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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Tomorrow, of course, is election day. I don't think in
looking over my ballot for the city of Columbus, I
don't think there are any Republicans running for anything, and
most most of the Democrats are unchallenged. So basically all
you have is what one, two, and then five six,
(00:22):
seven eight nine issues on there, which are two taxes
and uh and the bond All right, then you're you're
not in Columbus proper, Zach. Do you have anything more
interesting on your ballot than what I've got on my No.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Really, it's the same type of Yeah. I mean there's
a there's a levy and uh. Yeah, that's about There's
nothing else super duper important, So.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Dad, gone it. I just I wish there was something
to get people out there, but really there's not. I
expect turned out to be pretty low on the five six, seven,
eight nine the bond issues. As always, I'm gonna know,
I'm always a no simply because of you know, what
I think about the way the city is run and
(01:15):
and what I consider to be a disregard for the
wants the needs of the people of the city, and
the fact that I don't like the I don't like
the used car salesman mentality that they have at city
Hall for selling people on bond issues. This is not
a tax. Remember, this is not a tax. It's not
(01:35):
you're paying it back, therefore it's a tax. It's money
that eventually comes out of your pocket in one way,
shape or form. Well, we're not raising taxes that No,
you're selling bonds. Bonds. Bonds are loans, that's what they are.
What you are doing is you are authorizing the City
of Columbus to take out loans and you will be
(01:57):
the co signer. Now we have a triple A rating.
That means that you know, our bond rating is great,
and that's a wonderful thing. But while your taxes, your
city taxes may not go up. Your water bill, your
sewer bill, city permits, traffic fines, parking fees, costs to
(02:24):
file any paperwork you need to file with the city,
all of those are subject to increase because they've got
to collect the money to pay back the bonds. People
buy the bonds and then they appreciate they make money
on the bonds. We have to pay them back. Whether
it's done through income tax or not, you will pay it.
(02:47):
Does that not make sense to you? Is that. I mean,
I think that's a pretty pretty concise, easy way to
understand this thing.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, they just don't want to use the word tax
because people don't want to hear it.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
And I think it's disingenuous. I think it takes advantage
of the ill informed.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yes, I've repeated more than well, maybe this is just
me that one of the massive problems we have with
voters in this country is the lack of are uninformed
voters not intelligence? But people are busy and they work
and they don't have time to read past the headlines
on a local or national level, and it causes a
(03:22):
massive problem.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Right. And then another problem we have at the polls
actually is the the little descriptive of what something is.
I don't think you know, they are not nearly as
thorough as I would like them to be. And so
you see something that says, you know, this is a
renewal of a previous levy and the millage will not
(03:45):
go up, and well, here's the problem. The value of
what is being taxed at that millage has gone up,
so it cost you more money. But you're sold this
bill of goods is if it's not going to cost
you anymore? Yes, indeed it will. I just I uh man.
(04:05):
I wish we were better as voters, I really do.
But you know, you get the you get the government
that you vote for, and you get the results that
you allow. That's just how I see things. Maybe that's
just me. I don't know. A two one nine eight eighty
six eight two one WTV and is the number I
see Pat is standing by on the Legacy Retirement Group
(04:26):
dot com phone line. So let's get the Pat. You're
on six to ten WUTV. And how are you?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I am fine, Chuck. What they're doing is they're taking
out loans and the money they should have been using
to pay for expenses they now give back to their
social programs. So this is all pocket money for the
people downtown. You're loaning them money for good stuff, and
they're taking this stuff they should have been spending money on,
and they're taking that money and putting on social programs.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, that makes sense to you. And the thing of
it is is to be honest with you've got. There
are some social programs I've got no problem with. We
absolutely need. I'm good with it. But again, I'm just
I'm looking for some truth in advertising. And uh, you know,
I'm okay with feeding hungry people and taking care of
elderly and disabled people, and I'm good with there are
(05:14):
things that we do as a society that we're expected
to do, and I'm okay with it. But too much
smoke and mirrors going on.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Well did you know they had a mobile produce stand
to drive around from the food mank And of course
we're gonna give him a million dollars pretty quick.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
So I have not heard about the most it was.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
It was on the news. It was on the news
just before you came in.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Funny, really, I mean there's again, there are there are
agencies organizations all over this city that, especially with the
food stamp situation, have really stepped up in the last
week and uh and are doing everything that they can
to and I you know, God bless them. Many of
them are doing it with absolutely no no government funding,
(06:01):
volunteers and donations and so forth only. And I again,
that's one of the things that makes me proud to
be an American and and part of Columbus, Ohio. But
we we you know, we don't always need government to
step in and solve anything. Just fix what you messed up.
That would be easier.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
I'm just laughing. Do your job. You do a good
job on this, but you know it's a shell game
and we get stuck.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah, exactly, Pat, I appreciate you, buddy, Thank you very much.
A two one nine eight eight six A two men WTV.
If you have any other thoughts, feel free to jump
in there on tomorrow's election. In the bond issues and
uh and you know the tax levy requests, it's you know,
I don't want to sound hopeless. I don't want to
sound like, you know, like I'm in great despair or anything.
It is what it is. I wish it was something better,
(06:49):
but it's not. And all of those Democrats that are running,
they'll get elected because nobody's running against them. And that
I laid firmly at the feet of Franklin County GOP even.
I mean, look a look at what Mandani is doing
in New York. You know, he came in there. He
calls himself a Democrat, socialist. There's something that want to
label him communist. I just I think he's the worst
(07:11):
possible thing that could happen for New York City. But
projections are what forty four percent will end up voting
for him, thirty nine percent will end up going for
Cuomo and fifteen percent I believe it was for Sliwa.
I like Curtis Sliwa, but for again, this is what
I talked about this the other night, the greater good,
(07:34):
thinking about the greater good, those eight million people that
call New York City home, thinking about them. If I
were Kurtis Sliwa, yes, I would have backed out of
the race. Cuomo is Nobody's Nobody's good boy. I there's
a whole lot better. But you know what, sometimes it's
(07:54):
better to jump into a cage with I don't know
what's What's something that kill you? But you might get
away from a brown elephant, Okay, a brown elephant instead
of a hungry tiger, because the tiger will eat your butt.
You will Maybe with the elephant, you got a chance. Man,
Maybe you can get away, get into a nook or
(08:14):
a cranny the elephant can't get I don't know, but
this that's the situation they're in. Cuomo is the lesser
of two evils. One of the evils is going to win.
Do you want the communist evil or do you want
or do you want the known evil? And if Sliwa
(08:35):
were to back out of the race, and that fifteen
percent would go to Cuomo, or at least fifty percent
of that fifteen percent, he'd stand a good chance of
beating Mandani. If Mondani becomes mayor of New York City,
mark my words, the former fat Man is telling you
right here, right now, right straight to your ears. One
(08:57):
year from now, New York City will be in complete
turmoil economically, and when it comes to crime in the streets,
New York City will be in turmoil.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Well, I think everybody who could think it. You take
all the stats, the crime now, gas prices, now, all
the statistics that you could take that could somewhat or
impartially be imparted on the mayor of New York City,
and just see where they are in a year now.
Your prediction might be one hundred percent correct, might be
(09:34):
ninety eight percent correct. But people never like like with
presidential politics, as soon as somebody becomes president, the day after,
they're like, a crime happen, it's president's fault, it's the
gas price is a president's fault. Like it takes some
time to see what happens. So the year thing, I
agree with you. I'm very interested to see what happened.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Well. The nor O'Donnell last night pointed out that there
are some people who uh equates Mondannie to Donald Trump,
except on the opposite side of the political spectrum. And
I agree with that. I agree with that he does
have the the uh the showmanship, if you will. He
does have this likability that people are responding to. I
(10:21):
believe he also has that walk in the door and
start changing everything immediately. That's why I say within one year.
If it were someone who were not as much like
Donald Trump, I'd say maybe give him halfway through his term. Okay,
that makes sense. But Mondannie, I think we'll walk in
there on day one and executive New York City into
the sewer.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Did you did you see any of the debates with
Clomo Madami and.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
No, I have not watched any. I've just I've just
seen footage of their various interviews. Whatever you he destroyed
Sleewan and Clomo just he's articulate. Yeah, yeah, he's a
very articulate, charming person. He's much like Barack Obama. Frankly,
(11:06):
he just he's one of those people that he plays
well to the audience, and the audience responds, well, correct, Yep.
The thing of it is is you're so enamored with
how he's saying things that you forget to listen to
what he's saying. We did that with Barack Obama. When
someone walks into the greatest country ever, the best country,
(11:29):
the best economy, the best military, the best opportunity for success,
and everything that you would want. When somebody walks in
and they say, we're going to fundamentally transform. Did you
hear those words? No, you were so busy going well,
he sounds really good. He look at him, he's he says,
folks a lot we like him. You fundamentally transformed. That
(11:54):
means taking something for what it is and making it
something different. But nobody bothered to pay attention to that.
They just paid attention to the way he was saying it.
Same thing's happening with Mondnnie. He's telling you what he's
going to establish as a little communist nation in the
(12:14):
form of New York City. But he's saying it so well,
and he's smiling so nice when he says it, that
nobody's thinking about that, and that's uh, oh, that's not
just New York, that's us as a whole This has
(12:36):
been basically since I think John F. Kennedy. John F.
Kennedy was kind of the beginning, because you know, presidents
before John Kennedy could be as ugly as they wanted
to be and still become president. JFK introduced that wavy hair,
those beautiful eyes, those wonderful catch phrases. Ask not what
(13:01):
your country can do for you, ask what you can
do for your country. People went write that down, put
it on a coin or something. Well didn't.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Most people who who watched the debate said that Kennedy won,
but listen on the radio said Nixon killed.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Those who watched it said Kennedy was the winner of
the debate, and those who listened on the radio said
Nixon trounced him. Which is why I've said before many
times when something important is coming up, a presidential debate
or whatever, I listened to it. I turned on six
to ten WTV, and I listened to it. I don't
want to watch. I don't want to see who makes
the funniest face or who's standing. I want to hear
(13:35):
the words they say. I'll go back and watch later.
I'll see the tape delay later. But JFK was I
think the beginning of that. Nixon, although in his older
years kind of looked like a hound dog, he wasn't
too terrible in his early years. Lyndon Johnson President by default, Carter,
(13:58):
you know what, he was a charming man with a smile.
Gerald Ford President by default, Bill Clinton. That's where Rush
came in. The arousal factor. George h W I wasn't
terrible looking, but you know, I think poking fun at
him on Saturday Night Live Dana Carvey, I think that
(14:21):
I think that helped George h W. I really do.
I think that helped him because even he got.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
A kick out of the White House to do, he
even got.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
A kick out it, and that made him more of
a human being to people. George w sincerity was there,
new killer.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
His goof ups were.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
But people just people. People just saw him as a
sincere guy. You know. They wanted to do his best.
And uh and that's that's what got him elected. Uh
Barack Obama articulate in intelligent and unfortunately we had that
you know, that whole race thing going on. Well, it's
I guess it's time America had a black president. That
(15:12):
in itself, that statement is a problem. Even Colon Powell
said that, which was heartbreaking to me. The color of
your skin shouldn't have anything to do with anything in
this country, including the office of the President. Again, maybe
that's just me.
Tomorrow, of course, is election day. I don't think in
looking over my ballot for the city of Columbus, I
don't think there are any Republicans running for anything, and
most most of the Democrats are unchallenged. So basically all
you have is what one, two, and then five six,
(00:22):
seven eight nine issues on there, which are two taxes
and uh and the bond All right, then you're you're
not in Columbus proper, Zach. Do you have anything more
interesting on your ballot than what I've got on my No.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Really, it's the same type of Yeah. I mean there's
a there's a levy and uh. Yeah, that's about There's
nothing else super duper important, So.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Dad, gone it. I just I wish there was something
to get people out there, but really there's not. I
expect turned out to be pretty low on the five six, seven,
eight nine the bond issues. As always, I'm gonna know,
I'm always a no simply because of you know, what
I think about the way the city is run and
(01:15):
and what I consider to be a disregard for the
wants the needs of the people of the city, and
the fact that I don't like the I don't like
the used car salesman mentality that they have at city
Hall for selling people on bond issues. This is not
a tax. Remember, this is not a tax. It's not
(01:35):
you're paying it back, therefore it's a tax. It's money
that eventually comes out of your pocket in one way,
shape or form. Well, we're not raising taxes that No,
you're selling bonds. Bonds. Bonds are loans, that's what they are.
What you are doing is you are authorizing the City
of Columbus to take out loans and you will be
(01:57):
the co signer. Now we have a triple A rating.
That means that you know, our bond rating is great,
and that's a wonderful thing. But while your taxes, your
city taxes may not go up. Your water bill, your
sewer bill, city permits, traffic fines, parking fees, costs to
(02:24):
file any paperwork you need to file with the city,
all of those are subject to increase because they've got
to collect the money to pay back the bonds. People
buy the bonds and then they appreciate they make money
on the bonds. We have to pay them back. Whether
it's done through income tax or not, you will pay it.
(02:47):
Does that not make sense to you? Is that. I mean,
I think that's a pretty pretty concise, easy way to
understand this thing.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, they just don't want to use the word tax
because people don't want to hear it.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
And I think it's disingenuous. I think it takes advantage
of the ill informed.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yes, I've repeated more than well, maybe this is just
me that one of the massive problems we have with
voters in this country is the lack of are uninformed
voters not intelligence? But people are busy and they work
and they don't have time to read past the headlines
on a local or national level, and it causes a
(03:22):
massive problem.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Right. And then another problem we have at the polls
actually is the the little descriptive of what something is.
I don't think you know, they are not nearly as
thorough as I would like them to be. And so
you see something that says, you know, this is a
renewal of a previous levy and the millage will not
(03:45):
go up, and well, here's the problem. The value of
what is being taxed at that millage has gone up,
so it cost you more money. But you're sold this
bill of goods is if it's not going to cost
you anymore? Yes, indeed it will. I just I uh man.
(04:05):
I wish we were better as voters, I really do.
But you know, you get the you get the government
that you vote for, and you get the results that
you allow. That's just how I see things. Maybe that's
just me. I don't know. A two one nine eight eighty
six eight two one WTV and is the number I
see Pat is standing by on the Legacy Retirement Group
(04:26):
dot com phone line. So let's get the Pat. You're
on six to ten WUTV. And how are you?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I am fine, Chuck. What they're doing is they're taking
out loans and the money they should have been using
to pay for expenses they now give back to their
social programs. So this is all pocket money for the
people downtown. You're loaning them money for good stuff, and
they're taking this stuff they should have been spending money on,
and they're taking that money and putting on social programs.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, that makes sense to you. And the thing of
it is is to be honest with you've got. There
are some social programs I've got no problem with. We
absolutely need. I'm good with it. But again, I'm just
I'm looking for some truth in advertising. And uh, you know,
I'm okay with feeding hungry people and taking care of
elderly and disabled people, and I'm good with there are
(05:14):
things that we do as a society that we're expected
to do, and I'm okay with it. But too much
smoke and mirrors going on.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Well did you know they had a mobile produce stand
to drive around from the food mank And of course
we're gonna give him a million dollars pretty quick.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
So I have not heard about the most it was.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
It was on the news. It was on the news
just before you came in.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Funny, really, I mean there's again, there are there are
agencies organizations all over this city that, especially with the
food stamp situation, have really stepped up in the last
week and uh and are doing everything that they can
to and I you know, God bless them. Many of
them are doing it with absolutely no no government funding,
(06:01):
volunteers and donations and so forth only. And I again,
that's one of the things that makes me proud to
be an American and and part of Columbus, Ohio. But
we we you know, we don't always need government to
step in and solve anything. Just fix what you messed up.
That would be easier.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
I'm just laughing. Do your job. You do a good
job on this, but you know it's a shell game
and we get stuck.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah, exactly, Pat, I appreciate you, buddy, Thank you very much.
A two one nine eight eight six A two men WTV.
If you have any other thoughts, feel free to jump
in there on tomorrow's election. In the bond issues and
uh and you know the tax levy requests, it's you know,
I don't want to sound hopeless. I don't want to
sound like, you know, like I'm in great despair or anything.
It is what it is. I wish it was something better,
(06:49):
but it's not. And all of those Democrats that are running,
they'll get elected because nobody's running against them. And that
I laid firmly at the feet of Franklin County GOP even.
I mean, look a look at what Mandani is doing
in New York. You know, he came in there. He
calls himself a Democrat, socialist. There's something that want to
label him communist. I just I think he's the worst
(07:11):
possible thing that could happen for New York City. But
projections are what forty four percent will end up voting
for him, thirty nine percent will end up going for
Cuomo and fifteen percent I believe it was for Sliwa.
I like Curtis Sliwa, but for again, this is what
I talked about this the other night, the greater good,
(07:34):
thinking about the greater good, those eight million people that
call New York City home, thinking about them. If I
were Kurtis Sliwa, yes, I would have backed out of
the race. Cuomo is Nobody's Nobody's good boy. I there's
a whole lot better. But you know what, sometimes it's
(07:54):
better to jump into a cage with I don't know
what's What's something that kill you? But you might get
away from a brown elephant, Okay, a brown elephant instead
of a hungry tiger, because the tiger will eat your butt.
You will Maybe with the elephant, you got a chance. Man,
Maybe you can get away, get into a nook or
(08:14):
a cranny the elephant can't get I don't know, but
this that's the situation they're in. Cuomo is the lesser
of two evils. One of the evils is going to win.
Do you want the communist evil or do you want
or do you want the known evil? And if Sliwa
(08:35):
were to back out of the race, and that fifteen
percent would go to Cuomo, or at least fifty percent
of that fifteen percent, he'd stand a good chance of
beating Mandani. If Mondani becomes mayor of New York City,
mark my words, the former fat Man is telling you
right here, right now, right straight to your ears. One
(08:57):
year from now, New York City will be in complete
turmoil economically, and when it comes to crime in the streets,
New York City will be in turmoil.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Well, I think everybody who could think it. You take
all the stats, the crime now, gas prices, now, all
the statistics that you could take that could somewhat or
impartially be imparted on the mayor of New York City,
and just see where they are in a year now.
Your prediction might be one hundred percent correct, might be
(09:34):
ninety eight percent correct. But people never like like with
presidential politics, as soon as somebody becomes president, the day after,
they're like, a crime happen, it's president's fault, it's the
gas price is a president's fault. Like it takes some
time to see what happens. So the year thing, I
agree with you. I'm very interested to see what happened.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Well. The nor O'Donnell last night pointed out that there
are some people who uh equates Mondannie to Donald Trump,
except on the opposite side of the political spectrum. And
I agree with that. I agree with that he does
have the the uh the showmanship, if you will. He
does have this likability that people are responding to. I
(10:21):
believe he also has that walk in the door and
start changing everything immediately. That's why I say within one year.
If it were someone who were not as much like
Donald Trump, I'd say maybe give him halfway through his term. Okay,
that makes sense. But Mondannie, I think we'll walk in
there on day one and executive New York City into
the sewer.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Did you did you see any of the debates with
Clomo Madami and.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
No, I have not watched any. I've just I've just
seen footage of their various interviews. Whatever you he destroyed
Sleewan and Clomo just he's articulate. Yeah, yeah, he's a
very articulate, charming person. He's much like Barack Obama. Frankly,
(11:06):
he just he's one of those people that he plays
well to the audience, and the audience responds, well, correct, Yep.
The thing of it is is you're so enamored with
how he's saying things that you forget to listen to
what he's saying. We did that with Barack Obama. When
someone walks into the greatest country ever, the best country,
(11:29):
the best economy, the best military, the best opportunity for success,
and everything that you would want. When somebody walks in
and they say, we're going to fundamentally transform. Did you
hear those words? No, you were so busy going well,
he sounds really good. He look at him, he's he says,
folks a lot we like him. You fundamentally transformed. That
(11:54):
means taking something for what it is and making it
something different. But nobody bothered to pay attention to that.
They just paid attention to the way he was saying it.
Same thing's happening with Mondnnie. He's telling you what he's
going to establish as a little communist nation in the
(12:14):
form of New York City. But he's saying it so well,
and he's smiling so nice when he says it, that
nobody's thinking about that, and that's uh, oh, that's not
just New York, that's us as a whole This has
(12:36):
been basically since I think John F. Kennedy. John F.
Kennedy was kind of the beginning, because you know, presidents
before John Kennedy could be as ugly as they wanted
to be and still become president. JFK introduced that wavy hair,
those beautiful eyes, those wonderful catch phrases. Ask not what
(13:01):
your country can do for you, ask what you can
do for your country. People went write that down, put
it on a coin or something. Well didn't.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Most people who who watched the debate said that Kennedy won,
but listen on the radio said Nixon killed.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Those who watched it said Kennedy was the winner of
the debate, and those who listened on the radio said
Nixon trounced him. Which is why I've said before many
times when something important is coming up, a presidential debate
or whatever, I listened to it. I turned on six
to ten WTV, and I listened to it. I don't
want to watch. I don't want to see who makes
the funniest face or who's standing. I want to hear
(13:35):
the words they say. I'll go back and watch later.
I'll see the tape delay later. But JFK was I
think the beginning of that. Nixon, although in his older
years kind of looked like a hound dog, he wasn't
too terrible in his early years. Lyndon Johnson President by default, Carter,
(13:58):
you know what, he was a charming man with a smile.
Gerald Ford President by default, Bill Clinton. That's where Rush
came in. The arousal factor. George h W I wasn't
terrible looking, but you know, I think poking fun at
him on Saturday Night Live Dana Carvey, I think that
(14:21):
I think that helped George h W. I really do.
I think that helped him because even he got.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
A kick out of the White House to do, he
even got.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
A kick out it, and that made him more of
a human being to people. George w sincerity was there,
new killer.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
His goof ups were.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
But people just people. People just saw him as a
sincere guy. You know. They wanted to do his best.
And uh and that's that's what got him elected. Uh
Barack Obama articulate in intelligent and unfortunately we had that
you know, that whole race thing going on. Well, it's
I guess it's time America had a black president. That
(15:12):
in itself, that statement is a problem. Even Colon Powell
said that, which was heartbreaking to me. The color of
your skin shouldn't have anything to do with anything in
this country, including the office of the President. Again, maybe
that's just me.
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