Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Zero is the text line and loving all these college
football games that are going on. I got the championship
ten game parlay going right now, and I will tell you,
James Madison's doing my best to mess this thing up for.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Me that Troy, Yeah, don't doubt the Dukes.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Well, I had James Madison was like a twenty four
point favorite in this thing or whatever, and I moved
it to like ten and a half because I thought
Troy's gonna play a little tougher than that. But they're
They're flirting with a three point game on this. The
rest of the rest of the games, I've got so far,
so good on those. Is there a portion of the
college football season that just is your favorite?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Like?
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Like?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
For me?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
It's just right around this time of year, you get
the Army Navy game, you get the conference championships. The
one thing that I hate is we've we've built an
engineered this convoluted, stupid playoff system that's decided by hilariously
off preseason polling, and we wind up with teams that
are in the conversation that shouldn't be and teams that
(01:03):
aren't in the conversation that should be. And it bothers
the mess out of me because this preseason polling influences
so much on what ultimately becomes the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Yeah, it does. The one thing that bothers me is
it's a team like Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Right, Notre Dame is in the ACC and every single
sport except for football, and when you look at all
the other teams, they have to play a conference game
and usually that if you win it, you're good.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
You lose that conference game, now.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
You're out of the college football playoffs all together. But
Notre Dame sits at ten and they're ten and two,
and there are other teams that are under them, Like
you know, I know a lot of people from University
of Miami. They're upset about the fact that the Hurricanes
are ten and two sitting at twelve. But somehow you
got Notre Dame in the mix where they, yes.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
You got a team that you know, it's just did
it bugs me?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
And I look at this stuff and I'm like, why
what preseason at preseason polls end up ruining all this
stuff in college football?
Speaker 4 (02:09):
We we gotta we gotta put that stuff away.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
But on what we understand, who's now in charge of
those those polls, like everything runs through the full letter network.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
I'm just so we got to get rid of that stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
You can't have a poll that means anything until like
week six, week eight, because you like, you don't know,
you know, you get these teams and if they they
lose a game early and then went out there, they're
any You got a team that loses a game late.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Why I mean to be fair, I would say, if
you're going to lose a game, you want to know
it early. You want to lose early because now you
can make up that ground.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Because remember at.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
One point to begin the season, Uh, we saw Alabama
lose to Florida State and everyone was projecting Florida State
to be in the College Football playoffs and Alabama to
be on.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Their way out.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
And I remember, uh, the yelling and the screaming after
the board lost that game, and people are like, he
needs to be fired.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
But now you.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Know, Bama's kind of right back in the mix, sort
of say not like what it was on the Nick Saban,
but they're still someone in the mix. But this whole
thing with because it goes back to recruiting, like there's
always polls for recruiting.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Who has the top recruiting class and then you tie.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
That into preseason rankings and that's how we get these
final rankings that we have. And I know the BCS
wasn't perfect. I know it wasn't perfect, but man, some
of this stuff now, it's just like it frustrates me.
It really pisces me off because there are certain teams
(03:45):
and once again you mentioned Vandy, who's played well, they're
ten and two where they're gonna find themselves on an
out and Steve Starkeysan made a value claim after they
beat Texas A and M as to why they useduld
be in the college Football Playoff.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Yeah, it's it's the lobbying back and forth. And I
love some of that stuff. I love because it's it's
petty and it gets, you know, ridiculous with these uh
head coaches turned politicians turned salesman on this this thing
a little bit too. But it also bothers me that
some of these guys get left out, like like, for instance,
you know, the Vandy I don't mean to keep hammering
the thing on this, but Diego Pavia absolutely belongs to
(04:22):
the Heisman conversation. Vanderbilt absolutely belongs in the playoff conversation.
And either one of those guys you get a sniffit either.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
Well.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Once again, that's the thing, man, you can't lose any
games if you are in the Heisman race because it's
given to one player. But it's about your defense too.
If your defense doesn't play well. Sorry when I see you, Yeah, frustrated,
But hey, I get it.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
I look at it last year and I'm like, people
are voting for Dylan Gabriel over Bryson Daily last year
and it just it just blew my mind. We're gonna
run out to the kay Commas Berls highlining and bring
on our guy, Patrick, Keoni.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Patrick, How you doing this evening?
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Oh good man? You know, just living the day a life,
live in the dream.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
You know, it's it's nice and cold out here and
in Oregon. But doing doing pretty well? How about you guys?
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Doing pretty well as I just got done slandering, a
former Oregon quarterback.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
You know you mean that, you mean that fraud Dylan Gabriel,
that Heisman fraud Dylan Gabriel. I was not the biggest
fan of him.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Okay, there we go. At least. Yeah, I just like
the Heisman for me and I you know.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I look at it this year, we get the Broncos
stuff here in a second, I look at it this
year and I'm like, you know, you get the kid
from from Indiana, you get the kid from you know.
I think Diego Poavi is absolutely in that conversation. Who
has done more with less than Diego Pavia? Somebody tell me, Yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
I think that's Uh. I think it's going to be
an interesting Uh you know Heisman race, Like, there's there's
quite a few guys, you know, just in that in
that quarterback conversation, like Mendoz has been awesome, Pobby has
been electric, Dante Moore has been surgical. Uh, you know,
pretty much all year long. So I think it's it's
(05:59):
it's gonna be really interesting to see how it goes.
But man, last year, I was just like, why is
Dylan Gabriel in this conversation? It was the it was
the three headed dragon meme all over again.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Well, when you look at college football really quickly, I mean,
do you like the way that the current ranking system
is in place opposed to the old bcs?
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Do you think that they get it right every single year?
Speaker 5 (06:25):
I don't. I mean, and it's so hard, right, Like
there's so many good teams, and the way that the
way that the BCS system was set up, I think
if they tried to blend the two in a sense,
like have the playoff format but use the computer rankings
as as the way to you know, get those teams
(06:48):
in there, I think maybe that kind of blends it
all and makes it a little bit better. But I
don't think that the committee is one hundred percent every year,
and we've see we've seen that in recent years, and
especially with the matchups that they pick for some of
these games. It's like, why are you pitting these two
(07:09):
teams together? This is gonna be a blood bath. Let's
see some more competitive games and really make the playoffs
uh more fun to watch. But they gotta they got
to figure out a way, and it's never going to
be perfect. It's never gonna be perfect, but they have
to find a way to make it better for sure.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Yeah, it just looks like.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I mean, and we're talk about Patrick Yild, it looks
like Connor you're atchek you watch him on these these
these panchials.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
It looks like they're making it up as they go along.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
It just it just looks it's it feels ridiculous when
they give some of these explanations.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
I'm like, this is stupid.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Can we bring I never thought we would come full
circle where like bring back the BCS computers.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Yeah, I mean, well.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
With the way that the with the way that.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
The computer systems work, and like, I don't know about Colorado,
but in Oregon we also have we've had like two
different ranking systems and one of them is kind of
like the BCA, and like it's just some of the
calculations just like didn't make sense whatsoever. I mean, we
we beat the brakes off of a team and it
(08:09):
sent us, it sent us two spots lower in the ranking,
and we're like, well, now, hang on a second, Like
we beat we beat a team here and and we're
getting punished for it. That doesn't make a whole lot
of sense. So I think it's just got to be
it's got to be some kind of hybrid where you
know they're using the calculations, but you know, maybe they're
(08:32):
just kind of blending those two formats together.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
All right, So the Broncos seem to be sitting in
a perfect place with everything in front of them. Now,
I definitely have to to ask you do you think, uh,
members of Broncos country after what they've seen thus far
this season. Uh, there there's a little glimmer of hope,
of course, but there's always a section of fear.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Do you think that that section.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Of fear will probably the Broncos can't establish your run game?
Speaker 5 (09:03):
Oh yeah, I mean yeah, absolutely. They cannot keep winning
games with Bonnicks throwing the ball forty to forty five
times a game. Like, you have got to figure out
what to do in the run game. And like I've
been saying this since JK. Dobbins went out, it was like, Okay,
we have to find a different solution because we cannot
(09:26):
rely on the run game the way that it is
structured right now. It's not sustainable. And if defenses are
going to be expecting you to throw the ball a bunch,
you know they're going to be very very capable of
stucking the runs. So they have to figure out something else. RJ. Harvey,
(09:46):
I love them to death. I just don't think it's
there yet. I don't. Sorry, I don't think it's there yet.
And like there's some sometimes where we're missing holes. There's
sometimes where we're just not seeing things progress correctly. And
so they need to find a back, whether it's a
free agent or someone on another practice squad who is
(10:08):
a real downhill, big body type of runner, so they
can get back to that style of run game that
they had with Dobbins. I just don't I just don't
think that they're going to be able to survive some
of these games. We It's it's always the conversation in football,
right you throw the ball in September and you run
the ball in December. And right now the Broncos are
(10:30):
in a really really interesting spot because these next you know,
these next games that are finishing out the season, you
have got to get the run game established so that
you can go into the playoffs really comfortable and be
able to you know, manage and control these games, especially
when it comes to the clock. So I would say, yeah,
the worry is going to set in for sure, especially
(10:52):
if especially if these teams start, you know, really hammering
down on run defense.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Your Patrick, I don't know if you saw or not.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Colorado has hied Brendan Marion is the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
It's going to bring an entirely different style of play
here at Colorado. Know Brendan for.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Twenty years I guess, and I'm really really excited about it.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
What do you think about that higher?
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Yeah, I think it's I think it's gonna be a
fun one. You know, a buddy of mine who I
coached with out here, Mike Peck, he he loved the higher.
I really like the higher as well. You know, how
long is he going to be at Colorado? I don't know.
But the go go offense is one. I mean, we've
seen it here. Brannan was here in Oregon and he
(11:37):
put the go go in and it was really successful.
And then you know, he took that. He did it Nevada,
he did UNLV, he did it at sax States, And
it is a really fun offense and it's it's it
has a lot of options. So where that Patmer offense
(11:57):
was super vanilla and super bland, this one is going
to have a lot of movement, you know, pre pre
Snapp shifts, pre s App motions they play. The numbers
in the run game are really funky and interesting and
it allows for a lot of really cool options. So
I'm I'm pretty excited. That's actually really you know, really
(12:20):
fun hire for this team and the way that their
recruiting has been you know, bringing in the top quarterback
in the country, that he has a young guy that
he can work with for a few years and really
build up. And Deon's always going to find weapons. Man,
He's always going to attract some kid to come, you know,
to come play. Some top wide receivers are going to
(12:41):
come play, some top running backs are going to come play.
It's going to be really fun. It's going to be
really really cool to see. I hope that he has
a lot of success because it's time. You know, you've
had a few years of prime and and you know
it hasn't really been all that you've wanted it to be,
and now you kind of get you have to figure
out what this next phase of Buffalo football is going
(13:05):
to be, especially on the offensive side. So really excited
for Brennan. I think this is going to be a
really cool opportunity for them and it's gonna be a
fun scheme. I think Bus fans are are really.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Going to like this offense.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Do you think that it is somewhat of a negative
that he's had a couple of stops at different places,
but it wasn't for more than multiple years.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Do you think that is something that fans will look
at and go, ah, I'm not sure.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Yeah, I think it is, you know, And that was
something that you know, Mike Peck brought up, was like, yeah,
he's had a lot of success, but like, look at
all these places, he's never anywhere for more than you know,
two seasons. I think that with him, it's about you know,
you've done it at you've done it at you know,
(13:54):
one level, you've done it at another level. Now it's
time to see if we can do it at the
at the top level and really build build an offense
essentially from scratch. Like none of these kids are gonna
have any experience playing in this style of offense, so
it's going to be completely different. But I hope that
(14:15):
this is like a three to four year thing. I
hope it's not just a you know, two one to
two year thing.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
But I hope that he says.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
But I do I can't understand the concern there from
fans where you know, oh, this guy is only going
to be here if the offense is successful in year one,
you know, then he's just going to go find a
coaching job somewhere else. So totally get it. But I
hope it is a three to.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Four year thing talk a Betric.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Kiyoti last one from me shifting back to the Broncos,
the adelige more or anything there? Or is this just
Sean taking another dice roll on a castaway man?
Speaker 5 (14:54):
You know this is this was an interesting one where
it's it's a guy who is ouned. He's a really
fun route runner, but he's not like he doesn't like
the numbers, won't blow you away, super inconsistent throughout his career.
Brand he was in Cleveland, so you know, how much
weight can we really put into that? But this is
(15:15):
a guy that's been around, can't seem to stick. Maybe
this is an opportunity for him to have a fresh start.
But I feel like they need somebody who is kind
of like in that role. Like I know they were,
you know, they were looking at Cup and Digs and
some other guys. So it's like they're looking for someone
who can kind of play that Z role where he
(15:40):
can get separation on on quicker routes. He can be
a middle of the field thread or a boundary threat.
I just I just don't know a lot of the
stuff that I've seen is like, oh, well, he's going
to take snaps from Marvin Mims. Well, why is he
going to take snaps from Marvin Mims? What is Marvin
Mims the receiver are going to do better than Elijah
(16:02):
Moore the receiver. And that's the question that I would
beg and answer from from fans. It's like, please go
watch Marvin Mims the receiver. Marvin Mims the returner, fantastic,
No notes give that dude, Like let him let him
touch the ball on you know, every return and every punt.
That's fine, But like watch that guy as a receiver.
(16:23):
It's it's just kind of lackluster. So he hasn't really
panned out to be, you know, the guy that they
drafted in to be. So I think it's just Sean
kind of bringing in another guy who's got some talent,
who maybe can make an impact if an injury occurs,
or someone who can make some impact next season.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Patrick, We appreciate you tom as always.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
Hey, thank you so much, guys, Really appreciate you and
really excited to hear you guys this weekend, Go Broncos.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Absolutely, Go Broncos.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Patrick yioting Broncos Country Night back after this, here's the
text line thanks to Patrick Keyoti leavon Broncos joining us
in the last segment.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
You miss any part of that, you go to Broncos,
Country Night.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Dot Com, slash podcast or wriverage podcast, Apple, it Tunes, Spotify,
the free and redesigned iHeartRadio, where you can get the
Taking It for Granted podcast archives as well.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
I appreciate you guys being along for the ride.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Ryan's has been your Friday Update anchor remains sensational. Yeah,
Jody jordan Is is a golden voiced man, and I would, uh,
I would commit murders to have that man's voice.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
I'm sorry what this is Nick Ferguson talking right now? No, no,
you could.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
You can throw your voice and make it appear as though,
uh that was me. I mean, I'm sure everyone's out
there of listening. We've been listening to.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Definitely tell the difference between our voices.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Unless you could not tell the difference last week when
you were out Yes, oh he could not see Oh
he thought, okay, till there's a year in Grant's voice.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Wow, you can call hi Grant and naked. I'm like,
that's not I'm going to be honest. I don't think
those are two voices. I would ever confuse as long
as I live. No, Yeah, it was, I mean it was.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
It was ridiculous, But I did want to get into
a couple of things here. Did you see George Pickens
get on social media today?
Speaker 3 (18:23):
You know, yeah, saying something to Richard Sherman and listen.
I know we all have social media and sometimes it
can get a little bit overboard, especially when you know
players are critique maybe in certain ways by former players.
But I mean, I listened to what Sherham said last night,
(18:44):
and there's some valid points because after cdee Lamb left
the game with that concussion, George Pickens became wide receiver number.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
One, and the way that he was running his.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Rounds was just like he was like the third or
fourth guy in the.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
And Dak was throwing to him.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
And then in his moments, you saw Dak looking at
him like almost like dude, what.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Are you doing? Yeah, it was they did not look
picktts didn't look right.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
And then he's jumping on social media and wolfing at
Richard Sherman, and I I just this has always been
the problem with with Pickens, and it goes back to
kind of a funny testament about Mike Tomlin. When you
look about all the head cases that have come out
of Pittsburgh as wide receivers that he's had to deal
with over the years, got the maximum.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Out of under under his head coaching.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Looking at Tonio Brown, Uh, you look at you look
at George Pickens, I mean ware too. Mike Wallace was there.
I mean, Emmanuel Sanders was. I mean, he was probably
the best behaved all of me. He had a little
bit of a DVD to him. Plexico, Yeah, Plasco barrests.
You've had, I mean, you've had some dudes go through there,
go through that organization that are You're like, man, all
the talent in the world, but ten cent head Uh
(19:53):
sometimes when wait, wait, is.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
It just Pittsburgh or is it I mean, I don't
want to generalize, but I think that Helmes with some wide.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Receivers, I hate does come with some of our receivers,
but I think in Pittsburgh wide receiver it seems to
be a bit snake.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
And here's the uh, here's the audio, by the way,
the big story.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Here's George Piggots.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
George figures you're out the game, especially laying the game.
Just look hundred should playing football? You know, and that's
what you can't have if you're gonna get a superstar,
if you want to be the best receiver in the
National FOOTBA League, you can ever be disengaged. It doesn't
matter if the games for your way. I'm not going
your way. You can't just disappear in these games or
else you're not gonna have impact.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
And just right here, cruising, cruising rouse you're the guy.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
You're the guy seenee Lamba's out in this game.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
He's out and you get intercepted on your slack routes
and you can't need the guy and half does it? Man,
I'm sorry, it's just you can't. It's unacceptable.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
I mean, if you're a Dallas.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Cowboys and you're looking at him and you're looking at the.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Eighty time receiver.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
Money forty million dollars, you gotta look at this say
and say, hey, is this a guy who can trust
to day forty million dollars to show up run us
in circuy seats?
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I don't know, Yeah, that's I mean, you know, Richard Sherman,
don't think you said anything wrong. Niggs did look like
you interested in playing and you needed to be the
guy to step up with CD out of there.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
But see that's the crazy part about it, knowing as
though above Detroit and the Cowboys were fighting for essentially
their playoff lives and Cedee Lamb goes out and when
CD was out with an earlier injury during the season,
Pickins was the guy. I mean, he showed up big
time and this gave him another opportunity.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
So I don't know what was going.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
On with him mentally, why he wasn't running more precision
type routes like hey, I'm trying to get open Dak
Hicks hit me. We have to match the same offensive
efficiency as a Detroit line, because.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
I mean, it was a slugfest. I took the over,
but I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
It was going to be that type of game because
no one played any defense.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Yeah, I was expecting the under on that one Thursday
night game, you know, all that kind of stuff. But
with those two teams, I thought, Okay, you know, we'll
keep it. But no, it was just a points fiesta there.
And you know, Dallas shot themselves in the foot a
couple of times. It really kind of cost them, you
know overall, And I I mean, you know it was
was it the facto playoff game for these two teams.
(22:09):
And how are you going to have a guy who's
playing for a new contract out there looking like he's
not interested in helping his team make the playoffs this year?
Speaker 4 (22:24):
You know what? That is very interesting.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
But I just want to take a quick sidebar for
just a second, since we're talking about the Cowboys and
guys with contracts and playoff implications. But I mean, when
you think about statistically speaking, what Davonte Williams was able
to do or has done in the Cowboys uniform, it's
been extraordinary because as of last night's game, he's now
(22:50):
officially over a thousand yards on the ground.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
And I know.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
When we talk about the Broncos run game, right, and
our last guest was talking about RJ. Harvey and the
possibility of not seeing the hole in certain things like that,
these were some of the same things that was said
about one Davonte Williams when he was with the Broncos.
But to me, it's not just all the running backs
and him going over a thousand yards that actually puts
(23:21):
that on display that Hey, you just can't blame Javonte
Williams for the lack of a run game for the
Denver Broncos because he just went to another team and
he rusts over for more than a thousand yards right now.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yeah, It's it's just frustrating to watch a couple of
these different things. Watch Chavonte have the season that he's
had down there, and once once the Dallas brought in
Clayton Adams, the season that Javante's had, you know, frustrating
to watch here has said we had him confined to
a third down roll, you know, and and they've got
him as a bell cow back and he's thriving.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
He's thriving. Man. That's just just frustrating.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
A couple of other things I wanted to I want
to get to you Wan to talk about his pocket
passer versus perimeter thrower.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
What do you want to build around? What was what
was your jack?
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Feel free to jump in here as well, and anyone
you walking around, you know, wherever you are listening on
the text line, tell me what you think. Because it's
often pushed that a quarterback has to be able to
make plays from the pocket.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
And it's like, if you can't make.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Plays for the pocket and drive the balls down the field,
then they don't consider you to be somewhat of a
quarterback right, and I am mother frame of mind is
that well, while it's good for a guy to be
a pocket passer, but the ability to make plays on
the perimeter and throw on the run is tougher, and
(24:43):
by bye, by my measurements, you guys are capable of
telling me whatever you think, but to me, I want
a quarterback who has those abilities. And when I look
at both nixt the current quarterback for the Denver Broncos
and the future of the Denver Broncos, he possesses all
of these attributes and I will like to see him unleashed.
(25:03):
That's what I would like to see him unleashed, because
he's showing by I want to say by default that
he can make these types of plays. And oh, by
the way, when we look at the limited amount of
sex that the Broncos offensive line has surrendered all season along,
I would like to say there's a major part of
that is due because BOE's ability to.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Escape in the pocket.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Yeah, I mean, I want somebody who can throw from
the pocket, who can maybe lives. You know, his home
is in the pocket, but I'm not afraid for him
to get out in the front yard if he needs
to get out in the front yard then you know,
play around.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
I talk about backyard football, backyard football, the front yard football.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
I'm just saying, like, I want somebody the modern breed
of quarterback is somebody who can make all the throws
from the pocket, that has the ability to extend plays
with the legs, has the ability to get outside and
or pick up yardage if he needs to, whichever way
you look at it. And I would say that Bow
fits in that category very well. You know, I think
(26:05):
Lamar is the extreme athlete, you know side of that,
Josh Allen maybe the extreme rocket arm you know side
of that. Bow is more the uh, the past district
if you're doing a web graph, he would be on
the past distributor point of that. But all those guys
are are are different versions of the same mold. If
if you're asking me for the skill set that I want,
(26:27):
is I want a guy who's who sees it quick,
has hyperaccuracy, and has.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
The legs to extend when things break down in that order.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
So so that's essentially a bridge guy who can do both.
Because I mean, obviously growing up, you had you know,
Booma Sizon, you had Jim Kelly, Dan Marino. You know,
there was Dan FOUPs. There are all these guys who
I wouldn't classify as being mobile quarterbacks. Those were your
(26:57):
premiere pocket passes. They live between the tackles.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
So she had Joe Montana and Steve Young, and those
guys were mobile. Mean, Joe Montana is an option.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Guy, notre dame, right, But I would say that, well
you talk about I mean, Steve.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Young is the archetype for me. If you had to ask,
like if you were a thing, that's just say if
you were.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
If you were to give me the basic recipe that
we were starting with, I would say, Steve right handed
Steve Young goes because I hate left head quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
I give me right handed Steve Young.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Well, well, Steve Steve was great because I mean, being
a left arm quarterback with that type of mobility made
it harder for defensive units. And this is why I said,
well you want to a hybrid of that type of
guy that can't throw from the pocket, but he's excellent
making plays on a perimeter. And the reason I say
(27:43):
that is because the way that we see edge rushes. Now,
just look at what the Houston Texans have with Will
Anderson and Daniel Hunter and the Broncos have it, John
that Cooper and Nick Benito. To me, that pocket is
gonna get collapsed at some point.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
And if you were.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Just's a statue asque pure pocket passer, you're gonna get
collapsed as well.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
But that guy who has mobility, well, you think about it.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
You think about Drake May, You think about Jared Golf
to a certain extent, Daniel Jones, Sam Donald, Justin Herbert.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
All of these guys when you look at.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Them statistically in the league, those are your quarterbacks who
can get out on the perimeter and make plays.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yeah, I mean, you know, even like Drew Brees wasn't
quite athletic enough I think to be in that conversation
was straight up pocket passer. But he had but he'd
had legs more than you thought he did. Like he
would go pick stuff up early on that late in
his career. He couldn't he couldn't move. But you know,
I mean, I don't know, like somewhere between Steve or
Alex Smith with a stronger arm, if you put a
little more, he put a little more, you know, backside
(28:45):
and in Alex Smith like that, to me, that's that's
the guy.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
I think the ideal guy was a guy that you mentioned.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
It is like the ideal guys Steve Young, right that
that that's who you should be looking for.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
That type of.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
God quick, knew how to you know, act you're a passer,
and and it was able to move when he needed
to move, you know.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
I think, I think to me, that's that's the archetype.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
I you know, if you're asking me, like, I think
there's like a triangle, you know, in terms of the quarterbacks.
I think Steve Young is one aspect of that. I
think like Michael Vick, Lamar Jackson is one one aspect
of that. And I think the other one is like
the Peyton Manning, Dan Marino, you know, all the other So.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
What what part of the triangle do you want to
be in?
Speaker 5 (29:26):
I want to lean more.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Towards the Steve Young side of that. It was like
that if you could harness.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
All three of those things, where you had you had
Vic and Lamar with hyper mobility and rocket arps, you know,
and Josh Allen.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
I guess goes in that category.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
You had Peyton Manning who was so endamnorate or so cerebral,
got it out quick and then over here you had
the Steve Young's and the guys.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Who were you know, accurate.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
It was kind of the blending of that if you
could find it kind of triangulate those three guys.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
I think Steve Young is the closest to you. You
kind of get. I. I think you need the mobility.
I think it's a necessity in the NFL nowadays. Like
who's the last quarterback to enter the NFL and have
six despite being like truly immobile.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
I'd say Kirk Cousins and like the twenty twelve.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Draftings, Like, you know, did he have that much great
success even like or sustained success in the league. I
guess it'd be debatable, but you know, we're talking about
two guys in a decade and a half long period.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
I think you need that juice.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Meanwhile, I think there's guys who haven't had that pocket
passer ability at least entering the league. Like Patrick Mahomes
was a backyard football quarterback. Josh Allen had a lot
of that. Lamar Jackson and we've seen all of those
guys rented it and learn how to play from the back.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
I had to pick one.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Is there an issue with quarterbacks who considered backyard football players.
Is that is Is that a bad stigma to put
that on a quarterback, because it sounds as though in
some storyles it has become a bad stigma.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
It's great to be able to go off road. If
you can't go on road at all, I think that's concerning,
Like you need to be able to play on the
track on schedule to an extent if your only backyard,
if you can only play off schedule, I think that's
gonna get exploited quickly because we've seen like I think
the Broncos have done this against some Western quarterbacks. But like, okay,
we're just we're not going to really pass rush you naturally,
(31:15):
We're gonna just keep you in the pocket, force you
to try to play from there, and watch you kind
of cave.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
In on yourself.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
But I think when you use the term off row,
that to me is like, Okay, do you have the tires?
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Do you have the wheels to be able to do that?
Speaker 3 (31:26):
And most of the quarterbacks in the league have those
capabilities now. Now some are better at it than other guys.
Like when you look at where Aaron Rodgers is in
his career, right, he had a midget of mobility, but
obviously he's not that same person for me defensively, knowing
how the yunits have gotten better over the years, I
(31:49):
want a guy with a little wiggle and just got If.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
He has a little backyard in him, i'll take it.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
If you can't stress the defense with your legs anymore,
you're you're irrelevant to the point, I think we're all
trying to make in different ways.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Broncos Country Night. I gotta hit a break. We'll be
back after this.
Zero is the text line and loving all these college
football games that are going on. I got the championship
ten game parlay going right now, and I will tell you,
James Madison's doing my best to mess this thing up for.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Me that Troy, Yeah, don't doubt the Dukes.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Well, I had James Madison was like a twenty four
point favorite in this thing or whatever, and I moved
it to like ten and a half because I thought
Troy's gonna play a little tougher than that. But they're
They're flirting with a three point game on this. The
rest of the rest of the games, I've got so far,
so good on those. Is there a portion of the
college football season that just is your favorite?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Like?
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Like?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
For me?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
It's just right around this time of year, you get
the Army Navy game, you get the conference championships. The
one thing that I hate is we've we've built an
engineered this convoluted, stupid playoff system that's decided by hilariously
off preseason polling, and we wind up with teams that
are in the conversation that shouldn't be and teams that
(01:03):
aren't in the conversation that should be. And it bothers
the mess out of me because this preseason polling influences
so much on what ultimately becomes the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Yeah, it does. The one thing that bothers me is
it's a team like Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Right, Notre Dame is in the ACC and every single
sport except for football, and when you look at all
the other teams, they have to play a conference game
and usually that if you win it, you're good.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
You lose that conference game, now.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
You're out of the college football playoffs all together. But
Notre Dame sits at ten and they're ten and two,
and there are other teams that are under them, Like
you know, I know a lot of people from University
of Miami. They're upset about the fact that the Hurricanes
are ten and two sitting at twelve. But somehow you
got Notre Dame in the mix where they, yes.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
You got a team that you know, it's just did
it bugs me?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
And I look at this stuff and I'm like, why
what preseason at preseason polls end up ruining all this
stuff in college football?
Speaker 4 (02:09):
We we gotta we gotta put that stuff away.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
But on what we understand, who's now in charge of
those those polls, like everything runs through the full letter network.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
I'm just so we got to get rid of that stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
You can't have a poll that means anything until like
week six, week eight, because you like, you don't know,
you know, you get these teams and if they they
lose a game early and then went out there, they're
any You got a team that loses a game late.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Why I mean to be fair, I would say, if
you're going to lose a game, you want to know
it early. You want to lose early because now you
can make up that ground.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Because remember at.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
One point to begin the season, Uh, we saw Alabama
lose to Florida State and everyone was projecting Florida State
to be in the College Football playoffs and Alabama to
be on.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Their way out.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
And I remember, uh, the yelling and the screaming after
the board lost that game, and people are like, he
needs to be fired.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
But now you.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Know, Bama's kind of right back in the mix, sort
of say not like what it was on the Nick Saban,
but they're still someone in the mix. But this whole
thing with because it goes back to recruiting, like there's
always polls for recruiting.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Who has the top recruiting class and then you tie.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
That into preseason rankings and that's how we get these
final rankings that we have. And I know the BCS
wasn't perfect. I know it wasn't perfect, but man, some
of this stuff now, it's just like it frustrates me.
It really pisces me off because there are certain teams
(03:45):
and once again you mentioned Vandy, who's played well, they're
ten and two where they're gonna find themselves on an
out and Steve Starkeysan made a value claim after they
beat Texas A and M as to why they useduld
be in the college Football Playoff.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Yeah, it's it's the lobbying back and forth. And I
love some of that stuff. I love because it's it's
petty and it gets, you know, ridiculous with these uh
head coaches turned politicians turned salesman on this this thing
a little bit too. But it also bothers me that
some of these guys get left out, like like, for instance,
you know, the Vandy I don't mean to keep hammering
the thing on this, but Diego Pavia absolutely belongs to
(04:22):
the Heisman conversation. Vanderbilt absolutely belongs in the playoff conversation.
And either one of those guys you get a sniffit either.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
Well.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Once again, that's the thing, man, you can't lose any
games if you are in the Heisman race because it's
given to one player. But it's about your defense too.
If your defense doesn't play well. Sorry when I see you, Yeah, frustrated,
But hey, I get it.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
I look at it last year and I'm like, people
are voting for Dylan Gabriel over Bryson Daily last year
and it just it just blew my mind. We're gonna
run out to the kay Commas Berls highlining and bring
on our guy, Patrick, Keoni.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Patrick, How you doing this evening?
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Oh good man? You know, just living the day a life,
live in the dream.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
You know, it's it's nice and cold out here and
in Oregon. But doing doing pretty well? How about you guys?
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Doing pretty well as I just got done slandering, a
former Oregon quarterback.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
You know you mean that, you mean that fraud Dylan Gabriel,
that Heisman fraud Dylan Gabriel. I was not the biggest
fan of him.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Okay, there we go. At least. Yeah, I just like
the Heisman for me and I you know.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I look at it this year, we get the Broncos
stuff here in a second, I look at it this
year and I'm like, you know, you get the kid
from from Indiana, you get the kid from you know.
I think Diego Poavi is absolutely in that conversation. Who
has done more with less than Diego Pavia? Somebody tell me, Yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
I think that's Uh. I think it's going to be
an interesting Uh you know Heisman race, Like, there's there's
quite a few guys, you know, just in that in
that quarterback conversation, like Mendoz has been awesome, Pobby has
been electric, Dante Moore has been surgical. Uh, you know,
pretty much all year long. So I think it's it's
(05:59):
it's gonna be really interesting to see how it goes.
But man, last year, I was just like, why is
Dylan Gabriel in this conversation? It was the it was
the three headed dragon meme all over again.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Well, when you look at college football really quickly, I mean,
do you like the way that the current ranking system
is in place opposed to the old bcs?
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Do you think that they get it right every single year?
Speaker 5 (06:25):
I don't. I mean, and it's so hard, right, Like
there's so many good teams, and the way that the
way that the BCS system was set up, I think
if they tried to blend the two in a sense,
like have the playoff format but use the computer rankings
as as the way to you know, get those teams
(06:48):
in there, I think maybe that kind of blends it
all and makes it a little bit better. But I
don't think that the committee is one hundred percent every year,
and we've see we've seen that in recent years, and
especially with the matchups that they pick for some of
these games. It's like, why are you pitting these two
(07:09):
teams together? This is gonna be a blood bath. Let's
see some more competitive games and really make the playoffs
uh more fun to watch. But they gotta they got
to figure out a way, and it's never going to
be perfect. It's never gonna be perfect, but they have
to find a way to make it better for sure.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Yeah, it just looks like.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I mean, and we're talk about Patrick Yild, it looks
like Connor you're atchek you watch him on these these
these panchials.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
It looks like they're making it up as they go along.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
It just it just looks it's it feels ridiculous when
they give some of these explanations.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
I'm like, this is stupid.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Can we bring I never thought we would come full
circle where like bring back the BCS computers.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Yeah, I mean, well.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
With the way that the with the way that.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
The computer systems work, and like, I don't know about Colorado,
but in Oregon we also have we've had like two
different ranking systems and one of them is kind of
like the BCA, and like it's just some of the
calculations just like didn't make sense whatsoever. I mean, we
we beat the brakes off of a team and it
(08:09):
sent us, it sent us two spots lower in the ranking,
and we're like, well, now, hang on a second, Like
we beat we beat a team here and and we're
getting punished for it. That doesn't make a whole lot
of sense. So I think it's just got to be
it's got to be some kind of hybrid where you
know they're using the calculations, but you know, maybe they're
(08:32):
just kind of blending those two formats together.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
All right, So the Broncos seem to be sitting in
a perfect place with everything in front of them. Now,
I definitely have to to ask you do you think, uh,
members of Broncos country after what they've seen thus far
this season. Uh, there there's a little glimmer of hope,
of course, but there's always a section of fear.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Do you think that that section.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Of fear will probably the Broncos can't establish your run game?
Speaker 5 (09:03):
Oh yeah, I mean yeah, absolutely. They cannot keep winning
games with Bonnicks throwing the ball forty to forty five
times a game. Like, you have got to figure out
what to do in the run game. And like I've
been saying this since JK. Dobbins went out, it was like, Okay,
we have to find a different solution because we cannot
(09:26):
rely on the run game the way that it is
structured right now. It's not sustainable. And if defenses are
going to be expecting you to throw the ball a bunch,
you know they're going to be very very capable of
stucking the runs. So they have to figure out something else. RJ. Harvey,
(09:46):
I love them to death. I just don't think it's
there yet. I don't. Sorry, I don't think it's there yet.
And like there's some sometimes where we're missing holes. There's
sometimes where we're just not seeing things progress correctly. And
so they need to find a back, whether it's a
free agent or someone on another practice squad who is
(10:08):
a real downhill, big body type of runner, so they
can get back to that style of run game that
they had with Dobbins. I just don't I just don't
think that they're going to be able to survive some
of these games. We It's it's always the conversation in football,
right you throw the ball in September and you run
the ball in December. And right now the Broncos are
(10:30):
in a really really interesting spot because these next you know,
these next games that are finishing out the season, you
have got to get the run game established so that
you can go into the playoffs really comfortable and be
able to you know, manage and control these games, especially
when it comes to the clock. So I would say, yeah,
the worry is going to set in for sure, especially
(10:52):
if especially if these teams start, you know, really hammering
down on run defense.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Your Patrick, I don't know if you saw or not.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Colorado has hied Brendan Marion is the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
It's going to bring an entirely different style of play
here at Colorado. Know Brendan for.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Twenty years I guess, and I'm really really excited about it.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
What do you think about that higher?
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Yeah, I think it's I think it's gonna be a
fun one. You know, a buddy of mine who I
coached with out here, Mike Peck, he he loved the higher.
I really like the higher as well. You know, how
long is he going to be at Colorado? I don't know.
But the go go offense is one. I mean, we've
seen it here. Brannan was here in Oregon and he
(11:37):
put the go go in and it was really successful.
And then you know, he took that. He did it Nevada,
he did UNLV, he did it at sax States, And
it is a really fun offense and it's it's it
has a lot of options. So where that Patmer offense
(11:57):
was super vanilla and super bland, this one is going
to have a lot of movement, you know, pre pre
Snapp shifts, pre s App motions they play. The numbers
in the run game are really funky and interesting and
it allows for a lot of really cool options. So
I'm I'm pretty excited. That's actually really you know, really
(12:20):
fun hire for this team and the way that their
recruiting has been you know, bringing in the top quarterback
in the country, that he has a young guy that
he can work with for a few years and really
build up. And Deon's always going to find weapons. Man,
He's always going to attract some kid to come, you know,
to come play. Some top wide receivers are going to
(12:41):
come play, some top running backs are going to come play.
It's going to be really fun. It's going to be
really really cool to see. I hope that he has
a lot of success because it's time. You know, you've
had a few years of prime and and you know
it hasn't really been all that you've wanted it to be,
and now you kind of get you have to figure
out what this next phase of Buffalo football is going
(13:05):
to be, especially on the offensive side. So really excited
for Brennan. I think this is going to be a
really cool opportunity for them and it's gonna be a
fun scheme. I think Bus fans are are really.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Going to like this offense.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Do you think that it is somewhat of a negative
that he's had a couple of stops at different places,
but it wasn't for more than multiple years.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Do you think that is something that fans will look
at and go, ah, I'm not sure.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Yeah, I think it is, you know, And that was
something that you know, Mike Peck brought up, was like, yeah,
he's had a lot of success, but like, look at
all these places, he's never anywhere for more than you know,
two seasons. I think that with him, it's about you know,
you've done it at you've done it at you know,
(13:54):
one level, you've done it at another level. Now it's
time to see if we can do it at the
at the top level and really build build an offense
essentially from scratch. Like none of these kids are gonna
have any experience playing in this style of offense, so
it's going to be completely different. But I hope that
(14:15):
this is like a three to four year thing. I
hope it's not just a you know, two one to
two year thing.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
But I hope that he says.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
But I do I can't understand the concern there from
fans where you know, oh, this guy is only going
to be here if the offense is successful in year one,
you know, then he's just going to go find a
coaching job somewhere else. So totally get it. But I
hope it is a three to.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Four year thing talk a Betric.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Kiyoti last one from me shifting back to the Broncos,
the adelige more or anything there? Or is this just
Sean taking another dice roll on a castaway man?
Speaker 5 (14:54):
You know this is this was an interesting one where
it's it's a guy who is ouned. He's a really
fun route runner, but he's not like he doesn't like
the numbers, won't blow you away, super inconsistent throughout his career.
Brand he was in Cleveland, so you know, how much
weight can we really put into that? But this is
(15:15):
a guy that's been around, can't seem to stick. Maybe
this is an opportunity for him to have a fresh start.
But I feel like they need somebody who is kind
of like in that role. Like I know they were,
you know, they were looking at Cup and Digs and
some other guys. So it's like they're looking for someone
who can kind of play that Z role where he
(15:40):
can get separation on on quicker routes. He can be
a middle of the field thread or a boundary threat.
I just I just don't know a lot of the
stuff that I've seen is like, oh, well, he's going
to take snaps from Marvin Mims. Well, why is he
going to take snaps from Marvin Mims? What is Marvin
Mims the receiver are going to do better than Elijah
(16:02):
Moore the receiver. And that's the question that I would
beg and answer from from fans. It's like, please go
watch Marvin Mims the receiver. Marvin Mims the returner, fantastic,
No notes give that dude, Like let him let him
touch the ball on you know, every return and every punt.
That's fine, But like watch that guy as a receiver.
(16:23):
It's it's just kind of lackluster. So he hasn't really
panned out to be, you know, the guy that they
drafted in to be. So I think it's just Sean
kind of bringing in another guy who's got some talent,
who maybe can make an impact if an injury occurs,
or someone who can make some impact next season.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Patrick, We appreciate you tom as always.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
Hey, thank you so much, guys, Really appreciate you and
really excited to hear you guys this weekend, Go Broncos.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Absolutely, Go Broncos.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Patrick yioting Broncos Country Night back after this, here's the
text line thanks to Patrick Keyoti leavon Broncos joining us
in the last segment.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
You miss any part of that, you go to Broncos,
Country Night.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Dot Com, slash podcast or wriverage podcast, Apple, it Tunes, Spotify,
the free and redesigned iHeartRadio, where you can get the
Taking It for Granted podcast archives as well.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
I appreciate you guys being along for the ride.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Ryan's has been your Friday Update anchor remains sensational. Yeah,
Jody jordan Is is a golden voiced man, and I would, uh,
I would commit murders to have that man's voice.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
I'm sorry what this is Nick Ferguson talking right now? No, no,
you could.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
You can throw your voice and make it appear as though,
uh that was me. I mean, I'm sure everyone's out
there of listening. We've been listening to.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Definitely tell the difference between our voices.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Unless you could not tell the difference last week when
you were out Yes, oh he could not see Oh
he thought, okay, till there's a year in Grant's voice.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Wow, you can call hi Grant and naked. I'm like,
that's not I'm going to be honest. I don't think
those are two voices. I would ever confuse as long
as I live. No, Yeah, it was, I mean it was.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
It was ridiculous, But I did want to get into
a couple of things here. Did you see George Pickens
get on social media today?
Speaker 3 (18:23):
You know, yeah, saying something to Richard Sherman and listen.
I know we all have social media and sometimes it
can get a little bit overboard, especially when you know
players are critique maybe in certain ways by former players.
But I mean, I listened to what Sherham said last night,
(18:44):
and there's some valid points because after cdee Lamb left
the game with that concussion, George Pickens became wide receiver number.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
One, and the way that he was running his.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Rounds was just like he was like the third or
fourth guy in the.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
And Dak was throwing to him.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
And then in his moments, you saw Dak looking at
him like almost like dude, what.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Are you doing? Yeah, it was they did not look
picktts didn't look right.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
And then he's jumping on social media and wolfing at
Richard Sherman, and I I just this has always been
the problem with with Pickens, and it goes back to
kind of a funny testament about Mike Tomlin. When you
look about all the head cases that have come out
of Pittsburgh as wide receivers that he's had to deal
with over the years, got the maximum.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Out of under under his head coaching.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Looking at Tonio Brown, Uh, you look at you look
at George Pickens, I mean ware too. Mike Wallace was there.
I mean, Emmanuel Sanders was. I mean, he was probably
the best behaved all of me. He had a little
bit of a DVD to him. Plexico, Yeah, Plasco barrests.
You've had, I mean, you've had some dudes go through there,
go through that organization that are You're like, man, all
the talent in the world, but ten cent head Uh
(19:53):
sometimes when wait, wait, is.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
It just Pittsburgh or is it I mean, I don't
want to generalize, but I think that Helmes with some wide.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Receivers, I hate does come with some of our receivers,
but I think in Pittsburgh wide receiver it seems to
be a bit snake.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
And here's the uh, here's the audio, by the way,
the big story.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Here's George Piggots.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
George figures you're out the game, especially laying the game.
Just look hundred should playing football? You know, and that's
what you can't have if you're gonna get a superstar,
if you want to be the best receiver in the
National FOOTBA League, you can ever be disengaged. It doesn't
matter if the games for your way. I'm not going
your way. You can't just disappear in these games or
else you're not gonna have impact.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
And just right here, cruising, cruising rouse you're the guy.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
You're the guy seenee Lamba's out in this game.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
He's out and you get intercepted on your slack routes
and you can't need the guy and half does it? Man,
I'm sorry, it's just you can't. It's unacceptable.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
I mean, if you're a Dallas.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Cowboys and you're looking at him and you're looking at the.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Eighty time receiver.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
Money forty million dollars, you gotta look at this say
and say, hey, is this a guy who can trust
to day forty million dollars to show up run us
in circuy seats?
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I don't know, Yeah, that's I mean, you know, Richard Sherman,
don't think you said anything wrong. Niggs did look like
you interested in playing and you needed to be the
guy to step up with CD out of there.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
But see that's the crazy part about it, knowing as
though above Detroit and the Cowboys were fighting for essentially
their playoff lives and Cedee Lamb goes out and when
CD was out with an earlier injury during the season,
Pickins was the guy. I mean, he showed up big
time and this gave him another opportunity.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
So I don't know what was going.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
On with him mentally, why he wasn't running more precision
type routes like hey, I'm trying to get open Dak
Hicks hit me. We have to match the same offensive
efficiency as a Detroit line, because.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
I mean, it was a slugfest. I took the over,
but I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
It was going to be that type of game because
no one played any defense.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Yeah, I was expecting the under on that one Thursday
night game, you know, all that kind of stuff. But
with those two teams, I thought, Okay, you know, we'll
keep it. But no, it was just a points fiesta there.
And you know, Dallas shot themselves in the foot a
couple of times. It really kind of cost them, you
know overall, And I I mean, you know it was
was it the facto playoff game for these two teams.
(22:09):
And how are you going to have a guy who's
playing for a new contract out there looking like he's
not interested in helping his team make the playoffs this year?
Speaker 4 (22:24):
You know what? That is very interesting.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
But I just want to take a quick sidebar for
just a second, since we're talking about the Cowboys and
guys with contracts and playoff implications. But I mean, when
you think about statistically speaking, what Davonte Williams was able
to do or has done in the Cowboys uniform, it's
been extraordinary because as of last night's game, he's now
(22:50):
officially over a thousand yards on the ground.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
And I know.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
When we talk about the Broncos run game, right, and
our last guest was talking about RJ. Harvey and the
possibility of not seeing the hole in certain things like that,
these were some of the same things that was said
about one Davonte Williams when he was with the Broncos.
But to me, it's not just all the running backs
and him going over a thousand yards that actually puts
(23:21):
that on display that Hey, you just can't blame Javonte
Williams for the lack of a run game for the
Denver Broncos because he just went to another team and
he rusts over for more than a thousand yards right now.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yeah, It's it's just frustrating to watch a couple of
these different things. Watch Chavonte have the season that he's
had down there, and once once the Dallas brought in
Clayton Adams, the season that Javante's had, you know, frustrating
to watch here has said we had him confined to
a third down roll, you know, and and they've got
him as a bell cow back and he's thriving.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
He's thriving. Man. That's just just frustrating.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
A couple of other things I wanted to I want
to get to you Wan to talk about his pocket
passer versus perimeter thrower.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
What do you want to build around? What was what
was your jack?
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Feel free to jump in here as well, and anyone
you walking around, you know, wherever you are listening on
the text line, tell me what you think. Because it's
often pushed that a quarterback has to be able to
make plays from the pocket.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
And it's like, if you can't make.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Plays for the pocket and drive the balls down the field,
then they don't consider you to be somewhat of a
quarterback right, and I am mother frame of mind is
that well, while it's good for a guy to be
a pocket passer, but the ability to make plays on
the perimeter and throw on the run is tougher, and
(24:43):
by bye, by my measurements, you guys are capable of
telling me whatever you think, but to me, I want
a quarterback who has those abilities. And when I look
at both nixt the current quarterback for the Denver Broncos
and the future of the Denver Broncos, he possesses all
of these attributes and I will like to see him unleashed.
(25:03):
That's what I would like to see him unleashed, because
he's showing by I want to say by default that
he can make these types of plays. And oh, by
the way, when we look at the limited amount of
sex that the Broncos offensive line has surrendered all season along,
I would like to say there's a major part of
that is due because BOE's ability to.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Escape in the pocket.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Yeah, I mean, I want somebody who can throw from
the pocket, who can maybe lives. You know, his home
is in the pocket, but I'm not afraid for him
to get out in the front yard if he needs
to get out in the front yard then you know,
play around.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
I talk about backyard football, backyard football, the front yard football.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
I'm just saying, like, I want somebody the modern breed
of quarterback is somebody who can make all the throws
from the pocket, that has the ability to extend plays
with the legs, has the ability to get outside and
or pick up yardage if he needs to, whichever way
you look at it. And I would say that Bow
fits in that category very well. You know, I think
(26:05):
Lamar is the extreme athlete, you know side of that,
Josh Allen maybe the extreme rocket arm you know side
of that. Bow is more the uh, the past district
if you're doing a web graph, he would be on
the past distributor point of that. But all those guys
are are are different versions of the same mold. If
if you're asking me for the skill set that I want,
(26:27):
is I want a guy who's who sees it quick,
has hyperaccuracy, and has.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
The legs to extend when things break down in that order.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
So so that's essentially a bridge guy who can do both.
Because I mean, obviously growing up, you had you know,
Booma Sizon, you had Jim Kelly, Dan Marino. You know,
there was Dan FOUPs. There are all these guys who
I wouldn't classify as being mobile quarterbacks. Those were your
(26:57):
premiere pocket passes. They live between the tackles.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
So she had Joe Montana and Steve Young, and those
guys were mobile. Mean, Joe Montana is an option.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Guy, notre dame, right, But I would say that, well
you talk about I mean, Steve.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Young is the archetype for me. If you had to ask,
like if you were a thing, that's just say if
you were.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
If you were to give me the basic recipe that
we were starting with, I would say, Steve right handed
Steve Young goes because I hate left head quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
I give me right handed Steve Young.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Well, well, Steve Steve was great because I mean, being
a left arm quarterback with that type of mobility made
it harder for defensive units. And this is why I said,
well you want to a hybrid of that type of
guy that can't throw from the pocket, but he's excellent
making plays on a perimeter. And the reason I say
(27:43):
that is because the way that we see edge rushes. Now,
just look at what the Houston Texans have with Will
Anderson and Daniel Hunter and the Broncos have it, John
that Cooper and Nick Benito. To me, that pocket is
gonna get collapsed at some point.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
And if you were.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Just's a statue asque pure pocket passer, you're gonna get
collapsed as well.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
But that guy who has mobility, well, you think about it.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
You think about Drake May, You think about Jared Golf
to a certain extent, Daniel Jones, Sam Donald, Justin Herbert.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
All of these guys when you look at.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Them statistically in the league, those are your quarterbacks who
can get out on the perimeter and make plays.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yeah, I mean, you know, even like Drew Brees wasn't
quite athletic enough I think to be in that conversation
was straight up pocket passer. But he had but he'd
had legs more than you thought he did. Like he
would go pick stuff up early on that late in
his career. He couldn't he couldn't move. But you know,
I mean, I don't know, like somewhere between Steve or
Alex Smith with a stronger arm, if you put a
little more, he put a little more, you know, backside
(28:45):
and in Alex Smith like that, to me, that's that's
the guy.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
I think the ideal guy was a guy that you mentioned.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
It is like the ideal guys Steve Young, right that
that that's who you should be looking for.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
That type of.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
God quick, knew how to you know, act you're a passer,
and and it was able to move when he needed
to move, you know.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
I think, I think to me, that's that's the archetype.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
I you know, if you're asking me, like, I think
there's like a triangle, you know, in terms of the quarterbacks.
I think Steve Young is one aspect of that. I
think like Michael Vick, Lamar Jackson is one one aspect
of that. And I think the other one is like
the Peyton Manning, Dan Marino, you know, all the other So.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
What what part of the triangle do you want to
be in?
Speaker 5 (29:26):
I want to lean more.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Towards the Steve Young side of that. It was like
that if you could harness.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
All three of those things, where you had you had
Vic and Lamar with hyper mobility and rocket arps, you know,
and Josh Allen.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
I guess goes in that category.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
You had Peyton Manning who was so endamnorate or so cerebral,
got it out quick and then over here you had
the Steve Young's and the guys.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Who were you know, accurate.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
It was kind of the blending of that if you
could find it kind of triangulate those three guys.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
I think Steve Young is the closest to you. You
kind of get. I. I think you need the mobility.
I think it's a necessity in the NFL nowadays. Like
who's the last quarterback to enter the NFL and have
six despite being like truly immobile.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
I'd say Kirk Cousins and like the twenty twelve.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Draftings, Like, you know, did he have that much great
success even like or sustained success in the league. I
guess it'd be debatable, but you know, we're talking about
two guys in a decade and a half long period.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
I think you need that juice.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Meanwhile, I think there's guys who haven't had that pocket
passer ability at least entering the league. Like Patrick Mahomes
was a backyard football quarterback. Josh Allen had a lot
of that. Lamar Jackson and we've seen all of those
guys rented it and learn how to play from the back.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
I had to pick one.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Is there an issue with quarterbacks who considered backyard football players.
Is that is Is that a bad stigma to put
that on a quarterback, because it sounds as though in
some storyles it has become a bad stigma.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
It's great to be able to go off road. If
you can't go on road at all, I think that's concerning,
Like you need to be able to play on the
track on schedule to an extent if your only backyard,
if you can only play off schedule, I think that's
gonna get exploited quickly because we've seen like I think
the Broncos have done this against some Western quarterbacks. But like, okay,
we're just we're not going to really pass rush you naturally,
(31:15):
We're gonna just keep you in the pocket, force you
to try to play from there, and watch you kind
of cave.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
In on yourself.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
But I think when you use the term off row,
that to me is like, Okay, do you have the tires?
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Do you have the wheels to be able to do that?
Speaker 3 (31:26):
And most of the quarterbacks in the league have those
capabilities now. Now some are better at it than other guys.
Like when you look at where Aaron Rodgers is in
his career, right, he had a midget of mobility, but
obviously he's not that same person for me defensively, knowing
how the yunits have gotten better over the years, I
(31:49):
want a guy with a little wiggle and just got If.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
He has a little backyard in him, i'll take it.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
If you can't stress the defense with your legs anymore,
you're you're irrelevant to the point, I think we're all
trying to make in different ways.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Broncos Country Night. I gotta hit a break. We'll be
back after this.
Popular Podcasts
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
Are You A Charlotte?
In 1997, actress Kristin Davis’ life was forever changed when she took on the role of Charlotte York in Sex and the City. As we watched Carrie, Samantha, Miranda and Charlotte navigate relationships in NYC, the show helped push once unacceptable conversation topics out of the shadows and altered the narrative around women and sex. We all saw ourselves in them as they searched for fulfillment in life, sex and friendships. Now, Kristin Davis wants to connect with you, the fans, and share untold stories and all the behind the scenes. Together, with Kristin and special guests, what will begin with Sex and the City will evolve into talks about themes that are still so relevant today. "Are you a Charlotte?" is much more than just rewatching this beloved show, it brings the past and the present together as we talk with heart, humor and of course some optimism.
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.