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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Well, our final segment together on the Power Hour this week.
This is going to be it got Andrew Britder, State
Senator in the studio. He will be heading the Education
Committee again and you're one on which you're serving on
one other committee.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I'm on actually a bunch of committees. I'm on Finance
Committee because we will be dealing with the budget later
this year. I'm on Government Oversight and Reform, which deals
with a lot of the controversial bills sometimes like elections bills.
I'm actually working on an elections bill. And then I'm
on Rules and Reference. And what's the other one, Housing Committee,
And that's one that we're trying to address, you know,
(00:36):
the housing shortage and what can we do to try
to streamline processes, cut government regulations and costs, you know,
still have accountability, but make sure that you know, we
can get more product, more homes onto the market.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
And here's one of the cool things about Andrew Britter.
I'm just going to say it straight to your face.
He's accessible even if you are not in you know,
what you would consider to be his area, or you
know something that falls under one of his committees or whatever.
You know, he's a state Senator, if you've got a
concern and nobody else is listening to you and you
think he might be able to help, call the office
or hit him, he's all over He's on Facebook and
(01:12):
Twitter and all that kind of stuff, so it's not
hard to track him down. And and like today, he
could have been on the phone and given me ten
minutes and instead here he's been in here for almost
two hours, live and in person to talk and answer
and talk to you guys. So if you need him,
there he is. We have been waiting. Hang on a
(01:32):
second here, let me. I pushed the wrong button and
I put that one back on hold. We have been
waiting for this call. I do not want you to
be nervous. Jericha, how are you good? How are you
doing any call?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Well?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
I thank you, And you wrote a very I mean
it was very long, but you wrote a very nice
message and response to the going back to going back
into the office made some really valid points. And I
don't know, are you like a union rapper or anything,
because if not, you should be No.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
I am not a union red.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I mean somebody like you. Honestly, your words were very
concise and your points were strong. If I were working
in your office. You're the kind of person I would
kind of like speaking up on my behalf. So go ahead.
And this is this whole idea of returning to work.
You said there's a downside here, you want to make
sure people know about.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Yeah, and again, thanks for taking my call. I wish
that people would stop saying return to work and have
it listed as return to office. The work has never stopped,
at least for my department. And I know state workers
get a stigma around being lazy and they don't get
anything done. From my experience with working in the state,
(02:42):
that is far from it. I started two weeks before
COVID started and got sent home and I didn't even
know most of my team member's names. I was that
new to my department. I learned my whole job remotely.
And I understand that politicians want us back in the
(03:03):
office to save the businesses downtown and they're losing money
on real estate. But let let's just come out and
say that's why they want us back down there. It's
not because of productivity. If that was the issue, we
would have been brought in years ago.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
So few works are downtown though, now, aren't they? I
mean most most of them are in suburban office buildings
and things like that, so you're kind of in a
you're in a small group of state employees. If you're
still working in downtown Columbus.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I think, yeah, I'm in the tower. Downtown is a
big one, Okay. And one of my complaints about going
back into the office is it feels like it's just
because they can't there's no real issue or there's no
real reasoning behind it. The governor even said we have
saved I think he said fifteen point one million dollars
by having workers work remotely. My job that I do,
(03:53):
i'm customer service. Ninety five percent of my job is
on the computer. I actually am able to help the
state buy working from home because I can get back
to the customers quicker because I don't have the office politics,
the office drama, the interruptions by being in the office.
When I come into the office for our meetings, I
(04:13):
don't even have a debt. I have to sit away
from my team. So coming into the office, they're going
to have to spend money to rearrange and redo our
office to make sure our team can sit together. Because
there's not enough office space for us and then parking
garages have already started raising prices from twelve dollars to
I've seen seventeen to twenty dollars to go into work.
(04:37):
I'm not going to be able to afford that, and
I'm not going to be able to afford to save
the businesses downtown because of this added expense.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Let me ask you, Jerko, when you got your job
and they said, okay, here's how much we're paying. You know,
I don't need to talk about how much you're making,
but here's how much we're paying. That was two weeks
before the COVID go home thing, right, Yeah. Now if
you were still, if there was no such thing as
COVID and you were working, how what would you be
doing with the parking money? I mean probably it would
(05:07):
have been a little bit less because they wouldn't jack
up the prices, but you'd still be paying for the
parking every day. Is it? Are you going to realize it?
Speaker 3 (05:15):
I'm sorry, I was.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Just going to ask you. Between paying for parking and everything,
all right, I'm assuming you're going to realize a pretty
big hit. It's almost like taking a pay reduction. But
on the flip side of that, you've had a couple
of years where you were promised, you know, X number
of dollars and you were actually making X number of
dollars plus bonus of not having to pay for downtown
lunch or downtown parking. So does that does that balance
(05:39):
out in your mind at all?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
It does not, just because of the prices of everything
has gone up. And now since the time I started
to now, I have a child, and so now and
I understand mister Brinner's argument about the childcare. I have childcare.
My family takes care of my daughter, so I don't
have to worry about that, but there there are costs
with that. Even though I was able to say five
(06:03):
years of parking, it's not it doesn't balance out for me.
I think most I can't speak for most employees, but
it's so much that goes into it that it's not
going to balance out.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yeah, this is Center Brenner again. I mean, we think
about what's also happened is the federal government has stopped
spending the additional money. I mean, the state of Ohio
had billions of dollars also poured into it, on top
of the fact that you all were working from home.
But you know, and I think you said the state
may have saved fifteen million dollars there, but you know,
(06:37):
I mean we're spending you know, tens of billions of
dollars per year, and almost all of that is paid
to people to work employment, whether they're in an education
or working in a medicaid department or working for any
of our other state agencies. You know, we're paying people
to work, and the bulk of the money that we
get and spend in taxpayer revenue is for that. And
(06:59):
I don't necessarily disagree dispute your you're suggesting that you're productive,
you in fact may be uh. There may be a
lot of uh. And I think there are probably a
lot of highly productive employees that work for the State
of Ohio. However, I also know that there are a
lot of employees who are not as productive. And I
think that you're you're not seeing some of the innovation
(07:19):
and changes that we would otherwise have maybe seen had
we had employees in the office. So I I think
that there is a need to bring many people back
and and you know, I I agree with the governor
and in trying to do that. Now, you know, if
there's some better way that we can see that shows
that you know, productivity is is good or better and
(07:41):
it's cheaper. Uh, then let's then let's start selling off
some of these buildings and getting some of those taxpayer
dollars recouped.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Is the situation, Jeriica. I mean, is there anything that
you'd say, Okay, I don't I don't want to really
do that. But if this were to happen, like you know,
a month at the office in a week work from
home or some kind of rotation like that, would that
be helpful to you in any way? Or is it
at all or nothing kind of thing?
Speaker 3 (08:09):
It would be helpful. It would be helpful. And in fact,
I think maybe a week before the governor came out
with his return to author's mandate, our department was in
discussion with having us come in one day a week,
which no, I was not happy with, but I can
agree if they want to send the office, then I
can compromise. But I just feel like five days a week,
(08:31):
especially when we have to spend money to put everyone
in a chair, it's just basically busts and chairs. There's
no real reason behind it other than a financial reason,
is what I'm seeing. And then now with policies that
are coming out. If you live outside forty miles from
your location, you don't have to come in. It's not
(08:53):
that doesn't make sense, that's not providing a real reason.
It's just because big Brother can is what it comes
off at. Its people aren't be productive in their jobs.
Bring them in a matter of fact, if they're not
being productive and they're not doing their job and they're
wasting taxpayer dollars, get rid of them because we don't
want we don't want employees like that.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I agree with that, and actually I agree also if
that actually might incentivize people to work forty miles away
from where they're supposed to be in order so that
they wouldn't have to come in.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
But and that's going to take away tax dollars from
living in the city. I feel like the state's missing
a big opportunity to get and retain talent.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
That's actually been an issue that has come up was
the fact that people are working remotely, but they're still
being taxed as if they're in the local jurisdiction. That
has been an issue. I think we've tried to address
it in the General Assembly. We've had some issues with that,
and I don't think it's fair if somebody is working
remotely and they're outside of a taxing jurisdiction that they
should be taxed on their wages.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Hey, Jake, I'm about to run out of time here,
but I want to tell you Sally. First of all,
I've never talked to you before, I've never heard from
you before today, but you are welcome on the airways
anytime when I'm working. And secondly, you said you've been
at the job for five years. I hope that you
end up running something because even if we disagree on stuff,
you know what, you're open minded, you're conversive, you are
(10:16):
passionate about what you're caring about, and you're willing to
sit and talk about it and have a conversation and
try to work out something. And that is something that
is missing ninety percent of the time when it comes
to any situation like this. So you are You're way
more valuable on this planet than you might think you are.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Oh, thank you guys so much. Thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
You're very welcome. You're welcome here anytime before I say
goodbye to you. Any websites, any phone calls, people need
to make, anything that they could do to help make
twenty twenty five, a better year in the legislature or
for your office. He's looking at me like, no, you
can't help me. I got this. Are you a Twitter?
(10:56):
I don't know if I follow you on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Or now I'm on ed Andrew on Twitter. I've also
at Brenner for Ohio on Twitter, probably when I'll announce
my many runs for various statewide offices. But no, yeah,
I'm on there my local office, actually all the offices.
If you're emailing somebody in the Ohio Senate, it's their
last name at Ohio Senate dot gov. So in my case,
(11:19):
it's Brenner at Ohio Senate dot gov and feel free
to send an emails. We check those all the time,
got staff on there, and we do follow up with
constituents on a regular routine basis, and love actually talking
to constituents, even once you disagree with me. I had
somebody called in, I think it was yesterday, very upset
on my vote on Senate Bill one. And actually she
(11:42):
was upset. She was afraid that I think we were,
I don't know. She end up hanging up on me, So.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
I hate it when that happens. Yeah, it's you know
if you'd want to disagree, Let's disagree, but don't just
call and yell, use some profanity whatever and then hang
up the phone. Let's have the conversation.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah, she didn't have she didn't use any profanity, but
she was upset the way I voted. She felt that
it was you know, inappropriate and all that. And I'm
thinking myself, No, we're trying to get individual, you know,
diversity inside our colleges instead of And part of my
floor speech was yesterday that I think it was one
(12:17):
of the OpenSecrets dot org, like ninety some percent, ninety
three percent of all donations went to Kamala Harris from
Higher Ed. So if there's a diversity of thought there,
I'm sorry it's not there. And if if you've got
that many people voting for one particular person went just
back in the nineteen eighties, even it was about a
third to third to third in the amount of people
(12:39):
who are moderate conservative and liberal that were that taught
in higher Eds. I mean, you know you're now looking
at like that's about forty years ago. But there's been
a huge shift in the last thirty to forty years.
And this is why we were taking it.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
On yeah, you get the minds of the young people.
You own the future. That's what it comes down to.
And you'll notice that, you know the whole DEI mental
and eighty seven gender crowd and so forth. We stopped
seven or eight years ago, we stopped hearing the word equality,
started hearing the word equity. There's a difference there, folks.
Equity meaning I want what you have, Equality meaning I
(13:15):
want a chance to have what you have. That's that's
the difference. And every person in this country is equal.
We have equality. You come out of the womb and
you can be president, you can be a janitor, whatever
you choose to be. Equity means whatever I choose to be,
you get the stuff that I get for being what
I am. And that's that's.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Not the United States. That's not that's not our capitalist nation.
That's not about individual freedom. That's about redistribution. That's all
this is about. And unfortunately, my colleagues on the other
side of the aisle, they believe that that is in
fact what Martin Luther King wants, and that's definitely not
what he wanted.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Dream of a time in the land where my children
will not be judged by the color the color of
their skimbit, rather by the con tent of their character.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Not judged by the color of their skin, not judged well,
not judged badly, not judged at all by the color
of their skin. It doesn't matter what they are, how
they conduct themselves, how they act, what they bring to
this world. That's what determines how they're perceived and how
they're treated. That's what the dream was all about. It
wasn't about you getting what I get just because you exist.
Well, our final segment together on the Power Hour this week.
This is going to be it got Andrew Britder, State
Senator in the studio. He will be heading the Education
Committee again and you're one on which you're serving on
one other committee.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I'm on actually a bunch of committees. I'm on Finance
Committee because we will be dealing with the budget later
this year. I'm on Government Oversight and Reform, which deals
with a lot of the controversial bills sometimes like elections bills.
I'm actually working on an elections bill. And then I'm
on Rules and Reference. And what's the other one, Housing Committee,
And that's one that we're trying to address, you know,
(00:36):
the housing shortage and what can we do to try
to streamline processes, cut government regulations and costs, you know,
still have accountability, but make sure that you know, we
can get more product, more homes onto the market.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
And here's one of the cool things about Andrew Britter.
I'm just going to say it straight to your face.
He's accessible even if you are not in you know,
what you would consider to be his area, or you
know something that falls under one of his committees or whatever.
You know, he's a state Senator, if you've got a
concern and nobody else is listening to you and you
think he might be able to help, call the office
or hit him, he's all over He's on Facebook and
(01:12):
Twitter and all that kind of stuff, so it's not
hard to track him down. And and like today, he
could have been on the phone and given me ten
minutes and instead here he's been in here for almost
two hours, live and in person to talk and answer
and talk to you guys. So if you need him,
there he is. We have been waiting. Hang on a
(01:32):
second here, let me. I pushed the wrong button and
I put that one back on hold. We have been
waiting for this call. I do not want you to
be nervous. Jericha, how are you good? How are you
doing any call?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Well?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
I thank you, And you wrote a very I mean
it was very long, but you wrote a very nice
message and response to the going back to going back
into the office made some really valid points. And I
don't know, are you like a union rapper or anything,
because if not, you should be No.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
I am not a union red.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I mean somebody like you. Honestly, your words were very
concise and your points were strong. If I were working
in your office. You're the kind of person I would
kind of like speaking up on my behalf. So go ahead.
And this is this whole idea of returning to work.
You said there's a downside here, you want to make
sure people know about.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Yeah, and again, thanks for taking my call. I wish
that people would stop saying return to work and have
it listed as return to office. The work has never stopped,
at least for my department. And I know state workers
get a stigma around being lazy and they don't get
anything done. From my experience with working in the state,
(02:42):
that is far from it. I started two weeks before
COVID started and got sent home and I didn't even
know most of my team member's names. I was that
new to my department. I learned my whole job remotely.
And I understand that politicians want us back in the
(03:03):
office to save the businesses downtown and they're losing money
on real estate. But let let's just come out and
say that's why they want us back down there. It's
not because of productivity. If that was the issue, we
would have been brought in years ago.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
So few works are downtown though, now, aren't they? I
mean most most of them are in suburban office buildings
and things like that, so you're kind of in a
you're in a small group of state employees. If you're
still working in downtown Columbus.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I think, yeah, I'm in the tower. Downtown is a
big one, Okay. And one of my complaints about going
back into the office is it feels like it's just
because they can't there's no real issue or there's no
real reasoning behind it. The governor even said we have
saved I think he said fifteen point one million dollars
by having workers work remotely. My job that I do,
(03:53):
i'm customer service. Ninety five percent of my job is
on the computer. I actually am able to help the
state buy working from home because I can get back
to the customers quicker because I don't have the office politics,
the office drama, the interruptions by being in the office.
When I come into the office for our meetings, I
(04:13):
don't even have a debt. I have to sit away
from my team. So coming into the office, they're going
to have to spend money to rearrange and redo our
office to make sure our team can sit together. Because
there's not enough office space for us and then parking
garages have already started raising prices from twelve dollars to
I've seen seventeen to twenty dollars to go into work.
(04:37):
I'm not going to be able to afford that, and
I'm not going to be able to afford to save
the businesses downtown because of this added expense.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Let me ask you, Jerko, when you got your job
and they said, okay, here's how much we're paying. You know,
I don't need to talk about how much you're making,
but here's how much we're paying. That was two weeks
before the COVID go home thing, right, Yeah. Now if
you were still, if there was no such thing as
COVID and you were working, how what would you be
doing with the parking money? I mean probably it would
(05:07):
have been a little bit less because they wouldn't jack
up the prices, but you'd still be paying for the
parking every day. Is it? Are you going to realize it?
Speaker 3 (05:15):
I'm sorry, I was.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Just going to ask you. Between paying for parking and everything,
all right, I'm assuming you're going to realize a pretty
big hit. It's almost like taking a pay reduction. But
on the flip side of that, you've had a couple
of years where you were promised, you know, X number
of dollars and you were actually making X number of
dollars plus bonus of not having to pay for downtown
lunch or downtown parking. So does that does that balance
(05:39):
out in your mind at all?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
It does not, just because of the prices of everything
has gone up. And now since the time I started
to now, I have a child, and so now and
I understand mister Brinner's argument about the childcare. I have childcare.
My family takes care of my daughter, so I don't
have to worry about that, but there there are costs
with that. Even though I was able to say five
(06:03):
years of parking, it's not it doesn't balance out for me.
I think most I can't speak for most employees, but
it's so much that goes into it that it's not
going to balance out.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yeah, this is Center Brenner again. I mean, we think
about what's also happened is the federal government has stopped
spending the additional money. I mean, the state of Ohio
had billions of dollars also poured into it, on top
of the fact that you all were working from home.
But you know, and I think you said the state
may have saved fifteen million dollars there, but you know,
(06:37):
I mean we're spending you know, tens of billions of
dollars per year, and almost all of that is paid
to people to work employment, whether they're in an education
or working in a medicaid department or working for any
of our other state agencies. You know, we're paying people
to work, and the bulk of the money that we
get and spend in taxpayer revenue is for that. And
(06:59):
I don't necessarily disagree dispute your you're suggesting that you're productive,
you in fact may be uh. There may be a
lot of uh. And I think there are probably a
lot of highly productive employees that work for the State
of Ohio. However, I also know that there are a
lot of employees who are not as productive. And I
think that you're you're not seeing some of the innovation
(07:19):
and changes that we would otherwise have maybe seen had
we had employees in the office. So I I think
that there is a need to bring many people back
and and you know, I I agree with the governor
and in trying to do that. Now, you know, if
there's some better way that we can see that shows
that you know, productivity is is good or better and
(07:41):
it's cheaper. Uh, then let's then let's start selling off
some of these buildings and getting some of those taxpayer
dollars recouped.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Is the situation, Jeriica. I mean, is there anything that
you'd say, Okay, I don't I don't want to really
do that. But if this were to happen, like you know,
a month at the office in a week work from
home or some kind of rotation like that, would that
be helpful to you in any way? Or is it
at all or nothing kind of thing?
Speaker 3 (08:09):
It would be helpful. It would be helpful. And in fact,
I think maybe a week before the governor came out
with his return to author's mandate, our department was in
discussion with having us come in one day a week,
which no, I was not happy with, but I can
agree if they want to send the office, then I
can compromise. But I just feel like five days a week,
(08:31):
especially when we have to spend money to put everyone
in a chair, it's just basically busts and chairs. There's
no real reason behind it other than a financial reason,
is what I'm seeing. And then now with policies that
are coming out. If you live outside forty miles from
your location, you don't have to come in. It's not
(08:53):
that doesn't make sense, that's not providing a real reason.
It's just because big Brother can is what it comes
off at. Its people aren't be productive in their jobs.
Bring them in a matter of fact, if they're not
being productive and they're not doing their job and they're
wasting taxpayer dollars, get rid of them because we don't
want we don't want employees like that.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I agree with that, and actually I agree also if
that actually might incentivize people to work forty miles away
from where they're supposed to be in order so that
they wouldn't have to come in.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
But and that's going to take away tax dollars from
living in the city. I feel like the state's missing
a big opportunity to get and retain talent.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
That's actually been an issue that has come up was
the fact that people are working remotely, but they're still
being taxed as if they're in the local jurisdiction. That
has been an issue. I think we've tried to address
it in the General Assembly. We've had some issues with that,
and I don't think it's fair if somebody is working
remotely and they're outside of a taxing jurisdiction that they
should be taxed on their wages.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Hey, Jake, I'm about to run out of time here,
but I want to tell you Sally. First of all,
I've never talked to you before, I've never heard from
you before today, but you are welcome on the airways
anytime when I'm working. And secondly, you said you've been
at the job for five years. I hope that you
end up running something because even if we disagree on stuff,
you know what, you're open minded, you're conversive, you are
(10:16):
passionate about what you're caring about, and you're willing to
sit and talk about it and have a conversation and
try to work out something. And that is something that
is missing ninety percent of the time when it comes
to any situation like this. So you are You're way
more valuable on this planet than you might think you are.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Oh, thank you guys so much. Thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
You're very welcome. You're welcome here anytime before I say
goodbye to you. Any websites, any phone calls, people need
to make, anything that they could do to help make
twenty twenty five, a better year in the legislature or
for your office. He's looking at me like, no, you
can't help me. I got this. Are you a Twitter?
(10:56):
I don't know if I follow you on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Or now I'm on ed Andrew on Twitter. I've also
at Brenner for Ohio on Twitter, probably when I'll announce
my many runs for various statewide offices. But no, yeah,
I'm on there my local office, actually all the offices.
If you're emailing somebody in the Ohio Senate, it's their
last name at Ohio Senate dot gov. So in my case,
(11:19):
it's Brenner at Ohio Senate dot gov and feel free
to send an emails. We check those all the time,
got staff on there, and we do follow up with
constituents on a regular routine basis, and love actually talking
to constituents, even once you disagree with me. I had
somebody called in, I think it was yesterday, very upset
on my vote on Senate Bill one. And actually she
(11:42):
was upset. She was afraid that I think we were,
I don't know. She end up hanging up on me, So.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
I hate it when that happens. Yeah, it's you know
if you'd want to disagree, Let's disagree, but don't just
call and yell, use some profanity whatever and then hang
up the phone. Let's have the conversation.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah, she didn't have she didn't use any profanity, but
she was upset the way I voted. She felt that
it was you know, inappropriate and all that. And I'm
thinking myself, No, we're trying to get individual, you know,
diversity inside our colleges instead of And part of my
floor speech was yesterday that I think it was one
(12:17):
of the OpenSecrets dot org, like ninety some percent, ninety
three percent of all donations went to Kamala Harris from
Higher Ed. So if there's a diversity of thought there,
I'm sorry it's not there. And if if you've got
that many people voting for one particular person went just
back in the nineteen eighties, even it was about a
third to third to third in the amount of people
(12:39):
who are moderate conservative and liberal that were that taught
in higher Eds. I mean, you know you're now looking
at like that's about forty years ago. But there's been
a huge shift in the last thirty to forty years.
And this is why we were taking it.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
On yeah, you get the minds of the young people.
You own the future. That's what it comes down to.
And you'll notice that, you know the whole DEI mental
and eighty seven gender crowd and so forth. We stopped
seven or eight years ago, we stopped hearing the word equality,
started hearing the word equity. There's a difference there, folks.
Equity meaning I want what you have, Equality meaning I
(13:15):
want a chance to have what you have. That's that's
the difference. And every person in this country is equal.
We have equality. You come out of the womb and
you can be president, you can be a janitor, whatever
you choose to be. Equity means whatever I choose to be,
you get the stuff that I get for being what
I am. And that's that's.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Not the United States. That's not that's not our capitalist nation.
That's not about individual freedom. That's about redistribution. That's all
this is about. And unfortunately, my colleagues on the other
side of the aisle, they believe that that is in
fact what Martin Luther King wants, and that's definitely not
what he wanted.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Dream of a time in the land where my children
will not be judged by the color the color of
their skimbit, rather by the con tent of their character.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Not judged by the color of their skin, not judged well,
not judged badly, not judged at all by the color
of their skin. It doesn't matter what they are, how
they conduct themselves, how they act, what they bring to
this world. That's what determines how they're perceived and how
they're treated. That's what the dream was all about. It
wasn't about you getting what I get just because you exist.
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