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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Sometimes from the darkest moments come the brightest day. Sometimes
sometimes good does indeed come from bad and over the
past the past few days, the Charlie Kirk story has
dominated the news, not only his assassination, but the manhunt
(00:23):
that followed, the heroics story. As far as I'm concerned
of his parents, Mark and I were just talking with
Alex Stone here before the end of the last hour
about how that situation developed. It was mom, And I've
been seeing this from a male perspective, only because I'm
a male, and so I was thinking about how Dad
(00:45):
handled this. I hadn't even thought about mom. Mom was
not even in the equation for me. But apparently apparently
it was his mom who saw the news coverage, saw
the picture and told her husband, I think that's our son,
And they called him and said, come over to the house.
(01:08):
We want to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Something else that Mark and I have talked about off
the air. If I were in that position of those parents, yeah,
first of all, I would have turned him in if
I knew that was my son. Yes, I would have
turned him in. Painful though it may be, it is
the right thing to do, and Dad gone it. If
you can't do the right thing. You can't teach the
(01:34):
right thing to your children. You stood for nothing. Even
if it's painful, telling the truth, doing the right thing,
it matters. It may not be stylish in twenty twenty five,
but it matters. And so I have such profound appreciation
(01:56):
and respect for those parents. But when my son came
to my house to speak with me after I knew
he was the one who did this, honestly, I told
Mark I'd be armed. And I don't think that's hurtful,
hateful anything. I think that's practical. If you look and
(02:17):
your son just just wo Your son just took a life,
and the whole world saw it out of his twisted logic,
his demented perception, he killed someone thinking I'm quite sure
(02:42):
he was doing the right thing because he's so messed up,
and he's going to plead, you know, insanity or some
form of diminished capacity most likely. But I would have
been armed knowing that he was coming to the house,
(03:05):
as sad as that is to say, because again, I
think that's only logical, it's only reasonable, it's practical. Now,
of course, they announced today that they will be seeking
the death penalty. Let me explain to you, why I
think that may be more of a challenge than you
want it to be, Zachi, any idea where I'm going
(03:29):
with that? Why I think it's a challenge to get
a death penalty conviction in this case.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Well, if he pleads insanity or there's some sort of
he can go to a mental hospital instead, or I'm
not exactly sure.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I think the biggest hurtle they are going to have
is where this happened. While Utah does have a death penalty,
Utah also has a very high Mormon population, and the Mormons,
as a general rule a Phillis point, are absolutely against
capital punishment. So while they may be appalled and believe
(04:09):
that justice must be served, I don't know, without blatantly
discriminating against people due to their religious beliefs, I don't
know how they're going to ipanel a jury with any
degree of confidence that they get a conviction. And if
(04:30):
if the only option for the jury is to convict
on the charge of first degree murder with death penalty specifications,
believe it or not, I worry this guy may not
get convicted. Feel free, by the way, to explain to
me why you might disagree with me. You're always welcome
to do that, debate, discussion, disagreement with respect. That's what
(04:51):
I'm all about. A two one nine eight eighty six,
A two one WTV N. It is, it's obvious, it's
a parent. It is a no brainer. As they say
that he he is absolutely guilty of the assassination and
I used that word very intentionally, the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
But I don't know that a conviction, especially with a
(05:16):
death penalty specification, is going to be as easy as
we might think from the outside looking in. Now, how
does any of that equate to what I started with,
which was good coming from bad, positive from tragedy. Here's
what's coming that's good. A few years ago, was it
(05:40):
twenty sixteen, twenty eighteen, there was chalk of a red wave.
Couldn't get away from the talk it was gonna happen,
the red wave. It was coming, man, it was coming,
It was coming, and then it didn't. I am here
(06:03):
to tell you tonight that I think it's coming. I
think right now before us we have a motivational opportunity
not only to get out and vote, but to get
(06:23):
out and run the left. And I'm not saying Democrats,
because I know Democrats who are good and decent people.
We'd philosophically disagree on stuff, but they're good and decent people.
I'm not saying democrats. I'm saying the Left is showing
themselves now for what they are, and many people in
(06:47):
this country who thought they were aligned with that mindset
are finding it appalling. We spoke earlier of a judge
in Hamilton County celebrating the assassination doctors, nurses, heads of companies.
(07:08):
Another down in Cincinnati, that restaurant, one of the owners
gets online celebrating the assassination. They cut ties with him.
Stephen King will come to the house and read his
new book to you, just to get some exposure for
it because he got online spouting his nastiness. There is
(07:29):
an opportunity here. I'm not saying to take control. I'm
saying to at least be in the conversation, in the negotiation,
in the situation again, instead of having cities and states
around this country like Columbus, Ohio where their single party rule.
There is opportunity again. And these these nasty, vengeful, spiteful, means, spirited,
(07:54):
foul thinking people that are showing themselves for what they are,
and they are in elected office, You've got a chance
to get them out of elected office. Right here, right now,
I'm telling you, the red wave is entirely possible, more
(08:15):
so than it probably has been in my life. From
the tragedy can come a positive or again, maybe that's
just me eight two one nine eight eight six two
UTV and time you're on six ten DOBLEUTV and height.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yes, sir, thank you for taking my call. I back
you one on everything you're talking about, because I think
it's time, it's very much beyond time that America wakes up.
You know, we just keep on harboring these people that
I mean, if you've done it, you've done it. There's
no you know, putting them on death row and all
(08:53):
this stuff. If you're guilty, you're guilty. And I think
it's high time that people stand up and people to
wake up. American needs to wake up.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
The idea of this young man, I mean, he's only
twenty two, twenty two, twenty three something like that. The
idea of him spending the next sixty five years living
at our expense for doing what he did is very
very distasteful to me. But you know, that's that's how
things go, and life imprisonment is probably much more likely
(09:26):
than a death penalty case. They may go for it,
I just don't think they're going to get it. And
I just when you are absolutely guilty, when there's no
doubt of your guilt, going through this silly process where
it takes you five six years to get into a
courtroom and you know, another twenty years of appeals and
(09:48):
then you can't get convicted and then you live the rest,
that's just that's stupid. You either have a death penalty
or you don't if you got to use it.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yes to what do you.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Think about that other part of what I'm saying? Do
you see some positive coming out of all this? Do
you see what I'm saying about the these crazy left
nutcases showing themselves for what they are and giving us
an opportunity right now to maybe get out here and
actually go after some offices and win some elections. Again.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Absolutely, I think this was There's gonna be a lot
of good that comes out of this. It's a sad
thing that happened to this young man, very sad, very tragic,
but I think there's a lot of good, positive things
that's gonna come out of this whole situation. I really
do believe that.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
I think so too. I appreciate you, Tom, thanks for
being out there. And here's here's key. This is key.
Listen closely. The parties had better get off their butts
and do something. Don't just sit back and wait for
stuff to happen. You need County parties need to be
(10:49):
out there actively listening to recruiting candidates, holding classes. Here's
what happens. Here's how you run. Here's the process. Here's
what's expected of you as a candidate. Here's what you
could expect from us as party leadership. This is how
it works. You need to be doing that. I'm not
speaking just about the Franklin County GOP, although I am.
(11:12):
I am speaking about all county parties. I'm speaking about
all state parties. We all know I'm not real happy
with the Ohio Republican Party right now. This We did
the same thing I was criticizing the Democrats for in
the presidential election, when the Democrat voters went to the
polls and voted to make Joe Biden, for some unknown reason,
(11:34):
make Joe Biden their candidate. And then the party said, yeah,
we saw your vote. But here's Kamala. They want to
call the Republicans and Donald Trump and the MAGA movement
a threat to democracy. That was a threat to democracy
and the purest deforms. Your people voted, and you ignored
(11:56):
your people based on political expediency, backdoor agreements and meetings
that nobody knew about. You nullified the democratic process within
the Democratic Party. And I criticized them handily, openly and
frequently for that. But honestly, the Ohio GOP didn't do
(12:17):
much better when you know, so far ahead of the
gubernatorial race, they told us who are candidate's going to be.
I'm not saying anything bad about Vecca Ramaswami. Don't know
anything about him, can't get him to talk to me.
I've never had a conversation with the man. I'm not
saying anything bad about him. What I'm saying is we
got a long road between here and Tipperary, and it
(12:39):
seems like jumping the gun and making this decision and
saying this will be your candidate. That was pretty rough.
Don't like it. Don't like it at all.
Sometimes from the darkest moments come the brightest day. Sometimes
sometimes good does indeed come from bad and over the
past the past few days, the Charlie Kirk story has
dominated the news, not only his assassination, but the manhunt
(00:23):
that followed, the heroics story. As far as I'm concerned
of his parents, Mark and I were just talking with
Alex Stone here before the end of the last hour
about how that situation developed. It was mom, And I've
been seeing this from a male perspective, only because I'm
a male, and so I was thinking about how Dad
(00:45):
handled this. I hadn't even thought about mom. Mom was
not even in the equation for me. But apparently apparently
it was his mom who saw the news coverage, saw
the picture and told her husband, I think that's our son,
And they called him and said, come over to the house.
(01:08):
We want to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Something else that Mark and I have talked about off
the air. If I were in that position of those parents, yeah,
first of all, I would have turned him in if
I knew that was my son. Yes, I would have
turned him in. Painful though it may be, it is
the right thing to do, and Dad gone it. If
you can't do the right thing. You can't teach the
(01:34):
right thing to your children. You stood for nothing. Even
if it's painful, telling the truth, doing the right thing,
it matters. It may not be stylish in twenty twenty five,
but it matters. And so I have such profound appreciation
(01:56):
and respect for those parents. But when my son came
to my house to speak with me after I knew
he was the one who did this, honestly, I told
Mark I'd be armed. And I don't think that's hurtful,
hateful anything. I think that's practical. If you look and
(02:17):
your son just just wo Your son just took a life,
and the whole world saw it out of his twisted logic,
his demented perception, he killed someone thinking I'm quite sure
(02:42):
he was doing the right thing because he's so messed up,
and he's going to plead, you know, insanity or some
form of diminished capacity most likely. But I would have
been armed knowing that he was coming to the house,
(03:05):
as sad as that is to say, because again, I
think that's only logical, it's only reasonable, it's practical. Now,
of course, they announced today that they will be seeking
the death penalty. Let me explain to you, why I
think that may be more of a challenge than you
want it to be, Zachi, any idea where I'm going
(03:29):
with that? Why I think it's a challenge to get
a death penalty conviction in this case.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Well, if he pleads insanity or there's some sort of
he can go to a mental hospital instead, or I'm
not exactly sure.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I think the biggest hurtle they are going to have
is where this happened. While Utah does have a death penalty,
Utah also has a very high Mormon population, and the Mormons,
as a general rule a Phillis point, are absolutely against
capital punishment. So while they may be appalled and believe
(04:09):
that justice must be served, I don't know, without blatantly
discriminating against people due to their religious beliefs, I don't
know how they're going to ipanel a jury with any
degree of confidence that they get a conviction. And if
(04:30):
if the only option for the jury is to convict
on the charge of first degree murder with death penalty specifications,
believe it or not, I worry this guy may not
get convicted. Feel free, by the way, to explain to
me why you might disagree with me. You're always welcome
to do that, debate, discussion, disagreement with respect. That's what
(04:51):
I'm all about. A two one nine eight eighty six,
A two one WTV N. It is, it's obvious, it's
a parent. It is a no brainer. As they say
that he he is absolutely guilty of the assassination and
I used that word very intentionally, the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
But I don't know that a conviction, especially with a
(05:16):
death penalty specification, is going to be as easy as
we might think from the outside looking in. Now, how
does any of that equate to what I started with,
which was good coming from bad, positive from tragedy. Here's
what's coming that's good. A few years ago, was it
(05:40):
twenty sixteen, twenty eighteen, there was chalk of a red wave.
Couldn't get away from the talk it was gonna happen,
the red wave. It was coming, man, it was coming,
It was coming, and then it didn't. I am here
(06:03):
to tell you tonight that I think it's coming. I
think right now before us we have a motivational opportunity
not only to get out and vote, but to get
(06:23):
out and run the left. And I'm not saying Democrats,
because I know Democrats who are good and decent people.
We'd philosophically disagree on stuff, but they're good and decent people.
I'm not saying democrats. I'm saying the Left is showing
themselves now for what they are, and many people in
(06:47):
this country who thought they were aligned with that mindset
are finding it appalling. We spoke earlier of a judge
in Hamilton County celebrating the assassination doctors, nurses, heads of companies.
(07:08):
Another down in Cincinnati, that restaurant, one of the owners
gets online celebrating the assassination. They cut ties with him.
Stephen King will come to the house and read his
new book to you, just to get some exposure for
it because he got online spouting his nastiness. There is
(07:29):
an opportunity here. I'm not saying to take control. I'm
saying to at least be in the conversation, in the negotiation,
in the situation again, instead of having cities and states
around this country like Columbus, Ohio where their single party rule.
There is opportunity again. And these these nasty, vengeful, spiteful, means, spirited,
(07:54):
foul thinking people that are showing themselves for what they are,
and they are in elected office, You've got a chance
to get them out of elected office. Right here, right now,
I'm telling you, the red wave is entirely possible, more
(08:15):
so than it probably has been in my life. From
the tragedy can come a positive or again, maybe that's
just me eight two one nine eight eight six two
UTV and time you're on six ten DOBLEUTV and height.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yes, sir, thank you for taking my call. I back
you one on everything you're talking about, because I think
it's time, it's very much beyond time that America wakes up.
You know, we just keep on harboring these people that
I mean, if you've done it, you've done it. There's
no you know, putting them on death row and all
(08:53):
this stuff. If you're guilty, you're guilty. And I think
it's high time that people stand up and people to
wake up. American needs to wake up.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
The idea of this young man, I mean, he's only
twenty two, twenty two, twenty three something like that. The
idea of him spending the next sixty five years living
at our expense for doing what he did is very
very distasteful to me. But you know, that's that's how
things go, and life imprisonment is probably much more likely
(09:26):
than a death penalty case. They may go for it,
I just don't think they're going to get it. And
I just when you are absolutely guilty, when there's no
doubt of your guilt, going through this silly process where
it takes you five six years to get into a
courtroom and you know, another twenty years of appeals and
(09:48):
then you can't get convicted and then you live the rest,
that's just that's stupid. You either have a death penalty
or you don't if you got to use it.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yes to what do you.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Think about that other part of what I'm saying? Do
you see some positive coming out of all this? Do
you see what I'm saying about the these crazy left
nutcases showing themselves for what they are and giving us
an opportunity right now to maybe get out here and
actually go after some offices and win some elections. Again.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Absolutely, I think this was There's gonna be a lot
of good that comes out of this. It's a sad
thing that happened to this young man, very sad, very tragic,
but I think there's a lot of good, positive things
that's gonna come out of this whole situation. I really
do believe that.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
I think so too. I appreciate you, Tom, thanks for
being out there. And here's here's key. This is key.
Listen closely. The parties had better get off their butts
and do something. Don't just sit back and wait for
stuff to happen. You need County parties need to be
(10:49):
out there actively listening to recruiting candidates, holding classes. Here's
what happens. Here's how you run. Here's the process. Here's
what's expected of you as a candidate. Here's what you
could expect from us as party leadership. This is how
it works. You need to be doing that. I'm not
speaking just about the Franklin County GOP, although I am.
(11:12):
I am speaking about all county parties. I'm speaking about
all state parties. We all know I'm not real happy
with the Ohio Republican Party right now. This We did
the same thing I was criticizing the Democrats for in
the presidential election, when the Democrat voters went to the
polls and voted to make Joe Biden, for some unknown reason,
(11:34):
make Joe Biden their candidate. And then the party said, yeah,
we saw your vote. But here's Kamala. They want to
call the Republicans and Donald Trump and the MAGA movement
a threat to democracy. That was a threat to democracy
and the purest deforms. Your people voted, and you ignored
(11:56):
your people based on political expediency, backdoor agreements and meetings
that nobody knew about. You nullified the democratic process within
the Democratic Party. And I criticized them handily, openly and
frequently for that. But honestly, the Ohio GOP didn't do
(12:17):
much better when you know, so far ahead of the
gubernatorial race, they told us who are candidate's going to be.
I'm not saying anything bad about Vecca Ramaswami. Don't know
anything about him, can't get him to talk to me.
I've never had a conversation with the man. I'm not
saying anything bad about him. What I'm saying is we
got a long road between here and Tipperary, and it
(12:39):
seems like jumping the gun and making this decision and
saying this will be your candidate. That was pretty rough.
Don't like it. Don't like it at all.
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