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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Pick Ferguson. Zach Seger's back there behind the glass five
six six nine zeros text line. Appreciate you guys holding
it down while I was a little under the weather
over the last couple of days. But I'm back, and man,
I tell you, it was like the worst time to
sit there and be six. So much exciting stuff happening
in Colorado football. Whether that so Bronco's continuing to win obviously,
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we've got the Raiders coming up this weekend. CSU making
official the hiring of Jim mora junior great football coach.
He's a good friend of our buddy, coach PAGs coach job,
got a good friend of his, got the seal of approval.
There's he's a good coach and he'll he'll be good
for CSU. And then the big news. I guess it
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was yesterday when Colorado made it an official. Word got
out there that a new offensive coordinator has been found
and it's Brendan Marion. And for those of you who
don't know Brendan Marion, I've known him for twenty years.
Good friend was a phenomenal receiver at Tulsa. If you
guys ever want to see somebody that was absolutely explosive.
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He led the NCAA in yards per catchback in two
thousand and seven thirty two yards per reception and it
wasn't like it was a handful of receptions. And May
had eleven touchdowns in that Tulsa offense. But that was
He played under Gus Melson there at Tulsa and he's
gone on to coach. He played coached under Sark there
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at Texas for a season. He coached a couple of
seasons at UNLV. This past season he was at there
at Sacramento State, and he runs what is called the.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Go Go offense.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
And it's not just because it's it's fast paced or
high tempo. It he is they aim to get eighty
plus plays in per game. That's part of the game plan.
But it is a fast paced and it's kind of
a downhill power run that uses these unbalanced formations. You
gotta see running backs in the sidecar formation. You go
to see a lot, you can see boxing one receivers,
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you know the diamond out there, and you'll see a
lot of rpo leverage, play action shot play type stuff
and power rundown on hill. And I am excited for
you all to be able to see this offense. Nick,
what was your first thought when you heard the news.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Well, the first thing, I was pleasantly surprised. And the
reason I say that is because watching the CU Buffs
over the past couple of years, I've been a little
disappointed and how they function from an offensive standpoint, and
what I mean by that is having more quick, up
tempo play call. When you sit down and you sit back,
you allow the defense to kind of get set and
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they can match up to any offensive formation that you
put out there. But also too, and I think you
do definitely agree with this, I got thinking tired of
those wide screens where the ball is on the right
hand and trying to watch Cayden Salter throw to the
left hash where it was so wide and the defense
can actually see on those kind of screenplays, and not
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getting the receivers one to block on the perimeter, and
just with so much width, it just takes a lot
away from your offense. And I had a chance to
talk to some individuals I know back in DC who
knows Marion from those the Howard Bison days.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
And there's a guy by the name He's.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
A godfather of Go Go Chuck Brown, and from what
I was told that when you go into this whole
idea of the go go offense, it's not just like
a fast paced, you know, Chip Kelly type of offense.
It goes back to referencing of go go music if
you are familiar with it, with the percussions and quick beats.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
And all of those types of things.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
So you try both of those together and you get
a fun evolution in the game of football. So I'm
really eager to see what this offense looks like.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
What Juju is able to do.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
But the first thing I thought so as well, when
you look at Sacramento State and some of the players
who are currently with coach Marion, how many of those
players could end up joining to see you bus.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Bank four of them, specially the running backs. Because this
requires a power run game. It starts the just offense starts.
It's a it's a triple option offense to start. Now,
that's got some funky formations to it. Like I said,
the sidecar for those of you who don't know that's
that's a that's a quarterback back in the gun with
let's say two running backs, both of them to his right.
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So it's a you know it's a gun two back,
a lot of gun two back type stuff. But there's like,
you know, you can have them split, you can have
him sidecard however, you've you've got that, and then it
starts with the triple option. Then you start doing uh,
it's a sixty to forty run split. You're gonna run
more than you're going to pass.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Actually, Uh.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
You go to see a lot of r PO and
play action type stuff. It builds off that, and then
eventually it builds two explosive shot plays down the field
with speedy receivers U and everybody gets a little taste.
Now you know, Brendan's got he's got experience with a
lot of different great offensive mines. Uh, and he's married
up a lot of different stuff, the triple option with
you know, Gus Malason's pace. You know Malson wrote the
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book on the two minute, no huddle, hurry up. You
mentioned Chuck already. There's there's a lot of different stuff
in here. I think it's it's just it's fun and
it's fascinating. And I tell you what, if you like
playing that college football video game, you are going to
be and you like playing with Colorado, use their playbook.
You're going to have the most interesting playbook in the
game because it is a It is a fun, wild offense.
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It is not like anything you've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Well, most most people when they think about offense, they
don't want an offense playing up tempo because I've suggested
the same thing as it pertains to bow Nicks and
the Denver Broncos to better help him out. I called it,
and I guess Ryan Evers didn't really I guess take
to it as much as I thought he would, But
that's okay.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
I called it the Ricky Bobby offense.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Right, you want to go fast, quick plays with a
certain amount of calls where guys can get in and out.
And now you could try to run as many plays
as you can. Now, someone argue that in the pro
game you can't really do that because you don't have
as many players. It kind of run guys down. But
also the part that people are or why they are
against it, because now is.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Like, okay, well, if you're not successful.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Running that high octane up temple offense, now you're putting
the defense back on the field. But I'm thinking, okay, well,
in college football, you have enough players and if you're
able to space and pace and then you're running with efficiency.
That is going to put a lot of defensive coordinators
at disadvantage because you see it more so been in
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college football opposed to the pros where you may get
a two man stat receiver kind of buns formation outside
the numbers right, which once again, all you're doing is
creating a favorable box to run the ball with your
running backs or design quarterback runs.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
It's designed to attack the box. I mean, that's really
what it is. Right off the bat. You're trying to
have multiple threats attack the box and then you force
you force the read and at that point, once you
do that, it's just it's just you know, it's just
keid reach, like you're just sitting there. Okay, I've read this.
I've read this. I know what to do and from there,
and as long as you'requarterback has some mobility to them
and can run the ball and has that distributor mindset,
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you know, I'm just gonna okay, I need to read it,
to let it go, I need to hold it, I
need to pitch it, I need whatever. As long as
they have that distributor mindset, they will be very successful.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
In this office. Well here's here's the other thing that.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
We hear this a lot, or at least I hear
this a lot about mobile quarterbacks. I heard it about
Russell Wilson. I've heard you just name a mobile quarterback.
You probably heard about the Shador and people have said
it about you know, Bo Nick's too as well. But
this is a byproduct of being a mobile quarterback. And
when I'm talking about the concept of that quarterback.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Holding on to the ball too damn long.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
And ideas that you do realize he is mobile, so
he's trying to extend the pocket so wait for someone
to break open and deliver the past.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
That's why he's holding onto the.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Ball, right, Paul would be a good quarterback for this offense.
Got a little bit of mobility to get that distributor
get it out quick, you know kind of mindset. You know,
this isn't like the wake forest, you know, the running
mesh point. This isn't like that. You want to you
want to make quick decisions. But it's all like bang
bang reads it's all you know. I mean, you're you're
You've got, like I said, you have a quarterback and
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two backs back there in the shotgun. However, you got
tom utilize and you're starting the base corp of your
offense is triple option. And then from there once you
start bringing you know, sucking those safeties down into the box.
Now I've got one on ones on the outside. Now
I've got one on one, or I've got you know,
the screenplayer, I've got a you know, I've got a
wheel built off. There's all kinds of stuff that you
do with this. I think this offense is gonna be
a lot of fun for a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I really do, well, you know what, just thinking about it,
And because you don't see too many people who run
that sidecar office with two running backs, because one of
your backs can actually get out to the flat and
be a pass catching guy and the other guy could
actually be someone to seal the age. And the first
thing I think about when I envisioned that type of
offensive scheme, it's almost like playing inside the red zone
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or you are third and short and you're running a
sprint out.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
But it's kind of built in already.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
And if if you wanted to run a design quarterback run,
you got to lead brocas right. I'm not saying that
you can do it all the time. But that's another
creative evolutions. It often one of the running backs.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Minimum needs to be a power guy that can get downhill,
and then you want a guy with some speed that
you can either do it. You can do orbit motions,
return motions. You can you know, you can run a
sprint out. You can have the sidecar and have the
power back act almost as a de facto fullback, either
faking the handoff to him inside or using him like
you just point out, as a lead blocker on a
speed option where you've got to what you know, he's
got the block and you got one man to read
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and that's it.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
I just thought about something too, because if you run
the play, and most Office of coordinators do a great
job of setting up plays before they actually run them.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
But it's a if you are.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Running that sidecar and you're running either design quarterback run,
and you handing off to the running back. Now what
happens when that back those two backs go to that
same motion. You're thinking that lead back is going to block,
but he runs the rail route and you throw it
to him.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
That's so say.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
You can you can build in when you build in
our route, and it's an option with it.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
With it, you know you could pitch and still throw
throw vertically. If you get this somebody sucking up on it.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
It sounds just like your Madden game.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
And so I've heard you talk about because now you
suck them up with the running plays almost like your
Army or Air Force in the CITs and.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
It's running an option, a triple kind of That's what
the core of this offense is. The core of this
I mean, you'll get plenty of explosive pass plays, and
it's not like Army where you only throw the ball
ten times a game. You'll throw a lot. But it
is a sixty to forty run offense built off the
triple option and some pacing to go with that to start,
and I am I'm excited, Zach. I don't know if
you've had a chance to look at any of this
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or see any this so far. What was your first
up when when Brendan Mary was hired at Colorado.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I'm thrilled.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
I think they need to do something creative they I
haven't loved the direction of this offense under Prime. Obviously
he's the CEO of the organization and he's not the
one calling plays. But I thought the Pat Shermer thing
was really on the opposite end of the spectrum, Like
you're talking about something so archaic, something so not built
for the modern college game versus this attack that I
think very clearly is and I just you know, you
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were pointing out the many conflicts it puts the defense in.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I think one more i'd point out is.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
It really simplifies whatever the defense can do. We've talked
about or it's kind of been a big theme in
the NFL this season, but all these offenses getting heavy
to try and get defenses in base because they know
the play calls out of those base defenses are just
going to be a little more simplistic. The commanders, right,
they run a crazy high rate of up tempo. They
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do that in part because in no huddle situations, the
defense is going to.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Have a more limited play calling menu to go to.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
This go go offense is going to force teams to
play you out of a base defense and is going
to force you to operate out of a no huddle
defense very very frequently.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
So I think, you know.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Not only is it really exciting in terms of the
x's and o's, but it's also putting your opponent at
a pretty extreme disabilitate.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Yeah, and that's something that the cior team actually needs.
And the game is there's an evolution to everything that
we watch in the game, and we've seen guys come
into both the collegiate game and the pro game with
very innovative styles, but we've also seen guys who are
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old school coaches that are really archaic.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
And we're watching the game past and by, and when we.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Look at Pat Sherman, not to throw him under the bus,
but just to be just be true to power that the.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Scheme just seemed a little archaic and dated.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Now he probably would suggests where he didn't really have
all the players that he needed to have, and listen,
I'm here for that conversation as well. But there's certain
things that you have to do as a play caller
to make sure you're maximizing the strength of each individual player.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Even if you.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Don't have those guys who are like those blue chip players,
you have to try to maximize it. And we didn't
really see it, and you could tell me from wrong,
either of you guys. On the text line, you saw
somewhat of elite play calling from Pat Shermer over the
time as OC for the bus.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
That's all elite play calling from past Shermer.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
I'm listen. I'm not trying to throw anyone on the bus.
I'm here for the conversation. That's why I'm asking.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Oh yeah, I mean I think he held that offense back.
I think he tried to bring his version of the
West Coast and it doesn't work a lot of the
ways that he wanted to do the things that he
wanted to do with the wider hashes in college football.
I just think Shermer's offense was stated, and I think
it was too static, and I think it relied on
quarterbacks making something out of nothing when the play went bust,
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and we saw that with Shadora and Travis Hunter quite
a bit. You know, play and pitch and catch. I
just this offense is it. First of all, it's gonna
be fun, but there is a there's a very specific
flow to it, like you know, this is a this
is be, this is c this is do you know what?
There aren't play breakdowns because there's nothing to like, you
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just know what the next thing in the sequence is.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
So how does this fast paced type of new low
for the c Buffs changes. Well, you know, some of
the guys that are currently on the roster, but more importantly,
the guys that you could recruit and bring in either
from high school or the transfer proto. And I'm asking
you because you say, you know, you know Marion for
a lot of v is. So how should that change
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the personnel that they're looking to bring in.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Well, you're gonna need bigger back, You're gonna need some
better running backs. Like this thing, it's built off a
distributor quarterback. Like the ideal quarterback for this would be
remember college Alex Smith. That is the ideal quarterback for
this offense. Right, He's got wheels, he can run, but
he's a distributors. He knows how to guard, knows how
to point guard the offense.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Then't have to you don't have to have the strongest
arm in the world, just enough to be able to
get the ball down the field when when guys get open.
But you know, Alex Smith, O Nick, those kind of
guys are kind of the perfect I don't know if
huge is really super built to run this thing, but
we'll see. But we'll see.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Okay, Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
As far as receivers go, you need guys that are
willing to that are willing blockers on the outside because
they're gonna be asked to block a lot.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
See that's where I have a problem with that term.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Where there's a willing blocker, willing tackler, that means you
do it because well, I.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Have to know he really wants to. You're not doing
the guys.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
You need dudes that are a little block on the outside.
Now they gotta have a little speed to them, but
they got to be able to block on the outside
because they're gonna be blocking a lot.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
There's also so for me from my days playing NFL,
I need some guys with that Steve Smith senior type
of attitude.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Hines wards. But you know what I mean, I'm throwing
up in skill set, you know what I mean? Yes,
you know what I mean. The mentality, How about that mentality.
We'll go with that.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yes, yes, you.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Need some of that. You need some of that, uh
you know that kind of You need one guy that
that's you know, it's a burner. But the rest of
them have got to be able to have got to
be able to block on the outside because you're going
to need to do that and your your offensive line
just got to be able to get push. You know,
your guards need to be able to move a little
bit and the rest of your line needs to be
able to get pushed. In the run game, it's less
about going backwards and more about going forwards.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Well, I'm glad you brought that up.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
And really quickly we've seen the transition of the offensive
line as far as body types. Sayce Coach Prime first
arrived and he wanted bigger guys. He didn't get it
in his first couple of his first two years. But
they have bigger body guys that look like SEC guys.
But the problem with that, Ben is that big body
guys tall and with you can get a lot of wit,
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but foot quickness. They lacked a little that foot frequency
that you want at that position.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
So this is going so force guys to put up
a shut up. Yeah for sure. Yeah, distributed quarterback, one
power back, one speedback, you know, and you'll need depth
there obviously, but the starting unit is going to have,
you know, one one guy that's probably in that two
twenty two, twenty five range. If you can get them
bigger than that, that's nice, but you know somebody of
that range, and then you have one guy that's just
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a little you know, it's it's a little water strider,
you know, legit, same thing you're talking about that sounds like.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I mean, you know, but it's a little there's little
spiders that run across the water like that. You know,
to be able to maximize maximize the saying someone and hey, guys,
path from monument. I'm an old guy at sixty six
and used to run the wishbone. This sounds like options
off wishbone with motion in the backfield and throwing the ball,
not just running the ball. Well, it's that the wishbone.
This is closer to h it's closer to a single wing,
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but I I don't know. It's it's a lot of
gun and pistol and it's not really wishbone because you're
going to have guys offset parallel to you rather than
you know, behind you. But the precepts are sort of
the same. I would say the best best way to
look at the core of what this is look at
what army has done last couple of years. Uh, and
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that's the core. And then you expand on that by
looking at kind of the the Malson and Sarcasian passing
trees and then tack that kind of in there. You
just get some funky looking formations out of this thing, though,
Like it really is some some bizarre looking stuff and
we'll get into a little bit more of that as well,
some Broncos stuff. We got to hit a break you guys,
listen to Broncos Country Night here o kaway five six
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six nine zero is the text line appreciate you guys,
uh texting you And like I said with Pat from Monument, yeah,
it's not it's not really a wishbone. This thing is
just a lot of unbalanced, what most people would think
very odd looks. There's one where you have it's kind
of a pistol set with with two receivers. You line
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up to the to the short side of the field.
You got a stack of receivers on the on the
wide hash and then what's gonna have as a quarterback
back in the pistol with two running backs. One will
be right there to his left and the other will
kind of like dot the I right behind him, and
so it create it's I mean, it's just stuff that
creates crazy angles. When you look at some of this stuff,
and at the worst, at the absolute worst, this will
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be fun. I will say that.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Yeah, we were just talking about that during the break
about you know the thing with college football opposed to
the NFL. The NFL seems as though it's really structured, right,
and obviously, you know, the no Fun league kind of
comes in big time, but that's only with certain coaches.
You have some creative, innovative coaches in a game. Now,
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College Shanahan Sean mcvaya two guys that come to mind instantly.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
And for me, it's like, you want to see more
fun and creativity from an offensive.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Standpoint because all the rules favor the offense in the
first place, right, and that's the thing that puts more
butts in a seat like for me, and maybe you don't,
I'm just gonna.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Put it out there. I don't think you enjoy games
like this.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
I enjoy games like when the Broncos played the Raiders
and the scovers ten seven.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
I like, ye will I like it when defense futrid
offense right right.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
So I love those types of games where we're seeing
great offensive play. Even in the game with the Broncos
play against the Commanders right there, there were there were
pivotal moments where the offense got you know, saw leaky coverage,
and they were able to make some great plays, but
there were moments where the defense actually stood up. I
actually like that, and and I guess I'm part of
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a small audience, but I would love to see like
that Air Corioel type of you know, air display come
back to the NFL in that way.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Yeah, I mean I would, I think, uh yeah, I
would too. I'm just I'm excited because this is one
of these offenses that got Colorado that you know, when
you think about Sean Payton, supposedly everything, every play that
he has has a solution to everything at it, right, Like,
that's that's the whole mark. It's like, theoretically, there's solution
for no matter what's out there.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
There's a solution, right well, a solution for what the
defense may do to counter whatever the defense is doing
and putting up there, Like there's there's reads and every
read you know, Dad, you go down to the corection,
there's there's a solution there somewhere.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
That's that's the the hallmark of the Sean Payton theoretically offense.
And this this is the same thing, like this is
designed to give you. I mean, it's a lot more
running than Colorado's used to out of odd formations. It's
a lot more option running than you used to. But
there's a solution to everything here, and that's the kind
of offense that I like. There's there is a solution
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to everything, and then the defense just has to keep
you know, it has to try to keep up, and
it creates a chess match, a real chess match, and
I just love that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Okay, So looking at these numbers, and I might be
a little off here, you say, Okay, the boves own
average scored about twenty one points and average are offensively
three hundred and twenty eight yards per game, and that
kind of put them in the you know, loy echelon
of power five teams maybe one on two ranking offensively.
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So with this new potential go go offense, what do
you think those numbers kind of escalate too? Well?
Speaker 1 (22:14):
UNLV, they were averaging thirty five points a game. Now
again they were they were up against some ostensibly easier defenses.
Then CEU will be up up against at the unit.
In twenty twenty four, his last year UNLV, they averaged
they were fifteenth in the country at thirty five point
four points per game and so you know, it's there's
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you don't And the quarterback that they had it was
not the world's greatest thrower. He was barely a sixty
percent passer. It was Hosma Leak Williams. I don't know
if you guys remember him or not, but he threw
for nineteen hundred yards and nineteen touchdowns. But a lot
of what they did came on the ground. They had
two running backs that had over one hundred and sixty carries.
Well Williams was one of them. As the quarterback at
over one hundred and sixt carries. Jadan Thomas had one
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hundred and sixty four carre age, and they had another
running back with ninety you know those sixty. You know,
a lot of what they do it's it's it centers
on like I said, this this triple option thing, you're
going to see deep shot plays, You're going to see
a lot of passing out of it. This is not again,
this is not Army in the sense that they don't
throw the ball just at its core. It's like it's
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like watching Army with what they do now, except that
at its you know, at its core, except that they
expand on that with a West Coast passing game, passing
tree on top of it.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
When I hear you speak about it, the first thing
that comes to mind. I go back to my my youth,
of my childhood growing up in Miami and watching former
Oklahoma Sooner quarterback to Miil Holloway, right, something like that.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Whereas it's it's up pays. It's similar to what.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
You know, see you ran with Charles Johnson before, but
see you kind of maybe go back a little homage
to that, but maybe not exactly, but more of a
faster type of offense that we've seen from.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
The CU Buffs in years.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Pass.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yeah, it will definitely be faster than it was last year.
I mean it'll be you remember how Baylor when Art
Briles was there, Yeah, I would say that the passing
when RG three was there. Yeah that Like I would
say that, you know, the mid twenty tens under Art Briles,
Like in terms of up tempo and the passing and
what you'll see out of it, I would say if
you combined Army's triple option with Art Briles pass, you
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know that in the pass game that Art and Kenel
Briles used to have, it would like it's kind of
like that those two marrying up and having it in
a lot of ways, kind of having sort of a
kid I it's not it's not exactly the run and shoot,
you know, it's it's like a it's like a triple
option and shoot, let's all hurry up. And if they
if they don't get to eighty eighty five plays in
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a game, they feel like they failed in terms of
controlling the pace.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Let's see. Okay, so normal offense, by the way.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Gets about sixteen.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Yes, But now now I'm thinking, okay, well, the the
work that's going to be needed to be put in
during the off season to get everyone up to speed
because we know watching even watching the Broncos games, well,
you know the play call?
Speaker 2 (25:14):
How long is the play call?
Speaker 3 (25:16):
I mean, with the quarterback have a wristband, can you
are you able to get that many calls in right away?
Are we going play one, play two? Are we doing that?
Or we're trying to get.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
These long, extensive play calls out.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
And I'm thinking that that verbiates along would make it
really difficult for the quarterback to get the information disseminated
to the players and they go out there and execute consistently.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Yeah, I think a lot of it's like it's it's
just getting to the line quickly, like sugar huddle and
get to the line, and you've got the call, you
got the signs on the sideline while doing that. We
got some of that, we got you.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Know, there's oh with Barbie Doll pictures.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah, there's some of that kind of you know you've
got because they weren't I mean, UNLV wasn't the fastest
pace in terms of seconds per play, but they would
get up there quick like they wouldn't let you say,
would gas you and not let you sub out, you know,
and it didn't give you plenty of time because I mean,
and that's a part of it. So I think that again,
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I think these are gonna be some things that maybe
see U fans aren't used to or aren't used to seeing.
But like, I'm kind of hoping that people will will
like it because I think it's something that's that's vastly
different and can be successful if you give it time.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
I wonder how quickly would this scheme actually take hole
where you can actually see.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Execution right away?
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Well, because we know there's always a learning curve, right,
there's always a learning curve, and Unlike the pro game,
there are no preseason game where you can work out
the kings, right, I mean, you got to get the
weak one.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
That's why you scheduled, you know, week zero or whatever.
It's why you usually scheduled. You know, it's also Welding School,
and you know it's it's al Arkansas School for the
Deaf and Blind, the deaf Leopards. That people did not
remember that. Nobody believe me that. Yeah, but that's why yours.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
When I first heard it, I thought you were doing
your Benjamin Albright thing.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
But that is a real school the deaf leopards. No,
but that's why you scheduled those kind of things early on,
the little Sisters of the Poor type schools is, you know,
is just to try to try to get that stuff
to where you need it to be and and and
go from there and again. I I'm just really excited
about this. I don't mean a gush for multiple segments
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like this. We'll get off that and get out of
the Broncos and some of this other stuff, but I am.
I'm excited for creative football here in Colorado. I love
the fact that this is going to be coming here.
I love the fact that. You know, I didn't really
talk about it much, but Jim Mora u gonna be
up there at c SU. I think that's going to
be huge for c s U. H with what he
did with with Yukon. I just really think that there's
good college football coming coming here to Colorado.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
I like the fact that anytime you can add a
coach that brings new creative ideas, because what it does
is it challenges every coach in the market, whether it's
a pro team or the collegiate team. So the idea
of Marion coming here and with this whole bringing up
tempo for the CU Buffs, it could have a profound
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effect on you know what air Force is running with
Troy cal Home, where Jim Moore is running with the
CSU Rams, and they could have an impact if effective
and efficient and it's scoring a lot of points, could
have an effect on what happens with Sean Paygne and
bow Nicks. I still think that that's the strong possibility
in my mind.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Maybe you steal a few of these, you know, player
two here and you get something well.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
But we don't want to say steal to borrow.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
You know, he stole a hurry up no huddle from
Gusts and he stole the flash three from Bob Stitt
here at Colorho School of Mind, by the way, and
this offense was stolen butt.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Just think about this, like like, borrow sounds a.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Lot better like Nick borrowed you know, Ben's car opposed.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
To tomtle My car.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
It sounds completely different. Does yeah, it does. We want
to borrow. We don't want to steal.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Okay, right, because borrow means that you had it, I
took it, and I enhanced it.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
It still means that you're not getting the back. You
gotta enhance it some way. Speaking of borrow, we're on borrow.
Tom the Practice squadlogy more more shown flashes before. I
don't know what kind of impact they'll have on the
team this year or long term. Kind of reminds me
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in terms of what he brings the table as a
receiver of what Trey Kwan Smith was for Sean Payton.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Back in New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I don't know, you know, a lot of people excited
about that. But then again, Sean Payton has never foul
the Practice Squad edition receiver. He doesn't want to stash
and forget exists. You know, just look at Perry and
you know, and all these guys before that that have
come through before. So I don't even know if this
is like, this is a thing that's going to make
any impact at all. What do you think about the
Broncos adding a lot of more?
Speaker 3 (30:15):
I think it will make an impact from this perspective,
having a veteran wide receiver who has a good or
excellent route running it can actually pressure defense at this
particular point and has the ability to make everyone a
lot better because dare I say, you have a fresh
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pair of legs coming in a guy with a different perspective.
He doesn't know a lot of people on the team
and obviously he's trying to continue his NFL career. So
the idea is reading the room. Now, some people would
probably want him to kind of relax and pause, but
this is the opportunity for him to not pause, but
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he hit the go button and really make the corners
and the safeties and press these linebackers and give them
a taste of what they're going to see on game.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Day, but give it to him in practice.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
That's where he comes in and that's where his value
and by doing that, he shows the coaches Okay, well
he's ready to go, and hopefully they give him a
couple of plays in practice, maybe with you know, second
team and third team, and he starts to show, okay,
well he's starting to learn the offense.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Because if you're able to.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Get Elijah Moore in the mix, it gives you another
added weapon.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
It also adds depth to the team.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
But you know, earlier in the week, Rod Smith, you know,
we asked him his question, what does this mean for
the guys in the receiver room if he were in
that room now, he said, it wouldn't mean anything to him.
And I understand Rod Smith's kind of mindset. But for
any other guy in the room, you gotta think, well,
that's two wide receivers that they brought in the building,
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the Jordan Humphrey Elijah more So you may not think
that someone's sending a message.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Those are two different kinds of receivers too. I mean, right, well,
George's a big, big body blocker. Moore's a you know,
five nine, one seventy eight slot guy who you know,
puts pressure on what Troy Franklin and Marvin Mims and you.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Know what that was the first thing I thought.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
It was like well Marvin Mims, but it is just
like well, has Marvin Mims received a bad shake in
the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Offense last year? He he got going after the bye
a week. I was kind of hoping that would start
this past week. Didn't really see a lot of that.
We'll ask Patrick Yoti his thoughts on that we come
back Broncos Country to night Kawai
Pick Ferguson. Zach Seger's back there behind the glass five
six six nine zeros text line. Appreciate you guys holding
it down while I was a little under the weather
over the last couple of days. But I'm back, and man,
I tell you, it was like the worst time to
sit there and be six. So much exciting stuff happening
in Colorado football. Whether that so Bronco's continuing to win obviously,
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we've got the Raiders coming up this weekend. CSU making
official the hiring of Jim mora junior great football coach.
He's a good friend of our buddy, coach PAGs coach job,
got a good friend of his, got the seal of approval.
There's he's a good coach and he'll he'll be good
for CSU. And then the big news. I guess it
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was yesterday when Colorado made it an official. Word got
out there that a new offensive coordinator has been found
and it's Brendan Marion. And for those of you who
don't know Brendan Marion, I've known him for twenty years.
Good friend was a phenomenal receiver at Tulsa. If you
guys ever want to see somebody that was absolutely explosive.
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He led the NCAA in yards per catchback in two
thousand and seven thirty two yards per reception and it
wasn't like it was a handful of receptions. And May
had eleven touchdowns in that Tulsa offense. But that was
He played under Gus Melson there at Tulsa and he's
gone on to coach. He played coached under Sark there
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at Texas for a season. He coached a couple of
seasons at UNLV. This past season he was at there
at Sacramento State, and he runs what is called the.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Go Go offense.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
And it's not just because it's it's fast paced or
high tempo. It he is they aim to get eighty
plus plays in per game. That's part of the game plan.
But it is a fast paced and it's kind of
a downhill power run that uses these unbalanced formations. You
gotta see running backs in the sidecar formation. You go
to see a lot, you can see boxing one receivers,
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you know the diamond out there, and you'll see a
lot of rpo leverage, play action shot play type stuff
and power rundown on hill. And I am excited for
you all to be able to see this offense. Nick,
what was your first thought when you heard the news.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Well, the first thing, I was pleasantly surprised. And the
reason I say that is because watching the CU Buffs
over the past couple of years, I've been a little
disappointed and how they function from an offensive standpoint, and
what I mean by that is having more quick, up
tempo play call. When you sit down and you sit back,
you allow the defense to kind of get set and
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they can match up to any offensive formation that you
put out there. But also too, and I think you
do definitely agree with this, I got thinking tired of
those wide screens where the ball is on the right
hand and trying to watch Cayden Salter throw to the
left hash where it was so wide and the defense
can actually see on those kind of screenplays, and not
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getting the receivers one to block on the perimeter, and
just with so much width, it just takes a lot
away from your offense. And I had a chance to
talk to some individuals I know back in DC who
knows Marion from those the Howard Bison days.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
And there's a guy by the name He's.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
A godfather of Go Go Chuck Brown, and from what
I was told that when you go into this whole
idea of the go go offense, it's not just like
a fast paced, you know, Chip Kelly type of offense.
It goes back to referencing of go go music if
you are familiar with it, with the percussions and quick beats.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
And all of those types of things.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
So you try both of those together and you get
a fun evolution in the game of football. So I'm
really eager to see what this offense looks like.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
What Juju is able to do.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
But the first thing I thought so as well, when
you look at Sacramento State and some of the players
who are currently with coach Marion, how many of those
players could end up joining to see you bus.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Bank four of them, specially the running backs. Because this
requires a power run game. It starts the just offense starts.
It's a it's a triple option offense to start. Now,
that's got some funky formations to it. Like I said,
the sidecar for those of you who don't know that's
that's a that's a quarterback back in the gun with
let's say two running backs, both of them to his right.
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So it's a you know it's a gun two back,
a lot of gun two back type stuff. But there's like,
you know, you can have them split, you can have
him sidecard however, you've you've got that, and then it
starts with the triple option. Then you start doing uh,
it's a sixty to forty run split. You're gonna run
more than you're going to pass.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Actually, Uh.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
You go to see a lot of r PO and
play action type stuff. It builds off that, and then
eventually it builds two explosive shot plays down the field
with speedy receivers U and everybody gets a little taste.
Now you know, Brendan's got he's got experience with a
lot of different great offensive mines. Uh, and he's married
up a lot of different stuff, the triple option with
you know, Gus Malason's pace. You know Malson wrote the
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book on the two minute, no huddle, hurry up. You
mentioned Chuck already. There's there's a lot of different stuff
in here. I think it's it's just it's fun and
it's fascinating. And I tell you what, if you like
playing that college football video game, you are going to
be and you like playing with Colorado, use their playbook.
You're going to have the most interesting playbook in the
game because it is a It is a fun, wild offense.
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It is not like anything you've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Well, most most people when they think about offense, they
don't want an offense playing up tempo because I've suggested
the same thing as it pertains to bow Nicks and
the Denver Broncos to better help him out. I called it,
and I guess Ryan Evers didn't really I guess take
to it as much as I thought he would, But
that's okay.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
I called it the Ricky Bobby offense.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Right, you want to go fast, quick plays with a
certain amount of calls where guys can get in and out.
And now you could try to run as many plays
as you can. Now, someone argue that in the pro
game you can't really do that because you don't have
as many players. It kind of run guys down. But
also the part that people are or why they are
against it, because now is.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Like, okay, well, if you're not successful.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Running that high octane up temple offense, now you're putting
the defense back on the field. But I'm thinking, okay, well,
in college football, you have enough players and if you're
able to space and pace and then you're running with efficiency.
That is going to put a lot of defensive coordinators
at disadvantage because you see it more so been in
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college football opposed to the pros where you may get
a two man stat receiver kind of buns formation outside
the numbers right, which once again, all you're doing is
creating a favorable box to run the ball with your
running backs or design quarterback runs.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
It's designed to attack the box. I mean, that's really
what it is. Right off the bat. You're trying to
have multiple threats attack the box and then you force
you force the read and at that point, once you
do that, it's just it's just you know, it's just
keid reach, like you're just sitting there. Okay, I've read this.
I've read this. I know what to do and from there,
and as long as you'requarterback has some mobility to them
and can run the ball and has that distributor mindset,
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you know, I'm just gonna okay, I need to read it,
to let it go, I need to hold it, I
need to pitch it, I need whatever. As long as
they have that distributor mindset, they will be very successful.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
In this office. Well here's here's the other thing that.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
We hear this a lot, or at least I hear
this a lot about mobile quarterbacks. I heard it about
Russell Wilson. I've heard you just name a mobile quarterback.
You probably heard about the Shador and people have said
it about you know, Bo Nick's too as well. But
this is a byproduct of being a mobile quarterback. And
when I'm talking about the concept of that quarterback.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Holding on to the ball too damn long.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
And ideas that you do realize he is mobile, so
he's trying to extend the pocket so wait for someone
to break open and deliver the past.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
That's why he's holding onto the.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Ball, right, Paul would be a good quarterback for this offense.
Got a little bit of mobility to get that distributor
get it out quick, you know kind of mindset. You know,
this isn't like the wake forest, you know, the running
mesh point. This isn't like that. You want to you
want to make quick decisions. But it's all like bang
bang reads it's all you know. I mean, you're you're
You've got, like I said, you have a quarterback and
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two backs back there in the shotgun. However, you got
tom utilize and you're starting the base corp of your
offense is triple option. And then from there once you
start bringing you know, sucking those safeties down into the box.
Now I've got one on ones on the outside. Now
I've got one on one, or I've got you know,
the screenplayer, I've got a you know, I've got a
wheel built off. There's all kinds of stuff that you
do with this. I think this offense is gonna be
a lot of fun for a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I really do, well, you know what, just thinking about it,
And because you don't see too many people who run
that sidecar office with two running backs, because one of
your backs can actually get out to the flat and
be a pass catching guy and the other guy could
actually be someone to seal the age. And the first
thing I think about when I envisioned that type of
offensive scheme, it's almost like playing inside the red zone
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or you are third and short and you're running a
sprint out.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
But it's kind of built in already.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
And if if you wanted to run a design quarterback run,
you got to lead brocas right. I'm not saying that
you can do it all the time. But that's another
creative evolutions. It often one of the running backs.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Minimum needs to be a power guy that can get downhill,
and then you want a guy with some speed that
you can either do it. You can do orbit motions,
return motions. You can you know, you can run a
sprint out. You can have the sidecar and have the
power back act almost as a de facto fullback, either
faking the handoff to him inside or using him like
you just point out, as a lead blocker on a
speed option where you've got to what you know, he's
got the block and you got one man to read
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and that's it.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
I just thought about something too, because if you run
the play, and most Office of coordinators do a great
job of setting up plays before they actually run them.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
But it's a if you are.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Running that sidecar and you're running either design quarterback run,
and you handing off to the running back. Now what
happens when that back those two backs go to that
same motion. You're thinking that lead back is going to block,
but he runs the rail route and you throw it
to him.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
That's so say.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
You can you can build in when you build in
our route, and it's an option with it.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
With it, you know you could pitch and still throw
throw vertically. If you get this somebody sucking up on it.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
It sounds just like your Madden game.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
And so I've heard you talk about because now you
suck them up with the running plays almost like your
Army or Air Force in the CITs and.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
It's running an option, a triple kind of That's what
the core of this offense is. The core of this
I mean, you'll get plenty of explosive pass plays, and
it's not like Army where you only throw the ball
ten times a game. You'll throw a lot. But it
is a sixty to forty run offense built off the
triple option and some pacing to go with that to start,
and I am I'm excited, Zach. I don't know if
you've had a chance to look at any of this
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or see any this so far. What was your first
up when when Brendan Mary was hired at Colorado.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I'm thrilled.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
I think they need to do something creative they I
haven't loved the direction of this offense under Prime. Obviously
he's the CEO of the organization and he's not the
one calling plays. But I thought the Pat Shermer thing
was really on the opposite end of the spectrum, Like
you're talking about something so archaic, something so not built
for the modern college game versus this attack that I
think very clearly is and I just you know, you
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were pointing out the many conflicts it puts the defense in.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I think one more i'd point out is.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
It really simplifies whatever the defense can do. We've talked
about or it's kind of been a big theme in
the NFL this season, but all these offenses getting heavy
to try and get defenses in base because they know
the play calls out of those base defenses are just
going to be a little more simplistic. The commanders, right,
they run a crazy high rate of up tempo. They
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do that in part because in no huddle situations, the
defense is going to.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Have a more limited play calling menu to go to.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
This go go offense is going to force teams to
play you out of a base defense and is going
to force you to operate out of a no huddle
defense very very frequently.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
So I think, you know.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Not only is it really exciting in terms of the
x's and o's, but it's also putting your opponent at
a pretty extreme disabilitate.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Yeah, and that's something that the cior team actually needs.
And the game is there's an evolution to everything that
we watch in the game, and we've seen guys come
into both the collegiate game and the pro game with
very innovative styles, but we've also seen guys who are
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old school coaches that are really archaic.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
And we're watching the game past and by, and when we.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Look at Pat Sherman, not to throw him under the bus,
but just to be just be true to power that the.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Scheme just seemed a little archaic and dated.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Now he probably would suggests where he didn't really have
all the players that he needed to have, and listen,
I'm here for that conversation as well. But there's certain
things that you have to do as a play caller
to make sure you're maximizing the strength of each individual player.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Even if you.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Don't have those guys who are like those blue chip players,
you have to try to maximize it. And we didn't
really see it, and you could tell me from wrong,
either of you guys. On the text line, you saw
somewhat of elite play calling from Pat Shermer over the
time as OC for the bus.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
That's all elite play calling from past Shermer.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
I'm listen. I'm not trying to throw anyone on the bus.
I'm here for the conversation. That's why I'm asking.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Oh yeah, I mean I think he held that offense back.
I think he tried to bring his version of the
West Coast and it doesn't work a lot of the
ways that he wanted to do the things that he
wanted to do with the wider hashes in college football.
I just think Shermer's offense was stated, and I think
it was too static, and I think it relied on
quarterbacks making something out of nothing when the play went bust,
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and we saw that with Shadora and Travis Hunter quite
a bit. You know, play and pitch and catch. I
just this offense is it. First of all, it's gonna
be fun, but there is a there's a very specific
flow to it, like you know, this is a this
is be, this is c this is do you know what?
There aren't play breakdowns because there's nothing to like, you
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just know what the next thing in the sequence is.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
So how does this fast paced type of new low
for the c Buffs changes. Well, you know, some of
the guys that are currently on the roster, but more importantly,
the guys that you could recruit and bring in either
from high school or the transfer proto. And I'm asking
you because you say, you know, you know Marion for
a lot of v is. So how should that change
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the personnel that they're looking to bring in.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Well, you're gonna need bigger back, You're gonna need some
better running backs. Like this thing, it's built off a
distributor quarterback. Like the ideal quarterback for this would be
remember college Alex Smith. That is the ideal quarterback for
this offense. Right, He's got wheels, he can run, but
he's a distributors. He knows how to guard, knows how
to point guard the offense.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Then't have to you don't have to have the strongest
arm in the world, just enough to be able to
get the ball down the field when when guys get open.
But you know, Alex Smith, O Nick, those kind of
guys are kind of the perfect I don't know if
huge is really super built to run this thing, but
we'll see. But we'll see.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Okay, Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
As far as receivers go, you need guys that are
willing to that are willing blockers on the outside because
they're gonna be asked to block a lot.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
See that's where I have a problem with that term.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Where there's a willing blocker, willing tackler, that means you
do it because well, I.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Have to know he really wants to. You're not doing
the guys.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
You need dudes that are a little block on the outside.
Now they gotta have a little speed to them, but
they got to be able to block on the outside
because they're gonna be blocking a lot.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
There's also so for me from my days playing NFL,
I need some guys with that Steve Smith senior type
of attitude.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Hines wards. But you know what I mean, I'm throwing
up in skill set, you know what I mean? Yes,
you know what I mean. The mentality, How about that mentality.
We'll go with that.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yes, yes, you.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Need some of that. You need some of that, uh
you know that kind of You need one guy that
that's you know, it's a burner. But the rest of
them have got to be able to have got to
be able to block on the outside because you're going
to need to do that and your your offensive line
just got to be able to get push. You know,
your guards need to be able to move a little
bit and the rest of your line needs to be
able to get pushed. In the run game, it's less
about going backwards and more about going forwards.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Well, I'm glad you brought that up.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
And really quickly we've seen the transition of the offensive
line as far as body types. Sayce Coach Prime first
arrived and he wanted bigger guys. He didn't get it
in his first couple of his first two years. But
they have bigger body guys that look like SEC guys.
But the problem with that, Ben is that big body
guys tall and with you can get a lot of wit,
(16:34):
but foot quickness. They lacked a little that foot frequency
that you want at that position.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
So this is going so force guys to put up
a shut up. Yeah for sure. Yeah, distributed quarterback, one
power back, one speedback, you know, and you'll need depth
there obviously, but the starting unit is going to have,
you know, one one guy that's probably in that two
twenty two, twenty five range. If you can get them
bigger than that, that's nice, but you know somebody of
that range, and then you have one guy that's just
(17:00):
a little you know, it's it's a little water strider,
you know, legit, same thing you're talking about that sounds like.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I mean, you know, but it's a little there's little
spiders that run across the water like that. You know,
to be able to maximize maximize the saying someone and hey, guys,
path from monument. I'm an old guy at sixty six
and used to run the wishbone. This sounds like options
off wishbone with motion in the backfield and throwing the ball,
not just running the ball. Well, it's that the wishbone.
This is closer to h it's closer to a single wing,
(17:35):
but I I don't know. It's it's a lot of
gun and pistol and it's not really wishbone because you're
going to have guys offset parallel to you rather than
you know, behind you. But the precepts are sort of
the same. I would say the best best way to
look at the core of what this is look at
what army has done last couple of years. Uh, and
(17:56):
that's the core. And then you expand on that by
looking at kind of the the Malson and Sarcasian passing
trees and then tack that kind of in there. You
just get some funky looking formations out of this thing, though,
Like it really is some some bizarre looking stuff and
we'll get into a little bit more of that as well,
some Broncos stuff. We got to hit a break you guys,
listen to Broncos Country Night here o kaway five six
(18:22):
six nine zero is the text line appreciate you guys,
uh texting you And like I said with Pat from Monument, yeah,
it's not it's not really a wishbone. This thing is
just a lot of unbalanced, what most people would think
very odd looks. There's one where you have it's kind
of a pistol set with with two receivers. You line
(18:44):
up to the to the short side of the field.
You got a stack of receivers on the on the
wide hash and then what's gonna have as a quarterback
back in the pistol with two running backs. One will
be right there to his left and the other will
kind of like dot the I right behind him, and
so it create it's I mean, it's just stuff that
creates crazy angles. When you look at some of this stuff,
and at the worst, at the absolute worst, this will
(19:06):
be fun. I will say that.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Yeah, we were just talking about that during the break
about you know the thing with college football opposed to
the NFL. The NFL seems as though it's really structured, right,
and obviously, you know, the no Fun league kind of
comes in big time, but that's only with certain coaches.
You have some creative, innovative coaches in a game. Now,
(19:31):
College Shanahan Sean mcvaya two guys that come to mind instantly.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
And for me, it's like, you want to see more
fun and creativity from an offensive.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Standpoint because all the rules favor the offense in the
first place, right, and that's the thing that puts more
butts in a seat like for me, and maybe you don't,
I'm just gonna.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Put it out there. I don't think you enjoy games
like this.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
I enjoy games like when the Broncos played the Raiders
and the scovers ten seven.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
I like, ye will I like it when defense futrid
offense right right.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
So I love those types of games where we're seeing
great offensive play. Even in the game with the Broncos
play against the Commanders right there, there were there were
pivotal moments where the offense got you know, saw leaky coverage,
and they were able to make some great plays, but
there were moments where the defense actually stood up. I
actually like that, and and I guess I'm part of
(20:31):
a small audience, but I would love to see like
that Air Corioel type of you know, air display come
back to the NFL in that way.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Yeah, I mean I would, I think, uh yeah, I
would too. I'm just I'm excited because this is one
of these offenses that got Colorado that you know, when
you think about Sean Payton, supposedly everything, every play that
he has has a solution to everything at it, right, Like,
that's that's the whole mark. It's like, theoretically, there's solution
for no matter what's out there.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
There's a solution, right well, a solution for what the
defense may do to counter whatever the defense is doing
and putting up there, Like there's there's reads and every
read you know, Dad, you go down to the corection,
there's there's a solution there somewhere.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
That's that's the the hallmark of the Sean Payton theoretically offense.
And this this is the same thing, like this is
designed to give you. I mean, it's a lot more
running than Colorado's used to out of odd formations. It's
a lot more option running than you used to. But
there's a solution to everything here, and that's the kind
of offense that I like. There's there is a solution
(21:34):
to everything, and then the defense just has to keep
you know, it has to try to keep up, and
it creates a chess match, a real chess match, and
I just love that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Okay, So looking at these numbers, and I might be
a little off here, you say, Okay, the boves own
average scored about twenty one points and average are offensively
three hundred and twenty eight yards per game, and that
kind of put them in the you know, loy echelon
of power five teams maybe one on two ranking offensively.
(22:07):
So with this new potential go go offense, what do
you think those numbers kind of escalate too? Well?
Speaker 1 (22:14):
UNLV, they were averaging thirty five points a game. Now
again they were they were up against some ostensibly easier defenses.
Then CEU will be up up against at the unit.
In twenty twenty four, his last year UNLV, they averaged
they were fifteenth in the country at thirty five point
four points per game and so you know, it's there's
(22:38):
you don't And the quarterback that they had it was
not the world's greatest thrower. He was barely a sixty
percent passer. It was Hosma Leak Williams. I don't know
if you guys remember him or not, but he threw
for nineteen hundred yards and nineteen touchdowns. But a lot
of what they did came on the ground. They had
two running backs that had over one hundred and sixty carries.
Well Williams was one of them. As the quarterback at
over one hundred and sixt carries. Jadan Thomas had one
(22:59):
hundred and sixty four carre age, and they had another
running back with ninety you know those sixty. You know,
a lot of what they do it's it's it centers
on like I said, this this triple option thing, you're
going to see deep shot plays, You're going to see
a lot of passing out of it. This is not again,
this is not Army in the sense that they don't
throw the ball just at its core. It's like it's
(23:21):
like watching Army with what they do now, except that
at its you know, at its core, except that they
expand on that with a West Coast passing game, passing
tree on top of it.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
When I hear you speak about it, the first thing
that comes to mind. I go back to my my youth,
of my childhood growing up in Miami and watching former
Oklahoma Sooner quarterback to Miil Holloway, right, something like that.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Whereas it's it's up pays. It's similar to what.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
You know, see you ran with Charles Johnson before, but
see you kind of maybe go back a little homage
to that, but maybe not exactly, but more of a
faster type of offense that we've seen from.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
The CU Buffs in years.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Pass.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yeah, it will definitely be faster than it was last year.
I mean it'll be you remember how Baylor when Art
Briles was there, Yeah, I would say that the passing
when RG three was there. Yeah that Like I would
say that, you know, the mid twenty tens under Art Briles,
Like in terms of up tempo and the passing and
what you'll see out of it, I would say if
you combined Army's triple option with Art Briles pass, you
(24:32):
know that in the pass game that Art and Kenel
Briles used to have, it would like it's kind of
like that those two marrying up and having it in
a lot of ways, kind of having sort of a
kid I it's not it's not exactly the run and shoot,
you know, it's it's like a it's like a triple
option and shoot, let's all hurry up. And if they
if they don't get to eighty eighty five plays in
(24:54):
a game, they feel like they failed in terms of
controlling the pace.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Let's see. Okay, so normal offense, by the way.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Gets about sixteen.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Yes, But now now I'm thinking, okay, well, the the
work that's going to be needed to be put in
during the off season to get everyone up to speed
because we know watching even watching the Broncos games, well,
you know the play call?
Speaker 2 (25:14):
How long is the play call?
Speaker 3 (25:16):
I mean, with the quarterback have a wristband, can you
are you able to get that many calls in right away?
Are we going play one, play two? Are we doing that?
Or we're trying to get.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
These long, extensive play calls out.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
And I'm thinking that that verbiates along would make it
really difficult for the quarterback to get the information disseminated
to the players and they go out there and execute consistently.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Yeah, I think a lot of it's like it's it's
just getting to the line quickly, like sugar huddle and
get to the line, and you've got the call, you
got the signs on the sideline while doing that. We
got some of that, we got you.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Know, there's oh with Barbie Doll pictures.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah, there's some of that kind of you know you've
got because they weren't I mean, UNLV wasn't the fastest
pace in terms of seconds per play, but they would
get up there quick like they wouldn't let you say,
would gas you and not let you sub out, you know,
and it didn't give you plenty of time because I mean,
and that's a part of it. So I think that again,
(26:17):
I think these are gonna be some things that maybe
see U fans aren't used to or aren't used to seeing.
But like, I'm kind of hoping that people will will
like it because I think it's something that's that's vastly
different and can be successful if you give it time.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
I wonder how quickly would this scheme actually take hole
where you can actually see.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Execution right away?
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Well, because we know there's always a learning curve, right,
there's always a learning curve, and Unlike the pro game,
there are no preseason game where you can work out
the kings, right, I mean, you got to get the
weak one.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
That's why you scheduled, you know, week zero or whatever.
It's why you usually scheduled. You know, it's also Welding School,
and you know it's it's al Arkansas School for the
Deaf and Blind, the deaf Leopards. That people did not
remember that. Nobody believe me that. Yeah, but that's why yours.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
When I first heard it, I thought you were doing
your Benjamin Albright thing.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
But that is a real school the deaf leopards. No,
but that's why you scheduled those kind of things early on,
the little Sisters of the Poor type schools is, you know,
is just to try to try to get that stuff
to where you need it to be and and and
go from there and again. I I'm just really excited
about this. I don't mean a gush for multiple segments
(27:38):
like this. We'll get off that and get out of
the Broncos and some of this other stuff, but I am.
I'm excited for creative football here in Colorado. I love
the fact that this is going to be coming here.
I love the fact that. You know, I didn't really
talk about it much, but Jim Mora u gonna be
up there at c SU. I think that's going to
be huge for c s U. H with what he
did with with Yukon. I just really think that there's
good college football coming coming here to Colorado.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
I like the fact that anytime you can add a
coach that brings new creative ideas, because what it does
is it challenges every coach in the market, whether it's
a pro team or the collegiate team. So the idea
of Marion coming here and with this whole bringing up
tempo for the CU Buffs, it could have a profound
(28:23):
effect on you know what air Force is running with
Troy cal Home, where Jim Moore is running with the
CSU Rams, and they could have an impact if effective
and efficient and it's scoring a lot of points, could
have an effect on what happens with Sean Paygne and
bow Nicks. I still think that that's the strong possibility
in my mind.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Maybe you steal a few of these, you know, player
two here and you get something well.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
But we don't want to say steal to borrow.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
You know, he stole a hurry up no huddle from
Gusts and he stole the flash three from Bob Stitt
here at Colorho School of Mind, by the way, and
this offense was stolen butt.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Just think about this, like like, borrow sounds a.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Lot better like Nick borrowed you know, Ben's car opposed.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
To tomtle My car.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
It sounds completely different. Does yeah, it does. We want
to borrow. We don't want to steal.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Okay, right, because borrow means that you had it, I
took it, and I enhanced it.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
It still means that you're not getting the back. You
gotta enhance it some way. Speaking of borrow, we're on borrow.
Tom the Practice squadlogy more more shown flashes before. I
don't know what kind of impact they'll have on the
team this year or long term. Kind of reminds me
(29:48):
in terms of what he brings the table as a
receiver of what Trey Kwan Smith was for Sean Payton.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Back in New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I don't know, you know, a lot of people excited
about that. But then again, Sean Payton has never foul
the Practice Squad edition receiver. He doesn't want to stash
and forget exists. You know, just look at Perry and
you know, and all these guys before that that have
come through before. So I don't even know if this
is like, this is a thing that's going to make
any impact at all. What do you think about the
Broncos adding a lot of more?
Speaker 3 (30:15):
I think it will make an impact from this perspective,
having a veteran wide receiver who has a good or
excellent route running it can actually pressure defense at this
particular point and has the ability to make everyone a
lot better because dare I say, you have a fresh
(30:36):
pair of legs coming in a guy with a different perspective.
He doesn't know a lot of people on the team
and obviously he's trying to continue his NFL career. So
the idea is reading the room. Now, some people would
probably want him to kind of relax and pause, but
this is the opportunity for him to not pause, but
(30:57):
he hit the go button and really make the corners
and the safeties and press these linebackers and give them
a taste of what they're going to see on game.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Day, but give it to him in practice.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
That's where he comes in and that's where his value
and by doing that, he shows the coaches Okay, well
he's ready to go, and hopefully they give him a
couple of plays in practice, maybe with you know, second
team and third team, and he starts to show, okay,
well he's starting to learn the offense.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Because if you're able to.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Get Elijah Moore in the mix, it gives you another
added weapon.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
It also adds depth to the team.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
But you know, earlier in the week, Rod Smith, you know,
we asked him his question, what does this mean for
the guys in the receiver room if he were in
that room now, he said, it wouldn't mean anything to him.
And I understand Rod Smith's kind of mindset. But for
any other guy in the room, you gotta think, well,
that's two wide receivers that they brought in the building,
(31:58):
the Jordan Humphrey Elijah more So you may not think
that someone's sending a message.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Those are two different kinds of receivers too. I mean, right, well,
George's a big, big body blocker. Moore's a you know,
five nine, one seventy eight slot guy who you know,
puts pressure on what Troy Franklin and Marvin Mims and you.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Know what that was the first thing I thought.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
It was like well Marvin Mims, but it is just
like well, has Marvin Mims received a bad shake in
the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Offense last year? He he got going after the bye
a week. I was kind of hoping that would start
this past week. Didn't really see a lot of that.
We'll ask Patrick Yoti his thoughts on that we come
back Broncos Country to night Kawai
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