12-31-24 Hour 3 of Broncos Country Tonight

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Five, six, six nine zero. He's the text line.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
You'll go right out the Kway common spirit hell hotline
ever be my favorite.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Mile high Mario Mario with Tansy have a Tansi therapy
on Twitter? How you doing, Buddy Man?

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Then, of all the people that I could be talking
Broncos with tonight, you are my third choice. Do you
know what? Sometimes third choices work out pretty well?

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Sometimes they do.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Sometimes that third choice fumbles the clock management in multiple
games and nearly cost this team to playoffs. Uh yeah,
you know, after we got done with the first three
dozen what you're getting at, I'm talking about you.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
I don't know why, like you decided to take that
in another way or what you thought I meant by.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
It, digress, go ahead back, I have I have no idea,
you know, I said earlier in the show. I went
to town on Sean Payton for the indefensible play calling
at the half against the Chargers, in which he doubled
down on bizarrely, but credit where credit is due, the
two point conversion that he did not take, which which

(01:08):
I would have, is a mathematically defensible position. He you know,
the Broncos only need to the tie, so I can't
dog him for that per se, But how did you
feel about the lack of going for two in that scenario?
I think I would have done I personally would have
done it, But not going forward is still a mathematically
defensible position.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Want to hear about the math of it. Ben, never
tell me the.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
Math, Okay, I will tell you this.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
I spoke to several players on the defense just to
get their perspective, not necessarily like because they're the defense
and they have anything to do with it, but I
asked them, if the roles reverse that situation and you're
on a defense that just gave up that play like
basically an impending tie with little to no time left

(01:56):
on fourth down, basically Huckett chuck at prayer, how are
you feeling in that situation? And they all agreed and
said the same thing, like, you're deflated, You're out of it.
You're thinking, man, I can't believe I just gave up
that play.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
Is that not the perfect time to go for a
two point conversion?

Speaker 3 (02:14):
And going more into like kind of what they were saying.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
They all had also echoed.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
The fact that that's something.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
That a head coach needs to say ahead of time, which.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
I agree with, so heading into that puddle like before
that last drive. Theoretically, what they're saying is that Sean
Payton should have told bo Nick, hey, if we go
down and score, we're going for two.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
If he didn't say that, then.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
I guess that's the defensible part in terms of they're
not prepared for it. But to me, in my opinion,
it's not a defense to not do that. You had
really no business being in that game.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
You had two massive fourth down stops.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
The Bengals outplayed you the entire day, and yeah, here
you are.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
You find yourself one possession down to the their the
end of the game.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
I'm thinking Gopher broke man. And not only that, but
Joe Burrow has been absolutely shredding your defense. They sacked
him seven times then, and it didn't matter like he
was still converting first downs, he was still putting his
team in a position to win, he was still scoring points.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Why would you.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Want Joe Burrow back out on that field? And then
I'll post this question to you because again, you could
talk about the math all you want. It depends on
the situation. Like math can never cover a situation like
the feeling of a play that you're coming off.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
Of in that sense, So.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
What would you do, Like, if you're like me, ask
you this, let me post it this way. If you're
the defense, you're not wanting to have to defend a.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
Two point conversion, right yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
No, if you are the Broncos defense, you don't want
to see Joe Burrow again, right well, yeah, and get
there for one way or another.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, I'm with you, and then I prefer to have
my faith my own hand. What's what's the line from
from Gene Hackman in their place at the end of
the game, winners want the ball, right and so that's
that's kind of the Yeah, I know he would he
motioned up to go for two in that moment.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
I probably would have.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
And it's the same logic behind taking a deep shot
after getting a turnover.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Right after you get a fumble or an interception.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
A lot of teams take a deep shot the very
next play because the defense is coming trudging out to like, huh,
we weren't prepared to come out this quickly, we weren't,
you know, and the offense just you know.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
So there's there's some kind.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Of psychology behind the the you know, the the science
of momentum or the pseudo science of momentum, whatever.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
It may be. But there is something too that I
would have gone for two. There. I'm just saying, as
hard as.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
I dog Sean Payton for the indefensible play calling at
the end of the half against the Chargers, and it
is not defensible. There is no mathematical there's no situation
in which you're taking a scenario which your opponent literally
cannot score and you're creating an opportunity for them to
score that is defensible. As hard as I dogged in
for that, I gotta be fair of this one that
I understand.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
The math behind the decision, because even the.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Tie allows the Broncos to advance to the playoffs, which
felt weird in the play in the in the overtime
play Calleague because it felt like they were playing for
a time in overtime.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
That's exactly how it felt, and it was really hard
to watch. And then I'll tell you this, and I'll
share this with everybody listening. My cousin is a special
teams coordinator for the Chargers. They were prepared for that situation.
I had actually talked to him about that. I'm like, dude,
you just had something happen that hasn't happened and what
was it, thirty forty years, like decades and decades that
hasn't happened, right, And he said that he went to

(05:32):
Harbaugh before that and said that they have a possibility
for a free kick like that was something that they
were preparing. This was not like a fluke thing. And
that's the mark of a really good coach is to
be prepared for insane situations that ninety nine point nine
percent of the time aren't going to happen.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
But it's not one hundred It's not one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Of the time, right, And that's exactly what I was
getting out that in that situation, if you kneel the football,
there is a zero percent chance they got a free kick. Instead,
you threw the football, created the opportunity for a time out,
and and ultimately what happened there, and then you know,
you kind of saw the coaching point from the return
man from the charger sticking the knee out, trying to
draw the contact, almost an NBA like flop in an
effort to get that.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah, it's a coaching point.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
You go back, and by the way, there have been
two attempts on it in the last decade, one of
which was Jim Harbaugh with the with the Niners and
Phil Dawson. They attempted the free kick at the end
of the half like that. They didn't make it, but
they attempted it. So Hardball certainly versed with it, and
Ryan Ficking your cousin bringing it up to him certainly
certainly is you know, it is something that he's he's

(06:36):
very familiar with.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
As far as the rest of it goes.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
You know, it's interesting to look at the dichotomy on
the season because, on the one hand, if you'd said
that the Broncos were on the precipice of the playoffs,
they'll win in your in and week the final week
of the season. If you'd said that back in training camp,
I think this fan base would have been nearly united.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
In saying, wow, we we love that. We would be
ecstatic if that happened. However, you raced.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Out to nine wins and the expectations sort of changed,
which that lens. It feels sort of like the Broncos
are limping into the last game here and that the
people are nervous about playing the Chiefs backups and if
they don't win this game, the town like get set
on fire.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah. Absolutely, And I'm glad you brought that up in
because that's something that Patrick Keioti and I have discussed
on altitude adjustment on the webstock Broncos Network. That was
something that we addressed a couple of weeks ago during
our show. When you know they're they're kind of on
this this skin and it looks like they're not playing
their best football. Yeah, I don't want to hear the
hypothetical of well, if someone has said to you at

(07:36):
the beginning of the season, this is a position where
and you take it.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
Yeah, but we're not flashing back.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Like we didn't get in our Deloreans and go back
to the beginning of the year to have this hypothetical situation.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
Expectations change, and it goes with.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
The ebbs and flows of the season when this team
started winning games and showed that you know, not only
are they not a five win team, not only do
they not have the worst roster in the NFL. As
a lot of these quote unquote analysts pegged them to
have very good football team. They're a well coached, coach
football team for the most part, just fit you know
what you might think, Ben they've been there's like a

(08:10):
bad coach doesn't have them on the precipice of the playoffs.
But the point is where they've been the last two
months of the season, expectations changed.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
The expectations was.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
No, we're no longer oh, you know, win a few
games and get you know, Bo developing, because that was
the most important thing that you wanted to see as
a Broncos fan was you want to know that bow
Nicks is your guy. Well you know that now. And
if you're one of these fans that are still questioning that,
I don't know what game you're watching, and I don't
know if you just have a really bad taste in
your mouth over the last eight years, you got to
wake up and get with the times because Bo Nicks

(08:42):
is the quarterback of the future. Hopefully he's here another ten,
twelve to fifteen plus years.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
Like he's the guy you have that question answered.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
Because of how they were playing, the expectations needed to change.
And it wasn't just can they sneak into the playoffs
and they back into the playoffs? It became how do
they become I'm a playoff team? And then maybe win
a playoff game or two. And I know it sounds
like an incredibly monumental task because if they win on Sunday,
they're going to Buffalo. They did win in Buffalo last year. Now,

(09:12):
granted that was a different team and it's a different
Buffalo team, but.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
It's not impossible. So the expectation has to shift.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
And if they somehow miss out on the playoffs, yeah,
it is going to be I think detrimental to the
growth of this team because of how far they've come.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
And again, you can't go back.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
And say, well, if they just barely missed the playoffs
and you told us at the beginning of the season,
we'd be happy, but you wouldn't be. Hindsight is twenty
twenty and you can't base your expectations off of retroactive success.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Well, and that's sort of the thing is the expectations change.
As you taste success, people want more of it. It's addictive, right,
and so as you see some success, you want more
success in the bar gets higher and higher as far
as the expectation level goes. I don't think Sean Paig
is a bad coach. I've never said that, literally never.
I think he's a good coach. I don't think he's
a great coach. I think he's the you know, John
Fox of the pass, you know, a guy that's always

(10:04):
going to have you in contention, you're going to get
to the playoffs, that kind of coach. I think he's
great at rebuilding culture. Looking at Fox taking over for
Josh McDaniels, looking at Payton taking over for Nate Hackett,
I think they both rebuild culture. I'm just concerned that
there are some in game decision making from these coaches
that I feel like has been defermental.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
At times, they've gotten away with it.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
You go back to the Raiders game, look the poor
clock management down the stretch there.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
They still managed to win.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
They got lucky when Minshew got knocked out and rit
Or turned it over. And then sometimes you adults where
you look at the end of the half of the Chargers,
or the decision making down the stretch with the Cincinnati Bengals,
and so you know, to me, a coach on game day,
his job is to put the players in the best
position possible to succeed, and that includes clock management, something
which as we look across the league, is not is

(10:49):
not limited to Sean Payton, I mean Thomas Brown and
that that Bear Seahawks game. I was sitting there screaming
at the television.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
Well, what did you think of Raheem Morris the night
when Atlanta was then Washington. I mean, they snatched the
feet from the jobs of victory. So yeah, you're right,
it happens league wide. And I think this brings up
an interesting discussion on the discourse of Sean Payton, because
weirdly enough, Ben, and I'm sure you've noticed this, there seems.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
To be this massive chasm and people on.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
One side are pro Sean Payton, no matter what, he
can do, no wrong, and on the other side, most
people are like, everything that goes wrong is Sean Payton's fault.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
The play calling is terrible, the.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Game management is terrible, blah blah blah, And in reality
it's okay to believe both things, Like it is true
that Sean Payton is a big reason why this team
is one win away from the playoffs. It is another
reason that you know they don't have ten or eleven
wins right now.

Speaker 4 (11:43):
I mean, shoot, we could even go back to the preseason.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
And you know, I understand, of course, the releasing of
Tim Patrick and a Justin Simmons and you know, and
the discourse then was, well, they're not going.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
To be a competitive team, they got a Clinton House.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Blah blah blah. But don't you think that Bronco's country
would probably love to have those two players. I mean,
you're not gonna tell You're not gonna convince me otherwise
that Justin Simmons.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
And Tim Patrick.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Aren't the difference of one to maybe even three football
games as this year has gone on, So I think
it's important to remember, like, if you're listening, you're a fan,
and you're on one or the other side of this
this Sean Payton debate, it's okay to believe in both,
Like it's okay to accept the fact that, yeah, this
team probably would not be where they are without Sean Payton,

(12:28):
but it's also okay.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
To expect more like and that gets back to our
discussion on expectations, Like, he's raised.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
The expectations incredibly high.

Speaker 4 (12:38):
And so now because he is the one that has raised.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
Set expectations, he now has to live up to set.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Expectation, right, And I think that's a part of the
time with Marvian the Tansy therapy on on Twitter co
host The Eltude Adjustment with Patrick Keyoti and let's talk Broncos. Look, yeah,
I think that's a part of it. I think that
there's a given take with expectations. That's what happened when
you come in and strut around the stage and you arrogantly,
you know, sit there and say, you know, this was
our quarterback. We tricked everybody else into draft and these

(13:07):
other guys, this was the guy. I think he's vindicated
on that, based on the play of Bonnix thus far.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
I think he's completely vindicated on that.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
But it also creates something like when you come in
here and you say that this previous job was the
worst coaching job in the NFL history that has ever happened,
and then you lose to that coach later on that year,
you know, it creates a sort of it creates a
double edged sword. And you know, I think, as I
was telling Zach earlier, I think the city of New
Orleans felt like they owed Sean Payton because he brought

(13:34):
them that Super Bowl really early in a town that
just had not had any football success. I maybe it's
been horrible for years. Denver isn't there, you know, right,
Denver isn't Denver. Isn't that Denver has had a bit
of a drought since Super Bowl fifty. But there's a
long sustained tradition of success under Mike Shanahan and Pat Boland.
And you know, I think the fan base here is

(13:56):
going to be a lot quicker on the trigger than
perhaps the wor Orland's fan base, which got tired of
a lot of these endgame, end of half clock decisions.
Is something that beguiled him in New Orleans as well.
We'll see what is your when we look at this
Chiefs game, got about a minute a half left here,
we look at this Chiefs game this weekend? What is
your projection on this and how what happens if they

(14:18):
don't get it.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
They have to win this game, bottom line, Ben, I mean,
it was a must win game, regardless you're playing a
JV squad.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
I get It's the Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
They still have professional athletes out there. They have nothing
to play for. They're resting everybody. You absolutely have to
win this game, and winning cures everything. If you win
football games, then you are absolved.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
From blame for at least a week.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
They have to win this game. They should win this game.

Speaker 4 (14:43):
I'm not worried about it like a lot of Broncos
country is.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
And maybe that's cause for concern, But on paper, the
Broncos are going to completely outmatch this team. All they
have to do is.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
Go out there, execute, play.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
Clean football, play the way that they have been playing,
and they're going to be in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah, I think that's I think I agree. It's gonna
be interesting to see this matchup. Obviously, got a lot
of Chiefs players that are playing for something. Carson Wentz
trying to rekindle a comeback I'll last, Sam Dartle to
Baker Mayfield, turn it back around, that kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
So it's gonna be interesting to see how that goes. Broncos.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
I think the line is MICUs like nine minus nine
and a half. Now something like that started off. Might
have s eight looking forward to to seeing this, looking
forward to hopefully covering some playoff football after this coming weekend,
and I'll say, go Broncos there who we looking for
a big game from this weekend.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
I think Patsertan needs to have another patzer Tan game
and really solidify, you know, the odds just changed in
his favor for defensive Player of the Year, he should
win it. I think because of the discourse.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
Oh you know, they don't put up a kind of staff.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
That an edge rusher does. That it's kind of become
an edge rusher award the way MVP has become a
quarterback award.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
But there's nothing more than.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
I'd like to see.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
Than Patzertan deservedly.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
Win Defensive Player of the Year with it.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Nick Benito in that conversation as well, though last couple
of weeks with out of sack probably taking them out
of that. Mario, I appreciate the time and have yourself
a happy new Year. Congrats on the new kiddo.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
Man, Thank you man, love you appreciate you having me.
And let's do it again real soon. So you a hug.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
I think I owe you at dinner. So well, we'll
do both and call it even. Mario Vitansy have a
Tansy therapy on Twitter calls the out dude adjustment and
let's talk Broncos Broncos country. Tonight's got an NFL six
pack that cap your evening. When we come back on
Koway Mile, Hi, Mario, Mario and Tansy for Tony. This

(16:39):
the last thing A lot of fun. Always get connected
with that, dude. I appreciate the fact that we got
to do that to close out this year. The only
thing standing in front of us and doing that would
be a few drinks, maybe maybe a whole six pack.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
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Speaker 3 (16:57):
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Speaker 1 (17:03):
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Speaker 5 (17:12):
Ashton Genty bottled up today in the Fiesta bo against
Penn State, averaging well under four yards per carry. Does
this all raise questions for you about gent being the
generational running.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Back prospect in the draft? He's been hyped up to be.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yes, and though I mean this doesn't I have thought
that just because of the numbers, he's been considered better
than what he really is.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
I think there's a group.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Of running backs in this draft that have a chance
to be productive in the NFL, A group that includes him,
Amari Hampton, Caleb Johnson.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
There's a group of.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Guys in this draft I think that are going to
be successful running backs in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Janty is not Saquon Barkley.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
If you're putting him in the generational category like a
Saquon Barkley.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Then then no, I don't know what you're looking at
because I'm not looking at the same thing. He's the
best weapon on a team.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
That was not really have a lot of weapons. You know,
I congratulations on a very successful year. Probably gonna be
drafted in the first or second round of the NFL draft,
and he'll go on to have a decent NFL Caribbean,
decent NFL running back. But this isn't Barry Sanders. This
isn't you know, Furman Thomas, it's you know, and to

(18:24):
be honest with you, Darren McFadden was probably a better
NFL prospect.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Now it's not necessarily going to be a better NFL.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Player, But uh, Saquon Barkley, these are generational guys.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Derek Henry, he's not that I don't believe. I believe
he's a good running back.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
He's he's probably gonna be his best in a platoon
in the NFL where he plays early downs and it
has a third down back. There's a lot of people
that really want him here. I don't, but that's you know,
that's whatever.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
But I don't make decisions for the team. So there
you go.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
But uh, you know, I get asked about him and
Tyler Warren a lot. Both those guys play in this game.
Warren certainly looks like a stud. I don't think Warren's
gonna be there when the Broncos pick. Janty will probably
be there. I don't think he's their guy, but we'll see.

Speaker 5 (19:10):
Yeah, to your point about him not being that standout
of a prospect, I like Jon Robinson a good bit
better than I currently like Chanty.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah, I mean Djhon's a three tool guy that I
you know, Danty's receiving skills out of the backfield are
also something that's that's a question mark, just because he.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Wasn't used that way a lot.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
Two.

Speaker 5 (19:30):
The Detroit Lions Monday Night Football last night had quite
a game. They stormed back from a halftime deficit to
drop forty on the San Francisco forty nine ers, ultimately
winning the game pretty comfortably. Forty nine ers did score
thirty on them, though. Are the Lions still the NFC's
best team in spite of all their injuries? And if so,
do you think they can you know, shoot out their

(19:53):
way to the Super Bowl?

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Well, I'm not sure that they were out of the
NFC's best team. I mean, you certainly have an argument
from the Vikings, and I would put forth the Philadelphia Eagles.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
They're one of the most.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Dangerous teams, and when they're fully healthy, they're certainly dangerous.
They've got the right culture, they've got a winning attitude,
they play good football, they play complimentary football. They're not
they're not an afraid football team. They don't turtle up ever,
that kind of thing. You know, coming up against the Vikings,
that's gonna be a fun matchup on Sunday that everybody's
gonna be watching that football game.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
I'm looking forward to it.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
But I like, I have a ticket on Kansas City
and Philly in the Super Bowl. I got that at
plus nine seventy two, like a week and a half,
two weeks ago, whatever it was. So I took that
ticket just because it's that seemed you know, that seemed
like the way to go for me. Philly is a
lot healthier, they're a lot deeper on defense, and they've
got Saquon They've got a Saquon Barkley. So I would

(20:46):
say that the NFC is a three team race. I
would say that I believe that it is Detroit, Minnesota
in Philadelphia and that the other teams you know, would
have to play the spoiler in order to get there.

Speaker 5 (20:57):
Three Kwon Barkley mentioned it earlier in the show, is
now just one hundred and one yards away from knocking
down Eric Diggerson's long standing record for most rushing yards
in a single season.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Do you think he gets.

Speaker 5 (21:11):
That record, plays enough to get that record, And do
you think Nick Siriani might be risking his job by
allowing Saquon Barkley to chase that record and potentially risk injury.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
No, I don't. I do believe that they'll allowed to
chase the record.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
No, I don't believe Nick Sirianni is in any way
in trouble or would be in trouble if he allowed
him chase that Record's that's erring on the side of
helping a player if they want something and going from there.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Now, Saquan Stake.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Came out and said, you know, I'd like it, but
I'd rather stay healthy for the playoffs. That kind of thing.
That'd be something else.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
The other part of that is Dickerson did it and
got to do it.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Sixteen fourteen games whatever it was sixteen sixteen, OJ did
it fourteen, So if you didn't get it by sixteen,
then did you really get the record?

Speaker 1 (21:50):
You know kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
There's that asterisk and I always revert back to that
kind of stuff, you know.

Speaker 5 (21:57):
Fair, but let's put that asterisk on Dickerson's record done.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Because he did it in sixteen verses which I said,
which I have said for a long time, like does
Dickerson even really haven't ohj you know, was the guy
who did it in fourties, So you know, I think
you have to look at that in the game. Since
we've expanded seasons, do you You almost have to look at
it in a per game average as the record over
a sustained period of time. And while people don't generally
do that because raw yards just plays better at the

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end of the day, I feel like that the per
game average is a fairer and truer way to, you know,
to kind of look at that. I think Saquan will
get the record. I don't think Nick Sirianni's risking anything.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
I like it and staying with.

Speaker 5 (22:37):
Poor, staying with the embattled Philly head coach who you know,
he's been on the hot seat for about twelve months now,
or at least there's been some sort of rumors there. He
got in a bit of a dust up with Zach
Ertz at the end of that Washington Philadelphia game this
past weekend. What do you think of Sirianni's continued presence

(23:01):
in the headlines with off field or kind of weird antics.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
I think he's an emotional guide.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
He let's get the better of him sometimes, but I
also think that helps him out in game situations.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
It's funny to me that anybody would say that Nick.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Sirianni is battled or it would be in any way
close to being terminated. There are five coaches in NFL
history that have a seventy percent or better winning percentage
five total with any amount of.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
Multi year's coached.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
Right.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
That's John Madden, Guy.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Chamberlain, Vince Lombardi, George Allen, and Nick Sirianni. Nick Sirianni
is a better winning percentage of.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
Jim Harball, and Jim Harball is viewed as the.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Upper wrestling Harball, by the way, has coached five seasons
in the NFL as a sixty eight winning percentage. Nick
Siriannis coached four seasons and as a seventy eight as
seventy percent winning percentage, like Nick Sirianni's at the same
level of Jim Harball in terms of winning games, actually
ahead of him.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
It's to me that's ludicrous.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
I don't and can't begin to understand why anybody would
even do that. He's gone through multiple coordinators on both
sides of the balls still managed to just keep churning
out a winning product.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
You know, at the end of the day, is he
the hottest x IS and O's guy in the world.
Absolutely not. But is he a guy who.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Understands being a CEO of a football team, being a
head coach?

Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, yeah, he.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Does, very clearly does, and it's been very successful. I
get that he's you know, a lot of people credit
Howie Roseman, and rightfully so, how he's one of the
best gms in the NFL. But you know, Nick Syn,
you can't get a seventy percent winning percentage accidentally through
through four seasons.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
You can't.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
You just can't, like you cannot do that. So the
idea that the idea that he's just a puppet who
doesn't know what he's doing, and that's not possible. For
more possible, more people would have done it like that.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
Take five, all right.

Speaker 5 (24:52):
And we've today we've found out what the this year's
Pro Bowl Skills Challenge is going to look like. They
have in accuracy and trivia challenge for quarterbacks. They'll be
the throwing balls in the buckets and answering trivia questions
about teammates, catching competition, a few different relay races, newlywed
style trivia game.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Through how Much do you Know about your teammates?

Speaker 5 (25:15):
And punting competition, Tug of Roar, dodgeball, and the seven
on seven flag football game between conferences. What do you
think of this new look Pro Bowl format now that
we're in the second year of it, and what do
you think will ultimately fix or replace it?

Speaker 1 (25:29):
Or do you think it's fixed now? I agree and close.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
I always set an American Gladiators type deal or a
skills and drills competition, you know, the NFL's Fastest Man,
NFL Strongest Man, stuff like that, and you can get those.
You can get those sponsored so easy. You know, time
X to sponsor the NFL's fastest man. You get portion there.
Now you get a free watch and a free car.
You know that kind of thing. There are all kinds
of ways that you could do this and roll in

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sponsorship dollars for it to make it a profitable endeavor
as well as something that is an engaging fan experience
or is the actual Pro Bowl itself never won, nobody
had a Pro Bowl watching party.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Come on, but this might be you might.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
Get it to something like that, especially if you've got
a human interest element, newlywed style game to be fun.
You've got just different patches of content that you can
roll throughout that weekend when you have no other football
going on. And I think thirsty football fans would be
interested in watching something like that, So.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
I'm not I'm not against it.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
You know that the flag football thing, you know, okay, whatever,
but the rest of that stuff might have enough interest
if the right participants are there.

Speaker 5 (26:31):
Yeah, I'm excited now that we'll have some Broncos players
competing and that stuff. I'd love to see part of
the punting competition. You're gonna have a skill position player
and engage in the punts.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
I'd love to see Ronco's getting any offensive line tongue
of war.

Speaker 5 (26:42):
Yeah, you know Zach Allen out there, that'll be fine.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Look, I'm just saying six number six here.

Speaker 5 (26:54):
Following his performance against Jamar Chase this past weekend, Patrick
Sartan has passed up TJ. Watt as a favorite in
the Defensive Player of the Year race. He's how like
minus one seventy five ish, I think I just saw
on the books. Do you think Cirtan will ultimately win
that award? And what do you think of the significance
of PS two potentially being just the third cornerback and

(27:15):
just the second pure cornerback to win that award in
the past thirty seasons.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
If he wins it, that would be a thing. I
think You've got a couple other teammates that might be ahead. Like,
I get the betting odds aren't there, but Nick Bonnito
and Zach Allen certainly have to be in that conversation,
you know, TJ.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Watson, that conversation, I get it.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
But if Nick Benito comes up with a parasacks and
this final thing, or you know, Zach Allen another big
sack day, to me, I think.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
They could lap him. You know, Cirtan, this is mostly
a reputation award at this point. There have been highs
and lows this season.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
He's gutting it out through a sprain ankle right now,
and that's that to me, that's really the big thing.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
I mean, is he the defensive player of the year.
When you took him off the field, the defense looked there.
From when he got hurt, the defense looked different.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
You know.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
I think the last couple of weeks where the defense
has given up a lot of passing yards has probably
got some of these AP voters looking with a with
a skeptical eye at some of that.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
He keep in mind that this stuff is.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Voted on by sports writers who are in different markets
and sometimes don't watch these things. In fact, not every
market has a vote. Do you know the Indianapolis market
doesn't even have a voter. Yeah, the Cult's market doesn't even.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Have a voter. So this is, you know, it's something
that's that's a little bit wonky.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Sometimes sometimes it's a little bit of a you know,
a popularity contest, the same way the Pro Bowl kind
of can be. You you would think that sports writers
who do this for a living would have viewed everything,
but we certainly seen votes and voters from different things,
i e. The Heisman where people will vote things that
we think are ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
I you know, I'm for it.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
I hope he wins it. I'm rooting for him to
win it. I don't know that he would be my vote.
I don't even know if he'd been my vote from
that from this team, certainly he would ge an All
Pro vote for me, first team All Pro vote, Nope,
pants down. But you know, I think he's the best
corner in the league. I think he's best defensive back
in the league. But I don't know that he is
the most valuable player right because even having him out there,

(29:15):
if you don't have a pass rush and he's just
out there covering the whole time, I'm not sure that
that necessarily.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Equates to him have those kinds of the thing.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Plus, teams are shying away from him now, which I
think adds to the value in the sense that you take.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Away half field. I'll a Dion. But at the same time,
it's tough to justify.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
That because you don't quite have the numbers to do it.

Speaker 5 (29:33):
It's hard to get those stats at the cornerback position.
I'm hopeful some of the stats we've seen come out about,
you know, quarnerbacks having a lower passer rating throwing at
him than they would if they just throwd at the
ball every time. Stuff like that hopefully gets they vote
his attention. But it's very tough to do it corner
for a reason.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Yeah, it is tough.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
And then of course you've got quality teammates here who
are pretty good. I mean, like I said, Zach Allen
e to have sacks Coop nine and a half sacks,
Nick but Et eleven and a half sacks Allan who
a thirty nine quarterback hits this year, also has a
safety on top of that, So you know, there's certainly
I think there's certainly a case, you know, you know,

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to kind of be made on some of these things.

Speaker 5 (30:14):
Do you think AP voters will hold that against him,
the fact that he has these really high ntigement teammates.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
I guess t J. Watt has it too.

Speaker 5 (30:22):
But do you think that'll be a weakness to his resume?

Speaker 2 (30:25):
I mean maybe, you know, you'd hope not, you'd hope
that that pressure generation will help him out. But sometimes
people look at the numbers across the board and say, well,
wait a minute, this is just a great defense.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Don't get me wrong.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Patchtan's an incredible player on a great defense. But sometimes
you can get that with that split voting, that kind
of thing. So I hope not you knows sen Lebroncos
Country Night, Benjamin Albrights each secers here with you, want
to wish you all a very happy, prosperous, safe New Year.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
If you're not getting drinks tonight, take an uber. If
you drink, do not drive. Already accidents out there. Guys,
take care of yourself, take care of each other.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
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