September 12, 2025 • 27 mins
Kirk Assassin Caught + Retired Capital Police Chief Joins Us Live To Discuss J6
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
News headlines and the talk you need.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
This is Charleston's Morning News with Kelly and Place on
ninety four to three WSC.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
There's a twist in the story of a shooting at
the US Naval Academy. There's been an accidental shooting at
the academy in Annapolis, Maryland, following an online threat. NBC
News reports a midshipman who had been kicked out of
the school made online threats, making it a peer as
though he was at the academy. Police responded in force,
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and during the lockdown, a midshipman mistook a police officer
as a threat and struck him with his training weapon.
The officer fired and wounded that midshipman, who is now
in the hospital and expected to recover.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
This is very case in point of how on edge
so many people are. But I'm so confused by the
idea that somebody was online making so these were two
different people.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
So this is two different people. At first, the story
was coming out that there was a shooting at the
Naval Academy and it was on lockdown, and then details
came out that it was an aggrieved midshipman who had
been kicked out of the academy. Well, it turns out
he wasn't there. He was online making threats from a
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different location, but they were on lockdown and they thought
that he was there. And so this other midshipman sees
this police officer and thinks he's the threat, hits him
with his training weapon. That cop shoots that midshipman, and
now that midshipman's in the hospital but expected to recover.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Lord have mercy. This is just where the when we
were talking earlier in our first story about what we
do and don't know in the Kirk assassination, where things
spread so much more quickly with technology, with the Internet
and the it's really difficult when things are moving so
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quickly to parse the well to quella chaos. Frankly, it
causes a lot of chaos potentially.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Well. In the Charlie Kirk case, it was we have
a shooter, we have them on, No we don't. Then
we have we have a shooter, No we don't exactly,
and pictures are going out of those poor people.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Oh yeah, yeah, yesterday. How many did we see? I
mean I kept people just kept sending me linked we
think this and you know in our business, I know
too well I don't know. Let's hold back here, let's
hold back. And you heard the governor of Utah before
the break saying, we've had how many thousands of tips?
The FBI has thousands of digital tips there in that case, it.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Went from like five hundred to seven thousand something like that.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yeah, and here they are trying to parse through the details.
And I know that first press conference they had with
regards to the Kirk investigation and this shooter who's you know,
still out there, they were like, we've got They basically said,
you know, we have a suspect and we think we
can track him, but we'll ask you for help if
we need to. But you could tell they were hesitating
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to put that picture out there because of probably what
we saw yesterday, which was a lot of like you said,
you know, people who weren't suspect.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yeah, well, we'll have a story coming up about what
happened to one of those suspected suspects that turns out
not to be a suspect.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Well, prayers to this midshipman that's injured in this case.
I know that they actually had to fly you know,
the medical helicopter in and that's not good. That's one
of the reports yesterday where the medical helicopter you know,
came in too.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Well, they're saying that he's expected to recover.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
That's good. Well, I said, suspect, it's not a suspect
as poor.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
No, he thought he was right, Yeah, And then you
have to wonder. I mean, it seems like if it
wasn't so serious, comedy of airs, right, right, and so
how did that happen? I mean, I think they need
to review their security policy. And I'm not going to
be quick to blame the police. I don't know what
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the situation was, right.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
I'm curious of what kind of alert system do they have?
I mean, here we are talking about technology. Do they
get you know, alerts on their cell phone that there
is you know, a lockdown, a this ay that, you know,
whatever it may be? Like, what's their process and procedure
if there's you know, a gunman on base.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Well, there's confusion at that point, and it sounds to
me like maybe this midshipman thought that the police officer
was the threat, and the police officer thought that this
midshipman was the one that was making the threats online.
So you know, I don't know, I'm speculating.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Well, yeah, I'd like to see. I mean, what is
the uniform? Does it not look different when you're security
on a US naval you know, even at the academy.
Does it not look a little different than when you're
a midshipman. You would think uniform wise, the guy who
thought the policeman was a threat would have stopped himself.
You know, I don't know, well who.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Knows, and it just says police officer, doesn't say MPE
or Yeah. Sometimes if it was a uniform police officer,
we don't know well.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
And sometimes that's just a wrapped badge on an arm
or you know, a patch on Maybe they look a lot,
you know, very similar in uniform.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, I mean, we don't have any clue. We can
only speculate. But thankfully this guy will be all right.
And then I want to know what's going to happen
to the original midshipman who made these threats online? Yeah,
I mean and caused this whole thing.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah, I mean, anybody in the military knows when it
comes to online posting, there's very little that they especially
when it comes to anything in uniform, and especially anything
that involves politics. So what were your threats. I mean,
the threats alone are enough obviously for you to face.
What kind of consequences? What were the threats?
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Well, I mean, we don't even know if he's a
military member anymore. He was kicked out of the academy,
you know, so I don't know what his situation is either.
So there's a whole lot of questions surrounding this, but
I mean it it's concerning. Yeah, it is the way
this whole thing went down. So hopefully more details will
come out and we'll let you know. The family of
a man wrongly detained and interrogated by authorities after the
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assassination of Charlie Kirk is giving his sign of things.
In an interview with ABC four, The father of twenty
five year old Zakariyah Kureshi called the incident absolutely uncalled
for and insane. Korreshi was one of the two people
detained and later released by the FBI and local police
after authorities confirmed that they were uninvolved in the shooting.
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The Korreeshi family has since faced online harassment and threats
after being falsely tied to the attack. Zach Korreshi, twenty five,
a newly engaged mba student to see Charlie Kirk and
was standing about twenty five feet away when Kirk was shot.
And this man was later interviewed by the FBI. According
to his mother, Juliet Qureshi, she said it wasn't clear
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why the FBI questioned her son.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
I can understand as protective parents being upset about this,
but I mean they're out here exciting. It's floppy police work.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I well, it kind of sounds like it is. Well
and I get there and they released his name.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah, this is where I can't believe. They released his
name and.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
The FBI didn't do it. The local police did it.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
So there's been I'm sure you've seen some of the
other reports about local police, and you've got the FBI
out here at least one of their press conferences yesterday,
you know, praising thinking and almost immediately actually when this happened,
the local police working in conjunction with them. Because let's
go back to the Butler Pennsylvania attempts at assassination on
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the president's life. Remember when people were like there was
no communication between the FBI or Secret Service and the
local police. So now we've got the communication or I
don't know do we Is it causing more confusion? Is
there a lack thereof I'm not sure, but.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Well, this Zach Kureshi, he'd tended a turning point event
before and was there to hear Charlie speak. He was
devastated for his family. He didn't have anything to tell
the FBI that everyone there on the ground didn't also
see his mother said, Zach Kurai. Korshi is the graduate
of Brigham Young University.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Yeah, this is very unfortunate. I know that with I
looked up to see if his accounts were you know,
set to private or maybe paused. I mean, this is
one of those things where I think, what would I do?
And I would because of the online hate that they.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Mentioned, I'd be pissed.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Well, I wouldn't so much blame. Oh, I would be
pissed if they released my name. I wouldn't be pissed
at authorities for questioning me.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Oh I would.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Oh I would.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
I mean you say that, but I mean and now
here I've heard all week long about if it comes
from immigration or it comes to this case or whatever. Well,
if you got nothing to hide and know, I'm perfectly
fine with being quite like, I don't. I'm sorry, I don't.
I don't believe that, because put yourself in that situation,
I would. I would.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I would be. I would be shocked.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
I would be.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
But if I could be some help in some way,
and then if they kept pressing when I had nothing
more to give, then I would be upset. And especially
if they put my name out there. Yeah, I'd be pissed.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Well, this isn't like talking to them. It's them taking
you into custody. And you're like, I didn't do anything,
tell me what. You wouldn't be upset, you'd be just
like I want to help all I can. It's okay,
take me into custody. Wrongly, I'm fine with this.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
They went too far releasing his name, And yes, I
would be. I would be a lot of things. If
they took me into custody and held me for all
this time and release my name, Yes I would. That
would go to a level with which.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Thank you, Yeah right, And I think that would be
the natural reaction of just about everybody.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
And joining us live, Former Capitol Police Chief Stephen Sunned
on a Friday edition of the show, We appreciate you
joining us this morning. We were just hearing, oh gosh,
not moments ago over our shoulder here on the National
CBS scale of the Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro, I insert
boy Illinois Governor D. B. Pritsker yesterday. Now, now we
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have this this morning, chiding the president's response to Charlie
Kirk's assassination. Appreciate you joining us, Stephen this morning, saying
that it was divisive and that we need to hear,
you know, tamp down the rhetoric. And I just I'm
curious your reaction this morning to all of this. Being
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a former law enforcement officer, Hey, good morning, Thank you.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Very much for having me on. Yeah, I think things
have become so divided and lately we've just seen people
being dehumanized repeatedly when you have people, you know, calling
the president nazi and fascists and coming out and specifically,
you know, toward a lot of conservatives saying that you know,
they're they're fascists. You hear that repeatedly, their Nazis, and
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they're gonna end the end of democracy. This is a
fight for democracy, and you'll never get to vote again.
You know, when they keep doing that type of hyperbole,
you know it it drives people that you know, maybe
maybe on the edge. You know, it really concerns me
because you a lot of people that are out there
looking at this stuff online and then begins to drive
them to violence. You're seeing it more and more. You've
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seen that a lot of protests. You see it at
some of the pro Palestinian protests. Anybody that comes up
to counter protests, the protesters immediately start turning toward violence
towards the counter protests. So you're seeing it out there.
Just it concerns me, you know a lot as a
law enforcement official.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Gee, if you took your fair share of heat during
the January sixth riots. They've reopened a new January sixth
investigative committee. In your own words, you know one, don't
you give us a quick synopsis of how you view
what happened on January sixth.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
January six was one hundred percent preventable. In my own words,
That's exactly how I viewed it. I've been law enforcement
for thirty years. I'm somebody that deals with facts. The
fact is a lot of people may not realize it.
I requested National Guard twice in advance of January sixth,
specifically to support my perimeter. Was denied twice. I'm required
by federal law. Congress put in a law over their
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own chief to us nineteen seventy that requires obtained permission
to bring in any federal resources. I was denied twice.
On Sunday, January third, three days in advance of January sixth,
I can tell you for a fact, the Pentagon called
late that day to offer national assistance. So when President
Trump says he offered ten thousand troops, I don't know
the number that we would have done an assessment. They
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would have based on our assessment, but they offered troops,
and I had to deny that request because by law
I didn't have the authority to accept it. Now fast
forward to January sixth, we come, we have the Ride
of ben At twelve fifty three on the West Front,
twelve fifty eight, I make my first request to the
Capitol Police Board, the two sergeant arms. Specifically, I still
by law have to ask permission to bring in National
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Guard National Guard. I have one hundred and fifty five
troops with an eyesight of the Capitol, he said. Paul
Irvings specifically says he's gonna run it up to chain
to Speaker Pelosi, I have to make eleven more calls
for the next seventy one minutes before he gives me
approval to bring in resources. And I finally got approved
at two oh nine, five minutes before the first window
of the Capitol was broken to begin the end of
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the building. So it has now come out in testimony.
The leader of the Washington the DC Nation Guard, has
testified that if he had gotten a permission right away,
he could have come and supported the perimeter. And the
congressional courts have said if they had proved my request
on January third, Jenisar the Capital have never been breached
and we wouldn't be sitting here having this conversation.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Former Capitol Police Chief Stephen Son joining us live here
on ninety four to three WSC. Given your background in
the DC area in law enforcement, I am curious your
thoughts on the President's current DC crime crackdown and as
possibly being a rinse and repeat option for this administration
to deploy in other cities.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Well, I absolutely think it is a great blueprint for
other cities. And not only was I with Capital Police,
I was with DC Police for twenty five years and
during that time we did plenty of these initiatives. We
did Summer Crime Initiative, we did the Statsystreet the initiative
during the nineteen nineties. I still have my Task Force
tea shirt where we brought in DEA, FBI atf the
same people they're bringing in now. And we even brought
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a National Guard to help support missions like lighting and
air support missions. So it's happened before. People don't realize that.
It's now become a big deal because Trump invoked Section
seven forty of the Home Rule Act, and you know
everyone now is against it. But we do this all
the time. Many cities have task Force, federal task forces
that do this. It needs to be done. It's had
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great results. I mean, fifty seven percent reduction to homicides,
eighty seven percent reductions in car jagging. We had so
many juveniles stealing cars and killing people dragging with their cars.
It was absolutely certain. So it is working. It is
a great, I think blueprint for the cities. Why do
you have some governors and Maya's coming out against it
is beyond me.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Chief. I want to jump back to January sixth for
a minute, just because you know there's this new committee
that's opened a new investigation and you know, the if
you there was the made for TV January sixth to
you know show essentially where there was a very biased
presentation of what exactly happened on January sixth, and then
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you hear you know he said, she said, each side
telling a different story. What would you like to see
come out of this new investigation?
Speaker 4 (15:44):
So I applaud Speaker Johnson for pushing it. I applaud
the President for pushing it as well. Chairman Barry louder
Milk will be running it. He ran the last previous
one after the Select Committee, and they've been they're actually
doing an investigation to find out what went wrong? Where
were the intelligence figures? Where were the fairres with the
military response? So actually looking into it I think right
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now what they need to look into is is one,
what were what did the military intelligence know in advance?
And what communications did they have with members of Congress.
I would love to know that. What communications did the
Capitol Police Board when I made my request the two
sergeant arms have with the leadership, Speaker Pelosi McConnell in advance,
what discussions did they have about any possibility of violence?
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And what if any intelligence agencies brief members of Congress
in advance of any possibility of violence. Those are a
couple of key things I'd look for. I know Chairman
lauder Milk has indicated I maybe you know, called down.
I'm ready. You know, I've willingly testified since February twenty
twenty one when they had the first hearing before the Senate,
and I'll readily testify. Go down. I'm a person of facts.
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I've got my receipts and I'm ready to go.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
You've actually written a book, Courage under Fire, that definite
you know, the definitive account from inside that day, and
it's gripping a minute by minute.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Yeah, I appreciate that. Never planned on writing a book.
I you know, when Speaker Pelosi ripped me out of
my position, literally had me move out over the weekend,
I said, started doing my own after action. I had
whistleblowers come out of the would work and you know,
just ended up putting this thing together and people have
looked at and said, man, this is this is important.
You got to put this out. And now members of
Congress have called it the definitive after action. It's been
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referenced in congressional reports entered into the congressional record. Universities
have used it to teach from because it's going to
give you the facts. It's not going to give you
a bunch of bs about what happened. I'm gonna I'm
gonna provide you with the facts that that's the person
I am. I'm not somebody that's just going to politicize this,
because I don't think that's right the Chief.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
If I were you, I would feel that they try
to escape goat me. Do you feel that way.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
I've had many people people say that I'm not somebody
that's gonna, you know, say you jump in and kitle
myself in that fashion. But I will tell you Congress
in December of twenty twenty four exonerated me by name
in their final report from the previous committee, which means
a lot to me. That absolutely means a tremendous man.
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I never expected that, But I do believe that there
was things that this could have been prevented, so easily prevented,
and I still wonder why it was allowed to happen.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
That's a great question.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yeah, I think we're all wondering that.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I want to say thank you for your service. Chief.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I appreciate that thank you very much, Yes, sir, Retired
Chief Steven sund former Washington, d C. Capitol Police Chief,
thank you for your time this morning, sir, and stay well.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Yep, you two have a good day.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
So it looks like there may be a suspect in custody. Well,
it looks like there is a suspecting custody. According to
President Trump, that's what he told Fox News this morning.
He says somebody very close to him turned him in.
He said he expects officials to give an update later today.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
He's speaking live now. In fact, I don't know if
we want to. He's talking about crime. He's talking about
the fomenting politically of you know people you know saying
on the left that you know, his words were too incendiary.
I'm not sure if we want to join it here
just to see.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
They took the Unselect committee that you know, investigated stuff.
It found out that we were right on everything. They
burned all the information because we were right on everything.
Nancy Pelosi knew. I told her, I said, I'll give
you ten thousand troops January sixth I'll give you ten
thousand troops if you'd like. No, we don't want them.
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Oh well, they found out that was true. They found
out it was true, they burned everything, and Biden gave
them a pardon. He gave these people in the committee,
it's Congress people, he gave them a pardon. And it's
so what they did, what he did to this country
will live in infamy. What he did is and I say, Lawrence,
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I say what he and his people because he was
up sleeping most of the time, he should not have
been president.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Oh, I lost the feed. Unfortunately, we steeve can get
it back here.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I mean, that's very interesting because we just had live
the Washington, d C. Capitol Police former chief on saying
the same exact thing about these requested troops. Nancy Pelosi's
a liar. Joe Biden is a liar. These people snookered
us for four years, and there's still people out there
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that think that they were the good guys, that they
were there to save us from Trump.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
We couldn't have planned that Live with Sundon now, Trump
speaking live on Fox just.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Now, and it really makes you think that that may
have been a coup, this whole Biden presidency.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Well, well, we see Auto Penn, I know we have
a story potentially here coming up of a KJP. You know,
his former't White House Press secretary is being hauled out
before Congress. I don't expect she'll say anything, but she's
not going to say any She's never said anything.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
I mean, she's just lied through her teeth and was inadequate.
And that's being generous at her job. I mean, think
how serious this is where he said they burned the
evidence and why would they do that? I mean you could,
I mean you might be able to argue, well, they
were trying to avoid responsibility. And for their effectless reaction
to this whole thing, I don't know. I think it
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calls a whole lot more into question. And everybody you
know says, oh, you're one of those. And like I said,
one of my friends, one of my liberal friends, you know,
called me unpatriotic, un American for talking about this stuff
the other morning.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
I think the opposite, and it's I'm patriotic for you
not to listen.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
So I'm not on the liar's side, that's for sure.
And so far you just heard the president. We just
heard five minutes ago the former Capitol police chief say
the same thing. So who do you think is lying?
The former Capitol Police Chief in last week. You know,
we had the head of the DC police union on
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saying much of the same thing. So who's the liars here?
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Well, and to recap the breaking news here, Trump is
saying live on Fox as we are broadcasting, that Charlie
Kirk Shooter is in custody. He said, we have him.
So we're going to bring the latest updates here as
they unfold.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, and it sounds like much more is not going
to come out until later in the day once they
interrogate this guy. And I'm sure there's going to be
a press conference scheduled for later today. That's according to
the President. He said, I'm sure that the officials are
going to have some kind of announcement coming up later.
So you know, of course, we'll bring that to you
as it happens. Well, we can continue with I think
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we should can continue. I don't know why I can't
spit that because.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
It's been a rough week.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yes, why I think we should continue with what we
were just talking about. And the President on TV saying
a that they have a Charlie Kirk Shooter in custody, Yes,
back in custody, and so that's breaking news and Then
during this conversation with Fox and Friends, the President went
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on to talk about Nancy Pelosi in January sixth, this
new January sixth committee that they formed, saying that you
know that they burned evidence before, and remember when they
tried to lock this evidence up for seventy five years,
that the Benny Johnson and Nancy Pelosi and Liz Cheney
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and Adam Kinzinger all try to hide from us.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
They locked up reporters. Do you remember when Glenn Beck
coming up live nine here on ninety four to three
WSC week days after us, one of his reporters was
locked up for covering January sixth because he released video
they couldn't destroy.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah, and we just had a few minutes ago the
former Capitol Police chief Stephen Sunned on with us, who
was saying the same thing. And remember he wouldn't say
it has enough honor. Where I asked him, I said,
would you consider yourself to be a scapegoat because that's
what other people were saying. He said, well, that's what
other people are saying, but I would not use those
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words to describe myself.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
But yeah, he rose above it.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
But you know what, I'll say it for him. Yeah,
they scapegoated him, and he talked about how he had
to request that he and he confirmed that the president
requested National Guard troops. He confirmed that he himself requested
National Guard troops and was told that it needed to
be run up the chain to Nancy Pelosi. And what
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was the number of minutes I can't remember exactly what
he said, seventy something minutes.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Later, Yeah, it was seventy two.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
It was over an hour later. And he said, so
finally when we were able to do something that was
right when when they finally got the go ahead, it
was right when the capital the first window was broken
in the Capitol. So, in other words, too late and
stunning that it took this long. And it's just little
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by little by little that this information.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Comes out five years later.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
And like I said, even we talked about it when
there was the formation of this new January sixth committee.
The other day, you know, I'm getting texts from my
liberal friends saying, you know, you're on American and you're unpatriotic,
and I can't believe you're talking about this because these
people still believe their hatred for Donald Trump is so great.
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They believe that the president is the one that try
to execute a coup on the United States of America,
not the other way around, you know. And I don't
know if they're trying to hide just their how badly
they handled this thing, but it seems to me, you
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start putting the pieces together, there was more at hand
here than simply just being inept at your job.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
And that's our job. It's our job to shine light
on darkness. It's our job to ask questions. It's our
job to get the facts and separate them from fiction.
That is our job. So for anyone to call you names,
oh yeah, yea what We're used to it though.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Yeah we are. And you know, in Nancy Pelosi, her
role in this, somebody ought to investigate Nancy Pelosi. And
you see all of the fake things that they've tried
to pin on this president, everything from now calling him
a convicted rapist, which is not true, oh in, a pedophile,
a pedophile, a convicted rapist, a putin puppet. I mean,
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look at all of the lies in misinformation and isn't
that dangerous? And especially in light of the murder assassination
of Charlie Kirk, these people, I mean, I can feel
my blood start in the warm, I'm going to start yelling,
so I'll cal him down.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
We'll take some deep breast these people.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
I'll tell you we need to go after him with
every and I mean in a violent way. No, but
Nancy Yanke all their asses up there and get the
true answers and put them on the spot and demand it.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
There's a twist in the story of a shooting at
the US Naval Academy. There's been an accidental shooting at
the academy in Annapolis, Maryland, following an online threat. NBC
News reports a midshipman who had been kicked out of
the school made online threats, making it a peer as
though he was at the academy. Police responded in force,
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and during the lockdown, a midshipman mistook a police officer
as a threat and struck him with his training weapon.
The officer fired and wounded that midshipman, who is now
in the hospital and expected to recover.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
This is very case in point of how on edge
so many people are. But I'm so confused by the
idea that somebody was online making so these were two
different people.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
So this is two different people. At first, the story
was coming out that there was a shooting at the
Naval Academy and it was on lockdown, and then details
came out that it was an aggrieved midshipman who had
been kicked out of the academy. Well, it turns out
he wasn't there. He was online making threats from a
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different location, but they were on lockdown and they thought
that he was there. And so this other midshipman sees
this police officer and thinks he's the threat, hits him
with his training weapon. That cop shoots that midshipman, and
now that midshipman's in the hospital but expected to recover.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Lord have mercy. This is just where the when we
were talking earlier in our first story about what we
do and don't know in the Kirk assassination, where things
spread so much more quickly with technology, with the Internet
and the it's really difficult when things are moving so
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quickly to parse the well to quella chaos. Frankly, it
causes a lot of chaos potentially.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Well. In the Charlie Kirk case, it was we have
a shooter, we have them on, No we don't. Then
we have we have a shooter, No we don't exactly,
and pictures are going out of those poor people.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Oh yeah, yeah, yesterday. How many did we see? I
mean I kept people just kept sending me linked we
think this and you know in our business, I know
too well I don't know. Let's hold back here, let's
hold back. And you heard the governor of Utah before
the break saying, we've had how many thousands of tips?
The FBI has thousands of digital tips there in that case, it.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Went from like five hundred to seven thousand something like that.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yeah, and here they are trying to parse through the details.
And I know that first press conference they had with
regards to the Kirk investigation and this shooter who's you know,
still out there, they were like, we've got They basically said,
you know, we have a suspect and we think we
can track him, but we'll ask you for help if
we need to. But you could tell they were hesitating
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to put that picture out there because of probably what
we saw yesterday, which was a lot of like you said,
you know, people who weren't suspect.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yeah, well, we'll have a story coming up about what
happened to one of those suspected suspects that turns out
not to be a suspect.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Well, prayers to this midshipman that's injured in this case.
I know that they actually had to fly you know,
the medical helicopter in and that's not good. That's one
of the reports yesterday where the medical helicopter you know,
came in too.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Well, they're saying that he's expected to recover.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
That's good. Well, I said, suspect, it's not a suspect
as poor.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
No, he thought he was right, Yeah, And then you
have to wonder. I mean, it seems like if it
wasn't so serious, comedy of airs, right, right, and so
how did that happen? I mean, I think they need
to review their security policy. And I'm not going to
be quick to blame the police. I don't know what
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the situation was, right.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
I'm curious of what kind of alert system do they have?
I mean, here we are talking about technology. Do they
get you know, alerts on their cell phone that there
is you know, a lockdown, a this ay that, you know,
whatever it may be? Like, what's their process and procedure
if there's you know, a gunman on base.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Well, there's confusion at that point, and it sounds to
me like maybe this midshipman thought that the police officer
was the threat, and the police officer thought that this
midshipman was the one that was making the threats online.
So you know, I don't know, I'm speculating.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Well, yeah, I'd like to see. I mean, what is
the uniform? Does it not look different when you're security
on a US naval you know, even at the academy.
Does it not look a little different than when you're
a midshipman. You would think uniform wise, the guy who
thought the policeman was a threat would have stopped himself.
You know, I don't know, well who.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Knows, and it just says police officer, doesn't say MPE
or Yeah. Sometimes if it was a uniform police officer,
we don't know well.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
And sometimes that's just a wrapped badge on an arm
or you know, a patch on Maybe they look a lot,
you know, very similar in uniform.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, I mean, we don't have any clue. We can
only speculate. But thankfully this guy will be all right.
And then I want to know what's going to happen
to the original midshipman who made these threats online? Yeah,
I mean and caused this whole thing.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah, I mean, anybody in the military knows when it
comes to online posting, there's very little that they especially
when it comes to anything in uniform, and especially anything
that involves politics. So what were your threats. I mean,
the threats alone are enough obviously for you to face.
What kind of consequences? What were the threats?
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Well, I mean, we don't even know if he's a
military member anymore. He was kicked out of the academy,
you know, so I don't know what his situation is either.
So there's a whole lot of questions surrounding this, but
I mean it it's concerning. Yeah, it is the way
this whole thing went down. So hopefully more details will
come out and we'll let you know. The family of
a man wrongly detained and interrogated by authorities after the
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assassination of Charlie Kirk is giving his sign of things.
In an interview with ABC four, The father of twenty
five year old Zakariyah Kureshi called the incident absolutely uncalled
for and insane. Korreshi was one of the two people
detained and later released by the FBI and local police
after authorities confirmed that they were uninvolved in the shooting.
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The Korreeshi family has since faced online harassment and threats
after being falsely tied to the attack. Zach Korreshi, twenty five,
a newly engaged mba student to see Charlie Kirk and
was standing about twenty five feet away when Kirk was shot.
And this man was later interviewed by the FBI. According
to his mother, Juliet Qureshi, she said it wasn't clear
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why the FBI questioned her son.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
I can understand as protective parents being upset about this,
but I mean they're out here exciting. It's floppy police work.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I well, it kind of sounds like it is. Well
and I get there and they released his name.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah, this is where I can't believe. They released his
name and.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
The FBI didn't do it. The local police did it.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
So there's been I'm sure you've seen some of the
other reports about local police, and you've got the FBI
out here at least one of their press conferences yesterday,
you know, praising thinking and almost immediately actually when this happened,
the local police working in conjunction with them. Because let's
go back to the Butler Pennsylvania attempts at assassination on
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the president's life. Remember when people were like there was
no communication between the FBI or Secret Service and the
local police. So now we've got the communication or I
don't know do we Is it causing more confusion? Is
there a lack thereof I'm not sure, but.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Well, this Zach Kureshi, he'd tended a turning point event
before and was there to hear Charlie speak. He was
devastated for his family. He didn't have anything to tell
the FBI that everyone there on the ground didn't also
see his mother said, Zach Kurai. Korshi is the graduate
of Brigham Young University.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Yeah, this is very unfortunate. I know that with I
looked up to see if his accounts were you know,
set to private or maybe paused. I mean, this is
one of those things where I think, what would I do?
And I would because of the online hate that they.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Mentioned, I'd be pissed.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Well, I wouldn't so much blame. Oh, I would be
pissed if they released my name. I wouldn't be pissed
at authorities for questioning me.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Oh I would.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Oh I would.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
I mean you say that, but I mean and now
here I've heard all week long about if it comes
from immigration or it comes to this case or whatever. Well,
if you got nothing to hide and know, I'm perfectly
fine with being quite like, I don't. I'm sorry, I don't.
I don't believe that, because put yourself in that situation,
I would. I would.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I would be. I would be shocked.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
I would be.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
But if I could be some help in some way,
and then if they kept pressing when I had nothing
more to give, then I would be upset. And especially
if they put my name out there. Yeah, I'd be pissed.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Well, this isn't like talking to them. It's them taking
you into custody. And you're like, I didn't do anything,
tell me what. You wouldn't be upset, you'd be just
like I want to help all I can. It's okay,
take me into custody. Wrongly, I'm fine with this.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
They went too far releasing his name, And yes, I
would be. I would be a lot of things. If
they took me into custody and held me for all
this time and release my name, Yes I would. That
would go to a level with which.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Thank you, Yeah right, And I think that would be
the natural reaction of just about everybody.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
And joining us live, Former Capitol Police Chief Stephen Sunned
on a Friday edition of the show, We appreciate you
joining us this morning. We were just hearing, oh gosh,
not moments ago over our shoulder here on the National
CBS scale of the Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro, I insert
boy Illinois Governor D. B. Pritsker yesterday. Now, now we
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have this this morning, chiding the president's response to Charlie
Kirk's assassination. Appreciate you joining us, Stephen this morning, saying
that it was divisive and that we need to hear,
you know, tamp down the rhetoric. And I just I'm
curious your reaction this morning to all of this. Being
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a former law enforcement officer, Hey, good morning, Thank you.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Very much for having me on. Yeah, I think things
have become so divided and lately we've just seen people
being dehumanized repeatedly when you have people, you know, calling
the president nazi and fascists and coming out and specifically,
you know, toward a lot of conservatives saying that you know,
they're they're fascists. You hear that repeatedly, their Nazis, and
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they're gonna end the end of democracy. This is a
fight for democracy, and you'll never get to vote again.
You know, when they keep doing that type of hyperbole,
you know it it drives people that you know, maybe
maybe on the edge. You know, it really concerns me
because you a lot of people that are out there
looking at this stuff online and then begins to drive
them to violence. You're seeing it more and more. You've
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seen that a lot of protests. You see it at
some of the pro Palestinian protests. Anybody that comes up
to counter protests, the protesters immediately start turning toward violence
towards the counter protests. So you're seeing it out there.
Just it concerns me, you know a lot as a
law enforcement official.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Gee, if you took your fair share of heat during
the January sixth riots. They've reopened a new January sixth
investigative committee. In your own words, you know one, don't
you give us a quick synopsis of how you view
what happened on January sixth.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
January six was one hundred percent preventable. In my own words,
That's exactly how I viewed it. I've been law enforcement
for thirty years. I'm somebody that deals with facts. The
fact is a lot of people may not realize it.
I requested National Guard twice in advance of January sixth,
specifically to support my perimeter. Was denied twice. I'm required
by federal law. Congress put in a law over their
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own chief to us nineteen seventy that requires obtained permission
to bring in any federal resources. I was denied twice.
On Sunday, January third, three days in advance of January sixth,
I can tell you for a fact, the Pentagon called
late that day to offer national assistance. So when President
Trump says he offered ten thousand troops, I don't know
the number that we would have done an assessment. They
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would have based on our assessment, but they offered troops,
and I had to deny that request because by law
I didn't have the authority to accept it. Now fast
forward to January sixth, we come, we have the Ride
of ben At twelve fifty three on the West Front,
twelve fifty eight, I make my first request to the
Capitol Police Board, the two sergeant arms. Specifically, I still
by law have to ask permission to bring in National
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Guard National Guard. I have one hundred and fifty five
troops with an eyesight of the Capitol, he said. Paul
Irvings specifically says he's gonna run it up to chain
to Speaker Pelosi, I have to make eleven more calls
for the next seventy one minutes before he gives me
approval to bring in resources. And I finally got approved
at two oh nine, five minutes before the first window
of the Capitol was broken to begin the end of
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the building. So it has now come out in testimony.
The leader of the Washington the DC Nation Guard, has
testified that if he had gotten a permission right away,
he could have come and supported the perimeter. And the
congressional courts have said if they had proved my request
on January third, Jenisar the Capital have never been breached
and we wouldn't be sitting here having this conversation.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Former Capitol Police Chief Stephen Son joining us live here
on ninety four to three WSC. Given your background in
the DC area in law enforcement, I am curious your
thoughts on the President's current DC crime crackdown and as
possibly being a rinse and repeat option for this administration
to deploy in other cities.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Well, I absolutely think it is a great blueprint for
other cities. And not only was I with Capital Police,
I was with DC Police for twenty five years and
during that time we did plenty of these initiatives. We
did Summer Crime Initiative, we did the Statsystreet the initiative
during the nineteen nineties. I still have my Task Force
tea shirt where we brought in DEA, FBI atf the
same people they're bringing in now. And we even brought
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a National Guard to help support missions like lighting and
air support missions. So it's happened before. People don't realize that.
It's now become a big deal because Trump invoked Section
seven forty of the Home Rule Act, and you know
everyone now is against it. But we do this all
the time. Many cities have task Force, federal task forces
that do this. It needs to be done. It's had
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great results. I mean, fifty seven percent reduction to homicides,
eighty seven percent reductions in car jagging. We had so
many juveniles stealing cars and killing people dragging with their cars.
It was absolutely certain. So it is working. It is
a great, I think blueprint for the cities. Why do
you have some governors and Maya's coming out against it
is beyond me.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Chief. I want to jump back to January sixth for
a minute, just because you know there's this new committee
that's opened a new investigation and you know, the if
you there was the made for TV January sixth to
you know show essentially where there was a very biased
presentation of what exactly happened on January sixth, and then
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you hear you know he said, she said, each side
telling a different story. What would you like to see
come out of this new investigation?
Speaker 4 (15:44):
So I applaud Speaker Johnson for pushing it. I applaud
the President for pushing it as well. Chairman Barry louder
Milk will be running it. He ran the last previous
one after the Select Committee, and they've been they're actually
doing an investigation to find out what went wrong? Where
were the intelligence figures? Where were the fairres with the
military response? So actually looking into it I think right
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now what they need to look into is is one,
what were what did the military intelligence know in advance?
And what communications did they have with members of Congress.
I would love to know that. What communications did the
Capitol Police Board when I made my request the two
sergeant arms have with the leadership, Speaker Pelosi McConnell in advance,
what discussions did they have about any possibility of violence?
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And what if any intelligence agencies brief members of Congress
in advance of any possibility of violence. Those are a
couple of key things I'd look for. I know Chairman
lauder Milk has indicated I maybe you know, called down.
I'm ready. You know, I've willingly testified since February twenty
twenty one when they had the first hearing before the Senate,
and I'll readily testify. Go down. I'm a person of facts.
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I've got my receipts and I'm ready to go.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
You've actually written a book, Courage under Fire, that definite
you know, the definitive account from inside that day, and
it's gripping a minute by minute.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Yeah, I appreciate that. Never planned on writing a book.
I you know, when Speaker Pelosi ripped me out of
my position, literally had me move out over the weekend,
I said, started doing my own after action. I had
whistleblowers come out of the would work and you know,
just ended up putting this thing together and people have
looked at and said, man, this is this is important.
You got to put this out. And now members of
Congress have called it the definitive after action. It's been
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referenced in congressional reports entered into the congressional record. Universities
have used it to teach from because it's going to
give you the facts. It's not going to give you
a bunch of bs about what happened. I'm gonna I'm
gonna provide you with the facts that that's the person
I am. I'm not somebody that's just going to politicize this,
because I don't think that's right the Chief.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
If I were you, I would feel that they try
to escape goat me. Do you feel that way.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
I've had many people people say that I'm not somebody
that's gonna, you know, say you jump in and kitle
myself in that fashion. But I will tell you Congress
in December of twenty twenty four exonerated me by name
in their final report from the previous committee, which means
a lot to me. That absolutely means a tremendous man.
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I never expected that, But I do believe that there
was things that this could have been prevented, so easily prevented,
and I still wonder why it was allowed to happen.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
That's a great question.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yeah, I think we're all wondering that.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I want to say thank you for your service. Chief.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I appreciate that thank you very much, Yes, sir, Retired
Chief Steven sund former Washington, d C. Capitol Police Chief,
thank you for your time this morning, sir, and stay well.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Yep, you two have a good day.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
So it looks like there may be a suspect in custody. Well,
it looks like there is a suspecting custody. According to
President Trump, that's what he told Fox News this morning.
He says somebody very close to him turned him in.
He said he expects officials to give an update later today.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
He's speaking live now. In fact, I don't know if
we want to. He's talking about crime. He's talking about
the fomenting politically of you know people you know saying
on the left that you know, his words were too incendiary.
I'm not sure if we want to join it here
just to see.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
They took the Unselect committee that you know, investigated stuff.
It found out that we were right on everything. They
burned all the information because we were right on everything.
Nancy Pelosi knew. I told her, I said, I'll give
you ten thousand troops January sixth I'll give you ten
thousand troops if you'd like. No, we don't want them.
(19:27):
Oh well, they found out that was true. They found
out it was true, they burned everything, and Biden gave
them a pardon. He gave these people in the committee,
it's Congress people, he gave them a pardon. And it's
so what they did, what he did to this country
will live in infamy. What he did is and I say, Lawrence,
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I say what he and his people because he was
up sleeping most of the time, he should not have
been president.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Oh, I lost the feed. Unfortunately, we steeve can get
it back here.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I mean, that's very interesting because we just had live
the Washington, d C. Capitol Police former chief on saying
the same exact thing about these requested troops. Nancy Pelosi's
a liar. Joe Biden is a liar. These people snookered
us for four years, and there's still people out there
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that think that they were the good guys, that they
were there to save us from Trump.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
We couldn't have planned that Live with Sundon now, Trump
speaking live on Fox just.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Now, and it really makes you think that that may
have been a coup, this whole Biden presidency.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Well, well, we see Auto Penn, I know we have
a story potentially here coming up of a KJP. You know,
his former't White House Press secretary is being hauled out
before Congress. I don't expect she'll say anything, but she's
not going to say any She's never said anything.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
I mean, she's just lied through her teeth and was inadequate.
And that's being generous at her job. I mean, think
how serious this is where he said they burned the
evidence and why would they do that? I mean you could,
I mean you might be able to argue, well, they
were trying to avoid responsibility. And for their effectless reaction
to this whole thing, I don't know. I think it
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calls a whole lot more into question. And everybody you
know says, oh, you're one of those. And like I said,
one of my friends, one of my liberal friends, you know,
called me unpatriotic, un American for talking about this stuff
the other morning.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
I think the opposite, and it's I'm patriotic for you
not to listen.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
So I'm not on the liar's side, that's for sure.
And so far you just heard the president. We just
heard five minutes ago the former Capitol police chief say
the same thing. So who do you think is lying?
The former Capitol Police Chief in last week. You know,
we had the head of the DC police union on
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saying much of the same thing. So who's the liars here?
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Well, and to recap the breaking news here, Trump is
saying live on Fox as we are broadcasting, that Charlie
Kirk Shooter is in custody. He said, we have him.
So we're going to bring the latest updates here as
they unfold.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, and it sounds like much more is not going
to come out until later in the day once they
interrogate this guy. And I'm sure there's going to be
a press conference scheduled for later today. That's according to
the President. He said, I'm sure that the officials are
going to have some kind of announcement coming up later.
So you know, of course, we'll bring that to you
as it happens. Well, we can continue with I think
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we should can continue. I don't know why I can't
spit that because.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
It's been a rough week.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yes, why I think we should continue with what we
were just talking about. And the President on TV saying
a that they have a Charlie Kirk Shooter in custody, Yes,
back in custody, and so that's breaking news and Then
during this conversation with Fox and Friends, the President went
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on to talk about Nancy Pelosi in January sixth, this
new January sixth committee that they formed, saying that you
know that they burned evidence before, and remember when they
tried to lock this evidence up for seventy five years,
that the Benny Johnson and Nancy Pelosi and Liz Cheney
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and Adam Kinzinger all try to hide from us.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
They locked up reporters. Do you remember when Glenn Beck
coming up live nine here on ninety four to three
WSC week days after us, one of his reporters was
locked up for covering January sixth because he released video
they couldn't destroy.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah, and we just had a few minutes ago the
former Capitol Police chief Stephen Sunned on with us, who
was saying the same thing. And remember he wouldn't say
it has enough honor. Where I asked him, I said,
would you consider yourself to be a scapegoat because that's
what other people were saying. He said, well, that's what
other people are saying, but I would not use those
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words to describe myself.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
But yeah, he rose above it.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
But you know what, I'll say it for him. Yeah,
they scapegoated him, and he talked about how he had
to request that he and he confirmed that the president
requested National Guard troops. He confirmed that he himself requested
National Guard troops and was told that it needed to
be run up the chain to Nancy Pelosi. And what
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was the number of minutes I can't remember exactly what
he said, seventy something minutes.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Later, Yeah, it was seventy two.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
It was over an hour later. And he said, so
finally when we were able to do something that was
right when when they finally got the go ahead, it
was right when the capital the first window was broken
in the Capitol. So, in other words, too late and
stunning that it took this long. And it's just little
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by little by little that this information.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Comes out five years later.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
And like I said, even we talked about it when
there was the formation of this new January sixth committee.
The other day, you know, I'm getting texts from my
liberal friends saying, you know, you're on American and you're unpatriotic,
and I can't believe you're talking about this because these
people still believe their hatred for Donald Trump is so great.
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They believe that the president is the one that try
to execute a coup on the United States of America,
not the other way around, you know. And I don't
know if they're trying to hide just their how badly
they handled this thing, but it seems to me, you
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start putting the pieces together, there was more at hand
here than simply just being inept at your job.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
And that's our job. It's our job to shine light
on darkness. It's our job to ask questions. It's our
job to get the facts and separate them from fiction.
That is our job. So for anyone to call you names,
oh yeah, yea what We're used to it though.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Yeah we are. And you know, in Nancy Pelosi, her
role in this, somebody ought to investigate Nancy Pelosi. And
you see all of the fake things that they've tried
to pin on this president, everything from now calling him
a convicted rapist, which is not true, oh in, a pedophile,
a pedophile, a convicted rapist, a putin puppet. I mean,
(26:38):
look at all of the lies in misinformation and isn't
that dangerous? And especially in light of the murder assassination
of Charlie Kirk, these people, I mean, I can feel
my blood start in the warm, I'm going to start yelling,
so I'll cal him down.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
We'll take some deep breast these people.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
I'll tell you we need to go after him with
every and I mean in a violent way. No, but
Nancy Yanke all their asses up there and get the
true answers and put them on the spot and demand it.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
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