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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Text line guys. A couple of things. We got the
numbers on the Wattenberg contract. Get those in just a second?
Did Twitter drop the new feature where people can like
call your phone and FaceTime you? And I am like
apopleptic right now because I've had like five people try to.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
To call me that.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I'm like, you got hell no like people, I would
never give my phone number two.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Well, that's kind of a special enhanced feature for individuals
with your let yourself with large following.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I thought you would be a call gun on about that.
I am. I am absolutely not cool with this.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I thought you were a man of the people who
you wanted to interact with the people.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Now the people can get it. They get interact with
me on Twitter. They do not need to call my phone.
And we know how people are. I'm gonna get people
called my phone at three in the morning. You know
you know how this is gonna go. Well, you know
I'm going to delete that app off my phone tonight. Hey, listen,
you wanted a to B now you got it. No,
I ain't just see way out of it all access
to you, man.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I got somebody reach it out to be telling me
how I could turn it off now.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
So I'm like, I would only assume.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
That you can go through your settings and go to
that particular app and go and turn that feature off.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Would that not be the case. Yeah, I'm I'm that's
what I'm waiting on. I'm waiting on.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I got a guy who's like tell He tells me
there's a setting here, but I can't find it, So
I'm having him like, like dig for it now so
I can turn that off, because that is not okay.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Yeah, what's which I found out? When you found out
when I couldn't call you?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
What is going on here? I'm gout answering that. Yeah,
you saw my off, I saw my face come out of.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
I would answer it, isn't that such a giant invasion
of privacy?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Like I didn't agree to that. Well, once again, it
goes back to your settings.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
And sometimes when you but the fault setting should be
it should be off. The false setting should not be
the some random on Twitter who follows me.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
You can call my phone hey man, Uh, that's where
we are now. And then we reached outed we one.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
We as a gaming system from Nintendo, you know we
I'm no, I absolutely not that is uh.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
That is unbelievable. Hell no, This is one of the.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Reasons when you update your phone or an app, make
sure you go in and you read the terms of services,
but you also check the.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Settings because the settings often change.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
But most people say, Ben, they don't have anything to hide,
so it's.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
A fair game.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah, I'm trying to I'm trying to see where Oh
there we go, sound the setting?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
My goodness, that is absolutely Have you have you update
your phone recently? I mean the update was just the
update was just pushed out. There we go.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I got it all right, that's it. Like there's no
way that I was ever leaving that setting. Like I
was gonna spend the rest of the evening on that.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
So I'm not gone. One has been avoided.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, dude, Rong got like two hundred and twenty five
thousand followers, man, and most of them are not nice people.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
A few of you are, Okay, Well, maybe they just
wanted to check in and make sure, yeah, I'm doing
well on Thanksgiving?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Huh right, Yeah, Like if they couldn't often, then I
was either deleting the app or I was gonna have
a wildly inappropriate to delete the app.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
So I was gonna have a wildly.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Inappropriate picture, so that when I answer it and the
FaceTime comes up, that was gonna be what they see.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
So they'd never do it again.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Sure, sure, you were, you were as I will find
some way to cause uh, let's just blow my phone
up at three am.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
On.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Now you're talking about the Watburg numbers. Wattenberg numbers here,
Hang on, it's uh pulling back up.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Looks like it's a four year deal and I don't know, Zach,
you get the numbers of pre he was a forty
eight million.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Forty eight million, twenty five million over the first two years.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Paula Sero says, Okay, so that's basically a two year
deal with team.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Options after that.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah, forty eight million for Luke Wattenberg over four that's
twelve many that's pretty rich.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Well, you know what, I guess the organization felt as
though he worked himself up into that position. And now
before that, this backup for just a second, Lloyd Kushienbury
manned that Posts and the Broncos were a void of
a center.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Weidenberg stepped up.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Things seem to be going well, and we've seen this
before when the Broncos were coming off of somewhat of
a buy contracts.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Were done, so good for him. Luke Waidberg is now
the fifth highest paid center in the league. Hey, good
for him. I'm not hating on him. I'm not hating
on him getting the bag. I'm kind of looking at
the Broncos.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
Like man, I don't know, I had the same initial reaction.
Looking into it a little more, I think the rankings
make it sound worse than it is because there just
aren't that many high paid centers on veteran contracts, like
by percentage of the cap at signing. When adjusting for inflation,
he's at four percent of the cap estimated right, the
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highest paid center in the league's at eight percent, so
he ranks fifth, But when adjusting for inflation or whatever,
it's it's closer to like what Lloyd Cushionberry signed with
the two.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Five a year. I mean that's just basically it's the
highest paid center Creet Humphrey at eighteen million a year.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, to twelve million a year is I mean for
a center like centers and guards.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Usually where you save the money.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Well, I think I think the idea was that you're
looking at continuity. That's the biggest thing because when when
we think about and I don't have the numbers in
front of me, Well, Sham Payton was with the New
Orleans Saints. That was their big thing, trying to keep
the officive line together to protect Drew Brees.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
And you have to figure that this is what you're
trying to do.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
You could go out, you know, and go out and
get a young center, right, but once again you're talking
about the lack of an experience, and that's what they're
banking on.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
The experience and the continuity.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
And I can tell you personally, man, when it comes
to having continuity on your offense and your defense, but
more importantly up front on either side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Hey man, you got to pay the calls to be
the boss.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah, to be fair, I mean, this is the Sean
Payton playbook. He does pay the offensive line. He'll pay
one receiver, you know, as far as that kind of
stuff goes. Now, he's had a little bit of money
to splash on the defensive side of the ball that
they normally don't have on a Sean Payton team because
you're not paying a quarterback that he were paying Drew Brees.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
From the outset.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
They're in New Orleans, So they've had the added advantage
of having being able to pay a defense while bow
is on the rookie deal. That that on evaporates in
two years, which is when this contract evaporates to a
lot of this stuff is set up to so's there's
a financial fluidity to it. But what we're saying at
this point is is this is the window, and we're
pushing in.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Exactly because Ri's gonna come doe once the team starts
to look at the bow Knicks contract. And if this
team continues on this trajectory that they're on right now,
and they continue to win games, they get that number
one seed, or even if they don't get the number
one seed, they make some noise in the playoffs. I mean,
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you have to think a lot of guys on expiring
deals they're gonna get some pay bumps, whether that's with
the Denver Broncos or somewhere else. So the Broncos are
trying to make sure that their core guys are taken
care of, and they've done that.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I mean, was Will Lutz the other day, now Wattenberg today.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
So what it's saying around the league is that you
come here, you play well. We feel as though you're
a good guy in the locker room, in the community,
and you are able to go out and do your job.
The team will take care of Now, it may not
always work out the way you want to be taken
care of, but they're going to take care of you
enough to say, okay.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Well we believe in you enough to give you some
of the deal.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
And that's kind of what the Broncos did with this
contract with Wattenberg. So once again, good for him, good
for his family, more importantly, good for bo because now
he knows, at least for two more years until ranks
come do with him, that you'll be protected and you
have that chemistry with your center.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah, at the end of the day, I mean, I
get it. I just that would just kind of took
me a little bit of back with you know. I mean,
is Luke Wattenberg a top five center in this league
because hes getting paid like a top five center?
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I mean, I don't know, I know that.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
You know, typically teams these days feel like the market inefficiency.
You know, you pay the tackles and you kind of
keep turning it up on the inside.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
That's not the way Sean Payn's operated.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
I mean, We've seen him go out there and pay
was it, Eric McCoy, I think Caesar's.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Got interior line.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
We've seen Sean Payton pay interior offensive lineman before. Now
where you're Robin Peter to pay Paul at some point
right now, you got Bo on the rookie deal, so
he can get away with it. Once Bo does get
that contract in a couple of years, assuming he does,
then you have to start taking money from the defense.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Well, I think with this move right now, I would
say that you are taking money away from the defense
because when you think about Justice Surnad, you think about
John Franklin, Myers, guys like that who have played well defensively,
right they are marquee stables.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
To this defense.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
And this defense is the reason, one of the reason
why the team is nine and two at this particular moment.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
And once again, let me take you behind the curtain.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Because the idea is that we're gonna pour our money
into our offense at this stage or offensive line. We
can go out and get players and insert them into
the foal as far as defensively and thinking, okay, well,
as long as Vance Joseph is the defensive coordinator and
you have Nick Benito, John the Cooper and Zach Allen.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
You'll be fine. That's kind of the idea.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
My problem with that is I would be stunned if
Vance Joseph is the defensive coordator of de Mo Broncos
next year.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Done.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Okay, So I'm gonna say to you what Grant, Steve, Dave,
Logan and Ryan never said to me, because I mentioned.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
That very thing. It too as well. Let's not talk
about that.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Let's not act as though or start to push Vans
Joseph out. I know, because this is what I was
trying to tell them. They were not being realistic about
the situation.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Right. Oh, they're trying to pay We're gonna throw money
at it. Well, the idea is they're gonna throw money
at him, and ideas of that.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Though Vance may be happy with where he's at as
a Demons a coordinator and paying him maybe I don't know,
fifteen million dollars making him the highest paid decordinator, he
will stay.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Yeah, the Broncos are probably gonna have Jim Leonard as
defensive coordinator next year, and they're gonna have two third
round draft picks for it.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Well, see those five guys and certain members of Broncos Country.
They don't want you to speak truth to power because
these are the things that happen in pro sports. You
do well, people on expiring deals or coaches who are
doing well, other teams want to poach your roster, and
that's how this thing works.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Now.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
I hope Vance stay, but I understand if he decides to, Hey,
someone wants to give me an opportunity, and that team
may not be playing well right now, but it gives
me an opportunity to really prove myself.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
As it evens a coordinator. Look, I get it, understand.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Let me put this entire Let me put this to
the rec can understand. I'm not dancing around it anymore.
I want Vance Joseph to stay. I am reporting or
I am saying that based on sourcing, I do not
believe he will be back for.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Any amount of money. So take that, leave that, do
what you will with that. I believe he'll be a
head coach.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
No One, but no one wants you to have this
conversation because well, why we are already shipping individuals off
players and coaches.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I'm prepared, I know, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
For me, How is it any different to being honest
about John Frankly Myers and I get a contract because individuals.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
And that's my problem.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
It's like you can root for the Broncos as I
root for them, and I want everyone to have success.
But but we got to be your delusional if you're
thinking that these conversations are not taking place with other
organizations that need a head coach or need players to
feel important roster positions proper, what is the proper.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Planning prior proper planning prevents port performance exactly.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
So in this case, teams are going to try to prepare.
And what I'm saying and what you're saying right now
is this is part of the course you are preparing,
and luckily you do. If that would have happened, not
to say that it will, but if it would have happened,
you already have Jim Leonard.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah, I'm trying to get you, Just get Broncos fans
to have one eye on the present and one eye
on the future, because that's where you got to be
at this point.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
You're not.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I mean, you know you're a good football team now, right,
That's the way you got to be in order to
maintain You've got to have one.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Eye on the present.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
And what the situation is currently, and then one eye
on where you're going to be and what all you're
gonna have to replace at the end of the year.
Because when you have success, everybody wants to bite.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
I mean, for those out there listening, members of Buncle's country,
you know, anyone who may be in the Bronco's organization listening,
this is where you want to be, right, This is
where you were trying to get to all those years
where you were missing the playoffs, to a point where
everyone's talking about your team, everyone's talking about your coaching staff,
everyone's talking about your quarterback. And that's that's what you
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want because that means that you're doing something.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Before then no one give it damn yeah, right, So
to have.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Everyone's talking about your team and everyone watching them, and
more importantly, the pressure is on. The pressure is on
to perform and really take this nine and two and
really do something with it.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Yeah, and that that's you know again, I don't want
to I don't want to spray cold water on the
winning party right now, but just being honest with you,
I would be absolutely it would be the most shocking
thing to me if fans Joseph back his defensive quarterball.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Well is you had the sign of a great organization
in building a right culture when your coaches have to
make a decision whether they want to stay or they lead,
because to me, that's what you're in a game for.
I mean, the ownership came and say they wanted to
make sure that they continue the culture that was established
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with Mike Shanahan and mister b they're doing that from
their standpoint with the alumni and their fans, everything.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
They're doing in the community.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
So with Seahn Payton stepping in, you're stepping into that culture,
and that's the culture you want to establish. You come here,
we're gonna win freaking football games. And when we win
freaking football games, your buddy may be here. He may
not be here because someone may come after him, or
he may be here and he might get a bag.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Yet people people gonna want a piece of it, and
they're want to pay for it.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
And that's that's what happens. I mean, it's inevitable.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
You look at places at Baltimore, Green Bay, wherever you get,
you start to have success. The San Francisco forty nine ers,
who have had one of the best succession plans of
all time. Yes, you know, people you get success, people
want a piece of that success.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
And when no one's going after to your players and
your coaching staff, that's when it tells you about.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
The quality of your organization. Think Cleveland Brown. Yeah, about
what happened with Tim Couch years ago. Nobody up there
trying to poach anybody on that staff. No, no, one
defense could be.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
An oc tomorrow if if you know, get fired, if
somebody like, there's nobody out there like I'm just I'm hunting,
I'm hit hunting Brown's people. No, you know, could be
Andrew Berry's lieutenant. No, like on the front office.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
If there was a player on the Browns roster that
you said today, Man, I give a couple first round
draft picks.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Four is only one guy and that's Miles Garrett. Yeah,
that's it right, and his contracts untradable at this point.
So is what it is? Real quick?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Here a couple of different things here, four h six
guys just tuning in, feel like this is.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
A terrible decision.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I don't necessarily believe in everything pro football focuses, but
they have Wattenberg. Great is the twentieth best center in
the league. Well, I you will see again. And this
one kind of took me a back a little. I
knew they were I knew they put a feeler out
to him. I didn't know it was that high. But
that matches to Sean Tayton play. But Sean Tayton pays
offensive line and face one receiver, and he pays offense
of lineman, and he pays.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
He'll pay a quarterback. Sometimes he'll pay a tight end.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
He'll give uh, he'll give you know, he'll do cheap
deals for running backs. But he'll bring up you know,
I always have a veteran in there, and and that's
that's it, and then whatever's left over they try to
work out.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
A defense with. That's gript. This is. It's been the
same script since since New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I tried to warn people back in the day, back
when we first came here and it was Tim Patrick
and Cortland Sutton. I'm like, one of those guys gonna
be going right away just because this is not how
Sean Payton roster constructs. So you know, that's that is
what it is. And we'll see how that kind of
stuff goes. So we got to hit a break. We'll
be back right after.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
This five six sixty nine Zeros text line. Big news
going on right now.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Obviously, Luke Wattenberg signed to the four year, forty million
dollars deal by the Denver Broncos. With that, we'll go
out to the Kwait Collis Trail hotline. Bring on a
good friend, Breemas just pret how you doing this evening?
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Fantastic things for us and hoping you guys are.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Well doing well.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Luke Wattenberg getting the four year deal probably Malcolm Roach
up next. What do you think of the contract for
Luke Wattenberg.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
I wasn't necessarily expecting it. I think four years, forty
eight million a great starting point. I think what it's
saying is that the team wants to signal and the
front office is being loud and clear that they believe
in building from within. I think the extension is doubling
down on growth and cohesion, not really starting from a
place of short term patchwork and going outside of the organization.
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I think it's as far as the numbers go, I
think it's right in line with where you would expect
it because finding a starting center in this league is
pretty difficult, and I think what matters is twenty five
and beyond. They're still playing very meaningful football top of
the AFC, and it's building a stability along the offensive line,
which is foundational. It helps protect Bonnix, it helps the
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run game, which Wattenberg has been extremely important, and it
sets the platform for an offense that can continue to
grow with the experience and the time. And so I
feel like this is really rare when it comes to
consistency along the line, and Denver just bought themselves as
you see in a stability up the middle.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Well, I'm not one to count anyone's pockets, but this
is something that you have to look at when the
team is performing as well as the Broncos are performing.
And another guy like a Wadenberg who has stepped in
my the league, stepped in last year, he stepped in
this year.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
He's playing well.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
And if I'm not mistaken, he is a free agent
after the season.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
That's Justine Strenad.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
What have you seen so far from Justice Trenaud that
would tell you that maybe the team should look deep
and long and try to get him to a long
term deal.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
Well in charge the entire defense is concerned, I think
should they should be turning out every couch cushion and
pocket they can find in order to find the change
to keep a lot of these guys, And that goes
outside of Ben mentioned earlier, Malcolm Roach and what does
it look like for Jonathan Myers, And then you're looking
at a Justin Stannaut, who is a part of a
unit that has been a little bit of a questionable
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point when it comes to a nine and two team, right,
you got to find something to complain about the middle
of the field and the protection there that you've seen,
and having Alex Singleton go down and having Justin Shurnad
needing to step up when green Law isn't available, Like
there's all these switching of resistance you find along the
depth of the bench here for the Denver Broncos defense,
that Justin Shaant came into a place where he was
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able to step in and play remarkably high tiered defense.
So they need to find the ability to pay a
lot of guys, and Surnat is at the top of
my list simply because that group and that unit in
general is going to need as much help as they
can get. And the continuity goes on both sides of
the ball. So I'd love for them to find a
way to do it, and I'm thinking with the wall
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and per ownership group, but that's not really going to
be an issue going forward. I like that most of
these contracts are being set up in the way that
a lot of the incentives and et cetera can really
carry these contracts further and they can be reworked out online.
But absolutely, Nick that prioritize that one above all else.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
You know, the Broncos are coming up on a bonex
pay day here in a couple of years, and that
is going to mean some belt tighten. You look at
the Sean Payton construction of rosters over the years. He
pays the offensive line, he'll pay one receiver, he'll pay
a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
But after that, I mean, really it's they try to.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Churn and burn with you know, very low tier veteran
contracts or rookie deals. You go look at the defensive
side of the ball. They just kind of get what's
left over. Brouckles already paid a kicker, Now you paid
a center. You know, in two years, are we are we?
You know, I don't want to say blow this thing up,
but we're going to have to make some decisions once
it comes time to pay bo.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
Yike. So you're giving my anxiety anxiety. I think when
you start looking at that picture, you have to look
at what you're building along the depth of you know,
are you drafting appropriately? Are you looking at the long term?
Like you can't run with the offensive line as it
is going forward without possibly drafting a tackle or what
I thought was going to be a center. You have
to build an annuity into the system. And so I
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think you know with the combination that is George Payton
and Sean Payton in their different modalities and what it
takes to build a team is that if it's a
long term vision and that's what they're looking to do,
that they have to anticipate that you lose some of
that talent, whether it's on the line, within the trenches,
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whether or not you are building your guys up so
that when it comes to the end of their contract,
they're getting picked up by another team and you're just
able to replicate that because your system really should be
built to take the individual and really get the most
out of them. We see Vance Josephs doing it, and
I think Sean Payton is really trying to build something
(21:43):
in which he can make everyone successful at what they're
good at, or you've seeing a little bit of a
struggle there on the offense, and we can probably get
to that in another portion of the conversation. But I
don't think it's time to panic necessarily, And you know,
knowing me, I'll probably be up all night thinking about it,
wondering if they're going to be planning for the future
past three years. But I think you make the tiny
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steps as it is right now to reward your team.
Signing Will Watts and rewarding Luke Rottenberg and so on
and so forth just shows that everyone is on this
next guy up and they will get paid, they will
stick the stay of the course. And Sean Payton has
a team full of all of his guys now he
has the ability to do so. And I think this rebuild,
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in this new era of Denver Broncos football, is putting
them into the prime opportunity to build that relationship and
that tenure that sort of serves itself as they build
guys up through the system.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
With how both Nix is played in the fourth quarter,
is it time for Sean Payton? And once again, we're
not in week nine, We're twelve week thirteen. Is it
time to take the training whells off, stop handling Vogue
with white gloves, and allow him to go out there
and use his athleticism to extend drives and make these
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explosive or these wild type plays.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Yeah. I mean it's an interesting question, and you you
mentioned Shonkay and so I'm going to start with you know,
what we will potentially see as he's kind of the
king of the late season adjustments and so typically they're
centering around tightening up the identity, leaning into what the
roster does best. I think he's a coach who likes
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to self scout aggressively during the buy and really learning,
you know, taking emphasis from what Andy Reid does and
maybe trim out some concepts that don't fit. And I
think that leads to the natural progression of elevating what
works and what doesn't. I think you have the first
half of the season to really test that out and
see what bo Nix is doing well, what puts him
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in the most confident position. I expect him to streamline
the offense, and I think that allows for that to
organically include fewer formations. Maybe I would say an emphasis
on being like situationally masterful. I think that a lot
of that includes saving wrinkles, right like you get rid
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of all these unique self inflicted wounds, and your game
management improves because you've been in these positions before, you've
gotten past the heavy part of your season, and then
you're allowing to when you say open up bone Nix,
I think it is the opportunity to allow some of
those big plays that maybe have gone the wayside via
drops by some of his targets and you know include
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you know, the receivers maybe missing those opportunities to make
those big plays count. But also I think bon Nicks
is doing a really wonderful job of doing what is
asked of him. And so when you talk about maybe limitations,
I think the measured effect of this offense is really
what's taken them to this nine and two record. I
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think that it allows the defense to be strong and
otherworldly and dominant and really change the scope in the
momentum of these games instead of necessarily hoping that the
quarterback has to use lights out endeavors. Now in the
same breath, I'm going to tell you these fourth quarter
comebacks and these these like switches in the brain are
very b Nix esque and how do you represent that
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quality while also keeping it within what Sean Payton wants
to do. I think they have to find the happy
marriage within those two balances of what if Bonix do well?
How do we build is confident? How do we make
sure that those pop uh, those pop plays and those
those uh incredibly strategic quarters from him are four quarters
of football and not just the fourth quarter of football.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
I would bringiate this and yeah, I tend to I
tend to agree with that as well. We've been talking
a little bit about avanced Joseph and how he's kind
of doing the PR tour right now. He's getting the
car wash out in front with everything. You know, that's
that's got to be. First of all, it's got to
be approved by your head coach, and second of all,
it's seems to sort of indicate a little something there.
I would be shocked if fans Joseph does not get
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a head coaching job and on for the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
One. Do you feel the same way too?
Speaker 1 (26:03):
How sad are you going to be if Vance Joseph
moves on this all season?
Speaker 5 (26:08):
Well, you would hate to see what you think is
the proponent for all his success, which I absolutely agree
that he is because he deserves a ton of credit.
You know, after having season struggles, after having the kind
of tenure that you did here before, and being released
and coming back and having a fracturing of your coaching
staff and coming into a system that you weren't necessarily
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comfortable with, vance Joseph finds a way to get it done,
whether it's chess or I know, necklects to consider him
a guiver. He's been able to take everything that he
has been given to him, whether it's roster, whether it's
the cherry on top. When you get these off season
acquisitions like a Telenohufunga or a Dray green Law, and
he just keeps adding to it. He simplifies where it's needed.
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He's able to mix these games with a bit of
aggression and a bit of patience. And I love the
masterclass that he is able to put on. And that's
why the member one. Because defensive ranked as highly as
they are along with you know a multitude of other teams,
and I think they do certain things really well. He
knows when to heat up the quarterback pressures and grow
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these young defenders, and he is making the circuit and
I think that is a very appropriate given what he's
been able to do, and it just keeps getting better
year after year, and it's absolutely a sign of trustworthy
coaching as someone who can take it to the next level.
Van Joseph will absolutely get another opportunity to coach a team.
I hope that it's a good fit for him and
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that it just ultimately works out, because I think when
your players buy into a certain amount of coaching, the
turnarounds really impressive, and he's going to be able to
do with that in most places that he goes to.
As far as the rating of sadness, incredibly sad, like,
now you've started anxiety, and now you've triggered my depression.
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I don't know how I'm going to recover from it.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Ultimately, we'll get your anxiety depression and your heart attack
medication with the fourth quarter heart attack, So.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
Yeah, exactly, my blood pressure through the roof. I do
not know if I'm going to make it to the
end of the season, but I know vans Joseph will,
and we'll be talking about what he was able to
do with this roster in certainty for a very long time.
But that doesn't mean that this organization is going to
lose out. They've built it into their system. They have
Jim Leonard, they have the rest of the positional coaches. Yes,
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there will be attrition simply because Sean Payton and the
team and the Broncos and everybody involved has really built
it to be successful so they can take the next step.
Who knows, though, there is also the attribution that he
could want to stay with the Broncos simply because he
loves what he's built and this roster doesn't seem to
be fracturing much when it comes to next season. So
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there is also a percentage chance that will allow me
to rest well this evening that he could potentially stay
in Denver. But if he were to take something else,
I absolutely support it.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I'm just going to advise you to take a deep breath,
continue to watch Goes highlights, and relish in the now
and think about the future once it actually comes up
and rears its ugly head. But as far as present
time is concerned, no, JK. Dobbins and we've seen Jelil McLoughlin,
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we've seen RJ.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Harvey, both of those guys.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
I would say we're efficient in the games that we've
seen leading up to this point in Jalil, you know,
getting his first opportunity against the Raiders. What does this
Broncos run game look like moving forward? What do you
think happens?
Speaker 2 (29:37):
And will they.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Add another running back to kind of help carry the
load or should they?
Speaker 5 (29:43):
Well, yeah, Erdie were just telling me to live in
the now, and now I got to scope out the
entire future of this rushing attack, and I don't have
a really good grip on it, simply because you know,
you lose out on a Damian Pearce, which a little
bit of a sucker punch as he goes to the
Chiefs on the practice squad. But I think the next
step is publishing a little bit of rhythm, I think,
rather than rotation by circumstance, which you're now seeing because JK.
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Dobbins is out. I think Denver has the talent in
the backfield, but I think it is reactive in how
they feel they need to use each player. One player
gets hot for a drive. We were seeing that when
Jaheta Hubns with Healthy and then it kind of disappears
for a little bit. We talked a little bit about
the extension right with Gadget plays and how that plays
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into the run game and it allows you to kind
of elevate the your yardage and make conversions when you
don't have the physicality of a workhouse back. But I
think that if you define it in an early downback
who handles physical work, you just above the average for
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most teams. What it's going to come down to is
is going to be more of an emphasis on bow
and I think because he is mobile, because he is
able to scramble efficiently, and because he does have legs,
I think you lean into it, which is funny consider
to start the season we were talking about taking the
pressure off of them, so I feel like you have
to get a little bit creative. I don't necessarily want
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to see a lot of trick plays, but I think
you have to lean into Bonix's legs. You have to
lean into RJ. Harvey. Is he going to take up
the same amount of snaps or the efficiency that you
saw from Dobbins. Not necessarily, but you have to start somewhere,
and it's got to be strategically. I think that the
run game will come. I hope that it is more
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unpredictable and it is more efficient As they head into
this last stretch of the season. I think it's a
you know, in tie with the Wattenberg extension that they're
really banking on that. And then it allows for a
stretch of dominance, a stretch of volatility for defenses if
they're not always expecting Bonis to throw the ball. So
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I'm hoping that the run game becomes a top to
your priority and who knows, maybe during the bye week
that was the center point of conversations as the Broncos
try to figure out how they're going to walk away
with a win. The head to the commanders right.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Nice from Leu's talk, Broncos, appreciate.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
Your time to night, Thank you so much, guys. How
you you too? O.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
I was love talking to uh to bring and it
didn't mean to rile up for both her depression, anxiety
and or heart attack medication at the same time.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
The Holy Triumvirate of watching the Denver Broncos. What did
what did I warn you? That? Did I warn? I
continue to warn people. No one wants to listen. It's
like the Curse of King Tott. Remember like the movie
The Mummy, Right.
Speaker 6 (32:32):
Yeah, she's turning into a pilot dust right now, just
a questions.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
I'm just like trying to you know, I mean, like
I try to get the pulse of what other people
feel about this, Like the mummy man, you're trying to
get the pulse.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
You're gonna end the pulse. I mean, you know, given
how many fourth quarters we've had, they might have ended
my pulse.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
I think nikers and pills to take care of my
heart at that point with the heart attack horses this year.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
But you know, I love it's fun. We're coming away
with the winds. We come back.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
I want to get into a little bit of how
it what our confidence level is with this Washington game,
and I talk a.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Little bit more about your doors, Sanders and and what
we feel about that. You guys listen to Broncos County
Night here on Kaway
Text line guys. A couple of things. We got the
numbers on the Wattenberg contract. Get those in just a second?
Did Twitter drop the new feature where people can like
call your phone and FaceTime you? And I am like
apopleptic right now because I've had like five people try to.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
To call me that.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I'm like, you got hell no like people, I would
never give my phone number two.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Well, that's kind of a special enhanced feature for individuals
with your let yourself with large following.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I thought you would be a call gun on about that.
I am. I am absolutely not cool with this.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I thought you were a man of the people who
you wanted to interact with the people.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Now the people can get it. They get interact with
me on Twitter. They do not need to call my phone.
And we know how people are. I'm gonna get people
called my phone at three in the morning. You know
you know how this is gonna go. Well, you know
I'm going to delete that app off my phone tonight. Hey, listen,
you wanted a to B now you got it. No,
I ain't just see way out of it all access
to you, man.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I got somebody reach it out to be telling me
how I could turn it off now.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
So I'm like, I would only assume.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
That you can go through your settings and go to
that particular app and go and turn that feature off.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Would that not be the case. Yeah, I'm I'm that's
what I'm waiting on. I'm waiting on.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I got a guy who's like tell He tells me
there's a setting here, but I can't find it, So
I'm having him like, like dig for it now so
I can turn that off, because that is not okay.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Yeah, what's which I found out? When you found out
when I couldn't call you?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
What is going on here? I'm gout answering that. Yeah,
you saw my off, I saw my face come out of.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
I would answer it, isn't that such a giant invasion
of privacy?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Like I didn't agree to that. Well, once again, it
goes back to your settings.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
And sometimes when you but the fault setting should be
it should be off. The false setting should not be
the some random on Twitter who follows me.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
You can call my phone hey man, Uh, that's where
we are now. And then we reached outed we one.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
We as a gaming system from Nintendo, you know we
I'm no, I absolutely not that is uh.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
That is unbelievable. Hell no, This is one of the.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Reasons when you update your phone or an app, make
sure you go in and you read the terms of services,
but you also check the.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Settings because the settings often change.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
But most people say, Ben, they don't have anything to hide,
so it's.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
A fair game.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah, I'm trying to I'm trying to see where Oh
there we go, sound the setting?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
My goodness, that is absolutely Have you have you update
your phone recently? I mean the update was just the
update was just pushed out. There we go.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I got it all right, that's it. Like there's no
way that I was ever leaving that setting. Like I
was gonna spend the rest of the evening on that.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
So I'm not gone. One has been avoided.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, dude, Rong got like two hundred and twenty five
thousand followers, man, and most of them are not nice people.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
A few of you are, Okay, Well, maybe they just
wanted to check in and make sure, yeah, I'm doing
well on Thanksgiving?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Huh right, Yeah, Like if they couldn't often, then I
was either deleting the app or I was gonna have
a wildly inappropriate to delete the app.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
So I was gonna have a wildly.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Inappropriate picture, so that when I answer it and the
FaceTime comes up, that was gonna be what they see.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
So they'd never do it again.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Sure, sure, you were, you were as I will find
some way to cause uh, let's just blow my phone
up at three am.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
On.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Now you're talking about the Watburg numbers. Wattenberg numbers here,
Hang on, it's uh pulling back up.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Looks like it's a four year deal and I don't know, Zach,
you get the numbers of pre he was a forty
eight million.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Forty eight million, twenty five million over the first two years.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Paula Sero says, Okay, so that's basically a two year
deal with team.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Options after that.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah, forty eight million for Luke Wattenberg over four that's
twelve many that's pretty rich.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Well, you know what, I guess the organization felt as
though he worked himself up into that position. And now
before that, this backup for just a second, Lloyd Kushienbury
manned that Posts and the Broncos were a void of
a center.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Weidenberg stepped up.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Things seem to be going well, and we've seen this
before when the Broncos were coming off of somewhat of
a buy contracts.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Were done, so good for him. Luke Waidberg is now
the fifth highest paid center in the league. Hey, good
for him. I'm not hating on him. I'm not hating
on him getting the bag. I'm kind of looking at
the Broncos.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
Like man, I don't know, I had the same initial reaction.
Looking into it a little more, I think the rankings
make it sound worse than it is because there just
aren't that many high paid centers on veteran contracts, like
by percentage of the cap at signing. When adjusting for inflation,
he's at four percent of the cap estimated right, the
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highest paid center in the league's at eight percent, so
he ranks fifth, But when adjusting for inflation or whatever,
it's it's closer to like what Lloyd Cushionberry signed with
the two.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Five a year. I mean that's just basically it's the
highest paid center Creet Humphrey at eighteen million a year.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, to twelve million a year is I mean for
a center like centers and guards.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Usually where you save the money.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Well, I think I think the idea was that you're
looking at continuity. That's the biggest thing because when when
we think about and I don't have the numbers in
front of me, Well, Sham Payton was with the New
Orleans Saints. That was their big thing, trying to keep
the officive line together to protect Drew Brees.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
And you have to figure that this is what you're
trying to do.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
You could go out, you know, and go out and
get a young center, right, but once again you're talking
about the lack of an experience, and that's what they're
banking on.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
The experience and the continuity.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
And I can tell you personally, man, when it comes
to having continuity on your offense and your defense, but
more importantly up front on either side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Hey man, you got to pay the calls to be
the boss.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah, to be fair, I mean, this is the Sean
Payton playbook. He does pay the offensive line. He'll pay
one receiver, you know, as far as that kind of
stuff goes. Now, he's had a little bit of money
to splash on the defensive side of the ball that
they normally don't have on a Sean Payton team because
you're not paying a quarterback that he were paying Drew Brees.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
From the outset.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
They're in New Orleans, So they've had the added advantage
of having being able to pay a defense while bow
is on the rookie deal. That that on evaporates in
two years, which is when this contract evaporates to a
lot of this stuff is set up to so's there's
a financial fluidity to it. But what we're saying at
this point is is this is the window, and we're
pushing in.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Exactly because Ri's gonna come doe once the team starts
to look at the bow Knicks contract. And if this
team continues on this trajectory that they're on right now,
and they continue to win games, they get that number
one seed, or even if they don't get the number
one seed, they make some noise in the playoffs. I mean,
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you have to think a lot of guys on expiring
deals they're gonna get some pay bumps, whether that's with
the Denver Broncos or somewhere else. So the Broncos are
trying to make sure that their core guys are taken
care of, and they've done that.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I mean, was Will Lutz the other day, now Wattenberg today.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
So what it's saying around the league is that you
come here, you play well. We feel as though you're
a good guy in the locker room, in the community,
and you are able to go out and do your job.
The team will take care of Now, it may not
always work out the way you want to be taken
care of, but they're going to take care of you
enough to say, okay.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Well we believe in you enough to give you some
of the deal.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
And that's kind of what the Broncos did with this
contract with Wattenberg. So once again, good for him, good
for his family, more importantly, good for bo because now
he knows, at least for two more years until ranks
come do with him, that you'll be protected and you
have that chemistry with your center.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah, at the end of the day, I mean, I
get it. I just that would just kind of took
me a little bit of back with you know. I mean,
is Luke Wattenberg a top five center in this league
because hes getting paid like a top five center?
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I mean, I don't know, I know that.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
You know, typically teams these days feel like the market inefficiency.
You know, you pay the tackles and you kind of
keep turning it up on the inside.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
That's not the way Sean Payn's operated.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
I mean, We've seen him go out there and pay
was it, Eric McCoy, I think Caesar's.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Got interior line.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
We've seen Sean Payton pay interior offensive lineman before. Now
where you're Robin Peter to pay Paul at some point
right now, you got Bo on the rookie deal, so
he can get away with it. Once Bo does get
that contract in a couple of years, assuming he does,
then you have to start taking money from the defense.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Well, I think with this move right now, I would
say that you are taking money away from the defense
because when you think about Justice Surnad, you think about
John Franklin, Myers, guys like that who have played well defensively,
right they are marquee stables.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
To this defense.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
And this defense is the reason, one of the reason
why the team is nine and two at this particular moment.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
And once again, let me take you behind the curtain.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Because the idea is that we're gonna pour our money
into our offense at this stage or offensive line. We
can go out and get players and insert them into
the foal as far as defensively and thinking, okay, well,
as long as Vance Joseph is the defensive coordinator and
you have Nick Benito, John the Cooper and Zach Allen.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
You'll be fine. That's kind of the idea.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
My problem with that is I would be stunned if
Vance Joseph is the defensive coordator of de Mo Broncos
next year.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Done.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Okay, So I'm gonna say to you what Grant, Steve, Dave,
Logan and Ryan never said to me, because I mentioned.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
That very thing. It too as well. Let's not talk
about that.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Let's not act as though or start to push Vans
Joseph out. I know, because this is what I was
trying to tell them. They were not being realistic about
the situation.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Right. Oh, they're trying to pay We're gonna throw money
at it. Well, the idea is they're gonna throw money
at him, and ideas of that.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Though Vance may be happy with where he's at as
a Demons a coordinator and paying him maybe I don't know,
fifteen million dollars making him the highest paid decordinator, he
will stay.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Yeah, the Broncos are probably gonna have Jim Leonard as
defensive coordinator next year, and they're gonna have two third
round draft picks for it.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Well, see those five guys and certain members of Broncos Country.
They don't want you to speak truth to power because
these are the things that happen in pro sports. You
do well, people on expiring deals or coaches who are
doing well, other teams want to poach your roster, and
that's how this thing works.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Now.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
I hope Vance stay, but I understand if he decides to, Hey,
someone wants to give me an opportunity, and that team
may not be playing well right now, but it gives
me an opportunity to really prove myself.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
As it evens a coordinator. Look, I get it, understand.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Let me put this entire Let me put this to
the rec can understand. I'm not dancing around it anymore.
I want Vance Joseph to stay. I am reporting or
I am saying that based on sourcing, I do not
believe he will be back for.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Any amount of money. So take that, leave that, do
what you will with that. I believe he'll be a
head coach.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
No One, but no one wants you to have this
conversation because well, why we are already shipping individuals off
players and coaches.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I'm prepared, I know, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
For me, How is it any different to being honest
about John Frankly Myers and I get a contract because individuals.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
And that's my problem.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
It's like you can root for the Broncos as I
root for them, and I want everyone to have success.
But but we got to be your delusional if you're
thinking that these conversations are not taking place with other
organizations that need a head coach or need players to
feel important roster positions proper, what is the proper.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Planning prior proper planning prevents port performance exactly.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
So in this case, teams are going to try to prepare.
And what I'm saying and what you're saying right now
is this is part of the course you are preparing,
and luckily you do. If that would have happened, not
to say that it will, but if it would have happened,
you already have Jim Leonard.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah, I'm trying to get you, Just get Broncos fans
to have one eye on the present and one eye
on the future, because that's where you got to be
at this point.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
You're not.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I mean, you know you're a good football team now, right,
That's the way you got to be in order to
maintain You've got to have one.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Eye on the present.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
And what the situation is currently, and then one eye
on where you're going to be and what all you're
gonna have to replace at the end of the year.
Because when you have success, everybody wants to bite.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
I mean, for those out there listening, members of Buncle's country,
you know, anyone who may be in the Bronco's organization listening,
this is where you want to be, right, This is
where you were trying to get to all those years
where you were missing the playoffs, to a point where
everyone's talking about your team, everyone's talking about your coaching staff,
everyone's talking about your quarterback. And that's that's what you
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want because that means that you're doing something.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Before then no one give it damn yeah, right, So
to have.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Everyone's talking about your team and everyone watching them, and
more importantly, the pressure is on. The pressure is on
to perform and really take this nine and two and
really do something with it.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Yeah, and that that's you know again, I don't want
to I don't want to spray cold water on the
winning party right now, but just being honest with you,
I would be absolutely it would be the most shocking
thing to me if fans Joseph back his defensive quarterball.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Well is you had the sign of a great organization
in building a right culture when your coaches have to
make a decision whether they want to stay or they lead,
because to me, that's what you're in a game for.
I mean, the ownership came and say they wanted to
make sure that they continue the culture that was established
(14:13):
with Mike Shanahan and mister b they're doing that from
their standpoint with the alumni and their fans, everything.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
They're doing in the community.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
So with Seahn Payton stepping in, you're stepping into that culture,
and that's the culture you want to establish. You come here,
we're gonna win freaking football games. And when we win
freaking football games, your buddy may be here. He may
not be here because someone may come after him, or
he may be here and he might get a bag.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Yet people people gonna want a piece of it, and
they're want to pay for it.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
And that's that's what happens. I mean, it's inevitable.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
You look at places at Baltimore, Green Bay, wherever you get,
you start to have success. The San Francisco forty nine ers,
who have had one of the best succession plans of
all time. Yes, you know, people you get success, people
want a piece of that success.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
And when no one's going after to your players and
your coaching staff, that's when it tells you about.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
The quality of your organization. Think Cleveland Brown. Yeah, about
what happened with Tim Couch years ago. Nobody up there
trying to poach anybody on that staff. No, no, one
defense could be.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
An oc tomorrow if if you know, get fired, if
somebody like, there's nobody out there like I'm just I'm hunting,
I'm hit hunting Brown's people. No, you know, could be
Andrew Berry's lieutenant. No, like on the front office.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
If there was a player on the Browns roster that
you said today, Man, I give a couple first round
draft picks.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Four is only one guy and that's Miles Garrett. Yeah,
that's it right, and his contracts untradable at this point.
So is what it is? Real quick?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Here a couple of different things here, four h six
guys just tuning in, feel like this is.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
A terrible decision.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I don't necessarily believe in everything pro football focuses, but
they have Wattenberg. Great is the twentieth best center in
the league. Well, I you will see again. And this
one kind of took me a back a little. I
knew they were I knew they put a feeler out
to him. I didn't know it was that high. But
that matches to Sean Tayton play. But Sean Tayton pays
offensive line and face one receiver, and he pays offense
of lineman, and he pays.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
He'll pay a quarterback. Sometimes he'll pay a tight end.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
He'll give uh, he'll give you know, he'll do cheap
deals for running backs. But he'll bring up you know,
I always have a veteran in there, and and that's
that's it, and then whatever's left over they try to
work out.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
A defense with. That's gript. This is. It's been the
same script since since New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I tried to warn people back in the day, back
when we first came here and it was Tim Patrick
and Cortland Sutton. I'm like, one of those guys gonna
be going right away just because this is not how
Sean Payton roster constructs. So you know, that's that is
what it is. And we'll see how that kind of
stuff goes. So we got to hit a break. We'll
be back right after.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
This five six sixty nine Zeros text line. Big news
going on right now.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Obviously, Luke Wattenberg signed to the four year, forty million
dollars deal by the Denver Broncos. With that, we'll go
out to the Kwait Collis Trail hotline. Bring on a
good friend, Breemas just pret how you doing this evening?
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Fantastic things for us and hoping you guys are.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Well doing well.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Luke Wattenberg getting the four year deal probably Malcolm Roach
up next. What do you think of the contract for
Luke Wattenberg.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
I wasn't necessarily expecting it. I think four years, forty
eight million a great starting point. I think what it's
saying is that the team wants to signal and the
front office is being loud and clear that they believe
in building from within. I think the extension is doubling
down on growth and cohesion, not really starting from a
place of short term patchwork and going outside of the organization.
(17:31):
I think it's as far as the numbers go, I
think it's right in line with where you would expect
it because finding a starting center in this league is
pretty difficult, and I think what matters is twenty five
and beyond. They're still playing very meaningful football top of
the AFC, and it's building a stability along the offensive line,
which is foundational. It helps protect Bonnix, it helps the
(17:52):
run game, which Wattenberg has been extremely important, and it
sets the platform for an offense that can continue to
grow with the experience and the time. And so I
feel like this is really rare when it comes to
consistency along the line, and Denver just bought themselves as
you see in a stability up the middle.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Well, I'm not one to count anyone's pockets, but this
is something that you have to look at when the
team is performing as well as the Broncos are performing.
And another guy like a Wadenberg who has stepped in
my the league, stepped in last year, he stepped in
this year.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
He's playing well.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
And if I'm not mistaken, he is a free agent
after the season.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
That's Justine Strenad.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
What have you seen so far from Justice Trenaud that
would tell you that maybe the team should look deep
and long and try to get him to a long
term deal.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
Well in charge the entire defense is concerned, I think
should they should be turning out every couch cushion and
pocket they can find in order to find the change
to keep a lot of these guys, And that goes
outside of Ben mentioned earlier, Malcolm Roach and what does
it look like for Jonathan Myers, And then you're looking
at a Justin Stannaut, who is a part of a
unit that has been a little bit of a questionable
(19:06):
point when it comes to a nine and two team, right,
you got to find something to complain about the middle
of the field and the protection there that you've seen,
and having Alex Singleton go down and having Justin Shurnad
needing to step up when green Law isn't available, Like
there's all these switching of resistance you find along the
depth of the bench here for the Denver Broncos defense,
that Justin Shaant came into a place where he was
(19:26):
able to step in and play remarkably high tiered defense.
So they need to find the ability to pay a
lot of guys, and Surnat is at the top of
my list simply because that group and that unit in
general is going to need as much help as they
can get. And the continuity goes on both sides of
the ball. So I'd love for them to find a
way to do it, and I'm thinking with the wall
(19:46):
and per ownership group, but that's not really going to
be an issue going forward. I like that most of
these contracts are being set up in the way that
a lot of the incentives and et cetera can really
carry these contracts further and they can be reworked out online.
But absolutely, Nick that prioritize that one above all else.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
You know, the Broncos are coming up on a bonex
pay day here in a couple of years, and that
is going to mean some belt tighten. You look at
the Sean Payton construction of rosters over the years. He
pays the offensive line, he'll pay one receiver, he'll pay
a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
But after that, I mean, really it's they try to.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Churn and burn with you know, very low tier veteran
contracts or rookie deals. You go look at the defensive
side of the ball. They just kind of get what's
left over. Brouckles already paid a kicker, Now you paid
a center. You know, in two years, are we are we?
You know, I don't want to say blow this thing up,
but we're going to have to make some decisions once
it comes time to pay bo.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
Yike. So you're giving my anxiety anxiety. I think when
you start looking at that picture, you have to look
at what you're building along the depth of you know,
are you drafting appropriately? Are you looking at the long term?
Like you can't run with the offensive line as it
is going forward without possibly drafting a tackle or what
I thought was going to be a center. You have
to build an annuity into the system. And so I
(21:01):
think you know with the combination that is George Payton
and Sean Payton in their different modalities and what it
takes to build a team is that if it's a
long term vision and that's what they're looking to do,
that they have to anticipate that you lose some of
that talent, whether it's on the line, within the trenches,
(21:22):
whether or not you are building your guys up so
that when it comes to the end of their contract,
they're getting picked up by another team and you're just
able to replicate that because your system really should be
built to take the individual and really get the most
out of them. We see Vance Josephs doing it, and
I think Sean Payton is really trying to build something
(21:43):
in which he can make everyone successful at what they're
good at, or you've seeing a little bit of a
struggle there on the offense, and we can probably get
to that in another portion of the conversation. But I
don't think it's time to panic necessarily, And you know,
knowing me, I'll probably be up all night thinking about it,
wondering if they're going to be planning for the future
past three years. But I think you make the tiny
(22:04):
steps as it is right now to reward your team.
Signing Will Watts and rewarding Luke Rottenberg and so on
and so forth just shows that everyone is on this
next guy up and they will get paid, they will
stick the stay of the course. And Sean Payton has
a team full of all of his guys now he
has the ability to do so. And I think this rebuild,
(22:27):
in this new era of Denver Broncos football, is putting
them into the prime opportunity to build that relationship and
that tenure that sort of serves itself as they build
guys up through the system.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
With how both Nix is played in the fourth quarter,
is it time for Sean Payton? And once again, we're
not in week nine, We're twelve week thirteen. Is it
time to take the training whells off, stop handling Vogue
with white gloves, and allow him to go out there
and use his athleticism to extend drives and make these
(23:02):
explosive or these wild type plays.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Yeah. I mean it's an interesting question, and you you
mentioned Shonkay and so I'm going to start with you know,
what we will potentially see as he's kind of the
king of the late season adjustments and so typically they're
centering around tightening up the identity, leaning into what the
roster does best. I think he's a coach who likes
(23:27):
to self scout aggressively during the buy and really learning,
you know, taking emphasis from what Andy Reid does and
maybe trim out some concepts that don't fit. And I
think that leads to the natural progression of elevating what
works and what doesn't. I think you have the first
half of the season to really test that out and
see what bo Nix is doing well, what puts him
(23:48):
in the most confident position. I expect him to streamline
the offense, and I think that allows for that to
organically include fewer formations. Maybe I would say an emphasis
on being like situationally masterful. I think that a lot
of that includes saving wrinkles, right like you get rid
(24:11):
of all these unique self inflicted wounds, and your game
management improves because you've been in these positions before, you've
gotten past the heavy part of your season, and then
you're allowing to when you say open up bone Nix,
I think it is the opportunity to allow some of
those big plays that maybe have gone the wayside via
drops by some of his targets and you know include
(24:32):
you know, the receivers maybe missing those opportunities to make
those big plays count. But also I think bon Nicks
is doing a really wonderful job of doing what is
asked of him. And so when you talk about maybe limitations,
I think the measured effect of this offense is really
what's taken them to this nine and two record. I
(24:53):
think that it allows the defense to be strong and
otherworldly and dominant and really change the scope in the
momentum of these games instead of necessarily hoping that the
quarterback has to use lights out endeavors. Now in the
same breath, I'm going to tell you these fourth quarter
comebacks and these these like switches in the brain are
very b Nix esque and how do you represent that
(25:16):
quality while also keeping it within what Sean Payton wants
to do. I think they have to find the happy
marriage within those two balances of what if Bonix do well?
How do we build is confident? How do we make
sure that those pop uh, those pop plays and those
those uh incredibly strategic quarters from him are four quarters
of football and not just the fourth quarter of football.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
I would bringiate this and yeah, I tend to I
tend to agree with that as well. We've been talking
a little bit about avanced Joseph and how he's kind
of doing the PR tour right now. He's getting the
car wash out in front with everything. You know, that's
that's got to be. First of all, it's got to
be approved by your head coach, and second of all,
it's seems to sort of indicate a little something there.
I would be shocked if fans Joseph does not get
(25:58):
a head coaching job and on for the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
One. Do you feel the same way too?
Speaker 1 (26:03):
How sad are you going to be if Vance Joseph
moves on this all season?
Speaker 5 (26:08):
Well, you would hate to see what you think is
the proponent for all his success, which I absolutely agree
that he is because he deserves a ton of credit.
You know, after having season struggles, after having the kind
of tenure that you did here before, and being released
and coming back and having a fracturing of your coaching
staff and coming into a system that you weren't necessarily
(26:28):
comfortable with, vance Joseph finds a way to get it done,
whether it's chess or I know, necklects to consider him
a guiver. He's been able to take everything that he
has been given to him, whether it's roster, whether it's
the cherry on top. When you get these off season
acquisitions like a Telenohufunga or a Dray green Law, and
he just keeps adding to it. He simplifies where it's needed.
(26:50):
He's able to mix these games with a bit of
aggression and a bit of patience. And I love the
masterclass that he is able to put on. And that's
why the member one. Because defensive ranked as highly as
they are along with you know a multitude of other teams,
and I think they do certain things really well. He
knows when to heat up the quarterback pressures and grow
(27:10):
these young defenders, and he is making the circuit and
I think that is a very appropriate given what he's
been able to do, and it just keeps getting better
year after year, and it's absolutely a sign of trustworthy
coaching as someone who can take it to the next level.
Van Joseph will absolutely get another opportunity to coach a team.
I hope that it's a good fit for him and
(27:31):
that it just ultimately works out, because I think when
your players buy into a certain amount of coaching, the
turnarounds really impressive, and he's going to be able to
do with that in most places that he goes to.
As far as the rating of sadness, incredibly sad, like,
now you've started anxiety, and now you've triggered my depression.
(27:52):
I don't know how I'm going to recover from it.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Ultimately, we'll get your anxiety depression and your heart attack
medication with the fourth quarter heart attack, So.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
Yeah, exactly, my blood pressure through the roof. I do
not know if I'm going to make it to the
end of the season, but I know vans Joseph will,
and we'll be talking about what he was able to
do with this roster in certainty for a very long time.
But that doesn't mean that this organization is going to
lose out. They've built it into their system. They have
Jim Leonard, they have the rest of the positional coaches. Yes,
(28:23):
there will be attrition simply because Sean Payton and the
team and the Broncos and everybody involved has really built
it to be successful so they can take the next step.
Who knows, though, there is also the attribution that he
could want to stay with the Broncos simply because he
loves what he's built and this roster doesn't seem to
be fracturing much when it comes to next season. So
(28:43):
there is also a percentage chance that will allow me
to rest well this evening that he could potentially stay
in Denver. But if he were to take something else,
I absolutely support it.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I'm just going to advise you to take a deep breath,
continue to watch Goes highlights, and relish in the now
and think about the future once it actually comes up
and rears its ugly head. But as far as present
time is concerned, no, JK. Dobbins and we've seen Jelil McLoughlin,
(29:18):
we've seen RJ.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Harvey, both of those guys.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
I would say we're efficient in the games that we've
seen leading up to this point in Jalil, you know,
getting his first opportunity against the Raiders. What does this
Broncos run game look like moving forward? What do you
think happens?
Speaker 2 (29:37):
And will they.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Add another running back to kind of help carry the
load or should they?
Speaker 5 (29:43):
Well, yeah, Erdie were just telling me to live in
the now, and now I got to scope out the
entire future of this rushing attack, and I don't have
a really good grip on it, simply because you know,
you lose out on a Damian Pearce, which a little
bit of a sucker punch as he goes to the
Chiefs on the practice squad. But I think the next
step is publishing a little bit of rhythm, I think,
rather than rotation by circumstance, which you're now seeing because JK.
(30:06):
Dobbins is out. I think Denver has the talent in
the backfield, but I think it is reactive in how
they feel they need to use each player. One player
gets hot for a drive. We were seeing that when
Jaheta Hubns with Healthy and then it kind of disappears
for a little bit. We talked a little bit about
the extension right with Gadget plays and how that plays
(30:26):
into the run game and it allows you to kind
of elevate the your yardage and make conversions when you
don't have the physicality of a workhouse back. But I
think that if you define it in an early downback
who handles physical work, you just above the average for
(30:47):
most teams. What it's going to come down to is
is going to be more of an emphasis on bow
and I think because he is mobile, because he is
able to scramble efficiently, and because he does have legs,
I think you lean into it, which is funny consider
to start the season we were talking about taking the
pressure off of them, so I feel like you have
to get a little bit creative. I don't necessarily want
(31:08):
to see a lot of trick plays, but I think
you have to lean into Bonix's legs. You have to
lean into RJ. Harvey. Is he going to take up
the same amount of snaps or the efficiency that you
saw from Dobbins. Not necessarily, but you have to start somewhere,
and it's got to be strategically. I think that the
run game will come. I hope that it is more
(31:28):
unpredictable and it is more efficient As they head into
this last stretch of the season. I think it's a
you know, in tie with the Wattenberg extension that they're
really banking on that. And then it allows for a
stretch of dominance, a stretch of volatility for defenses if
they're not always expecting Bonis to throw the ball. So
(31:49):
I'm hoping that the run game becomes a top to
your priority and who knows, maybe during the bye week
that was the center point of conversations as the Broncos
try to figure out how they're going to walk away
with a win. The head to the commanders right.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Nice from Leu's talk, Broncos, appreciate.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
Your time to night, Thank you so much, guys. How
you you too? O.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
I was love talking to uh to bring and it
didn't mean to rile up for both her depression, anxiety
and or heart attack medication at the same time.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
The Holy Triumvirate of watching the Denver Broncos. What did
what did I warn you? That? Did I warn? I
continue to warn people. No one wants to listen. It's
like the Curse of King Tott. Remember like the movie
The Mummy, Right.
Speaker 6 (32:32):
Yeah, she's turning into a pilot dust right now, just
a questions.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
I'm just like trying to you know, I mean, like
I try to get the pulse of what other people
feel about this, Like the mummy man, you're trying to
get the pulse.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
You're gonna end the pulse. I mean, you know, given
how many fourth quarters we've had, they might have ended
my pulse.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
I think nikers and pills to take care of my
heart at that point with the heart attack horses this year.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
But you know, I love it's fun. We're coming away
with the winds. We come back.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
I want to get into a little bit of how
it what our confidence level is with this Washington game,
and I talk a.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Little bit more about your doors, Sanders and and what
we feel about that. You guys listen to Broncos County
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