred and twenty
two to Cumberland's zero. Yeah, they actually have a picture
of that back in nineteen sixteen.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Yes, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Georgia Tech won two hundred and twenty two to nothing.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
That's when they were wearing leather helmets at that time. Yeah,
nobody want to talk. Yes, sound like I didn't know
what he wanted to stand in front of the offense.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Yes, it's really hard to score that many points.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Like like, how who did they play? Is something called Cumberland?
I don't even know who Cumberland is? So Georgia Tech Cumberland?
That was Cumberland, Georgia. I have no idea. I know
they just put up a massive amount of points. That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
The Cumberland College Bulldog, which apparently is still around they
are now the Cumberland Phoenix Football.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Where are they located? I'm getting the I'm trying to
get the information with this right now. They are in Lebanon, Tennessee.
See it beats the breaks off them boys like that.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
I mean at that point Moss who was is a
small school now, but at that point as a player, powerhouse.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
What do you say though, at that point you just
see there an A I A. So they're not even
you know there? What do you say? A one hundred
to nothing? Remember what we were saying? Yeah, when Miami
got say yes, kid, yeah, keeps How many well yes,
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oh my god? How many coaches have you had say that?
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Coach?
Speaker 3 (27:49):
You keep Troup Wood, God, keep shoup Woods. What do
you say, Hey, yeah, we suck. There ain't no more
for us. No, you can never ever say that to
your players.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Okay, you have to continue to persuade them and encourage
them even when the tips are down.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Hey man, I remember being in a huddle one more
playing I've ever been in a huddle before.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Hey, bro, they are, by the way, has some other
history that they're involved in as well. In two thousand
and one, Jacksonville State University placekicker actually, Martin became the
first woman to play and score in an n C
DOUA a D one game which he kicked an extra
point against Cumberland.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Wow, that's graz Combland took a lot of ls does
it seemed like just.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Saying anyway, were you guys surprised by the saft guard
trade today?
Speaker 3 (28:41):
That was the one I think shocked everybody. I weren't.
I was you the one guy? I was shocked. I'm
always shocked when teams trade away their best player. See, No,
I wasn't, because obviously I talked to a couple of
from people and we can all draw the lines here.
(29:02):
We were on the same.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Mccor because it was just like, well, Sauce Gardner was
drafted in the first round to be that dude coming
out of college that reputations preceded him, and he got
the label falsterly in my opinion, as being one of
the top corners in the league. And then you started
watching his skill set start to digress, and you watched
him grab a lot more And that wasn't a staple
of uh a top five or top five corner. He
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didn't he didn't win to the line of scrimmage with
his feet and that proved to be problematic, and then
all you need is someone who feels as though you
had value.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
And they gave up two first rounders. Yeah, like Colts
paid for Sauce there two first rounders. Yeah. I mean
I get it.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
From Indie's perspective because they're pushing on in and they
don't have anything on one corner on their roster.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
That's it's, you know, So I get it from where
they're coming from to first rounds. That's that is that.
I was in the group chat with a couple of.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
The NFL Network guys and we're all sitting there like
because we're talking about stuff, and that was the only
one that we're like, where did that come from? But
you're so.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
Crazy because a lot of teams will draft and then
their first round draft pick may not turn out.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
To be a great player. So hey that.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
There's something to be said about getting a player that
you know can play versus risking.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Well, I don't know about two of them, but I
was going one, but I don't know about those rounders.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
The other thing that Sauce Garter think does, though it
locks you into Daniel Jones, is your quarterback going fine?
Because you don't have first rounders to be able to
draft anybody. Fine, it locks you into Daniel Jones. I'm
okay with that.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
If I'm a Colts fans in that offense, that office.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
In him, they they I'm not.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
I'm not against it. I'm just saying, Nick, you are
definitely committed. You're a pot committed now.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
So that's Steve.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
I appreciate the time goes too fast. As always, Uh,
we always appreciate you having you Broncos Country that back
up for this
Steve at Water Grant Smith and he's the nude party
T shirt back there behind the glass. And we got
uh Nick ferguson O here cost playing iss Kermit the Frog.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Yes, well, Kermit isn't this type of green, He's more
of an olive my color blindness there.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
I guess, yes, I called.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I said he was stressed up like a limeskittle for
all a week. Come on, man, wrong, it's been a day.
I'll say it's been a day. I guess the energy.
We got a bunch of stuff I want to get to.
Bronco's not making any moves here at the deadline.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
They did make a call about Jayleen Wattle, but it
was not nearly as serious as as.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
People were making it out to be, you know.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
And and we got Twitter Melton down right now trying
to blame George Peyton. George Payton's not the one that
makes that decision, is Sean. Why are they blaming George
for not being aggressive en off and getting Jaylen Wattle?
It was a one in a three for Waddle And
Sean Payton said, no, Sean Payton, who makes the decision
on that, not George. Uh, George just executes it and
and so I, yeah, it's just need to me to
watch that. Meanwhile, the actual target that the Broncos were
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out there trying to get tight end Luke musk Grave
from the Green Bay Packers and nephew of Billy Musgrave,
Colorado legend in high school here.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yeah, former Broncos, former Broncos oc. Yeah, they couldn't get that.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Kityler Kraft went down with an injury and all of
a sudden that put any kabash on any chance.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Or anything there. Boy. Well, still David and Joku was
one of those guys.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I don't think they were well with they being the
Broncos or the Packers.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
The Broncos oh no, no, no, I'm talking about the Packers,
you know, considering David and Joko.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
But I don't know why anyone.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Is upset with George Payton because the Broncos didn't make
any moves.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
And obviously I heard the names.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Of Rashi Shahid who's now with the Seattle Seahawks, and uh,
you know Wadle. But I'm like, why would you go
ahead and do that? Why would you bring another receiver
in where the receivers that you have you're not really
utilizing them in the complimentary passing game.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Anyway, if you bring in Jalen Wattle, you're saying you
don't believe in Marvin Mims and Troy Franklin.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
You are, You're emphatically saying it right.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
And that's why did they make that mess part of
the reason they did make same thing with Rashid she Honestly,
you're saying, I don't believe in Marvin Mims.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
If you're bringing them in, but is.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Gonna be back this week, well then I will add
this to the conversation, says the Broncos did not make
the move, and I agree with you that they did
not need those wide receiver because that's what you would
be indicating to the guys currently own theer roster that
you just mentioned.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
So that means, with limping Raiders team coming in here
on Thursday night and Marvin Mims returning, give me an
over under been because I know you like playing the odds.
We will see Marvin Mims going vertical and actually being
targeted and coming down.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
With the ball. What's what's the over under on that.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I believe he'll have a couple of targets as we
He'll be back for the raiders time.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Not targets.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
We've seen the behind the line or bit jet sweet motions.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Okay, yeah, I can't want to say Jimicky bleeps that
they Yeah, thank you. I believe they'll get him some
targets this week. Try to get him back into anything.
We got to figure out something because Troy Franklin is
one of the most inefficient receivers. He had ten targets
in that game against Houston, caught four balls. Yeah, ten
balls thrown your way.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
You got four of them.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I mean did he drop I mean, I don't know
how many he dropped, per se, But you can't have
ten balls thrown your way come away with four can.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I will say this there was one that was thrown
in the left corner of the end zone towards Sobronco.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Sideline, and I mean only going to.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Say it was the best pass that bow could have thrown.
But Darris Stingling made one hell of a play. I
know he jumped up one armed it, yeah, and if
he was trying to pull it into his body for
an interception.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
But he couldn't.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
But I'm not going to hold that against Troy Franklin,
even though it was he was a target or intended receiver.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, I mean, you can't hold it all against Troy Franklin.
But there are times where you know, the ball he's
got to you gotta catch. You're in year too, now, Bud,
like you gotta come down with them. You gotta be
you gotta be catching them. You gotta catch it. That's
what you're there for. So you get paid to do
what was So he's got to be Clipper Franklin. Only yeah,
you know, the football is one man, Detroit Franklin.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
He's the only one catching it. He's the only one
coming down with Steve.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Steve obviously that that is a scene from the movie
The Replacements.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Franklin, the Cliver Franklin can't catch. He's so fast, but
he can't catch the ball.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Oh yeah, on his hands. Oh yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
We have some guys like that back in the day
in college and all that speed, you can't catch a
He just.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Looks like you got two frying pants.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Well, when I was with.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
The Jets and I got this young player, Maurice Carton,
I guess being part of Bill Parcells staff, none of
those guys was short of criticism. And Maurice Carton, you
used to always say about guys who's looked apart. He
would always say, like looked like playing like Jets.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, it's as you know, as we
look at the SAE, I'm I mean, I'm not mad
that the Broncos didn't make any moves. If you're mad,
then you can blame Payton. Is Sean Payton's decision. Sean
Payton thinks the roster is good as is Sean Payton
makes those calls. This is Sean Payton's roster. Sean Payton
believes Sean Payton can win with this.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Okay, Well, with that being said, I'll have both of
you and Steve.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Do you think that this roster is set and it's
the best that it can be at this point?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I think they are. Yeah, I think they're positioned the
best they can be at this point. They could have
gone out and mortgaged part of the future to go
get another body. How quickly is that person going to
adapt to this offense and in these personnel and all
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I don't know, but I I.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Don't see the benefit, yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Right now, I don't.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
I don't see the benefit of giving up something a
future first rounder or two first rounders third.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah, yeah, yes, And I was looking at this, I'm saying,
and as I'm telling everybody, if you don't like it,
blam Sean Payton.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
I agree with what they did.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I agree with not going out there and spending that.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Well, I'm all in favor because if like Benny Follen
was in here yesterday and he was talking about, you know,
the whole Jalen want who type situation, and I'm like,
why give up draft capital and bringing a guy who's
a veteran guy who's a game changer because of the speed.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
When you can save.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
That draft capital and get guys in twenty twenty six
on team Frey Boue deals for four years, yes, whereas
Jalen Wattles balloon payment comes due because that essentially signed
comes due in three years, right around the time you'd
be trying to pay bon Nicks and see that that
is where the decision making or is really going to
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come in because you have both Jonathan Cooper and Nick
Benito on very lucrative deals, right you guys Zach Allen
and PS two. So right now you're able to do
that because you have a quarterback on a rookie deal.
What happens when rint comes due, but you got to
pay the QB.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Somethings got to get You can't have two offensive tackles
getting paid, guards getting paid, receiver getting paid, corner getting paid,
two ends.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Getting paid to you, two line backing. I mean, you
just can't do that.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
You know what's crazy is when the New England Patriots
were at their peak and Tom Brady he wasn't the
highest paid quarterback he could have been.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
It should have been.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Well Steve balmering everything over there with the fake you know,
with paying the TV.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Twelve method to be the health thing over there. Yeah, great,
that's right. Creative. You can't say that it's not creative.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Now, it may not sound creative because not everyone is
doing it, but to come up with those types of
ways got in.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Trouble for doing it with John remember this.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
That I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
But once again, it is gonna come due for the Broncos.
So that's why this season is so. But as the
season progressed, the more games they win, and let's just
say both starts putting up better numbers completions through attempts,
touchdowns to ratio as far as interceptions, they're going to
be forced to make a decision, and they're gonna have
to look at their roster and say, well, which of
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these guys will not be here. You're looking at veteran
wide receivers, you're looking at both tackles. I mean, you're
looking at edge rushers. And it's just like if I
had to ask you, guys, of the edge rushers they have,
which guy would you have to would you want to keep?
Opposed to you know, parting off and giving to another
team based on draft pick, which guy would you keep?
(08:36):
We're talking about Bonito or Johnna Cooper. It's I mean,
like deal is a little bit more favorable. Yeah, the
deal may be favorable, but let's look at production on
the field, because that's what we're talking about Tom as well.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
The question you have.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Then at that point in time is what do you
think of Joana Ellis? Because Ellis is gonna step in
for whichever one of those two you're getting rid of.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
So which one are you getting rid of?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
And and once again, this is the conversation, and you
can't wait till your face with that dilemma to start
considering it.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
You have to start considering it. Now. How far are
we away from that.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
From what having to pay bo I mean, this is
year two, so you gonna have You're gonna have an
extension done and it'll be maybe.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
After two year three. All right, we won't need to
worry about that right now. You'll be negotiating it right now. Nick,
you go too early right now?
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Right you know you can you pick up the fifty
year option as a negotiating still bumps the salary, Well that, George,
don't thinking worry about that right now.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
We're not worried about but it's something that you still
have to think about as.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Coming down the line. It's coming down the pike with
this two or three years down the line, but you
got to prepare for it. You can't import.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
You can't give up draft picks, which by the way,
we've done in spades for our head coach Russell Wilson.
You know, like we gave up a bunch of draft
picks for all that stuff. We're just now getting first
rounders back. You can't We're not getting giving those up
to go out there and import salary that you're going
to need in terms of space to pay your quarterback.
What a balloon payment comes due in a couple of years.
Because that's why the Waddles deal this.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
This is why I'm happy that they didn't go out
and give up draft capital, even if it's third fourth
rounders for guys on other teams. It's like, no, when
I look at this roster, this is a very talented roster.
The thing is that we haven't really seen consistent production offensively.
That's the thing, and that's why fans are like, well,
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go out and make a move, go bring someone else.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
In, because we have no.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I don't think no, we have the talent. It's just
the fact of actually utilizing the talent that you actually have.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
How do you do that? Oh see, that's easy.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Well, I mean I'll say that's easy for me to say. Well,
the first thing you do for me is you reduce
the size of the play sheet. Too many play calls,
too many options. What is it that this team, what
is it that they do? Well, we really don't know,
we really haven't seen it. And then be a little creative,
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create some space. Stop running so many condensed formations, spread
it out, open it up, create some space, right, and
then let bo be Bowl.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Don't have that kid playing in the box.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Because when I watch Bowl play and I'm thinking, Okay,
well bo is playing with two things in his mind. Well,
Bowl wants to do based on what he sees and
what is head coach OC wants him to see and
wants qu No no, no, no, no no, not every
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quarterback anything like that's the way I want to do it.
But I'm going to give you a couple of quarterbacks
and no is Bowl to this level yet?
Speaker 1 (11:45):
No?
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Does he have the skills set and the capability. Yes.
When you think about what Lamar.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Jackson has been able to do, Patrick Mahomes, you think
about Josh Allen, Joe Brady realized, like you know what,
Josh Allen is a unique talent. I'm not gonna put
him in a glasshouse. I'm gonna tell him go out there,
make decisions. We're gonna live and die with what you do.
But if you get too far out there, I'm gonna
reel you back here, right. I mean, that's the difference
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between where we saw Josh Allen in his first year
opposed to where we see him now.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
And if you're telling me Josh Allen, I'm not saying
that he's.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Calling his place, but if he needs to call his
own shot and rely on his legs just what he's
gonna do.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I mean, he's got freedom at the line. Joe Brady's
calling the offense, but he's got freedom at the line.
But I think just about every quarterback then no, no bo,
here is your play call, here is your check, and
that's it?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Is it?
Speaker 5 (12:46):
Because he's they they may not have enough experience in
the system.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I think that this. I think the system is the
head coach and he controls and his his need for
control there.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Once again, I go back to to what we were
told during the pre draft process. What was said to
start this season, fast processor, to pick up information, very talented,
very athletic, resilient, tough as they come. Why is he
in a box? It's like it's like bow leg is
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a damn mine. He's in the box so much Open
the box and let him play.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Well, we see what happened, and it's just this has
been a thing since Champagne's been here. We've seen it
in the fourth quarter when you get outside of like
the the uber control of the offense, you go up
tempo a little bit, you're having to move things. We
saw it with Russ all of a sudden you start winning.
We see it with bow. All of a sudden, you
start winning.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Interesting in, isn't it? Steve right, It's it's funny that
Ben miss.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
In the fourth quarter. What do you think happens in
the fourth quarter?
Speaker 2 (13:48):
No, No, he's not calling his own plays, but plays
are being called to fit his skill set.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
But you don't think they're trying to do it in
first I think they get a sense of urgency. They
dump the screenplays, they start going down to see him
a little bit. You start seeing completions over the middle
in between the numbers and instead of just I mean
the two most common plays we run are that at
bubble screen and a sideline deep shot that that everybody
complains about bow overthrowing. And and I'm like, this is
(14:14):
you know, what are we doing here? Like the either
one of these things work. I can show you the
things that do work. Let's just get off about it.
I think you see we have another clip of the
sideline of those two wolfing at each other. If he doesn't,
oh boy, I just saying, you know, it's it's not
(14:35):
I'm not trying to I'm not trying to flighting.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Of not trusting bow. And I know for me it's.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
It can't be that cannot be the case after how
much high praise that he was given. And I'm all
with that high praise because I see the kid and
I know what he's capable of doing.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
We see it in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
The question is that I think a lot of Broncos
fans are asking this question. And Ryan there was ran
into this after he was doing the postgame show. The
fan react. A lot of fans are like, yeah, we won,
but hey man, we got some work to do, and
why is it that bo We see his ability and
(15:19):
is on display in the fourth quarter. But the question is,
and fans were asking that question, what happens to the
first three quarters? Why can't we do that for all
four quarters? Why only in the fourth quarter?
Speaker 1 (15:31):
You get a sense of tempo, You get a sense
of urgency, your quarterback gets comfortable. You know you've been
running the football a little bit at that point, and
so you get the defense kind of eyeball and that
kind of stuff. I mean, why, to me, we don't
run the ball nearly enough? The frequency with which we
run the football is lack. You should be running the
ball fifty five percent of the time. And I know
that seems backwards, but we're successful at it.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
We get we get JK.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Dobbinson to come in on first down, rip off eight
nine yards, and then we won't see him for fifteen minutes.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Like they put him on ice for some reason.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
Yeah, and you know, I know as a defense, you'd
like to see your office running that ball.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Take a little bit more time off the especially when
you know your time.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Possession is out of whack, and you keep those guys
it was. You keep those guys on the sideline fresh,
You allow them to get after opposing quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
And at the same time they seem to play well though.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
I mean the defense defense plays well tired, not everybody else.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yes, it's part of their DNA. It's part of who
they are now. They realize that this is what they
have to do.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
We gotta make shadowed ice Steves. I'm still in here
for another half hour, Vinty Buns, and you already gonna
join us to talk about the Raiders. I interviewed justin
Star not earlier today. We'll get a chance to play
that one. You guys, listen to Broncos Country night right
here on ko Oh.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
That's really the same story, a different chapping girl. You
see the football is like a one man cold the
cliff of Franklin, Cliver, frank On the one catching it,
clim frank On the wild coming down with it. Dude,
Oh my god, who is it that lit me up? Oh?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
They lit me up so bad in the locker room?
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Was it today?
Speaker 1 (17:09):
No?
Speaker 3 (17:09):
No, no, no no, this was a couple years ago.
I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Oh, Aaron Patrick.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Aaron Patrick lit me up.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Like he's like looking at the alpha dos what in
the He's just looking at me and he's like, I
don't even.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Know what to do. I'm like, hit you were you
about to hit the beamer? And he starts throwing the
whole lot was just laughing, just clouding.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
On the finish jeans jacket combo I had going on.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
He said, what are you? What are you doing?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
You know?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
He let me up good.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
That was That was the best one. Draymot and uh
and Rip got me one time for a shirt that
was a little too snug.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
You know, that made him once again.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
You have to know and I I learned this early
on in my in my life with my complexion being
what it is, there's certain colors that I can't wear right,
and there's certain colors I wear to kind of accentuate
my skin tone. Right, color you can't you wear I
can't run like a hot mustard, like a hot mustard yellow.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Can't do it.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
If I do it, I need to wear another color
that kind of softens the tone. Once again, I can't
even believe I'm talking.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
I don't even think about it that much. I got.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Everything from orange up until like the darker shades that
like everything that's excluded from.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
My color pellete.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
I can't wear tangerine or mustard yellow or like the
light green.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
I don't it just a look right on you like
I would get.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Remember when you were in grade school, they had that
color wheel or whatever.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
A big chunk of that pie.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
I can't wear.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Get the color whill and putting it up to my
face shades.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
I have to do that Colors man class with this
dark skin, like I got colors watches, just trying to
make sure that it matched.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Flut it up to your face clothes.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yes, well, I mean right now mentally, I am aware
of it now, but early on, yeah, that's what I
used to do, make sure you.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Could clown in the locker room.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Wolf.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Yeah, they were not what that was a that was
a day locker room for some of your outfits.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I would never like Ryan was like Ryan was doing
like the Homer Simpson meme, like shrinking back from me
in that moment, like just sit back there.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
I was like.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I was like, man, you got got on at the
right time. He lit me up for that one, and
I deserted because I was wearing some stupid looking clothes.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yes, it's just like like people like my family, we
have Caribbean roots. So like my uncle he used to
wear those u uh, I don't want to call them undershirts.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Let's call them undershirts. You know.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Come on now, you about the tag top, the tank
top you talking about something else?
Speaker 2 (19:42):
The fish nets and the tank tops, Yes, the one
to see through that look like yes, it's like look
like fish like fish net or whatever.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Yeah, I know it was the time people wear that
is a certain type of club like.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Okay, well, when you were Jamaican, you were your uncle
was a frequent the manhole.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
No, no, no no.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
But if you ever, if you, if you ever gone
to Jamaica, you'll see like the undershirts of the fish
net and they're either.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
In green, yellow, red, or black. Undershirts for who for guy. Yes,
and they will wear them.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
He got obviously you guys have never seen it, but yes.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Like this right now. Yes, we're talking about white peters.
That's what you talking about.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Those you're not supposed to you know, I mean, I'm
I supposed to say that or not?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yes, know, but yeah, they will wear stuff like that.
And it's like growing up, like certain people can wear sequence,
other people cannot. Like prints, he can wear a sequence.
That's not a that's not an attire that everyone can wear.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
No, that's what makes the whole sketch funny when Charlie
Murphy is like, yeah, game.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Exactly, you got that, but sure would sections exactly, Steve, I.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Know that during your time playing for the Broncos, you
ran into that where someone came in the locker room
wearing something and everyone looked at each other like.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Doing, Yeah, we all did.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
And even if even if you're outfit looked nice, somebody
was gonna call you away that Yeah yeah, yeah, anyone
going there playing there, you know, throw you wanted the
blanket hair, who's your jackets?
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Jacket? Managed us? But Florida story man, whatever it is, Ben,
do you embrace it? Yeah, embracy, do.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
You I will try to do that five six, six,
nine zeros of text on five and five says, you
guys are talking like we're two and seven, not seven
and two. I challenge Ben to say something positive with
out of being a joke or a backhanded comment.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
No team is perfect, no coach is perfect. But about
their twenty teams? Who would trade for Sean Payton? Right now?
What did I say? That was like derogatory? Everything you said.
I agreed the trade, but I mean weird, like I mean,
I'm a critically I hold him to a different standard
and everything.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
You know, like we're like we're seven too, were about
to be eight and two. Of course, I'm gonna tell
you guys, I am continuing.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
With the reverse jinx.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
I am going to pick the Raiders on the KOI
little chart thing because I keep picking the other team.
We keep winning. So I'm gonna pick the Raiders, and
I'm gonna pick him like a stupid score too, like
three to two, just so everybody knows at the time,
I would never pick the Raiders. But I'm doing this
for y'all because you all you all are superstitious and
tell me, I gotta keep doing this. They help me,
help you, right, So I'm just letting you know when
everybody's clowning. Hey, when I picked the Raiders five to
(22:32):
two or whatever? Has anyone ever it's never been a
score for a game. Oh, sure, I can look it up.
I always score a game in NFL history.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Three to two. I know there was a college football
game that was that? What?
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (22:46):
What did Auburn Virginia Tech?
Speaker 3 (22:47):
If I remember correct, think Army was playing? Probably, No,
I think probably. I think it was with Ben's favorite quarterback.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I have to look this up because I can't remember.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
You know, he was a Heisman front runner.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Ruction Daily was he absolutely was, he was a finalist. Yeah,
football history, there are two games they finished three to two.
The Dayton Triangles beat the Cleveland Indians Triangles. The then
Chicago now Arizona Cardinals beat the Milwaukee Badgers three to two.
Both those happened. Both those happened in the nineteen twenties.
(23:22):
It was a long time, yes, all running game.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Both those occurred in Week six of their seasons.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Though, wow, well thank god for the.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
But really quickly to that to that Texas point, No
one's being a debut downer right.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Of course, the team is seven and two.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
You celebrated, But I think we would not be doing
our jobs if we didn't look at the whole visual
of what's taking place. And even though the team is
seven to two, I mean, the score or the execution
would not say that this is seven and two based
on what the offense production has. I think it's safe
to say that, Yeah, I think it's safe to say, well,
(24:03):
this team still offensively, still has some ways to go
and clutch.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Well, I would say that, I mean they have been.
I made a joke. I mean I didn't when they
have to, but I made a sort of joke on Twitter.
We don't, we won't, we have to, we have.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
To score well, make teams at philosophy to all four quarters.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Then yeah, well, and I made a sort of joke
on Twitter because I was like, is is bo Nick's
Tim Tebow?
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Except he can throw? You know what, here's something that's magical.
I'm just saying he's got that clutch gene.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
You know what I'm talking about it, he's got that,
He's got that dick down.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
In the fourth talut.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
You know what's funny about that, Ben is that when
we sat at burn down watching the game and I
had to watch another Broncos fourth quarter comeback. I actually
wrote that in my notes that there's something T bow esque,
not about Bow, but about the offense, because we all
know when T Bow played here he wasn't great for
(24:57):
three quarters. In the fourth quarter he would show up
and what was the lynch pin for Tim Tim Timbow
being able to do those things?
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Guess what?
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yes, and and he had a defense to support him
to lift him up.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Until that point.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Now, I'm not going as far as Ben saying that
Bow knicks is like T Bow. I'm looking at the
offense in the way that their style of play.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
I mean that that's Tebo is also taken off on
some I mean that touchdown against the Giants.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
We all saw it.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
We saw we saw the big time.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Runs against Houston Texans there at the end, you know,
I think, But I mean both are better thrower than
people that That was what I was getting at, was
like he's kind of got that that in factor.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
In the you know, lading games. But you can't something
to that.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
But you can't miss and Bow and T Bow. I
haven't even seen your tweet, but I can only guess that, yes,
if what the.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Bid I'm gonna start tagging you guys daily ba.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
We had a playoff when Yeah, I was still looking
for it.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I'm pay I'm just saying I don't know if I
want being to tag me in any of that because
it's on my timeline.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
By the way, Nick and you may get a kick
out of this.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
The highest scoring game in football history as the nine
seven zero points out Georgia Tech two hundred and twenty
two to Cumberland's zero. Yeah, they actually have a picture
of that back in nineteen sixteen.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Yes, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Georgia Tech won two hundred and twenty two to nothing.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
That's when they were wearing leather helmets at that time. Yeah,
nobody want to talk. Yes, sound like I didn't know
what he wanted to stand in front of the offense.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Yes, it's really hard to score that many points.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Like like, how who did they play? Is something called Cumberland?
I don't even know who Cumberland is? So Georgia Tech Cumberland?
That was Cumberland, Georgia. I have no idea. I know
they just put up a massive amount of points. That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
The Cumberland College Bulldog, which apparently is still around they
are now the Cumberland Phoenix Football.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Where are they located? I'm getting the I'm trying to
get the information with this right now. They are in Lebanon, Tennessee.
See it beats the breaks off them boys like that.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
I mean at that point Moss who was is a
small school now, but at that point as a player, powerhouse.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
What do you say though, at that point you just
see there an A I A. So they're not even
you know there? What do you say? A one hundred
to nothing? Remember what we were saying? Yeah, when Miami
got say yes, kid, yeah, keeps How many well yes,
(27:46):
oh my god? How many coaches have you had say that?
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Coach?
Speaker 3 (27:49):
You keep Troup Wood, God, keep shoup Woods. What do
you say, Hey, yeah, we suck. There ain't no more
for us. No, you can never ever say that to
your players.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Okay, you have to continue to persuade them and encourage
them even when the tips are down.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Hey man, I remember being in a huddle one more
playing I've ever been in a huddle before.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Hey, bro, they are, by the way, has some other
history that they're involved in as well. In two thousand
and one, Jacksonville State University placekicker actually, Martin became the
first woman to play and score in an n C
DOUA a D one game which he kicked an extra
point against Cumberland.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Wow, that's graz Combland took a lot of ls does
it seemed like just.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Saying anyway, were you guys surprised by the saft guard
trade today?
Speaker 3 (28:41):
That was the one I think shocked everybody. I weren't.
I was you the one guy? I was shocked. I'm
always shocked when teams trade away their best player. See, No,
I wasn't, because obviously I talked to a couple of
from people and we can all draw the lines here.
(29:02):
We were on the same.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Mccor because it was just like, well, Sauce Gardner was
drafted in the first round to be that dude coming
out of college that reputations preceded him, and he got
the label falsterly in my opinion, as being one of
the top corners in the league. And then you started
watching his skill set start to digress, and you watched
him grab a lot more And that wasn't a staple
of uh a top five or top five corner. He
(29:27):
didn't he didn't win to the line of scrimmage with
his feet and that proved to be problematic, and then
all you need is someone who feels as though you
had value.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
And they gave up two first rounders. Yeah, like Colts
paid for Sauce there two first rounders. Yeah. I mean
I get it.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
From Indie's perspective because they're pushing on in and they
don't have anything on one corner on their roster.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
That's it's, you know, So I get it from where
they're coming from to first rounds. That's that is that.
I was in the group chat with a couple of.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
The NFL Network guys and we're all sitting there like
because we're talking about stuff, and that was the only
one that we're like, where did that come from? But
you're so.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
Crazy because a lot of teams will draft and then
their first round draft pick may not turn out.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
To be a great player. So hey that.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
There's something to be said about getting a player that
you know can play versus risking.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Well, I don't know about two of them, but I
was going one, but I don't know about those rounders.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
The other thing that Sauce Garter think does, though it
locks you into Daniel Jones, is your quarterback going fine?
Because you don't have first rounders to be able to
draft anybody. Fine, it locks you into Daniel Jones. I'm
okay with that.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
If I'm a Colts fans in that offense, that office.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
In him, they they I'm not.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
I'm not against it. I'm just saying, Nick, you are
definitely committed. You're a pot committed now.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
So that's Steve.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
I appreciate the time goes too fast. As always, Uh,
we always appreciate you having you Broncos Country that back
up for this
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