August 11, 2024 • 26 mins
Ready to elevate your men's fashion game? Join us on Brunch with Britney as we unravel the secrets of impeccable style with my longtime friend and fashion expert, Jesus. Discover the subtle art of wearing logo-branded shirts and why classic brands like Ralph Lauren never go out of style. Jesus shares his fascinating journey through the high-end fashion world, with stories from his time at Movado and Nordstrom, and we break down the importance of fabric choices, especially for those sweltering summer months.
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
what's up.
Welcome back to brunch withbritney another episode.
Grab your drinks, get ready.
I'm doing h2o today.
I think we both are me.
My guest today, which I willintroduce in a second, because I
brought this guest on because,as well as this is a girl's girl
podcast, it's also to teach mensome things.
(00:33):
And my friend, who I've knownfor years okay, since I was like
a teen, all right, well, he hasgone on to do so many different
things with his life, withcareers.
Well, he has gone on to do somany different things with his
life, with careers, and one ofthe things was fashion, between
fashion and just high-end, Iwould say what would you call it
?
Well, by the way, let mewelcome, let me welcome Jesus
(00:55):
here.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
What's up, Hi Brittany?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Hey Jesus, so I'm so glad you're here.
Thanks for having me.
I'm so glad you're here becauseI was was like who's the
perfect person to talk to themen about fashion style?
What to what do's and don'ts?
You know because you've beenaround a lot of high-end brands
and companies that you've workedfor.
Um, if you want to name any, ifyou can sure.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
So I've worked with movato, I've worked with
nordstrom um, those are like thetwo big ones that I'd say I've
worked with.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
And I know, like you, would get a lot of clientele
too that would come in and, likeyou know, they spend a lot of
money in there and there werecertain things that they would
teach you about, about all ofthe high end stuff, whether it
be from watches to outfits, tocologne, to how to apply all of
that.
So I wanted to talk to youtoday.
For the men who are dealingwith struggling with fashion or
just, you know, don't know whatto do, don't know where to start
(01:46):
, you, to me, are the guide, youare the go-to.
Like you have those answers well, I appreciate that, yes okay,
so let's start with one of thethings for me that I always
notice with men.
Um, the fashion shirts thathave the the logo brands on them
, what, how are we supposed to?
How are the men supposed to bewearing those?
Because some are very, you know, logoed out.
(02:07):
How does that come off?
And what would you say to?
How does that come off?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
well, I'm gonna start off by saying I don't feel like
I'm an expert.
I think that I've found successin like my fashion game just
through trial and error and likeyou said.
Because I've worked with so manyhigher-end brands and around
higher-end clientele and evenjust kind of the people I
associate myself with, I tend towatch and learn from those guys
and see what they're doing,because I want to really imitate
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and early on in my life I knewI wanted to kind of grow and to
be in that space.
When it comes to logos, I'manti-logo anything unless it's
like a classic brand like ralphlauren okay, so wait, because
there's different versions ofralph lauren there's the us polo
association.
That one, I think no okay, umand I will say, like, early on
in high school I was big onbrands with like I don't know if
(02:54):
you remember like echo or likeoh my god echo.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
It was a big one, for sure.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I remember I wanted a sean john track suit so badly,
just to like have the logo yeah,but I think, as you get older
you really just don't want tocause at least for me that much
attention to like what you'rewearing, because it kind of can
distract from like who you'rewith the conversation, if you're
on a date, if you'reinterviewing or meeting someone
important.
So I myself am like veryanti-logo heavy.
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Unless it's, like I said, aclassic brand.
You can still maybe get awaywith Tommy Hilfiger, old school
classic brands that have beenaround for a long time.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
And what style would you say?
Okay, so we're in summer and Ifeel like there's fashions for
every time of the year, butwe're here in Florida
specifically, but in summer it'sa lot of to me.
I think linen is great on me.
What are you wearing right now?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
What is this made out of?
This is like a silky material.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Again summer, you got to know your fabrics, gentlemen
, uh because you don't want tobe a sweaty mess outside or when
you're with someone.
Yeah, like you said, likeespecially on a date too,
because you want to make surethat you wear the proper attire.
You don't want to be sweatingthrough it.
We are in florida, but, yeah,so to me, like the linens, which
I'm I thought that's what thiswas but something light,
something thin and um, thecolors like you're wearing cream
.
What colors do the guys need tohave in their wardrobe?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
again.
For me, it's like causing orcalling less attention to what
you're wearing, to like focus onwhat is in front of you or
who's in front of you.
For me, I don't try to wear toomany colors, depending on where
I'm at right, like if I'm, Itend to dress for who I'm going
to be with or where I'm going.
If I'm in miami, you bring outall the bright all the colors
loud, bright stuff that you wantto right if I'm in naples
(04:35):
having dinner somewhere, forsure, like muted, neutral tones,
one pop of color and likesomething neutral, just like I'm
wearing, like a little bit ofblue cream colored shirt easy,
and it makes it easier, I think,in your wardrobe to mix and
match stuff so you're not likebuying a ton of different shirts
.
Um, and even for me, a lot ofwhat I have I've had for a long
time since, I'd say, aroundcollege, is when I really
(04:55):
started to find brands orclothes that I felt fit my
aesthetic and like where Iwanted to be or grow into.
So for me that that was JCrew.
So a lot of muted, not superloud.
They did have a lot of likefloral and bright colored shirts
, which I do have, but I'd sayoverall my wardrobe is a lot
more muted and not like superloud anymore.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I was gonna say I've never seen you in floral Okay
let me start there.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
So you're clearly not using those shirts.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
No, but I do think that you can use them.
You can get away with them, um,if you do them.
And by correctly I just meanlike, uh, if you're gonna do a
floral, you know, do it with anice color like mint green is
really nice, you know.
On men, um, I think that style,that color, goes with everyone.
The colors to me, though Ithink that a lot of men miss out
on it the typical go-to rightis like black, you got to go to
black.
That's the easiest thing todress and wear for men.
(05:41):
But I think that they'remissing the browns, the creams,
the, you know, in those inbetween tones and um, versus
black gray or blue right, likeblack gray and blue, to me is
the, the, the, the color guysfeel most easiest to grab I also
think it comes with comfortlevel when you understand, uh
like color schemes and like thecolor wheel, like understanding
what colors look good on you.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Like I would never wear orange because I like
understanding what colors lookgood on you.
Like I would never wear orangebecause I look like an Oompa
Loompa, because I'm like fairerskinned right, but like a lot of
the other colors that youmentioned, like lighter colors I
think, work well with my skintone.
So like yellow, orange, red is agood color to like, venture out
with and I think when youunderstand color patterns and
like the color wheel, which isvery basic, you can understand
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how to like make an outfit forwhat you're wearing and where
you're going I will say becareful with the reds, though.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
The reds can be very alarming, like they can be very
aggressive.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
So red looks good, but you know I have read that
red in an interview, like a redtie gives off like a sense of
power.
So for an interview wear a redtie.
Okay, red tie.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Uh, I don't think I've ever paid, wear a red tie.
Okay, red tie.
I don't think I've ever paidattention to a red tie on a suit
, but I get it in an interviewsetting.
Yeah, so, okay.
So, with those colors being inmind.
And tops we're talking abouttops.
I see a lot of like a button-upshirt that you're wearing today
.
I know a lot of men would throwa wife beater underneath there.
(07:05):
Why?
What's the substitute for that?
Right, because what there's?
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I've seen so many men do this I'm only about to laugh
because the substitute is don'twear one period at all I don't
think that they're flattering ingeneral for us men because it
gives off.
There's always been this image,I think, with wife beaters,
where, just like I think of,like my dad, that like comes
home from work, it's sweaty,it's dirty, it's never crisp and
white, um, and it kind of hugsyou and maybe not the most
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flattering areas if you're notlike exercising, which is fine,
um, and I also think, under adress shirt, it just looks weird
.
I always think about, uh,weddings sometimes, where, like
guys will wear a white beaterunder a white shirt and, like,
when you're sweating, it startsto stick to your shirt oh, so it
just looks like I don't thinkas presentable or as polished is
what I'd say so just go withoutit
Speaker 1 (07:50):
without it yeah, because I just think that it's
something.
I don't know what's the reasonis behind it, but I think it's
more of a comfort level.
But it's like no, just take itoff.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yeah for sure.
I think it's a lot, uh, atleast for me, like I feel sexier
, like more masculine withoutone on.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I don't even think I own one.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
I think I tossed those out a long time ago
because you just realize thatyou don't need those.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
You don't need them Now.
Okay, buttons, because there isa level of like.
Where do you where'sappropriate for the buttons to
be unbuttoned?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Depends on the shirt.
I would say max two.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Max, two unbuttoned.
Unbuttoned, like today.
You have how many?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
One, one unbuttoned, but this is more of like a
dressier shirt.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Like if I'm hitting the club, we're going to take
two down, or if I'm wearing afloral shirt, I'll take two down
for sure.
And I think it also dependsagain on the atmosphere.
When you have one undone, it'sa little bit more refined or
polished, whereas, like if itthat, depending on where you're
at or who you're with, I see,okay, but any.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Anytime.
You know, if the unbuttoning isgoing down to the middle of the
chest like it's obnoxious, Idon't care how good your body is
, I don't care what you're.
If you look like David Beckham,it's tacky, it's very like,
like run away from them.
Red flag, I would say.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Don't do it.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Don't you know, the easy thing I think is jeans, I
guess maybe slacks.
I mean, every man should haveslacks, right?
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, so what do you suggest for the box?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I'm big into trousers , so they're more fitted dress
pants or even like a pair ofchinos.
They're not as dressy as maybeslacks are, but they're a little
bit more polished than maybewearing jeans are.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Trousers go like above your knee, or those pants?
No, trousers go like above yourknee, or those pants no,
they're pants.
Oh, they are pants.
Yeah, but trousers seem to bemore fitted or tailored to your
body.
Okay, are they?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
they sound a little more like like a casual,
comfortable, but still elevatedlook for sure, okay, and I think
brands like lululemon makereally good ones where you can
dress them up or down and againlike jeans, casual.
But if you want to go somewherenicer like there, you can.
You can still dress them up,but it's not.
It doesn't have the same impact, I think at least.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Okay, Now jeans, I don't care if it's a light or
dark wash.
Does that?
Is that something that theyshould consider Like?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I tend to like light washes, but that's just
preference, because, as theytend to wash, you have to think
about longevity.
With clothes At least, I thinkabout that.
Like darker washes are going tostart to fade.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, so if you have, a lighter wash.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
It's going to, I think, wear more naturally and
just look better.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I remember like being told like if you put your pants
inside out, your jeans insideout and wash them, that they
don't fade as quick.
And I still don't know ifthat's true, but I've always
just washed my pants like that.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
I'm not sure I've gotten a little bit pickier, as
I've dry clean even to my jeansnow oh, okay, I'm still washing
mine.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
So they're going in the laundry.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
That's fine, but again I think as much as I've
spent on clothes.
I don't shop anymore reallyhardly, if ever, because I've
invested so much time in betterquality clothing.
I think of this saying buy lessbut better, um, so I'd rather
invest in like a good pair ofjeans that I know is going to
last me a long time, yes, um no,I'm the same way, like I had to
learn that the hard way.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I was doing fast fashion and, oh my god, like the
clothes don't last one and ahalf washes.
Uh, light, uh, what is it?
The the light cycle delicates,but yeah, so that's important,
to have those core pieces thatare gonna last you a long time.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Um, belts, like I don't wear belts again as I've
gotten older, one of, I think,my biggest I wouldn't say hacks
or secrets that has made me feelcomfortable.
And then maybe people tend tolook to me for fashion advices.
I get, I'd say, almost all ofmy clothes tailored, unless it
already fits me from when Ibought it.
So, like this shirt, I boughtit at a thrift store but most
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people would think I spend a lotof money, but again, I paid $5
for it and I paid to have ittailored.
One.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
It helps me feel better because it's suited to my
figure and it also helps mekeep my health and weight in
check because I'm like I alreadyspent this money on all these
clothes I own.
I don't want to gain weight.
You think I can't change?
Because, yeah, I guess, was itjust through working in retail
(11:51):
that I learned you to learn yourfit, what looks good on you?
Or because you can go by yourown eye, but that is not always
going to work, like you had togo to a second opinion and be
like does this actually lookgood on me?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
I'm for sure the guy in a store that's like calling
the girls.
I'm like, does this look good?
I think at this stage in mylife I know what works well with
my body and what doesn't.
But again, because I understandmy style, like I tend to be
more polished, refined, moretailored looks than I would like
a baggy pair of jeans or anoversized shirt, Because it's
just like not my vibe.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Have you seen the way Justin Bieber has been dressing
lately?
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I mean, it's Justin Bieber.
He can get away with whateverhe wants.
No, he cannot.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Justin Bieber, he can get away with whatever he wants
.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
No, he cannot, but I think it would be cool if he
went back to just like youngerJustin, I think he did wear a
lot more not as big or baggyclothes.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Everything's baggy, everything's oversized.
I thought it was a phase he'sstill going through it.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
And I think for me he's married to Hailey Like
she's put together, and I thinka lot of the times people are
like why are you always dressedup or be more casual?
For me, when I dress up, it'sless about me and more about who
I'm going to be with.
It's out of respect for thatperson and who I'm meeting with,
even if we're just having lunch.
I always think about if, likewhen you go to an interview,
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you're not going to be dressedin like clothes you would
probably wear at home, but it'sout of respect for the
interviewer and the company youwant to work for, when I'm
having lunch or going out on adate, like the respect that I
have for that woman or friendI'm meeting with.
That's why I dress up a littlebit more to show them like they
may not notice or care, but Idress up for that person, to
show them like, hey, a sign ofrespect, like I'm giving you my
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best.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
That's really thoughtful, you know, and that's
obviously the best way to goabout it, whether you're meeting
a date or going on an interview, because I've had girlfriends
where I remember one girl wenton a date and she told me he
showed up sweaty, like alreadysweaty, you know, like I mean so
not everybody takes thatconsideration where it's like
you really didn't shower beforeyou went on a date.
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You didn't do that.
You know another friend too,where he came in a suit but she
could tell he hadn't like friendtoo, where he came in a suit
but she could tell he hadn'tlike it was, he was out all day.
You know, like he showed upnice, but it didn't smell clean.
And it's again like you shouldhave thought of that, like what
are you, what are you, what arewe doing here?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
absolutely and, like you said, I think it's really
about intention, like if thisdate or this relationship or
meeting or whatever it is thatyou're doing when you meet with
someone, is important to you,then you'll make the extra
effort to give your best,regardless of like.
You don't need to be in a suit,you don't need to be super
dressed up to the nines, butjust like iron your clothes, put
on some deodorant, some cologne, take a shower, brush your hair
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right, but if you're meetingwith me, definitely dress to the
night absolutely don't, don'tcome, baggy, don't come.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Any of that come correct, no, but and then yeah,
so with the, those are thebottoms shoes.
Though what are we?
What like are what's the shoethat a man should never wear as
like their go to shoe on thedaily flip?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
flops.
I actually don't own a singlepair of sandals.
No, I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
We're in Florida, though.
I mean you kind of got to wearflip flops once in a while.
The beach.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
You wear a boat shoe.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Oh, I do love the boat shoe look, yes, okay,
that's true, and again, I think,when it comes to shoes, you
don't need 15 pairs of shoes.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I think I have the same rotation of four or five
sets of shoes and what would yousay?
Those are so I have a chelseaboot what the hell?
Speaker 1 (15:02):
what is that?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
a boot that just comes up to your ankle, oh okay,
I've seen those.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Uh, do you need it in like brown and black?
Do you need it?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I have mine just in like a camel tan brown color.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I have a loafer.
I have more loafers, I think,than anything.
Same thing, different tones ofbrown.
A boat shoe I do have a workout, nicer sneaker that I would
wear, maybe if I'm like runningerrands or something.
But I'd say those are like andlike a dress shoe for like when,
I really need to put on a suitor dress up a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Well, they're not going to let you in the club if
you don't have a dress shoe.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
So those are your five.
That's all you need.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
No, I think that is.
That's good.
Yeah, the low first.
Definitely one dress shoe, butI would even say, get two dress
shoes, that.
But the brown is so important.
A lot of men are missing thatbrown dress shoe and it makes
your outfit.
With the blues, I think itmakes them pop more, so you
already have those blues in yourcloset, even the blacks.
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Instead of doing black on black, the brown kind of brightens it
up, elevates it.
So, it's not so obvious of onecolor block your jean and then
the same color.
Uh, you know, even if you do adifferent color, pant slacks
like you don't want it to be.
I don't like the block lookanymore.
I think you got to add thestyle to it you know and layer
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it in in a way, if you can yeah,totally, and I think, like you
said, brown compliments, I'd saymost all colors, especially
like the brighter ones.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
So if you have like something bright or a little bit
louder, you can like tone itdown with like a brown shoe or a
brown set of pants.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Let's go with.
For me, I know, like jewelry,okay, Jewelry on men, Like what
is the basic line?
Every man should have that kindof like.
You know, it's more of anelevated like.
I'm a man versus.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I'm a boy For sure, so definitely like none of the
little plastic rubbery watches.
I hate those like a g-shockwatch.
Unless you're like I don't know, a teenager, don't wear those,
okay.
But for me I think jewelry'scome a long way for men,
especially because I thinkbefore men didn't really wear a
lot of jewelry, but now I see alot of guys like wearing
bracelets or necklaces.
Um, rings now too, especiallyfor me.
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I'm all about just simple stuff, so a watch a bracelet, maybe a
necklace kind of tucked insomewhere.
And again, depending on whereI'm going, maybe I'll throw on a
pinky ring, just show a littlebit of flash there.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah, yeah, I like that yeah but I take for sure.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
I think the one thing every guy needs for sure for
jewelry is just a watch, and itdoesn't have to be some crazy
expensive watch, but just a nicecasual and or dress watch if
you can get both that you can.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Now, what place would you recommend for that?
First, for a guy who's likebuild remember this is.
These are mostly the guys whodon't know how to dress or don't
know where to start.
Maybe they do.
They're not gonna go for thatexpensive watch.
What's a good, solid watch?
That's again a grown man versus, like you know.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I'm biased, so because I worked at Movado, I've
always liked that brand.
Only because it's been aroundfor a long time.
It's not super loud, it'srecognizable, the quality is
there.
I think that's the other thing.
When you're buying thesewatches or anything in general,
right, you want to think about.
Do I want to buy one thingthat's going to last me a long
time, pay a little bit more?
Or buy a bunch of cheap littlethings that I have to change the
battery or it's not working orit doesn't wear well over time?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yeah, oh my God, I have seen a guy wear a watch
that wasn't working.
I realize that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
And girls.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
People notice those types of things right, yes, so
it's not so much about the brand, but it's more about quality or
how you take care of things toookay, now let's go to scent,
because I think that that youknow applying even for women,
applying a scent to yourself.
There's ways to do it andyou've worked actually with
scents and you've had to sellthose.
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They had to teach you how tosell those right.
So, like what went, and youwere working where when that,
when they were at nordstrom, atnordstrom.
So they taught you likecolognes and perfumes, or just
colognes.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Mostly just colognes.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Okay, so as a man, like what were they kind of
telling you the scents thatmaybe were more popular, because
everybody's different Totally.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Scents, I think is one of like the hardest things
to figure out, because it'sreally based on the individual.
I might like a scent but it maynot suit or fit someone else.
Yes, I think one of the biggestthings I learned.
I wish I remember her name.
I was at Neiman Marcus in Tampain undergrad and this French
lady that was working behind thebeauty counter or whatever, was
educating me on how to applyscents, because most people
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these days apply it on top oftheir clothes.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
And I remember she told me she's like when you
sweat, you're sweating out ofyour pores, not through your
clothes.
So if you apply the scent onyour skin, especially after,
like, you shower, because yourpores are more open, the scent
tends to stick into your skinand it lasts longer.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I did hear that, and that's the thing, though I will
say.
I always forget that partbecause I'm like rushing or
something and I'm already.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
You know, by the time I'm dressed, I'm throwing it on
top of my clothes, like mostnine times out of ten I'm doing
that, yeah and I think peopletend to at least in my
experience remember scents morebecause it's naturally coming
out of your skin, like if theyhug you or xyz if you're kissing
you like you can smell thescent yeah, yeah I'm also big on
not having multiple scents.
I think I've only had like twoor three colognes in my lifetime
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because I found one that I feltfit me.
It used to be like this littleDior cologne that they had at
Macy's.
They stopped making it and then, as I came up a little bit, I
started buying nicer ones.
So I buy, like at Neiman Marcus, the same one and it's a scent
that I get compliments on allthe time.
It's unique and it's to me notsuper loud, it's not like very
floral-y either.
It's like the scent I alwayswanted.
(20:25):
Like when I walk by peoplewould be like, hmm, that smells
good, but like it's not like alingering scent or like super
loud, like some Axe spray typeof thing.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Oh my God, no Axe spray.
That literally needs to bebanned.
Don't do it.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
It needs to be banned okay, I'm honestly surprised
they're still in business.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Yeah, no, and they are, and they're doing well I
was going to say they're kind ofthriving, they're thriving?
yeah, I'm hoping it's justbecause the teen boys are buying
it up and they don't know anybetter.
Like for me, I think that howis it with cologne?
As far as, like, how manysprays should a guy really be
spraying, though, when he getsout the shower?
If he does it correctly, if hedoes it out the shower, has to
(21:02):
do it on top of the clothes.
What are we talking?
And where is it?
A you know back of the neck?
What, where?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
for me I'd say like two to three.
So I tend to put on my necksomewhere, like on my um arm on
your wrist, on my wrist, youwant to put it like where you're
gonna sweat a lot um, and thensometimes just like along my
chest and that's really it.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Any more than that.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
You're doing too much yeah and again, I'm not doing
like a big spray, it'll be likea.
I'm barely pressing the thingto.
And again because the scents Ihave.
I had to be educated on scentsbecause there's different types
of colognes.
Some are more water-based,oil-based.
The water-based ones tend to becheaper but they don't last as
long.
So I've invested in oil-basedones because they last longer.
(21:44):
So, and oil-based ones becausethey last longer, so I mean I
can wear it during and early inthe day and then it's still
carrying me through the rest ofthe day.
If you're like on the go oryou're working and then
transitioning to like a date,you're meeting up with your
friends, you don't have to belike dang, I smell, or like the
scent's gone away yeah, I know,because that's the thing too.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I think you also get like nose blind to it yourself.
You might even still smell likeit, but I I always feel like I
don't.
So I will reapply like I don'tcare.
I I'm definitely not listeningto your two or three, but I
think as women it's like you,you want to smell nice, you want
to like, have that.
When you walk by, that scentfollow you, um, but I think it
for men it doesn't apply thesame way no less is more, less
(22:19):
is more yes and um, there wassomething else I wanted to ask
you, though, and now it.
Now I'm drawing a blank, but asfar as like, yeah, so with
fashion we covered the.
That's what I was going to tellyou.
Okay, so, when you're pickingout your style and you said that
(22:41):
you would also call some of thegirls, right, and ask them,
like, what they thought of it Ithought that was such a great
idea, because when you'refiguring it out, you don't know,
when you're figuring it out,you don't know I would say call
your sister, if you have one,call a friend, any female friend
, facetime them and have themreally, like, critique your
outfit before you buy it, right,like when you're out shopping,
or take someone with you to dothat.
I think that that would bereally good because, again, when
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you do things on your own, alot of men, I know, don't know
what they're doing, and that'sokay, but they need that
guidance and a woman's eye too,right?
Speaker 2 (23:09):
and the honesty.
I mean your boys are gonna belike, yeah, it looks fly, but I
got to be like maybe not.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Yeah you're gonna need to go up a size, but you
know, or something like that.
But, um, I really like that andokay.
So, uh, this one girl pointedout.
She goes when you're trying tofigure out what your style is or
what would look bad, whatcolors would look good on you,
she's like, uh, you should, uhlook up someone that you think
looks like you, that's like acelebrity, right, that looks
(23:36):
like you.
She's like follow what they'redoing just because, like they
they'll, they have a, a team,you know that pick out the right
colors for their skin tone,like we talked about that.
That, um, you know, know how tocoordinate things that dress
them, if they, if you like, howthey dress, and to kind of
mirror that and if the same bodytype, things like that, which I
was like, oh, that's reallysmart, you know that does make
(23:57):
sense.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
I mean, I would say I've mirrored a lot of my
fashion after my mentors thathave, like, been really
successful and done a lot, andbecause I look up to them and
want to be like them.
At some point in my life I'vealways looked to see like how
they're dressing.
So even early on I remember inhigh school going to like these
super ritzy country clubs andI'm like what are you wearing to
these things?
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah, what.
What would you wear to them?
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah, I just would watch my mentors.
They'd wear like walking inwith, like an Air Jordan sneaker
, yeah, or like a big Guccishirt, even if they have the
means to do it Right.
So for me, like you said,rather than maybe look at a
celebrity, I'm looking at likethese big business people that
have been in my life andmirroring what they're doing,
(24:39):
because I'm like, okay, this iswhat they're wearing, so I'm
going to mirror it in some waytoo I love that.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
It's so true.
I feel like that's a good likestart.
This is a starter episode onhow to dress for men, you know,
because there's so much more wecould get into, but I do think
that, like, the basics areimportant, the solid pieces, the
tailoring, oh, and I do thinkevery man needs one tailored
suit, one tailor.
Well, I think all suits shouldbe tailored well, okay, yeah,
yeah, you're right, you wantthem fitted to your body.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Like you don't want a baggy suit, and I think I don't
care what guy you ask,regardless if they're into
fashion or not.
Like we all want to feel ourbest when we're in something
right, I can't think of a guythat wants to look sloppy out in
public never, so if you buy asuit, like, take the time to let
someone fit it to your bodyframe so it suits you and it
looks good.
And I always think of thatcheesy saying like when you uh
look good you feel, or when youfeel good you look no, when you
(25:26):
look good, you feel good.
Yeah, exactly so, like whenyour clothes is together, you're
like, okay, I can conquer theworld, I can uh have success on
this date, or I can close thisbusiness deal or really get the
introduction that I need to withthis certain individual I want
to meet with, and it takes thatkind of like stress off of it I
agree.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
I love that.
Listen, these are your basicsguys share with your friends.
Um, make sure you call thegirls when you're getting
outfits, when you're out gettingoutfits.
Jesus, you really have to bebroken it down so nicely for the
men.
I thank you for that, because Iknow that's really is I.
I admire the way that you dress, the way that you carry
yourself, the reason behind the,the, the outfit choices that
(26:05):
you choose, and just the wayeverything from your jewelry to
even your glasses are sleek andnice.
Like you know, you always keepyour hair done really well.
I appreciate that so yeah, so Ithought it was important for men
to kind of get a guideline tothat.
Yeah, absolutely.
So, thank you.
This is Brunch with Brittany.
Like I said, it's for the girlsand it's for the guys too.
My guest with me today is Jesus, a longtime friend of mine, who
(26:28):
has so much expertise, and Ithank you so much for joining me
, of course.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Thanks for having me.
This was fun.
We'll have to do it again.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
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Welcome back to brunch withbritney another episode.
Grab your drinks, get ready.
I'm doing h2o today.
I think we both are me.
My guest today, which I willintroduce in a second, because I
brought this guest on because,as well as this is a girl's girl
podcast, it's also to teach mensome things.
(00:33):
And my friend, who I've knownfor years okay, since I was like
a teen, all right, well, he hasgone on to do so many different
things with his life, withcareers.
Well, he has gone on to do somany different things with his
life, with careers, and one ofthe things was fashion, between
fashion and just high-end, Iwould say what would you call it
?
Well, by the way, let mewelcome, let me welcome Jesus
(00:55):
here.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
What's up, Hi Brittany?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Hey Jesus, so I'm so glad you're here.
Thanks for having me.
I'm so glad you're here becauseI was was like who's the
perfect person to talk to themen about fashion style?
What to what do's and don'ts?
You know because you've beenaround a lot of high-end brands
and companies that you've workedfor.
Um, if you want to name any, ifyou can sure.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
So I've worked with movato, I've worked with
nordstrom um, those are like thetwo big ones that I'd say I've
worked with.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
And I know, like you, would get a lot of clientele
too that would come in and, likeyou know, they spend a lot of
money in there and there werecertain things that they would
teach you about, about all ofthe high end stuff, whether it
be from watches to outfits, tocologne, to how to apply all of
that.
So I wanted to talk to youtoday.
For the men who are dealingwith struggling with fashion or
just, you know, don't know whatto do, don't know where to start
(01:46):
, you, to me, are the guide, youare the go-to.
Like you have those answers well, I appreciate that, yes okay,
so let's start with one of thethings for me that I always
notice with men.
Um, the fashion shirts thathave the the logo brands on them
, what, how are we supposed to?
How are the men supposed to bewearing those?
Because some are very, you know, logoed out.
(02:07):
How does that come off?
And what would you say to?
How does that come off?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
well, I'm gonna start off by saying I don't feel like
I'm an expert.
I think that I've found successin like my fashion game just
through trial and error and likeyou said.
Because I've worked with so manyhigher-end brands and around
higher-end clientele and evenjust kind of the people I
associate myself with, I tend towatch and learn from those guys
and see what they're doing,because I want to really imitate
(02:33):
and early on in my life I knewI wanted to kind of grow and to
be in that space.
When it comes to logos, I'manti-logo anything unless it's
like a classic brand like ralphlauren okay, so wait, because
there's different versions ofralph lauren there's the us polo
association.
That one, I think no okay, umand I will say, like, early on
in high school I was big onbrands with like I don't know if
(02:54):
you remember like echo or likeoh my god echo.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
It was a big one, for sure.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I remember I wanted a sean john track suit so badly,
just to like have the logo yeah,but I think, as you get older
you really just don't want tocause at least for me that much
attention to like what you'rewearing, because it kind of can
distract from like who you'rewith the conversation, if you're
on a date, if you'reinterviewing or meeting someone
important.
So I myself am like veryanti-logo heavy.
(03:20):
Unless it's, like I said, aclassic brand.
You can still maybe get awaywith Tommy Hilfiger, old school
classic brands that have beenaround for a long time.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
And what style would you say?
Okay, so we're in summer and Ifeel like there's fashions for
every time of the year, butwe're here in Florida
specifically, but in summer it'sa lot of to me.
I think linen is great on me.
What are you wearing right now?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
What is this made out of?
This is like a silky material.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Again summer, you got to know your fabrics, gentlemen
, uh because you don't want tobe a sweaty mess outside or when
you're with someone.
Yeah, like you said, likeespecially on a date too,
because you want to make surethat you wear the proper attire.
You don't want to be sweatingthrough it.
We are in florida, but, yeah,so to me, like the linens, which
I'm I thought that's what thiswas but something light,
something thin and um, thecolors like you're wearing cream
.
What colors do the guys need tohave in their wardrobe?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
again.
For me, it's like causing orcalling less attention to what
you're wearing, to like focus onwhat is in front of you or
who's in front of you.
For me, I don't try to wear toomany colors, depending on where
I'm at right, like if I'm, Itend to dress for who I'm going
to be with or where I'm going.
If I'm in miami, you bring outall the bright all the colors
loud, bright stuff that you wantto right if I'm in naples
(04:35):
having dinner somewhere, forsure, like muted, neutral tones,
one pop of color and likesomething neutral, just like I'm
wearing, like a little bit ofblue cream colored shirt easy,
and it makes it easier, I think,in your wardrobe to mix and
match stuff so you're not likebuying a ton of different shirts
.
Um, and even for me, a lot ofwhat I have I've had for a long
time since, I'd say, aroundcollege, is when I really
(04:55):
started to find brands orclothes that I felt fit my
aesthetic and like where Iwanted to be or grow into.
So for me that that was JCrew.
So a lot of muted, not superloud.
They did have a lot of likefloral and bright colored shirts
, which I do have, but I'd sayoverall my wardrobe is a lot
more muted and not like superloud anymore.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I was gonna say I've never seen you in floral Okay
let me start there.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
So you're clearly not using those shirts.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
No, but I do think that you can use them.
You can get away with them, um,if you do them.
And by correctly I just meanlike, uh, if you're gonna do a
floral, you know, do it with anice color like mint green is
really nice, you know.
On men, um, I think that style,that color, goes with everyone.
The colors to me, though Ithink that a lot of men miss out
on it the typical go-to rightis like black, you got to go to
black.
That's the easiest thing todress and wear for men.
(05:41):
But I think that they'remissing the browns, the creams,
the, you know, in those inbetween tones and um, versus
black gray or blue right, likeblack gray and blue, to me is
the, the, the, the color guysfeel most easiest to grab I also
think it comes with comfortlevel when you understand, uh
like color schemes and like thecolor wheel, like understanding
what colors look good on you.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Like I would never wear orange because I like
understanding what colors lookgood on you.
Like I would never wear orangebecause I look like an Oompa
Loompa, because I'm like fairerskinned right, but like a lot of
the other colors that youmentioned, like lighter colors I
think, work well with my skintone.
So like yellow, orange, red is agood color to like, venture out
with and I think when youunderstand color patterns and
like the color wheel, which isvery basic, you can understand
(06:23):
how to like make an outfit forwhat you're wearing and where
you're going I will say becareful with the reds, though.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
The reds can be very alarming, like they can be very
aggressive.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
So red looks good, but you know I have read that
red in an interview, like a redtie gives off like a sense of
power.
So for an interview wear a redtie.
Okay, red tie.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Uh, I don't think I've ever paid, wear a red tie.
Okay, red tie.
I don't think I've ever paidattention to a red tie on a suit
, but I get it in an interviewsetting.
Yeah, so, okay.
So, with those colors being inmind.
And tops we're talking abouttops.
I see a lot of like a button-upshirt that you're wearing today
.
I know a lot of men would throwa wife beater underneath there.
(07:05):
Why?
What's the substitute for that?
Right, because what there's?
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I've seen so many men do this I'm only about to laugh
because the substitute is don'twear one period at all I don't
think that they're flattering ingeneral for us men because it
gives off.
There's always been this image,I think, with wife beaters,
where, just like I think of,like my dad, that like comes
home from work, it's sweaty,it's dirty, it's never crisp and
white, um, and it kind of hugsyou and maybe not the most
(07:31):
flattering areas if you're notlike exercising, which is fine,
um, and I also think, under adress shirt, it just looks weird
.
I always think about, uh,weddings sometimes, where, like
guys will wear a white beaterunder a white shirt and, like,
when you're sweating, it startsto stick to your shirt oh, so it
just looks like I don't thinkas presentable or as polished is
what I'd say so just go withoutit
Speaker 1 (07:50):
without it yeah, because I just think that it's
something.
I don't know what's the reasonis behind it, but I think it's
more of a comfort level.
But it's like no, just take itoff.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yeah for sure.
I think it's a lot, uh, atleast for me, like I feel sexier
, like more masculine withoutone on.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I don't even think I own one.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
I think I tossed those out a long time ago
because you just realize thatyou don't need those.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
You don't need them Now.
Okay, buttons, because there isa level of like.
Where do you where'sappropriate for the buttons to
be unbuttoned?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Depends on the shirt.
I would say max two.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Max, two unbuttoned.
Unbuttoned, like today.
You have how many?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
One, one unbuttoned, but this is more of like a
dressier shirt.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Like if I'm hitting the club, we're going to take
two down, or if I'm wearing afloral shirt, I'll take two down
for sure.
And I think it also dependsagain on the atmosphere.
When you have one undone, it'sa little bit more refined or
polished, whereas, like if itthat, depending on where you're
at or who you're with, I see,okay, but any.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Anytime.
You know, if the unbuttoning isgoing down to the middle of the
chest like it's obnoxious, Idon't care how good your body is
, I don't care what you're.
If you look like David Beckham,it's tacky, it's very like,
like run away from them.
Red flag, I would say.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Don't do it.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Don't you know, the easy thing I think is jeans, I
guess maybe slacks.
I mean, every man should haveslacks, right?
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, so what do you suggest for the box?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I'm big into trousers , so they're more fitted dress
pants or even like a pair ofchinos.
They're not as dressy as maybeslacks are, but they're a little
bit more polished than maybewearing jeans are.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Trousers go like above your knee, or those pants?
No, trousers go like above yourknee, or those pants no,
they're pants.
Oh, they are pants.
Yeah, but trousers seem to bemore fitted or tailored to your
body.
Okay, are they?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
they sound a little more like like a casual,
comfortable, but still elevatedlook for sure, okay, and I think
brands like lululemon makereally good ones where you can
dress them up or down and againlike jeans, casual.
But if you want to go somewherenicer like there, you can.
You can still dress them up,but it's not.
It doesn't have the same impact, I think at least.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Okay, Now jeans, I don't care if it's a light or
dark wash.
Does that?
Is that something that theyshould consider Like?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I tend to like light washes, but that's just
preference, because, as theytend to wash, you have to think
about longevity.
With clothes At least, I thinkabout that.
Like darker washes are going tostart to fade.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, so if you have, a lighter wash.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
It's going to, I think, wear more naturally and
just look better.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I remember like being told like if you put your pants
inside out, your jeans insideout and wash them, that they
don't fade as quick.
And I still don't know ifthat's true, but I've always
just washed my pants like that.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
I'm not sure I've gotten a little bit pickier, as
I've dry clean even to my jeansnow oh, okay, I'm still washing
mine.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
So they're going in the laundry.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
That's fine, but again I think as much as I've
spent on clothes.
I don't shop anymore reallyhardly, if ever, because I've
invested so much time in betterquality clothing.
I think of this saying buy lessbut better, um, so I'd rather
invest in like a good pair ofjeans that I know is going to
last me a long time, yes, um no,I'm the same way, like I had to
learn that the hard way.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I was doing fast fashion and, oh my god, like the
clothes don't last one and ahalf washes.
Uh, light, uh, what is it?
The the light cycle delicates,but yeah, so that's important,
to have those core pieces thatare gonna last you a long time.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Um, belts, like I don't wear belts again as I've
gotten older, one of, I think,my biggest I wouldn't say hacks
or secrets that has made me feelcomfortable.
And then maybe people tend tolook to me for fashion advices.
I get, I'd say, almost all ofmy clothes tailored, unless it
already fits me from when Ibought it.
So, like this shirt, I boughtit at a thrift store but most
(11:25):
people would think I spend a lotof money, but again, I paid $5
for it and I paid to have ittailored.
One.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
It helps me feel better because it's suited to my
figure and it also helps mekeep my health and weight in
check because I'm like I alreadyspent this money on all these
clothes I own.
I don't want to gain weight.
You think I can't change?
Because, yeah, I guess, was itjust through working in retail
(11:51):
that I learned you to learn yourfit, what looks good on you?
Or because you can go by yourown eye, but that is not always
going to work, like you had togo to a second opinion and be
like does this actually lookgood on me?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
I'm for sure the guy in a store that's like calling
the girls.
I'm like, does this look good?
I think at this stage in mylife I know what works well with
my body and what doesn't.
But again, because I understandmy style, like I tend to be
more polished, refined, moretailored looks than I would like
a baggy pair of jeans or anoversized shirt, Because it's
just like not my vibe.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Have you seen the way Justin Bieber has been dressing
lately?
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I mean, it's Justin Bieber.
He can get away with whateverhe wants.
No, he cannot.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Justin Bieber, he can get away with whatever he wants
.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
No, he cannot, but I think it would be cool if he
went back to just like youngerJustin, I think he did wear a
lot more not as big or baggyclothes.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Everything's baggy, everything's oversized.
I thought it was a phase he'sstill going through it.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
And I think for me he's married to Hailey Like
she's put together, and I thinka lot of the times people are
like why are you always dressedup or be more casual?
For me, when I dress up, it'sless about me and more about who
I'm going to be with.
It's out of respect for thatperson and who I'm meeting with,
even if we're just having lunch.
I always think about if, likewhen you go to an interview,
(12:59):
you're not going to be dressedin like clothes you would
probably wear at home, but it'sout of respect for the
interviewer and the company youwant to work for, when I'm
having lunch or going out on adate, like the respect that I
have for that woman or friendI'm meeting with.
That's why I dress up a littlebit more to show them like they
may not notice or care, but Idress up for that person, to
show them like, hey, a sign ofrespect, like I'm giving you my
(13:20):
best.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
That's really thoughtful, you know, and that's
obviously the best way to goabout it, whether you're meeting
a date or going on an interview, because I've had girlfriends
where I remember one girl wenton a date and she told me he
showed up sweaty, like alreadysweaty, you know, like I mean so
not everybody takes thatconsideration where it's like
you really didn't shower beforeyou went on a date.
(13:41):
You didn't do that.
You know another friend too,where he came in a suit but she
could tell he hadn't like friendtoo, where he came in a suit
but she could tell he hadn'tlike it was, he was out all day.
You know, like he showed upnice, but it didn't smell clean.
And it's again like you shouldhave thought of that, like what
are you, what are you, what arewe doing here?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
absolutely and, like you said, I think it's really
about intention, like if thisdate or this relationship or
meeting or whatever it is thatyou're doing when you meet with
someone, is important to you,then you'll make the extra
effort to give your best,regardless of like.
You don't need to be in a suit,you don't need to be super
dressed up to the nines, butjust like iron your clothes, put
on some deodorant, some cologne, take a shower, brush your hair
(14:16):
right, but if you're meetingwith me, definitely dress to the
night absolutely don't, don'tcome, baggy, don't come.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Any of that come correct, no, but and then yeah,
so with the, those are thebottoms shoes.
Though what are we?
What like are what's the shoethat a man should never wear as
like their go to shoe on thedaily flip?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
flops.
I actually don't own a singlepair of sandals.
No, I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
We're in Florida, though.
I mean you kind of got to wearflip flops once in a while.
The beach.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
You wear a boat shoe.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Oh, I do love the boat shoe look, yes, okay,
that's true, and again, I think,when it comes to shoes, you
don't need 15 pairs of shoes.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I think I have the same rotation of four or five
sets of shoes and what would yousay?
Those are so I have a chelseaboot what the hell?
Speaker 1 (15:02):
what is that?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
a boot that just comes up to your ankle, oh okay,
I've seen those.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Uh, do you need it in like brown and black?
Do you need it?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I have mine just in like a camel tan brown color.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I have a loafer.
I have more loafers, I think,than anything.
Same thing, different tones ofbrown.
A boat shoe I do have a workout, nicer sneaker that I would
wear, maybe if I'm like runningerrands or something.
But I'd say those are like andlike a dress shoe for like when,
I really need to put on a suitor dress up a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Well, they're not going to let you in the club if
you don't have a dress shoe.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
So those are your five.
That's all you need.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
No, I think that is.
That's good.
Yeah, the low first.
Definitely one dress shoe, butI would even say, get two dress
shoes, that.
But the brown is so important.
A lot of men are missing thatbrown dress shoe and it makes
your outfit.
With the blues, I think itmakes them pop more, so you
already have those blues in yourcloset, even the blacks.
(15:56):
Instead of doing black on black, the brown kind of brightens it
up, elevates it.
So, it's not so obvious of onecolor block your jean and then
the same color.
Uh, you know, even if you do adifferent color, pant slacks
like you don't want it to be.
I don't like the block lookanymore.
I think you got to add thestyle to it you know and layer
(16:16):
it in in a way, if you can yeah,totally, and I think, like you
said, brown compliments, I'd saymost all colors, especially
like the brighter ones.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
So if you have like something bright or a little bit
louder, you can like tone itdown with like a brown shoe or a
brown set of pants.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Let's go with.
For me, I know, like jewelry,okay, Jewelry on men, Like what
is the basic line?
Every man should have that kindof like.
You know, it's more of anelevated like.
I'm a man versus.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I'm a boy For sure, so definitely like none of the
little plastic rubbery watches.
I hate those like a g-shockwatch.
Unless you're like I don't know, a teenager, don't wear those,
okay.
But for me I think jewelry'scome a long way for men,
especially because I thinkbefore men didn't really wear a
lot of jewelry, but now I see alot of guys like wearing
bracelets or necklaces.
Um, rings now too, especiallyfor me.
(17:07):
I'm all about just simple stuff, so a watch a bracelet, maybe a
necklace kind of tucked insomewhere.
And again, depending on whereI'm going, maybe I'll throw on a
pinky ring, just show a littlebit of flash there.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah, yeah, I like that yeah but I take for sure.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
I think the one thing every guy needs for sure for
jewelry is just a watch, and itdoesn't have to be some crazy
expensive watch, but just a nicecasual and or dress watch if
you can get both that you can.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Now, what place would you recommend for that?
First, for a guy who's likebuild remember this is.
These are mostly the guys whodon't know how to dress or don't
know where to start.
Maybe they do.
They're not gonna go for thatexpensive watch.
What's a good, solid watch?
That's again a grown man versus, like you know.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I'm biased, so because I worked at Movado, I've
always liked that brand.
Only because it's been aroundfor a long time.
It's not super loud, it'srecognizable, the quality is
there.
I think that's the other thing.
When you're buying thesewatches or anything in general,
right, you want to think about.
Do I want to buy one thingthat's going to last me a long
time, pay a little bit more?
Or buy a bunch of cheap littlethings that I have to change the
battery or it's not working orit doesn't wear well over time?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yeah, oh my God, I have seen a guy wear a watch
that wasn't working.
I realize that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
And girls.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
People notice those types of things right, yes, so
it's not so much about the brand, but it's more about quality or
how you take care of things toookay, now let's go to scent,
because I think that that youknow applying even for women,
applying a scent to yourself.
There's ways to do it andyou've worked actually with
scents and you've had to sellthose.
(18:38):
They had to teach you how tosell those right.
So, like what went, and youwere working where when that,
when they were at nordstrom, atnordstrom.
So they taught you likecolognes and perfumes, or just
colognes.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Mostly just colognes.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Okay, so as a man, like what were they kind of
telling you the scents thatmaybe were more popular, because
everybody's different Totally.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Scents, I think is one of like the hardest things
to figure out, because it'sreally based on the individual.
I might like a scent but it maynot suit or fit someone else.
Yes, I think one of the biggestthings I learned.
I wish I remember her name.
I was at Neiman Marcus in Tampain undergrad and this French
lady that was working behind thebeauty counter or whatever, was
educating me on how to applyscents, because most people
(19:19):
these days apply it on top oftheir clothes.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
And I remember she told me she's like when you
sweat, you're sweating out ofyour pores, not through your
clothes.
So if you apply the scent onyour skin, especially after,
like, you shower, because yourpores are more open, the scent
tends to stick into your skinand it lasts longer.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I did hear that, and that's the thing, though I will
say.
I always forget that partbecause I'm like rushing or
something and I'm already.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
You know, by the time I'm dressed, I'm throwing it on
top of my clothes, like mostnine times out of ten I'm doing
that, yeah and I think peopletend to at least in my
experience remember scents morebecause it's naturally coming
out of your skin, like if theyhug you or xyz if you're kissing
you like you can smell thescent yeah, yeah I'm also big on
not having multiple scents.
I think I've only had like twoor three colognes in my lifetime
(20:04):
because I found one that I feltfit me.
It used to be like this littleDior cologne that they had at
Macy's.
They stopped making it and then, as I came up a little bit, I
started buying nicer ones.
So I buy, like at Neiman Marcus, the same one and it's a scent
that I get compliments on allthe time.
It's unique and it's to me notsuper loud, it's not like very
floral-y either.
It's like the scent I alwayswanted.
(20:25):
Like when I walk by peoplewould be like, hmm, that smells
good, but like it's not like alingering scent or like super
loud, like some Axe spray typeof thing.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Oh my God, no Axe spray.
That literally needs to bebanned.
Don't do it.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
It needs to be banned okay, I'm honestly surprised
they're still in business.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Yeah, no, and they are, and they're doing well I
was going to say they're kind ofthriving, they're thriving?
yeah, I'm hoping it's justbecause the teen boys are buying
it up and they don't know anybetter.
Like for me, I think that howis it with cologne?
As far as, like, how manysprays should a guy really be
spraying, though, when he getsout the shower?
If he does it correctly, if hedoes it out the shower, has to
(21:02):
do it on top of the clothes.
What are we talking?
And where is it?
A you know back of the neck?
What, where?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
for me I'd say like two to three.
So I tend to put on my necksomewhere, like on my um arm on
your wrist, on my wrist, youwant to put it like where you're
gonna sweat a lot um, and thensometimes just like along my
chest and that's really it.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Any more than that.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
You're doing too much yeah and again, I'm not doing
like a big spray, it'll be likea.
I'm barely pressing the thingto.
And again because the scents Ihave.
I had to be educated on scentsbecause there's different types
of colognes.
Some are more water-based,oil-based.
The water-based ones tend to becheaper but they don't last as
long.
So I've invested in oil-basedones because they last longer.
(21:44):
So, and oil-based ones becausethey last longer, so I mean I
can wear it during and early inthe day and then it's still
carrying me through the rest ofthe day.
If you're like on the go oryou're working and then
transitioning to like a date,you're meeting up with your
friends, you don't have to belike dang, I smell, or like the
scent's gone away yeah, I know,because that's the thing too.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I think you also get like nose blind to it yourself.
You might even still smell likeit, but I I always feel like I
don't.
So I will reapply like I don'tcare.
I I'm definitely not listeningto your two or three, but I
think as women it's like you,you want to smell nice, you want
to like, have that.
When you walk by, that scentfollow you, um, but I think it
for men it doesn't apply thesame way no less is more, less
(22:19):
is more yes and um, there wassomething else I wanted to ask
you, though, and now it.
Now I'm drawing a blank, but asfar as like, yeah, so with
fashion we covered the.
That's what I was going to tellyou.
Okay, so, when you're pickingout your style and you said that
(22:41):
you would also call some of thegirls, right, and ask them,
like, what they thought of it Ithought that was such a great
idea, because when you'refiguring it out, you don't know,
when you're figuring it out,you don't know I would say call
your sister, if you have one,call a friend, any female friend
, facetime them and have themreally, like, critique your
outfit before you buy it, right,like when you're out shopping,
or take someone with you to dothat.
I think that that would bereally good because, again, when
(23:01):
you do things on your own, alot of men, I know, don't know
what they're doing, and that'sokay, but they need that
guidance and a woman's eye too,right?
Speaker 2 (23:09):
and the honesty.
I mean your boys are gonna belike, yeah, it looks fly, but I
got to be like maybe not.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Yeah you're gonna need to go up a size, but you
know, or something like that.
But, um, I really like that andokay.
So, uh, this one girl pointedout.
She goes when you're trying tofigure out what your style is or
what would look bad, whatcolors would look good on you,
she's like, uh, you should, uhlook up someone that you think
looks like you, that's like acelebrity, right, that looks
(23:36):
like you.
She's like follow what they'redoing just because, like they
they'll, they have a, a team,you know that pick out the right
colors for their skin tone,like we talked about that.
That, um, you know, know how tocoordinate things that dress
them, if they, if you like, howthey dress, and to kind of
mirror that and if the same bodytype, things like that, which I
was like, oh, that's reallysmart, you know that does make
(23:57):
sense.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
I mean, I would say I've mirrored a lot of my
fashion after my mentors thathave, like, been really
successful and done a lot, andbecause I look up to them and
want to be like them.
At some point in my life I'vealways looked to see like how
they're dressing.
So even early on I remember inhigh school going to like these
super ritzy country clubs andI'm like what are you wearing to
these things?
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah, what.
What would you wear to them?
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah, I just would watch my mentors.
They'd wear like walking inwith, like an Air Jordan sneaker
, yeah, or like a big Guccishirt, even if they have the
means to do it Right.
So for me, like you said,rather than maybe look at a
celebrity, I'm looking at likethese big business people that
have been in my life andmirroring what they're doing,
(24:39):
because I'm like, okay, this iswhat they're wearing, so I'm
going to mirror it in some waytoo I love that.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
It's so true.
I feel like that's a good likestart.
This is a starter episode onhow to dress for men, you know,
because there's so much more wecould get into, but I do think
that, like, the basics areimportant, the solid pieces, the
tailoring, oh, and I do thinkevery man needs one tailored
suit, one tailor.
Well, I think all suits shouldbe tailored well, okay, yeah,
yeah, you're right, you wantthem fitted to your body.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Like you don't want a baggy suit, and I think I don't
care what guy you ask,regardless if they're into
fashion or not.
Like we all want to feel ourbest when we're in something
right, I can't think of a guythat wants to look sloppy out in
public never, so if you buy asuit, like, take the time to let
someone fit it to your bodyframe so it suits you and it
looks good.
And I always think of thatcheesy saying like when you uh
look good you feel, or when youfeel good you look no, when you
(25:26):
look good, you feel good.
Yeah, exactly so, like whenyour clothes is together, you're
like, okay, I can conquer theworld, I can uh have success on
this date, or I can close thisbusiness deal or really get the
introduction that I need to withthis certain individual I want
to meet with, and it takes thatkind of like stress off of it I
agree.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
I love that.
Listen, these are your basicsguys share with your friends.
Um, make sure you call thegirls when you're getting
outfits, when you're out gettingoutfits.
Jesus, you really have to bebroken it down so nicely for the
men.
I thank you for that, because Iknow that's really is I.
I admire the way that you dress, the way that you carry
yourself, the reason behind the,the, the outfit choices that
(26:05):
you choose, and just the wayeverything from your jewelry to
even your glasses are sleek andnice.
Like you know, you always keepyour hair done really well.
I appreciate that so yeah, so Ithought it was important for men
to kind of get a guideline tothat.
Yeah, absolutely.
So, thank you.
This is Brunch with Brittany.
Like I said, it's for the girlsand it's for the guys too.
My guest with me today is Jesus, a longtime friend of mine, who
(26:28):
has so much expertise, and Ithank you so much for joining me
, of course.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Thanks for having me.
This was fun.
We'll have to do it again.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Yes, we will For sure , we are out.
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