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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Monday, Christmas Eve Eve edition the Hall of Famer Steve
Atwater and Studio, and Christmas Eve eh zach Se gives
back there.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
It's also Festivus.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
For those of you who watched Seinfeld, do any of
you celebrate Festivus?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
What is Festivus? Argue a festivust celebrator? No, I don't,
but I do have the airing of grievances. Okay, we
can hear the grievance a little while.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Festivus was a holiday that George and Seinfeld his dad
who's played by Jerry Stiller, created because he got tired
of the commercialism of Christmas. So there's a Festivus dinner
and you don't have a tree. It's just a metal
pole that sits there.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
And once again it's a metal pole of strength.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Right.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Well though, the feats of strength films after you have
the airring of grievances where you tell everybody what you
what you needed to tell them that they did all year,
oh boy, and then you have the feats of strength.
Get Festivus is not over till you can pin your father.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Who does how many episodes exist of Seinfeld?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yes, I think it's a hundreds, about between ninety one hundred.
I know, I think it was about eight seasons. If
I'm not gonna say eighty to nine seasons, I might
go through.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
I saw from the beginning, man, because I watched them
sporadically over the years, but I've never I haven't seen
close to he probably even.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
You know, for me, the first two well, the first
season only had five episodes because it was a mid
season replacement, and the second season had like twelve, and
then it was like twenty something after that for each
additional season.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
So it didn't hit for me until season three. That's
when it jumped off from me. Yeah, you saw advantage.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Watching well for me once again, this is when I
was in college, so it was like mussy Thursday. So
you had cheers friends and signed for eighty one.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Hundred and eighty episodes, so I was also out of that. Yeah,
it's uh, yeah, it was. That was probably my favorite
because the funny thing about Seinfeld, and we'll get Itto
s Broka stuff here just second, but the funny thing
about Seinfeld was a lot of people were watching that
show like these are four relatable people or whatever. No,
there are four dysfunctional total narcissists, Like like they really
are like total narcissists. Jerry take it over himself and
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he's you know, he's didn't know a new woman every episode.
George is always you know, he's cooking up some skiing.
There are just four total narcissists. And that's the way
the show ended. That's why I thought the ending was
fitting when a lot of people didn't like it, was.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Because I was like, yeah, four narcists got their come upings. Well,
here's the thing about Seinfeld.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
It's built as a show about nothing, but each episode
had something, It had a certain subject, whatever.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Was whatever was peaking Larry David's interest that day for Kurbyrs.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
He's the one who wrote it, and George is based
on him.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Okay, so that's who Jason Alexander's basically playing, is playing
Larry Davis.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
And I'll say this, you know, the draw of it
was when I was in college, everyone was trying to
figure out which character you were. Yes, the same thing
was kind of a friends like as well. Now my
kids watched more.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Eighties and nineties stuff than they did. Yeh six years ago.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
We were playing something, uh, the Cure was playing in
the car today and my kids started singing, and I
had to pull over and I had to stop, and
I said, well, how do you guys know this song?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
And they're asking me how do I know the song?
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Right?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
And I'm wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
It was like Kate Bush running up hill for the
I said, let.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Me guess you guys saw this on some Marvel movie
or whatever. My daughter's watching, like Vampire Diaries and stuff,
and it's and it's coming up, and I'm like, you
guys have no idea what.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Eighties culture was. That's kind of that was like the
best time ever for music, fashion movies. You guys made
that feel that way. But that's how I feel about it.
I don't know about fashion. You said, you know about
depend that's why. That's why we don't know about the fashion.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Pants.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
The fannie pack was was booming in the eighties. It disappeared,
and guess what, it's hot again. You don't see the
kids wear.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
They don't where the fannie packs are brown.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, weird.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
It's like a cross body bag. Now it's still a
fanny back. Not if it's not a fanny pack. If
it's not a fanny pack, no, they just wear across
the shoulders.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
It's a messenger bag. Oh they're white messagers. Now I'm
just saying the bigger bag is the messenger man.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
But everything is cool when it's in season.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Remember when those jeans that were so bad and jeans
those huge parachute pant jeans.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Thus never come back a minute. Apparently you haven't paid
attention to social media.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Oh god, they're back. All you have to do is
chake Billy Irish and what she's wearing. The oversize d
hurdle is back.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
No, No, Billy Eirish really eilishes, you.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Know, Zach help him out. He doesn't know who Billy
Irish is.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
No, this is a Bill Belichick book face moment, right,
there's no way you don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Who Billy Yeah, just mess Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
But but the oversized sweatshirts and then large pants and
like the four inch like shoes.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yes, that's black, it's no. That was terrible. That was
the worst. Late nineties early two thousand style was the worst.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Well, I hate to tell you it's bat Remember one
day because he had those shorts that were big and
baggy too.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
You remember all the basketball player it looked like they
were tripping running down the court they were so big.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Wait minute, I mean kind of big. Well it's big
toe to be honest. Yeah, there's a big Steve Harveys
The Double live.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Like a Batman film that every time, Bro, when you
get your suits dorking Duck's closet.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Yeah, yes, yes we.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Remember, now, I know, I know you talking about the
big pants and they remain famous by the Fab four
from Michigan. You remember what the basketball plants used to
look like, the.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Stock in shorts super tight?
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah, John Josh sockedon was prior socked and shorts what
everybody else running the baggy was.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, dude, it's a basy duke. So yes, this looks
like what's what's going on? You can't even pick up
a ball off the off the floor.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Of the best list when he was when the Jazz
were playing the Kings, when the Kings had Webber and
Jay will Right and the Jazz was Malone and Stocks,
and so it was like viewed as like the old
guys versus the young guys because the new Jason Williams
and Chris Webber was the new stock to them alone,
right and uh, when they were using every dirty old
man basketball trick in the book and they were making
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them young Bucks, like because everybody thought they were too
young again athletic and they were gonna run circles and
they were making them so mad.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Oh yeah, Carl Malone.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Was pinching Chris Weber's elbows whenever he posted up. John
Stockton was like grinding, looked like he was torking, like,
oh you know, like, dude, I promise you here was
the funniest playoff series you ever saw.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
And the Jazz one of two playing old man basketball.
Never underestimate old man basketball.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
In your career, when when you were a seasoned veteran,
did you ever use any tricks of the trade, Because
I know when I first got here from the Jets
and Shannon Sharp was here, he used to use those
little vet tricks to kind of free himself on shallow crosses.
I mean, did you ever use any kind of savvy
tricks to help you out?
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Yeah, I just ran full speed into somebody that you.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Cannot do the old school. They come for your check
for that. Yeah, just just go down here, try to
figure out that angle. Yes, it took off running and
then once you got to the point of attack, and
then am I gonna be disny after this play or not?
(07:40):
That's one healthful to fill my.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Shoulders and everything, or you know that's not.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
A philosopher, you see, audience, I just put it all
on the line to us, I just put it all
on the line.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
But this is why I grew up watching Steve and
going like, hmm, let me see if I could do that.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
It turns out good. Other time not so much. That's
so good, that's so good. How many other players did
you come up? Busy?
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Now? Now do you think Steve would actually remember that? Seemember?
Your cell afish story?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
What's time? I couldn't stop laughing about having that.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
You get hit the hand, going yeah, Redskins man, Jamie Morris, Yeah, man,
I was waiting out there. We get him, man, he
can't run right through the middle of the hole.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
When I woke up, I looked up, I was I
was like, who's on the back that I better get
out of here for a minute. Going on the sideline. Yeah,
let me get what happened. Go on to the sideline.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
They started to check you, and they said he put
up two fingers and say, I'm figuring up back there.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Man, you're throwing up on his shoes while I'm do
I was gonna do. I finished off the game. There
you go.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
It was yeah, we should call it getting your wrong. Yeah,
now you get a six week vacation for it.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Steve said his own hand the way he told this
story back in the day, you know, he was like,
I'm laying there and I see his head.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
I's like, somebody senses like zorro out of my damn.
Oh dude, I'll never forget that. So I was by laughing. Bro,
Steve got me to day. You got me during a
break earlier. I love it. Steve gets a good road. No,
I want him repeat it, but that was good on
that moment. Man hey, it was shot fired for real.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
It just like when in the video games, you know
that where the bullets make.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
That sounds because he's normally he's on top of it,
you know.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
So, but I love it when I but that's the thing,
like some people get mad when they get got.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
I know, I love it. I get a good movie
on me.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I'm like, oh okay, I was to look you gave
me like yeah, my eyes were up.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I was like, are we are we doing this? This
is We're good? We're good. You get that roast battle
going five six six nights.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Heex I want to hear from you guys jovial labosphere
in here.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
But how we feeling? We got? Uh, we got.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
A what might be a make or break game against
the Cincinnati Bengals, caught upon Saturday, didn't finish against the Chargers.
Let me start with, because I've had some disagreements with
some people, let me start with the end of half
clock management of the first half way Sean Payton. I
thought that was absolutely bolt headed to throw a pass
on second down, even if it's a pass to the
running back, Just kneel the football and get out of there.
What are you doing trying to be aggressive? Eighty five
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yards and the end zone was seventeen seconds left. That
led to that free kick that gave the Chargers three points.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Yeah, well you figure he's definitely not trying to give
them the ball back. He's trying to put some more
points on the board.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
To Wyatt, why you had a two score lead, you
get the ball back in the no, No, But he
went in the middle eight.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
You're trying, you're trying, You're trying to put it on them.
And I don't do anything wrong with that.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Oh to me, I'm sitting here. I was screaming, I'm
sitting there at the where we mile post zero, screaming
at the television.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
What are you going? Yeah, like, I just don't great
kid got me though, I was.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
I was, well, people didn't even know the rules, Like
so many people didn't even rule.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I was like, I'm bena watching football. They can actually
do that? Kick it off of him, dude, Like I
was good. I'm saying there, like a free kick, free
kick roll. I'm saying them a free kick roll. And
people are looking at me like I'm an idiot.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
I'm like, no, they're going to get three points here, man,
because I guess what happens.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
That is not too many people who have actually seen
that play. Actually in the last I've never seen because
twice twenty ten, neither time it was converted.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
One of them, though, was Jim Harbaugh was coaching Phil
Dawson back with the forty nine ers.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, so so he he knew. He was very aware
of the rules.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
He was aware the rule because people were asking me,
they were like, well, if that's the case, why can't
most teams try that on every kickoff instead of and
that's the right, But didn't didn't their player push Trey
Monsmith into the guy.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Nod he pulled up, He pulled up.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
What you actually got was the guy who's catching the
ball leaning his knee into Trey mont So you.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Watch a body he's like leading his knee to get
clipped by Trey Mont Smith. You could have got messed
up too. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
So Ben was trying to tell me that the coaching point, you.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Know what a yeah, try to draw you're trying to
draw a flags you.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Tell you, you tell him a fair catching and then
you just lean your knee out and then flop over.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
It's just it's a flop in basketball. It's a coaching point.
But here's the thing for the returner.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
I mean, all rights go to you because you have
to have the right to catch the ball.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yeah, so I understand that part.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
So it's I don't know if a receiver would run
into a guy.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Well he didn't, Okay. So Ben decided trying to say, well,
telling you it's a coaching point.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
All you have to do when the ball is in
fighting you're tracking it, you start to drift particular directly.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Oh yeah, yeah, But once again I said it was
on Tremaine Smith to move on the way.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
It's a boa first of all, Treymont's kind of move.
You can't be that's that's but it's also a coaching point.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Especially I be like, yeah, try to get that flop.
See we can get It's just like the flopping on
the other It's.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Just like trying to play for for DPI throwing the
deep ball when you're only running, you know, catch back
through the defender.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
It's a coaching point.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Like they don't talk about that. We don't talk about it,
but it's a coaching But that's a great play. Like
I said, if I ever coached wide receivers what I
learned from watching this game and more importantly watching Joe
Flacco when he was in Baltimore, I would teach my receivers,
you're tracking the ball. The dB is trying to stay
in things with him. He may take a peek to
find out where the ball is supposed to go, but
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at a certain point he's got to bring his eyes
back to you.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Well, but that's what you do.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
If he takes as soon as you take your eye off,
that's when you put the brakes.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
On and you let him run through you, and you're
going to get the flag. Every time you jump, you
jump back jack through him.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Like Treymons, SMIs mee hit the returners knee and like, yeah,
it almost looked like it was almost play again and
you will come that.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
You will see, oh know what was in But he
could have taken his knee out. It could have.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
But go back and watch that play. And I'm telling
you watch this play with this in mind. Now that
player that called the fair catch.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
Is trying to get his knee into trying maybe he
showed us, so he's trying to make just trying to
make contact come once again.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
The way I saw it is that that returner has
the first right refusal to the pot when it's in
the air.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
So he's he's looking up and he's drifting towards it.
Now in as long as like once he calls fair catch,
now you have to kind of get out of the way.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
But once again, knowing that the game was where it
was right before half, you can't make that mistake.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
You can't sure he knows that, but now uh you
just can't. I can't take those chances give up three
points unnecessarily.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
That was That's Ben's biggest issue. And it doesn't necessarily
just sits there with coach Peyton. He does this with
so many coaches that he feels though in that last minute,
the dude.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Coaches are so bad. Man, there's the end of half, endgame.
They're so bad at it. That's a trigger word.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
But the thing is is like if it had have
gone the way that, if you kneel the football, if
it move away, Sean Payton, I hoped it would go
and we got in the first.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Down strategy range. Hope. It is not a strategy. Nobody
would have said, oh man, he should have he should
have kneel the ball. He's scoring after the fact. Need reaction,
it's not.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
It's the math here is irre irrevoicably when when they
when they ran the pass play, No, when.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
They got the ball back, when the broken when we
got the ball back, Well, we got the ball backs
a forty seconds, I believe, because remember this is when
forty got the end of the session.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
It's fair, it's forty one seconds.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
I'm fine with throwing a pass on first down to
be aggressive, but you lost three yards and your opponent.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
It's not calling time out. The second pass play was
called it seventeen seconds.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Kneel the ball because what you did was create a
failure scenario in which if you failed on what you
were doing, you were going to give your opponent a chance.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
No matter how small the odds you kneel the ball,
it's a zero chance.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
You go into halftime up to possessions get the ball
back in the third with all the momentum in the world.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Ben that he was what.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
I don't know this for sure, but I can easily
see this as being a reason ass to because even
though time was expiring, the chances that the Broncos were
going to get it like an eighty yard touchdown slim
because that's.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Not what they were well, well no, they were not
even going to get a field goal. Rings For me,
I looked at it like this. The Broncos were going
to get the ball back.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
After halftime, So it was an opportunity for Coast Peyton
to use Bo Nicks to add some stats.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
On a backhand for him. Year just just kid what
and and that right there is a much large.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Conversation as far as understanding why everyone is looking at
I'm not saying that is the concrete, but I can
see that that that taking place a Deacon dunk, safe,
low risk type of passes.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Yeah, because some quarterbacks passes short passes are just as
good as run games.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's uh. Look, all I'm saying is
is that at.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
The end of the half you need to create scenarios
where you maximize the opportunities for your uh, for your
your team, and minimize.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
The opportunities for your opponent. And Tean Payton didn't do
that in that scenario.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
He he ran something cold, something that may or may
not have worked for his team, but gave his opponent
a chance.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
You never you want to, you go for the throats,
don't give him a chance.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
With those passes he threw were safe, high percent his
throws onto a highundred percentage, and.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
That unfortunately there they were. They didn't really connected.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Some guys dropped the ball one hundred percent of the time.
You kneel the ball down, you go in there with
a two score or lead, that's the highest percentage you
can possibly get.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Look, man, you were eighty five yards for your ends.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
If you were on the other forty okay, if you're
you know, if you're a close to field, okay, you're
eighty You lost three yards on first down, you're eighty
five yards away, kneel the ball, Hey.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
And basketball, shoot a shoe. Shoot a shoe, we win it.
That'll drive out the quarter. Shoot a shoot.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Well, I mean, when you got a twenty five percent
field goal percentage, maybe it's time quit shooting the man, you.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Half courts. You already have two scores. You're gonna get
the ball.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Back in the second half, right, So you said, well,
what what's the worst that can happen? And now looking
back on at Tremata running into the returner and then
them kicking that free kick.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
No one knew that was gonna happen. Hadn't happened? Come on, man,
what are you doing your agreed? What if Treymond Smith
hadn't run into the returner? No, it was bad. It
was throwing a pass after the first down.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Throwing a pass was bad any which way you slice it,
even if it was comple eat it for a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
It was bad. Process. It just doesn't like, has nothing
to do with touchdown. Would you have been brought it up?
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:10):
It was bad process. We got lucky.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
You would eighty five yard touchdown pass with seventeen seconds left?
Speaker 2 (19:15):
What are we doing throwing there? I'd have been happy
about it. It's not hate. Hey hey, hey, hate. It
doesn't matter who did it doesn't matter who called it.
It's bad process.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
At the end of the day, you want to come
in and it made the difference in the game. At
the end of the the last drive for the Denver Broncos,
you needed two scores. That's why they had to kick
the field goal try the on side. Otherwise they would
have just needed seven. No, we just got to playbout
a second half. Well, there's that too. I'm not saying
some things can be true at the same time. You
gotta play better than a second I've got to play
better defense.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
But as together, except it didn't.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
We lost.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Understand it all works together in terms of like if
you have talk management that is an ideal and then
you don't.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Play well the second half, then yeah, if you give
it away three points, I'm just saying it happened. You
give it if you've give it away free.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Whopper said Burg came one to pay for one. Rocks
Country might be back after this, but it's it's kind
of sad. Like last Christmas, I gave you my heart.
I think you gave it away.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, No, this is not a positive song. It sounds like, yeah,
that's not cold blood bloke you. I mean you you
pull everything into your relationship. He gave it to somebody
who somebody else.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Wow, my favorite all time television so psych during one
of the movies they did after the show ended. Uh,
they got Kurt Smith from Tears or Fears to do
a remake of this song. But they call it like
previous Holidays, so there's no trademark infringing, And there's a
whole music video.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
They got the they got the wigs with the hair
up in the chalet and all that.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Oh it's great. If you ever get a chance to
watch that. I think it's a yeah, it's a previous.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Holiday or whatever instead of last Christmas. But it's it's yeah,
it's that's ridiculous. Roos Country Night.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Nick Fergus in the Hall of Famer, Steve that what
is actually go back there behind the glass like a
little bit about the Chargers. I want to talk a
little bit about the Cincinnai Bengals game coming up. This
offense he is red hot. In fact, they've even in
losses they've been red hot. The Cincinnai Bengals have lost
four games in which they've scored more than thirty points.
That's more than the rest of the league combined. The
entire rest of league only has three games where that's happened.
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The Bengals have had it to four times happened to
them alone. As hot as their offense is, their defense
is to be charitable terrible. You know the old saying
there's no d in Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
I mean, they're right.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
This is gonna be one of those games that's probably
a race to thirty five. If we're being honest and
I race to thirty five. Trip it thirty five first, No,
that wins it.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
You better go up, going up? Yeah, I mean have
you not seen the Bengals offense? Yeah, season, I've seen
our defense, I think is the normal defense. Thirty five
is of Bronco. Discount every senior receiver like jamar Ches
this year. What do you I mean, like with Jefferson
up there in Minnesota. Well, he's talking, No, he's I
think Steve. Are you talking about Broncos?
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Have we seen a receiver like that this year?
Speaker 3 (22:03):
No?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
No, I don't believe that we had Capitol. I'm trying
to think, like the best receiver.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Fifteen hundred and ten yards one thousand I mean played
Mike Evans was healthy when we played, when we played Tampa.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
That's that's one receiver.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I think.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I think your question, okay DK when we started the season.
Now you need to hurt most of her DKA.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
But once again, it's it's not just one receiver, it's
duo for me.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Because I'm looking at you got Higgins, I'm looking at
Higgins and I'm looking at Jamar Chase.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Other than that, no, it really haven't.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
I mean you go, you look at the schedule. We
just really haven't had anybody like that that's even close.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
This is gonna be a hell of a challenge because
go back when the Broncos played the Coles and Jonathan Taylor.
We know it was gonna be Jonathan Taylor and Anthony Richardson,
and those are the two guys that were giving the
Broncos defense issues. And it's like, well, if Chase doesn't
drop that, U not Chase, but John de Taylor doesn't.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Changed complexity of the game.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
So this this week, this Saturday, you get Chase Brown,
who is just as explosive.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
And for me, Chase Brown is a better route runner
right now.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
I mean Taylor has been any better back but I
think Brown is a better back now. Uh, as you
look at this, you know, Brown averages four to four
a carry and his his seven touchdowns on the ground,
but his extra value is what he does through the
air as well.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
You know, when they can have the extension of that
he's had.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
He has fifty receptions on the air, another four touchdowns
through the air. To put that in perspective, fifty receptions
would be second on the Broncos behind Courtland Sutton.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah that's crazy. So you know, yeah, it's just puts
you put you in perspective.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
They've got they've got three players that are over fifty receptions,
Brown chasing Higgins and Mikeoseki at forty seven right there
behind him. They love to throw the football tow down,
but they can run it too. And this is a
well balanced offense. And this they don't turn it over
much either. When Burl's got eight picks on the season.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Is that bad? I mean our defense that bad? It's atrocious.
Defense is horrible, I mean hilariously bad. So should we
be able to score him, Well, that's our defense perspective.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Their defense allows twenty six point two points per game
on average, gives up.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Twenty six point two. What offense scores? How many the
offense scores twenty eight point two.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
The last game against the Browns, they had a couple
of takeaways the whole tips and over those they get those,
So we had a gush. Listen, this is a team
that defensively they're not that great. They know what side
of the ball they live on his offense side of
the ball, so all defensively, and a Ramo is telling
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his guys, all we need to do is create a
couple of stops. Broncos can't really run the ball, so
they're gonna be one dimensional.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
And Trey Hendrickson, you better find him, boy, better find him. Yep. Yeah,
he's been dinged up. I hope. I don't know if
he's healthy for this one or not, but he's been
he's been a bit dinged up. Well, he wasn't dinged
up against Cleveland. Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna tell you that.
He still leaves the NFL in sacks. I believe. I'm
not sure if anybody caught it this past week or not.
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I haven't. I don't believe anyone caught him.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
But there's another guy who we should look to see
how wealthy does on Saturday. Because you talk about Chase,
to talk about Higgins Princeton, there's a there's a receiver
out of Princeton, right named Ashabash. Yeah, right, and uh,
he had a good game against Cleveland, right, and he's
a guy that can run all the routes or whatever.
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This is not going to be an easy game for
the Broncos, and they're gonna need some help from their
offense because if the Bengals dominite time of possession, that's
gonna be a huge.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Problem, a huge problem in the series that they have.
They can't have three and outs, Nope, can't have a
bunch of troup balls. Yeah, been pretty good on the
drop share lately.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
I mean they've been they've they've been good on drops.
But it comes down to me, Steve, what type of
positive plays are you creating and making on first out
because you need.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Those drop startists. Yeah, yeah, otherwise you'll be in what
second and long? And that makes it makes it a
second and long? Yeah. Cincinnati, by the way, I don't
know if you guys watched that game.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
They got out to seventeen to nothing with ten minutes
left to go in the third and they just took
their foots their feet off the gas. At that point,
the final score wound up being a little closer to
twenty four to six or whatever, but they got out
to a seventeen nothing lead and basically took their foot
off the gas started running the ball.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
They were able to use two turnovers to create excellent
field position for Joe Burrow. But once again, this is
where I believe the Broncos defense are gonna have to
show up, because as skillful as the Bengals offense seems
to be at this point, that offensive line breaks down
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at time four sacks, bless you, burd sacked four time,
and and and granted you know a lot of them
had to do with males.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Joe Burrow going into the.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Game has been sacked by one player the most, and
it was Miles Garrett. He's sacked Joe burg the most
in his career.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
They're in the same division, though, I mean.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
But you're thinking, like, okay, at some point, we got
to block this, damn guy. We got a blockle But
this is just like having Zach Crosby.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Yeah, in your.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
This is but at the end of the day, this
this is a question is gonna have to be answered
that the Broncos frankly haven't had to answer all year.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Can you win a shootout? Because that's probably what this
is gonna be.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Boy, and you think you gotta think about the number
of shootouts that the Bengals have had this season, quite
a few.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
We had one against the Browns. I'm just shoot out.
That was that.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
But we won that on defense. So we're gonna have
to have this. I'm just saying, you gonna have to
show up otherwise it's gonna be a train wreck. Speaking
of train wreck, let's goatch to the KOA Traffic Center
and see if there's any car recks out there in
the freeways.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Alright, mat Broncos.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Bengals, then Buffs b Yu Alima Bullets seven full Bowl covers,
three thirty on six thirty k O tann It's KOA.
It's a special Saturday Night Rocos and Buffer react justin
Adams till midnight Saturday Sunday, eight am to midnight on
k o A. Guys, this game coming up, Broncos against
the the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
And I'm looking at this right now.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Broncos came into this is three point underdogs by the
odds makers, I'm looking at the betting totals right now,
seventy seven percent of bets seventy three percent.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Of money on the Cincinnati Bengals. I mean, I can
understand why, you know, just keeping it what.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
The betting public looks think Cincinnati's going, I'm gonna cook.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Well, the idea is that Cincinnati's at home, there's seventy
seven and eight.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
And ideas that they are still trying to carve out
an opportunity in the playoffs. And the Broncos the comeing
off of Thursday night loss against the Chargers, the team
that's beat them twice in one season.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
So the idea is that you have a high.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Powered offense and a unit that's desperate, and usually those
are the teams.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
That come out firing.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
And the question becomes, how quickly can the Broncos put
this loss against the Chargers behind them and look forward
like you got two games remaining, the last game of
the season you're hosting at home, and the game against
achieves that.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
They might not even play their starters.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
Yeah, right, well, because they may have to depending on
what happens.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Uh When When when does the Chiefs that they play Pittsburgh?
The Chiefs to playing Pittsburgh this weekend.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah, and this is this creates an interesting situation where
you're probably hoping that Kansas City wins because if they do,
they'll be resting their starters the following week.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
That gives you an extra bullet maybe in the chamber. Okay,
wait a minute. Even though the scenario, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Saying what all your chips on that, I'm just saying,
among the outcomes, it is probably the best outcome is
probably Kansas.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
City way, And I'm like, damn that outcome.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
I'm not putting my chances on making the playoffs and
hopes that Kansas City beats of Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
So go out there handing your damn busity, go out
there handle business. For if you don't handle business, then
you got to handle business the next week. You can
still get in if you beat Kansas City. And of
course you want the rest of the talk.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Okay, so let me let me go this out there, Zach,
you can chime in on this too, and you guys
listening hit up the text line. So at the beginning
of the season, no one expected the Broncos to be
here where they are. They surprised a lot of people
and they have kind of put smiles on the faces
of members of Broncos country, and for some reason they
cannot get into the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Right.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Would you look at that and say, Okay, well they've
dropped the ball, they've founded with an opportunity away, or
you know what, we gotta be patient, it's still the
young team, or whatever.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
How would you look at both things are true?
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Right, it's a great season because we found the quarterback
and developed him, but it's total failure at the end
of the season. We funnel the way a playoff chance,
and I think that that would be I think the
growth is a positive, and I think missing the playoffs
is negative.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
I think both things can be true at the same time. No,
I agree.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
I agree with Ben, and I think that guys got
to realize that you don't get to the playoffs that often.
And it's got to be important to each and every
person in a locker room that we are the best
we can be when we step on the field, because
guess what the opponent's going to be. That way, you
got to count on the opponent. You gotta gotta come
(31:30):
to the Bengals playing the best game.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
That they can play. Joe Burrow twenty nine yards, jamar Chase,
that's a lot to brow.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
That's that's NDP caliber play from Joe Burrow and what
talks about just allib I'm just think they had their wins.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
I think I think you would be a shoe and wins.
It should be a full man race here for every people.
It's called MDP Most Valuable Play.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Now you have this discussion when I was talking about
my dude bryceon Daily because he had to have wins.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Now, he turned around his house at the other side
of the battle to be told, wait, wait, wait, I
got to be honest.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
The guy bless and Daily had like three passing touchdowns. Hey,
So for me, all it was he's a damn wenning back,
a quarterback, mazas.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
No, you guys voted for Jancey are running back at
number two? What can't wait?
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Wait?
Speaker 2 (32:23):
And he had the same number of touchdowns. Jam Lindsey
was a Luz and this dude had the same numbers
as you must there no Ben, no bro. I could
argue this all day long. This is why it doesn't
have a vote. This is why this is. They won't
let me have EISA vote. They won't let me. They're scared.
They're skin of a change that I'm gonna bring bro terified.
This is a must win though it is. It really
think it's best because you cannot.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Count on you can't coming out of the BIS said
you needed to win the first two because if you
start getting into this thing, you don't what. You can't
count on beating the Cincinnati team that woke up in
his red hot. You can't count on Kansas City having
players out and taking a nap in week eighteen, Like
we're at that point now. Now it's bleeper, get off
the pot and let me ask you this before we get.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Out of here. Steve is not having a lot of
veterans on this team.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Having a very young team actually detrimental here, because if
you have a lot of veterans, they'll understand the sense
of urgency.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
You don't get to the playoffs every year.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Young guys they're coming out of college, probably successful teams,
they're used to being successful a whole lot.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
Yeah, well, I think a couple of the veterans, you know,
Gary Bolese, Courtless, Sutton, DJ Jones, you know we DJ's
your own playoff experience.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yeah, yeah, so what.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
I'm saying, you know, Zach Allen. We have enough guys
in that locker room who have been close and haven't
quite gotten there. When we have some guys who haven't
got gotten close. You know, I have been in the playoffs,
so they know the importance of this moment, and hopefully
the guys will leave it on the land on the
line and trust that those trust those guys that this
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hasn't happened often, that you're in a position to be
in the playoffs, and when you are in a position,
you got to take full advantage of it.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
This is gonna be some problems, but you'll means the
problem really quickly. Here's what I say.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
There is some truth to the fact of this team
learning on the job and allowing this situation to move
them forward beyond this point. But having that playoff experience
and understanding what the moment actually means, that is key.
Some of the guys that you mentioned, those guys a
long time veteran, but they've never been in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Yeah, yeah, but that's a whole that's a whole different
playoffs and this is the first time they've been in
a position.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Steve say, they want to He's what Dad used to
tell me people in the Hall one ice walk, people.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
In Hall one ice water. So I'm lugging you. I'm
lugging some guy in that right now and charge that
million dollars. Tell me what's your water. Go out there
and get it done. That's all I'm saying. We got
Christmas coming, Yeah, Stevens up the Broncos, bring us a
duble Broncos country and might be back after this
Monday, Christmas Eve Eve edition the Hall of Famer Steve
Atwater and Studio, and Christmas Eve eh zach Se gives
back there.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
It's also Festivus.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
For those of you who watched Seinfeld, do any of
you celebrate Festivus?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
What is Festivus? Argue a festivust celebrator? No, I don't,
but I do have the airing of grievances. Okay, we
can hear the grievance a little while.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Festivus was a holiday that George and Seinfeld his dad
who's played by Jerry Stiller, created because he got tired
of the commercialism of Christmas. So there's a Festivus dinner
and you don't have a tree. It's just a metal
pole that sits there.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
And once again it's a metal pole of strength.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Right.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Well though, the feats of strength films after you have
the airring of grievances where you tell everybody what you
what you needed to tell them that they did all year,
oh boy, and then you have the feats of strength.
Get Festivus is not over till you can pin your father.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Who does how many episodes exist of Seinfeld?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yes, I think it's a hundreds, about between ninety one hundred.
I know, I think it was about eight seasons. If
I'm not gonna say eighty to nine seasons, I might
go through.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
I saw from the beginning, man, because I watched them
sporadically over the years, but I've never I haven't seen
close to he probably even.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
You know, for me, the first two well, the first
season only had five episodes because it was a mid
season replacement, and the second season had like twelve, and
then it was like twenty something after that for each
additional season.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
So it didn't hit for me until season three. That's
when it jumped off from me. Yeah, you saw advantage.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Watching well for me once again, this is when I
was in college, so it was like mussy Thursday. So
you had cheers friends and signed for eighty one.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Hundred and eighty episodes, so I was also out of that. Yeah,
it's uh, yeah, it was. That was probably my favorite
because the funny thing about Seinfeld, and we'll get Itto
s Broka stuff here just second, but the funny thing
about Seinfeld was a lot of people were watching that
show like these are four relatable people or whatever. No,
there are four dysfunctional total narcissists, Like like they really
are like total narcissists. Jerry take it over himself and
(02:02):
he's you know, he's didn't know a new woman every episode.
George is always you know, he's cooking up some skiing.
There are just four total narcissists. And that's the way
the show ended. That's why I thought the ending was
fitting when a lot of people didn't like it, was.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Because I was like, yeah, four narcists got their come upings. Well,
here's the thing about Seinfeld.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
It's built as a show about nothing, but each episode
had something, It had a certain subject, whatever.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Was whatever was peaking Larry David's interest that day for Kurbyrs.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
He's the one who wrote it, and George is based
on him.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Okay, so that's who Jason Alexander's basically playing, is playing
Larry Davis.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
And I'll say this, you know, the draw of it
was when I was in college, everyone was trying to
figure out which character you were. Yes, the same thing
was kind of a friends like as well. Now my
kids watched more.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Eighties and nineties stuff than they did. Yeh six years ago.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
We were playing something, uh, the Cure was playing in
the car today and my kids started singing, and I
had to pull over and I had to stop, and
I said, well, how do you guys know this song?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
And they're asking me how do I know the song?
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Right?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
And I'm wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
It was like Kate Bush running up hill for the
I said, let.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Me guess you guys saw this on some Marvel movie
or whatever. My daughter's watching, like Vampire Diaries and stuff,
and it's and it's coming up, and I'm like, you
guys have no idea what.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Eighties culture was. That's kind of that was like the
best time ever for music, fashion movies. You guys made
that feel that way. But that's how I feel about it.
I don't know about fashion. You said, you know about
depend that's why. That's why we don't know about the fashion.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Pants.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
The fannie pack was was booming in the eighties. It disappeared,
and guess what, it's hot again. You don't see the
kids wear.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
They don't where the fannie packs are brown.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, weird.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
It's like a cross body bag. Now it's still a
fanny back. Not if it's not a fanny pack. If
it's not a fanny pack, no, they just wear across
the shoulders.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
It's a messenger bag. Oh they're white messagers. Now I'm
just saying the bigger bag is the messenger man.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
But everything is cool when it's in season.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Remember when those jeans that were so bad and jeans
those huge parachute pant jeans.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Thus never come back a minute. Apparently you haven't paid
attention to social media.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Oh god, they're back. All you have to do is
chake Billy Irish and what she's wearing. The oversize d
hurdle is back.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
No, No, Billy Eirish really eilishes, you.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Know, Zach help him out. He doesn't know who Billy
Irish is.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
No, this is a Bill Belichick book face moment, right,
there's no way you don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Who Billy Yeah, just mess Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
But but the oversized sweatshirts and then large pants and
like the four inch like shoes.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yes, that's black, it's no. That was terrible. That was
the worst. Late nineties early two thousand style was the worst.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Well, I hate to tell you it's bat Remember one
day because he had those shorts that were big and
baggy too.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
You remember all the basketball player it looked like they
were tripping running down the court they were so big.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Wait minute, I mean kind of big. Well it's big
toe to be honest. Yeah, there's a big Steve Harveys
The Double live.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Like a Batman film that every time, Bro, when you
get your suits dorking Duck's closet.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Yeah, yes, yes we.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Remember, now, I know, I know you talking about the
big pants and they remain famous by the Fab four
from Michigan. You remember what the basketball plants used to
look like, the.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Stock in shorts super tight?
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah, John Josh sockedon was prior socked and shorts what
everybody else running the baggy was.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, dude, it's a basy duke. So yes, this looks
like what's what's going on? You can't even pick up
a ball off the off the floor.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Of the best list when he was when the Jazz
were playing the Kings, when the Kings had Webber and
Jay will Right and the Jazz was Malone and Stocks,
and so it was like viewed as like the old
guys versus the young guys because the new Jason Williams
and Chris Webber was the new stock to them alone,
right and uh, when they were using every dirty old
man basketball trick in the book and they were making
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them young Bucks, like because everybody thought they were too
young again athletic and they were gonna run circles and
they were making them so mad.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Oh yeah, Carl Malone.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Was pinching Chris Weber's elbows whenever he posted up. John
Stockton was like grinding, looked like he was torking, like,
oh you know, like, dude, I promise you here was
the funniest playoff series you ever saw.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
And the Jazz one of two playing old man basketball.
Never underestimate old man basketball.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
In your career, when when you were a seasoned veteran,
did you ever use any tricks of the trade, Because
I know when I first got here from the Jets
and Shannon Sharp was here, he used to use those
little vet tricks to kind of free himself on shallow crosses.
I mean, did you ever use any kind of savvy
tricks to help you out?
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Yeah, I just ran full speed into somebody that you.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Cannot do the old school. They come for your check
for that. Yeah, just just go down here, try to
figure out that angle. Yes, it took off running and
then once you got to the point of attack, and
then am I gonna be disny after this play or not?
(07:40):
That's one healthful to fill my.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Shoulders and everything, or you know that's not.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
A philosopher, you see, audience, I just put it all
on the line to us, I just put it all
on the line.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
But this is why I grew up watching Steve and
going like, hmm, let me see if I could do that.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
It turns out good. Other time not so much. That's
so good, that's so good. How many other players did
you come up? Busy?
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Now? Now do you think Steve would actually remember that? Seemember?
Your cell afish story?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
What's time? I couldn't stop laughing about having that.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
You get hit the hand, going yeah, Redskins man, Jamie Morris, Yeah, man,
I was waiting out there. We get him, man, he
can't run right through the middle of the hole.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
When I woke up, I looked up, I was I
was like, who's on the back that I better get
out of here for a minute. Going on the sideline. Yeah,
let me get what happened. Go on to the sideline.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
They started to check you, and they said he put
up two fingers and say, I'm figuring up back there.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Man, you're throwing up on his shoes while I'm do
I was gonna do. I finished off the game. There
you go.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
It was yeah, we should call it getting your wrong. Yeah,
now you get a six week vacation for it.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Steve said his own hand the way he told this
story back in the day, you know, he was like,
I'm laying there and I see his head.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
I's like, somebody senses like zorro out of my damn.
Oh dude, I'll never forget that. So I was by laughing. Bro,
Steve got me to day. You got me during a
break earlier. I love it. Steve gets a good road. No,
I want him repeat it, but that was good on
that moment. Man hey, it was shot fired for real.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
It just like when in the video games, you know
that where the bullets make.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
That sounds because he's normally he's on top of it,
you know.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
So, but I love it when I but that's the thing,
like some people get mad when they get got.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
I know, I love it. I get a good movie
on me.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I'm like, oh okay, I was to look you gave
me like yeah, my eyes were up.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I was like, are we are we doing this? This
is We're good? We're good. You get that roast battle
going five six six nights.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Heex I want to hear from you guys jovial labosphere
in here.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
But how we feeling? We got? Uh, we got.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
A what might be a make or break game against
the Cincinnati Bengals, caught upon Saturday, didn't finish against the Chargers.
Let me start with, because I've had some disagreements with
some people, let me start with the end of half
clock management of the first half way Sean Payton. I
thought that was absolutely bolt headed to throw a pass
on second down, even if it's a pass to the
running back, Just kneel the football and get out of there.
What are you doing trying to be aggressive? Eighty five
(10:25):
yards and the end zone was seventeen seconds left. That
led to that free kick that gave the Chargers three points.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Yeah, well you figure he's definitely not trying to give
them the ball back. He's trying to put some more
points on the board.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
To Wyatt, why you had a two score lead, you
get the ball back in the no, No, But he
went in the middle eight.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
You're trying, you're trying, You're trying to put it on them.
And I don't do anything wrong with that.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Oh to me, I'm sitting here. I was screaming, I'm
sitting there at the where we mile post zero, screaming
at the television.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
What are you going? Yeah, like, I just don't great
kid got me though, I was.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
I was, well, people didn't even know the rules, Like
so many people didn't even rule.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I was like, I'm bena watching football. They can actually
do that? Kick it off of him, dude, Like I
was good. I'm saying there, like a free kick, free
kick roll. I'm saying them a free kick roll. And
people are looking at me like I'm an idiot.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
I'm like, no, they're going to get three points here, man,
because I guess what happens.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
That is not too many people who have actually seen
that play. Actually in the last I've never seen because
twice twenty ten, neither time it was converted.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
One of them, though, was Jim Harbaugh was coaching Phil
Dawson back with the forty nine ers.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, so so he he knew. He was very aware
of the rules.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
He was aware the rule because people were asking me,
they were like, well, if that's the case, why can't
most teams try that on every kickoff instead of and
that's the right, But didn't didn't their player push Trey
Monsmith into the guy.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Nod he pulled up, He pulled up.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
What you actually got was the guy who's catching the
ball leaning his knee into Trey mont So you.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Watch a body he's like leading his knee to get
clipped by Trey Mont Smith. You could have got messed
up too. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
So Ben was trying to tell me that the coaching point, you.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Know what a yeah, try to draw you're trying to
draw a flags you.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Tell you, you tell him a fair catching and then
you just lean your knee out and then flop over.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
It's just it's a flop in basketball. It's a coaching point.
But here's the thing for the returner.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
I mean, all rights go to you because you have
to have the right to catch the ball.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yeah, so I understand that part.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
So it's I don't know if a receiver would run
into a guy.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Well he didn't, Okay. So Ben decided trying to say, well,
telling you it's a coaching point.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
All you have to do when the ball is in
fighting you're tracking it, you start to drift particular directly.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Oh yeah, yeah, But once again I said it was
on Tremaine Smith to move on the way.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
It's a boa first of all, Treymont's kind of move.
You can't be that's that's but it's also a coaching point.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Especially I be like, yeah, try to get that flop.
See we can get It's just like the flopping on
the other It's.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Just like trying to play for for DPI throwing the
deep ball when you're only running, you know, catch back
through the defender.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
It's a coaching point.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Like they don't talk about that. We don't talk about it,
but it's a coaching But that's a great play. Like
I said, if I ever coached wide receivers what I
learned from watching this game and more importantly watching Joe
Flacco when he was in Baltimore, I would teach my receivers,
you're tracking the ball. The dB is trying to stay
in things with him. He may take a peek to
find out where the ball is supposed to go, but
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at a certain point he's got to bring his eyes
back to you.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Well, but that's what you do.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
If he takes as soon as you take your eye off,
that's when you put the brakes.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
On and you let him run through you, and you're
going to get the flag. Every time you jump, you
jump back jack through him.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Like Treymons, SMIs mee hit the returners knee and like, yeah,
it almost looked like it was almost play again and
you will come that.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
You will see, oh know what was in But he
could have taken his knee out. It could have.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
But go back and watch that play. And I'm telling
you watch this play with this in mind. Now that
player that called the fair catch.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
Is trying to get his knee into trying maybe he
showed us, so he's trying to make just trying to
make contact come once again.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
The way I saw it is that that returner has
the first right refusal to the pot when it's in
the air.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
So he's he's looking up and he's drifting towards it.
Now in as long as like once he calls fair catch,
now you have to kind of get out of the way.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
But once again, knowing that the game was where it
was right before half, you can't make that mistake.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
You can't sure he knows that, but now uh you
just can't. I can't take those chances give up three
points unnecessarily.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
That was That's Ben's biggest issue. And it doesn't necessarily
just sits there with coach Peyton. He does this with
so many coaches that he feels though in that last minute,
the dude.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Coaches are so bad. Man, there's the end of half, endgame.
They're so bad at it. That's a trigger word.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
But the thing is is like if it had have
gone the way that, if you kneel the football, if
it move away, Sean Payton, I hoped it would go
and we got in the first.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Down strategy range. Hope. It is not a strategy. Nobody
would have said, oh man, he should have he should
have kneel the ball. He's scoring after the fact. Need reaction,
it's not.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
It's the math here is irre irrevoicably when when they
when they ran the pass play, No, when.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
They got the ball back, when the broken when we
got the ball back, Well, we got the ball backs
a forty seconds, I believe, because remember this is when
forty got the end of the session.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
It's fair, it's forty one seconds.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
I'm fine with throwing a pass on first down to
be aggressive, but you lost three yards and your opponent.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
It's not calling time out. The second pass play was
called it seventeen seconds.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Kneel the ball because what you did was create a
failure scenario in which if you failed on what you
were doing, you were going to give your opponent a chance.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
No matter how small the odds you kneel the ball,
it's a zero chance.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
You go into halftime up to possessions get the ball
back in the third with all the momentum in the world.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Ben that he was what.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
I don't know this for sure, but I can easily
see this as being a reason ass to because even
though time was expiring, the chances that the Broncos were
going to get it like an eighty yard touchdown slim
because that's.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Not what they were well, well no, they were not
even going to get a field goal. Rings For me,
I looked at it like this. The Broncos were going
to get the ball back.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
After halftime, So it was an opportunity for Coast Peyton
to use Bo Nicks to add some stats.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
On a backhand for him. Year just just kid what
and and that right there is a much large.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Conversation as far as understanding why everyone is looking at
I'm not saying that is the concrete, but I can
see that that that taking place a Deacon dunk, safe,
low risk type of passes.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Yeah, because some quarterbacks passes short passes are just as
good as run games.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's uh. Look, all I'm saying is
is that at.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
The end of the half you need to create scenarios
where you maximize the opportunities for your uh, for your
your team, and minimize.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
The opportunities for your opponent. And Tean Payton didn't do
that in that scenario.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
He he ran something cold, something that may or may
not have worked for his team, but gave his opponent
a chance.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
You never you want to, you go for the throats,
don't give him a chance.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
With those passes he threw were safe, high percent his
throws onto a highundred percentage, and.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
That unfortunately there they were. They didn't really connected.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Some guys dropped the ball one hundred percent of the time.
You kneel the ball down, you go in there with
a two score or lead, that's the highest percentage you
can possibly get.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Look, man, you were eighty five yards for your ends.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
If you were on the other forty okay, if you're
you know, if you're a close to field, okay, you're
eighty You lost three yards on first down, you're eighty
five yards away, kneel the ball, Hey.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
And basketball, shoot a shoe. Shoot a shoe, we win it.
That'll drive out the quarter. Shoot a shoot.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Well, I mean, when you got a twenty five percent
field goal percentage, maybe it's time quit shooting the man, you.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Half courts. You already have two scores. You're gonna get
the ball.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Back in the second half, right, So you said, well,
what what's the worst that can happen? And now looking
back on at Tremata running into the returner and then
them kicking that free kick.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
No one knew that was gonna happen. Hadn't happened? Come on, man,
what are you doing your agreed? What if Treymond Smith
hadn't run into the returner? No, it was bad. It
was throwing a pass after the first down.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Throwing a pass was bad any which way you slice it,
even if it was comple eat it for a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
It was bad. Process. It just doesn't like, has nothing
to do with touchdown. Would you have been brought it up?
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:10):
It was bad process. We got lucky.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
You would eighty five yard touchdown pass with seventeen seconds left?
Speaker 2 (19:15):
What are we doing throwing there? I'd have been happy
about it. It's not hate. Hey hey, hey, hate. It
doesn't matter who did it doesn't matter who called it.
It's bad process.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
At the end of the day, you want to come
in and it made the difference in the game. At
the end of the the last drive for the Denver Broncos,
you needed two scores. That's why they had to kick
the field goal try the on side. Otherwise they would
have just needed seven. No, we just got to playbout
a second half. Well, there's that too. I'm not saying
some things can be true at the same time. You
gotta play better than a second I've got to play
better defense.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
But as together, except it didn't.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
We lost.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Understand it all works together in terms of like if
you have talk management that is an ideal and then
you don't.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Play well the second half, then yeah, if you give
it away three points, I'm just saying it happened. You
give it if you've give it away free.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Whopper said Burg came one to pay for one. Rocks
Country might be back after this, but it's it's kind
of sad. Like last Christmas, I gave you my heart.
I think you gave it away.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, No, this is not a positive song. It sounds like, yeah,
that's not cold blood bloke you. I mean you you
pull everything into your relationship. He gave it to somebody
who somebody else.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Wow, my favorite all time television so psych during one
of the movies they did after the show ended. Uh,
they got Kurt Smith from Tears or Fears to do
a remake of this song. But they call it like
previous Holidays, so there's no trademark infringing, And there's a
whole music video.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
They got the they got the wigs with the hair
up in the chalet and all that.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Oh it's great. If you ever get a chance to
watch that. I think it's a yeah, it's a previous.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Holiday or whatever instead of last Christmas. But it's it's yeah,
it's that's ridiculous. Roos Country Night.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Nick Fergus in the Hall of Famer, Steve that what
is actually go back there behind the glass like a
little bit about the Chargers. I want to talk a
little bit about the Cincinnai Bengals game coming up. This
offense he is red hot. In fact, they've even in
losses they've been red hot. The Cincinnai Bengals have lost
four games in which they've scored more than thirty points.
That's more than the rest of the league combined. The
entire rest of league only has three games where that's happened.
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The Bengals have had it to four times happened to
them alone. As hot as their offense is, their defense
is to be charitable terrible. You know the old saying
there's no d in Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
I mean, they're right.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
This is gonna be one of those games that's probably
a race to thirty five. If we're being honest and
I race to thirty five. Trip it thirty five first, No,
that wins it.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
You better go up, going up? Yeah, I mean have
you not seen the Bengals offense? Yeah, season, I've seen
our defense, I think is the normal defense. Thirty five
is of Bronco. Discount every senior receiver like jamar Ches
this year. What do you I mean, like with Jefferson
up there in Minnesota. Well, he's talking, No, he's I
think Steve. Are you talking about Broncos?
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Have we seen a receiver like that this year?
Speaker 3 (22:03):
No?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
No, I don't believe that we had Capitol. I'm trying
to think, like the best receiver.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Fifteen hundred and ten yards one thousand I mean played
Mike Evans was healthy when we played, when we played Tampa.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
That's that's one receiver.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I think.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I think your question, okay DK when we started the season.
Now you need to hurt most of her DKA.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
But once again, it's it's not just one receiver, it's
duo for me.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Because I'm looking at you got Higgins, I'm looking at
Higgins and I'm looking at Jamar Chase.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Other than that, no, it really haven't.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
I mean you go, you look at the schedule. We
just really haven't had anybody like that that's even close.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
This is gonna be a hell of a challenge because
go back when the Broncos played the Coles and Jonathan Taylor.
We know it was gonna be Jonathan Taylor and Anthony Richardson,
and those are the two guys that were giving the
Broncos defense issues. And it's like, well, if Chase doesn't
drop that, U not Chase, but John de Taylor doesn't.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Changed complexity of the game.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
So this this week, this Saturday, you get Chase Brown,
who is just as explosive.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
And for me, Chase Brown is a better route runner
right now.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
I mean Taylor has been any better back but I
think Brown is a better back now. Uh, as you
look at this, you know, Brown averages four to four
a carry and his his seven touchdowns on the ground,
but his extra value is what he does through the
air as well.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
You know, when they can have the extension of that
he's had.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
He has fifty receptions on the air, another four touchdowns
through the air. To put that in perspective, fifty receptions
would be second on the Broncos behind Courtland Sutton.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah that's crazy. So you know, yeah, it's just puts
you put you in perspective.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
They've got they've got three players that are over fifty receptions,
Brown chasing Higgins and Mikeoseki at forty seven right there
behind him. They love to throw the football tow down,
but they can run it too. And this is a
well balanced offense. And this they don't turn it over
much either. When Burl's got eight picks on the season.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Is that bad? I mean our defense that bad? It's atrocious.
Defense is horrible, I mean hilariously bad. So should we
be able to score him, Well, that's our defense perspective.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Their defense allows twenty six point two points per game
on average, gives up.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Twenty six point two. What offense scores? How many the
offense scores twenty eight point two.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
The last game against the Browns, they had a couple
of takeaways the whole tips and over those they get those,
So we had a gush. Listen, this is a team
that defensively they're not that great. They know what side
of the ball they live on his offense side of
the ball, so all defensively, and a Ramo is telling
(24:47):
his guys, all we need to do is create a
couple of stops. Broncos can't really run the ball, so
they're gonna be one dimensional.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
And Trey Hendrickson, you better find him, boy, better find him. Yep. Yeah,
he's been dinged up. I hope. I don't know if
he's healthy for this one or not, but he's been
he's been a bit dinged up. Well, he wasn't dinged
up against Cleveland. Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna tell you that.
He still leaves the NFL in sacks. I believe. I'm
not sure if anybody caught it this past week or not.
(25:14):
I haven't. I don't believe anyone caught him.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
But there's another guy who we should look to see
how wealthy does on Saturday. Because you talk about Chase,
to talk about Higgins Princeton, there's a there's a receiver
out of Princeton, right named Ashabash. Yeah, right, and uh,
he had a good game against Cleveland, right, and he's
a guy that can run all the routes or whatever.
(25:38):
This is not going to be an easy game for
the Broncos, and they're gonna need some help from their
offense because if the Bengals dominite time of possession, that's
gonna be a huge.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Problem, a huge problem in the series that they have.
They can't have three and outs, Nope, can't have a
bunch of troup balls. Yeah, been pretty good on the
drop share lately.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
I mean they've been they've they've been good on drops.
But it comes down to me, Steve, what type of
positive plays are you creating and making on first out
because you need.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Those drop startists. Yeah, yeah, otherwise you'll be in what
second and long? And that makes it makes it a
second and long? Yeah. Cincinnati, by the way, I don't
know if you guys watched that game.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
They got out to seventeen to nothing with ten minutes
left to go in the third and they just took
their foots their feet off the gas. At that point,
the final score wound up being a little closer to
twenty four to six or whatever, but they got out
to a seventeen nothing lead and basically took their foot
off the gas started running the ball.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
They were able to use two turnovers to create excellent
field position for Joe Burrow. But once again, this is
where I believe the Broncos defense are gonna have to
show up, because as skillful as the Bengals offense seems
to be at this point, that offensive line breaks down
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at time four sacks, bless you, burd sacked four time,
and and and granted you know a lot of them
had to do with males.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Joe Burrow going into the.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Game has been sacked by one player the most, and
it was Miles Garrett. He's sacked Joe burg the most
in his career.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
They're in the same division, though, I mean.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
But you're thinking, like, okay, at some point, we got
to block this, damn guy. We got a blockle But
this is just like having Zach Crosby.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Yeah, in your.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
This is but at the end of the day, this
this is a question is gonna have to be answered
that the Broncos frankly haven't had to answer all year.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Can you win a shootout? Because that's probably what this
is gonna be.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Boy, and you think you gotta think about the number
of shootouts that the Bengals have had this season, quite
a few.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
We had one against the Browns. I'm just shoot out.
That was that.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
But we won that on defense. So we're gonna have
to have this. I'm just saying, you gonna have to
show up otherwise it's gonna be a train wreck. Speaking
of train wreck, let's goatch to the KOA Traffic Center
and see if there's any car recks out there in
the freeways.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Alright, mat Broncos.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
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It's a special Saturday Night Rocos and Buffer react justin
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k o A. Guys, this game coming up, Broncos against
the the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
And I'm looking at this right now.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Broncos came into this is three point underdogs by the
odds makers, I'm looking at the betting totals right now,
seventy seven percent of bets seventy three percent.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Of money on the Cincinnati Bengals. I mean, I can
understand why, you know, just keeping it what.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
The betting public looks think Cincinnati's going, I'm gonna cook.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Well, the idea is that Cincinnati's at home, there's seventy
seven and eight.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
And ideas that they are still trying to carve out
an opportunity in the playoffs. And the Broncos the comeing
off of Thursday night loss against the Chargers, the team
that's beat them twice in one season.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
So the idea is that you have a high.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Powered offense and a unit that's desperate, and usually those
are the teams.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
That come out firing.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
And the question becomes, how quickly can the Broncos put
this loss against the Chargers behind them and look forward
like you got two games remaining, the last game of
the season you're hosting at home, and the game against
achieves that.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
They might not even play their starters.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
Yeah, right, well, because they may have to depending on
what happens.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Uh When When when does the Chiefs that they play Pittsburgh?
The Chiefs to playing Pittsburgh this weekend.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah, and this is this creates an interesting situation where
you're probably hoping that Kansas City wins because if they do,
they'll be resting their starters the following week.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
That gives you an extra bullet maybe in the chamber. Okay,
wait a minute. Even though the scenario, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Saying what all your chips on that, I'm just saying,
among the outcomes, it is probably the best outcome is
probably Kansas.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
City way, And I'm like, damn that outcome.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
I'm not putting my chances on making the playoffs and
hopes that Kansas City beats of Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
So go out there handing your damn busity, go out
there handle business. For if you don't handle business, then
you got to handle business the next week. You can
still get in if you beat Kansas City. And of
course you want the rest of the talk.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Okay, so let me let me go this out there, Zach,
you can chime in on this too, and you guys
listening hit up the text line. So at the beginning
of the season, no one expected the Broncos to be
here where they are. They surprised a lot of people
and they have kind of put smiles on the faces
of members of Broncos country, and for some reason they
cannot get into the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Right.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Would you look at that and say, Okay, well they've
dropped the ball, they've founded with an opportunity away, or
you know what, we gotta be patient, it's still the
young team, or whatever.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
How would you look at both things are true?
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Right, it's a great season because we found the quarterback
and developed him, but it's total failure at the end
of the season. We funnel the way a playoff chance,
and I think that that would be I think the
growth is a positive, and I think missing the playoffs
is negative.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
I think both things can be true at the same time. No,
I agree.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
I agree with Ben, and I think that guys got
to realize that you don't get to the playoffs that often.
And it's got to be important to each and every
person in a locker room that we are the best
we can be when we step on the field, because
guess what the opponent's going to be. That way, you
got to count on the opponent. You gotta gotta come
(31:30):
to the Bengals playing the best game.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
That they can play. Joe Burrow twenty nine yards, jamar Chase,
that's a lot to brow.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
That's that's NDP caliber play from Joe Burrow and what
talks about just allib I'm just think they had their wins.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
I think I think you would be a shoe and wins.
It should be a full man race here for every people.
It's called MDP Most Valuable Play.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Now you have this discussion when I was talking about
my dude bryceon Daily because he had to have wins.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Now, he turned around his house at the other side
of the battle to be told, wait, wait, wait, I
got to be honest.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
The guy bless and Daily had like three passing touchdowns. Hey,
So for me, all it was he's a damn wenning back,
a quarterback, mazas.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
No, you guys voted for Jancey are running back at
number two? What can't wait?
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Wait?
Speaker 2 (32:23):
And he had the same number of touchdowns. Jam Lindsey
was a Luz and this dude had the same numbers
as you must there no Ben, no bro. I could
argue this all day long. This is why it doesn't
have a vote. This is why this is. They won't
let me have EISA vote. They won't let me. They're scared.
They're skin of a change that I'm gonna bring bro terified.
This is a must win though it is. It really
think it's best because you cannot.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Count on you can't coming out of the BIS said
you needed to win the first two because if you
start getting into this thing, you don't what. You can't
count on beating the Cincinnati team that woke up in
his red hot. You can't count on Kansas City having
players out and taking a nap in week eighteen, Like
we're at that point now. Now it's bleeper, get off
the pot and let me ask you this before we get.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Out of here. Steve is not having a lot of
veterans on this team.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Having a very young team actually detrimental here, because if
you have a lot of veterans, they'll understand the sense
of urgency.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
You don't get to the playoffs every year.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Young guys they're coming out of college, probably successful teams,
they're used to being successful a whole lot.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
Yeah, well, I think a couple of the veterans, you know,
Gary Bolese, Courtless, Sutton, DJ Jones, you know we DJ's
your own playoff experience.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yeah, yeah, so what.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
I'm saying, you know, Zach Allen. We have enough guys
in that locker room who have been close and haven't
quite gotten there. When we have some guys who haven't
got gotten close. You know, I have been in the playoffs,
so they know the importance of this moment, and hopefully
the guys will leave it on the land on the
line and trust that those trust those guys that this
(33:48):
hasn't happened often, that you're in a position to be
in the playoffs, and when you are in a position,
you got to take full advantage of it.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
This is gonna be some problems, but you'll means the
problem really quickly. Here's what I say.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
There is some truth to the fact of this team
learning on the job and allowing this situation to move
them forward beyond this point. But having that playoff experience
and understanding what the moment actually means, that is key.
Some of the guys that you mentioned, those guys a
long time veteran, but they've never been in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Yeah, yeah, but that's a whole that's a whole different
playoffs and this is the first time they've been in
a position.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Steve say, they want to He's what Dad used to
tell me people in the Hall one ice walk, people.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
In Hall one ice water. So I'm lugging you. I'm
lugging some guy in that right now and charge that
million dollars. Tell me what's your water. Go out there
and get it done. That's all I'm saying. We got
Christmas coming, Yeah, Stevens up the Broncos, bring us a
duble Broncos country and might be back after this
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