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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's a victory Monday here on Broncos Country.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Tonight is the Denver Broncos finish off the green Bay
Packers thirty.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Four to twenty six. And what a win it was.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Green Bay probably presented the toughest test for the Denver
Broncos to date. I mean, they played some good offenses
and good defenses, you know, home road. They've lost a
couple of games, but I don't think they had a
game where they had as much talent and speed across
the board, maybe as as the Green Bay Packers did,
and the Broncos handled it. I thought, really well, you know,
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they got down a little bit in that game. There
was a point where the Broncos were at their largest
deficit since the New York Giants game, but once again
found a way to battle back.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
It was interesting. A little bit of symmetry maybe.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Is Patzertan and interceptions sparks the Denver Broncos sort of
what happened when Sirtan housed that won against the Raiders,
you know in the wed the debut in the throwback uniforms.
It was the last year, year before last wherever it
was and housed it and really turned the Broncos season
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around at.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
That point, and this one maybe didn't turn the season arounds.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
The season was already going fairly well, but certainly turned
the game around for the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
You know, I thought, I thought it looked like Green
Bay came in with.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
A pretty good game plan and then just got away
from it in the second half. They started throwing the
football a little bit more and putting the Broncos in
position to really kind of shut them down. While they
were having success with Josh Jacobs early, Jacob's twelve carries
seventy three yards was averaging six to one to carry.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
You know, Love had taken off for thirty on the
ground himself.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
He had Brooks who had two carries for ten many Wilson,
who was under the weather, only got two carries for
three yards. But it just felt like they got away
from what was being successful for them, which was running
the ball and putting them in favorable matchups, and then
they wound up putting playing right into the Denver Broncos' hands.
Anytime you're up against the never Broncos, you have to
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keep yourself in manageable situations. If you don't do that,
this defense is going to tee off on you, and
they did, and that's that's ultimately the way it went down.
They did sack Jordan Love three times in that when
we got the the two interceptions. It's just, you know,
it's one of those things that's fascinating to me because
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the Packers completed forty six percent of the third downs,
but a lot of that stuff came in the first
half when they were still running the football and putting
themselves in advantageous situations, and then they just got away
from it for whatever reason.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yeah, and it felt like Dave made this point earlier,
and I think Sean Payton made it in a press
conference today. In the second half, the Broncos O line
and D line really took control of that game. And
I think that was a big part along with them
getting away from their game planing and rinning the ball
on early downs. But they enforced their will, the O
line and the D line in that second half, especially
the pressure up the middle from the defensive line. I thought,
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you know, you're always worried about John Thank Cooper and
Nick Bonito coming off the edge, but that big sack
from Dendre Tillman, and I agree with you. That PS
two interception, like the Packers were up nine, driving the
ball again, taking a deep shot, going for the kill shot.
It almost felt like and PS two stepping in front
of that ball like diving laying out. That changed the
whole momentum of the game. Yeah, I mean it really,
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it really did.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
And that's you know, patser Tan, That's what he's best
at a lot of people. It's funny because you know,
the Green Bay people who don't really know, you know,
patser ten. You look at this and like, well, Watson
had a beat. I'm like, dude, that's what Patzertan wants
you to fame up the whole time. He plays trail
technique in an effort to get you to try to
put that ball in there, and then he uses his
athlete athleticism to catch up. Now, that's going to come
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back to haunt him late in his career. Right late
in his career, is gonna trust that a little too much.
We've seen corners do this before. He's gonna have develop
some other things for later in his career, but for
right now, where he's still has athletic prime, he can
still do those kinds of things. And so what you're
gonna get is you gotta get quarterbacks who think they've
got a man open that patcer Tan has baited you
in a rolling a ball you shouldn't thrown and you
wander through. If you're going to throw that ball, you
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have to throw it on the other side of Watson
where he has the body to box out and try
to make the catch.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
And Love was dealing early in that game. Man, I
kind of was some of those throws.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I think he got maybe a little too confident, and
he's like, I'm fitting everything into these small windows today,
I'm gonna do it once again.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
And PS two made him pay for it.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
He did.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I thought early on that le Broncos defense looked a
little flustered, like they create and get to him. And
I was sitting there and I was talking with our
boss at Brenda Egger, and I was I was saying
to her, I was like, it looks like I imagine
this is what it feels like to be an opposing
defense trying to sack bo Nicks, right, because Bo gets
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it out so quick and just does not take sacks.
I wondered in that moment, if this is what it
feels like to try to sack bo Nicks well, and.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Going into the game, Jordan Love only sacked eighteen times,
bow Knicks seventeen times, two of the best in the
league of not getting sacked. And then we saw finally
the Broncos defense breakthrough in the sad half and get
a couple. Now o Nicks taking zero in that game,
and man, how about his performance?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Like that might've been the best game of his career.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
That was the first time where I was like, you
can win a quarter you can win a super Bowl
because of this quarterback. Yeah, not with him, yeah, but
because of him. Yeah, if he performs like that in
big games, right.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
It was it was the It was a question of
it has been a question with bo Nicks of can
you win a super Bowl with the right things around
him versus you can win a super Bowl with this guy?
And that's that's really to your to your credit, that's
really what it felt like in that game all through
for over three hundred yards, he looked impressive doing it.
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He was was a twenty three to thirty four, a
one thirty four point seven rating, four touchdowns, and the
run game was not very highly effective.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
I mean R. J.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Harvey only averaged three to four to carry. He fumbled
the ball once I thought it. You know, there's some
people that say it was on him.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
It looked a little bit more like a better defensive
play than anything else.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
But you know, I mean, Harvey's longest run of the
day was only eight yards.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
He was he got just enough out of those yard
out of those most of those carries, as you know,
as he needed to didn't really. I mean, the Mims
carry was kind of what it was. Thought we could
have used Julia McLoughlin a little bit more. Uh, we
only us Apprentice on the one carry, and it was
an obvious situation that that kind of got him keyed on.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
He lost the yard.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
That was my I think that might have been my
only complaint yesterday was that.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
That play call at Apprentice call.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yeah, that and that two point conversion tossed to the left,
and then not going for two the next time because
we're up seven, so two puts you at nine. One
only puts you at eight. And I'm like, this does
this doesn't make any sense to me.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Math It's not math.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, the math is not mathing here. You already did
this once and you missed it. You should you go
for two here? That's what the you know. Anyway, there
were a couple. I mean, I don't want to did
pick a part a win, but you know that that's
how it goes. Well, you know, I wanted to see
more of Marvin Mims. We saw a little more of
Little Jordan Humphrey that I was perhaps comfortable with, but
he made the plays when he when his number got called,
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So I can't.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
I can't complain about it too too much.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Little Jordan Humphrey and Marv Michael Bandy dude. Okay, so touchdowns,
it's funny.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
So I took the long shot touchdown parlay as I
do every week, and since Nate Adkins was backed, I
put him in the mix. Well, I had Bandy, little
Jordan Humphrey and Adkins.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
That would have paid out.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
So oh oh, it would have paid a lot, because
you know, I put the Hunter Bucks on it. But
it would have paid out significantly. And they did not
offer me a cash out. After Little Jordan's touchdown, I'm
just saying like, oh, come on, I'm taking I would
take the money right now and run.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
May Atkins had a couple here.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
I know he didn't show up in the past game,
but he had a couple of huge blocks run plays.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah, he's he's.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Part of what's been missing, uh with this football team,
you know, and they've needed people to sort of turn
into Devon Vley And in a way, I think they
got that in the aggregate in this game. Bay And
by the way, bawled out for the Saints again against
Carolina this week. But you know, finally now that they're
using him, he's all of a sudden showing up. You know,
they traded for the guy didn't use all year. I
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didn't use them all year. Now they start using them.
He starts showing up. It's funny how that stuff works.
But you know, end of the day, you know, there's
there's not really much to There's not really much to
denigratee or complain about with this this game. In the
first half of the fans were getting a little panicky
on social media, so people started coming after Vance right
off the bat for off it at the mouth.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
I'm like, bro, we're in the first quarter. What are
we doing here? Like, give it a minute.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
You know they're playing It's clear what they're doing here.
They're playing a bend, don't break defense. They're trying to
bog them down into kicking field.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Goals, and that red zone defense for the Broncos man
number one in the league, going in and holding them
to field goals three times won them the game.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
It is, and that's what that you could tell, like,
that's what the game plan is. But you got fans
they able to stopped almost single drive and I'm like, yeah,
actually they have. The point is it takes three field
goals to beat one touchdown, free field goals to beat
a touchdown, and so at the end of the day,
if you're trading you know, field goals for the opportunity
for touchdown drives, all you got to do a score
every other drive and you're fine, You're going to win
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the game.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, it's kind of like the three verse two mentality
in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Now exactly, that's exactly what it is. And so that's
it's one of those things that's that fascinated me. How
the fan base, Uh, they call me a wet blanket
in the mid game. They're the ones melting down and
I'm the one sitting here like try to be the
voice of like optimism, but give.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
It a minute, Like it's okay, is the pay no break.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, it was just a remarkable juxtaposition, sort of sort
of fun.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
And conversely for the Broncos offense, not settling for field
goals and getting in the end zone. Bo Nick said
it after the game he thought that was the.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
Difference for them, and I agree, yeah, I think so,
and and and judiciously going for it in ways that
made sense right when they went for it, because I
was like, oh god, it's fourth and one.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
We got a deep shot cross or dialed up here somewhere,
get ready, you.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Know, And yeah, it was playing.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
There was one play I think it was in the
third quarter, maybe in the fourth, but it was like
third and three, and you knew they were going to
go for it the next time, and they took a
deep shot down the field and I'm like, just run.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
The ball, Just run the ball, Sean, just run it.
And anyway, yeah, he's never met the pass play for
little Jordan Humphrey. Don't want to run.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
But anyway, Broncos come away with an eight point victory
over the Packers.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Packers probably the you know, the second.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Best team in the in the NFC, behind the Ram,
behind the Rams. The Seahawks are in the conversation but
they're so Jackal and Hyde. I thought Philip Reverson was
going to pull out that up. I thought he was
for a minute there, I really did. I legitimately thought
he might pull that out for a minute there, especially
with that late drive for the field goal. But Sam
Darnold uh and then the Seahawks and there, I think
that's the team nobody.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Wants to play in the playoffs in the NFCCA if
they somehow win the NFC West and get a home field.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, yeah, you don't want to. You definitely don't want
to playing up there in Seattle in the playoffs. That's
a tough that's a tough ask. A lot of some
injury stuff around the league. Of course, we lost Pat
Mahomes for the season, and you know, whatever you think
of the Chiefs and that, you never wish the injury
on a on a great player like anybody put on
a great player like that. But it certainly makes the
Christmas game look a little bit easier for Denver all
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of a sudden, a little more boring with.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Gardner Minshew, I don't know, Minshu brings his own flair.
He almost led them back to winning that game.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Well yeah, and Minshew did beat the Broncos when he
was a Jacksonville if you know, just the mustache.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yeah, maybe the Chiefs have a chance.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Maybe Yeah, as a one mustache man to another, right,
my advice to Gardner minshew.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
But you know, I mean this thing is now laid
out for Denver to kind of run the table.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Here.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
You got a Jags team. It's it's coming to town here.
That's it's really more. You know, with all due respect
to the Jags, and their offense is creative and fun,
their defense is just not very good. It's not every Laurence,
it's not a joke, but it's just not very good.
Trevor Lawrence has finally started deal. He's finally started come
to his own. I don't know if you've watched those games.
They have a really creative offen. They've got a phenomenally
creative screen game.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Everyone was, you know, making fun of Liam Cohen and.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
He talk about offensive genius like Sean Payton gets that
label a lot.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
He seems like he's the next one. Yeah, he's see
lip Cole has got some got some ideas.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
I'm telling you, there's some creative stuff, and you know
in what they do and as you look at it,
and I think, honestly, I think it's gotten better as
they've not tried to force feed Travis Hunters since he's
been out. So and I know Broncos fans probably you know,
Colorado fans would have wanted to see Travis hunt in
this game.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
But it's it's one of those things that.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
You know, at the end of the day, I just
I don't see Jacksonville being able to keep up with
with with Denver.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
I will say this though, and Nick made this point
during KAA Sports. Etn has been on a tear for
the Jags.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Yes, The biggest issue for the Broncos defense this year
has been running backs out of the backfield. You saw
it with Josh Jacobs. Yeah, I mean that was incredible.
That was an incredible catch and pretty good coverage from
green Law. But I would look out for that this
weekend as Etn out of the backfield catching the ball.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Yeah. Uh.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
He's not the most world's most effective runner, but even
in this past game he had three receiving touchdowns. All
three of his just went for touchdowns. You know, I
had three receptions seventy three yards for three touchdowns. They
just they've got such a creative screen game there in Jacksonville,
and it's just it's fun to it's sort of fun
to watch, you know, how they how they do the
screen game where it's not just something you know is coming,
you know otherwise, so uh, you know, fascinating, it'll be fascinating.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
To preview that, and we'll of course do that. Uh
but you know this week.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
But he's you know, at the end, it's getting this
is getting sixty five frost yards a game, give or take.
But the way that he catches out of the backfield
and everything else, it's just the complete package.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
There.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
He's been, he's been on a bit of a tear
and finally sort of morphing in. I think to the
player that that they had envisioned when they drafted him.
They were going to trade him a couple of years ago.
They were going to trade him this year. Oh really Yeah,
So you know it's it's that's they wound up trading
Tank Bigsby in State. It was a three man show
and it was going to be it was him, Tooting
and Bigsby and they're like, we'll only keep it to you,
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so one of you gotta go, and then Bigsby wound
up going to Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
And Tooton put on IR today. Right, Yeah, I think so.
I think I saw that.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Uh so, that's I mean, you know, a lot of
injuries we mentioned Michael Parsons, of course, happened in an
hour game. We saw that, the DeVante Adams injury, just a,
just a it was a rough day for injury amongst
teams that felt like they had a playoff chance, and
also the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Yeah, the Michael Parsons one. I mean that really puts
a damper on the Packers.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I mean, he it was noticeable, the difference in pressure
when he was out. You can't everywhere. It's weird to
me if people, oh, this is the reason we lost that,
there's several's. You can never pin a game on any
one thing. You can't.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
There's so many other things that go on in the game,
so many other moments that could have gone a different way.
You can't pin one thing on anything. But it was
certainly noticeable. The pressure difference was vastly noticeable between when
Parsons was in there and when he was not. And
that's gonna spell problems for the Packers because I don't
think that defense is as talented maybe as we had thought,
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certainly didn't appear that way when we started to start
to watch this thing. Certainly didn't appear as talented as
advertised coming into that game.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, I mean, that's why they went and got them.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
And I don't other than the Parsons injury, I don't
think hackers fans should be disappointed at all.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
That was a hell of a football game.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Like I had a bunch of my buddies from Ohio
who don't normally watch the Broncos and it was the
national game, had Tony Romo and Jim Nance on the call,
and they're like, damn, this is this is one of
the best football games I've watched in a long time.
And it was and too heavyweights punched it out exactly,
And I think, I mean, you just saw the narrative
shift about the Broncos nationally today.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
It was just crazy how everyone is now. It's undeniable.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
You can't sit there and and and fake, you know,
fake like you watched the game box score scout, then
tell me the Broncos offense is trash.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
You can't even do that anymore. This was a national game.
Everybody saw it.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
You can't be like the rigger and you know, and
sit there and try to fake your way through an
article at.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
A power ranking. You know, it's just I mean, it's
it's undeniable at this point. And so that's that's one
of those things, like you look at this season.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
And yeah, I mean there's some games that you probably
you know, you would think the team should have won
by more or whatever. But theah end of the day,
it's just like we always say, it doesn't matter if
you're the best. You know, you don't have to be
the best team in the country, just the best team
in the stadium that day. And if you do that
enough times, you're gonna wind up being the best team
in the country in one year.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Sayings all the time in the preseason that everything matters
but the final score. In the regular season, nothing matters
but the final score. And that's what the Broncos have
proved all year, and they go toe to toe with
whoever's lined up against them that week.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah, and that's I mean, you know, that's at the
end of the day. That's that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Five six six nine zero is the text line. Uh
So we've got a couple in here, how discouraging was
the RJ.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Harvey fumble. I mean a little bit.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
But there's also such a thing as just a great
defensive play. Sometimes you gotta tip your caps. Sometimes you
just gotta say, look, they made a good play and
it was this first one. Yeah, I mean, you're a
Gordon situation here, right, you know? So that that's one
of those.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Uh, that's one of those. What about his injury though?
What are we hearing on that?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
If you the Ribs bother him, I don't know, you know,
I don't know how how it's gonna be. Obviously they
went and claimed Schreger off waivers. That's that's a twofold move.
One that gives you an insurance policy and two Sreger
played for the Jags for a portion of the season,
so it gives you some intel there. So a little
bit of a little bit of both moved there with
Cody Schreger that they they went, I got I think
they plan on him being here.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
We'll see. I think they like him. Well, we'll see
see how that one goes.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
What else we got here, we got it's good to
see that when in the Broncos, Uh, they get away
from what they should be doing.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
On offense talking about me. Did the Packers get away
from the run?
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Uh n I said, what what was the injury to
PS two in the second quarter? Yeah, he took a
shot to the head and the ribs at the same time.
Uh and uh it just you know, he was back
out there pretty quickly, but he got he got a
knee to the helmet and a need of the ribs.
And the helmet was I think the Packers player, and
the ribs I think was Alex Singleton and he just
got both those at the same time and just had.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Had to go out for just a second. But he's
he's totally fine.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
And Brandon Jones, of course, I don't know if earlier
he's on I R he's he's done for the year.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Yeah, he's done for the year. PJ Lock he's going
to be the guy.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
I don't think they're out there looking for another safety,
but PJ Lock with with Devon Key behind him and
Jail Skinner third in line there.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
That's that's how that's being looked at right now. And
we'll see, you know, we'll see how that goes.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I would caution people because I have a lot of
questions about Justin Simmons today that as long as Sean
Payton as the head coach to the Broncos, I don't
believe that they'll be they'll be calling Justin Simmons. Oh
he's a media guy, now, Well, I just I'm just
saying I think that's probably the best way.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
I'm good and on media with d MVR lately too.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So what else we got here? Let's
see Packers lost because of the altitude. I saw them
on the sideline sucking so much air. It's kind of funny.
Teams think this is BS until they experience it. Well, no,
I don't think anybody thinks it's a BS. And they
did look a little run down late and that could
have been part of it. That could have definitely been
part of it.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
We'll see.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
You know, that's a part of these really wanting to
secure home field the playoffs. You know, that's one of
those things I think you really, you know, you really.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Want to have an eye on.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
We've got a big show today night. Parker Gabriel is
going to join a seven o five Sean Keeler at
eight oh five. Get a chance to talk to them,
you guys, listen to Broncos country tonight, right you're on KA.
I think for a lot of Broncos fans, for any
any that were still wondering about this team, and especially
after maybe closer than comfortable wins over the Raiders, I
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think there was a big ex hal yesterday as you
saw Bownicks take command.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
I think for the first time it was a little
bit different. Both come out.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
He's had some drives, he's had some throws and all
this kind of stuff, but this was the first time
you felt like Bownicks just kind of sort of took
command of a game and you could see flashes of it.
We've talked about some plays during the Commander's game, talked
about a few of them in the Raiders game. I
talked about that before. You could see him growing up
in real time, But this one felt like the first
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time that maybe Bow had full command of this thing.
And that's a good thing. You're gonna need some of
that down the stretch. There's gonna be moments where the
defense is gonna leak a little oil down the stretch.
It's teams have tape on what you've been doing all
year at this point, okay, and you're not gonna change anything.
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You're gonna throw a little tweaks in here there, but
your basic defense is your basic defense. Team's got tape,
right you played twelve, thirteen to fourteen games depending on
where you are in the NFL right now, teams who've
got tape on your defense, and they've seen the things
that have beaten your defense. And so the great coordinators
and the great coaches they seek to build off that.
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Everything is a copy cat league. Everybody steals from everybody,
and what you get are a lot of coaches and
coordinators out there looking at, for instance, that commander's game
where their offense had a little bit success us and say, okay,
we want to take some of that. We need to
apply it. The blueprint on this the blueprint if there
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is one, and that may be over selling it slightly.
The blueprint though, for beating the Broncos, you've got to
be able to run the football. If you can't run
the football, you're not going to beat Denver. If you're
sitting back there in past, they're going to beat you, period,
end new story. You've got to have enough quick game
in there early to frustrate those edge rushers.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
You gotta have enough quick game in there. Get the
ball out.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Quick, especially when they're at full energy, to tire out
that pass rush. And so you know, if you can
incorporate that power run game, and you could incorporate that
quick game and be successful with it, that's going to
put you in better position against the Broncos defense. And
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we saw that from Green Bay in the first half
and then they just got away from it, and I mean,
I'm thankful they did. But that's one of those things
that we're gonna have to watch as we head down
the stretch here, we watch how teams continue to attack
the Broncos as they continue to try to sort of
build on.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
That Cliff Kingsbury blueprint that he put out there.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
And again, when I say the blueprint, I'm not saying
this is a cheat code to beat the Broncos defense,
but it's certainly the things that you can do to
put yourself in the more advantageous position.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Five six, six nine zeros A text line.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
So one four can you share what's behind that statement
on Sean Payton and Justin Simmons, why doesn't he like him?
I'm not going to delve too much into that. I'm
just gonna say that I don't believe that this head
coach should be bringing him back. And I'll leave it
at that. And I just, I mean, this is not
me trying to keep something from me. It's just I
don't want to delve into personal stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
So that'll have to be that.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Ninety three have heard it from other teams. They think
the altitude is not going to affect their play. George
carl when he coached the Seattle super Sonics for one. Yeah,
I mean it affects you like it, you know, And
there's not a right or wrong way to attack it.
You have some teams that come out here and try
to be out here for a while and get used
to it. You got teams that try to show up
the day before. The altitude affects you like it just does.
There's not a way around that really. As far as
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as as far exiting, I remember when I moved out here.
I moved out here from Sea Level. I came out
here from Tampa, and I remember what it was like
because the very first thing, you know, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Have a house or anything. When I got here, I
just grabbed an apartment.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
And the apartment that I got I had to walk
up two flights of stairs, and I will just tell
you that was a chore at the end of the day,
walk it up two flights of stairs in this altitude
when you're not used to it.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
It doesn't sound like much, but man, it was a
chore early on.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
So I you know, being a professional athlete chasing down
other professional athletes, you can certainly appreciate the difficulty in that. So, yes,
there may be a coaching arrogance that says that we're
not going with the altitude affect us.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
It'll affect you, I promise, And.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Maybe he's just maybe guys are saying that for the
psychology of it, so that you don't so it doesn't
exacerbate it. The psychology of this is gonna affect me,
making it worse, you know someone for do you think
both can develop cadence at the line. Aaron Rodgers has
talked about how he feels his is a weapon that
could be something but should try to. Yeah, I think
that's more of an advance that like cadence think is
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something that comes with quarterbacking over the years, once everything
else slows down, you're able to get up there with
enough time and do stuff like that. That's something because
of time. Usually guys don't have that those ault cadences
that early, the hard counts and all that kind of stuff.
That's usually uh so, that's cold man football. It's usually
what these guys develops as the years go on, a
little tricks like that to throw off over eager edge rushers.
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It's say Philip Rivers football.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Yeah, old man Rivers football.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Man.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
I thought he was gonna win that th yesterday. I
really did.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
I'm not a big fan of the hut one, hut
two three. Oh, I mean, hey, whatever you got to
do throw people off, I'm mad at it. Yeah, ninety three.
I know it's as I just got done saying two
and three. We're mostly a zone D. But if we
start out least heavy involved Baron to replace Jones, we
canplits more safety in man calls.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Actually, we're more of a man D than a zone D.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
It's it's different because there's different rules, like if it's inside,
it's man to the outside and zone to the inside,
so it's kind of both.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
But this defense is at its root.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
What Vance Joseph's mentors defense was, and his mentor was,
of course Wade Phillips, which was mostly man. This is
mostly like a single high man defense, but it turns
into zone and certain rules and things like that, and
I think that's you know, Vance's There was a great
article a couple of weeks ago where Vance was discussing that.
I think Justin Reid at ESPN put it out. You
have to go back and a look. But there was
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a great article about that a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Uh, did you think the Moss DP I was soft? Yeah,
I'm you know what I said. I'll tell you what
I said, what it was called.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
I turned to the person next to you, I said,
rather than Moss just got flagged for playing corner while
being white.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
They do seem to just hate him. Man, that that
was the softest, and I mean he was.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
I mean they were almost holding the hands going down
the field a little bit. I'm guessing that's what they flagged.
But that was really soft.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Did you hear Sean Payton's comments on it. I did
not even get test to hear. Something comes today.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
I can't say the word, but it begins with an
A relative to that call it just holy cow, and
it's it's it's something that's frustrating, I'm sure for him,
but he'll keep competing. He's top came back with a
big interception, you know, the one in New York, Well
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was brutal. But he'll keep he'll keep competing. We've got
to get better in it overall at seeing and being
consistent officiating those calls.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
And that was something I talked about with Dave Logan
on the Insider segment before the game, that there is
a league wide The coaches are starting to speak out
and they have that same talking point there is that
we need consistency from the officiating crews.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
John Hornball went on a little rant, Yeah you know
about it.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Sean Payton, of course, just just said the same thing
right there, almost verbatim about the consistency.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
It's something that we've got to get.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
This league has got to get a a more streamlined
process and a consistently better consistency at officiating, especially if
you're going to have money changing hands on some of
these calls. You can't be in bed with the sports
books and have something that appears like it could be
it can be rigged because even in situations where you
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would think there's not we've seen instances where there's you know,
things chick cannery going on, and so that's.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
One of those things.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
It's really going to get the NFL in trouble here
and going to curb and curtail some of their their
newest revenue stream. If they are unable to get that
taken care of well three h three, then is the
word that starts with the A atrocious?
Speaker 4 (28:25):
No, it is not.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
The word is asenine. That's the word that Sean Payton
was looking for there. It's asenine.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
It wasn't this. It was awful that too, but asenine
is the word that he was going to use there.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Just so you know.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Oh man, Yeah, I've still I've got a lot of
stuff I want to get to in the show. I
appreciate you guys beat along for the ride. We do
have Parker Gabel come off the top of the hour,
Sean Killer in the in the next hour. Get chance
to talk to those guys. Plus, I watch your questions. Well,
what's your guys thoughts on the Broncos?
Speaker 1 (28:52):
How far can they go? Is this a Super Bowl team?
Is this a team of destiny? I asked you guys,
uh your thoughts another or not?
Speaker 2 (29:02):
The Broncos are a super Bowl contender, certainly obviously a
playoff team with what looks like homefield advantage. Now, we
did hear a lot of Packers chants. I will say
this walking into the stadium. There was a sizeable contingent
of green at that game. You could hear it on
our broadcast a couple of times in that first half.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah, there was a sizeable contingtion of pack Now, I
will say this, Dever's transplant city.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
There's quite a few people that move here from there, uh.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
You know, and they wanted the chance to go to
these games. We had a lot of season ticket holders
that figure this was gonna be the high price game.
I'll sell the tickets, recoup by money and have money
for the end of the playoffs and all that. Kay,
smart movie, I get it. But at the same time,
it was a jarring sight the amount of green there was.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
But when the Broncos needed it, when they were on defense,
that got loud, and Grant mentioned it on the broadcast.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
He's like, this place was literally vibrating. Yeah, there was.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
There were two moments in that game where it got
really loud. Uh, and they're gonna need more of that.
If if the Broncos are gonna be that team, they're
gonna need the home crowd to be that loud, you know,
down the stretch at some of these games, and then
and give them that advantage when things are going on.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Let's see here, we got the two to one.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Three says, if this defense is half as good as
they say, then Sean is very, very underwhelming.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
I've always said this. I've always said that, did Sean
Payton's a good coach? I didn't. I don't know if
he's a great one.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
I don't know if he's a Drew Brees merchant or not,
although I will say the way Bo's playing, maybe he's not.
You know, the way Mike McCarthy. Uh, you know, Mike
McCarthy and Sean Payton had virtually the same resume. You
had a top five all time quarterback. You have prime Rogers,
Sean had prime Breeze, got one Super Bowl out of it.
The floor was pretty much seven and nine with those guys.
You weren't gonna you weren't gonna dipp all five hundred
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very often. If you did, it be one game. You
gotta be competitive. I don't know about I ring Sean Payton.
There are things about him I dislike, but that doesn't
mean that you should fire the guy. I mean, the
team is winning games.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
If you win, everything else will be Forgott That's what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Like, and that's the thing, sort of like when you win,
the other things kind of get excused. It's when you
lose that those things get picked to part go. Look
at Arizona right now, those fans are melting down about
John Gannon, who's a good coach, and they are melting
down about John Gannon right now. I'm like, guys, you're
in the toughest division in football, sixty three percent of
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your roster is injured, your quarterback is on the ir.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
And you're you're sitting here complaining, like who was gonna
make it any better? It's just weird. Parker Gable will
come back. Might just be one of those years, folks.
It might just be
It's a victory Monday here on Broncos Country.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Tonight is the Denver Broncos finish off the green Bay
Packers thirty.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Four to twenty six. And what a win it was.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Green Bay probably presented the toughest test for the Denver
Broncos to date. I mean, they played some good offenses
and good defenses, you know, home road. They've lost a
couple of games, but I don't think they had a
game where they had as much talent and speed across
the board, maybe as as the Green Bay Packers did,
and the Broncos handled it. I thought, really well, you know,
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they got down a little bit in that game. There
was a point where the Broncos were at their largest
deficit since the New York Giants game, but once again
found a way to battle back.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
It was interesting. A little bit of symmetry maybe.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Is Patzertan and interceptions sparks the Denver Broncos sort of
what happened when Sirtan housed that won against the Raiders,
you know in the wed the debut in the throwback uniforms.
It was the last year, year before last wherever it
was and housed it and really turned the Broncos season
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around at.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
That point, and this one maybe didn't turn the season arounds.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
The season was already going fairly well, but certainly turned
the game around for the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
You know, I thought, I thought it looked like Green
Bay came in with.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
A pretty good game plan and then just got away
from it in the second half. They started throwing the
football a little bit more and putting the Broncos in
position to really kind of shut them down. While they
were having success with Josh Jacobs early, Jacob's twelve carries
seventy three yards was averaging six to one to carry.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
You know, Love had taken off for thirty on the
ground himself.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
He had Brooks who had two carries for ten many Wilson,
who was under the weather, only got two carries for
three yards. But it just felt like they got away
from what was being successful for them, which was running
the ball and putting them in favorable matchups, and then
they wound up putting playing right into the Denver Broncos' hands.
Anytime you're up against the never Broncos, you have to
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keep yourself in manageable situations. If you don't do that,
this defense is going to tee off on you, and
they did, and that's that's ultimately the way it went down.
They did sack Jordan Love three times in that when
we got the the two interceptions. It's just, you know,
it's one of those things that's fascinating to me because
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the Packers completed forty six percent of the third downs,
but a lot of that stuff came in the first
half when they were still running the football and putting
themselves in advantageous situations, and then they just got away
from it for whatever reason.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yeah, and it felt like Dave made this point earlier,
and I think Sean Payton made it in a press
conference today. In the second half, the Broncos O line
and D line really took control of that game. And
I think that was a big part along with them
getting away from their game planing and rinning the ball
on early downs. But they enforced their will, the O
line and the D line in that second half, especially
the pressure up the middle from the defensive line. I thought,
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you know, you're always worried about John Thank Cooper and
Nick Bonito coming off the edge, but that big sack
from Dendre Tillman, and I agree with you. That PS
two interception, like the Packers were up nine, driving the
ball again, taking a deep shot, going for the kill shot.
It almost felt like and PS two stepping in front
of that ball like diving laying out. That changed the
whole momentum of the game. Yeah, I mean it really,
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it really did.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
And that's you know, patser Tan, That's what he's best
at a lot of people. It's funny because you know,
the Green Bay people who don't really know, you know,
patser ten. You look at this and like, well, Watson
had a beat. I'm like, dude, that's what Patzertan wants
you to fame up the whole time. He plays trail
technique in an effort to get you to try to
put that ball in there, and then he uses his
athlete athleticism to catch up. Now, that's going to come
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back to haunt him late in his career. Right late
in his career, is gonna trust that a little too much.
We've seen corners do this before. He's gonna have develop
some other things for later in his career, but for
right now, where he's still has athletic prime, he can
still do those kinds of things. And so what you're
gonna get is you gotta get quarterbacks who think they've
got a man open that patcer Tan has baited you
in a rolling a ball you shouldn't thrown and you
wander through. If you're going to throw that ball, you
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have to throw it on the other side of Watson
where he has the body to box out and try
to make the catch.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
And Love was dealing early in that game. Man, I
kind of was some of those throws.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I think he got maybe a little too confident, and
he's like, I'm fitting everything into these small windows today,
I'm gonna do it once again.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
And PS two made him pay for it.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
He did.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I thought early on that le Broncos defense looked a
little flustered, like they create and get to him. And
I was sitting there and I was talking with our
boss at Brenda Egger, and I was I was saying
to her, I was like, it looks like I imagine
this is what it feels like to be an opposing
defense trying to sack bo Nicks, right, because Bo gets
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it out so quick and just does not take sacks.
I wondered in that moment, if this is what it
feels like to try to sack bo Nicks well, and.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Going into the game, Jordan Love only sacked eighteen times,
bow Knicks seventeen times, two of the best in the
league of not getting sacked. And then we saw finally
the Broncos defense breakthrough in the sad half and get
a couple. Now o Nicks taking zero in that game,
and man, how about his performance?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Like that might've been the best game of his career.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
That was the first time where I was like, you
can win a quarter you can win a super Bowl
because of this quarterback. Yeah, not with him, yeah, but
because of him. Yeah, if he performs like that in
big games, right.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
It was it was the It was a question of
it has been a question with bo Nicks of can
you win a super Bowl with the right things around
him versus you can win a super Bowl with this guy?
And that's that's really to your to your credit, that's
really what it felt like in that game all through
for over three hundred yards, he looked impressive doing it.
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He was was a twenty three to thirty four, a
one thirty four point seven rating, four touchdowns, and the
run game was not very highly effective.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
I mean R. J.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Harvey only averaged three to four to carry. He fumbled
the ball once I thought it. You know, there's some
people that say it was on him.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
It looked a little bit more like a better defensive
play than anything else.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
But you know, I mean, Harvey's longest run of the
day was only eight yards.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
He was he got just enough out of those yard
out of those most of those carries, as you know,
as he needed to didn't really. I mean, the Mims
carry was kind of what it was. Thought we could
have used Julia McLoughlin a little bit more. Uh, we
only us Apprentice on the one carry, and it was
an obvious situation that that kind of got him keyed on.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
He lost the yard.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
That was my I think that might have been my
only complaint yesterday was that.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
That play call at Apprentice call.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yeah, that and that two point conversion tossed to the left,
and then not going for two the next time because
we're up seven, so two puts you at nine. One
only puts you at eight. And I'm like, this does
this doesn't make any sense to me.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Math It's not math.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, the math is not mathing here. You already did
this once and you missed it. You should you go
for two here? That's what the you know. Anyway, there
were a couple. I mean, I don't want to did
pick a part a win, but you know that that's
how it goes. Well, you know, I wanted to see
more of Marvin Mims. We saw a little more of
Little Jordan Humphrey that I was perhaps comfortable with, but
he made the plays when he when his number got called,
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So I can't.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
I can't complain about it too too much.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Little Jordan Humphrey and Marv Michael Bandy dude. Okay, so touchdowns,
it's funny.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
So I took the long shot touchdown parlay as I
do every week, and since Nate Adkins was backed, I
put him in the mix. Well, I had Bandy, little
Jordan Humphrey and Adkins.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
That would have paid out.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
So oh oh, it would have paid a lot, because
you know, I put the Hunter Bucks on it. But
it would have paid out significantly. And they did not
offer me a cash out. After Little Jordan's touchdown, I'm
just saying like, oh, come on, I'm taking I would
take the money right now and run.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
May Atkins had a couple here.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
I know he didn't show up in the past game,
but he had a couple of huge blocks run plays.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah, he's he's.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Part of what's been missing, uh with this football team,
you know, and they've needed people to sort of turn
into Devon Vley And in a way, I think they
got that in the aggregate in this game. Bay And
by the way, bawled out for the Saints again against
Carolina this week. But you know, finally now that they're
using him, he's all of a sudden showing up. You know,
they traded for the guy didn't use all year. I
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didn't use them all year. Now they start using them.
He starts showing up. It's funny how that stuff works.
But you know, end of the day, you know, there's
there's not really much to There's not really much to
denigratee or complain about with this this game. In the
first half of the fans were getting a little panicky
on social media, so people started coming after Vance right
off the bat for off it at the mouth.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
I'm like, bro, we're in the first quarter. What are
we doing here? Like, give it a minute.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
You know they're playing It's clear what they're doing here.
They're playing a bend, don't break defense. They're trying to
bog them down into kicking field.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Goals, and that red zone defense for the Broncos man
number one in the league, going in and holding them
to field goals three times won them the game.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
It is, and that's what that you could tell, like,
that's what the game plan is. But you got fans
they able to stopped almost single drive and I'm like, yeah,
actually they have. The point is it takes three field
goals to beat one touchdown, free field goals to beat
a touchdown, and so at the end of the day,
if you're trading you know, field goals for the opportunity
for touchdown drives, all you got to do a score
every other drive and you're fine, You're going to win
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the game.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, it's kind of like the three verse two mentality
in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Now exactly, that's exactly what it is. And so that's
it's one of those things that's that fascinated me. How
the fan base, Uh, they call me a wet blanket
in the mid game. They're the ones melting down and
I'm the one sitting here like try to be the
voice of like optimism, but give.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
It a minute, Like it's okay, is the pay no break.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, it was just a remarkable juxtaposition, sort of sort
of fun.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
And conversely for the Broncos offense, not settling for field
goals and getting in the end zone. Bo Nick said
it after the game he thought that was the.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
Difference for them, and I agree, yeah, I think so,
and and and judiciously going for it in ways that
made sense right when they went for it, because I
was like, oh god, it's fourth and one.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
We got a deep shot cross or dialed up here somewhere,
get ready, you.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Know, And yeah, it was playing.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
There was one play I think it was in the
third quarter, maybe in the fourth, but it was like
third and three, and you knew they were going to
go for it the next time, and they took a
deep shot down the field and I'm like, just run.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
The ball, Just run the ball, Sean, just run it.
And anyway, yeah, he's never met the pass play for
little Jordan Humphrey. Don't want to run.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
But anyway, Broncos come away with an eight point victory
over the Packers.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Packers probably the you know, the second.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Best team in the in the NFC, behind the Ram,
behind the Rams. The Seahawks are in the conversation but
they're so Jackal and Hyde. I thought Philip Reverson was
going to pull out that up. I thought he was
for a minute there, I really did. I legitimately thought
he might pull that out for a minute there, especially
with that late drive for the field goal. But Sam
Darnold uh and then the Seahawks and there, I think
that's the team nobody.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Wants to play in the playoffs in the NFCCA if
they somehow win the NFC West and get a home field.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, yeah, you don't want to. You definitely don't want
to playing up there in Seattle in the playoffs. That's
a tough that's a tough ask. A lot of some
injury stuff around the league. Of course, we lost Pat
Mahomes for the season, and you know, whatever you think
of the Chiefs and that, you never wish the injury
on a on a great player like anybody put on
a great player like that. But it certainly makes the
Christmas game look a little bit easier for Denver all
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of a sudden, a little more boring with.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Gardner Minshew, I don't know, Minshu brings his own flair.
He almost led them back to winning that game.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Well yeah, and Minshew did beat the Broncos when he
was a Jacksonville if you know, just the mustache.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yeah, maybe the Chiefs have a chance.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Maybe Yeah, as a one mustache man to another, right,
my advice to Gardner minshew.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
But you know, I mean this thing is now laid
out for Denver to kind of run the table.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Here.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
You got a Jags team. It's it's coming to town here.
That's it's really more. You know, with all due respect
to the Jags, and their offense is creative and fun,
their defense is just not very good. It's not every Laurence,
it's not a joke, but it's just not very good.
Trevor Lawrence has finally started deal. He's finally started come
to his own. I don't know if you've watched those games.
They have a really creative offen. They've got a phenomenally
creative screen game.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Everyone was, you know, making fun of Liam Cohen and.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
He talk about offensive genius like Sean Payton gets that
label a lot.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
He seems like he's the next one. Yeah, he's see
lip Cole has got some got some ideas.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
I'm telling you, there's some creative stuff, and you know
in what they do and as you look at it,
and I think, honestly, I think it's gotten better as
they've not tried to force feed Travis Hunters since he's
been out. So and I know Broncos fans probably you know,
Colorado fans would have wanted to see Travis hunt in
this game.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
But it's it's one of those things that.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
You know, at the end of the day, I just
I don't see Jacksonville being able to keep up with
with with Denver.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
I will say this though, and Nick made this point
during KAA Sports. Etn has been on a tear for
the Jags.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Yes, The biggest issue for the Broncos defense this year
has been running backs out of the backfield. You saw
it with Josh Jacobs. Yeah, I mean that was incredible.
That was an incredible catch and pretty good coverage from
green Law. But I would look out for that this
weekend as Etn out of the backfield catching the ball.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Yeah. Uh.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
He's not the most world's most effective runner, but even
in this past game he had three receiving touchdowns. All
three of his just went for touchdowns. You know, I
had three receptions seventy three yards for three touchdowns. They
just they've got such a creative screen game there in Jacksonville,
and it's just it's fun to it's sort of fun
to watch, you know, how they how they do the
screen game where it's not just something you know is coming,
you know otherwise, so uh, you know, fascinating, it'll be fascinating.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
To preview that, and we'll of course do that. Uh
but you know this week.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
But he's you know, at the end, it's getting this
is getting sixty five frost yards a game, give or take.
But the way that he catches out of the backfield
and everything else, it's just the complete package.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
There.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
He's been, he's been on a bit of a tear
and finally sort of morphing in. I think to the
player that that they had envisioned when they drafted him.
They were going to trade him a couple of years ago.
They were going to trade him this year. Oh really Yeah,
So you know it's it's that's they wound up trading
Tank Bigsby in State. It was a three man show
and it was going to be it was him, Tooting
and Bigsby and they're like, we'll only keep it to you,
(13:52):
so one of you gotta go, and then Bigsby wound
up going to Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
And Tooton put on IR today. Right, Yeah, I think so.
I think I saw that.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Uh so, that's I mean, you know, a lot of
injuries we mentioned Michael Parsons, of course, happened in an
hour game. We saw that, the DeVante Adams injury, just a,
just a it was a rough day for injury amongst
teams that felt like they had a playoff chance, and
also the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Yeah, the Michael Parsons one. I mean that really puts
a damper on the Packers.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I mean, he it was noticeable, the difference in pressure
when he was out. You can't everywhere. It's weird to
me if people, oh, this is the reason we lost that,
there's several's. You can never pin a game on any
one thing. You can't.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
There's so many other things that go on in the game,
so many other moments that could have gone a different way.
You can't pin one thing on anything. But it was
certainly noticeable. The pressure difference was vastly noticeable between when
Parsons was in there and when he was not. And
that's gonna spell problems for the Packers because I don't
think that defense is as talented maybe as we had thought,
(14:57):
certainly didn't appear that way when we started to start
to watch this thing. Certainly didn't appear as talented as
advertised coming into that game.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, I mean, that's why they went and got them.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
And I don't other than the Parsons injury, I don't
think hackers fans should be disappointed at all.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
That was a hell of a football game.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Like I had a bunch of my buddies from Ohio
who don't normally watch the Broncos and it was the
national game, had Tony Romo and Jim Nance on the call,
and they're like, damn, this is this is one of
the best football games I've watched in a long time.
And it was and too heavyweights punched it out exactly,
And I think, I mean, you just saw the narrative
shift about the Broncos nationally today.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
It was just crazy how everyone is now. It's undeniable.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
You can't sit there and and and fake, you know,
fake like you watched the game box score scout, then
tell me the Broncos offense is trash.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
You can't even do that anymore. This was a national game.
Everybody saw it.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
You can't be like the rigger and you know, and
sit there and try to fake your way through an
article at.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
A power ranking. You know, it's just I mean, it's
it's undeniable at this point. And so that's that's one
of those things, like you look at this season.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
And yeah, I mean there's some games that you probably
you know, you would think the team should have won
by more or whatever. But theah end of the day,
it's just like we always say, it doesn't matter if
you're the best. You know, you don't have to be
the best team in the country, just the best team
in the stadium that day. And if you do that
enough times, you're gonna wind up being the best team
in the country in one year.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Sayings all the time in the preseason that everything matters
but the final score. In the regular season, nothing matters
but the final score. And that's what the Broncos have
proved all year, and they go toe to toe with
whoever's lined up against them that week.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah, and that's I mean, you know, that's at the
end of the day. That's that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Five six six nine zero is the text line. Uh
So we've got a couple in here, how discouraging was
the RJ.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Harvey fumble. I mean a little bit.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
But there's also such a thing as just a great
defensive play. Sometimes you gotta tip your caps. Sometimes you
just gotta say, look, they made a good play and
it was this first one. Yeah, I mean, you're a
Gordon situation here, right, you know? So that that's one
of those.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Uh, that's one of those. What about his injury though?
What are we hearing on that?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
If you the Ribs bother him, I don't know, you know,
I don't know how how it's gonna be. Obviously they
went and claimed Schreger off waivers. That's that's a twofold move.
One that gives you an insurance policy and two Sreger
played for the Jags for a portion of the season,
so it gives you some intel there. So a little
bit of a little bit of both moved there with
Cody Schreger that they they went, I got I think
they plan on him being here.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
We'll see. I think they like him. Well, we'll see
see how that one goes.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
What else we got here, we got it's good to
see that when in the Broncos, Uh, they get away
from what they should be doing.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
On offense talking about me. Did the Packers get away
from the run?
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Uh n I said, what what was the injury to
PS two in the second quarter? Yeah, he took a
shot to the head and the ribs at the same time.
Uh and uh it just you know, he was back
out there pretty quickly, but he got he got a
knee to the helmet and a need of the ribs.
And the helmet was I think the Packers player, and
the ribs I think was Alex Singleton and he just
got both those at the same time and just had.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Had to go out for just a second. But he's
he's totally fine.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
And Brandon Jones, of course, I don't know if earlier
he's on I R he's he's done for the year.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Yeah, he's done for the year. PJ Lock he's going
to be the guy.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
I don't think they're out there looking for another safety,
but PJ Lock with with Devon Key behind him and
Jail Skinner third in line there.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
That's that's how that's being looked at right now. And
we'll see, you know, we'll see how that goes.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I would caution people because I have a lot of
questions about Justin Simmons today that as long as Sean
Payton as the head coach to the Broncos, I don't
believe that they'll be they'll be calling Justin Simmons. Oh
he's a media guy, now, Well, I just I'm just
saying I think that's probably the best way.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
I'm good and on media with d MVR lately too.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So what else we got here? Let's
see Packers lost because of the altitude. I saw them
on the sideline sucking so much air. It's kind of funny.
Teams think this is BS until they experience it. Well, no,
I don't think anybody thinks it's a BS. And they
did look a little run down late and that could
have been part of it. That could have definitely been
part of it.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
We'll see.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
You know, that's a part of these really wanting to
secure home field the playoffs. You know, that's one of
those things I think you really, you know, you really.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Want to have an eye on.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
We've got a big show today night. Parker Gabriel is
going to join a seven o five Sean Keeler at
eight oh five. Get a chance to talk to them,
you guys, listen to Broncos country tonight, right you're on KA.
I think for a lot of Broncos fans, for any
any that were still wondering about this team, and especially
after maybe closer than comfortable wins over the Raiders, I
(19:32):
think there was a big ex hal yesterday as you
saw Bownicks take command.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
I think for the first time it was a little
bit different. Both come out.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
He's had some drives, he's had some throws and all
this kind of stuff, but this was the first time
you felt like Bownicks just kind of sort of took
command of a game and you could see flashes of it.
We've talked about some plays during the Commander's game, talked
about a few of them in the Raiders game. I
talked about that before. You could see him growing up
in real time, But this one felt like the first
(20:04):
time that maybe Bow had full command of this thing.
And that's a good thing. You're gonna need some of
that down the stretch. There's gonna be moments where the
defense is gonna leak a little oil down the stretch.
It's teams have tape on what you've been doing all
year at this point, okay, and you're not gonna change anything.
(20:24):
You're gonna throw a little tweaks in here there, but
your basic defense is your basic defense. Team's got tape,
right you played twelve, thirteen to fourteen games depending on
where you are in the NFL right now, teams who've
got tape on your defense, and they've seen the things
that have beaten your defense. And so the great coordinators
and the great coaches they seek to build off that.
(20:46):
Everything is a copy cat league. Everybody steals from everybody,
and what you get are a lot of coaches and
coordinators out there looking at, for instance, that commander's game
where their offense had a little bit success us and say, okay,
we want to take some of that. We need to
apply it. The blueprint on this the blueprint if there
(21:10):
is one, and that may be over selling it slightly.
The blueprint though, for beating the Broncos, you've got to
be able to run the football. If you can't run
the football, you're not going to beat Denver. If you're
sitting back there in past, they're going to beat you, period,
end new story. You've got to have enough quick game
in there early to frustrate those edge rushers.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
You gotta have enough quick game in there. Get the
ball out.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Quick, especially when they're at full energy, to tire out
that pass rush. And so you know, if you can
incorporate that power run game, and you could incorporate that
quick game and be successful with it, that's going to
put you in better position against the Broncos defense. And
(21:57):
we saw that from Green Bay in the first half
and then they just got away from it, and I mean,
I'm thankful they did. But that's one of those things
that we're gonna have to watch as we head down
the stretch here, we watch how teams continue to attack
the Broncos as they continue to try to sort of
build on.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
That Cliff Kingsbury blueprint that he put out there.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
And again, when I say the blueprint, I'm not saying
this is a cheat code to beat the Broncos defense,
but it's certainly the things that you can do to
put yourself in the more advantageous position.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Five six, six nine zeros A text line.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
So one four can you share what's behind that statement
on Sean Payton and Justin Simmons, why doesn't he like him?
I'm not going to delve too much into that. I'm
just gonna say that I don't believe that this head
coach should be bringing him back. And I'll leave it
at that. And I just, I mean, this is not
me trying to keep something from me. It's just I
don't want to delve into personal stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
So that'll have to be that.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Ninety three have heard it from other teams. They think
the altitude is not going to affect their play. George
carl when he coached the Seattle super Sonics for one. Yeah,
I mean it affects you like it, you know, And
there's not a right or wrong way to attack it.
You have some teams that come out here and try
to be out here for a while and get used
to it. You got teams that try to show up
the day before. The altitude affects you like it just does.
There's not a way around that really. As far as
(23:22):
as as far exiting, I remember when I moved out here.
I moved out here from Sea Level. I came out
here from Tampa, and I remember what it was like
because the very first thing, you know, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Have a house or anything. When I got here, I
just grabbed an apartment.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
And the apartment that I got I had to walk
up two flights of stairs, and I will just tell
you that was a chore at the end of the day,
walk it up two flights of stairs in this altitude
when you're not used to it.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
It doesn't sound like much, but man, it was a
chore early on.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
So I you know, being a professional athlete chasing down
other professional athletes, you can certainly appreciate the difficulty in that. So, yes,
there may be a coaching arrogance that says that we're
not going with the altitude affect us.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
It'll affect you, I promise, And.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Maybe he's just maybe guys are saying that for the
psychology of it, so that you don't so it doesn't
exacerbate it. The psychology of this is gonna affect me,
making it worse, you know someone for do you think
both can develop cadence at the line. Aaron Rodgers has
talked about how he feels his is a weapon that
could be something but should try to. Yeah, I think
that's more of an advance that like cadence think is
(24:32):
something that comes with quarterbacking over the years, once everything
else slows down, you're able to get up there with
enough time and do stuff like that. That's something because
of time. Usually guys don't have that those ault cadences
that early, the hard counts and all that kind of stuff.
That's usually uh so, that's cold man football. It's usually
what these guys develops as the years go on, a
little tricks like that to throw off over eager edge rushers.
(24:55):
It's say Philip Rivers football.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Yeah, old man Rivers football.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Man.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
I thought he was gonna win that th yesterday. I
really did.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
I'm not a big fan of the hut one, hut
two three. Oh, I mean, hey, whatever you got to
do throw people off, I'm mad at it. Yeah, ninety three.
I know it's as I just got done saying two
and three. We're mostly a zone D. But if we
start out least heavy involved Baron to replace Jones, we
canplits more safety in man calls.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Actually, we're more of a man D than a zone D.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
It's it's different because there's different rules, like if it's inside,
it's man to the outside and zone to the inside,
so it's kind of both.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
But this defense is at its root.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
What Vance Joseph's mentors defense was, and his mentor was,
of course Wade Phillips, which was mostly man. This is
mostly like a single high man defense, but it turns
into zone and certain rules and things like that, and
I think that's you know, Vance's There was a great
article a couple of weeks ago where Vance was discussing that.
I think Justin Reid at ESPN put it out. You
have to go back and a look. But there was
(25:57):
a great article about that a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Uh, did you think the Moss DP I was soft? Yeah,
I'm you know what I said. I'll tell you what
I said, what it was called.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
I turned to the person next to you, I said,
rather than Moss just got flagged for playing corner while
being white.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
They do seem to just hate him. Man, that that
was the softest, and I mean he was.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
I mean they were almost holding the hands going down
the field a little bit. I'm guessing that's what they flagged.
But that was really soft.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Did you hear Sean Payton's comments on it. I did
not even get test to hear. Something comes today.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
I can't say the word, but it begins with an
A relative to that call it just holy cow, and
it's it's it's something that's frustrating, I'm sure for him,
but he'll keep competing. He's top came back with a
big interception, you know, the one in New York, Well
(27:00):
was brutal. But he'll keep he'll keep competing. We've got
to get better in it overall at seeing and being
consistent officiating those calls.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
And that was something I talked about with Dave Logan
on the Insider segment before the game, that there is
a league wide The coaches are starting to speak out
and they have that same talking point there is that
we need consistency from the officiating crews.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
John Hornball went on a little rant, Yeah you know
about it.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Sean Payton, of course, just just said the same thing
right there, almost verbatim about the consistency.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
It's something that we've got to get.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
This league has got to get a a more streamlined
process and a consistently better consistency at officiating, especially if
you're going to have money changing hands on some of
these calls. You can't be in bed with the sports
books and have something that appears like it could be
it can be rigged because even in situations where you
(28:00):
would think there's not we've seen instances where there's you know,
things chick cannery going on, and so that's.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
One of those things.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
It's really going to get the NFL in trouble here
and going to curb and curtail some of their their
newest revenue stream. If they are unable to get that
taken care of well three h three, then is the
word that starts with the A atrocious?
Speaker 4 (28:25):
No, it is not.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
The word is asenine. That's the word that Sean Payton
was looking for there. It's asenine.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
It wasn't this. It was awful that too, but asenine
is the word that he was going to use there.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Just so you know.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Oh man, Yeah, I've still I've got a lot of
stuff I want to get to in the show. I
appreciate you guys beat along for the ride. We do
have Parker Gabel come off the top of the hour,
Sean Killer in the in the next hour. Get chance
to talk to those guys. Plus, I watch your questions. Well,
what's your guys thoughts on the Broncos?
Speaker 1 (28:52):
How far can they go? Is this a Super Bowl team?
Is this a team of destiny? I asked you guys,
uh your thoughts another or not?
Speaker 2 (29:02):
The Broncos are a super Bowl contender, certainly obviously a
playoff team with what looks like homefield advantage. Now, we
did hear a lot of Packers chants. I will say
this walking into the stadium. There was a sizeable contingent
of green at that game. You could hear it on
our broadcast a couple of times in that first half.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah, there was a sizeable contingtion of pack Now, I
will say this, Dever's transplant city.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
There's quite a few people that move here from there, uh.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
You know, and they wanted the chance to go to
these games. We had a lot of season ticket holders
that figure this was gonna be the high price game.
I'll sell the tickets, recoup by money and have money
for the end of the playoffs and all that. Kay,
smart movie, I get it. But at the same time,
it was a jarring sight the amount of green there was.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
But when the Broncos needed it, when they were on defense,
that got loud, and Grant mentioned it on the broadcast.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
He's like, this place was literally vibrating. Yeah, there was.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
There were two moments in that game where it got
really loud. Uh, and they're gonna need more of that.
If if the Broncos are gonna be that team, they're
gonna need the home crowd to be that loud, you know,
down the stretch at some of these games, and then
and give them that advantage when things are going on.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Let's see here, we got the two to one.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Three says, if this defense is half as good as
they say, then Sean is very, very underwhelming.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
I've always said this. I've always said that, did Sean
Payton's a good coach? I didn't. I don't know if
he's a great one.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
I don't know if he's a Drew Brees merchant or not,
although I will say the way Bo's playing, maybe he's not.
You know, the way Mike McCarthy. Uh, you know, Mike
McCarthy and Sean Payton had virtually the same resume. You
had a top five all time quarterback. You have prime Rogers,
Sean had prime Breeze, got one Super Bowl out of it.
The floor was pretty much seven and nine with those guys.
You weren't gonna you weren't gonna dipp all five hundred
(30:53):
very often. If you did, it be one game. You
gotta be competitive. I don't know about I ring Sean Payton.
There are things about him I dislike, but that doesn't
mean that you should fire the guy. I mean, the
team is winning games.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
If you win, everything else will be Forgott That's what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Like, and that's the thing, sort of like when you win,
the other things kind of get excused. It's when you
lose that those things get picked to part go. Look
at Arizona right now, those fans are melting down about
John Gannon, who's a good coach, and they are melting
down about John Gannon right now. I'm like, guys, you're
in the toughest division in football, sixty three percent of
(31:31):
your roster is injured, your quarterback is on the ir.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
And you're you're sitting here complaining, like who was gonna
make it any better? It's just weird. Parker Gable will
come back. Might just be one of those years, folks.
It might just be
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