12-15-25 Hour 3 of Broncos Country Tonight with Sean Keeler

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Three or three says there any chance of Bronco's paying
insane amount to vance Joseph to keep him his DC.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
I don't think that's going to be the case. I
think Fans is going to take a head coaching job.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
For me.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Believe he's gonna get a head coaching job this cycle,
and the Broncos will take the two third round draft picks,
will get out of that and and go from there.
I just I don't believe he's coming back here for
for that.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
I just don't, you know. Maybe maybe I'm wrong on that,
but I.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Based on what I know, I think he's going to
get a head coaching job this cycle.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
We'll just see how that works out.

Speaker 4 (00:27):
I might as well send him out with a super
Bowl and then I'd say, hey, look from.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Your lips to ask Joseph Sears squad to.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
The ucat it comes forth hotline and bring on our
guy from the Denver Post, Sean Keeler, Sean, how you
doing this evening?

Speaker 3 (00:41):
I'm great, good evening, gentlemen, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
For having me, Thank you for being here. I want
to start off with something that I saw earlier. It's
not related to anything else. I really want to discuss.
But something I saw earlier today that that just kind
of like, you know you're getting old when you're like,
what are you idiots talking about?

Speaker 2 (00:57):
When you see something roll across Twitter?

Speaker 1 (00:59):
And this was some guy and he was sitting there saying,
he said, uh, I think, uh, I'm looking at this
and I think that uh Webby Victor women Yama is
the one guy who could have handled Shaquill O'Neil defensively.
And I'm looking at this, I'm like, bro, I saw
Shaquillo o.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Neo play in his prime.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
David Robinson couldn't handle him, you know, like what Shaq
would stuff Wemby in a locker and not know he
was there, Like what are we doing?

Speaker 3 (01:25):
I did you send him like videos of all those
rims and all those packboards that died for the cause
that was det Uh he would break Wemby in twos.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
I look at this, I'm like the only center of
the only center I ever saw slow shackdown was a
center of a hoop on a free throw.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Yeah, yeah, I was right, free throw this shure U. Physically,
I think I think Wemby is like the size of
one of Peak Shack's legs. If you stuck to Wemby's
you have together, you'd had the base of a Shaquille
o' neil doll. No oh uh. But to your point,
and I'm older you, I think, because I'm a crank,
the old man. It just our attention spans.

Speaker 4 (02:08):
Are like, so.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Sure we our short term memory is a mixed bag. Now,
let's put it that way, and sometimes we have to
be reminded of context. How quick you want on that note,
because that's not why you call it. We had an
intern at the Denver Post and this guy's gone on
to become an award winning writer. So this is not
a dog of him, and I'll I'll leave his name

(02:30):
out of it, but it's along those lines about short
memories and generations.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
He looked at me, and this was full.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Five years ago when Isaiah Thomas Washington, Isaiah Thomas was
on the Broncos sorry the blood was on the Nuggets' roster.
And I said, well, you know, it's you know, nice
guy to you know whatever. I'm like, well, you know
he's the second one to come through here. He's not
as good as the first one or what have you.
And the young man looked at me with genuine shock.

(03:01):
And said there was another guy's career has gone fine,
but he was very, very young. And I came home
and I looked at my wife and I said, I'm
not sure I like so and so, and she said,
I know why, because he's the first intern that ever
made you feel old.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
You well, I just yeah, I'm sitting there looking at this.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
I'm like, man, I saw Shack school dudes like the
game in my Tumbo Alonzo Mourning, David Robinson. You know
the minute Bowl two point zero is not going to
be physical enough here to take.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Out Shack, but Bull Bull might have there.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
You go, oh my goodness, that's good to your voice.
You gets the new offensive coordinator that hire my guy,
Brendan Marion, you know former for those of you guys
who don't know. Brennan mary was a wide receiver at
Tulsa back in the day. Used to uh used to
work out with gust Malls arms you'll see out there.
To his tenure Arkansas and Marian Ledy led college football

(04:03):
and yards perception. The guy averaged thirty two yards perception,
which is insane. You know that season eleven touchdowns whatever is.
His career got cut short by Andrey got into coaching
and he has married up this this sort of off
kilter triple option hurry up, no huddle offense, and it's
it's got a lot of power run to it. It's

(04:25):
it's got some some deep shots to it and passing
and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
What do you think about the Higher I.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Like it again, And there's clor again going on Koa
being being so nice because product and I wrote this
last week. You know the Tim Trant I put in
the paper first. I think there's a lot of similarities
on the surface. I see this with the Shawn Lewis Higher,
which I also liked a lot because you had somebody
who won in difficult places, who ran an up tempo

(04:55):
offense with malls on like elements. Definitely, what what the
Marian system is is very malz on ef. That's an
adjective we can make up on radio and has the potential.
And we've because we've talked about this to be a
successor because he's been a head coach before, like now you.

(05:19):
I think we may have even said this earlier this
month or last month, we talked that it would be
who see you just start getting some plan bs lined up,
just in case, not immediately, not for the near future,
but looking at somebody who could be a head coach
and a good one, air proven one going forward to
see if you have life after Deon Sanders, and this

(05:41):
is someone who could do that. So it feels very
strong Lewis in a lot of ways, and all those
ways are.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Good that it does, and of course he does. He
is the coaching experience of the SECONDO State. He's been
one Sarkeysian staff at Texas. The resurgence are unlv. You know,
Mary's got a bit of a pedigree. I just you know,
I've been wondering why we haven't and you know that
we know why the Seann Lewis situation fell apart there,
but I've in ordering why we didn't get somebody like

(06:07):
that instead of well, right.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Right right, that's and that's what I'm sort of. I'm
dancing around a little bit here.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Instead we instead of doing something like that, it takes
advantage of the natural things that Colorado has, the altitude,
those kinds of things, and getting a go go offense,
that kind of stuff to gas opponents. We go out
and we go get punt shermer. Excuse me, Pat Shermer.
And and and we're sitting here, Uh, we're sitting here
running a variation of a West Coast offense on a
wide hash game in college that it made no sense

(06:39):
whatsoever other than to get Schador ostensibly prepared to play
in the NFL with NFL verbage.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
Well, you answered your own question. Yeah, I mean he
was literally that, and it does bog I mean at
the time it made limited sense. It made no sense
without you do. And frankly, how much this we can
say out loud, there are questions as to how much

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of that excellent CEU offense was pencil Pad. I like
punch Truman, I like that better pad, I must steal
that one. And how much of that was just sedure
doing what he wanted, which was not gonna go over
well with previous offensive coordinator. And that Sherman had to go, Okay, kid,

(07:29):
whatever you want, because you had two of the best
five players in college football last year at this time. Uh,
you guys just do it and figure it out, and
more often than not they did.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
So.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Yeah, and now we're back to kind of plan A.
But I like Plan a SI and and hopefully that
kind of thing you do because in it uh and
with this altitude and it's it's certainly, and this is
gonna be a real digression as Air Force, frankly when
they were good, proved for a lot of years, and
we'd see you proved in the earls. Certainly the early

(08:01):
McCarty era is that you run an option style game
at altitude and with pace, you aren't going to tire
people out, so you know, get on them. I think
that's a that's a good tact.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Take thought with Sean Keeler from the Denver Post on
that note, is Juju the right guy to run this offense?

Speaker 3 (08:18):
I've gotten one note vote from a source who's much
smarter on football than me. I remains to be seen.
Let's let's have put that pin in that one. Let's
just say that's a TVD. But I'll have to think
he was at least tangentially consulted in the process if

(08:40):
he wants what the sweat in two weeks to be
something the portal will know.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
I had had a very smart football person tell me
last week they didn't take him this fast enough to
do what Mary wants to do, but that he could
adapt and that he didn't say it was out of
the question. He just said he was the ideal speed
on paper for what he typically does. But you know,

(09:09):
we see you they improvise a lot. That doesn't mean
that that that that one you know, precludes the other.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
But we'll see talky with Sean Geler from the Diver Post.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
I mean, you know, if you if you've watched this
offense before, it needs a distributor. Quarter You don't have
to be Cam Newton running the option here, but it
needs like an Alex Smith style distributor who can also
rod And so that's that's sort of I don't know.
You look at this thing and I'm like, is that
body big enough? Is that kid for being able to
run this? And anyway I would we'll see maybe I'm
you know, maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Yeah, you can't coach height. That's the one thing would
you do?

Speaker 5 (09:41):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (09:41):
And and maybe there's more there, but taller is not
something you can make in the weight room. You just can't.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
No, they can't.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
They don't have that stretching machine like they do in
the Princess.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Bride or whatever. Rob Ryder r I P there we go,
there you go. I managed to get one in the
night I was trying to try to do.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
I don't know if you gotta want to speaking of his
last one on the Sanders Klan, I don't know if
you've got a chance to watch the Browns debacle.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yesterday.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
But it's so funny because he was having a bad day,
but he had a few flashes in there.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Which is how it usually goes. Hey, he throws a
touchdown to.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Your old friend Jerry Judy, and I don't know if
Jerry was like, I don't know what was going It
looked like Jerry handed the defender of the ball.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
For an interception.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
Jerry. Well, we've dealt with both guys, and one can
only imagine. I don't know. There are days when I
want to be a fly on the wall, say gets
together with Jerry, in days when I don't because Jerry
can be on lord knows what planet, as we know
from time to time. So I imagine those are some
intertant conversations. I will say this, I don't I do

(10:44):
have sympathies for Stavanski and the coaches who are trying
to keep those trains on the track for whatever reason
between the two of them, so when they hook up
great and it works great. Every anthems to your has
been And this is kind of a compliment, if not
a backhanded one, very typical NFL rookie QB stuff like

(11:05):
you said there there, and it's kind of what we
thought it might be. And that you get the bad
sacks uh and the bad dropbacks, and then you get
some really great accuracy throws that did land. It's just
trying to minimize the bad stuff. The good stuff passed
out with bad stuff. As Sean Payton often reminds us
or you are out of a job. So we will

(11:26):
see if he can start minimizing the bad stuff.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yeah, did you see real quick, did you see that
the wristband controversy?

Speaker 3 (11:33):
No?

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Oh, apparently someone gave him the wrong wrist band in
the middle of the game. He was calling the wrong
plays on the wrist band early in the game and
they had to replace the wristband because someone had given
him the wrong wristband.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
You said, Mon's on it. There's a joke about what
about doing the watch thing? Hey, but that's fun. Yeah,
you got to not do that too. Someone who Yeah,
things that might have happened to Let's put this under
the pretty category. Of things that we would have heard
coming out of dub Valley five years ago that we
don't hear about now.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
Yeah, Sean Grant here, you wrote a great article last
week talking with C. J. Anderson, I believe, and talking
about how these Broncos team is disrespected. Do you think
they shut up all the haters this weekend with the
win over the Packers.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
I even shut up some of them. I had to
laugh a little bit to myself at the guys. Who
I mean, you years what you have to use obviously
to get guys motivated, and especially down the stretch. Vegas
lines are not meant its a slap in the face.
They are a business proposition for someone who wants to

(12:46):
get more action on the Denver side, and they clearly
did and it clearly worked. But you know, if if
you're Sean, you take whatever you need to get. But
I think there's there was. It was a perception win
as much as it was a real win win yesterday,
and I think you keep stacking those And now you've
got a month where you've got a chance because of
the quality of opposition and not the Chiefs. You're playing

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pretty good teams and Gardner minshew to make an impression nationally.
It build up the kind of momentum. You know, if
we're using the nut tabs clock, this is your April
now and you want to be running into May full
steam with what you've got, Which doesn't make today's safety
news any more comfortable. But that that was a painful

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game on a number of levels yesterday for both sides.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yeah, well it was interesting.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
I was telling Grant as we were walking up to
the stadium yesterday, it was there was a large swatch,
a large swath of green, a lot.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Of Packers fans in that game.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
And I sort of understand that the premise behind you know,
Broncos fans selling some tickets to try to you know,
to make up.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
The cost and all that kind of stuff. So this
is the highest probably takeing a year and all that.
I get that premise.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
But at the same time, I mean, if you're if
you're a serious playoff team, as this team ostensibly is,
and and everything else, the last thing you want to
see is a loud go pack go chat in the
first quarter.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Of the game that you you know, you're you're, you're,
you're still in.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
No It's it's not a great look, but I've seen
that with Eagles fans too. Maybe it's a green thing.
I thought more Giants people than I thought I would,
and that's not including the ones who were trying to
fight with protesters during the no King stuff. That was
a whole other I did watch some of those videos
and they were pretty good. Yeah, you're gonna get a

(14:32):
little of that at this stage when when you it's
funny because the Broncos internally the AFC don't and not
this season. You don't run into a lot of fan
bases as good as yours, or as big and the
storied as yours, and this was one of those, and
sometimes it leaks in a little bit. I don't think
it's the worst look. I can't speak for every Bronco season.

(14:54):
Taking a lder I know was there in an orange
and pretty proud, uh and knowing to hang in there
late and now they all know they're gonna have to
hang in the plate. It's good for the beer sales
and see what comes out of it. But yeah, I
was surprised. Should you do get spoiled, you know when
you see that this way, it won't be there won't
be a Go Jags go or a Duvall next week.

(15:16):
I'd be pretty shocked at that. Then you've got a problem, Benjamin.
If we heard due ball very loudly early, then I'm
gonna raise eyebrow. Christ Man's traveling. That's yeah, it's gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yeah, I was just saying, if I hear a Duvall
in that stadium at some point, yeah, it's I'm getting
on these I'm getting on this microphone and I'm ripping
this fan base and then what I don't know, Sean,
It always goes way too fast, brother, look forward and
talking to dinner soon.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
All right, any times, guys, stick care God.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Sean Keayler from the Never Post you got an NFL
six packs, We come back, Duvall.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Thanks to Sean Keayler from the Diver Post joining us
in the last say ours left have Sewan on.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
He's a fun guy.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
I think Sean would not be so much of a
villain in media so much if he were on more
radio because.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
He's a funny guy.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
He just likes to push buttons with his articles, which
you know who among us has not been known to
push a button now and again.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
He is hilarious, but he's a funny guy.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
And like that's the thing, like I think he I
think I think the best kept secret is that guy's
not really ability.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
He's a funny guy. A smart guy too, but a
funny guy. And I always enjoy having him on uh
having him on the show.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
I was telling Grant during the break, I was this,
this is college coach who apparently a major college coach
who's been following my Twitter account for like a decade,
and he d M me today and I didn't realize
I had never followed him back. And he was just
sitting there to me and I was like, it was
up coaching, and he said was He's like, if I've
done enough.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Now to finally earn your follow back. It's tough to
get all right followed back.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
If you were on Twitter, I'd be following you don't.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
You're not even on Twitter. I stay out of that.
That's just good for you. But it was one of
those things where and I was just, I mean, you
know the coach. I mean, it's a major college.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
Coach, right, but I think, uh, maybe a future guest
of Broncos Country Night. The producer and me says you
should be pulling that connection now, Yeah, you want to
we want to get him on the show. I think
we should, all right, I mean, I'll tell I'm gonna
he's a great football coach.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Young bright mind. Okay, let's educate our listeners some more. Okay,
all right, I'll get them on the show.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
I was always weird about that man, Like that was
one of those things, like our boss Dave Tepers, like
you gotta open up the black book a little bit,
and like I always mean to, and then I'm like, ah,
this feels weird to Like when you come on a
show from.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
The right, well, you want to you know, you want
to keep your relationship the same well, and when you're
asking for a favor sometimes that changes.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Well, and that's the other thing, though, if I bring
somebody on the show, then people know, you know what
I mean. Like that's one of those things where in
some of these cases, when I bring somebody on the show,
that tells that organization and every other organization that I
know that guy, and so then all of a sudden,
I may not have an anonymous source anymore. When when
people can start, you know, connecting the dots in the dots,
and so there's there is a little bit of that

(17:52):
as far as this stick goes for those asking on
the text line already is not a coach in the state,
as a coach in a different state, but there's as
a college who may messaged me looking for a phone number,
and you know what, this other stuff and anyway, it was.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Just it was just funny because I didn't realize I
didn't follow him back. It was so embarrassing. Oh, let's
get to the six pack. It's time for the NFL
six pad.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
I'm gonna take a lot of beer, insight and insight
information you can't find anywhere else. No.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Six the top six NFL headline on.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
Patrick Mahomes, as we talked about a little bit earlier,
tore his ACL yesterday and his surgery has been completed
and confirmed that he tore his LCL and ACL nine
month recovery window and Tom Brady has some advice some
weird similarities between their two injuries. Tom Brady and his
ninth NFL season and eighth as a starter, suffered a

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torn ACL on yesterday.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Patrick Mahomes same injury and his ninth NFL season and
eighth as a starter.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
On the Let's Go podcast, Tom Brady said, the only
thing you can do is focus on what's ahead of
you and not look back. It's a tough rehab and
just say, Okay, this is part of what my career
is going to be. And a lot of people have
gone through it and a lot of people have overcome it.
You've just got to put as much diligence into the
rehab process. And I always feel like the faster you rehab,

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the faster you can get back to for.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Participating in the sport. Now you know you love.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
What do you think of the recovery process for Patrick
Mahomes And will it be a full nine.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Months before we see him on the field again. Yeah,
it'll be a full nine most we step on the field.
So there's there's that.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
I don't believe he'll be ready for the start of
the season, but should be ready after the first month
next year.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Givers take.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
You know, it's an ACL and LCL that does complicate
the rehab process just a little bit, but you know, overall,
you know, should be right on that nine to ten
month timeline before you're back doing stuff, and he could
be back playing, you know, shortly thereafter. So I would
expect that he'd be playing early October next year, maybe
late September, but I do not belief he'll be ready

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for the start of the season.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
Does that mean no sign Menshoe back you think and
have him start the season.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
I don't know. I don't know what direction. I think
that that the next couple of games.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
A garder Minshew's audition for that, because if not Andy Reid,
go ahead and find somebody, you know, that knows the
offense that he can get in there.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Who knows what the ring Carson Wentz back or not two.

Speaker 4 (20:21):
Former Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger helped take the conversation about
Mike Tomlin's future to the next level two weeks ago
by addressing the question of whether both sides should move
on in the days after a twenty six to seven
home loss to the Bills. Speaking to reporters on Monday night,
Roethlisberger backtracked a bit, just because I said that, you know,
there's a time for maybe some new things. That's just

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saying that. I think, you know, coach Tomlin, he wants
to move on. He has every right to want to
move on. He told this to Brook Pryor of ESPN
dot Com. He said, it's not that they should, it's
up to him. He's earned that right and that you know,
if he wants to go do something else, he can,
and he should and we should honor him when that
time comes. Whenever that is. Maybe he wants to coach

(21:04):
another ten years, that's fine too. What do you think
of Ben Roethlisberger kind of backtracking his comments about getting
Tomlin out.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
Of I talked to about that and absolutely backed off
what his real feelings were the first time around when
he said it, Mike Tomas not getting.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Fired by Pittsburgh. I'll just say that flat out.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
He's the Pittsburgh Steelers just don't do business like that.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
That's not what's happening.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
If Mike Tomlin wants to mutually part ways from Pittsburgh,
then he will, uh and they'll they'll be okay with that,
but he they just that's not the way they do
business in Pittsburgh. And I could I could see a
scenario where he does retire to this year.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
I say, retire, move on at the end of this year.
I don't think Mike tom has done coaching either way.
He's not that old. Yeah, he's not, even though he's
been there a really long time.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah, there's a scenario wherever he head coach in the
AFC North is different next year.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
Have we ever seen a full division of new head
coaches sweep.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
An entire division? Oh, that's a good question. You would
think if that had been done, it would be the
NFC West.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yeah, although Pete Carroll was there a long time, so
it was home run. Maybe they're in the Zorn, Like, dude,
there was there's a lot of turnover that because I
don't know, I'd have to go back and look, I
honestly don't know.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
I mean you saw you talked about it with Keeler
in the last segment, like the stuff going on in Cleveland.
I mean, they have to move on from Stefanski, right,
even though he's been like, what a three time coach
of the year.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Due the thing the quarterback the.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Wrong risk, You got to quarterback the wrong risk. Bank
you everybody already thinks you're sabotaging the.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Guy, right like you, And they're not. They're not deliberately
sabotaging Shador, But.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
You think everybody already thinks that, and you you can't
have how do you print out the wrong play? Like
you can't have gross inconfidence like that, Like you just
you can't and so I don't, you know, I don't anyway,
it's it's frustrating to me. But yes, Kevin Stevanski will
probably be gone, Andrew Berry will probably be gone. Zach

(23:05):
Taylor has a really good shot of being gone. Vans
Joseph would be in line for that job as well.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Be okay with that? In Cincinnati? Yeah, just saying give
me some defense, Well, that's that's what it would be.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
The premise behind that would be, we got an offense already,
Bring somebody in who can who could guide Joe, but
we've got the offense done. Is bringing a guy who
could build a defense. And if anybody has built a
defense before, it be Vance Joseph. So you look at
what he did down there Arizona. He built it from
scratch and then it fell apart. You're four, but he
built it from scratch. They were the worst defense when
he got there, and then here, you know, turning the

(23:35):
Fangio defense all the way back over into you know,
into what he does.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
So real quick, staying with the AFC North real quick?
Would it be Harball's decision also to leave or not?

Speaker 2 (23:43):
I think I think the Ravens could move on and
you know, move him up.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Into the front office as a consult There's any any
number of ways you can do that.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
I think I think his thing has kind of.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Gotten stale there, and I would not be surprised if
they went ahead and moved on with younger Wood.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
Three after the bills awesome comeback win over the Patriots,
helping us out here in Broncos Country for that number
one that.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
I have time in that game, and I was sitting
there with Dave and Rick in the in the broadcast
booth before the game, and I'm like, poy, I was
on the wrong side of his Buffalo game, and Davi
was like, have me too.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
He's like, but I'm telling you what. They're gonna come
back to win this thing.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
And they did, and they did another alien performance from
Josh Allen, but they did lose their kicker. Matt Prater
gonna be out for at least a week and they
need to find a new one. Prader will not play
Sunday against the Browns and his week to week beyond that.
Bill's head coach Sean McDermott said earlier today, Bills will
need to find a kicker, as they don't have one

(24:43):
on their practice squad. There's no word on which kicker
they will bring in. Have you heard any names for
the Bills kicker position. Everybody's looking for kickers right now.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Washington's looking for yet another kicker after their kicker was
terrible that win over the Giants and they been through
like thirty of them in the dan Quinn era. It's
everybody's looking for kickers right now. They're scraping the bottom
of the ball. I'll tell you what, if you've ever
played soccer and you could and you could kick a
football through uprights, go to Washington or Buffalo right now.
They will hire you for NFL minimal, which is nice

(25:12):
to go out there and kick footballs.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Yeah, probably more than you'd make in the MLS. I'm
just saying, like, it's you will.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
They are desperate for kickers right now in the NFL,
which is funny because there's some guys out there that
are just males that they're kicking loger than ever.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
But there's like there's like a good eight teams every year.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
They're like looking for a guy because apparently kickers are
hard to find.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
His quarterbacks, Hey, Brandon Aubrey, even though he missed a
couple last night, keeping me in my fantasy playoff.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
There you go. Yeah, I'm just saying four.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
Well, speaking of Washington, the Commanders are shutting down Jaden
Daniels for the rest of twenty twenty five. Via Ian
Rappaport of NFL Media, Commanders shutting down Daniels as he
continues to recover from aggravating his dislocated left elbow. Rap
sheet notes that Daniels was re evaluated earlier today and
was not medically cleared.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
While the quarter back.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
Expected to be medically ruled out for Saturday's game against
Philadelphia and then a quick turnaround for a Christmas Day
game against the Cowboys, the Commander and Commanders made the
final decision to end daniels second season on Monday. It was,
of course, the rookie of the Year last year, leading
the Commanders to the NFC Championship Game, but things obviously
not going quite as well for our Commander in Chief

(26:22):
Dan Quinn and Jadon Daniels this year and our guy
coach Pagano.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Do you think this was the right decision by Washington.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah, and it was the decision Washington wanted to make
the whole time. Jayden Daniels was leading the jade and
Daniels is coming back. Jayden Daniels pushed for Jadean Daniels
to come back when he did and got hurt. Jayden
Daniels was the one that put himself back into the game.
He should have been pulled out of. You know, this
is a lot of people are blaming the coaching staff
for a decision that the player made. And you know it,

(26:51):
it's kind of funny. It's one of those things as
I get older and I see it more and more,
everybody blames the coaches for everything. Was always on the coaching.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Coaching. This coaching that you see it down in Arizona
right now where their Melton.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Out about that, you see it in Washington, and I'm like, man,
it's you.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Know, sometimes it's not the coach.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Sometimes the coach is covering four players and just takes
the heat on whatever the case may be. And in
this particular case, Jayden Daniels was the one who put
himself in the game. James Daniels was the one that
wanted to come back. You know, Jayden Daniels was the
one that was doing all this set of stuff. Washington
was fighting like, okay, you're a competitor, but we got
to put the brakes on you.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
We'll get you healthy. We'll come back next year. We're
in contention for there.

Speaker 4 (27:28):
By the way, my Bengals no plans on benching Joe Burrow.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
There's a terrible organization. Didn't even clean out the snow
off the seats for the right.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
I know, did you see the others like that's a
violation of NFL policy?

Speaker 2 (27:39):
You got to clean the snow off the seats.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Dude is responsible for that technically, yes, but you know
it's your job to make sure they do.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
It exactly well.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
Speaking of poorly run organizations, has been a particularly ugly
twenty twenty five for the Raiders, who failed to finish
with one hundred totally yard for the second time this
season and Sunday's lost to the Eagles. During the offseason,
Hey coach Pete Carroll said that Las Vegas would win
a bunch that clearly has not happened as the club
enters the final weeks of the season two and twelve.

(28:13):
At this point, though, Carroll does not feel like he's
coaching for his job. In twenty twenty six, he said, no,
I don't feel like that at all.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
I really don't I'm really well beyond that. I don't
feel like that.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
Do you think there's any chance that the Raiders move
on from Pete Carroll after a year nob he.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Goes are two different statements.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
I like Pete Carroll's saying, I just coach, I don't
worry about that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
That's what he's really saying there. I do think the
Raiders are going to move on.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
I do think that there's a very realistic scenario where
they move on.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
You know, a lot of this hiring the.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Pete Carroll, the chick Kells, a lot of us was
orchestrated by Tom Brady who thought he was going to
get bet Johnson thought he was going to get Matt
Stafford and has didn't manage to land eat.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
The one of them. You know, there's a.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Lot of this stuff that the move that Tom Brady's
made with the Raiders haven't materialized into waiting for the Raiders,
and I would suggest that maybe there's a little bit
of a power dynamic that may change within that.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
Organization they move on from Pete Carroll. You think Vans
Joseph is at the top their left.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
I think he's on their list for sure.

Speaker 5 (29:17):
Six her town in three at the seven yard line
two x two formation for Rivers, takes a step three
step drop looking rows.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Inside the five, touchdown for the Pulps, and it's.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Touchdowns across the goal line.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Touchdown Idy Why that call?

Speaker 4 (29:39):
Courtesy of Matt Taylor with w f N I and
the forty four year old Philip Rivers almost gotta win
in his first game back in five years, but he
will have a second game. Coach coach Shane steike And
told reporters earlier today that Rivers will start the week
sixteen Monday night game against.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
The forty nine Ers.

Speaker 4 (29:58):
The game has massive graand notifications for the eight and
six colts. Of course, they started seven and one and
have lost five of the last six games. They gave
the Seahawks a run for their money, Philip Rivers leading
them down the field with forty five seconds left, but
Sam Darnold's answering that call with a field goal of
their own and they lose to the Seahawks. What did
you see from Philip Rivers in his first game in

(30:20):
five years? And are you surprised at all that he
was named the starter for next week? No, not surprised
at all. He's the starter for the rest of the way.
I mean, unless he just imploded and he had.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
The offense moving a little bit.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
It started off, I think he went one of his
first four for like twelve yards, and then he finally
started to get going a little bit. He looked like
an old guy shaking off the rust. He looked a
little chunky out there. He was shot putting the ball
at times and all that kind of stuff. And it's
kind of funny. It's kind of funny to watch as
a guy maya just strapping him back up at their
five years off of football and you know, and going

(30:52):
back out there and do that.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
You know.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
And Philip Rivers doesn't wear cleats, so he wears turf shoes.
So when he was out there and he was dropping
back and the logo which is painted on the field
was a little slick, you could see him like slipping
and sliding as he.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Was trying to hit his drop back and stuff on
a Paul side. Oh, he was so funny, you know.
I I love it. I love for Phil Rivers.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
I think it's funny that he went back and right
as his NFL health care benefits were about to run out.
I meant, yeah, he said, extend him another five years
for him and his fifty kids.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
So, you know, good for good for Phil. I was
watching as much as I could.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
What a what a performance, the old the old man
getting it everybody who wants to strap him back up,
you know a little bit.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Of hope, and I just thought it was great. Yeah,
I really thought they were gonna win that.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
When he had the game, you know, the drive there
and they finished it with forty something seconds left, kidding
that field goal. I was like, I wonder if they
left just a little too much time on the clock,
and they did. Sam Darnold. Course came back and Seahawks won.
And Seahawks are very good team. But could go to Seattle,
play that defense in your first start and almost win
the game.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
I thought that was great for Phil rivers man. So
is what it is.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
I appreciate you guys, Broncos Country tonight back after this.

Speaker 6 (32:00):
Oh congratulations, what a game. You guys came in winners
of ten straight now eleven.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
But you were the underdogs.

Speaker 6 (32:07):
What did this team show against a really difficult Packers
team that were the overdogs