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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Zero with him five six six nine zero is the
text line.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's Thursday night football.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
We got the uh have a Buccaneers take it on
the Atlanta Falcons here just a little bit, and uh,
Nick the boxs has been playing pretty terrible football lately.
I normally you would look at this and say they
should win because Atlanta has been playing terrible. But they've
both been playing terrible football lately. And I think you
and I are both on the over. But I think
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the Falcons can cover this.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
You really think so? I do?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Well, Drake London isn't playing in this game, and I
don't know what the would they announced as far as
Kyle Pitts, because he was another guy for the Falcons
offensively who was said to maybe not be playing tonight.
So if those two guys are not playing, that's going
to put a lot of pressure on Kirk Cousin and Vijeon.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Say doesn't that force you to start using Vijeon Robinson,
something they studiously avoid the way we avoid using Marvin Mims.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Well, yes, you use Bijon even more.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
But if you're Todd Bow's that takes two offensive weapons
off the chess table, and you say, you know what
We're gonna put nine men in the box and we're
gonna eliminate you as far as being able to get
your run game going. Now, bijon Is will get his yards,
but will he go over I don't know, one hundred.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yards, I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
So look, this is wild because Kirk Cousins, who would
have thought that he would have had another opportunity to
kind of get back into the mix and play ball.
But this is why I've said it, now've said again.
Having a backup quarterback is so important and you don't
realize until you really need one. That's why when you
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think about the Bronco situation with bow Nicks, they're solidified there,
But when it comes to having a backup quarterback, you're
solidified there or to do as well. So if anything
were to happen to Bowl he stubbed his toe and
he needed a game there to recover. You insert Jared
Stidham and the offense will work like butter.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Well, you'll you would hope, you hope, no, no, no, it would.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
So you have doubts that that Stidham would be able
to come in and move his offense down the field.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I watched him not move the offense down the fields.
When Russell Wilson was benched.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
That was a that was then been move move right along,
pick up your blocks and move forward. But we've seen
Stidham operate this offense with Davis Webb. I believe it
was calling the plays in the preseason against Arizona and
the offense looked great Withstinham.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Well, let me go the other direction with this thing.
If Stidham is all that in the bag of chips
to even Ebotix, hell yeah, we're talking about No.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Hey man, we are not the Cleveland Browns. I'm just no, no, no,
we have to keep it clean. You have you quarterback
for now, and do you have the for now breaking
case of emergency if something happens.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Just think about the cult situation, right, They didn't have that.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
They had to go get a retired forty four year
old quarterback.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Right who's been retired for a couple of years.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
No truth to the rumber by the way floating around
on Twitter that they changed to team dinners to three
PM at the Bob Evans to accommodate his advanced years discount.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, on the selicurper discount.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
No, but but that's what it is like so many
teams out there, they don't have adequate backup quarterback play.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Right, and you're gonna need one at some point during
the season.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Most teams require a backup quarterback just to play at
least five quarters of football for them at the course
of the season.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
That's the average.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
If Josh Allen gets injured, the Bills are done. And
we saw what happened with the Cincinnati Bengals. They had
to go trade for another team's quarterback within a division.
And you know, Joy Butterfly go did a decent job.
It's aid Joe Burrow return. He did, yes, but what
are we doing?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
What are you doing employing Jake Browning if you don't
believe he can be the guy if Joe Burrow, who
has a history of injury by the way, goes down.
They had four quarterbacks on that roster and they were like,
all these guys actually suck. We're gonna go trade for
the ghost of Joe Flacco because.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
They were dealing with what they had to deal with
at that moment. And oh, by the way, we are
in fact talking about Cinnati Bengals, right, well, why.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Would you employ at the time, I think they had
Brett Rippon and Mike White and Jake Browning.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
They felt that Browning gave them the best opportunity if
something were to happen to Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
But did they not give him practice snaps? Did they
not see what he was going to do in a game.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
But they were thinking, Okay, well, what are the chances
that Joe Burrow would get injury?
Speaker 2 (04:53):
And if he did pretty high?
Speaker 3 (04:57):
But was talking about an organization who doesn't really think
that logically. The Broncos, on the other hand, they've seen
this movie, right and they wanted to be prepared. That's
why Stidham when he decided he was going to come
back and signed with the Broncos. Why is decision for him?
I think his contract. I think he's making maybe six
eight million dollars to be both back up.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Who wouldn't take that?
Speaker 1 (05:20):
I mean, I'm not hating on him for secure of
the pag I'm just like, I'm looking at this like,
do you feel confident that he can win you football games?
And if you do feel confident that he can win
your football games?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Then then what no?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
No, no, no, no no man. And answer to the
question is yes, because when what didn't play well. In
the preseason game against Arizona, Twitter went a blaze as
people suggesting what you are suggesting, not actually suggesting that. Right,
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So it's do I have confidence that still Don't would
be able to come in and lead this team? Absolutely
because Stidham were therefore had the Broncos defense was goo
to help him out.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
And I think he's still a very serviceable backup.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
He's very service I think he's okay, but he's okay
back I'm playing the Devil's advocate, just to play the
devil's advocate. But you know, as far as the Kirk
Cousins aspect of it goes, like, I think that whole
offense has looked bad.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
It's not just Kirk Cousins looking washed.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Michael Pennis didn't look good in it previous you know
when he was in there either, And there has been
a groundswell of Falcons fans looking to move on from
that coaching staff after a season and a half because
the offense looks that bad.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
See, Okay, it's the teams and fans they have to
be careful, right because everyone wants to win, right, Everyone
wants to win, but we all know not everyone's going
to win some people are gonna take l's and you
watch other teams, like I'm sure the Falcons fans are
watching the Buccaneers kind of play the way they're playing.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
And more importantly will.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Put pressure on Rightie Moore and his coaching staff, Morris
and his coaching staff. Is the fact that Dave Knelis
and the Carolina Panthers are playing good football as well,
or people thought that Bryce Young wasn't an NFL quarterback.
So those are the things that put pressure on you.
But the Falcons have to realize that they're nowhere near
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being able to compete with other teams outside the NFC South.
That's the realism that some fan bases have to realize.
You get jealous watching other teams. I mean, come on,
see you just come on jump in on this. I mean,
as a Broncos fan, how jealous were you of Kansas
City winning so many playoff games?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Were you not jealous? I was extremely jealous.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
I had a good friend in college who was a
Chiefs fan, but kind of a more casual sports fan,
and I had to sit down conversation with them and
I was like, you need to appreciate this because I can't.
And this is going to be like maybe the greatest
dnisty ever.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
So you better lock in and started joined some Chiefs games.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
What do we see me and what are we're seeing?
What's happening with the Chiefs right now?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Erosion? That's right, everything gets some point. Pray he doesn't
get ahead coaching job to be bad.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
So so so once again it happens to everyone. But
you want to make sure you prepare even the Chiefs. Right,
they have Gardner Minshew. I mean he's not going to
blow the doors up anything, but the ideas that he
is serviceable.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Right, you want a guy that you can depend.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
On, if I'm not mistaken, and I think you like
to Broncos historian on the Show of Zach, there was
a time where Gary Kobe I came in for John
Elway and won a game there is right. So you
don't realize how value with that backup quarterback is until
you actually have to plug and play him.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Well, I mean I think everybody really because like I said,
the average NFL team gets five quarters of play out
of a out of a backup quarterback over the course
of a given season, and so you know that that's
a game in a quarter, right, So that that's you
have to have somebody in there capable of spots starting
or doing whatever. And and I guess you know that's
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that's why they've kept Kirk Cousins around. Uh, you know,
as far as that goes, although I don't know that
he's necessarily capable. That the Falcons are four and nine
on the season, Uh, Kirk Cousins has not exactly been
the the bastion of of outstanding play.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Uh they're in in.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Uh, the Broncos have been fortunate and then Bo hasn't
needed anybody to come in. Cousins, for his part, is
basically echoing the stat lines of of Michael pennockx junior
in terms of percentages and per play type type stuff.
This quarterback rating is seventy six point five on the
season that got great. The offense there, revolt goes through
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be Shawn Robinson and and so that that's sort of
the thing at the end of the day. It's it's like,
no matter who you have as a backup your your
your offense revolves around your running back. WI your offensive
coordinator commediately forgets you have from time to time where
he's trying to say, Ben, I'm trying to say, Falcons
fans are tired of Zach Robinson is what I practiced.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Well, Zach Robinson came along with Raheem from the Rams
because they won a piece of that Rams offense, and
we've seen what's a guy once again. These are guys
coming off of the Mike Shanahan.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Tree, right, But the Rams offense and defense continues to
be good while the Falcons offensive defense are charitably not.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Hey man, all it says is that not everyone who
comes from a particular tree can actually implement the things
that they were taught.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
That's that's what it proves.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Or yeah, not everybody that comes not Not all fruit
that comes off the tree is supposed to be eat right,
That's that's how it goes.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Sometimes you can just wipe it off and eat it sometimes, man,
you guys.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Was on it. Just got to let that go on
the ground. You know.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
It's it's in terms of yeah, you're right, you do
need a serviceable backup. But I do think Stidham is
capable of fielding that for for the Broncos. I wouldn't
want him having to start more than that a game.
I'm like, how many games it brought Oswall to come
in and field for Peyton man.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Play four or five, six something like that. I can't
remember exactly how many games it was. I thought it
was more than that. It might have been more than that.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
It might have maybe six to seven. We started that
Chargers game and then he got pulled halfway through. So
how many games?
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Was it total? Five or six? It was seven starts,
eight appearances?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Okay, so the eight would probably be he came in
a relief of one of them and then the other.
The seven starts, but six full games because one of
those starts he gave way to Peyton Manning, so he
came out in relief of Manning, and then he got
relieved by Manning.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
And the reality is there were what six starts in there?
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Yep, five and two in those seven, but then four
and two in the the compert how about that?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
So think about go back to twenty fifteen Super Bowl fifty.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
That was a little bit different because because Oswalder was
drafted to be the air apparent in that in that offense,
was he not?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Stidham is not the air apparent. STI is just a
back up. Okay.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
We're not talking about where a guy was selected by
the team.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
It's the fact that he was a backup Peyton Manning.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Was was in his waning years, and we knew that
rock Ostwalder was drafted to be the air apparent of him,
and then I mean that's a little bit different situation.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
But Stidham was signed kind of as like the emergency
escape patch for the Russell Wilson thing.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
We're taking a flyer.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
You know, yes, he's supposed to be the aspart. It
really worked out that way. But when you think about
the grand scheme of things, ties sed him into what
brock Oswall was able to do. It's the idea is
that can your backup quarterback go in and not just
be serviceable?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Can he go in and make plays and.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
You have confidence And the fact that these two quarterbacks
are obviously equal and the fact that they're both mobile
helps out wish carry this conversation for you know, for
a circle. Jared Stindham probably this week in practice ran
around like Jordan Love because Jordan Love has.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
A similar skill set to one bow Nicks.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
So to help the defense prepare for what Marcus Mariota
and Geno Smith to a certain degree, with Gino dated
them last week getting the ball out quickly right Standham
actually help with that. So if you just have Brett Rippin,
Brett Rippan wouldn't have given you those types of reps
that prepared you for Sunday.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, and it's fair.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I mean, you know you need a guy who could
do that on the scout team, who can emulate those
kinds of things when all said and done. So I'm
I'm with you on that going I think this weekend,
which neither one of these teams have needed the backup
quarterback much. The Packers have used some elite but willis
here or there, but not one of those teams have
needed the backup quarterback too much. Is this Is this
the heavyweight game of the week at Broncos the Packers?
I mean, obviously you got Buffalo New England out there.
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I'm trying to think, is there any other marquee? Maybe
LAKC was probably viewed that way to start the season.
I doubt it's viewed that way now Detroit, LA. Maybe
is there is there any Just one of.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
The marquee matchups of this weekend for me is that
Buffalo New England game.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Because New England is coming off of buy and they're
trying to stay ahead of the Denver Bronco is because
the Broncos have them all over the head to head
as far as.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Beating the Raiders twice, not once, but twice.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
So that game is really really pivotabal could become pivotal
because the Bills are trying to get back into the conversation.
Now I do see the Bills actually getting into the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
They're gonna get into the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
But that game means a lot for the Patriots because
if the Patriots win that game, to me, they tell
the Bills, hey man, you on a row and you
could be that that succeed.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah, and it's and and this is the early game too,
so the Broncos are gonna know the result of that
game before they are before.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
They go play.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
If if Buffalo does win, you have a chance to
go get sole possessorship of first place overall.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
So that'll that'll be interesting.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
LA Kansas City also on the early slate there, And
that's one of those ones where if LA which is
I think that puts the Broncos, I think, and the
Broncos win, I think that's I think that's a clinch.
I'd have to go back and double check, but I
think that's a clinch at that point. Maybe maybe a
win out, lose out scenario or whatever, but we're pretty close.
The magic number is starting to dwindle at that point.
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So some games for uh Broncos fans to keep your
eye on. Both in the early slate, they're both on
CBS Buffalow to England and l a case.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Yeah definitely, because for for Kansas City, after losing to
Houston and just looking just god awful offensively, I mean
for them, they would definitely want to rally against a
Chargers team that just beat Philly, right, a team that
Kansas City themselves didn't beat.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
So this is a huge game for Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
And I don't think the players are going to be
watching those early games. The coaches might, but I know
the fans are going to be paying attention because they're gonna.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Have this game on one of these games or they
or both.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Put those in the locker Yeah you are you know
you No, no, no, you wouldn't have this one in
the locker room with the place can see it.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yeah you would, why absolutely? No, no no, no, you
work both ways. No, because if.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
New England wins, then you gotta say, we gotta win
to keep pace.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
If New England loses, you.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Gotta, guys, we gotta win to take sole possessionship of
first place.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
You absolutely want.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
I don't want to have my players bothered with what's
going on in either of those two games. Would you
you have a game before you and that's the Green
may pay.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
I want you on that, but I'm just on that.
I don't want that plan in the locker room. No,
I'm the way this is okay.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
If this was the final game of the season to
determine who got the number one seed and got to buy,
maybe you show it when the team is coming off
the field that they in a situation.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Where the Patriots play after them.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Maybe before I could, I could spend this one either way.
This is a motivator. Either way is a Patriots lose.
I'm saying, guys, we got a chance to go out
there and get sole possession of first place.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
If the Patriots went, Guys, we gotta win to keep
pace to the.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
You don't need that type of motivation to let you
know you need to go out there and make plays.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
You already know that, well, I know.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I'm just saying I could craft a speech around that, though,
That's what I'm hammering home on the Hey guy, you know,
like I on the last minute out the door, I'm
trying every edge I can get there.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
You're gonna have some betterman stand up like an Ol
Whiston until you turn that ish off. Start turn it off.
We don't need we don't need to see that. All right,
I'm gonna take it back to the office here. You
guys let me know if you want to score, and
they're all.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Gonna be like, okay, we'll let that out here. Everyone.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Come on, man, a football fans at the end of
the day, Yeah, you are football fans.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
But I want to keep the main thing the main thing.
I don't want to be focusing on anything.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Else because the idea is if you handle your business right,
the business handles.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Itself that it does.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Guys, we got Henry Chisholm's gonna join us next hour
from DMVR, get a chance to preview the game this week.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
We call it next because you gotta keep it the
main thing, the main thing.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I was put onto a blurb by an article by
The Ringer, which holds itself out as being a journalistic
institution of about the Broncos game this past week. Which
indicated to me that the person writing the article at
no point even watched the Broncos game. We'll get to that,
and we come back here in Broncos Country, Bucks and
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Falcons off to an inauspicious start. Zero's zero six twenty
two left in the first. Falcons putted back to the Bucks,
and neither team looked particularly good to start being there
opening series there, although the h Bucks do look fresh
in those creamsicle uniforms. Seven tuosa is if I'm the Broncos,
I'm happily giving Tyler Algier three years twenty one million
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this offseason.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
I'm sorry, what? Yeah, I don't that's ridiculous. One of
the Texas came in, well, thank you for listening.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
To the show and sending in that text message, But yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
I'm not doing that one.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Wow, a little rich for me, But I wouldn't mind
seeing Tyler auser come come through here kind of fill
that JK.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Dobbins role in the offense. Now that's too rich. Why
not going draft a young running back? Right?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
More trade on a tire and less money you have
to kind of allocate to that particular player.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Why do that?
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Because what if you end up drafting Audrick estimate. Al's here,
I know comes in immediately compliments R. J. Harvey and
my run game's gonna role. What if I my draft
pick doesn't pay out some you.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Know what, Zach. Sometimes that happens.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Either you find that out in the real world with
NFL gms and head coaches, or you can find that
out in fantasy football. But we're not playing fantasy football
because we're talking about dollars making cent and you have
to make sure that you go out and you address
other things like, well, the Broncos need to draft a
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left guard right would you need to replace Ben Powers?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I mean, that's where you put your emphasis. So I
don't know about a Jiar.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
We'll see and that's one of those things and we'll
get chance to talk about that a little bit later.
That's one of those things like I, I mean, are
you bringing Dobins back?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
What do you do with that money? So that you
know we'll have to You're gonna have to have some
kind of compliment to our J. Harvey.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
But at the same time, I'm not sitting there. I
don't know that I'm tying that much money up in
a running back.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
It's rich, it's rich in this I'm opposed to. I'm
not opposed to the player.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
It's the contract there that this might be the Rinder,
which is ostensibly a pretty good journalistic.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
NFL website.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
They as you give that disclaimer. They pride themselves on,
you know, high quality content. It's the Bill Simmons, you know,
deal they long form they do. You know, this isn't
clickbait Central or whatever. At least it hasn't been had
some article come out. I guess over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
I didn't see this thing until earlier today when somebody
you guys sent me the screenshot.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Weekly power ranking.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Include to ignore and anybody's weekly power ranking needs to
put it, you know, is to sit there and flush
it right out, because power rankings are objectively worthless somebody's
opinion on where people rank anyway. So whoever this writer
is said, and this is the quote here, I don't
think it's unreasonable for anyone to think that a punt
return touchdown should be what separates the AFC West leading
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Broncos and the Raiders. As was the case on Sunday,
Denver's offense was I'm quoting here disgusting again against one
of the league's worst units, and quarterback bon Nix now
has a passer rating of eighty two since Week ten,
which ranks well, I don't know what that has doue
with this past week, but anyway, which ranks twentieth in
that span.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Nicks and his pultry passing game will face.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Off against the Packers, Jags, Chiefs, and Charges the next month,
and I'm starting to think the bottom unth might fall
out of this offense by early January. Well, there are
some things here, like maybe, I mean, you know you've
got a tough stretch coming up. Those those things are true.
But to call that game disgusting and to say that
it was a paltry passing attack and whatever else, this
guy clearly didn't watch that game. I mean clearly didn't
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watch that game. He's looking at the box score and
regurgitating statistics here. The Broncos ran to football. They ran
it effectively. It was one of the better passing attack
days that they've had in terms of efficiency. I don't
even know where this comes from. After reading this, I'm like,
this guy very clearly did not watch the game. I
didn't watch it and type that out.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Hey, when you first started reading that I thought when
you use disgusting, that was a play on words like sick, right,
Like that was disgusting, that was filthy, Yeah, y yes,
nasty right, all words don't point to anything positive. But
as you got to the back half of it, I
was like, oh, okay, it was it was wild and
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and and okay, here's what I said. Because Grant was
telling me this all week because he wanted to use
the word dominate. It was a dominating performance, I say, well, well,
I don't see it as a dominating performance. Was it
one of the offenses more efficient games of the season.
I'm glad that's why you use that word when you
were talking about it. It was a very efficient operation
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and we hadn't seen that type of operations from the
Broncos all season long.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah, this was This is just weird.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
But I don't know why the week ten passer rating
order he had a ninety passer rating in this game,
which is ten points above the average that he quoted.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
This didn't bring the average down, it brought it up.
You know, you look at this. He was thirty one
and thirty eight for two hundred and twelve yards. He
didn't have any turnovers. He did take three sacks, people
who lost eight yards out of those sacks. This is
it's just silly, like you did not watch the game.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
You decided to write a column and an actually respected
uh ostensibly outlet, and you turned around and and wrote
this column and you didn't watch the game, like you
didn't watch it.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
If this is you have, there's two options here.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
You either don't understand football at a fundamental level or
you didn't watch the game. And I'm trying to give
the benefit of the doubt that this guy understands the game.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Of football at aed a I play Madden level.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
And it's just also so clear that the difference in
the game wasn't the Marvin Nim's putt return touchdown.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
I mean, yes, technically, even the game was score, that
wasn't the different They had the field goal that they
got in the last second kicked the field goal was
a ten point game.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Outside of the guard time field goals.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
These were ten points in the last two and a
half minutes, and it was all garbage time, like that
game was well out of reach at that point.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
It was clear they weren't coming back. And then they
put some lipstick on the pig.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
It wasn't like, without that Marvin Min's putt return touchdown,
the Broncos lose that game to the Raiders. And even
if you want to just box score a scout and
look at this thing, like the Broncos were had a
pretty darn good offensive day. They had five meaningful offensive drives.
They scored seventeen points. That's three point four points per drive.
The Colts lead the league right now with two point
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nine to nine.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
So you guys were a little upset that Pete Carro
decided to kick the field goal.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
I don't care. I'm all I would have kicked the
field Ryan Bryan was super upset about it. I'm like,
what do you not kick the field goal? I like,
what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (24:43):
What do you do?
Speaker 2 (24:43):
You kicked the field goal there, that's what you do. Like,
I didn't care, It's what I would have done.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
And I told people who were betting it game by
a down a six and a half, because you know,
you don't.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Want to be on the other side of the touchdown
of this what's a division game.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
But it regardless of all that, Like this person and
you know, I come to find out this person is
a guy who blocks me on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
A few years ago despite no interaction. This is your phone. No,
I didn't. I don't know guy.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I've never had any I've never had any interactions with
him on Twitter. He's just somebody who blocked me on Twitter,
you know, years ago or whatever for whatever reason.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
And we had Brian and I had him on the
show a few years ago back in the day. I
don't know, like I didn't know who that's who it.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Was when I when I originally was, but now it
now I do, and and this is just weird, Like
it's just such a weird thing to do. I don't
know if this dude was too busy and just mailed
that part of his column in or something, but you, like,
like writing that out, you very clearly did not watch
that game.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
You didn't.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
You just didn't.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
And I don't know why, because a guy apparently got
on there and he's been chatting with some Broncos fans
or whatever, and it was flat outline about having watched
the game.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
You did not watch that game.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Yeah, fans that called him out for his response, I
believe was we can all have different opinions about the game,
we can all come to different conclusions or whatever. But
when he would be pressed for follow up about Okay,
that's fine. We can't have a difference of opinion. How
did you come true your opinion? Why do you think
this was a discussing offensive performance? You wouldn't really elaborate,
which I think kind of tell everybody that you just
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do not watch this game.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Uh, you know what, I think we still can agree now.
I don't know about you, guys. I'm glad the Broncos won.
I'm glad that we saw more efficiency from the run game,
even though albeit against the Raiders.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
It was a boost of confidence in the play calling
and I.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Would dare to say for the players and the guy
like RG Harvey being able to be as efficient as
as he was, and that's the operative word for me,
being efficient. But on Sunday the level of operation is
going to have to be a lot different. I'm sure
that you guys would agree with me on that. If
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you have difference of opinion, please let me know. Well,
you're not playing against the Raiders. You're playing against a
very talent a Green Bay Packers team on both sides.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
So you have to bring your a game.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Because I look at the game against the Raiders and
I'll say well, that was the A game. They're the
planning against the Raiders, So let me reach let me
fix what I was saying. They're gonna need a A
plus plus game against the Green Bay PA.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
You got they're a good team. You gonna have to bring.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
You You're gonna have to bring with what you got
to eat your best against them. And even then that
may you know they're they're a good football team. We'll see,
uh ultimately how that goes at the end of the day.
But I just I had to bring that. I hate
I'm not the guy. I hate power rankings. I hate
paying attention to national coverage because there's a bunch of
dorks who don't know what they're talking about. It's all
service level stuff because nobody has the time to sit
there and watch all thirty two teams and crack and
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crack the tape on all thirty You just don't have
the time.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Like, you don't have the time to do that. And
unless you're living in your mom's basement.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Even then it's like, you know, like like even if
that's all you got, like you don't you just don't
have time to crack.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
I mean, that's that's sixteen games a week Man. Well,
we love mom, let me love you just don't have
time to do all that kind of it. So that's
the thing.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
I mean, I just like, who I get it, But
when you got called out on that, you know, you
can't use emphatic language like that and and purport to
be And this guy, this guy played college ball at
Sacramento State, right, like, he's at least played the ball
to the collegiate level.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
You know, he was a linebacker a Sacramento State. And
that means what Ben, You at least got to the
collegiate level playing ball. You gotta know, you gotta you
gotta know better than.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Well, hold on, now, you can't really say that. That's
a disclaimer you gotta put in fine print.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Apparently I don't know sex proud of himself. Hey god,
I got Nick drumming along.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
You know, drumming and humming along there. Yeah, you know
what it's seeing enough.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
When I first came into the studio today, I was
listening to a song called Blue Sky, and obviously it
was Commons take on Blue He just kind of took
some of.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
The samples and threw it in the track. So I mean, hey,
right there is the suddenly going on. I don't know
what's going on. Tipus, Yes, let's keep it going.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
I yeah, I was just like I was just do
a little toe tapping, and I was like, Okay, everybody's
I guess I just feeling this.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
We're just still Were you not feeling that? I mean
I was feeling it. I was toe tapping. You can't
really see me, tota no no, no, no, no, see
you toad tapping. I was drubbing. Yeah, you were. You
had a full on drum kit. Ricks would have been proud.
Of course. A couple other things here real quick. I
don't care.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
You know, Ryan's one of the people cares about this stuff,
like the national recognition on the Broncos. A lot of
people are down on the Broncos saying, you know, the
worst of eleven and two all that.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Kind of stuff. I don't care.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Like, at the end of the day, we're either gonna
win it or not, and it doesn't matter what some
screaming talking head on TV says, or some dork with
a microphone like he says, it doesn't matter like they're
gonna wait they can not.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
But is is there something to getting national recognition? Because
I'd rather be slept on.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Rather all of them keep making themselves like idiots week
after week talk about the Broncos is gonna.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Lose and then they don't.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
From a players standpoint, no, you really don't care, right,
because it's cliche. You go out there and you play
who you have to play, and the ideas that you're
going to kick the you know, Darierva whomever is across
from you. But that's for everyone in the media to
have those conversations, because every single week there there is
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a power ranking, no, no different than the college football playoffs, right,
and they come out every week because it's intriguing, It
keeps people glued to the game. It gives so many
people things to talk about, well, this team did this,
this team didn't do that because the Patriots they were idle,
and I think on ESPN's power ranking they still put
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them over the Denver Broncos. But I mean, that's that's
a conversation for radio. But the players and the coaches,
they don't really think about it, but you can if
you so chose to. How's it as material to motivate
your players?
Speaker 2 (31:04):
I just I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
I just for me, I've always had this same litmus
test for everything, and that he's I do I need
this person's approval? And if I don't need their approval,
then why do I care what their opinion is?
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Well?
Speaker 2 (31:18):
See, that's the Benjamin all Right motto.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
I don't yeah, and I have that light philosophy. I
probably got a tattoo somewhere in your body. Do I
care about this person's approval or disapproval? And if I don't,
and why the bleep do I care what they think about?
You know, a power rank in our team?
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Like, why do I care? Like I don't? Steven A.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Smith's personal opinion of me does not matter to me,
So why do I care what his ranking of the
Broncos or or anyone else is?
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Because it's it's conversation, it's water cooler material, so people
can sit and debate whether someone was right or wrong
or why is not my team?
Speaker 2 (31:52):
That's something for fans.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Well, I mean that's I get that from a content
creation standpoint, But at the end of the day, I'm saying, like,
I can't stop people from creating certain content. What I
can't do is control my own. You know, you don't
have to watch it. I don't watch it deliberately don't
watch it. I don't watch this stuff. I don't read
this stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
And then I get this, you know, I get that
this screenshot said to me, and I'm like, this is
what we're doing.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
This is what passes for content. Somebody paid that guy
to write that. Someone paid them, and that's why he
wrote it, because it's a conversation, a piece. The sensibly
someone paid him to watch the game, well he could
write it.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
And that's where I'm going with that.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
It's like they had to watch the game and he
didn't do it. He abdicated that in favor of reading
a box score, which I don't even think reading the
box score comes away as le Broncos.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Look, you should have came down to the burndown with
us and watched it. I'm just saying you want to.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
I'll give you a pativitation out there, Deontay Lee. You
want to come out there, and you know you want
to come out there and watch much. I'm happy to
sit down and watch a football game with you and
and explain the basic fundamentals of a game that you
very clearly either don't grasp or we're mailing it at all.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Here's an a gap, right, here's a B gap. Here's
first is in Benjamin see as in see that gap
right that the host can rocks. Cut your head back
for this
Zero with him five six six nine zero is the
text line.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's Thursday night football.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
We got the uh have a Buccaneers take it on
the Atlanta Falcons here just a little bit, and uh,
Nick the boxs has been playing pretty terrible football lately.
I normally you would look at this and say they
should win because Atlanta has been playing terrible. But they've
both been playing terrible football lately. And I think you
and I are both on the over. But I think
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the Falcons can cover this.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
You really think so? I do?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Well, Drake London isn't playing in this game, and I
don't know what the would they announced as far as
Kyle Pitts, because he was another guy for the Falcons
offensively who was said to maybe not be playing tonight.
So if those two guys are not playing, that's going
to put a lot of pressure on Kirk Cousin and Vijeon.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Say doesn't that force you to start using Vijeon Robinson,
something they studiously avoid the way we avoid using Marvin Mims.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Well, yes, you use Bijon even more.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
But if you're Todd Bow's that takes two offensive weapons
off the chess table, and you say, you know what
We're gonna put nine men in the box and we're
gonna eliminate you as far as being able to get
your run game going. Now, bijon Is will get his yards,
but will he go over I don't know, one hundred.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yards, I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
So look, this is wild because Kirk Cousins, who would
have thought that he would have had another opportunity to
kind of get back into the mix and play ball.
But this is why I've said it, now've said again.
Having a backup quarterback is so important and you don't
realize until you really need one. That's why when you
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think about the Bronco situation with bow Nicks, they're solidified there,
But when it comes to having a backup quarterback, you're
solidified there or to do as well. So if anything
were to happen to Bowl he stubbed his toe and
he needed a game there to recover. You insert Jared
Stidham and the offense will work like butter.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Well, you'll you would hope, you hope, no, no, no, it would.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
So you have doubts that that Stidham would be able
to come in and move his offense down the field.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I watched him not move the offense down the fields.
When Russell Wilson was benched.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
That was a that was then been move move right along,
pick up your blocks and move forward. But we've seen
Stidham operate this offense with Davis Webb. I believe it
was calling the plays in the preseason against Arizona and
the offense looked great Withstinham.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Well, let me go the other direction with this thing.
If Stidham is all that in the bag of chips
to even Ebotix, hell yeah, we're talking about No.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Hey man, we are not the Cleveland Browns. I'm just no, no, no,
we have to keep it clean. You have you quarterback
for now, and do you have the for now breaking
case of emergency if something happens.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Just think about the cult situation, right, They didn't have that.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
They had to go get a retired forty four year
old quarterback.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Right who's been retired for a couple of years.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
No truth to the rumber by the way floating around
on Twitter that they changed to team dinners to three
PM at the Bob Evans to accommodate his advanced years discount.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, on the selicurper discount.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
No, but but that's what it is like so many
teams out there, they don't have adequate backup quarterback play.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Right, and you're gonna need one at some point during
the season.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Most teams require a backup quarterback just to play at
least five quarters of football for them at the course
of the season.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
That's the average.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
If Josh Allen gets injured, the Bills are done. And
we saw what happened with the Cincinnati Bengals. They had
to go trade for another team's quarterback within a division.
And you know, Joy Butterfly go did a decent job.
It's aid Joe Burrow return. He did, yes, but what
are we doing?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
What are you doing employing Jake Browning if you don't
believe he can be the guy if Joe Burrow, who
has a history of injury by the way, goes down.
They had four quarterbacks on that roster and they were like,
all these guys actually suck. We're gonna go trade for
the ghost of Joe Flacco because.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
They were dealing with what they had to deal with
at that moment. And oh, by the way, we are
in fact talking about Cinnati Bengals, right, well, why.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Would you employ at the time, I think they had
Brett Rippon and Mike White and Jake Browning.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
They felt that Browning gave them the best opportunity if
something were to happen to Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
But did they not give him practice snaps? Did they
not see what he was going to do in a game.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
But they were thinking, Okay, well, what are the chances
that Joe Burrow would get injury?
Speaker 2 (04:53):
And if he did pretty high?
Speaker 3 (04:57):
But was talking about an organization who doesn't really think
that logically. The Broncos, on the other hand, they've seen
this movie, right and they wanted to be prepared. That's
why Stidham when he decided he was going to come
back and signed with the Broncos. Why is decision for him?
I think his contract. I think he's making maybe six
eight million dollars to be both back up.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Who wouldn't take that?
Speaker 1 (05:20):
I mean, I'm not hating on him for secure of
the pag I'm just like, I'm looking at this like,
do you feel confident that he can win you football games?
And if you do feel confident that he can win
your football games?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Then then what no?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
No, no, no, no no man. And answer to the
question is yes, because when what didn't play well. In
the preseason game against Arizona, Twitter went a blaze as
people suggesting what you are suggesting, not actually suggesting that. Right,
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So it's do I have confidence that still Don't would
be able to come in and lead this team? Absolutely
because Stidham were therefore had the Broncos defense was goo
to help him out.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
And I think he's still a very serviceable backup.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
He's very service I think he's okay, but he's okay
back I'm playing the Devil's advocate, just to play the
devil's advocate. But you know, as far as the Kirk
Cousins aspect of it goes, like, I think that whole
offense has looked bad.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
It's not just Kirk Cousins looking washed.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Michael Pennis didn't look good in it previous you know
when he was in there either, And there has been
a groundswell of Falcons fans looking to move on from
that coaching staff after a season and a half because
the offense looks that bad.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
See, Okay, it's the teams and fans they have to
be careful, right because everyone wants to win, right, Everyone
wants to win, but we all know not everyone's going
to win some people are gonna take l's and you
watch other teams, like I'm sure the Falcons fans are
watching the Buccaneers kind of play the way they're playing.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
And more importantly will.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Put pressure on Rightie Moore and his coaching staff, Morris
and his coaching staff. Is the fact that Dave Knelis
and the Carolina Panthers are playing good football as well,
or people thought that Bryce Young wasn't an NFL quarterback.
So those are the things that put pressure on you.
But the Falcons have to realize that they're nowhere near
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being able to compete with other teams outside the NFC South.
That's the realism that some fan bases have to realize.
You get jealous watching other teams. I mean, come on,
see you just come on jump in on this. I mean,
as a Broncos fan, how jealous were you of Kansas
City winning so many playoff games?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Were you not jealous? I was extremely jealous.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
I had a good friend in college who was a
Chiefs fan, but kind of a more casual sports fan,
and I had to sit down conversation with them and
I was like, you need to appreciate this because I can't.
And this is going to be like maybe the greatest
dnisty ever.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
So you better lock in and started joined some Chiefs games.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
What do we see me and what are we're seeing?
What's happening with the Chiefs right now?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Erosion? That's right, everything gets some point. Pray he doesn't
get ahead coaching job to be bad.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
So so so once again it happens to everyone. But
you want to make sure you prepare even the Chiefs. Right,
they have Gardner Minshew. I mean he's not going to
blow the doors up anything, but the ideas that he
is serviceable.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Right, you want a guy that you can depend.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
On, if I'm not mistaken, and I think you like
to Broncos historian on the Show of Zach, there was
a time where Gary Kobe I came in for John
Elway and won a game there is right. So you
don't realize how value with that backup quarterback is until
you actually have to plug and play him.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Well, I mean I think everybody really because like I said,
the average NFL team gets five quarters of play out
of a out of a backup quarterback over the course
of a given season, and so you know that that's
a game in a quarter, right, So that that's you
have to have somebody in there capable of spots starting
or doing whatever. And and I guess you know that's
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that's why they've kept Kirk Cousins around. Uh, you know,
as far as that goes, although I don't know that
he's necessarily capable. That the Falcons are four and nine
on the season, Uh, Kirk Cousins has not exactly been
the the bastion of of outstanding play.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Uh they're in in.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Uh, the Broncos have been fortunate and then Bo hasn't
needed anybody to come in. Cousins, for his part, is
basically echoing the stat lines of of Michael pennockx junior
in terms of percentages and per play type type stuff.
This quarterback rating is seventy six point five on the
season that got great. The offense there, revolt goes through
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be Shawn Robinson and and so that that's sort of
the thing at the end of the day. It's it's like,
no matter who you have as a backup your your
your offense revolves around your running back. WI your offensive
coordinator commediately forgets you have from time to time where
he's trying to say, Ben, I'm trying to say, Falcons
fans are tired of Zach Robinson is what I practiced.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Well, Zach Robinson came along with Raheem from the Rams
because they won a piece of that Rams offense, and
we've seen what's a guy once again. These are guys
coming off of the Mike Shanahan.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Tree, right, But the Rams offense and defense continues to
be good while the Falcons offensive defense are charitably not.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Hey man, all it says is that not everyone who
comes from a particular tree can actually implement the things
that they were taught.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
That's that's what it proves.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Or yeah, not everybody that comes not Not all fruit
that comes off the tree is supposed to be eat right,
That's that's how it goes.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Sometimes you can just wipe it off and eat it sometimes, man,
you guys.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Was on it. Just got to let that go on
the ground. You know.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
It's it's in terms of yeah, you're right, you do
need a serviceable backup. But I do think Stidham is
capable of fielding that for for the Broncos. I wouldn't
want him having to start more than that a game.
I'm like, how many games it brought Oswall to come
in and field for Peyton man.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Play four or five, six something like that. I can't
remember exactly how many games it was. I thought it
was more than that. It might have been more than that.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
It might have maybe six to seven. We started that
Chargers game and then he got pulled halfway through. So
how many games?
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Was it total? Five or six? It was seven starts,
eight appearances?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Okay, so the eight would probably be he came in
a relief of one of them and then the other.
The seven starts, but six full games because one of
those starts he gave way to Peyton Manning, so he
came out in relief of Manning, and then he got
relieved by Manning.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
And the reality is there were what six starts in there?
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Yep, five and two in those seven, but then four
and two in the the compert how about that?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
So think about go back to twenty fifteen Super Bowl fifty.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
That was a little bit different because because Oswalder was
drafted to be the air apparent in that in that offense,
was he not?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Stidham is not the air apparent. STI is just a
back up. Okay.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
We're not talking about where a guy was selected by
the team.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
It's the fact that he was a backup Peyton Manning.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Was was in his waning years, and we knew that
rock Ostwalder was drafted to be the air apparent of him,
and then I mean that's a little bit different situation.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
But Stidham was signed kind of as like the emergency
escape patch for the Russell Wilson thing.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
We're taking a flyer.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
You know, yes, he's supposed to be the aspart. It
really worked out that way. But when you think about
the grand scheme of things, ties sed him into what
brock Oswall was able to do. It's the idea is
that can your backup quarterback go in and not just
be serviceable?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Can he go in and make plays and.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
You have confidence And the fact that these two quarterbacks
are obviously equal and the fact that they're both mobile
helps out wish carry this conversation for you know, for
a circle. Jared Stindham probably this week in practice ran
around like Jordan Love because Jordan Love has.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
A similar skill set to one bow Nicks.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
So to help the defense prepare for what Marcus Mariota
and Geno Smith to a certain degree, with Gino dated
them last week getting the ball out quickly right Standham
actually help with that. So if you just have Brett Rippin,
Brett Rippan wouldn't have given you those types of reps
that prepared you for Sunday.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, and it's fair.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I mean, you know you need a guy who could
do that on the scout team, who can emulate those
kinds of things when all said and done. So I'm
I'm with you on that going I think this weekend,
which neither one of these teams have needed the backup
quarterback much. The Packers have used some elite but willis
here or there, but not one of those teams have
needed the backup quarterback too much. Is this Is this
the heavyweight game of the week at Broncos the Packers?
I mean, obviously you got Buffalo New England out there.
(13:42):
I'm trying to think, is there any other marquee? Maybe
LAKC was probably viewed that way to start the season.
I doubt it's viewed that way now Detroit, LA. Maybe
is there is there any Just one of.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
The marquee matchups of this weekend for me is that
Buffalo New England game.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Because New England is coming off of buy and they're
trying to stay ahead of the Denver Bronco is because
the Broncos have them all over the head to head
as far as.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Beating the Raiders twice, not once, but twice.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
So that game is really really pivotabal could become pivotal
because the Bills are trying to get back into the conversation.
Now I do see the Bills actually getting into the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
They're gonna get into the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
But that game means a lot for the Patriots because
if the Patriots win that game, to me, they tell
the Bills, hey man, you on a row and you
could be that that succeed.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah, and it's and and this is the early game too,
so the Broncos are gonna know the result of that
game before they are before.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
They go play.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
If if Buffalo does win, you have a chance to
go get sole possessorship of first place overall.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
So that'll that'll be interesting.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
LA Kansas City also on the early slate there, And
that's one of those ones where if LA which is
I think that puts the Broncos, I think, and the
Broncos win, I think that's I think that's a clinch.
I'd have to go back and double check, but I
think that's a clinch at that point. Maybe maybe a
win out, lose out scenario or whatever, but we're pretty close.
The magic number is starting to dwindle at that point.
(15:14):
So some games for uh Broncos fans to keep your
eye on. Both in the early slate, they're both on
CBS Buffalow to England and l a case.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Yeah definitely, because for for Kansas City, after losing to
Houston and just looking just god awful offensively, I mean
for them, they would definitely want to rally against a
Chargers team that just beat Philly, right, a team that
Kansas City themselves didn't beat.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
So this is a huge game for Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
And I don't think the players are going to be
watching those early games. The coaches might, but I know
the fans are going to be paying attention because they're gonna.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Have this game on one of these games or they
or both.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Put those in the locker Yeah you are you know
you No, no, no, you wouldn't have this one in
the locker room with the place can see it.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yeah you would, why absolutely? No, no no, no, you
work both ways. No, because if.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
New England wins, then you gotta say, we gotta win
to keep pace.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
If New England loses, you.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Gotta, guys, we gotta win to take sole possessionship of
first place.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
You absolutely want.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
I don't want to have my players bothered with what's
going on in either of those two games. Would you
you have a game before you and that's the Green
may pay.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
I want you on that, but I'm just on that.
I don't want that plan in the locker room. No,
I'm the way this is okay.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
If this was the final game of the season to
determine who got the number one seed and got to buy,
maybe you show it when the team is coming off
the field that they in a situation.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Where the Patriots play after them.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Maybe before I could, I could spend this one either way.
This is a motivator. Either way is a Patriots lose.
I'm saying, guys, we got a chance to go out
there and get sole possession of first place.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
If the Patriots went, Guys, we gotta win to keep
pace to the.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
You don't need that type of motivation to let you
know you need to go out there and make plays.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
You already know that, well, I know.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I'm just saying I could craft a speech around that, though,
That's what I'm hammering home on the Hey guy, you know,
like I on the last minute out the door, I'm
trying every edge I can get there.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
You're gonna have some betterman stand up like an Ol
Whiston until you turn that ish off. Start turn it off.
We don't need we don't need to see that. All right,
I'm gonna take it back to the office here. You
guys let me know if you want to score, and
they're all.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Gonna be like, okay, we'll let that out here. Everyone.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Come on, man, a football fans at the end of
the day, Yeah, you are football fans.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
But I want to keep the main thing the main thing.
I don't want to be focusing on anything.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Else because the idea is if you handle your business right,
the business handles.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Itself that it does.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Guys, we got Henry Chisholm's gonna join us next hour
from DMVR, get a chance to preview the game this week.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
We call it next because you gotta keep it the
main thing, the main thing.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I was put onto a blurb by an article by
The Ringer, which holds itself out as being a journalistic
institution of about the Broncos game this past week. Which
indicated to me that the person writing the article at
no point even watched the Broncos game. We'll get to that,
and we come back here in Broncos Country, Bucks and
(18:15):
Falcons off to an inauspicious start. Zero's zero six twenty
two left in the first. Falcons putted back to the Bucks,
and neither team looked particularly good to start being there
opening series there, although the h Bucks do look fresh
in those creamsicle uniforms. Seven tuosa is if I'm the Broncos,
I'm happily giving Tyler Algier three years twenty one million
(18:36):
this offseason.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
I'm sorry, what? Yeah, I don't that's ridiculous. One of
the Texas came in, well, thank you for listening.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
To the show and sending in that text message, But yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
I'm not doing that one.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Wow, a little rich for me, But I wouldn't mind
seeing Tyler auser come come through here kind of fill
that JK.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Dobbins role in the offense. Now that's too rich. Why
not going draft a young running back? Right?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
More trade on a tire and less money you have
to kind of allocate to that particular player.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Why do that?
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Because what if you end up drafting Audrick estimate. Al's here,
I know comes in immediately compliments R. J. Harvey and
my run game's gonna role. What if I my draft
pick doesn't pay out some you.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Know what, Zach. Sometimes that happens.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Either you find that out in the real world with
NFL gms and head coaches, or you can find that
out in fantasy football. But we're not playing fantasy football
because we're talking about dollars making cent and you have
to make sure that you go out and you address
other things like, well, the Broncos need to draft a
(19:44):
left guard right would you need to replace Ben Powers?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I mean, that's where you put your emphasis. So I
don't know about a Jiar.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
We'll see and that's one of those things and we'll
get chance to talk about that a little bit later.
That's one of those things like I, I mean, are
you bringing Dobins back?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
What do you do with that money? So that you
know we'll have to You're gonna have to have some
kind of compliment to our J. Harvey.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
But at the same time, I'm not sitting there. I
don't know that I'm tying that much money up in
a running back.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
It's rich, it's rich in this I'm opposed to. I'm
not opposed to the player.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
It's the contract there that this might be the Rinder,
which is ostensibly a pretty good journalistic.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
NFL website.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
They as you give that disclaimer. They pride themselves on,
you know, high quality content. It's the Bill Simmons, you know,
deal they long form they do. You know, this isn't
clickbait Central or whatever. At least it hasn't been had
some article come out. I guess over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
I didn't see this thing until earlier today when somebody
you guys sent me the screenshot.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Weekly power ranking.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Include to ignore and anybody's weekly power ranking needs to
put it, you know, is to sit there and flush
it right out, because power rankings are objectively worthless somebody's
opinion on where people rank anyway. So whoever this writer
is said, and this is the quote here, I don't
think it's unreasonable for anyone to think that a punt
return touchdown should be what separates the AFC West leading
(21:08):
Broncos and the Raiders. As was the case on Sunday,
Denver's offense was I'm quoting here disgusting again against one
of the league's worst units, and quarterback bon Nix now
has a passer rating of eighty two since Week ten,
which ranks well, I don't know what that has doue
with this past week, but anyway, which ranks twentieth in
that span.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Nicks and his pultry passing game will face.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Off against the Packers, Jags, Chiefs, and Charges the next month,
and I'm starting to think the bottom unth might fall
out of this offense by early January. Well, there are
some things here, like maybe, I mean, you know you've
got a tough stretch coming up. Those those things are true.
But to call that game disgusting and to say that
it was a paltry passing attack and whatever else, this
guy clearly didn't watch that game. I mean clearly didn't
(21:47):
watch that game. He's looking at the box score and
regurgitating statistics here. The Broncos ran to football. They ran
it effectively. It was one of the better passing attack
days that they've had in terms of efficiency. I don't
even know where this comes from. After reading this, I'm like,
this guy very clearly did not watch the game. I
didn't watch it and type that out.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Hey, when you first started reading that I thought when
you use disgusting, that was a play on words like sick, right,
Like that was disgusting, that was filthy, Yeah, y yes,
nasty right, all words don't point to anything positive. But
as you got to the back half of it, I
was like, oh, okay, it was it was wild and
(22:31):
and and okay, here's what I said. Because Grant was
telling me this all week because he wanted to use
the word dominate. It was a dominating performance, I say, well, well,
I don't see it as a dominating performance. Was it
one of the offenses more efficient games of the season.
I'm glad that's why you use that word when you
were talking about it. It was a very efficient operation
(22:54):
and we hadn't seen that type of operations from the
Broncos all season long.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah, this was This is just weird.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
But I don't know why the week ten passer rating
order he had a ninety passer rating in this game,
which is ten points above the average that he quoted.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
This didn't bring the average down, it brought it up.
You know, you look at this. He was thirty one
and thirty eight for two hundred and twelve yards. He
didn't have any turnovers. He did take three sacks, people
who lost eight yards out of those sacks. This is
it's just silly, like you did not watch the game.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
You decided to write a column and an actually respected
uh ostensibly outlet, and you turned around and and wrote
this column and you didn't watch the game, like you
didn't watch it.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
If this is you have, there's two options here.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
You either don't understand football at a fundamental level or
you didn't watch the game. And I'm trying to give
the benefit of the doubt that this guy understands the game.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Of football at aed a I play Madden level.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
And it's just also so clear that the difference in
the game wasn't the Marvin Nim's putt return touchdown.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
I mean, yes, technically, even the game was score, that
wasn't the different They had the field goal that they
got in the last second kicked the field goal was
a ten point game.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Outside of the guard time field goals.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
These were ten points in the last two and a
half minutes, and it was all garbage time, like that
game was well out of reach at that point.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
It was clear they weren't coming back. And then they
put some lipstick on the pig.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
It wasn't like, without that Marvin Min's putt return touchdown,
the Broncos lose that game to the Raiders. And even
if you want to just box score a scout and
look at this thing, like the Broncos were had a
pretty darn good offensive day. They had five meaningful offensive drives.
They scored seventeen points. That's three point four points per drive.
The Colts lead the league right now with two point
(24:31):
nine to nine.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
So you guys were a little upset that Pete Carro
decided to kick the field goal.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
I don't care. I'm all I would have kicked the
field Ryan Bryan was super upset about it. I'm like,
what do you not kick the field goal? I like,
what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (24:43):
What do you do?
Speaker 2 (24:43):
You kicked the field goal there, that's what you do. Like,
I didn't care, It's what I would have done.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
And I told people who were betting it game by
a down a six and a half, because you know,
you don't.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Want to be on the other side of the touchdown
of this what's a division game.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
But it regardless of all that, Like this person and
you know, I come to find out this person is
a guy who blocks me on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
A few years ago despite no interaction. This is your phone. No,
I didn't. I don't know guy.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I've never had any I've never had any interactions with
him on Twitter. He's just somebody who blocked me on Twitter,
you know, years ago or whatever for whatever reason.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
And we had Brian and I had him on the
show a few years ago back in the day. I
don't know, like I didn't know who that's who it.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Was when I when I originally was, but now it
now I do, and and this is just weird, Like
it's just such a weird thing to do. I don't
know if this dude was too busy and just mailed
that part of his column in or something, but you, like,
like writing that out, you very clearly did not watch
that game.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
You didn't.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
You just didn't.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
And I don't know why, because a guy apparently got
on there and he's been chatting with some Broncos fans
or whatever, and it was flat outline about having watched
the game.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
You did not watch that game.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Yeah, fans that called him out for his response, I
believe was we can all have different opinions about the game,
we can all come to different conclusions or whatever. But
when he would be pressed for follow up about Okay,
that's fine. We can't have a difference of opinion. How
did you come true your opinion? Why do you think
this was a discussing offensive performance? You wouldn't really elaborate,
which I think kind of tell everybody that you just
(26:12):
do not watch this game.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Uh, you know what, I think we still can agree now.
I don't know about you, guys. I'm glad the Broncos won.
I'm glad that we saw more efficiency from the run game,
even though albeit against the Raiders.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
It was a boost of confidence in the play calling
and I.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Would dare to say for the players and the guy
like RG Harvey being able to be as efficient as
as he was, and that's the operative word for me,
being efficient. But on Sunday the level of operation is
going to have to be a lot different. I'm sure
that you guys would agree with me on that. If
(26:53):
you have difference of opinion, please let me know. Well,
you're not playing against the Raiders. You're playing against a
very talent a Green Bay Packers team on both sides.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
So you have to bring your a game.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Because I look at the game against the Raiders and
I'll say well, that was the A game. They're the
planning against the Raiders, So let me reach let me
fix what I was saying. They're gonna need a A
plus plus game against the Green Bay PA.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
You got they're a good team. You gonna have to bring.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
You You're gonna have to bring with what you got
to eat your best against them. And even then that
may you know they're they're a good football team. We'll see,
uh ultimately how that goes at the end of the day.
But I just I had to bring that. I hate
I'm not the guy. I hate power rankings. I hate
paying attention to national coverage because there's a bunch of
dorks who don't know what they're talking about. It's all
service level stuff because nobody has the time to sit
there and watch all thirty two teams and crack and
(27:43):
crack the tape on all thirty You just don't have
the time.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Like, you don't have the time to do that. And
unless you're living in your mom's basement.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Even then it's like, you know, like like even if
that's all you got, like you don't you just don't
have time to crack.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
I mean, that's that's sixteen games a week Man. Well,
we love mom, let me love you just don't have
time to do all that kind of it. So that's
the thing.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
I mean, I just like, who I get it, But
when you got called out on that, you know, you
can't use emphatic language like that and and purport to
be And this guy, this guy played college ball at
Sacramento State, right, like, he's at least played the ball
to the collegiate level.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
You know, he was a linebacker a Sacramento State. And
that means what Ben, You at least got to the
collegiate level playing ball. You gotta know, you gotta you
gotta know better than.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Well, hold on, now, you can't really say that. That's
a disclaimer you gotta put in fine print.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Apparently I don't know sex proud of himself. Hey god,
I got Nick drumming along.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
You know, drumming and humming along there. Yeah, you know
what it's seeing enough.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
When I first came into the studio today, I was
listening to a song called Blue Sky, and obviously it
was Commons take on Blue He just kind of took
some of.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
The samples and threw it in the track. So I mean, hey,
right there is the suddenly going on. I don't know
what's going on. Tipus, Yes, let's keep it going.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
I yeah, I was just like I was just do
a little toe tapping, and I was like, Okay, everybody's
I guess I just feeling this.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
We're just still Were you not feeling that? I mean
I was feeling it. I was toe tapping. You can't
really see me, tota no no, no, no, no, see
you toad tapping. I was drubbing. Yeah, you were. You
had a full on drum kit. Ricks would have been proud.
Of course. A couple other things here real quick. I
don't care.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
You know, Ryan's one of the people cares about this stuff,
like the national recognition on the Broncos. A lot of
people are down on the Broncos saying, you know, the
worst of eleven and two all that.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Kind of stuff. I don't care.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Like, at the end of the day, we're either gonna
win it or not, and it doesn't matter what some
screaming talking head on TV says, or some dork with
a microphone like he says, it doesn't matter like they're
gonna wait they can not.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
But is is there something to getting national recognition? Because
I'd rather be slept on.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Rather all of them keep making themselves like idiots week
after week talk about the Broncos is gonna.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Lose and then they don't.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
From a players standpoint, no, you really don't care, right,
because it's cliche. You go out there and you play
who you have to play, and the ideas that you're
going to kick the you know, Darierva whomever is across
from you. But that's for everyone in the media to
have those conversations, because every single week there there is
(30:28):
a power ranking, no, no different than the college football playoffs, right,
and they come out every week because it's intriguing, It
keeps people glued to the game. It gives so many
people things to talk about, well, this team did this,
this team didn't do that because the Patriots they were idle,
and I think on ESPN's power ranking they still put
(30:50):
them over the Denver Broncos. But I mean, that's that's
a conversation for radio. But the players and the coaches,
they don't really think about it, but you can if
you so chose to. How's it as material to motivate
your players?
Speaker 2 (31:04):
I just I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
I just for me, I've always had this same litmus
test for everything, and that he's I do I need
this person's approval? And if I don't need their approval,
then why do I care what their opinion is?
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Well?
Speaker 2 (31:18):
See, that's the Benjamin all Right motto.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
I don't yeah, and I have that light philosophy. I
probably got a tattoo somewhere in your body. Do I
care about this person's approval or disapproval? And if I don't,
and why the bleep do I care what they think about?
You know, a power rank in our team?
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Like, why do I care? Like I don't? Steven A.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Smith's personal opinion of me does not matter to me,
So why do I care what his ranking of the
Broncos or or anyone else is?
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Because it's it's conversation, it's water cooler material, so people
can sit and debate whether someone was right or wrong
or why is not my team?
Speaker 2 (31:52):
That's something for fans.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Well, I mean that's I get that from a content
creation standpoint, But at the end of the day, I'm saying, like,
I can't stop people from creating certain content. What I
can't do is control my own. You know, you don't
have to watch it. I don't watch it deliberately don't
watch it. I don't watch this stuff. I don't read
this stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
And then I get this, you know, I get that
this screenshot said to me, and I'm like, this is
what we're doing.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
This is what passes for content. Somebody paid that guy
to write that. Someone paid them, and that's why he
wrote it, because it's a conversation, a piece. The sensibly
someone paid him to watch the game, well he could
write it.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
And that's where I'm going with that.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
It's like they had to watch the game and he
didn't do it. He abdicated that in favor of reading
a box score, which I don't even think reading the
box score comes away as le Broncos.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Look, you should have came down to the burndown with
us and watched it. I'm just saying you want to.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
I'll give you a pativitation out there, Deontay Lee. You
want to come out there, and you know you want
to come out there and watch much. I'm happy to
sit down and watch a football game with you and
and explain the basic fundamentals of a game that you
very clearly either don't grasp or we're mailing it at all.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Here's an a gap, right, here's a B gap. Here's
first is in Benjamin see as in see that gap
right that the host can rocks. Cut your head back
for this
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The Brothers Ortiz is the story of two brothers–both successful, but in very different ways. Gabe Ortiz becomes a third-highest ranking officer in all of Texas while his younger brother Larry climbs the ranks in Puro Tango Blast, a notorious Texas Prison gang. Gabe doesn’t know all the details of his brother’s nefarious dealings, and he’s made a point not to ask, to protect their relationship. But when Larry is murdered during a home invasion in a rented beach house, Gabe has no choice but to look into what happened that night. To solve Larry’s murder, Gabe, and the whole Ortiz family, must ask each other tough questions.