June 26, 2025 • 30 mins
This episode features Elizabeth Hussell, Colombian-American certified money coach and co-founder of Peak 360 wealth planning firm, discussing her book "The Power of Enough: Finding Joy in Your Relationship With Money."
Key Discussion Points: Elizabeth breaks down the crucial distinction between money (a social technology) and wealth (a state of being). She introduces the concept of 12 areas of wealth, where financial stability is just one slice of the pie. We dive deep into redefining abundance mindset beyond just pushing away scarcity, exploring how to connect abundance to meaning and fulfillment instead. The conversation covers breaking generational money patterns, the difference between healing and integration, and Elizabeth's innovative Wealth Mandala exercise. We also explore somatic practices for recognizing satisfaction and "enoughness" in our bodies.
About Elizabeth: Certified money coach, co-founder of Peak 360, featured in New York Times and Yahoo Finance. Created in collaboration with our Reader's Circle community inside the Seizing Happy Hybrid Community.
Jump into The Seizing Happy Hybrid Community here: https://bit.ly/SeizingHappyTribe
Key Discussion Points: Elizabeth breaks down the crucial distinction between money (a social technology) and wealth (a state of being). She introduces the concept of 12 areas of wealth, where financial stability is just one slice of the pie. We dive deep into redefining abundance mindset beyond just pushing away scarcity, exploring how to connect abundance to meaning and fulfillment instead. The conversation covers breaking generational money patterns, the difference between healing and integration, and Elizabeth's innovative Wealth Mandala exercise. We also explore somatic practices for recognizing satisfaction and "enoughness" in our bodies.
About Elizabeth: Certified money coach, co-founder of Peak 360, featured in New York Times and Yahoo Finance. Created in collaboration with our Reader's Circle community inside the Seizing Happy Hybrid Community.
Jump into The Seizing Happy Hybrid Community here: https://bit.ly/SeizingHappyTribe
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So you already know.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Inside the Seizing Happy Hybrid community, we have a reader's circle.
This is for all my fellow bookworms inside the community
who just love to nurture their mind and their soul
with learning. And I select phenomenal books that either come
recommended from other business owners or from different companies that
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I've been associated with in the past and different capacities.
And this month, the book that we were reading through
is just Fire.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
The best part of being part of this reader's circle
is that.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I get to pull the journalism card.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
And bring the authors of the books on the podcast,
and so you and I get to read these books
together inside the reader's circle in our Seizing Happy Hybrid community.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
And then you and I get to.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Interview the authors together because I use the questions that
you give me. So if there's anything in the book
that you read that you loved that maybe you were like, man,
I wish I could go deeper on that, or I
didn't really fully grasp this particular topic, you give me
those questions and I bring them with me to the interview.
So it's a lot of fun and it's really interactive,
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and it's super satisfying to get to work together to
interview and have conversations with these amazing authors of these
transformational books. And then this month we read The Power
of Enough, Finding Joy in your Relationship with Money by
Elizabeth at husserl And let me tell you what a.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Book you know.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I really like to have books that are actionable. I
don't just like information for the sake of information. I
like information that comes with integration opportunities, that comes with
guidance on how to actually apply the knowledge that I'm
acquiring through the book or the podcast or the workshop
or whatever it is. And Elizabeth does a phenomenal job
with this book at giving us the pauses in the
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reading to be able to completely integrate and apply what
we're learning. So Elizabeth is Colombian American and she's a
certified money coach. She's also the co founder of Peak
three point sixty, which is a wealth planning firm, and
her new book, The Power of Enough, which I have loved,
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it really goes deep into addressing the importance of examining
your relationship with money so that you can create real
change and dive deep into how to develop an embodied
approach to wealth. And she really goes into the difference
between wealth and money and the distinction of the two
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and why sometimes getting those two two convoluted actually keeps
us back from creating the financial dream life that we
all desire. And so she talks about the importance of
recognizing that true wealth is not just about accumulating resources,
but about cultivating a sense of vitality and purpose. She
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has been on some really phenomenal phenomenal platforms like the
Topology podcast the One You Feed Mentally Stronger, which has
over a million monthly listeners. She's been featured in author
Q and as on Yaho Finance and The New York Times.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
So, of course, of course we're going to have her
on the Chats with GG podcast. Of course we're.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Going to have her as one of the authors inside
our Seizing Happy Hybrid community that you get to enjoy
the books with me and then give me the questions
that you want to ask the authors. So I really
hope that you enjoyed this interview as much as I
enjoyed putting it together with our fellow members of the
Seizing Happy Hybrid community inside the Reader's Circle and having
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this conversation with Elizabeth, who is just absolutely amazing. This
is Chats with gg a podcast for women who are
ready to step into their power, get unstuck, and create
more freedom in all areas of life. I'm your host,
GGDZ certified life and business coach, media personality and multi
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passionate entrepreneur. I've helped hundreds of women find the necessary clarity, confidence,
and courage to build their dream life and achieve success
with less stress. If you're seeking weekly motivation, practical and
spiritual advice, and tangible resources to scale in life and
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in business, then you're in the right place.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Are you ready? Here we go.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Just before I hit record, I was sharing with Elizabeth
had a day today.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I'm like at a backup office.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
There was a Wi Fi outage in my entire area,
And right before we hit record, I just said, we'll
just leave it to God, And all of a sudden,
I just feel like this is going to be the
best podcast ever.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
That's what it always happens. Right when we surrender, life
happens so one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
But that is most definitely not what we can do
with our money, or would you say that surrender is
also part of our financial freedom power?
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Well so, I think surrender is very much part of
our wealth journey. And I think it's really important to
distinguish the fact that money and wealth are different things, right,
So I think we start there because if we separate
the two, money is a social technology. Money has very
particular functions. Wealth is a state of being. So when
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I put it in that perspective, Gigi, do we surrender
into states of being? We do? And sometimes when we
do that, that's actually when the magic occurs. So I'll
just start with that distinction.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yes, please, And so how do we get into that
state of being of wealth when we're feeling like we
don't have enough money, you know, like we'ren't have enough sales.
I have a lot of entrepreneur listeners, and I have
a lot of clients that I coach in the business
s base that are often telling me like, I want
to up my sales by thirty percent this year, I
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need to make more money in the business or whatever.
And that's definitely the opposite of what you're saying. That's
not living in a wealth state. So how do you differ.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Into how do we get into that state?
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Well, so the first thing about getting into the same
it's almost like I see your body, right, you want
to go into it. So it's a very somatic experience.
And I think that's one of the key pieces that
I bring to my readers into my work with people,
is that wealth is not something to accumulate on paper.
Wealth is an experience to be had, right, And that's
very different because when i'm you know, I'm an entrepreneur
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myself and I have a lot of clients who are entrepreneurs,
and so when we sit down and we look at
the numbers and we do financial planning and strategy, I'm
always asking what's the why behind our numbers? What's the
why behind our growth? And growth is really important. Like
my two values GG is depth and wealth. They can coexist, right,
but we have to know what's the depth beneath our
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business planning our numbers so that it has meaning.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
So that's one.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
First and foremost, and then the other thing. When I
say let's separate money and wealth is is a lot
of times I tell people let's start with your relationship
to wealth, and then let's add in the money, and
let's add in the numbers, because they have a role
to play. And when I say let's separate the two,
you know, financial stability aka where money lives is one
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slice of the wealth pie. Right, And so imagine I
like the imagery of like pedals on a flower or
spokes on a wheel, like, So each one of them
is a slice with people like pie. It's a slice
of pie. And financial stability is one of twelve that
I work with, and all of them add to our
experience of wealth. Right, So it's financial stability, safety, physical health, connection, belonging, purpose, understanding.
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All of these are areas that make up our human needs.
And I say that really slowly and on purpose, because
I feel like if we just accept that all humans
have the exact same needs, but how we satisfy our
needs is unique and personal, then it starts to get
really interesting and exciting and creative. But we put aside
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this idea of being needing, be like, no, I'm a human,
I have these needs. I can get really creative on
how I experience wealth in all of them. And I'll
come back to the financial stability and growing my business
in it. But let me make sure that i'm also
which is so much your message, GG. You can't just
grow the business. You have to take care of the
entrepreneur beneath the business, right. And so when you start
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to see wealth more holistically, then we're taking care of
all these areas of wealth as we build. I think
what I wanted to emphasize, gg this is your message, right,
Your message is isn't just growing businesses, but it's taking
care of the entrepreneur beneath the business, right. And so
that is exactly what I'm talking about, is that when
we're looking at wealth more holistically and looking at these
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other areas that make us feel wealthy, where I can
experience well being, That's what it is. It's a state
of wellbeing, physical, health, understanding, purpose, belonging, connection, touch all
these things that are important to us. We can make
sure that as we build our businesses, it's not at
the expense of these other areas in our lives. Right.
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And so when we start to then say, okay, where
are my areas that I'm wanting to grow more. Maybe
it is in my business planning because I have these goals,
but maybe it's also in connection or participation or purpose.
When you look at the resources at the beginning of
the year and you do your business planning and I
use resources more widely, it's money, it's creativity, it's connection, right,
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It's resilience. All of these resources that we have access,
then we start to say, Okay, what am I channeling
to each of the needs that I'm satisfying, Because as
I said before, our needs are universal, the ways we
satisfy are personal. And what I like to tell people
GG is that when you're making your business plan and
you're satisfying these different needs, make sure that you have
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an equal list of what are my financial monetary strategies
to grow my business, to add more clients, to increase sales,
and what are my non financial strategies. Because if we
have clarity on our non financial strategies to increase our
sense of wellbeing, we loosen the dependency that we have
on money as a society, and that's when we start
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to find agency and empowerment. Right, So that's the piece.
It's like, we all know what it's like to be
in relationship and have relationship styles that just don't feel good. Right.
Are you an anxious attacher? Are you an avoidant? So
it's the same thing with money, and so if I
know how to satisfy my needs with money and without money,
that's the true financial independence that we all crave.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I love that and I also love by the way,
I just want to say one of my favorite things
about the way that your book is structured is that
it is so actionable, Like you don't just explain these things,
but you actually give us the steps to follow, to apply,
to integrate, and to make it a part of our
day to day life, our decision making. And so I
absolutely love that because I feel like sometimes we learn
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so much and as entrepreneurs are like, yeah, personal growth,
and we're like reading all the books, I'm listening to
all the podcasts, but like there's no steps to actually
make it part of our day to day life. And
you definitely give us that in the book. Then one
of the things I love is this concept of an
abundance mindset. Right, Like everyone's like abundance mindset, abundance mindset,
but you have a really particular take on the abundance
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mindset and a very important element that it leaves out
when it comes to the implementation part.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
So give me a little of that.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Yeah, And so you know, because I've been well a,
I've been on this journey for twenty years, right, So
it's so actionable because I've been practicing this on myself
and with my clients for a really long time, but
I always like, you know, I love the abundance mindset,
but I was also I would struggle with it. I'm like,
what am I struggling with? Right? And so when I
brought it back somatically to my body, I'm like, if
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my intention is to help people experience wealth, not just
accumulate it, I was like, Okay, what do people do?
We push scarcity away? So literally we take our hands
up and we're pushing scarce city away, and we're trying
to grasp onto abundance, right, So we're holding on and
if you look gig, both of those require effort. And
I was like, oh, there's no surrender in that, right,
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And so part of the like, let me just relax
my grip for a second and lean into meaning and fulfillment.
Abundance starts to take a different spin where it's not
about always wanting more to offset feelings of lack, but
it's in fact getting super clear what's the more that
would add meaning and fulfillment in what I offer in
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my sur and how I earn money in my experience
of wealth in the world. And that's the key component, right,
that makes a distinction between is it conscious consumption that's
filling you up or is it empty calories? And we
all know what that feels like. It doesn't quite nourish us.
And so that's the component of like abundance in a
vacuum still doesn't make sense. We're still grasping, but abundance
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connected to fulfillment and meaning. It's like I can feel
it in my body as I say that is the
power of enough. It's like the well of worthiness that
just starts to bubble up from within.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
And what a beautiful way to have that well of
worthiness and the way that it overflows into everything else
that we do. I feel like that's such a powerful foundation,
even for the way we sell, the way we price
our packages, the way that we approach our clients, the
way that we support others, both in business and outside
of business. I feel like it just overflows into so
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many different areas of life, right Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Like I was talking to a friend I yesterday and
she's like, oh, yeah, Elizabeth, I had these income goals
for me in twenty twenty five, and then I was
listening to your book and I was like, why was
I feeling so stressed about this income goal? And she's like,
the reality was that I was setting myself to do
things that were going to keep me overly busy to
make sure I met that income goal, taking away from
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the areas that I really wanted to focus on to
bring a sense of purpose and participation. So she's like,
I was listening to Elizabeth, and I went back to
my spreadsheet, and I'm like, what do I really need
to make and why and what are the areas that
if I were to earn money would make me feel
like I'm earning my income goal, but I'm also meeting
these other needs. And that's the synergy, right, Like, that's
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when magic, when money becomes magical, and our experience of
wealth is just deep in our bones and we feel fulfilled,
right Like, we will never retire from that, And.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
That is another powerful conversation.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I was speaking recently with a financial advisor who was
talking about the concept of retirement, right and how she
was like a lot of people, the concept of re
retirement has been given to us as that thing you
do when you're tired and old and you just go
wither away somewhere. And that's why so many of us
are like, I'll never retire. I'll never retire because the
idea of retirement is to wither someplace elsewhere with no
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purpose and nothing else to do. But we will never
retire from our desire for purpose and fulfillment. And so
what if we could just attach that to the way
we live and the way we structure the elements of
our life, be it in business and sales, but also
in the things that matter more than business and sales, right, right.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
When we get to redefine what success means, right, and
it's a more sustainable path instead of a sprint because
we're exhausted in this country, we're sprinting towards this retirement goal.
Like where's the why, where's the power of enough? How
much is enough? And so you know, like and I'll
just say, retirement is actually a pretty new modern concept, right.
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It was invented in the nineteen thirties when social security
came into being because people were living till sixty seven
and they were being retired at sixty five. It was
a very short period of time, which was really that
like old person stage. And somehow that got kind of
like like integrated into our cultural conversation, right, that that
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is financial independence. But to your point, it's a huge
identity crisis for a lot of people because they feel
that their value has gone away. And so I do
think we retire from certain things, and people do retire
from a W two and maybe that's when they become
an entrepreneur, But we'll never retire from our creativity and
all these other human needs that we're in relationship with
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every day.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Yeah, that are truly where our joy and happiness lie, right,
one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
And so let's talk about wealth mandalas.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Let's bring that into the conversation, because you just talked
about creativity and I feel like that's a great segue
into drawing our wealth mandalas.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
So break that down for us.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Yeah, So wealth mandala, the word mandola means circle and Sanskrit, right,
and it's a path towards joy instead of suffering. And
so I really use that intentionally, GG, because I feel like,
you know, not everyone thinks of their relationship to money
with joy, and I really am here to tell you
that it can be joyful. And so and what I'm
doing with the wealth mandola is really making a point
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and making that separation of money and wealth. And so
it's like, Okay, put your relationship to money aside and
we have many other tools to look at that that
we can talk about, but let's look at your relationship
to wealth and so literally, it's a one page mondola
that you can print for free from my website and
I did this over the weekend with my daughter, my
teenage daughter, my husband. You take a color, you look
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at these different needs and you color on a scale
of one to ten ten feeling very fulfilled in this
different need. So again, need for understanding or purpose, or
freedom or physical health, safety, leisure, touch, curiosity, creativity, financial stability.
And if you're feeling low or a lack in this need, right,
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you can color it very little. If you're feeling very fulfilled,
color it all.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
The way to the brim.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
And what I tell GG is that once you're done
with coloring, actually have my daughter somewhere is you look
at it and it's this beautiful flower. Right, this is
the flower of your life in a moment of time.
And I always tell people, appreciate it for what it is. Right,
come with a sense of grace and love and non judgment.
That's what it looks like. Go to the areas that
you feel very fulfilled and ask yourself what is working there?
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And really give yourself one of those like pat on
the back moments like yeah, you do know how to
fulfill your life, right, and just like take that in,
integrate and digest that. Then go to the areas that
potentially you feel lack or poverty in and that's a
little bit of an edginess there that we feel poverty
in different ways that is not just financial, And let
yourself go to that area and be like, huh, what's
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happening in my world in that area that's making me
feel lack there? Right? Am I feeling overwhelmed? Do I
have a list of questions or things I need to
tend to? Is Am I going through a physical health
moment that is scaring me? Like there's or that I
just moved to a new community and I know no one,
so I don't belong right. Let your I'll be with
what's what's what's impacting it? And then I tell people
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I don't do New Year's resolutions. I do New Year's
wealth mondolas, and I choose two needs every year to
address where I can channel more resources too, and again
both monetary resources and non monetary resources. And I do
that with my family every year. We get to choose to,
and we know as a unit what we're working on,
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and we become each other's best wealth friends and money
friends because we're making decisions collectively on where our resources
are going.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
And then I, you know, I wonder, we're always doing
so much inner work, right. We're applying these things schools
and these techniques, and we're just trying to break the
generational traumas of finances.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
And all these other things.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
And I'm an immigrant, right, and so I was born
in Cuba, third world country pretty much and lacking of
literally everything. And I wonder as I grow and I
do the learning and I do the work, and I
do the healing, and I work with coaches and other
people and experts, sometimes I wonder, can it really truly
be healed? Like all the money trauma that we have
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that we carry on from generation to generations, can it
truly be healed? Or is it just like an endless
process that some part of it's still going to end
up with my kid and their kid and their kid.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Like what do you have to say about that?
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Yeah? And I got chills when you just said that, Gigi,
because it's such an important question, right, And I would say,
can it truly be healed? I don't know, but can
it be integrated? Yes? I think there's a distinction there, right,
And you talk a lot about this in your podcast,
which is the importance of integration, which basically means bringing
awareness to your ancestral lineage. Like my family's from Columbia, right,
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and my grandfather was from austra who left the World
war during World War Two. Like, there's a lot of
displacement in our lineage. So what I like to tell
people that do spend some time just writing your story
and knowing your story and then look back and be like, Okay,
what are those little pieces that I want to pick up.
I'm like, oh, yeah, both my grandparents were entrepreneurs. One
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went through bankruptcy twice and picked himself back up with
a family of six. Right. I'm like, oh, I got
resiliency in my bones. Right, I'm going to take that
with me. My grandmother grandfather was a CPA. I'm like, oh,
I feel comfortable with numbers. I'm going to take that
with me, right. And do I have to heal their past? No,
But I can be aware of what how their past
influenced me, So I don't have to pass that on.
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I mean, that is why I wrote the book. I
wrote the book because I was committed to not passing
on an experience of scarcity to my daughter. Right. I
came from families that had experienced scarcity. Then my mom
and dad created something different but still felt scarcity. And
I was like, why why are we still feeling scarcity?
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If it's no longer part of our reality? How do
I do my work so I don't pass that on?
So that was my commitment. I think everyone can make
their commitment. Are they going to solve everything? No? But
what's that one commitment to the next year? Generation focus
and celebrate that? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I mean I think even just that level of awareness
of saying I am committed to healing this part. I
mean even a one to two percent improvement in healing
our past. I don't want to just use the word trauma,
but like all the baggage and the nonsense that we
carry on, right, Like, even just a one to two
percent improvement on that is enormous for children.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
And to talk about it with them, like, for example,
like one of my money triggers is wastefulness, Right, I
know where.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
It came from.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
It still you know irks me and now with my family,
one we laugh about it, and two we have the
mistakes line item in our budget, right because I married
someone who can sometimes not track and make financial mistakes
and it drives me crazy. And my daughter's like, Mom,
remember we have a mistakes budget. I'm like, right, we're human, right,
And so this is a conversation where it doesn't mean
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the triggers go away, but they're the more we talk
about it, the less triggered I feel, the more I
can laugh about it, I feel less lonely in my
internal experience of it. So I think that's the piece.
It's like, choose those things that you're like, this doesn't
serve me anymore, and it's not going to change overnight,
but I'm going to be a little bit more courageous
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in facing that one thing, and I'm going to take
a little bit more of a vulnerability risk and share
it with my intimate circles, like, hey, this is what
I'm working on. And that's the other piece about you know,
my book, Gigi was like these many moments of questions,
like asking questions throughout the book because we don't talk
enough about money.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Well that was my next question is we are talking
about it because we're currently on this path. But like
you said, you have your family unit to bring with you.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
And money, the conversation of money is still such a
social taboo. People are well, nobody wants to talk about
how much they make or how much they charge. People
are scared to charge for their own services and products,
and like, debt is such a big word and like
everybody has it, but nobody wants to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
And it's just like, how do.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
We remove that that weights from our shoulders? And how
do we give permission also to the people in our
circle to say, these are the conversations I want to
have with you and that we should be having.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Oh I get chills again? Do you do such great questions?
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Right?
Speaker 3 (24:13):
It really is again separating money from wealth. That's the
really key piece, because we can talk about our experience
of wealth, right, And we can talk about wealth and
money without the use of numbers, because that's when it
starts to get hard, right when we start comparing ourselves.
Did I make this as much as you did? Did
you make more? Do you spend more? Do you have
more in debt? Oh? That makes me feel better? Right?
And so the numbers come in the comparisons click off.
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And so again, if we say, okay, money is a technology.
Money has four main functions, right, it's an exchange, it
stores value, we use it for credit. And so when
it has those four functions, and it's a social technology,
that can sometimes replace our experience of trust, right, And
that's why so like whishuld w wash you. We're like, oh,
if you don't know me, but I flash you you
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know a lot of allar a bility. You're be like, oh,
oh she's trustworthy. Right, That's how we have created relationships.
And so so if we put money aside for a second,
knowing that as a technology, social media is a technology
and we know it can be used for good and
it can totally take us down that rabbit hole. But
it's a technology that has its wisdom and it has
its shadow, but that is not what defines wealth. And
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if we start to do that work, we can talk
about wealth in ourselves, in our family units, with our friends,
and we can find a way into talking about wealth
and money in a way that's less charged and less comparative,
because it really is an individual journey. If you let
if you let yourself do that and you let yourself
imagine that.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
I also want to talk about the physical parts of
wealth and money and integration, and you talk about it
so much, and I felt when I was reading your book,
I really loved the way that you bring this physical
element to healing our money trauma and to expanding in
(26:04):
our wealth and in our abilities financially through physical movements.
Let's talk about that, because that is I've never seen
that connection made before, and I know how powerful it is.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
But the way you break it down in the book
is just verb.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Yeah, thank you. And I think what I'm making as
distinction is is kind of like in these conversations around scarcity,
we've talked about like sufficiency and abundance, right, it's saying
I have enough. But what I want to bring to
the table is this idea of satiation, of feeling satisfied
where I feel enough. So it's a different somatic experience
(26:42):
to what you're saying. And so what I like to
tell people is that, I mean, it's so simple, but
and I put it in the beginning of the book
because it's so simple, and I want people to practice
and I have it, Like it's been amazing the feedback
I've gotten is that I'm inviting people to recognize those
moments where they felt satisfied, fulfilled, where there was enough
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and they felt enough to simply stop swallow and consume
that moment of satiation, knowing that the more we teach
our body to feel fulfilled, it compounds like interest compounds
in our bank accounts. And that's the key piece, because
there's been so much research, Gigi that we do have
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scarcity brains. We are wired to seek, and so let's
just like accept that, right, and that's what kept us alive.
We're wired to seek calories, we're wired to seek shelter,
and so our brain is like scanning the world for
safety and be like, how are we going to survive?
And our body has wisdom to tell our brain, hey,
we're safe, we're good, right, we feel enough, we feel satisfied.
(27:48):
And so it's this conversation between our mind center and
our body center that can start to shift our experience
of wealth. But we have to let our body have
space in our day to be like, oh, yeah, that
felt good. And again, the easiest way is go back.
We all know what a good meal feels like, So
start to take those little units of saciation or moments
of meaning. Another author calls them memory dividends, right, like
(28:10):
your portfolio pays dividends, So these are memory dividends. But
then take the extra added step of closing your eyes swallowing.
It's a second of integration and just watching that moment
of meaning travel all the way to your toes, telling
all of your cells and your body we feel enough,
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and walk in the world from that place and see
what happens.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
This is so yummy, and I feel like I could
talk to you all day and there's so much more
in this book that.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
I want to get into. But also I'm not going
to give it all away.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
And so the one last question that I have for
you is for somebody who is listening to this episode
right now, who is ready and they're like, okay, step
number one. What is the one piece of advice? What
would you say is step number one for them to take?
Because there's so much step.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
That, yes, there's so much, but step number one. And
based on our conversation today, Gigi, I would say, give
yourself a thirty day satiation challenge. Right, it's not gratitude,
not what you're thankful for, but thirty day at the
end of each day, right, three things that satisfied you,
which moment time stopped. We all know what satisfaction. Write
them down for thirty days, then go back to your
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journal after thirty days. It's a freaking free exercise. And
then go through and be like, what are the patterns?
What am I doing that brings satisfaction? How do I
heighten that? How do I maybe reinforce that? And start
to show start to show your mind that your body
actually knows how to recognize enoughness. And then from there
again the conversation opens. But if you just start to
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exercise that muscles by going to the money Jim right
or the wealth Jim is, start to practice that satiation
muscle for thirty days, see what happens.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
I love that. Thank you so much for joining us
on the show today.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
I can't wait to talk with you some more offline
and do great things to together. And it's been such
a pleasure to enjoy this book and I'm still in
the integration process. Thank you for writing this. It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Thank you GG for having me. This is amazing. Enjoy everyone.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
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Speaker 1 (30:17):
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So you already know.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Inside the Seizing Happy Hybrid community, we have a reader's circle.
This is for all my fellow bookworms inside the community
who just love to nurture their mind and their soul
with learning. And I select phenomenal books that either come
recommended from other business owners or from different companies that
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I've been associated with in the past and different capacities.
And this month, the book that we were reading through
is just Fire.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
The best part of being part of this reader's circle
is that.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I get to pull the journalism card.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
And bring the authors of the books on the podcast,
and so you and I get to read these books
together inside the reader's circle in our Seizing Happy Hybrid community.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
And then you and I get to.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Interview the authors together because I use the questions that
you give me. So if there's anything in the book
that you read that you loved that maybe you were like, man,
I wish I could go deeper on that, or I
didn't really fully grasp this particular topic, you give me
those questions and I bring them with me to the interview.
So it's a lot of fun and it's really interactive,
(01:24):
and it's super satisfying to get to work together to
interview and have conversations with these amazing authors of these
transformational books. And then this month we read The Power
of Enough, Finding Joy in your Relationship with Money by
Elizabeth at husserl And let me tell you what a.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Book you know.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I really like to have books that are actionable. I
don't just like information for the sake of information. I
like information that comes with integration opportunities, that comes with
guidance on how to actually apply the knowledge that I'm
acquiring through the book or the podcast or the workshop
or whatever it is. And Elizabeth does a phenomenal job
with this book at giving us the pauses in the
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reading to be able to completely integrate and apply what
we're learning. So Elizabeth is Colombian American and she's a
certified money coach. She's also the co founder of Peak
three point sixty, which is a wealth planning firm, and
her new book, The Power of Enough, which I have loved,
(02:32):
it really goes deep into addressing the importance of examining
your relationship with money so that you can create real
change and dive deep into how to develop an embodied
approach to wealth. And she really goes into the difference
between wealth and money and the distinction of the two
(02:57):
and why sometimes getting those two two convoluted actually keeps
us back from creating the financial dream life that we
all desire. And so she talks about the importance of
recognizing that true wealth is not just about accumulating resources,
but about cultivating a sense of vitality and purpose. She
(03:20):
has been on some really phenomenal phenomenal platforms like the
Topology podcast the One You Feed Mentally Stronger, which has
over a million monthly listeners. She's been featured in author
Q and as on Yaho Finance and The New York Times.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
So, of course, of course we're going to have her
on the Chats with GG podcast. Of course we're.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Going to have her as one of the authors inside
our Seizing Happy Hybrid community that you get to enjoy
the books with me and then give me the questions
that you want to ask the authors. So I really
hope that you enjoyed this interview as much as I
enjoyed putting it together with our fellow members of the
Seizing Happy Hybrid community inside the Reader's Circle and having
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this conversation with Elizabeth, who is just absolutely amazing. This
is Chats with gg a podcast for women who are
ready to step into their power, get unstuck, and create
more freedom in all areas of life. I'm your host,
GGDZ certified life and business coach, media personality and multi
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passionate entrepreneur. I've helped hundreds of women find the necessary clarity, confidence,
and courage to build their dream life and achieve success
with less stress. If you're seeking weekly motivation, practical and
spiritual advice, and tangible resources to scale in life and
(04:47):
in business, then you're in the right place.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Are you ready? Here we go.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Just before I hit record, I was sharing with Elizabeth
had a day today.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I'm like at a backup office.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
There was a Wi Fi outage in my entire area,
And right before we hit record, I just said, we'll
just leave it to God, And all of a sudden,
I just feel like this is going to be the
best podcast ever.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
That's what it always happens. Right when we surrender, life
happens so one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
But that is most definitely not what we can do
with our money, or would you say that surrender is
also part of our financial freedom power?
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Well so, I think surrender is very much part of
our wealth journey. And I think it's really important to
distinguish the fact that money and wealth are different things, right,
So I think we start there because if we separate
the two, money is a social technology. Money has very
particular functions. Wealth is a state of being. So when
(05:52):
I put it in that perspective, Gigi, do we surrender
into states of being? We do? And sometimes when we
do that, that's actually when the magic occurs. So I'll
just start with that distinction.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yes, please, And so how do we get into that
state of being of wealth when we're feeling like we
don't have enough money, you know, like we'ren't have enough sales.
I have a lot of entrepreneur listeners, and I have
a lot of clients that I coach in the business
s base that are often telling me like, I want
to up my sales by thirty percent this year, I
(06:23):
need to make more money in the business or whatever.
And that's definitely the opposite of what you're saying. That's
not living in a wealth state. So how do you differ.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Into how do we get into that state?
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Well, so the first thing about getting into the same
it's almost like I see your body, right, you want
to go into it. So it's a very somatic experience.
And I think that's one of the key pieces that
I bring to my readers into my work with people,
is that wealth is not something to accumulate on paper.
Wealth is an experience to be had, right, And that's
very different because when i'm you know, I'm an entrepreneur
(06:55):
myself and I have a lot of clients who are entrepreneurs,
and so when we sit down and we look at
the numbers and we do financial planning and strategy, I'm
always asking what's the why behind our numbers? What's the
why behind our growth? And growth is really important. Like
my two values GG is depth and wealth. They can coexist, right,
but we have to know what's the depth beneath our
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business planning our numbers so that it has meaning.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
So that's one.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
First and foremost, and then the other thing. When I
say let's separate money and wealth is is a lot
of times I tell people let's start with your relationship
to wealth, and then let's add in the money, and
let's add in the numbers, because they have a role
to play. And when I say let's separate the two,
you know, financial stability aka where money lives is one
(07:39):
slice of the wealth pie. Right, And so imagine I
like the imagery of like pedals on a flower or
spokes on a wheel, like, So each one of them
is a slice with people like pie. It's a slice
of pie. And financial stability is one of twelve that
I work with, and all of them add to our
experience of wealth. Right, So it's financial stability, safety, physical health, connection, belonging, purpose, understanding.
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All of these are areas that make up our human needs.
And I say that really slowly and on purpose, because
I feel like if we just accept that all humans
have the exact same needs, but how we satisfy our
needs is unique and personal, then it starts to get
really interesting and exciting and creative. But we put aside
(08:27):
this idea of being needing, be like, no, I'm a human,
I have these needs. I can get really creative on
how I experience wealth in all of them. And I'll
come back to the financial stability and growing my business
in it. But let me make sure that i'm also
which is so much your message, GG. You can't just
grow the business. You have to take care of the
entrepreneur beneath the business, right. And so when you start
(08:48):
to see wealth more holistically, then we're taking care of
all these areas of wealth as we build. I think
what I wanted to emphasize, gg this is your message, right,
Your message is isn't just growing businesses, but it's taking
care of the entrepreneur beneath the business, right. And so
that is exactly what I'm talking about, is that when
we're looking at wealth more holistically and looking at these
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other areas that make us feel wealthy, where I can
experience well being, That's what it is. It's a state
of wellbeing, physical, health, understanding, purpose, belonging, connection, touch all
these things that are important to us. We can make
sure that as we build our businesses, it's not at
the expense of these other areas in our lives. Right.
(09:33):
And so when we start to then say, okay, where
are my areas that I'm wanting to grow more. Maybe
it is in my business planning because I have these goals,
but maybe it's also in connection or participation or purpose.
When you look at the resources at the beginning of
the year and you do your business planning and I
use resources more widely, it's money, it's creativity, it's connection, right,
(09:53):
It's resilience. All of these resources that we have access,
then we start to say, Okay, what am I channeling
to each of the needs that I'm satisfying, Because as
I said before, our needs are universal, the ways we
satisfy are personal. And what I like to tell people
GG is that when you're making your business plan and
you're satisfying these different needs, make sure that you have
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an equal list of what are my financial monetary strategies
to grow my business, to add more clients, to increase sales,
and what are my non financial strategies. Because if we
have clarity on our non financial strategies to increase our
sense of wellbeing, we loosen the dependency that we have
on money as a society, and that's when we start
(10:36):
to find agency and empowerment. Right, So that's the piece.
It's like, we all know what it's like to be
in relationship and have relationship styles that just don't feel good. Right.
Are you an anxious attacher? Are you an avoidant? So
it's the same thing with money, and so if I
know how to satisfy my needs with money and without money,
that's the true financial independence that we all crave.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I love that and I also love by the way,
I just want to say one of my favorite things
about the way that your book is structured is that
it is so actionable, Like you don't just explain these things,
but you actually give us the steps to follow, to apply,
to integrate, and to make it a part of our
day to day life, our decision making. And so I
absolutely love that because I feel like sometimes we learn
(11:22):
so much and as entrepreneurs are like, yeah, personal growth,
and we're like reading all the books, I'm listening to
all the podcasts, but like there's no steps to actually
make it part of our day to day life. And
you definitely give us that in the book. Then one
of the things I love is this concept of an
abundance mindset. Right, Like everyone's like abundance mindset, abundance mindset,
but you have a really particular take on the abundance
(11:45):
mindset and a very important element that it leaves out
when it comes to the implementation part.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
So give me a little of that.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Yeah, And so you know, because I've been well a,
I've been on this journey for twenty years, right, So
it's so actionable because I've been practicing this on myself
and with my clients for a really long time, but
I always like, you know, I love the abundance mindset,
but I was also I would struggle with it. I'm like,
what am I struggling with? Right? And so when I
brought it back somatically to my body, I'm like, if
(12:13):
my intention is to help people experience wealth, not just
accumulate it, I was like, Okay, what do people do?
We push scarcity away? So literally we take our hands
up and we're pushing scarce city away, and we're trying
to grasp onto abundance, right, So we're holding on and
if you look gig, both of those require effort. And
I was like, oh, there's no surrender in that, right,
(12:35):
And so part of the like, let me just relax
my grip for a second and lean into meaning and fulfillment.
Abundance starts to take a different spin where it's not
about always wanting more to offset feelings of lack, but
it's in fact getting super clear what's the more that
would add meaning and fulfillment in what I offer in
(12:59):
my sur and how I earn money in my experience
of wealth in the world. And that's the key component, right,
that makes a distinction between is it conscious consumption that's
filling you up or is it empty calories? And we
all know what that feels like. It doesn't quite nourish us.
And so that's the component of like abundance in a
vacuum still doesn't make sense. We're still grasping, but abundance
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connected to fulfillment and meaning. It's like I can feel
it in my body as I say that is the
power of enough. It's like the well of worthiness that
just starts to bubble up from within.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
And what a beautiful way to have that well of
worthiness and the way that it overflows into everything else
that we do. I feel like that's such a powerful foundation,
even for the way we sell, the way we price
our packages, the way that we approach our clients, the
way that we support others, both in business and outside
of business. I feel like it just overflows into so
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many different areas of life, right Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Like I was talking to a friend I yesterday and
she's like, oh, yeah, Elizabeth, I had these income goals
for me in twenty twenty five, and then I was
listening to your book and I was like, why was
I feeling so stressed about this income goal? And she's like,
the reality was that I was setting myself to do
things that were going to keep me overly busy to
make sure I met that income goal, taking away from
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the areas that I really wanted to focus on to
bring a sense of purpose and participation. So she's like,
I was listening to Elizabeth, and I went back to
my spreadsheet, and I'm like, what do I really need
to make and why and what are the areas that
if I were to earn money would make me feel
like I'm earning my income goal, but I'm also meeting
these other needs. And that's the synergy, right, Like, that's
(14:38):
when magic, when money becomes magical, and our experience of
wealth is just deep in our bones and we feel fulfilled,
right Like, we will never retire from that, And.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
That is another powerful conversation.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I was speaking recently with a financial advisor who was
talking about the concept of retirement, right and how she
was like a lot of people, the concept of re
retirement has been given to us as that thing you
do when you're tired and old and you just go
wither away somewhere. And that's why so many of us
are like, I'll never retire. I'll never retire because the
idea of retirement is to wither someplace elsewhere with no
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purpose and nothing else to do. But we will never
retire from our desire for purpose and fulfillment. And so
what if we could just attach that to the way
we live and the way we structure the elements of
our life, be it in business and sales, but also
in the things that matter more than business and sales, right, right.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
When we get to redefine what success means, right, and
it's a more sustainable path instead of a sprint because
we're exhausted in this country, we're sprinting towards this retirement goal.
Like where's the why, where's the power of enough? How
much is enough? And so you know, like and I'll
just say, retirement is actually a pretty new modern concept, right.
(15:53):
It was invented in the nineteen thirties when social security
came into being because people were living till sixty seven
and they were being retired at sixty five. It was
a very short period of time, which was really that
like old person stage. And somehow that got kind of
like like integrated into our cultural conversation, right, that that
(16:13):
is financial independence. But to your point, it's a huge
identity crisis for a lot of people because they feel
that their value has gone away. And so I do
think we retire from certain things, and people do retire
from a W two and maybe that's when they become
an entrepreneur, But we'll never retire from our creativity and
all these other human needs that we're in relationship with
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every day.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Yeah, that are truly where our joy and happiness lie, right,
one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
And so let's talk about wealth mandalas.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Let's bring that into the conversation, because you just talked
about creativity and I feel like that's a great segue
into drawing our wealth mandalas.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
So break that down for us.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Yeah, So wealth mandala, the word mandola means circle and Sanskrit, right,
and it's a path towards joy instead of suffering. And
so I really use that intentionally, GG, because I feel like,
you know, not everyone thinks of their relationship to money
with joy, and I really am here to tell you
that it can be joyful. And so and what I'm
doing with the wealth mandola is really making a point
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and making that separation of money and wealth. And so
it's like, Okay, put your relationship to money aside and
we have many other tools to look at that that
we can talk about, but let's look at your relationship
to wealth and so literally, it's a one page mondola
that you can print for free from my website and
I did this over the weekend with my daughter, my
teenage daughter, my husband. You take a color, you look
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at these different needs and you color on a scale
of one to ten ten feeling very fulfilled in this
different need. So again, need for understanding or purpose, or
freedom or physical health, safety, leisure, touch, curiosity, creativity, financial stability.
And if you're feeling low or a lack in this need, right,
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you can color it very little. If you're feeling very fulfilled,
color it all.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
The way to the brim.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
And what I tell GG is that once you're done
with coloring, actually have my daughter somewhere is you look
at it and it's this beautiful flower. Right, this is
the flower of your life in a moment of time.
And I always tell people, appreciate it for what it is. Right,
come with a sense of grace and love and non judgment.
That's what it looks like. Go to the areas that
you feel very fulfilled and ask yourself what is working there?
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And really give yourself one of those like pat on
the back moments like yeah, you do know how to
fulfill your life, right, and just like take that in,
integrate and digest that. Then go to the areas that
potentially you feel lack or poverty in and that's a
little bit of an edginess there that we feel poverty
in different ways that is not just financial, And let
yourself go to that area and be like, huh, what's
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happening in my world in that area that's making me
feel lack there? Right? Am I feeling overwhelmed? Do I
have a list of questions or things I need to
tend to? Is Am I going through a physical health
moment that is scaring me? Like there's or that I
just moved to a new community and I know no one,
so I don't belong right. Let your I'll be with
what's what's what's impacting it? And then I tell people
(19:04):
I don't do New Year's resolutions. I do New Year's
wealth mondolas, and I choose two needs every year to
address where I can channel more resources too, and again
both monetary resources and non monetary resources. And I do
that with my family every year. We get to choose to,
and we know as a unit what we're working on,
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and we become each other's best wealth friends and money
friends because we're making decisions collectively on where our resources
are going.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
And then I, you know, I wonder, we're always doing
so much inner work, right. We're applying these things schools
and these techniques, and we're just trying to break the
generational traumas of finances.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
And all these other things.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
And I'm an immigrant, right, and so I was born
in Cuba, third world country pretty much and lacking of
literally everything. And I wonder as I grow and I
do the learning and I do the work, and I
do the healing, and I work with coaches and other
people and experts, sometimes I wonder, can it really truly
be healed? Like all the money trauma that we have
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that we carry on from generation to generations, can it
truly be healed? Or is it just like an endless
process that some part of it's still going to end
up with my kid and their kid and their kid.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Like what do you have to say about that?
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Yeah? And I got chills when you just said that, Gigi,
because it's such an important question, right, And I would say,
can it truly be healed? I don't know, but can
it be integrated? Yes? I think there's a distinction there, right,
And you talk a lot about this in your podcast,
which is the importance of integration, which basically means bringing
awareness to your ancestral lineage. Like my family's from Columbia, right,
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and my grandfather was from austra who left the World
war during World War Two. Like, there's a lot of
displacement in our lineage. So what I like to tell
people that do spend some time just writing your story
and knowing your story and then look back and be like, Okay,
what are those little pieces that I want to pick up.
I'm like, oh, yeah, both my grandparents were entrepreneurs. One
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went through bankruptcy twice and picked himself back up with
a family of six. Right. I'm like, oh, I got
resiliency in my bones. Right, I'm going to take that
with me. My grandmother grandfather was a CPA. I'm like, oh,
I feel comfortable with numbers. I'm going to take that
with me, right. And do I have to heal their past? No,
But I can be aware of what how their past
influenced me, So I don't have to pass that on.
(21:26):
I mean, that is why I wrote the book. I
wrote the book because I was committed to not passing
on an experience of scarcity to my daughter. Right. I
came from families that had experienced scarcity. Then my mom
and dad created something different but still felt scarcity. And
I was like, why why are we still feeling scarcity?
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If it's no longer part of our reality? How do
I do my work so I don't pass that on?
So that was my commitment. I think everyone can make
their commitment. Are they going to solve everything? No? But
what's that one commitment to the next year? Generation focus
and celebrate that? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I mean I think even just that level of awareness
of saying I am committed to healing this part. I
mean even a one to two percent improvement in healing
our past. I don't want to just use the word trauma,
but like all the baggage and the nonsense that we
carry on, right, Like, even just a one to two
percent improvement on that is enormous for children.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
And to talk about it with them, like, for example,
like one of my money triggers is wastefulness, Right, I
know where.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
It came from.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
It still you know irks me and now with my family,
one we laugh about it, and two we have the
mistakes line item in our budget, right because I married
someone who can sometimes not track and make financial mistakes
and it drives me crazy. And my daughter's like, Mom,
remember we have a mistakes budget. I'm like, right, we're human, right,
And so this is a conversation where it doesn't mean
(22:51):
the triggers go away, but they're the more we talk
about it, the less triggered I feel, the more I
can laugh about it, I feel less lonely in my
internal experience of it. So I think that's the piece.
It's like, choose those things that you're like, this doesn't
serve me anymore, and it's not going to change overnight,
but I'm going to be a little bit more courageous
(23:11):
in facing that one thing, and I'm going to take
a little bit more of a vulnerability risk and share
it with my intimate circles, like, hey, this is what
I'm working on. And that's the other piece about you know,
my book, Gigi was like these many moments of questions,
like asking questions throughout the book because we don't talk
enough about money.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Well that was my next question is we are talking
about it because we're currently on this path. But like
you said, you have your family unit to bring with you.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
And money, the conversation of money is still such a
social taboo. People are well, nobody wants to talk about
how much they make or how much they charge. People
are scared to charge for their own services and products,
and like, debt is such a big word and like
everybody has it, but nobody wants to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
And it's just like, how do.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
We remove that that weights from our shoulders? And how
do we give permission also to the people in our
circle to say, these are the conversations I want to
have with you and that we should be having.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Oh I get chills again? Do you do such great questions?
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Right?
Speaker 3 (24:13):
It really is again separating money from wealth. That's the
really key piece, because we can talk about our experience
of wealth, right, And we can talk about wealth and
money without the use of numbers, because that's when it
starts to get hard, right when we start comparing ourselves.
Did I make this as much as you did? Did
you make more? Do you spend more? Do you have
more in debt? Oh? That makes me feel better? Right?
And so the numbers come in the comparisons click off.
(24:37):
And so again, if we say, okay, money is a technology.
Money has four main functions, right, it's an exchange, it
stores value, we use it for credit. And so when
it has those four functions, and it's a social technology,
that can sometimes replace our experience of trust, right, And
that's why so like whishuld w wash you. We're like, oh,
if you don't know me, but I flash you you
(24:59):
know a lot of allar a bility. You're be like, oh,
oh she's trustworthy. Right, That's how we have created relationships.
And so so if we put money aside for a second,
knowing that as a technology, social media is a technology
and we know it can be used for good and
it can totally take us down that rabbit hole. But
it's a technology that has its wisdom and it has
its shadow, but that is not what defines wealth. And
(25:21):
if we start to do that work, we can talk
about wealth in ourselves, in our family units, with our friends,
and we can find a way into talking about wealth
and money in a way that's less charged and less comparative,
because it really is an individual journey. If you let
if you let yourself do that and you let yourself
imagine that.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
I also want to talk about the physical parts of
wealth and money and integration, and you talk about it
so much, and I felt when I was reading your book,
I really loved the way that you bring this physical
element to healing our money trauma and to expanding in
(26:04):
our wealth and in our abilities financially through physical movements.
Let's talk about that, because that is I've never seen
that connection made before, and I know how powerful it is.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
But the way you break it down in the book
is just verb.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Yeah, thank you. And I think what I'm making as
distinction is is kind of like in these conversations around scarcity,
we've talked about like sufficiency and abundance, right, it's saying
I have enough. But what I want to bring to
the table is this idea of satiation, of feeling satisfied
where I feel enough. So it's a different somatic experience
(26:42):
to what you're saying. And so what I like to
tell people is that, I mean, it's so simple, but
and I put it in the beginning of the book
because it's so simple, and I want people to practice
and I have it, Like it's been amazing the feedback
I've gotten is that I'm inviting people to recognize those
moments where they felt satisfied, fulfilled, where there was enough
(27:02):
and they felt enough to simply stop swallow and consume
that moment of satiation, knowing that the more we teach
our body to feel fulfilled, it compounds like interest compounds
in our bank accounts. And that's the key piece, because
there's been so much research, Gigi that we do have
(27:23):
scarcity brains. We are wired to seek, and so let's
just like accept that, right, and that's what kept us alive.
We're wired to seek calories, we're wired to seek shelter,
and so our brain is like scanning the world for
safety and be like, how are we going to survive?
And our body has wisdom to tell our brain, hey,
we're safe, we're good, right, we feel enough, we feel satisfied.
(27:48):
And so it's this conversation between our mind center and
our body center that can start to shift our experience
of wealth. But we have to let our body have
space in our day to be like, oh, yeah, that
felt good. And again, the easiest way is go back.
We all know what a good meal feels like, So
start to take those little units of saciation or moments
of meaning. Another author calls them memory dividends, right, like
(28:10):
your portfolio pays dividends, So these are memory dividends. But
then take the extra added step of closing your eyes swallowing.
It's a second of integration and just watching that moment
of meaning travel all the way to your toes, telling
all of your cells and your body we feel enough,
(28:30):
and walk in the world from that place and see
what happens.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
This is so yummy, and I feel like I could
talk to you all day and there's so much more
in this book that.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
I want to get into. But also I'm not going
to give it all away.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
And so the one last question that I have for
you is for somebody who is listening to this episode
right now, who is ready and they're like, okay, step
number one. What is the one piece of advice? What
would you say is step number one for them to take?
Because there's so much step.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
That, yes, there's so much, but step number one. And
based on our conversation today, Gigi, I would say, give
yourself a thirty day satiation challenge. Right, it's not gratitude,
not what you're thankful for, but thirty day at the
end of each day, right, three things that satisfied you,
which moment time stopped. We all know what satisfaction. Write
them down for thirty days, then go back to your
(29:22):
journal after thirty days. It's a freaking free exercise. And
then go through and be like, what are the patterns?
What am I doing that brings satisfaction? How do I
heighten that? How do I maybe reinforce that? And start
to show start to show your mind that your body
actually knows how to recognize enoughness. And then from there
again the conversation opens. But if you just start to
(29:44):
exercise that muscles by going to the money Jim right
or the wealth Jim is, start to practice that satiation
muscle for thirty days, see what happens.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
I love that. Thank you so much for joining us
on the show today.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
I can't wait to talk with you some more offline
and do great things to together. And it's been such
a pleasure to enjoy this book and I'm still in
the integration process. Thank you for writing this. It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Thank you GG for having me. This is amazing. Enjoy everyone.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
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Speaker 1 (30:17):
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