Drivers ED and your calls

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
It is incumbent upon the legislature to push this issue
to the governor, to push this issue to make it happen.
We need drivers education back in public education for the
good of society, the safety of society, for the good
of the Ohio economy. Those accidents cost money, insurance rates

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going up, repair bills that people can't afford for uninsured motorists.
We need to do this. It just makes sense. It's practical.
A two to one WTVN time you're on the Legacy
Retirement Group dot com phone lines. Thanks for holding.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, I'm fine with the now kid learning the drive
in school from Also in favor of making manage or
that all drivers can just spend a week the two
weeks riding with a trucker. They can understand see what

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we go through on daily basis because you drive them
in the car.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
You don't see it.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
When you're up in truck. You're pulling sixty seventy one
thousand pounds and you see the.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
Shit that that these idiots do.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
If the one that will not wolf drivers aren't killed.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Well, I know you're probably a great trucker, Tom, but
you know what, I got to be honest with you.
I see a lot of dumbass truckers out there now too,
especially since we've had people that again come from places
with no paved roads, that are getting their licenses for
mo dot and hitting the road, and they they scare
the crap out of me. Sometimes if I go, honestly,
if I get somebody pulling a double trailer, I will

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either pass them, stay behind them, or get two lanes
away from them. They just scare me anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
I agree on that one. And I don't like double
trailer either myself, but I'm not want to make the
law of them right. But you're right far as these
formed drivers. I see him time and again, command there
with our lias the cambrig spelled English. No point on
a map, but I'm.

Speaker 5 (02:05):
You're in there.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
You have a low point on the map, so.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
You're that where they're where they want to go.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Don't get their map both. I don't know, YE know,
it's it's.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Stupid, Yep. The roads are a dangerous place anymore time.
I appreciate you, buddy. And as far as truck drivers go,
So if I say Whale and Willie and Hank, and
you don't know who I'm talking about, you shouldn't be
a to a truck driver. I'm sorry. There are just
some people who are who are predisposed. If you don't know,
If you don't know, Whale Willie and Hank Hell Tody

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At John, You're on sixth a w t V.

Speaker 5 (02:44):
At Yeah, Chuck is calling about Uh, what good do
uh be? Dummy? Or what did he gain from striking
that out of the bill.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
I don't I don't know if it was in the
budget bill or not. It was something that the legislature
was talking about several months ago. I assumed it would
be part of this big budget bill. It is not
the only thing that's in there is that you. They
will be requiring drivers training, but it's not requiring school
driver training, which is what we were talking about a
few months ago.

Speaker 5 (03:20):
Well, I got news for you. I went through when
I was in high school. It was one of the
best things that I ever went through. It taught me
a heck of a lot and I'm with you. Bring
it back. We need it. We have too many idiots
out there driving. I mean, I'm my age, but the elderly,

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we really need to test them. Because I'm not staying
there the issue. But you know, we need to make
sure the roads are safe out there for our kids,
us and everybody else.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
And well, I mean, if we need to bring it back,
if we're being honest, John, old folks are an issue.
And you know I say that with all the love
in my heart. I'm going to be an old folk
if God lets me be old one day. But yeah,
I mean, you know, I don't know if it's inability
age or or you know, maybe they're just scared too,
because they see the same stuff I'm seeing. Maybe they're

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just scared. That's why they've got to go thirty miles
an hour below the speed limit. But the rest of
us who are find when I come to a four
way stop, there's a way of four way stop functions.
Please don't be nice and wave me and go no
you go ahead, No, don't do that. The four way
stop has a structure. Just follow the structure so we're
all on the same page.

Speaker 5 (04:39):
And the structure is the person that got there first
or the person to the right as the right of way.

Speaker 6 (04:49):
Right.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
But I don't need you to be friendly at the
four way stop. I just need you to follow the
law because that's what I'm doing, and that's what I'm
expecting the other two directions to do. And if that
doesn't happen, somebody is going to.

Speaker 5 (04:59):
Rect That's absolutely correct. But yet we need to bring
it back. One of the best things I ever went
through in high school.

Speaker 6 (05:08):
Also, bring back home ap yes, bring back wood shop, yep,
bring it all back. I mean, that's it were You
look at our age group, we're.

Speaker 5 (05:22):
We're not idiots. We know what we're doing. We know
how to survive through life. Kids nowadays, they don't have
a clue.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
These children. They talk about the fact that well they
don't they don't value themselves and so forth. You know,
you said, the seventh grade kid in the wood shop
and he comes out of there with his first cutting
board or paper towel holder or or whatever. There's a
sense of accomplishment there and he takes it home to
mom or whoever is his his caregiver as they call

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him these days, and it's something to be proud of,
and it builds that self esteem and they want to
go back and they want to do more, They want
to build more. That is that's how you build a
person that is so much bigger than just a cutting board.
That's life.

Speaker 5 (06:08):
Absolutely. And my mother because the day she died, she
had the very first thing I made in shop, and
I hate to say it, it was an ashtray. She
had it, she upped it I made.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
I made a ceramic as tray for my dad. In
art class we did. We had a kill in there
and everything I got to run here. I appreciate you
made a candle holder in metal shop for mom and
it still exists today, and we used actual leaves. Mister Almaca.
My middle shop teacher was mister Almacha. Yes, he did
sound a lot like Arnold. He was some Austria. And

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mister Nicely. Mister Nicely was my wood shop teacher. I
think he was missing a finger, as all woodshop teachers are,
but he was a good and I put stuff together
and I think I think all those things are still
standing somewhere in a box today.

Speaker 7 (06:58):
That's cool to yeah, to be a what shopping that's
a prerequis the you must have a missing tip of
your finger.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Absolutely. Eight to one nine at eighty six is my number, Charlie,
you're on six ten doubled utvn.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
Yes, sir Sam, I'm glad I got a chance to
chat with They're on the right track with this. I've
been teaching driver education for there'll be fifteen years in August,
and I've had literally thousands of students that I've avoided
literally hundreds and hundreds of car crashes with kids in
the car and so. But they were talking early on

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that anybody. Now they're just saying if you're over the
age of eighteen, Okay, at least the way I heard it,
But anybody who wants to get a license, especially with
all these people coming to this country, they need to
be exposed to the proper way to operate a car
and so forth.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Well, it's not just over the age of eighteen, it's
up to the age of twenty one. So the fifteen
and a half year old period, you can still get
a learner's permitted fifteen and a half. But if you
were under twenty one and you have to go through
formal education and commercial driving school or whatever and have
this many hours of road time and so forth, and
past your test. So I just instead of going to

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a driver's school, I just I think you benefit from
being in that classroom setting for nine weeks of going
through tests and the instructional movies and so forth. We
need the kids to be as good as they can
possibly be before they get out there on the road.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
Well, see, I taught in the classroom also, and it
was under governor of the Wine. I think I was
at the last hearing when they wanted to take all
this stuff online. Okay, And so it's not the fact
that they don't have it in the high schools, because
a lot of driving schools around the area have the

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capability to teach classroom and the material and so forth.
And that's fine. It does not have to fall back
on the high school system itself. Okay. Now they're trying
to solve one problem, if I could bring this point up,
but they're creating another problem. Have you noticed how many
of these little bicycles and stuff for.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
On scooters and all, yes, yes, and those are unregulated.
Any idiot can put a debit card in there and
get in the middle of traffic with no.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
Helmet, no nothing. A kid just in West gro yesterday
is in critical condition and there's going to be a
lot of those. Those should not be on the sidewalks
or the roads or anything.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
I agree, I agree, and especially this we've got kids
in our neighborhood. And you know again here I'm being
an old man in mini banks them care John named
little mini banks, whether it's electric razor bikes or the
little mini banks, your gash like we had with Asa boy,
you are two and a half feet below the hood
of the car I'm passing. I do not see you,

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and now that they are electric, I don't even hear you.
Don't let your children ride those things in the streets, Chuck.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
Can I ask you one final question? Did you several
years ago at another station, did you host the music
show that featured oldies music and stuff.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
I've done some music stuff in the past. I don't
know if I just a long time ago I did.
I mean I worked at what it was called the
Mix back then, Mixed ninety eight point nine, which is
defunct now. But I did a show called Mixed Midnight Request.
It was a request and dedication show at night I worked.
My first job, played the oldest Music, which was AM

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down in Lancaster wl H, and it was I played
everything from Bing Crosby and Frank Sinatra to Madonna down there.
It's a great station.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
Well, I think it was on Sunday evening there was
a show, but it seems I was almost positive was
Chuck Douglas that did it.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Well, if you enjoyed it, it was probably me.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 4 (10:58):
Okay, Well, hey, it does not have to be in
the high schools. There's some good driving schools around that
have classrooms, have the capability. But thanks to your legislators
that wanted to take the money, they put all this
stuff online and it is a catastrophe.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
I'm with you, Charlie, and I appreciate you being out there, buddy,
Thanks very much for the call and for braving your
job as a driving instructor. Jim, you're on sixth en
double UTVN.

Speaker 7 (11:26):
HI. I have sort of the answer of why we
don't do driver education in schools anymore, and it's based
upon Battel did a long term, longitude and study if
I remember right, around twelve years long in driver education
and high school and basically in effect prove scientifically that
driver education in high school has no real impact on

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driving behaviors of kids.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
I would love to see that study, and I would
love to take the twelve years per capita before that
study and the twelve years per capita after that study,
and I guarantee you it will be proven wrong.

Speaker 7 (12:02):
Well, I can tell you I was one of the
principles on it. We the whole federal government idea was
to prove that we did more drive education in high school,
especially fancy ones, then it would turn out that basically
have a big positive impact on driving behavior, and didn't
turn out to be the case.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
In fact, they.

Speaker 7 (12:19):
Put millions and millions of dollars into a driver education
program and we actually had three We had eighteen thousand
students that we followed for some twelve years their driving
behaviors and basically could find no impact. Okay, driver education
if you had nothing basically going to a store or
have your parents do it, all those kind of things,

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that was just as effective as drive education as the
most fancy money burning system you could actually put in.
So that's I mean. So yeah, we actually did study
before and after for a long period of time, and
at least in those days, eight following eighteen thousand students
for ten years was actually quite significant for the time.

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Might be easier these days, but back then it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah. Well, I'll tell you what. In addition to the
twelve years before and after that study, I'd also say
the twelve years prior to whatever date. This is because
we have changed the we have changed the makeup of
the people that are on the road as well as
everything else, and that we got to take that into
account too. You've got a lot of kids in these

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schools that they didn't grow up, you know, idolizing cars
and singing Chevy Jingles and stuff the way Americans did,
and we're putting them out on the road with basically
no love or experience for the American roadway.

Speaker 7 (13:41):
Well, but that would suggest that the proper response is
to do another study and see whether or not a
current drive education program amongst the current students would actually
have an impact on your writing behaviors and to see
what really happens and whether or not the beliefe that's
doing in high school will work rather than going down
to the to place down at the corner of the
teacher's guard education and actually showed that actually makes a

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difference in terms of they'll be driving behaviors.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
I'm all for the studies too. I appreciate you, Jim,
thanks very much. Back when I was taking Driver's ED
was nineteen eighty one or something. One of the things
US Department of Transportation. They showed us a you know,
going under the back of a semi. This is something
you want to avoid obviously, But there was a catcher
back there, spring loaded that was at the level of

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the car's engine block. The car running into the back
of the semi was stopped by this springloaded catcher and
pushed back, keeping the car from going under the trailer,
keeping the occupants from being decapitated. US Department of Transportation
has known about that since nineteen eighty and it's still

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not on the road. So in trusting government to do
their studies and come up with their ideas, I'll go
with the flow, but I don't necessarily expect them to
do anything that MA make sense. Steve, I think you're
going to wrap us up on sixteen do WTVN.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Hi Chuck, thank you. Yeah, you really opened the can
of worms up on this one. Yeah, I see it.
It's everybody. I agree with you about truckers and everything.
I think it has to do with attitude on the
road anymore.

Speaker 5 (15:16):
For one.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
And also this guy was just talking about the schools
having them studies and stuff. The thing about that is
when I was raised, a lot of kids rode motorcycles,
and goat carts and all this stuff before they even
got in a car. Yep, So that study can be
a little skewed right there. You know. If you ask me,

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I don't know. And like I said, i'd have I
like you, I'd have to see it to.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Be Dad and Uncle Frank took me out in a
sixty eight Ford F one hundred on a country road
when I was thirteen. We don't do that kind of
stuff anymore.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
Yeah, My dad taught me how to drive when I
was thirteen and his four pickup truck. It was a
three speed.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
Will you pay attention

Speaker 3 (15:56):
To the drive it in and out in the backyard.