CFB Summer School: Penn State a Mirage, Week 1 Upsets, and the Comp Game - 07/23/25

Sean Brace, Joe Tansey, Mark Henry Jr., and Ryan "BEEF" Coyle convene for the first deep dive into the 2025 College Football season. Penn State a mirage? Week 1 upsets? The Comp Game!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Oh yes, the drums are playing. Strike up the band.
It's another college football season on the horizon. Summer school
classes and session. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. No better
time to dive into the college football world than right
now with our great minds representing the Gambler Gang. Hello everybody,

(00:48):
I am Sean Brace, joined to my right, host of
the Tough Cover Radio show every Saturday morning, Mark Henry Junior,
Good afternoon, Good evening, Mark, how we doing right? Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Just made it back from Boston, past the past the
Basketball Hall of Fame, which fun fact, is in a
shopping center. I did not know you could enter a subway,
get yourself a little meal deal, and then you know,
walk right next door into the Basketball Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Pretty cool. I like that. You need to make it
a trip up there one time to That's right, uh,
bottom right hand corner. Ryan beef Coyle, who was told
today on the walking path down here in Concha Hocken
that he is looking like a slim legend right now.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
I'm counting the pavement man how to get how to
make some changes, drying out the whole bit. But uh,
one month, one month from today we got kickoff, So
I don't know how much longer these changes will be
in effect, but yeah, the pavement will be.

Speaker 5 (01:53):
I don't believe any of those changes in the changes.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
It's one Sunday. He took off drinking for one Sunday,
and now it's changes.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
Yeah, I read a five k yesterday. Come on, give
me some slack, all right?

Speaker 2 (02:09):
And then our returning champion Ladies and gentlemen bottom left
hand corner. You know him, you love him. We stole
from the Philadelphia Union Soccer beat this sevenon Are they
not playing tonight?

Speaker 5 (02:21):
No, that was last Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Oh I'm sorry, that's right. As I was coming, as
it was coming out of my mouth, I'm like, wait
a minute, note it's not correct. Joe Tansy, Hello, Joe.

Speaker 5 (02:30):
Days are just a blur.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
If you're a parent, that is true that Jason days
and weeks are such a.

Speaker 5 (02:36):
Blur around here. I mean, it is what it is.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
This is my first deep deep dive into the college
football twenty five, so I know, I know you guys
have had your magazines out for weeks upon months.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Not only I just want to stay there.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
Go.

Speaker 5 (02:55):
I haven't bought one of those college football magazines in
at least a decade.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Sorry, they're not for everybody. It's all good, But I
love him and Phil does a great job. I think
he definitely. Oh, get out of here. Come on, you
can't give a thumbs down. You could say you prefer
you could prefer another one. You can't tell me this
magazine isn't good.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Roy and I were just talking about this on Saturday.

Speaker 5 (03:18):
I do not.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Need to know the twenty twenty one recruiting ranking for
Minnesota and they're expected wins in twenty nineteen and where
their defense finished three recruiting classes A.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Go, all right? So okay, dude, each come on, man,
you can't you can't tell me that this is a
thumbs down magazine thumbs down one square on two pages
filled up for about those teams for this year's roster?
Is you know is only connected to the twenty and
twenty record win loss.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
Let's talk magazine efficiency. Is this a good radio segment
where we both hold up magazine.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
To what we want on this page? On this page,
I like that that.

Speaker 5 (04:08):
One gives you the depth chart.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
They give you a little little couple of paragraphs on
the offense, a couple of paragraphs on the defense, a
little special teams, a little final analysis. I always like
they give you a little a scout, an anonymous big
ten scout gives you a couple of paragraphs. Yeah, give
me athlon, Phil, Get Phil out of here.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Billet still sets. Phil sets the table. And you know what,
you know who's knocking it down right now in the
college football world as far as coverage is concerned, and
it's the only place I can get it, it's CBS
Sports HQ. They are all over the media days. They
are doing a tremendous job with the videos. Get you
caught up good forty five minutes segments or twenty five

(04:51):
minute segment. Excuse me, forty five minutes coverage in an hour,
Like I gotta tip my cat to him, because I've
been Jones. I've been looking for it. I'm trying to
take some of this knowledge that Phil has put upon
us here that I was able to dive into for
the last week and a half here, two weeks, whatever
it may be, and say, look, all right, I need
more college football discussion the only place that I'm getting
it right now on the television screen is CBS Sports,

(05:14):
so I think they do a bang up job. Great
conversation today with Danny Knell and what's his name McFadden,
former Florida State player, as well, of course about the Knowles.
We'll talk about the Knowles. No, no, no, not EJ.
It was Bryant mc fadden. Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, Well, look,
we wasted a lot of time to get to this point,
so let's go ahead and dive right into it. And

(05:36):
it's a question that we all love because it starts
with the quarterback position. And I'm going to ask you
and I know what the expectations are, and I know
what the hype is, and I know what the Heisman
Trophy odds are, but that doesn't matter to you, guys.
And this is why I think it's a great question
to start off, who is the best quarterback in college football?

(05:58):
Who has what team in college football right now has
the best situation at the quarterback position. I will start
with Joe Tanzy on this one because he kind of
lit the fuse on this question a little earlier today.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
So the sarcastic answer I had in my head is
quin yours, because if he would have came back and
taken the five six seven, however much money in IL,
he'd be pretty damn good.

Speaker 5 (06:27):
This season. Wherever he landed.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
It is.

Speaker 5 (06:33):
It's such a weird.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Dynamic because the Heisman Trophy favorite is Arch Manning, and
everything we know about Manning's in the sec leads us
to believe he's going to be really good and he's done.
I guess the rare thing now where he's waited those
multiple years in college, learned the system, perfected in it,

(06:57):
played a very small role in it last year. Now
this is his team. You don't see that often. If
most of these guys, if they were in issues, would
have transferred out of Texas or maybe not even enrolled there.
So like everyone's default answer is Arch Manning, but you

(07:18):
don't have a sample size, Garrett, Garrettnusmeyer is very interesting.
The mt LSU Drew Aller led Penn State to the
semifinals last year. Kate Club Nick is getting a lot
of hype at Clemson, which is interesting to me because
we tour Kate Club Nick to shreds. When he took

(07:39):
over for dj A, we tore him apart like, this
guy's not any good. So to see the complete one
eighty on him in the media this summer is incredible
because if this was eighteen months ago, I mean, he
he should have been transferred to like, you know, Utah
State or somewhere because he wasn't good there.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
You had a.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Crazy stretch to finish the year last year.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah, DJ Lagway, I mean, the potentials there right at Florida.

Speaker 5 (08:08):
It's it's so exciting.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Leonora Seller's kind of come out of nowhere because the
draft knicks love him, will absolutely love him at South Carolina.
So that's one that's interesting too. But what are these
guys all have in common? They don't compare to some
of these experienced guys that we've seen over the last
few years.

Speaker 5 (08:31):
I don't know the answer to it.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
I think my default answer right now might be Nussmeyer's.
There's been a lot of flaws with Aler, a lot
of flaws with Club Nick. And if you're going based
on like who would I trust right now to win
a national championship, arch Manning is high up on the list.
But I haven't seen arch Manning play more than two
street college football games against quality opposition, and to me,

(08:59):
that matters, and it may matter right away against Ohio State,
and if they lose that game, it doesn't matter because
they'll be in the playoff anyway. But there's a lot
of question marks at the quarterback position this year, and
I don't think there's a consensus answer. I think if
you went around and as to one hundred people and

(09:20):
kind of open ended gave him the answer, I think
maybe you'd get forty to fifty based off people that
know college football. Sure, if they don't know college football
and they see Arch Banding, of course that's going to
be the name. But I think if you surveyed about
one hundred people, I don't know if you'd get to
fifty or sixty with a consensus number one option.

Speaker 5 (09:42):
It's just it's that wide open.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
I think it makes it fun because we're not going
in with the automatic coronation of a single guy at
least yet.

Speaker 5 (09:52):
Now.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
If Arch beats Ohio State in a certain way, the
crown's on his head and it's his crown. But right now,
I think it's a big open ended question on who
the best quarterback is in the country. Nus myer, I
guess is my default from what my brain saw last year.
But I can be swayed probably three or four different ways.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
By the way, I think a part of this. Four
of the top nine quarterbacks and Heisman ods right now,
not that we're having a Heisman conversation for the top
nine have never I mean, Arch started what two games,
But there's four of the top nine that aren't returning starters.
It's Arch who barely started a couple of games. You
have Ty Simpson who's coming in fresh Tobama, Julian Sayin

(10:38):
coming in fresh to Ohio State, Dante Moore coming in
fresh to Oregon. Like, that's four of the top nine
quarterbacks and Heisman ods. So I think it's the year
of uncertainty at the quarterback position. I agree with Joe,
though I would go Nussmeyer. He's the if you look
at the I think he was seventh in returning or
in passing yards last year, and the other top six
are all gone same system. If you're like there's some

(10:59):
continuity there. I like LSU as a full blown national
title contender, and I think nuss has to be the
main reason why.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
You know, by the way, they did get a transfer
for Mississippi State. If I'm not mistaken, might have Van Buren.
So as far as the best quarterback situation, best quarterback room,
it could be very well, lsu beef your thoughts on
that question, and let me just back up, because yes,
he only started two games, but I believe arch has
now played in twelve total games. Is that not enough

(11:29):
sample size for you to make the declaration that Archie
Manning is the best quarterback in college football? And you're
probably the wrong guy to ask because you've been asking
everyone to pump the brakes.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
Yeah, I mean playing games that could be taking a
that could be taking a couple snaps and taking a knee,
like literally just doing that at the end. We saw
them in flashes, you know, running the football and whatnot.
But to make the conversation on I was boring because
my answer probably would have been nuss as well. I'll
go with Lenora Sellers. I think if you put Lenora
Sellers on Texas on Ohio State instead of South Carolina,

(12:00):
you know he's getting a lot more hype going into
the season. I think he's just down a peg because
it's South Carolina. South Carolina's got one of the top five,
probably toughest schedules in the country.

Speaker 5 (12:09):
This year.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
If he takes that team to nine ten wins, he's
certainly going to be you know, not just in the
Heisman conversation at the end of the day, but in
the conversation for the number one pick. It's rare to
throw out like a comparison like this, but you watch
him run the football. He has like a mix of
Lamar's wiggle with Cam's like size and strength. The throwing
definitely has to get under control a little bit more,

(12:31):
has to improve his accuracy, but that's one of those
things that's only going to get better over time. With reps.
You look at Josh Allen as a perfect example all
the talent in the world. Coming out, he was fairly inaccurate,
but he's gotten better and better as his NFL time's
going along. I think, you know, Leonoris is kind of
like a comparison to him. But what can he do
with this South Carolina team? Does he, you know, revert

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back to the mean and take this team to a
six and six, seven and five, or does he take
him to the next level of nine and three, ten
and two. All the talent in the world, I think
might be the most talented player you know on the
offensive side of the ball not named Jeremiah Smith.

Speaker 5 (13:04):
In the country.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
To the point on Arch the two games he had
significant playing time in last year when you Weres was
hurt against Mississippi State, he went twenty six to thirty
one with three twenty five.

Speaker 5 (13:15):
But we know how bad Mississippi State was.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
And then he had significant time against ul Monroe, but
he threw two picks neck game. So I mean, twelve
twelve games doesn't mean anything when a lot of those
games were backup duty.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah, but we also know what arches, Like, let's not
sugarcoat it. We know no, no, we know what archers are.
Still he is five quarterback in the league, no issue. No,
if it's that, I don't think what we absolutely know
that arch man at.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
All, that he was going in over Quinn.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, I agree, Like.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
I think I think that was a very selective situation,
a very comfortable situation for start in.

Speaker 5 (13:56):
The middle of that Georgia game, Georgia.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
Totally blind deer in the headlights, like.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
He's got where's he getting drafted next year? Let me
ask you that.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
No, I mean is gonna go high to I'm not
talking about these guys are getting drafted high.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
But yeah, but we are just being discussed as number
one overall.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
Not getting going to the draft at all next year,
the best quarterback.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
If he's nobody's surprised. Like I'm not going to tell
you I'd be surprised if he comes out sarks an
amazing coach. I'm sure I actually haven't dove too deep
into the receivers there, but I'm sure they have. I'm
sure they're loaded with dudes for for weapons for him
to use. I don't know. I don't have any doubt.
I'm I'm picking Texas to go eleven and one to

(14:44):
win the SEC. But I don't know if we can
just say he's a top five quarterback right now. I
do think there's a level of we have to see.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
It, Okay, guys, I put I put with the hang on,
I put with the with with everything he brings to
the table far as with his legs, the ability of course,
what we've seen, and don't get me wrong, I'm not
trying to say that the the high school level, but
like this dude has just been ripping it up now
for what seems like years. It really does seem like

(15:12):
we've been watching him play for years and now here
he is he gets the opte opportunity to be the
starter from day one, and it's about as perfect as
a position that a quarterback could come into. Right, they
have just eased him into things. I think, what he's
a very special quarterback. So I have no I have
no problem saying that. If I was ranking quarterbacks, there's

(15:33):
no doubt in my mind I'm having him top five.
I could have him top three, I do. There are
a lot of good quarterbacks, though, a lot of good
quarter that that's not I don't have a problem with that.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
I think I'll submit a bit for a guy we
haven't mentioned yet though, and somebody who at the end
of last season actually impressed.

Speaker 5 (15:49):
And again in a very short sample size.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
But in i'd call these games that matter Gunner stocked
in at Georgia, I would, I would submit his name
into the conversation only because we know Georgia is gonna
be there. Right, we see this, this very small flash
of potential in the postseason. Again, he could suck like.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
There's there's a bunch on.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
This list, but he plays for Georgia. He's in a
very good position. Now, again we saw how Carson Beck's
play really has significantly affected Georgia over the last few years.

Speaker 5 (16:30):
You got to have the right guy on the right spot.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
But when when you look at the list, yes, it
starts with Arch, then it goes to nust Meyer, then
it goes to Aller. Sellers is absolutely in that list,
and so is Club Nick, and a lot of people
are on on DJ Lagway as well. But when I
look at when I look at everything and these names
out there, I'm not a huge believer in John Materier

(16:54):
at Oklahoma count need to see it at the step
up that that he took from Washington State, and to
see before I believe it all these young guys again,
kind of to see it before I believe it. Look,
it's a small stable size, but this is a guy
who at least had some experience in a pressure packed
game last year, and he's gonna play for one of
the top teams in the SEC. I think we'll hear

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his name discussed thoroughly throughout the season.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Well, I think go ahead, Mark.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
I think he's gonna be like a Stetson Bennett, maybe
run a little bit more than Stetson. Like, I think
he's going to kind of be keep the train on
the tracks guy.

Speaker 5 (17:31):
If I was.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Taking a swing on a guy, like on a news starter,
I think i'd go with saying at Ohio State or
maybe more at Oregon. Those would probably be the two looks.

Speaker 5 (17:42):
I'd think.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
The interesting thing about Oregon is Makai Hughes this running
back transfer they got, I'm blanking on where he's coming to, Like, yeah, yeah,
he had like fifteen hundred yards last year if you
watch them, if you watched something, he looks like Bucky
Irving a lot. I think Bucky who killed it at
or again in the same system. And I think he's
probably even a higher prospect than Bucky was when he

(18:03):
came to Oregon, So I think he's like a potential
deep sleeper. Running Backs don't really win the highs one though,
so maybe that hurts more. I really like Oregon, which
I'm sure we'll get to, so I'm kinda if I
was taking a shot in the dark, maybe I look
at more twenty five to one. If we're talking about
guys who it's a little bit kind of guessing on.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
I think you can lump more saying you know Ty
Simpson to an extent and Gunderstocked in a that group of.

Speaker 5 (18:27):
Like, well, it could be.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
There are a lot of guys that be envious of
their situations, right I think to me, it wouldn't be
a surprise if any of those four guys has success
because of the talent around them.

Speaker 5 (18:40):
I mean, oh yeah, no doubt. A guy that steps
into Ohio.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
State or steps into Georgia comes in and ends up
having a big year. There's one other guy that has
my attention. I think he got brought up in one
of our group texts over the last few weeks.

Speaker 5 (18:53):
That's Miller Laws at Louisville.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
A lot of Louisville buzz.

Speaker 5 (18:58):
That's something in that offense. You know he's gonna put
up numbers now.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
Again, not saying he's gonna win the Heisman Trophy, but
if we if we look back on this conversation and
we say the ten quarterbacks in college football in twenty
twenty five in the third week of December, I think
Miller Moss is in that conversation where it's in the
transfer portal.

Speaker 5 (19:18):
It's all about finding that right fit.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
It may not be going to the flashiest place, but
if you can find that right fit and it fits
you perfectly, there's a lot of chance to succeed.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
There.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
I couldn't agree more there, Shuck. I don't think Tyler
Shuck is any good like you saw it at Texas
again either, he did not impress until he got to Louisville,
until he got with Brom. I think Brom's one of
the ten to fifteen best coaches in the country. I
think I'm starting to I think I'm fully there. I'm
gonna pick Louisville over Clemson to win the ACC. Maybe
that's uh, maybe that's going out on a limb, But

(19:50):
I think Miller Moss is going to be in New
York for the Heisman ceremony.

Speaker 5 (19:56):
By the way, we did we did. We did all
this conversation and didn't mention.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Dylan, which is a pretty good one.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah, this time, bring up who at this time last
year was the guy we were talking about NonStop.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
I'll also say, bring up another quarterback in just a
second that by this time last year had even higher
praise than anyone we have discussed yet. In just a second,
but real quick to the comments, Mikey p is Manning
coming out next year is sure thing I don't know.
As Beef pointed out, we talked about that earlier this week.
Beef I will find out. We'll see how the season
plays out. Again, this is he's just a different situation.

(20:32):
He's a manning. We don't need to go down the path.
But all in know, if he's guaranteed to be the
number one overall pick, I'm pretty sure he's going. We'll
leave it at that. He also agrees with DJ Lagway
could have a really good, solid season. Yeah, the expectations
are there. Of course. The one thing that anytime any
anybody brings him up, shoulder. That's one of the first
thing that gets brought up. If he can remain healthy,

(20:53):
if you're not worried about that, sky's the limit. As
I believe, Beef. If I'm not mistaken, he was the
number one one player in college football as far as
recruiter is concerned.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
Yes, yeah, DJ Lagley was, and he's I've heard he's
dealt with some soft tissue stuff as well this all season. So,
like you said, it's all about kind of health with
him and one more player that we didn't even talk about,
Sam Levitt. So Arizona State's a college football playoff last year.
He returns as well with you know, maybe the best
receiver not named Jeremiah Smith with with Jordan Tyson. And

(21:25):
that's the thing with the quarterbacks this year, Like I
think we all agreed that to be there's not one
guy that's like, you know, our Tim Tebow is here,
he's the guy. There's so many players that could be
the guy. Which is I think gonna make it such
a fun season.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Lagway kind of goes in a bucket with a lot
of other names where it's like, I think some of
the best quarterbacks this year are not on teams that
I would say are traditional, like where you would expect
the Heisman to call. Like Sawyer Robertson is a guy
who you look at like I was just going to
bring him up Tailor he's I think it's twenty eight
touchdown six picks. I don't have it right in front

(21:59):
of me. But another guy, Josh Hoover at TCU, Like
I don't know if either of those teams tc or
Baylor will be good enough to support maybe like a
Heisman campaign. Uh, you look at John Matteer, who you
brought up already, really tough schedule at Oklahoma, same with
Lagway at Florida. Like neither of those I mean, if
those teams were in the Big twelve or another conference.

(22:20):
Like I think i'd probably buy their heisman candidacy a
little bit more. But I don't see Oklahoma or Florida,
you know, doing better than eight and four with their schedules,
just how tough they are. So that's kind of there's
a lot of quarterbacks in that. Kevin Jennings at SMU
they went to the flag still.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Have not brought up my guy yet, And I mean,
I know, I know, and yeah, and I mean it
because I'm saying, I'm just asking about the situation he's going.
I'm not saying he's my guy, but man, he was
number one Heisman favorite last year at this point in time,
and of course i'm talking about Carson back and and

(23:00):
he's going to Miami.

Speaker 6 (23:01):
It's not who I thought you were talking about. Not either,
but we could see we forgot. We forgot about him too.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yeah, no, yeah, he I'm sour on that whole situation.
What a disaster and he can yeah, and just I
don't know what's going on as far as the intentions
with the old man, if like what's true and what's not.
If that's the truth, then like come on, dude, what
are we doing here? But yeah, that's Nico, and I
think he's got all the world of potential. But he

(23:33):
had an opportunity to really kick his kick the door
in on the road against Ohio State. And there's been
other spots last year as well. Young quarterback would have
loved to see him stay in Tennessee, but U c.
L A Is just in a different stratosphere compared to
everything we're talking about now. But Carson Beck is an
interesting question because campboard similar somewhat right, like not really

(23:55):
in that point, other than the fact that they're going
to Miami for a one off here heavy and I
l money, but cam Ward earned every bit that came
his way and became the number one overall pick. I'm
not asking whether or not Carson Beck will be the
number one overall pick, but is there a chance that
Carson Beck lives up to those expectations that were for
him last year at Georgia in a new uniform with

(24:16):
Miami Joe to you first.

Speaker 5 (24:18):
The trajectories are so different of the two quarterbacks though,
oh absolutely, because.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Cam Ward came in, you know, from from Incarnate Ward
up to Washington State, and he took off like a
rocket ship and rightfully so got the bag at Miami
and they got rewarded in the NFL. Carson Beck, I
think that the stock on him is is just so
low at this point, right, Like, look, if you're if
you're buying stock, one.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Good time to buy.

Speaker 5 (24:46):
It's a good time to buy, for sure.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
But then but then again, look look where he's playing,
right and what what does that program and that that
head coach specifically have a long track record of just
being losers. This isn't this isn't the you of the
other two thousands, Like Mario Christobal is one of those

(25:09):
guys that he can't even get over the hump into
the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
So why.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Why are we thinking it's going to be any different
with a quarterback who proved at Georgia that he wasn't
going to be able to get the job done. I'm
very sour on Miami, very sour on Carson Beck.

Speaker 5 (25:30):
Again, can't be proven wrong.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Just to change of scenery could help, But I'm very
skeptical on what Carson Beck and Miami can do.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Open up Week one against Notre Dame. Notre Dame and Miami,
the Catholics versus the Convicts going at it again.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
Mark, I feel great about this, and I love this
as our early season matchup, way more than going to
College Station last year. The thing I'm the thing I'm
surprised about with Carson Beck is I was a big
Carson Beck guy because I was so impressed with his
twenty twenty three I thought he was great in twenty
twenty three, really efficient, and I thought, going into twenty

(26:09):
twenty four, you know, the guy's in the same system,
they're gonna ask him to do more. But I think
what I underestimated, and I knew Bowers was a stud.
He had Bowers in twenty twenty three. Who we then
see is, I think, immediately the best tight end in
the NFL right now. And what I didn't realize is
just how good Lad McConkie was. I mean, Lad McConkie
goes to the NFL, he's the top twenty, top twenty

(26:31):
five receiver immediately as a rookie, and you know expected,
you know, being drafted as like a top twelve fantasy
guy this year. So maybe Carson Beck was inflated a
little bit by having Bowers in McConkie out there in
twenty twenty three. We already saw Bauer, or we already
saw Beck take a step back last year, and then
I feel like the part that's just being glossed over.

(26:51):
The guy had a major shoulder injury like right before
that held him out of the playoffs, and then now
is just coming back from that and people expect it
to be totally fine. If anything, I love that Notre
Dames getting them early in the season, getting him in
his first game back, and they're gonna he's probably the
best defense I'll see all year in his first game
there with his reconstructed shoulder, worrying about the Cavender Twins

(27:15):
and who he's DM and on Instagram on the side.
So I have I have no fear of Miami. I
have a lot more fear of Notre Dames. I think
it's their third game where they come back at home
to play Texas A and m I think that's actually
a harder game even though it's at home. So I
don't know what the spread is. I'm sure Miami's favored
in that game.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Great, No Notre Dame three point favorites.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
Wow, I haven't taken a look at any of the
spreads for Week zero or Week one at all.

Speaker 4 (27:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
Not Dame minus three. Okay, that's a respectable line.

Speaker 5 (27:45):
I still like that.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
I think Notre Dame wins that game.

Speaker 5 (27:48):
Miami season could go pretty sideways.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
I agree. I was just texting Beef this. I think
they have like six and six, seven and five potential.
I really do.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
There's a chance we don't talk about them after October.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
I agree.

Speaker 5 (28:03):
And and look, I know we're sour.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
On Florida and and and billion Napier as a coach,
but that's a game that that sets up as potentially,
you know, from Florida's perspective, because of their schedule Florida State,
you know, and Castillanos is too big for his bridges
down there. But that's someone who loves who loved them
at BC.

Speaker 5 (28:23):
But that's not gonna be an easy game. Rivalry game.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Louisville, I think, is a better team you get on
a primetime stage. I mean, look, there's a chance that
I don't know, two and four is is a little extreme,
but there's a chance they could be five hundred going
into November and we just completely forget about them.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Beef, did you ever DM a Cavender twin?

Speaker 4 (28:46):
No, I have not, But they did go just ooop
jobs this past week. I saw that that's my that's
my contribution to the Carson Beck segment.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
But real fast to follow on the beef set, I'll
already that. But to follow up on what Tansey said
about the early part of the schedule, I was, I
actually think that late part of the schedule could be tricky.
That their last three games you have NC State coming
to Miami. I don't know how good. NC State's going
to be, probably seven and five like normal. But also

(29:18):
after NC State you go to Blacksburg for Virginia Tech
and then you go to Pitt. Both teams I think
have a little sleeper potential in the ACC. It depends
if you're in on Drones. Depends how and you are
on the first half of Pitt's yer last year, and
if you think the second halfric a little bit of
an illusion.

Speaker 5 (29:34):
I have been in on k Drones for three years
and it still hasn't.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
I mean, I have both around seven or eight wins,
like I think both are pesky. But going to Blacksburg
and then going to Pitt back to back to close
your year, I don't think that's an easy way to
close the season, and especially with a crystal ball team
that we I mean not Chris Ball team Chris of
all every team he's ever coached is that's those are

(29:59):
classes classic crystal ball stock. Even if they make it
through the first nine weeks and they're nine and one
going to Virginia Tech, they're absolutely losing that game.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
They're going They're going either one and two or zero
to three. And those three November road games at SMU
at Botech Pittsburgh, that's and it it's used to a
more negative record. If Miami, the higher Miami is ranked,
that's just that's the Miami coefficient. That's how it works.
I think everybody else is, you know, under the assumption.

(30:31):
That's that's how it works too. And looking at the ACC,
I mean SMUs plus eight fifty legals plus eight fifty. Now, look,
Clemson comes into as the favorite, there's no doubt about that.
But if you don't trust anything about Miami, and we
just gave you plenty of reasons you shouldn't.

Speaker 5 (30:49):
SMU.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
Oh, by the way, just went to the playoff last year,
and the better quarterback is back. I think we can
all agree on that as well. And then Louisville, we
just highlighted Miller Mawson and the fit in the system
that's potentially there too. And look, I think Georgia Tech
because veteran quarterback Henes King.

Speaker 5 (31:08):
I think at least they'll schedule, but they'll at least
be in the mix.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
But I would not touch Miami with a ten foot pole,
uh to win the ACC at plus three eighty. Look
even again, even if they go perfect until November one,
you've seen this roller coaster break down mid flight every
single year with Mario Cristobal. It's college football. You know
exactly what these coaches, regardless of who the talent is,

(31:34):
are going to present to you.

Speaker 5 (31:36):
They are who they thought we were.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
I like that. That's a great segue. First though, I
do want to pump up my guy, Kolby Marts showill
be with me out in Chicago talking about that him
looking like a full blown meal. Thank you, Colby. I
appreciate that well, crossing streams actions. He's a big baseball guy.
I see the Phillies with a J t Rolomuto. Bam,
Are we upright now? Mark?

Speaker 3 (31:56):
Or we tiger bottom the ninth out?

Speaker 5 (32:00):
What's baseball? Is that? Is that a summer sport?

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (32:04):
Our teams are teams still competing in that.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
Oh yeah, I just picked up Michael Harris off the
waiver wire in my fantasy having a great.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Second half, but the Braves have been I would bet
against the Braves single night of this night game.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
I don't want to edit this hour, so no more
of baseball talk. That was my fault though. All right,
but speaking of teams, let's go ahead and talk about
two teams you already see in the headline. One team
that we're gonna come to I'm gonna save them. Second.
But this is a perfect segue, Joe back to you
again because you just said you are. We know who
these teams are, we know who these coaches are. By now,

(32:42):
calendar boor that's the question I want to talk about
Alabama right now. Second year at Washington got them to
a National Championship game. Second year Alabama, of course, coming
off of what was an impossible situation to live up
to what Saban has been able to do, replace the legend.
Do you with everybody transferring out and then have everything

(33:03):
like they were definitely disappointing after the whole season played out.
Don't get me wrong with four losses, but at the
end of the day, man, there's a lot the hanger
had on and I do believe that there's plenty of
room to improve and they will do exactly that this year.
But enough of me your expectations for Alabama. I don't
think it's a point that it's where we can buy low.
Their win total is still what nine and a half?
If I'm not mistaken, Nobody from the odds perspective is

(33:26):
saying that, you know, this is a team that we're
not banking on. This is absolutely a team that the
odds makers are thinking can win the SEC this year.
What are you saying about Alabama though?

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Yeah, unless Mike Schuler comes back to coach the Crimson Tide,
you're not buying low on them at any point.

Speaker 5 (33:41):
True.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
I guess the question is can the quarterback play be
more consistent? Because how many times did we sit here
last year and over the past few years about Jalen
Milroe and say, if only he was more consistent, if
the mistakes were cleaned up, if there were more really
good haves like the one against Georgia that showed up

(34:04):
every single week, like we kept if Jalen Milmer was
the stock we kept buying and buying and buying because
we saw what the potential was and he just never
lived up to the full potential that we wanted him
to have. So look at a clean slate for whoever
they choose a quarterback. I think that Simpson's got the
nod right now. But yeah, it all comes down the

(34:25):
quarterback plate. Shocker, right, You know it's it's the simplest thing,
but also you get the most difficult thing to figure out,
especially when you're at Alabama's level. Michael Pennis is certainly
not walking through that door. I'm actually kind of surprised
they didn't go that route. I get that, you know,

(34:46):
freshman prospects, young prospects are one way to go in
this day and age, but you're Alabama, this.

Speaker 5 (34:53):
Is year two under Duboor and you need to make
some things happen.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
I'm actually kind of surprised they didn't through a at
somebody and try and do something different, or hellwa throw
the five to ten milliquin yours and say hey, come back,
which is what I would have done. I would have
I would have made the bank instead of sitting to
bench c NFL. But that's another take from their day. Look,

(35:18):
the schedule is.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Not go beef. That's beef. You broke down the win loss. Right,
you went down the win loss for BAM already. What'd
you have him at in your thoughts on the bar
year two year?

Speaker 4 (35:28):
Yeah, I think I had them in there at ten
and two. I'm certainly in on the bounce back. I
love that Grub was able to come back as former
offensive con. We talked about that brace where he went
to the Seahawks last year. Now he's back in the fold.
But everything I've been hearing since SEC media days, ty
Simpson doesn't have it one locked up yet. I think

(35:49):
going into camp and still the competition and Kelon Russell
is a five star guy, And this was my point
to Brace the other day was if they're unsure, you know,
if Ty Simpson or Austin Mack, if they're not heading
shoulders better than Kelon Russell, why not put in the
five star guy and basically do kind of you know
what Florida did last year and just say like, all right,
we're gonna ride with there are five star guy, he's

(36:11):
gonna be our guy next year. We might as well
get the most out of him. And we have a
great supporting cast, we have a great defense. All the
pressure in the world's not going to be on him,
So I think Kelon Russell is still in the mix there.
But like Joe said at the beginning, we're we're not
going to be buying low on Alabama anytime. I think
they're still good enough to win ten or eleven games
this season.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
So you're we can't buy low on them from a
Vegas standpoint. But I do think like the narrative out
there and the yeah about the SEC like it's Texas
and Georgia, and then I feel like the sexy team
is LSU, which I'm in on. I'm I'm falling right
for it. But I think all three of those teams
are getting talked about. Almost feels like Alabama's like, like

(36:50):
I know, Brandon Walker, bit barstool college football guy, he's
like saying they don't have a chance to make the playoffs.
He said he thinks that the board is gonna be
on the hot seat at the end of the year,
and he thinks they're gonna have no patience to wait
for his kind of thing. I don't think they're gonna
need any I think they're gonna be fine. Maybe this
is a dumb way to look at it. They have
like three five I don't know, like really really high

(37:13):
level prospects there and Simpson, Mac and Russell. Like, I
think one of them is gonna work out, like you
would hope, right if they're at Bama, Like it's the
Boor system. The guy's been an amazing offensive coach for
a really long time. He's won everywhere he's went, even
last year. I think they should have made the playoffs.
That's a whole other conversation. So like, I think they're

(37:34):
gonna be fine. Like I think they're very clearly a
top four team in the SEC. Right, I think there's
a very clear top four in the SEC to me,
and I think it's Texas, Georgia, Bama, and LSU whatever
order you want to tell me that those four are in.
I have all four of them at ten or eleven
wins making the playoffs, and they're thirteen and a half

(37:55):
point favorites for the opener against Florida State.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Now, I know nobody has too many, too much expectations
for Florida State, but I really don't. I yeah, seven
and a half sure, Okay, I'm seeing eight wins.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Okay, I'll run that number. I think, Yeah, that's great.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Right around, we know they're not gonna be as bad
as last year. We know that they're not gonna be
as bad as last year. To think you're only one
way they can go, so I'm gonna take the over
sleeping on the seminals. I like the coach. Again, they
were heavy in the off season portal. I think they
were top dogs as far as transfers are concerned. So
that's good. You have to get in there and just
completely junk it up, change everything. His job is on

(38:35):
the line essentially. I mean, I don't know what the
buyout is whatever, but it doesn't seem like that he
can go six and whatever and then return as the
head coach. But we'll see what happens. As far as
Florida State, Alabama though interesting conversation, as always one of
the top dogs, if not the top dog. After it's
all said and done, now let's hit the other side

(38:56):
of things and go over to the Big ten and
let's talk about Penn State and the expectations that the
Nitney Lions are bringing to the table. Because for my money, Joe,
for my money, and I'm gonna start with Mark Henry Jr.
On this one, but for my money, I think this
is the the the number one season that I can

(39:16):
remember in Penn State history with the expectations are what
they are. I know, look, hey man, speaking of there's
only one way to go, it's up. They did a
lot last year. It was a hell of a year.
Franklin's a hell of a recruiter. They got all the
right pieces back. Mister Phil still himself, I mean, just
swallowing all things Nitney Lions in this magazine. Maybe that's

(39:39):
why Mark Henry Jr. Doesn't really like it. But Mark,
I want to start with you on this one. When
I bring up Penn State and expectations, what do you
say to that?

Speaker 3 (39:51):
Marty, start with me, Yes, I thought you were starting
with Tansey.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
I apologize.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
I do not understand the narrative that they're the best
team in the country. I don't know what changed between
last year. I get that they added a couple of
transfer wide receivers. Guess who they lost Tyler Freakin Warren.
Like people are talking about this Penn State team like
they didn't lose a top five player in the country

(40:17):
on offense and the best player in the country on defense,
Abdul Carter was a game wrecker and we're all just assuming, Oh,
those defensive linemen who were pretty good around the highest
drafted defensive linemen in the last of my lifetime at
Penn State. Oh, they're just gonna be fine without Abdul Carter.
They're gonna be actually better and they're gonna progress. And
that's not how it works. Like Abdul Carter is a

(40:38):
special player and a transformative player on a defense. I
don't think you just and it's not like we're talking
about it. I get if you want to say, oh, well,
you can replace Tyler Warren. They didn't have good receivers.
Now they have good receivers, they have two good running backs.
Aler's gonna take another step. I can get there. I
can wrap my head around it. The way people are
talking about this Penn State defense like it's the best

(40:59):
defense in the country when they weren't the best events
in the country when they had Abdul Carter, it makes
absolutely no sense to me. Go listen to whatever podcasts
you want to listen to talk about how Penn State's
the best team in the country. The words Abdul Carter
and Tyler Warren don't even get mentioned. With Ohio State,
we're talking about all the guys they lost with Oregon.
You talk about the guys they lost with Georgia, with

(41:20):
whoever you want to say, Penn State, nobody brings it
up and we're just like, oh, Drew Aller, you know,
he totally completed a pass to a wide receiver in
the biggest game of his life last year, or wait, no,
he didn't. I just don't know what happened where people
watched that Notre Dame game in the playoff, where Notre Dame,
by the way, was missing like three of their six
best players in that game, and they came out and

(41:41):
they won the game, and it was because Aler couldn't
step up and couldn't win them the game. And I
don't know what changed from them to now. I am
dumbfounded by the way that people are talking about Penn State.
I think they're gonna go ten and two the same
way they did last year, where they don't beat anybody
of concert Wentz, they'll lose to Oregon, Ohio State, they'll

(42:02):
make the playoff, and maybe it'll be different this year
because the playoff will be formatted a little bit differently,
where they're not going to be handed, you know, the
two easiest teams in the playoff in their first two games, I.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
Can actually pretty come, I could pretty comfortably say Tyler
Warren is gonna.

Speaker 5 (42:16):
Be the bigger loss than Apple Carter.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Interesting inside the Penn State scheme because if you watch,
if you watch the way Penn State played last year,
there were times when Carter was out. Deny Deatas Sutton
is the real deal on the ed Rush as well.
Now look, I'm not saying he's abdole Carter, but they
have a five star who produced last year able to

(42:38):
take that that spot. You know, there's a lot of
buzzer around LaVar Arrington Junior, which that makes me feel
really really old. But I look at look at the
Penn State offense and yes, what we know what Aller
is good or bad? You know what Singleton and Allen
are at running back? Right, But the go to last
year and it wasn't just in the passing game, it

(43:01):
was in the running game or trick plays. It was
the break in case of emergency top Warren button. They
don't have that this year. And what's the biggest knock
that's been on Penn State for years and years and
years and this is I think it might even create
James Franklin is the inability to consistently have top tier

(43:22):
wide receivers, because that's been the biggest thing that let
them down this entire time. If Drew Aller has held one,
maybe half of Ohio State's top four receivers. Last year
they got the bad one, you know, and Julian Plumbing.

Speaker 5 (43:40):
But you take one of them and maybe that works.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
But when you look at the receivers that they brought
in in the portal, yes, in terms of stats and
where they come from, yeah, maybe they impress a little bit.
You have Devonte Ross from Troy, Trevor Penn from Syracuse,
and Kyrine Hudson from from USC. None of those guys
pop off the page at you and say those are

(44:07):
complete game breakers inside this offense. Now they could be right,
and and maybe the a few weeks down the line
we see after they beat up you know, three cupcakes
that okay, you can see how it works.

Speaker 5 (44:25):
And with Coto Nikki in.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
That offense, there were there were certain things where it
just it wasn't clicking completely last year. So there's no
there's no warrant this year. Who is the guy who
steps up and makes all of those plays for you.
Is it guys that just fill in behind him at

(44:49):
depth Titan?

Speaker 5 (44:50):
Probably not, at least right away.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Is it one of these veteran receivers that comes in
through the portal that people in State College are excited about?

Speaker 5 (44:58):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Possibly, But when you look at which player they're going
to miss more than more than the other, it's very
clearly they're going to miss Tyler Warren than abdol Carter.
Because I could see Deny Denis Sutton being a very
strong player for first team Big Ten.

Speaker 5 (45:17):
Most likely you have a built in replacement there receiver
tight end.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
It's kind of a big void that needs to be
filled and you've got four or five guys. But who's
that guy that's actually going to take over that void.
We don't know yet, and we won't know that until September.
So I think if from the Penn State side, that's
what I would be more concerned with. The defense. Defense
is going to figure itself out. The defense isn't Penn
State's issue in the long run. The issue in the

(45:45):
long run is can Durala deliver in a big game,
which he did not in the semi final. Can the
receiver play be better? It has to be.

Speaker 5 (45:54):
There's really not far you can go down.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
From what it's been. And can you place Tyler Warren
who was mister everything for them? And without Tyler Warren,
I mean, they're just an average Big ten team last year.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
Well, one last thing I want to kind of throw
out there, and they get killed for not winning the
big game, and I obviously that's a fair thing to
bring up. I think just as much on the flip
side of the coin, and I think this is part
of why people always pick Penn State in the preseason.
You're never gonna look that dumb picking Penn State to

(46:28):
make the playoffs, to go to the championship, even to
win it, because they're going to make the playoff. James
Franklin is a little bit like Notre Dame era Brian Kelly,
where they don't lose to the bad teams, Like they're
going to come out and they're going to beat every
team in every game that they're favored, and they're going
to go ten and two or nine and three at
almost a minimum, and they're going to struggle in those

(46:51):
big games. But I do think if I'm gonna you know,
I crapped on Penn State a little bit there, and
I crapped on, you know, the notion that they're the
number one team in the country. I have them in
the playoff and I have them number eight. When I
was doing my rankings, I put them eighth. I think
they're gonna go ten and two, But I do think
they do have to be celebrated a little bit for
not faltering in those spots.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Well, Beef, I'll give you the hang hang on, let's
get be in here. Let's get Beef going here. Because
he has said six words this whole time, hang on, Beef.
The thing is, with the expectations for this team ten
and two, what Mark just laid out, is that living
up to the hype in your mind? Or is it?

Speaker 4 (47:29):
No?

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Man, this is the next step where it's so tough,
because right we're looking at these championship games in a
different light this year. I would imagine we started last year.
I think that's only gonna be a little bit more
drastic this year. Again, we'll see how that one plays out.
Is winning the Big ten enough? Yes, I know seeding
and all that plays into it, and that's got to
be a goal. But ten and two, say they slip

(47:52):
up the Oaho State and say they lose to Oregon
one time there, but they make the playoffs and maybe
make a championship game. Is that living up to the hype?
Where's the bar set for you when it comes to
Penn State this year, Beef?

Speaker 4 (48:05):
I think that the expectation for for them the fan base,
Like I said to you the other day, if not
this year, you know, then when you know, this was
kind of the year that they were building towards. I
think that they were still counting on potentially Tyler Warren
and Abdol Carter still being on campus. But they have
al or they have the running backs back. But you
can kind of look at it like last season with
Ohio State, like could you say that they lived up

(48:27):
to the hype? They win ten and two in the
regular season, they lose to Michigan, they don't even win
the Big Ten, but then they go on to win
the national title. I do the you know, isn't that
the biggest goal? Like if Penn Sate just gets into
the dance and kind of figures out from there, win
the national title. But you don't win the Big Ten
and you lose your two regular season games to Oregon
and Ohio State, you know, I still think Penn SA

(48:47):
fans would consider that a successful season.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
I just I think he's totally right. It's all about
the playoff. Now, it's just ten and two, eleven and one,
twelve and zero. It might not matter if you go
in the playoff and you don't win a big game.
The one I will say, honestly, the one part of
me thinks if they just go eleven and one and
be either of Oregon or Ohio State, you'll at least
be really happy going into the playoffs, like, go win

(49:11):
a big game. If you go beat Oregon or house State,
thinking what we think they're going to be in the preseason,
then that almost feels like a little bit of a
success to me. But I understand that their their hopes
of the national championship. And the one thing I'll say
to Beef saying, if not now, then when I was
saying that last year, last year was it when you

(49:32):
had Warren, you had Carter Alarb was gonna be there
this year? And last year like I think, and you
had SMU and Boise State in your first two games,
you had Notre Dame in the final four. Not I mean,
I'm not gonna sit here and tell you Notre Dame
was a special team last year. They had a running
back playing quarterback and they made the national championship and
beat Penn State. I don't know, especially now that the

(49:55):
playoff format is you know, tworked with that's not the
right word, but and now that that's been jumbled up,
we're just gonna do that every year, I guess, and
change the playoff for him and the way we decided
champion because that's fun. But I think that they're never
going to get a path like they got last year.
And I don't think that the team is appreciably better

(50:15):
than it was last year. So I hear a lot
and that's not a beat. Everybody's saying some version of that,
like this is the best Penn State team we've seen,
and this is the year that they break through. I
was I was the idiot saying all that last year.
So I just feel like I've done this, I guess already.

Speaker 4 (50:32):
I think there's a lot of parallels with them with
the last two national champions just with like Michigan fell short,
they're able to bring everyone back with nil and stuff.
Then they make that push the national title the highest
state the same thing last year, their big thing was retention.
Will Howard comes in for Kyle McCord This year, I
think Penn State brings a lot back. You touched on
it to you know, first round draft picks you are

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walking out the door. But James Franklin, the greatest thing
I think that he does is his recruiting and we've
got a bunch of guys ready to roll on their
next And if and if, like the word is if,
I think with Pennsman that biggest word with them. But
if Drew Aller takes a step and becomes what everyone
has always expected him to become, there's no reason that
this team shouldn't be, you know, going into the beginning

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of the season as the number one team maybe even
in the entire country.

Speaker 5 (51:20):
He the wide wide receivers.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
It's not Drew Aller this year, it's it's the talent
he has to throw to is the biggest key. We
we know he can, we know what we basically know
at this point what Drew Allery is. And if he
steps up and plays better in a big game, that's awesome.
But you have to be you have to look at
that offense last year and if they're bringing everybody back
except Warren. That wide receiver corps was was awful.

Speaker 5 (51:45):
It's just straight out awful for a team of that cavern.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Again, the transfer portal additions could be the you know,
they're not household names, but if they work, it becomes
a whole different situation. And then if one of the
tight ends takes a step up and gets what half
the three quarters of Warren's production, that fits. But you
can be as good a quarterback as you want to be,

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but if you're throwing the ball, then nobody's you know,
how far how are you taking it?

Speaker 3 (52:15):
He's a great recruiter, but Carter and Warren are the
two best players he's had since Saquon, Right, Like, do
we have anybody that comes to my mind in Saquon
that are better than Carter or Warren? Like those aren't
just like first round picks like Joey Porter Junior, or
he might not even have a better first round pick. Actually,
I think he might have went in the seconds, second round.
Carter and Warren, I think the thing I keep hammering, like,

(52:38):
I think those guys are special. Like I think Carter's
one of the best pass rushers we've seen in the
last decade. In college football. I think Warren and Valors
are the two best tight ends and Pitts are the
three best college tight ends I can remember in the
last ten to fifteen years. Like I think that those
are are special dudes.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
And Penn States of minus four against Oregon because it's
a white out game, Oh yeah, the one game, and
that will be Dante Moore's first legitimate rotest. I don't
count at Northwestern as a way.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Mark, are you saying you're you'll take the Ducks plus
the four right here on July to twenty third, Ducks twelve.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
And h is what I'll tell you right here. The
Ducks are going twelve and oh and going to the
Big Ten Championship.

Speaker 5 (53:17):
I feel the Mark Henry Mark, Henry is on the quack.
I feel the way about Orgon.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
I think they're over unders like ten and a half.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
But I feel the.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
Way about Oregon that everybody else I feel like feels
about Penn State, like bringing back Evan Stewart, bringing back
all these guys. On defense, Dan Lanning hasn't hasn't gotten
over the top. But if I'm making a bet between
Dan Lanning and James Franklin on the guy that I
think is gonna get over the top eventually. I'll take
Dan Lanning ten out of ten times. And I'm high
on Dante Moore, Like, I actually liked that he was

(53:46):
there all of last year and sat behind Gabriel, learned
the system, and now he's coming in. It's not like
a transfer where he's crash coursing, you know, through the offseason.
I think Dante Moore he was a huge he was
he was like the number one quarterback prospect of his class,
and he went to u c l A, learned under
Chip a little bit, transferred out of there, Like, I

(54:07):
think he's had a little bit of a football education
in a way that a lot of college guys don't
get in high level prospects. They he played a little
at EUCLA. But I'm really high on Dantean Moore. I
talked about Makay Hughes. I love Evan Stewart. I think
he's one of the five to seven best receivers in
the country. I'm all in on Oregon there might pick
to win the title right now.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
On the on the Quack, as Joe Tansey said, I
like that nice work there on Joe all Right, good
stuff on everything there we'll close up shop here. Excellent
episode one Summer School All Things College Football crash Course
Joe Tansey, Ryan beef Coyle, Mark Hevery Junior. I am
Sean Brace. Got a little two minute drill to get

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the juices going on the way out. And again, like
you said, Mark, you haven't really dove too deep into
some of the things, so you know, just to have
some fun with this one. But coming in to this year,
let's go ahead and look back at what took place
last year and have a little bit of a comparisons. Right,
Let's play the comp game. So with that being said,

(55:11):
I'll start with Beef on this one. We'll go around
to Horn on each try and keep it quick, all right,
this year's Indiana, Ryan beef Coyle, Who you got? Do
you have a team that you think will be this
year's Indiana from last year?

Speaker 5 (55:23):
Fighting a line?

Speaker 4 (55:24):
I I think they won ten games last year, but
I think if you went up to you know, a
casual college football watcher, they would probably tell you Illinois
won five or six games. Return their starting quarterback, lug Aaltemyer.
They returned. I think it's almost like eighteen or nineteen starters.
Brett Belama continues to build that program. I think we
could look up, you know, five six weeks into the season,

(55:45):
and that's a top ten team, and everyone's like, what
the hell Illinois drank in the top ten in college football?
That surprises me. So give me Illinois.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
There, Joe Baylor Baylor, he says, why.

Speaker 5 (55:57):
So, Robinson very good quarterback.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
The Big twelve is wide open, and the Big twelve
will tell you the Big twelve is wide open.

Speaker 5 (56:05):
We saw that last year.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
You have a polished quarterback now and Robertson, who you know,
can put up points. You can if you can hold
teams to what twenty four to twenty eight per game
in the Big twelve, your living life pretty easily. I
think Baylor comes back into a little bit of the
national conversation this year.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
Baylor was my pick too, but I'll switch it up
and go with another team in Texas from the Big twelve.
Give me TCU. Their win to it is only six
and a half. They're kind of the original Indiana. They
did this a couple of years ago out of nowhere
and made that run. Maybe they can find some magic again.
They've got to figure out some stuff on defense to
go that far. I'm more so just like the win

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total six and a half and I'm trying to go
off the board. I'll go with TCU.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
All right, mark back to you and let's go ahead.
And you know where I'm going with the next one,
this year's Boise Who's this year's Boise of course? Boys,
you made the playoff Mountain West champion twelve and two
season last year. Hell of a run, of course with
Ashton Genty leading to charge. Can't wait to see him
on Sundays. But do you have a team that comes

(57:09):
to mind that you think will be this year's Boise State?

Speaker 3 (57:13):
So I don't think. I actually think something we're gonna
realize is last year is Boise State was like one
of the better G five teams you'll get. Like, I
don't think we're gonna get a team like Boise at
as that G five playoff team for the next couple
of years. Like I gent was a special guy. I
don't think most teams are gonna have a guy like that.
Give me a shot in the dark, and it's gonna

(57:34):
be tough for them because they have to go to Boise.
They have a game with UCLA. Dan Mullen, I'm a
Dan Mullen guy. I think it's a joke. He didn't
get a power for a job over the last couple
of years. He's going to UNLV. I think he's an
offensive masterman. He doesn't have a He's got Orgy from
Michigan and Calandria from Virginia. They're in a quarterback battle
they both had. Orgie is a good runner a Kalandria

(57:56):
is Jameis Winstony where he really chucks all over the field.
He can throw some picks, but.

Speaker 5 (58:01):
He can insult the Jamis Winston. Yeah, it might be.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
He can make some exciting stuff happen, But we did
watch those guys at higher levels, like Orgy was at Michigan. Uh.
Calandria was in a pretty bad situation in the ACC
with Tony Elliott. Young guy out there on a higher level.
You drop down a level to UNLV, to the G five.
I do think, especially with Dan Mullen, whoever wins that job,
I think is going to look a lot better than

(58:25):
how we've seen them before. He did a lot in
the Transfer Portal. UNLV is trying to spend some money
to get relevant under Dan Mullen. Dan Mullen's trying to
get whatever that next job is going to be after UNLV.
I think they have a big ten and two, eleven
and one type year. I don't know if that's enough
to overcome Boys, to be honest, to make that playoff spot,
but I.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Would roll the dice on da beef.

Speaker 5 (58:48):
I'll go with Navy.

Speaker 4 (58:49):
I think looking at their schedule, they're going to be
favored in eleven of their twelve games. They play Notre Dame.
That's the only game they won't be favored in. They
also go to Memphis. It remains what we've seen, but
maybe right now I think to win the Americans sit
in there at plus three eighty Blake quarterback back at quarterback,
the quarterback from last year, and if you remember last year,
they were kind of in that G five playoff discussion.

(59:11):
They yeah, stretch, but it's a tough team to prepare
for every single week. I could see them going eleven
and one and being right there in the American Title game,
and that's all you need. Have a seat at the
table there pretty much.

Speaker 5 (59:24):
Tansy Texas state their fun.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
They score a ton of points, they don't play a lot,
they don't play a lot of defense, and former Eagles
quarterback GJ. Kinney will be getting a promotion somewhere in
the G five after this season.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
Oh man, I'll tell you what, how many games did
we see them play last year on national TV? It
was a ton? That was a ton? All right, Joe,
back to you, and look, you can have fun with this.
It doesn't have to be exactly top ten. But last
year what Florida State did was pretty impressive. Matter of fact,
the South stat earlier today, it's like literally only four
teams began to seize and with ranked in the top

(01:00:01):
ten and then finished with only two wins. So give
me a top ten, top fifteen S team that you
think could be a disaster when two to three wins.

Speaker 5 (01:00:14):
I'm just gonna go, I don't know if it's gonna
be that bad, But Miami.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
We've a bad enough.

Speaker 5 (01:00:19):
Yeah, we've we've ragged on Miami enough. I just don't
see it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
With chrissen Beck, Okay, that's a good answer, Mark Henry Jr.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
Was what was the terming of that? Again?

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
You just give me a team from the top ten,
top fifteen that's gonna be an extreme disappointment. I'm talking
Florida State esque with only two wins last year, they
were ranked in the top ten. It's only happened a
few times in college football history.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
I don't think, yeah, I don't think they'll drop back
this far. But give me, give me one of old
mister Tennessee. I feel like they're being included with that
big group. I think one of old mister Tennessee is
in for a rough year. I think last year Olmoss
had the favorable schedule, you had an experienced team. They
really beefed up the lines. You look at how many

(01:01:04):
linemen Ole Miss had drafted. That's a lot to replace
there for a team that we're not talking about Alabama
or one of those teams that just grows those guys
on a tree. And then Tennessee, I think the Nico
thing is just like the worst thing to happen for
all parties like that. You're talking about a guy who
got to play young, and Brace said earlier like he
had a rough game against the Hot State. He was

(01:01:24):
eighteen and it was his last game of the year.
They went ten to two. They had a good year.
I know he wasn't what we hoped and he didn't
explode onto the scene, and they really babied him, especially
down the stretch, but you would hope you would have
taken a leap staying in what I think is one
of the best systems in college football. And Josh Hipel
and he leaves and they don't have a replacement for him,

(01:01:45):
He's gonna be worse off. They're gonna be worse off.
I could see the Tennessee situation really taking a dive.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
All right, and then finally Beef.

Speaker 4 (01:01:54):
Tennessee was my pick. I think they're they're gonna fall
off the map a bit this year. If you make
me take another team, I'll stick in the SEC with Oklahoma.
I think they're one of the teams with the highest seal,
one of the highest ceilings, but one of the lowest
floors because they have such a tough schedule, and I
think they're going to be so dependent on John Mattier
making that leap. And I'm a fan. I think he's
gonna be really good. But I think it's more likely

(01:02:16):
that team is like a six and six, seven and
five than like a nine and three or a ten
and two, which you know the expectation should be at Oklahoma.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
So Oklahoma, but Washington State quarterback one year league.

Speaker 4 (01:02:31):
Yeah, could have got cam Moore.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
All right, we'll close up shop on this one two
minute drill. Week one upset beef back to you again.
Week one and Week zero if you want to include
that as well. Week zero only four or five games,
but Week one, which is a great, great slate of
games from Thursday all the way through Monday. Let's go.
But give me one upset that you're eyeing up. And
of course that's off of Florida State last year with

(01:02:56):
the debacle that did take place over there in Ireland
losing to Navy as a I forget what the spread
was that, but it was a big time number. Give
me one week one upset that you have your eye on.

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
Yeah, not a ton of outright upsets that I like
that are like double digit as with a smaller one
that I like. And it's a team that Joe and
Marque have both talked about. Baylor. They host Auburn Week one.
That's a Friday night game. I believe Auburn new quarterback
coming in a lot of pressure this year on Hugh Freeze.

(01:03:28):
That's another team that is going to be Jekyll and Hyde.
I think could win, you know, eight or nine games.
Or could win three or four games. It a lot
remains to be seen, and Baylor a lot of expectations
this year. You are one of the teams favored in
the Big twelve. You get that, you get Auburn, you know,
coming to your place. I like Baylor to win that
one as an underdog at home there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Actually, Florida State was a ten point favorite in that
Week one matchup or Week zero matchup against Georgia Tech,
and they ended up losing twenty four to twenty one.
Of course, on that field goal, Joe Tansey, give us
one upset. You have your eye on.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
Skock out right against South Carolina neutral field on Sunday.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
That neutral field, I didn't know that.

Speaker 5 (01:04:05):
In Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Kyin Jones eventually has to live the LPE right and
look South Carolina. I get it, I'll get the seller's hype.
I just don't know about everything else around him. I
feel like that it might be too big of a number,
especially being a neutral Syche game. If that game is

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in Columbia, that makes a big difference for me.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
Mark Ever, I was gonna go Baylor again, keep getting
stolen all my Baylor love, but I'll go with LSU.
Give me l s U. They got death value immunity.
Because they have death value at at home, they get
to go in the Clemson I just think if we're
going NUS Myercaid, I think those are kind of like
guys who are being ranked is maybe the top two

(01:04:54):
quarterbacks in the country on some list. Give me give
me Nus over Caid. Caid was great closed last year.
Clemson's another team like Penn State. I kind of think
they're getting a little little too much smoke blown up
their butts a little bit. Like I think Clemson's of
a legit playoff contender. I do not think they're like

(01:05:14):
a national title contender, and I think people are putting
them up there now with Texas and Oregon, Ohio State,
Penn State, Notre Dame. I don't think they're in that
class personally. I think they're that next tier down with
the Louisville's in the Kansas State's and Arizona States and Texas,
A and M's that kind of like Indiana, that next

(01:05:35):
tier down that I don't think they're quite in that tier.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
Three and a half point spread Clemson and Clemson and
LSU there. So that's something to keep our eye on.
On that one and then finally we'll close up shot
with this. We're shout out mikey P has been hanging
with us. Full show here. He looks Northwestern over to lane.
I'm not even gonna attempt it is you?

Speaker 5 (01:05:58):
Is red Stift playing week one?

Speaker 4 (01:06:01):
I assume, so Preston Stone in Northwestern too.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
It's a six and a half point spread. Six and
a half point spread. Uh, he likes Northwestern over Tu Lane.

Speaker 5 (01:06:11):
If Retz Left is able to play for two lane,
then I say no.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
But if Retz Left isn't playing, then I'll support that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
And what's the reason. Why is he hurt?

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
He No, he's the b YU guy that b YU
was gonna be suspended seven games. Yeah, he just transferred
to lane this week.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
And that carries over.

Speaker 5 (01:06:34):
No, he just violated the BYU honor.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
Coulde But okay, so he just walked on God yeah, y.

Speaker 5 (01:06:42):
He quit. He quit BYU and enrolled at TU Lane.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
Took me a second there to get it as usual.
It is late, though, and I can't thank you guys enough.
Getting the party started. Shout out to everybody I watch.
Of course, check it in mikey P. Great stuff there,
We'll be back next Wednesday doing it again, and I
think we're gonna be doing it Wednesdays from here on
out until we kick off like we did last year.
A lot to discuss and not things college football. Uh.
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