November 27, 2024 • 47 mins
The Big Brains of Fox Sports PHL Gambler - Joe Tansey, Ryan "BEEF" Coyle, and Mark Henry Jr. - dive into #RivalryWeek and the latest #CFP rankings!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Welcome on in two rivalry weeks. One of the best
weekends of the year in college football also got one
of the saddest because it's the last full slate in
college football every year. But you know what, it's pretty
juicy this year. We have the renewal of Texas and
Texas A and m Michigan Ohio State not maybe on
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the marquee, but it's gonna be juicy because Ohio State
actually needs to beat Michigan. That's a big deal with them.
You have the regular Shenanigans of the Egg Bowl, the
Iron Bowl, and then, of course, as we saw last week,
these things like to figure themselves out in college football.
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Will it figure itself out even more? Is there another
upset maybe two, brewing in college football this week to
make the playoff picture either clearer or a little more chaotic,
Because there's a chance it could be more chaotic if
another upset happens. Let's start with though, with the rankings.
Ryan Beef, Coroyle, Marcoy Junior, Joe Tansey all here with
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you to break Down Week fourteen, more effectionate known as
Rivalry Week. You guys have any major takeaways from the
playoff rankings.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Mine was when I was talking with Brace yesterday. Mine
kind of is Georgia and does like a third loss
potentially in the SEC title game get used against them.
I was expecting Georgia to maybe be like six or seven.
I still think when you're in like that eight to
nine game, are you one hundred percent in? I think
that's been one of the main things I've been curious
about this season, whether or not a team that gets
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to the SEC title game or the Big ten title
game and if they have two losses and if they
pick up a third, is that used against them or
is that kind of just pushed to the side because
they're playing.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
An extra game than everyone.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
But with George Is sitting there at the eighth spot,
if they lose in the SEC title game, would they
be out?
Speaker 3 (02:23):
And that would be a major talking point.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
If a one loss Indiana or a one loss Notre
Dame or one lost Penn State with not as many
quality wins, for sure, as Georgia got in over them,
and Georgia just was out because they had three losses.
That's something that I'm gonna be definitely keeping my eye
on over the next week as they go because they're
already penciled into the title game there.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
I don't think that Thankee will let a two loss
SEC team that loses in the SEC title game get
penalized for it. I think that they'll be fine. And
that's kind of my big takeaway from It's less about
the rankings and more from last weekend. It's just then
we thought that they're there was, you know, twelve chairs
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for sixteen people, and now we're like, there's twelve chairs
for like eleven people. Like you kind of have to
stretch whoever you're gonna make that last team to be.
I think let's say, you know, I don't want to
give too many hypotheticals, but let's say that the favored
results happen this weekend. And I'm sure that there's one
or two that won't be that way, but let's say
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the favored results happen. They did put themselves in a
little bit of an Alabama corner where Clemson has put
at twelve. Here Clemson plays South Carolina and if SMU
and Miami holds, I don't know if either of them
are safe this weekend. But if SMU and Miami both
win and that's the ACC title game, and Clemson's left
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out sitting there at ten and two beating a South
Carolina team who they have sitting at fifteen. The committee
can't bump BAMA beating Auburn above Clemson if Clemson wins
this week. So that's where it's Clemson. BAM is a
huge Clemson fan or a huge South Carolina fan beating
Clemson because they have that head to head against South Carolina,
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they'll be if it's between the three loss SEC teams,
BAMA gets in. But I'm actually surprised they drop them
below Clemson because that's where they put them in a
little bit of a weird spot where I think we
were all expecting, oh, well, three losses, but we can't bout.
We can't count Bama out and you can't, but they
can't jump them in front of some of these teams
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who aren't gonna play.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I think they can do whatever the hell they want.
That's that's what I kind of look at it. I
look at it as I see Bama sitting there at
number thirteen, and they've got full license now to jump them,
whatever justification they want to use. I mean, look, these
rankings are what we're basing everything off of what we
assume the committee is going to do. Right, So you're
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right in everything you're saying about Clemson. What if there's
a situation where the committee just says, you know what,
that was last week. This week we feel different about
Alabama and we and looking at the entire kind of
who are the twelve best teams to get into the playoffs?
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You can make a case that Alabama is that over
clems it right, I mean, like, what is Clemson really
done to woo you? But to your point, Alabama should
have been over Clemson in the first place.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Andrere on mute Mark, I think I read it myself.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
I don't know what happened, but Bama they could have
if they were going to make that case. I think
they had to make it this week before dropping them behind.
They can't put thirteen above twelve. If twelve beats fifteen,
that that's kind of the issue. I think where it
comes where it becomes interesting is that ACC title game loser.
And by the way we'll get to it, I think
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Clemson loses this week, So I actually don't think that
that's gonna that's gonna be a big factor in this
whole race. But just wanted to point that out because
they're sitting there at twelve. The big Let's say Clemson wins.
The big thing, it's gonna be an interesting kind of
debate is let's say Miami beats SMU in the ACC
title game. You have two teams that you can take
out of eleven and two SMU, ten and two Clemson
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and nine and three Bama. That's where if you have
two of the ACC teams, I can see you kind
of making the case, Well, SMU just lost in the
ACC title game. They didn't play a good schedule before
they got there. That's the team that I think is
the most endanger right now. It's whoever loses that ACC
title game. I think the fun the more fun conversation
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is who can withstand the loss? You said, Ohio State,
if they lost to Michigan, it would matter, would it?
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Wait, they wouldn't have to play.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Organ Yeah, when Penn Saco in that situation, are Indiana?
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I think it's Indiana. I could be wrong. I thought
I saw something saying that it was Indiana.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah, because just because Both of both losses for Indiana
and Penn.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
State are to Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
But that's where he really start to get into the
the nitty gritty and the weeds there.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
And if you want to, if you want a Homer
question here, and I've been the one putting my hand
up saying I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I know it's Penn State, then Indiana.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
That's okay, it's Penn State.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Okay, Penn State. Penn State's in with winning, Ohio State lost,
Indiana needs to win and both to lose.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Okay, Okay. So with Notre Dame, who's sitting there at
number five, I was hoping, you know, the committee put
an army at nineteen. I was hoping maybe that would
be enough to jump Penn State. And it looked like
the committee is like, well, we kind of had to
put army there. We don't think they're actually any good.
But is there a case that if Notre Dame loses
a close game at USC that they still get in.
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I can't believe I'm even asking that question, But does
you know a ten and two Clemson get in over
ten and to Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I think the question is and it's not just for
Notre Dame. What's the cushion for teams two through six?
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Yeah, that's that's kind of I think the most interesting
debate right now.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Because the cushion for Indiana. Now they were helped out
a lot by Bama and all mislosing, but the cushion
for Indiana was number ten. So I would have to
think those teams are in because there's still they would
still only be two lost teams, right, I think that's
I guess maybe the way that the committee deciphers it all.
But if you look at the opponents these teams are playing, though,
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Texas can withstand it because they're playing A and M
I think that's and they're an SEC team. I think
they're Penn State. It's not losing to Maryland, no, so
we don't have to worry about that. They're in. Uh,
Miami looks Syracuse is frisky, is one hundred psy and
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in this in this game, Miami could absolutely take the
foot off the pedal here.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
I think they're I think that's where the line is.
The line is either above or below Notre Dame. Like
I don't think Miami can get it with the loss
of Syracuse regardless, and they'll be kicked out of the
A SEC title game. They will just that, They'll just
say SMU and Clemson are the only teams we're looking
at it in the ACC. So I do think that's
where the line is. I think Georgia can lose in
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the SEC title game. Obviously Tennessee can't lose to Vandy,
So that's obviously where it stops there. But I do
think there's a debate, and it just comes down to
how much recency bias plays in for the committee. With
Notre Dame, I think that's a chance Notre Dame could
lose to USC and still get in. And I would
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be the first person to tell you that. I don't
know if they deserve to if that would be the case,
But if you compare the resume of Clemson and Notre Dame,
if Notre Dame were to lose, Notre Dame probably as
the best win out of that. With Texas A and M,
they might finish eighty four. Now who knows, but it's
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it's up for debate. At least that would be an
interesting debate.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I think the wildest thing is too. I think since
the rankings started coming out, you've had Oregon, you've had
Texas and you've had Miami all in there in the
by spots. We could get to next weekend and those
all three of those teams could lose potentially in the
title game and they could all be out of the
bi completely. You could have Ohio State, you could have SMU,
and you could have Georgia in the bye So it's
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week to week.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
It's nice to talk about with with the bracket and
the rankings coming out, but those three teams could all
be right out of that spot pretty easily. I think
we could all see a scenario where they all potentially
losing their conference title games.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Well would you rather be the one of the five seed?
That's kind of the interesting thing with this whole Ohio
State Oregon thing. And I guess another question. If Ohio
State goes and loses a close Big Ten title game
to Oregon, are they sitting at the five seeds still?
Because are you gonna have Penn State at eleven and
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one jump eleven in two Ohio State when Ohio State
beat Penn State in their house, so you're gonna have
Notre to aim if they were eleven and one jump,
they can't have Notre Dame jump well, but it's hard
to do that after you put Penn State above Notre
Dame this week.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
That's why where they have Ohio State already at two,
they've got it. They've had Ohio State pretty much at
number two, right there behind Oregon this whole time as well.
So kind of just goes to show you what the
committee thinks of Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Loses a blowout to Oregon if they get a blowout,
because I think that's that's the more intriguing question is
we know they've they can play them close. They've played
them close already. But what happens if Oregon, who's kind
of just been sitting there right sitting there at number one,
kind of mining their own business beating teams they should beat.
What happens if they just go into Indianapolis beat Ohio
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State by thirty? I don't think it will, but or
what if the other way around happens?
Speaker 4 (11:54):
The other way around? I still think Oregon would get
the best. I think Oregon would be fine, I think,
and could lose the Big Ten title game by forty
and they would probably drop to like two, as weird
as that is, just because they had they beat Ohio
State and Ohio State would then be one. I think
that Oregon would be fine. That's like probably what the
Big Pen wants more than anything.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
The Big ten State, which might be your four seed.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Exactly, and Arizona State, which might be your twelve or
Iowa State shout out Nick McClay. But I think that
there's a good chance that the Big Ten is like
dying to have Ohio State when a close game against Oregon,
you put Ohio State as the one seed, and you
put Oregon as the five seed, and you hope, you know,
they'll face each other in the final four. But yeah,
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it's it's definitely interesting, the whole the cushion conversation, right
with some of these teams.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
One The one thing though, I will say, though we cannot,
we absolutely cannot have Big ten versus Big ten versus
SEC in the first round. It's if it's the entire
purpose of a twelve team playoff, like you can, you
can maneuver it. I really don't care if between Georgia
and Tennessee, who's where, as long as they don't play
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each other in what say, like an eight nine game
like that. That more infuriates me.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Because there's gonna be two ACC teams, so there'll be
an ACC autobid most likely. Most likely the ACC is
getting at least two teams in. So let's say this
is an ACC team and there's Notre Dame. That gives
you two out of four that can't be Big ten, Big.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Ten or and the Big twelve champ.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
So well, yeah, they'll probably either And yeah, you're right
that they could be the twelve now that I'm saying that, Yeah,
so you're right, you're actually that that's probably three of
them right there that take care of each other. It
might only take like one week just bumping Tennessee for
Indiana one spot or whatever the case.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Maybe they order if Penn State, Indiana, Georgia, Tennessee won't
matter as much to me. If they can make it
SEC versus Big ten in like those four teams. If
it plays out that way, I agree.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
The interesting thing is I saw people complaining that it
can't be this way because Ohio State and Oregon are
clearly the two best teams in the country, which I
don't know if we know that to be the case.
I think we can assume that, but I don't know
if that's true. But they won't Probably they probably won't
be able to face each other in the national championship
because of how it's gonna play out. It's probably gonna
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be one is the one seed and one's the five seed,
so they would match up in the semi finals of
the quarterfinals, however that breaks out. But it's how many
before we kind of move on to this week? How
many how many teams do you guys think can win
the title? Right now?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Four?
Speaker 4 (14:39):
I have four too. I think we probably will have
a different fourth team.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Who are your four?
Speaker 4 (14:47):
My four are? Ever? I think we're all gonna say
Ohio State, Oregon, Georgia. Am I wrong? And then I
would go Tennessee. I do think Tennessee has the defense.
In the running game. Nico's the big question mark there, obviously,
and there's reasons to be kind of questioning that offense
in the past, only not the offense, the passing game.
But you look at what Dylan Samsony's probably the second
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best running back in the country potentially, and the defense
is top five in the country. I think they can
ground and pound their way to a nice little run.
It would be the fourth team, but by a wide margin.
I snagged them at fifty to one. As Ole miss
was losing in the final minutes there. That's all the
way down to twenty to one. So I'm pretty hyped
up on the volunteers right now. I can't see anybody else.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
I have those four as well, I would throw.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
If we're throwing a long shot, I guess or not
one of those four I could see, notre name, just
the way that they've been playing. Well, we'll see this
weekend what happens. But I honestly could Mark. I've been
saying it for since the Northern Illinois game.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
I know you have. You both were sitting here on
this show after that and I was yelling at you
like we're talking about the playoffs, like joking, like I
can't believe we're sitting here. I don't think right that
it's a good enough quarterback for them.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
But they've just steamrolled anything in sight.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
It could be the Indiana kind of factor that maybe
they haven't really been playing anyone, but it's definitely been
a different team we can say since Northern Illinois. Uh,
they're they're in the same boat as Tennessee though. They
just all they got to do is win this weekend.
It could be by one, it could be by one hundred.
Just win and get in and then figure it out
from there, because you know they could get a solid drawl.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Like all right, just say Texas.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Does wind up winning the SEC and Notre Dames in
that like seven to ten game. You're telling me you're
gonna be scared of Notre Dame versus Texas on a
neutral Like, I'll take my chances in that game.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Your your one game there away from the final four.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
I have my blue and white colored glasses on. I
think ben State needs to be including that conversation as well,
that the defense is legit. Say what do you want
about the play calling in the Ohio State game? It
was poor, There's no doubt about that. But their defense
is national championship caliber.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
The same defens It just gave up twenty five to
Minnesota that game.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Same defense this week, same defense. I still think they
with the talent they have and the experience they have
a quarterback, and look, we haven't seen at least I
don't think the full extent of the Nick Singleton k
Tron Allen combination either. I think they've they've been saving
that and understandably so for these these last few weeks
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and for the Playoff. I still think they're they're capable
of doing it. So I would say Oregon, Ohio State,
penn State, Georgia because they've won it recently and they
have a coach. They've one of the two coaches who
has a job still that has won a national championship.
And I'll throw Texas in there as well. I think
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they're They're definitely part of the conversation. They've been pretty
consistent all year. But then I don't know. I have
my doubts about Notre Dame. I definitely have my doubts
about Miami, especially with their defense. You can sell me
on Tennessee's defense. I don't know if I can can
completely buy into a freshman quarterback winning the Natty. It's possible,
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It's definitely can happen. Uh, But I think to me
that's the knock. And then SMU's the dark horse here. Guys.
They they figured out their quarterback situation that they put
the right guy in in about week what three or four?
Kevin Jennings. I know they played Virginia last week, but
the defense is starting to look really legit too, and
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that's coming together. I think they're gonna beat Miami and
win the ACC. It's just a matter of what their
matchup is. But I think SMU, I'm not ready to
put them in that list of contenders yet, but they're
they're They're definitely hovering around the conversation.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
I don't think I wouldn't put them in that yet
on that tire, But I again, Texas is the interesting
one where I could maybe be suaded, but I just
feel like I haven't seen enough yet.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
From it, and I still don't trust Sark in a
big spot.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Yeah, that's a big spot. Saw the Georgia game, the
panic there.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I think, you know, they were getting outplayed any panicked
and put in arch and it just seems like weren't
able to respond to that last year in the playoff
against Washington. If they get a team that is able
to kind of air it out and pass the ball,
I think that's where they're really susceptible.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
We saw that last year, especially in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
But if they have to go up, just even if
they had to play like a Miami or something in
the final four, like I would take my I would
like Miami's chances in that one because of the offense.
But when we were talking, who do we think can
win Miami didn't even cross my mind. But I still
think Texas is. Texas is a team that has some
matchup issues and Sark and big spots hasn't proven it
to me. Last year was the first year he ever
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won ten games, and we've seen even in the NFL
situational stuff, he hasn't been that great.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
At and because of the way it feels a quarterback
plays down. I mean, obviously you're looking at the highs
one you have, you have Gent and you have I
don't know why I said in first you have Hunter
and then you have Gent before you even get to.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
A quarterback, but.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Yeah, and you have Dylan Gabriel, probably the best quarterback
in the country. But if Oregon doesn't go win the
National Championship, you're kind of looking at whoever wins the
Natties gonna have. I don't know if game manager is
fair to say, but like, the reason I'm kind of
maybe more willing to talk myself in on Tennessee this
year is because you don't have a team with that
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elite quarterback who's just gonna run through defenses. So if
Tennessee can get by on that defense in that running game,
like Ohio State Like I like Will Howard. I think
he's actually probably one of like the ten best quarterbacks
in the country, which probably says more about the top quarterbacks.
But he's not more than He's not like put you
on your back and win it for you. He kind
of win with him. Guy Quinn Yours, I don't know
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what he is.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
It feels like to play this weekend.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Yeah, it's it's weird whatever's going on there with Texas.
Aler's had his bad spots and big games. Riley Leonard
can't throw a fifteen yard out. He's you know, he's
amazing at running the ball, but he's got his issues
passing cam Ward. You can obviously cam Ward's probably the
best or second best guy in this conversation. Their defense
is disqualifying. I'm not even taking them seriously. Carson Beck
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has been not very good. I've read something about I
guess his receivers just aren't getting open at all. So
if you look at his from last year having McConkie
and Bowers going to this year having guys who they
just don't have a good unit at all, and he's
trying to make the plays happen instead of throwing it
to the guys who are making the plays happen and
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you're seeing him turn the ball over, maybe he can
have a nice run in the playoffs where he's developed
throughout the year, they've had a brutal schedule, so maybe
he's more than a game manager. Nico, you're just asking
to be a game manager. But it's like the lack
of elite quarterback play really does open things up.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
I'll use this as a question to kind of go
into the weekend. If we're not talking about elite quarterback play,
because I don't think we are, and none of these
guys have NFL like superstar potential at this point. Is
it the best supporting cast? Then whoever has the most
elite supporting cast around them? For example, Ohio State with
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their two running backs at Buca Smith or is it
Penn State with Tyler Warren the two running backs receivers lacking,
but Oregon they still have the tight end receiver or
tight end running backs Oregon, same thing. I think that
might be the difference maker this year instead of just
straight up quarterback plays, who is the quarterback getting the
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ball to and then if you if you qualify it
that way, Ohio State's the runaway favorite.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah, like that have too folks have them at plus
two to fifty right now.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I think Oregon's like plus four hundred.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
I was gonna ask you guys, because I actually if
you made me, you know, gun to my head and
make a pick right now, who's winning the Natty? I
think I'm still picking Oregon, like I'm taking.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Over, not because of the way the bracket is right now.
It's like, Okay, Oregon, here's your gift for being the
number one team going undefeated winning the Big Ten. You
get Georgia or Tennessee on a neutral Like, I'm not
gonna like that matchup.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Over what Ohio State has right now in their path.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
I think they're most likely to be the five. Like
I think Ohio State is gonna be like a touchdown
favor in that a Big Ten championship against the Oregon.
Maybe that's a little high, Maybe it's more like a
field goal. I think it'll probably be in between a
field goal and a touchdown, something in that range, And
so most likely Ohio State gets that one. And then
if you're Oregon sitting at the five, I guess I
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kind of feel like Oregon will either be the one
or the five and if that's the case, I don't
feel bad about betting Oregon right now. I think I
saw four fifty out there, so I still kind of
lean with Oregon being the best team in the country,
even though Ohio State is probably slightly better supporting cast,
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but Oregon's got an NFL does I would say NBA guys,
NFL guys all over the field, and you've got two
guys at receiver. I think they have the most underrated
player in the country with James at running back. He
feels like no one even talks about him when they
bring Oregon up. And they've got dudes on the defensive
line there at Oregon. Dan Lannings kind of brought the
sec there to them, So I'm kind of buying all
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the stock on Oregon I can get, and I know
I'm gonna end up betting them as a big dog
in that Ohio State game. Not a big dog, but
whatever they are in that big fench championship, even though
it's kind of going against what I'm saying that they'd
be better off as the five seed. But maybe if
you don't think Oregon's gonna beat Ohio State, but you
think they can win the Natty. You wait until after
the Big Ten Championship, their odds will drop even though
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they get a better seed at being a five. But
interesting stuff.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
If Ohio State wins by twenty one, which is covering
the spread this weekend, they're winning the title. Okay, I'll
just keep I'll keep it at that. And the reason
why I say that is what was Ohio State's goal
at the start of the year. Right think back to
the bowl game against miss I believe it was. They
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were awful. It feel like everybody quit. They didn't have
a quarterback. They were just hoping and praying to get
through sixty minutes. And that the big thing last year
after that happened was and after losing to Michigan, was
we have to get better. Our goal is the national Championship.
Our goal is is beating Michigan. Beating Penn State is
great for Ohio State. Doesn't really matter much. Beating Indiana,
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you know that the all the talking they did after
the game, Will Howard, you know, putting out the sig.
That's fine, but Indiana it doesn't matter to Ohio State.
What matters is Michigan winning the Big Ten Championship and
winning a National Championship. So if they come out and
beat Michigan, regardless of what the spread says, if they
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beat them in the manner in which they're expected to
and then some it shows me that they've kind of
turned the switch into championship mode. Because remember a lot
of these guys haven't beaten Mission at all in their careers.
So there's three milestones that they have this season. Beat Michigan,
win the Big Ten championship, and win the Natty. If
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the game's close against Michigan, I'll be worried because Michigan,
although they've improved, shouldn't be competing with Ohio State. Ohio
State wins this game by twenty one plus, I think
they're going on to win the title. They're completely focused,
killing every goal in sight. I really do think that's
the case.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, that twenty million dollar check that those boosters wrote,
they better damn crossed off at least two out of
those three right accomplishments, or that's a failed season. But
I agree, and do we want to transition into that
first because I really like Ohio State over them.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah, I'm taking them. I'm taking them to twenty and
a half.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Yeah, I think I mean I've heard a few different
people say that I'm right there with them, like they
have three years of pent up, built up frustration that
they're able to take out at home against a much
inferior Michigan team. When you look at Michigan, the de
is okay, but they're not going to be able to
move the ball I think at all on this Ohio
State offense. And the thing that annoys me the most
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about this rivalry and Joe, I know you said, like
the players, some of these players have never beaten Michigan,
But for my entire life pretty much, Ohio State has
dominated this rivalry. They won eight in a row before
Michigan has won these last three. Like there's such a
narrative out there right now, and I know it's because
of Ryan Day, but Ohio State has dominated this rivalry
since the two thousands pretty much, and the early two
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thousands and since then this has been Ohio States rivalry.
Michigan's got them the past three years, but even like
last year, Kyle McCord had a shot at the end
of the game, it's not like they've been dog walking
them up and down the field. Ohio State doesn't need
to get this done doesn't need to break through and
a little bit of a monkey off Rye Day's shoulder.
But I think that they win this one, and they
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win this one big and kind of dispel this narrative
because I'm going to take Ohio State as a football
program over Michigan in terms of their kind of long
term success.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
I'm taking them team touchdowns as well over three and
a half. I really do think they're gonna be able
to make a statement. I think they're scoring thirty five
to forty points very easily.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Yeah, I don't have a bet on this one. I
would lean Ohio State. It's just a lot of points.
I saw it. I think, like, I don't know if
it was an old line from earlier in the year.
I saw it was fifteen and a half, but I
was like, oh, I'll definitely take fifteen and a half,
and I feel like that almost like poisoned me. Once
I saw the number was actually twenty and a half,
I was like, well, it's a little higher than what
I was thinking initially, But so I'm laying off of it.
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But there's no way anyone should bets.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
No. I think this is an Ohio State bet and
an Ohio State bet only. Speaking of rivalries, this one
hasn't happened in thirteen years. Texas and Texas A and M.
Now you want to talk about rivalry week back in
the day, back in my day, when we had five
major conferences and things were right, Texas and Texas A
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and M was the rivalry. Thanksgiving weekend is the game
to pay attention to. There is a lot of pend
up hate in that rivalry. So five point spread right
now with Texas over under forty nine. A lot of
questions about quinn yours ankle. A and M's defense has
been atrocious in the last few weeks, which is kind
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of ironic because Mike Elko is a defensive guy. How
do you are you gonna look at this game knowing
that there's a potential game changing injury hanging over it.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Yeah, the.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Major kind of point of emphasis I would say in
this game is A and M's defense hasn't been playing
great in recent weeks, but so they have the talent
and the forces upfront on the defensive line. And when
we saw Texas at their worst this year, what did
Georgia do? They wrecked the game at the line of scrimmage.
So I think that if Texas A and M is
able to kind of correct themselves this week and get
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right get back to what we've seen them at points
this season, that they could definitely win this game outright.
And I feel like the entire season, all we've talked
about is, oh, this is going to be such a
raucous environment. This is the first time this rivalry has
happened in thirteen years, the whole nine yards. Well, if
we're going to talk about that all year, I think
we have to handicap that into the game as well.
In Texas A and M, even after losing last week,
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Like if they lost last week, I could have seen
a little bit of a letdown effect on this one.
Or excuse me, if the loss last week had eliminated them,
text A and M still went away from going to
the SEC title game. They still have plenty to play for.
So I like Texta, A and M to win this one.
I think they're gonna win this one outright. I think
it's a spot where we see Sark do a sark
and pissed down his leg in a big moment and
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text A and M wins in a pretty chaotic one.
I'm really excited for this one. Because it's a rivalry
game that I'm not that familiar with and haven't experienced much.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
As say, Friday in the in Thanksgiving weekend is Nebraska Colorado,
It's it's Texas, Texas A and M. It's the Egg Bowl,
which by the way, should have ended up being right
on Thursday night. But some of these old school robberies
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are just not existing anymore, and so it's gonna be
fun to see like a new generation of college football
fan get into Texas, Texas A and M.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
I love the over here. I'm going the over at
forty eight and a half. Texas A and M's defense,
like you guys said, has not been very good lately.
Five to the last six games went over for the Aggies.
Seven to the last nine forty eight and a half,
pretty low number. You look at what Texas A and M.
I mean, the defense hasn't been good, but you look
at what their offense has done since Marcel Reid, I
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think he's been in and out a couple times in
the lineup, but since he really came on the scene
against LSU thirty eight against LSU thirty four on the
road against Mississippi State, forty one against Missouri. It's only
twenty against South Carolina, but since then thirty eight and
forty and forty one last week against Auburn, even in
a tough loss. But their offense has showed up for
most of this stretch. And I even if this is
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a Texas win, I think the A and M offense
will still show up. The question mark is the Texas offense.
But with Texas and M's defense not being that good,
I don't see them, you know, getting shut down either.
So I think forty eight and a half. I actually
thought this number would be mid to upper fifties, to
be honest.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Yeah, I don't know which way I'm gonna end up going.
I think the viewers injury is a big deal. I'm
not saying Arch Manning can't get the job done, but
that would be a pretty treacherous environment for him to
go into it. Well what a story that would be,
right if Arch has to play. We'll see what happens
in that one. One thing I know.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
That imagine he wins these next two game, people will
be calling for it.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
One thing I do know is is South Carolina Clemson
is gonna beet incredibly close. The spreads two and a
half indicates that Carolina has played some incredible football and
to be where they are in the SEC, it really
is speaks volumes to what they've built. Clemson, Look, they're
number twelve, but does anybody think they're good because the
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last time we tried to hype Clemson up, well, they
lose to Louisville and pretty handily in that regard, So
I have trust trust issues here with Clemson. I think
the best unit on the field though, is South Carolina's defense,
which kind of leads me towards the under.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I think this game is one of the great reasons
of the twelve team playoff because this would just be
like a good game on during a four team playoff yere,
but this game actually has a legit meeting, like there's
gonna need to be over the wallcayoffs for South Carolina,
I think, to get in with the teams that they've
lost too. But Clemson there's certainly a path there for
them to get in and Clemson two can still go
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to the ACC title game. So this game still means
a lot, and it's a pretty cool one because it's
not a rivalry that I feel like we've had both
of these teams good. At the same time, Clemson's been
really good. South Carolina down. South Carolina had a good
year a couple of years ago. Clemson hasn't been that great,
so it'd be cool if these two can kind of
keep and evenly.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
But I like South Carolina in this one.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
I think if you look over the past four to
five weeks, you can make an argument that South Carolina
has been playing like one of the top five to
six teams in the country and that defensive line can
wreck a game in themselves. Lenora Sellers has really developed
over the course of the year. I think they're a
team playing with sky high confidence and I like them
to win this game.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Clemson also is just a.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Couple of weeks removed from needing a long kid club
Nick kind of heroic touchdown run just to be hit.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
So I've never been in on this Clemson team.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
This year, I got under nine and a half wins
as well, so looking for a loss in this spot
in South Carolina to get it done and maybe make
an interesting resume case there.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
Yeah, I'm on South Carolina as well. I think they're
the better team here and it feels like Clemson. I
feel like the only reason Clemson is here is their schedule.
I know the K Club's played a lot better. Their
schedule has been terrible. Yeah, it's just, you know, one
of the worst ACC schedules you'll see. So I think
South Carolina played a brutal schedule on the other end
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of things, and you know, a couple of plays here,
a couple of plays there, they could be easily with
two losses, maybe solidly in the playoffs. But that's not
where they're That's not where they're at. I think they
have the foolishness to think that maybe they can make
the playoff if they win the game, but I don't
think they can get in.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Motivation is a hell of a drug, and South Carolina
has plenty of that. Going into this weekend, I want
to hit on some games that have my attention a
little bit, starting with Oklahoma State in Colorado on Friday
at noon. The over unders sixty five. Oklahoma State has
not been able to stop a damn thing this season,
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and the one thing we do know is Colorado needs
to win. But this might not be there or this
might be their last game. And Travis Hunter, it's the
final statement to the Heisman voters. I think the only
thing you bet in this game is the over sixty five,
because they're going to just force feed the ball to
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Travis Hunter. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up
with two hundred yards from scrimmage. I know it's noon,
it's Friday, it's the day after Thanksgiving, it's a ten
am start local, but Oklahoma State just hasn't been able
to stop a damn thing all year. In Colorado's defense,
well improved can still be susceptible. And look, Ali Gordon's
played a little bit better over the last month, nowhere
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close to the standard we held him to going into
the season. But I think Colorado is going to just
run up the score as much as possible in that game.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Yeah, I think this could be one of those games
that it's a drive over the bridge game. You head
over to Jersey and you sit in Burlington or Camden
or something, and you pay the toll and you go
play some Travis Hunter props because I agree. I think
Dion was pissed too a Hunter game to get named
for the finalists for the Best dB Award, So I
think it's going to be a game where he really
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tries to kind of spite it to the media there.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
I think there's a chance.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Hell, with it being their last game, most likely you
can see him at kick returner and pump returner too.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Like that he might.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
He might play just about every single snap on the
football field and get him the ball in his hands
as much as I can.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
But uh, I agree.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
I like the over and if you are in a
state that you could hit some player props look at
Travis Hunter as well, because I do agree with you, Joe.
It's going to be a game that they feed him
till the wheels fall off.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Pretty much.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
The anti Travis Hunter tweets are hilarious. Snap Merchant. He's
winning a snap Award to win the Heisman. It's pretty
It is pretty funny. Obviously it's dumb some of it,
but that's great stupid. I think it's not gonna happen.
But I've said the entire season, by the way, I've
been extremely consistent that I think gent should in the hisman.
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But then I don't think he ever had a chance.
Being a running back from Boise and also starting as
hot as he did, it made it so that if
he ever put up anything less than two hundred yards touchdowns. Yeah,
he had set such an insanely high bar for himself,
and the Travis Hunters argument was never about stats. It's
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about the narrative, and it's about playing both ways and
that way. It's hard to ever fall off the top
once you get there, because you can't really have a
bad game, because if Travis Hunter doesn't do a lot receiving,
you can still be like, well, he played corner and
he played did a good job. So it's the only
thing is he hurt.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
He was able to stay healthy. That pretty much just
handed them hands him the award.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
Yeah, that's what it is. I do have a little
bit of a problem with it, but it's fine. It's
gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Well, it's also been really bad quarterback play. Yeah, like
we've like we mentioned earlier, this is the perfect year
for a non quarterback. Three double digit spreads. I want
to hit in Saturday Slate all at once kind of here.
Miami a ten and a half point favorite that Syracuse
SMU a thirteen and a half point favorite against Cal,
who we've all mentioned in the last few weeks. Cal
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has been the most overrated team on the books. But
if you look at Justin Wilcox's stats, as an underdog
against the spread, they're pretty damn good, and then sets
up for the situation and then Alabama in the Iron
Bowl eleven and a half against Auburn. I think I
may have texted you guys this, if not, I thought
it a lot on Saturday night if the Iron Bowl
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was being played at Jordan Harre, I was betting Auburn
money line. I still might, but there's so many flaws
in the Alabama team right now, and look, it's a
rivalry game. They have to win it to be alive
for the playoffs. But Albert's offense is actually pretty good,
and you could argue maybe they have the better individual
talent with ar Quest Hunter running back. Cam Coleman at
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wide receiver is one of the best least talked about
freshmen in the country. At least, I'm taking the over.
The iron Ball always seems to free chaos. But your
thoughts in any of those three.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Games, Auburn's the best worst team in the country. They're
owing three and one score games. You flip those and
this is like an eight nine win team. Potentially they
played better as of lately. I think too that the
confidence is looking a little bit better, but they've giving
games away. Are they going to take care of the ball.
If they are, they can certainly stay in this game.
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So I think Auburn is definitely worth a look there,
especially with the letdown factor of Alabama after last weekend.
Even remember last year Auburn was terrible and what did
they do? They dominated that game pretty much from start
to finish. Jaylen Milroe pulled some stuff out of his
ass to win that game. I also really like the
over in that Miami Syracuse game.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
I think if you're going to.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Be able to challenge Miami and make that a game
at all, you have to be able to go out
there and throw the ball around the yard to score
some points. And say what you want about Kyle mccorr,
but they're gonna go out throw the ball around the yard.
He's about to go over four thousand passing yards. He's
got twenty six passing touchdowns. So might throw a couple
interceptions your way if you're Miami, But who knows, maybe
one of those goals for six.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
I think we see a shootout in that one. Sixty
seven and a half.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
I think it is pretty high number, but I think
that's a fun one that could be like forty two
to thirty five or something.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Miami squeaks by like we've seen him do a bunch
this year.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
My favorite part of the week is Cal going with Cal.
I got it at thirteen and a half and it's
Justin Wilcox as an underdog. He's thirty eighteen and one
against the spread as an underdog, one of the best
underdog coaches in the country. It's a bunch of outright
wins sprinkled in there as well. A couple of outright
wins as a double digit dog sprinkled in there as well.
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So Cal was overvalued time after time. The last couple
of weeks, they're back to being undervalued. Vegas threw them
in the trash after they let them down continuously. And
this is exactly where Justin Wilcox and Cal show up
and try to ruin SMU season. I think they're live
in this game.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Any other bets you guys have locked in for rivalry week.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
This is not a rival but if Duke covers against
Big Forest, I told Beef, I'm going to be ordering
them a leak Murphy Duke Jersey to commemorate the magical
twenty twenty four Duke Football season, nobody ever cared about.
They're going to go nine and three. They're going to
be nine and three against the spread. They are I
think they're Yeah, they're six and one against the spread
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as an underdog with four outright wins as a dog.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Their favorite here.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
But I just I need to commemorate the twenty twenty
four duke football gambling season.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
I got a few Kansas minus one. They're at Baylor.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
They've been playing really well recently, SIKO won Sam Houston
State plus three against Liberty. Sam Houston State has been
like a quiet, like pretty solid.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Team this year.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
And then two trend plays, going with the team that
has the best record.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
This season to the over.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Do you know what that that team is Baylor? Nope, Okay,
the Iowa Hawk Eyes this year, I'm going over thirty
nine and a half against Nebraska. We'll go to back
to an old school game there and that one will
be like ten to seven, But I'll ride a trend
with that one. And then the last one Arizona State,
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best team against the spread this year nine and two.
They're playing Arizona worst team against the spread at two
and nine. I'm gonna back Arizona State minus nine and
a half in that one there, so fade away on
my two trend plays for that.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
I will say I'll say this because Beef and I
mentioned it last week and probably a week ahead on it.
Bowl eligibility matters, especially to the group of five schools.
These are teams that have to win. I'll just name
them off for the quick app State Auburn, Cincinnati, Coastal Carolina,
Eastern Michigan, Kansas, Louisiana, Monroe, Michigan State, New Mexico, NC State,
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North Texas, Oregon State, Virginia versus Virginia Tech for Bowl eligibility.
Get excited for that game. Western Michigan also playing Eastern
Michigan for the right to go to a Bowl, and
Wisconsin just a scan of that. North Texas plays Temple.
They're a ten and a half point favorite. I will
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gladly swoop that one up. And then what do we
think of North Carolina because that that's a very quick
Are they in Quitmo? Do you bet NC State because
they have all eligible on the line, Like, that's a
that's a little question to ask yourself. But I think
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other than that, I would look to Coastal, I look
to Kansas, I mean, they're the hottest team in the
Big twelve, definitely north of Texas, and then Michigan State
against Rutgers. There's a chance that happens. Rutgers hasn't really
been great over the last few weeks, so I think
about four or five of them choose wisely, but both.
Eligibility does matter to a bunch of these programs, especially
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some of the ones I mentioned.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
I'm on Kansas with you guys. I also like the
over in that game. Baylor has been really really good
to the over since they put they have I think
Robertson is the gulterbacks name. I believe since they put
him and they've they've really been high flying offense. I
like Louisville lay in three and a half against Kentucky.
Kentucky talk, what's up?
Speaker 3 (45:01):
I'm going Kentucky in that one. Kentucky.
Speaker 4 (45:05):
I think Louisville finally is the better team and they've
lost like ten street or something crazy, So I think
this is where you can finally be like, let's let's
stop this team that kills us at the end of
the year every year from the Big Bad SEC When
I think Mark Stoops checked out the minute he didn't
get the Texas A and M job out of this season,
so I think that's what happened down there. And then
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I'm going with Florida. Lay the points with Florida. Florida
State stinks, give me all fourteen and a half. I'll
lay them with the Gators, and then one last one.
I'm sorry to Nick McClay, I'm going with k State
plus three. I do think K State is going to
keep that game closed. I don't get why Iowa State
is like ranked above some of the other.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
Somehow that's the top twenty five game after the last
few weeks. I don't get.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
It's insane. Yeah, I don't think Iowa State it's like good,
Like thirty one to twenty eight against Utah, I was
not impressed, Like they lost to Kansas by more than
BYU lost to Kansas and got penalized less for it,
Like they lost to a Texas Tech team that I
don't think is good. I just I don't they beat
UCF who's bad by three points, Like I don't think
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Iostate is good. So I don't want them to make
the Big twelve championship. That's part of me betting on
k State here. But I do think Case State is
probably just the better team that's played a little bit
of a tougher schedule.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
I'm taking Notre Dame too, minus seven and a half mark.
Speaker 4 (46:30):
Sorry line, scary man.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
Last time they didn't cover line.
Speaker 4 (46:38):
If they lose to USC, to ruin this season and
then they get.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
If they used to If they lose the USC, at
least next week's show is going to be pretty good
if they lose to USC.
Speaker 4 (46:48):
If this season, this will be my least favorite Notre
Dame season of all time, over over some bad, bad
Notre Dames.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
But if it lose to USC, I'll get you a
Riley Leonard Duke Jersey to wear with.
Speaker 4 (47:06):
Duke upgraded a quarterback. That's the sad part they did.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
They absolutely did. He thank you next year, Hey he
might be you never know what the way they've been
plucking a SEC quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (47:21):
I'll take it. Duke to Notre Dame pipeline.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
Well, thank you everybody for tuning in. Ryan Beef, Coyle,
Barker Junior. I'm Joe Tansey. We'll be back next week
with a Championship weekend preview. Best of luck, on your
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Welcome on in two rivalry weeks. One of the best
weekends of the year in college football also got one
of the saddest because it's the last full slate in
college football every year. But you know what, it's pretty
juicy this year. We have the renewal of Texas and
Texas A and m Michigan Ohio State not maybe on
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the marquee, but it's gonna be juicy because Ohio State
actually needs to beat Michigan. That's a big deal with them.
You have the regular Shenanigans of the Egg Bowl, the
Iron Bowl, and then, of course, as we saw last week,
these things like to figure themselves out in college football.
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Will it figure itself out even more? Is there another
upset maybe two, brewing in college football this week to
make the playoff picture either clearer or a little more chaotic,
Because there's a chance it could be more chaotic if
another upset happens. Let's start with though, with the rankings.
Ryan Beef, Coroyle, Marcoy Junior, Joe Tansey all here with
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you to break Down Week fourteen, more effectionate known as
Rivalry Week. You guys have any major takeaways from the
playoff rankings.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Mine was when I was talking with Brace yesterday. Mine
kind of is Georgia and does like a third loss
potentially in the SEC title game get used against them.
I was expecting Georgia to maybe be like six or seven.
I still think when you're in like that eight to
nine game, are you one hundred percent in? I think
that's been one of the main things I've been curious
about this season, whether or not a team that gets
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to the SEC title game or the Big ten title
game and if they have two losses and if they
pick up a third, is that used against them or
is that kind of just pushed to the side because
they're playing.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
An extra game than everyone.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
But with George Is sitting there at the eighth spot,
if they lose in the SEC title game, would they
be out?
Speaker 3 (02:23):
And that would be a major talking point.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
If a one loss Indiana or a one loss Notre
Dame or one lost Penn State with not as many
quality wins, for sure, as Georgia got in over them,
and Georgia just was out because they had three losses.
That's something that I'm gonna be definitely keeping my eye
on over the next week as they go because they're
already penciled into the title game there.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
I don't think that Thankee will let a two loss
SEC team that loses in the SEC title game get
penalized for it. I think that they'll be fine. And
that's kind of my big takeaway from It's less about
the rankings and more from last weekend. It's just then
we thought that they're there was, you know, twelve chairs
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for sixteen people, and now we're like, there's twelve chairs
for like eleven people. Like you kind of have to
stretch whoever you're gonna make that last team to be.
I think let's say, you know, I don't want to
give too many hypotheticals, but let's say that the favored
results happen this weekend. And I'm sure that there's one
or two that won't be that way, but let's say
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the favored results happen. They did put themselves in a
little bit of an Alabama corner where Clemson has put
at twelve. Here Clemson plays South Carolina and if SMU
and Miami holds, I don't know if either of them
are safe this weekend. But if SMU and Miami both
win and that's the ACC title game, and Clemson's left
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out sitting there at ten and two beating a South
Carolina team who they have sitting at fifteen. The committee
can't bump BAMA beating Auburn above Clemson if Clemson wins
this week. So that's where it's Clemson. BAM is a
huge Clemson fan or a huge South Carolina fan beating
Clemson because they have that head to head against South Carolina,
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they'll be if it's between the three loss SEC teams,
BAMA gets in. But I'm actually surprised they drop them
below Clemson because that's where they put them in a
little bit of a weird spot where I think we
were all expecting, oh, well, three losses, but we can't bout.
We can't count Bama out and you can't, but they
can't jump them in front of some of these teams
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who aren't gonna play.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I think they can do whatever the hell they want.
That's that's what I kind of look at it. I
look at it as I see Bama sitting there at
number thirteen, and they've got full license now to jump them,
whatever justification they want to use. I mean, look, these
rankings are what we're basing everything off of what we
assume the committee is going to do. Right, So you're
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right in everything you're saying about Clemson. What if there's
a situation where the committee just says, you know what,
that was last week. This week we feel different about
Alabama and we and looking at the entire kind of
who are the twelve best teams to get into the playoffs?
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You can make a case that Alabama is that over
clems it right, I mean, like, what is Clemson really
done to woo you? But to your point, Alabama should
have been over Clemson in the first place.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Andrere on mute Mark, I think I read it myself.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
I don't know what happened, but Bama they could have
if they were going to make that case. I think
they had to make it this week before dropping them behind.
They can't put thirteen above twelve. If twelve beats fifteen,
that that's kind of the issue. I think where it
comes where it becomes interesting is that ACC title game loser.
And by the way we'll get to it, I think
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Clemson loses this week, So I actually don't think that
that's gonna that's gonna be a big factor in this
whole race. But just wanted to point that out because
they're sitting there at twelve. The big Let's say Clemson wins.
The big thing, it's gonna be an interesting kind of
debate is let's say Miami beats SMU in the ACC
title game. You have two teams that you can take
out of eleven and two SMU, ten and two Clemson
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and nine and three Bama. That's where if you have
two of the ACC teams, I can see you kind
of making the case, Well, SMU just lost in the
ACC title game. They didn't play a good schedule before
they got there. That's the team that I think is
the most endanger right now. It's whoever loses that ACC
title game. I think the fun the more fun conversation
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is who can withstand the loss? You said, Ohio State,
if they lost to Michigan, it would matter, would it?
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Wait, they wouldn't have to play.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Organ Yeah, when Penn Saco in that situation, are Indiana?
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I think it's Indiana. I could be wrong. I thought
I saw something saying that it was Indiana.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah, because just because Both of both losses for Indiana
and Penn.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
State are to Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
But that's where he really start to get into the
the nitty gritty and the weeds there.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
And if you want to, if you want a Homer
question here, and I've been the one putting my hand
up saying I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I know it's Penn State, then Indiana.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
That's okay, it's Penn State.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Okay, Penn State. Penn State's in with winning, Ohio State lost,
Indiana needs to win and both to lose.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Okay, Okay. So with Notre Dame, who's sitting there at
number five, I was hoping, you know, the committee put
an army at nineteen. I was hoping maybe that would
be enough to jump Penn State. And it looked like
the committee is like, well, we kind of had to
put army there. We don't think they're actually any good.
But is there a case that if Notre Dame loses
a close game at USC that they still get in.
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I can't believe I'm even asking that question, But does
you know a ten and two Clemson get in over
ten and to Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I think the question is and it's not just for
Notre Dame. What's the cushion for teams two through six?
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Yeah, that's that's kind of I think the most interesting
debate right now.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Because the cushion for Indiana. Now they were helped out
a lot by Bama and all mislosing, but the cushion
for Indiana was number ten. So I would have to
think those teams are in because there's still they would
still only be two lost teams, right, I think that's
I guess maybe the way that the committee deciphers it all.
But if you look at the opponents these teams are playing, though,
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Texas can withstand it because they're playing A and M
I think that's and they're an SEC team. I think
they're Penn State. It's not losing to Maryland, no, so
we don't have to worry about that. They're in. Uh,
Miami looks Syracuse is frisky, is one hundred psy and
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in this in this game, Miami could absolutely take the
foot off the pedal here.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
I think they're I think that's where the line is.
The line is either above or below Notre Dame. Like
I don't think Miami can get it with the loss
of Syracuse regardless, and they'll be kicked out of the
A SEC title game. They will just that, They'll just
say SMU and Clemson are the only teams we're looking
at it in the ACC. So I do think that's
where the line is. I think Georgia can lose in
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the SEC title game. Obviously Tennessee can't lose to Vandy,
So that's obviously where it stops there. But I do
think there's a debate, and it just comes down to
how much recency bias plays in for the committee. With
Notre Dame, I think that's a chance Notre Dame could
lose to USC and still get in. And I would
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be the first person to tell you that. I don't
know if they deserve to if that would be the case,
But if you compare the resume of Clemson and Notre Dame,
if Notre Dame were to lose, Notre Dame probably as
the best win out of that. With Texas A and M,
they might finish eighty four. Now who knows, but it's
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it's up for debate. At least that would be an
interesting debate.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I think the wildest thing is too. I think since
the rankings started coming out, you've had Oregon, you've had
Texas and you've had Miami all in there in the
by spots. We could get to next weekend and those
all three of those teams could lose potentially in the
title game and they could all be out of the
bi completely. You could have Ohio State, you could have SMU,
and you could have Georgia in the bye So it's
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week to week.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
It's nice to talk about with with the bracket and
the rankings coming out, but those three teams could all
be right out of that spot pretty easily. I think
we could all see a scenario where they all potentially
losing their conference title games.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Well would you rather be the one of the five seed?
That's kind of the interesting thing with this whole Ohio
State Oregon thing. And I guess another question. If Ohio
State goes and loses a close Big Ten title game
to Oregon, are they sitting at the five seeds still?
Because are you gonna have Penn State at eleven and
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one jump eleven in two Ohio State when Ohio State
beat Penn State in their house, so you're gonna have
Notre to aim if they were eleven and one jump,
they can't have Notre Dame jump well, but it's hard
to do that after you put Penn State above Notre
Dame this week.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
That's why where they have Ohio State already at two,
they've got it. They've had Ohio State pretty much at
number two, right there behind Oregon this whole time as well.
So kind of just goes to show you what the
committee thinks of Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Loses a blowout to Oregon if they get a blowout,
because I think that's that's the more intriguing question is
we know they've they can play them close. They've played
them close already. But what happens if Oregon, who's kind
of just been sitting there right sitting there at number one,
kind of mining their own business beating teams they should beat.
What happens if they just go into Indianapolis beat Ohio
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State by thirty? I don't think it will, but or
what if the other way around happens?
Speaker 4 (11:54):
The other way around? I still think Oregon would get
the best. I think Oregon would be fine, I think,
and could lose the Big Ten title game by forty
and they would probably drop to like two, as weird
as that is, just because they had they beat Ohio
State and Ohio State would then be one. I think
that Oregon would be fine. That's like probably what the
Big Pen wants more than anything.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
The Big ten State, which might be your four seed.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Exactly, and Arizona State, which might be your twelve or
Iowa State shout out Nick McClay. But I think that
there's a good chance that the Big Ten is like
dying to have Ohio State when a close game against Oregon,
you put Ohio State as the one seed, and you
put Oregon as the five seed, and you hope, you know,
they'll face each other in the final four. But yeah,
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it's it's definitely interesting, the whole the cushion conversation, right
with some of these teams.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
One The one thing though, I will say, though we cannot,
we absolutely cannot have Big ten versus Big ten versus
SEC in the first round. It's if it's the entire
purpose of a twelve team playoff, like you can, you
can maneuver it. I really don't care if between Georgia
and Tennessee, who's where, as long as they don't play
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each other in what say, like an eight nine game
like that. That more infuriates me.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Because there's gonna be two ACC teams, so there'll be
an ACC autobid most likely. Most likely the ACC is
getting at least two teams in. So let's say this
is an ACC team and there's Notre Dame. That gives
you two out of four that can't be Big ten, Big.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Ten or and the Big twelve champ.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
So well, yeah, they'll probably either And yeah, you're right
that they could be the twelve now that I'm saying that, Yeah,
so you're right, you're actually that that's probably three of
them right there that take care of each other. It
might only take like one week just bumping Tennessee for
Indiana one spot or whatever the case.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Maybe they order if Penn State, Indiana, Georgia, Tennessee won't
matter as much to me. If they can make it
SEC versus Big ten in like those four teams. If
it plays out that way, I agree.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
The interesting thing is I saw people complaining that it
can't be this way because Ohio State and Oregon are
clearly the two best teams in the country, which I
don't know if we know that to be the case.
I think we can assume that, but I don't know
if that's true. But they won't Probably they probably won't
be able to face each other in the national championship
because of how it's gonna play out. It's probably gonna
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be one is the one seed and one's the five seed,
so they would match up in the semi finals of
the quarterfinals, however that breaks out. But it's how many
before we kind of move on to this week? How
many how many teams do you guys think can win
the title? Right now?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Four?
Speaker 4 (14:39):
I have four too. I think we probably will have
a different fourth team.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Who are your four?
Speaker 4 (14:47):
My four are? Ever? I think we're all gonna say
Ohio State, Oregon, Georgia. Am I wrong? And then I
would go Tennessee. I do think Tennessee has the defense.
In the running game. Nico's the big question mark there, obviously,
and there's reasons to be kind of questioning that offense
in the past, only not the offense, the passing game.
But you look at what Dylan Samsony's probably the second
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best running back in the country potentially, and the defense
is top five in the country. I think they can
ground and pound their way to a nice little run.
It would be the fourth team, but by a wide margin.
I snagged them at fifty to one. As Ole miss
was losing in the final minutes there. That's all the
way down to twenty to one. So I'm pretty hyped
up on the volunteers right now. I can't see anybody else.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
I have those four as well, I would throw.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
If we're throwing a long shot, I guess or not
one of those four I could see, notre name, just
the way that they've been playing. Well, we'll see this
weekend what happens. But I honestly could Mark. I've been
saying it for since the Northern Illinois game.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
I know you have. You both were sitting here on
this show after that and I was yelling at you
like we're talking about the playoffs, like joking, like I
can't believe we're sitting here. I don't think right that
it's a good enough quarterback for them.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
But they've just steamrolled anything in sight.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
It could be the Indiana kind of factor that maybe
they haven't really been playing anyone, but it's definitely been
a different team we can say since Northern Illinois. Uh,
they're they're in the same boat as Tennessee though. They
just all they got to do is win this weekend.
It could be by one, it could be by one hundred.
Just win and get in and then figure it out
from there, because you know they could get a solid drawl.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Like all right, just say Texas.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Does wind up winning the SEC and Notre Dames in
that like seven to ten game. You're telling me you're
gonna be scared of Notre Dame versus Texas on a
neutral Like, I'll take my chances in that game.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Your your one game there away from the final four.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
I have my blue and white colored glasses on. I
think ben State needs to be including that conversation as well,
that the defense is legit. Say what do you want
about the play calling in the Ohio State game? It
was poor, There's no doubt about that. But their defense
is national championship caliber.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
The same defens It just gave up twenty five to
Minnesota that game.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Same defense this week, same defense. I still think they
with the talent they have and the experience they have
a quarterback, and look, we haven't seen at least I
don't think the full extent of the Nick Singleton k
Tron Allen combination either. I think they've they've been saving
that and understandably so for these these last few weeks
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and for the Playoff. I still think they're they're capable
of doing it. So I would say Oregon, Ohio State,
penn State, Georgia because they've won it recently and they
have a coach. They've one of the two coaches who
has a job still that has won a national championship.
And I'll throw Texas in there as well. I think
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they're They're definitely part of the conversation. They've been pretty
consistent all year. But then I don't know. I have
my doubts about Notre Dame. I definitely have my doubts
about Miami, especially with their defense. You can sell me
on Tennessee's defense. I don't know if I can can
completely buy into a freshman quarterback winning the Natty. It's possible,
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It's definitely can happen. Uh, But I think to me
that's the knock. And then SMU's the dark horse here. Guys.
They they figured out their quarterback situation that they put
the right guy in in about week what three or four?
Kevin Jennings. I know they played Virginia last week, but
the defense is starting to look really legit too, and
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that's coming together. I think they're gonna beat Miami and
win the ACC. It's just a matter of what their
matchup is. But I think SMU, I'm not ready to
put them in that list of contenders yet, but they're
they're They're definitely hovering around the conversation.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
I don't think I wouldn't put them in that yet
on that tire, But I again, Texas is the interesting
one where I could maybe be suaded, but I just
feel like I haven't seen enough yet.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
From it, and I still don't trust Sark in a
big spot.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Yeah, that's a big spot. Saw the Georgia game, the
panic there.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I think, you know, they were getting outplayed any panicked
and put in arch and it just seems like weren't
able to respond to that last year in the playoff
against Washington. If they get a team that is able
to kind of air it out and pass the ball,
I think that's where they're really susceptible.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
We saw that last year, especially in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
But if they have to go up, just even if
they had to play like a Miami or something in
the final four, like I would take my I would
like Miami's chances in that one because of the offense.
But when we were talking, who do we think can
win Miami didn't even cross my mind. But I still
think Texas is. Texas is a team that has some
matchup issues and Sark and big spots hasn't proven it
to me. Last year was the first year he ever
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won ten games, and we've seen even in the NFL
situational stuff, he hasn't been that great.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
At and because of the way it feels a quarterback
plays down. I mean, obviously you're looking at the highs
one you have, you have Gent and you have I
don't know why I said in first you have Hunter
and then you have Gent before you even get to.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
A quarterback, but.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Yeah, and you have Dylan Gabriel, probably the best quarterback
in the country. But if Oregon doesn't go win the
National Championship, you're kind of looking at whoever wins the
Natties gonna have. I don't know if game manager is
fair to say, but like, the reason I'm kind of
maybe more willing to talk myself in on Tennessee this
year is because you don't have a team with that
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elite quarterback who's just gonna run through defenses. So if
Tennessee can get by on that defense in that running game,
like Ohio State Like I like Will Howard. I think
he's actually probably one of like the ten best quarterbacks
in the country, which probably says more about the top quarterbacks.
But he's not more than He's not like put you
on your back and win it for you. He kind
of win with him. Guy Quinn Yours, I don't know
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what he is.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
It feels like to play this weekend.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Yeah, it's it's weird whatever's going on there with Texas.
Aler's had his bad spots and big games. Riley Leonard
can't throw a fifteen yard out. He's you know, he's
amazing at running the ball, but he's got his issues
passing cam Ward. You can obviously cam Ward's probably the
best or second best guy in this conversation. Their defense
is disqualifying. I'm not even taking them seriously. Carson Beck
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has been not very good. I've read something about I
guess his receivers just aren't getting open at all. So
if you look at his from last year having McConkie
and Bowers going to this year having guys who they
just don't have a good unit at all, and he's
trying to make the plays happen instead of throwing it
to the guys who are making the plays happen and
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you're seeing him turn the ball over, maybe he can
have a nice run in the playoffs where he's developed
throughout the year, they've had a brutal schedule, so maybe
he's more than a game manager. Nico, you're just asking
to be a game manager. But it's like the lack
of elite quarterback play really does open things up.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
I'll use this as a question to kind of go
into the weekend. If we're not talking about elite quarterback play,
because I don't think we are, and none of these
guys have NFL like superstar potential at this point. Is
it the best supporting cast? Then whoever has the most
elite supporting cast around them? For example, Ohio State with
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their two running backs at Buca Smith or is it
Penn State with Tyler Warren the two running backs receivers lacking,
but Oregon they still have the tight end receiver or
tight end running backs Oregon, same thing. I think that
might be the difference maker this year instead of just
straight up quarterback plays, who is the quarterback getting the
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ball to and then if you if you qualify it
that way, Ohio State's the runaway favorite.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah, like that have too folks have them at plus
two to fifty right now.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I think Oregon's like plus four hundred.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
I was gonna ask you guys, because I actually if
you made me, you know, gun to my head and
make a pick right now, who's winning the Natty? I
think I'm still picking Oregon, like I'm taking.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Over, not because of the way the bracket is right now.
It's like, Okay, Oregon, here's your gift for being the
number one team going undefeated winning the Big Ten. You
get Georgia or Tennessee on a neutral Like, I'm not
gonna like that matchup.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Over what Ohio State has right now in their path.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
I think they're most likely to be the five. Like
I think Ohio State is gonna be like a touchdown
favor in that a Big Ten championship against the Oregon.
Maybe that's a little high, Maybe it's more like a
field goal. I think it'll probably be in between a
field goal and a touchdown, something in that range, And
so most likely Ohio State gets that one. And then
if you're Oregon sitting at the five, I guess I
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kind of feel like Oregon will either be the one
or the five and if that's the case, I don't
feel bad about betting Oregon right now. I think I
saw four fifty out there, so I still kind of
lean with Oregon being the best team in the country,
even though Ohio State is probably slightly better supporting cast,
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but Oregon's got an NFL does I would say NBA guys,
NFL guys all over the field, and you've got two
guys at receiver. I think they have the most underrated
player in the country with James at running back. He
feels like no one even talks about him when they
bring Oregon up. And they've got dudes on the defensive
line there at Oregon. Dan Lannings kind of brought the
sec there to them, So I'm kind of buying all
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the stock on Oregon I can get, and I know
I'm gonna end up betting them as a big dog
in that Ohio State game. Not a big dog, but
whatever they are in that big fench championship, even though
it's kind of going against what I'm saying that they'd
be better off as the five seed. But maybe if
you don't think Oregon's gonna beat Ohio State, but you
think they can win the Natty. You wait until after
the Big Ten Championship, their odds will drop even though
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they get a better seed at being a five. But
interesting stuff.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
If Ohio State wins by twenty one, which is covering
the spread this weekend, they're winning the title. Okay, I'll
just keep I'll keep it at that. And the reason
why I say that is what was Ohio State's goal
at the start of the year. Right think back to
the bowl game against miss I believe it was. They
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were awful. It feel like everybody quit. They didn't have
a quarterback. They were just hoping and praying to get
through sixty minutes. And that the big thing last year
after that happened was and after losing to Michigan, was
we have to get better. Our goal is the national Championship.
Our goal is is beating Michigan. Beating Penn State is
great for Ohio State. Doesn't really matter much. Beating Indiana,
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you know that the all the talking they did after
the game, Will Howard, you know, putting out the sig.
That's fine, but Indiana it doesn't matter to Ohio State.
What matters is Michigan winning the Big Ten Championship and
winning a National Championship. So if they come out and
beat Michigan, regardless of what the spread says, if they
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beat them in the manner in which they're expected to
and then some it shows me that they've kind of
turned the switch into championship mode. Because remember a lot
of these guys haven't beaten Mission at all in their careers.
So there's three milestones that they have this season. Beat Michigan,
win the Big Ten championship, and win the Natty. If
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the game's close against Michigan, I'll be worried because Michigan,
although they've improved, shouldn't be competing with Ohio State. Ohio
State wins this game by twenty one plus, I think
they're going on to win the title. They're completely focused,
killing every goal in sight. I really do think that's
the case.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, that twenty million dollar check that those boosters wrote,
they better damn crossed off at least two out of
those three right accomplishments, or that's a failed season. But
I agree, and do we want to transition into that
first because I really like Ohio State over them.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah, I'm taking them. I'm taking them to twenty and
a half.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Yeah, I think I mean I've heard a few different
people say that I'm right there with them, like they
have three years of pent up, built up frustration that
they're able to take out at home against a much
inferior Michigan team. When you look at Michigan, the de
is okay, but they're not going to be able to
move the ball I think at all on this Ohio
State offense. And the thing that annoys me the most
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about this rivalry and Joe, I know you said, like
the players, some of these players have never beaten Michigan,
But for my entire life pretty much, Ohio State has
dominated this rivalry. They won eight in a row before
Michigan has won these last three. Like there's such a
narrative out there right now, and I know it's because
of Ryan Day, but Ohio State has dominated this rivalry
since the two thousands pretty much, and the early two
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thousands and since then this has been Ohio States rivalry.
Michigan's got them the past three years, but even like
last year, Kyle McCord had a shot at the end
of the game, it's not like they've been dog walking
them up and down the field. Ohio State doesn't need
to get this done doesn't need to break through and
a little bit of a monkey off Rye Day's shoulder.
But I think that they win this one, and they
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win this one big and kind of dispel this narrative
because I'm going to take Ohio State as a football
program over Michigan in terms of their kind of long
term success.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
I'm taking them team touchdowns as well over three and
a half. I really do think they're gonna be able
to make a statement. I think they're scoring thirty five
to forty points very easily.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Yeah, I don't have a bet on this one. I
would lean Ohio State. It's just a lot of points.
I saw it. I think, like, I don't know if
it was an old line from earlier in the year.
I saw it was fifteen and a half, but I
was like, oh, I'll definitely take fifteen and a half,
and I feel like that almost like poisoned me. Once
I saw the number was actually twenty and a half,
I was like, well, it's a little higher than what
I was thinking initially, But so I'm laying off of it.
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But there's no way anyone should bets.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
No. I think this is an Ohio State bet and
an Ohio State bet only. Speaking of rivalries, this one
hasn't happened in thirteen years. Texas and Texas A and M.
Now you want to talk about rivalry week back in
the day, back in my day, when we had five
major conferences and things were right, Texas and Texas A
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and M was the rivalry. Thanksgiving weekend is the game
to pay attention to. There is a lot of pend
up hate in that rivalry. So five point spread right
now with Texas over under forty nine. A lot of
questions about quinn yours ankle. A and M's defense has
been atrocious in the last few weeks, which is kind
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of ironic because Mike Elko is a defensive guy. How
do you are you gonna look at this game knowing
that there's a potential game changing injury hanging over it.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Yeah, the.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Major kind of point of emphasis I would say in
this game is A and M's defense hasn't been playing
great in recent weeks, but so they have the talent
and the forces upfront on the defensive line. And when
we saw Texas at their worst this year, what did
Georgia do? They wrecked the game at the line of scrimmage.
So I think that if Texas A and M is
able to kind of correct themselves this week and get
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right get back to what we've seen them at points
this season, that they could definitely win this game outright.
And I feel like the entire season, all we've talked
about is, oh, this is going to be such a
raucous environment. This is the first time this rivalry has
happened in thirteen years, the whole nine yards. Well, if
we're going to talk about that all year, I think
we have to handicap that into the game as well.
In Texas A and M, even after losing last week,
(30:12):
Like if they lost last week, I could have seen
a little bit of a letdown effect on this one.
Or excuse me, if the loss last week had eliminated them,
text A and M still went away from going to
the SEC title game. They still have plenty to play for.
So I like Texta, A and M to win this one.
I think they're gonna win this one outright. I think
it's a spot where we see Sark do a sark
and pissed down his leg in a big moment and
(30:34):
text A and M wins in a pretty chaotic one.
I'm really excited for this one. Because it's a rivalry
game that I'm not that familiar with and haven't experienced much.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
As say, Friday in the in Thanksgiving weekend is Nebraska Colorado,
It's it's Texas, Texas A and M. It's the Egg Bowl,
which by the way, should have ended up being right
on Thursday night. But some of these old school robberies
(31:03):
are just not existing anymore, and so it's gonna be
fun to see like a new generation of college football
fan get into Texas, Texas A and M.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
I love the over here. I'm going the over at
forty eight and a half. Texas A and M's defense,
like you guys said, has not been very good lately.
Five to the last six games went over for the Aggies.
Seven to the last nine forty eight and a half,
pretty low number. You look at what Texas A and M.
I mean, the defense hasn't been good, but you look
at what their offense has done since Marcel Reid, I
(31:31):
think he's been in and out a couple times in
the lineup, but since he really came on the scene
against LSU thirty eight against LSU thirty four on the
road against Mississippi State, forty one against Missouri. It's only
twenty against South Carolina, but since then thirty eight and
forty and forty one last week against Auburn, even in
a tough loss. But their offense has showed up for
most of this stretch. And I even if this is
(31:53):
a Texas win, I think the A and M offense
will still show up. The question mark is the Texas offense.
But with Texas and M's defense not being that good,
I don't see them, you know, getting shut down either.
So I think forty eight and a half. I actually
thought this number would be mid to upper fifties, to
be honest.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Yeah, I don't know which way I'm gonna end up going.
I think the viewers injury is a big deal. I'm
not saying Arch Manning can't get the job done, but
that would be a pretty treacherous environment for him to
go into it. Well what a story that would be,
right if Arch has to play. We'll see what happens
in that one. One thing I know.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
That imagine he wins these next two game, people will
be calling for it.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
One thing I do know is is South Carolina Clemson
is gonna beet incredibly close. The spreads two and a
half indicates that Carolina has played some incredible football and
to be where they are in the SEC, it really
is speaks volumes to what they've built. Clemson, Look, they're
number twelve, but does anybody think they're good because the
(33:03):
last time we tried to hype Clemson up, well, they
lose to Louisville and pretty handily in that regard, So
I have trust trust issues here with Clemson. I think
the best unit on the field though, is South Carolina's defense,
which kind of leads me towards the under.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I think this game is one of the great reasons
of the twelve team playoff because this would just be
like a good game on during a four team playoff yere,
but this game actually has a legit meeting, like there's
gonna need to be over the wallcayoffs for South Carolina,
I think, to get in with the teams that they've
lost too. But Clemson there's certainly a path there for
them to get in and Clemson two can still go
(33:42):
to the ACC title game. So this game still means
a lot, and it's a pretty cool one because it's
not a rivalry that I feel like we've had both
of these teams good. At the same time, Clemson's been
really good. South Carolina down. South Carolina had a good
year a couple of years ago. Clemson hasn't been that great,
so it'd be cool if these two can kind of
keep and evenly.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
But I like South Carolina in this one.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
I think if you look over the past four to
five weeks, you can make an argument that South Carolina
has been playing like one of the top five to
six teams in the country and that defensive line can
wreck a game in themselves. Lenora Sellers has really developed
over the course of the year. I think they're a
team playing with sky high confidence and I like them
to win this game.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Clemson also is just a.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Couple of weeks removed from needing a long kid club
Nick kind of heroic touchdown run just to be hit.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
So I've never been in on this Clemson team.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
This year, I got under nine and a half wins
as well, so looking for a loss in this spot
in South Carolina to get it done and maybe make
an interesting resume case there.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
Yeah, I'm on South Carolina as well. I think they're
the better team here and it feels like Clemson. I
feel like the only reason Clemson is here is their schedule.
I know the K Club's played a lot better. Their
schedule has been terrible. Yeah, it's just, you know, one
of the worst ACC schedules you'll see. So I think
South Carolina played a brutal schedule on the other end
(35:02):
of things, and you know, a couple of plays here,
a couple of plays there, they could be easily with
two losses, maybe solidly in the playoffs. But that's not
where they're That's not where they're at. I think they
have the foolishness to think that maybe they can make
the playoff if they win the game, but I don't
think they can get in.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Motivation is a hell of a drug, and South Carolina
has plenty of that. Going into this weekend, I want
to hit on some games that have my attention a
little bit, starting with Oklahoma State in Colorado on Friday
at noon. The over unders sixty five. Oklahoma State has
not been able to stop a damn thing this season,
(35:41):
and the one thing we do know is Colorado needs
to win. But this might not be there or this
might be their last game. And Travis Hunter, it's the
final statement to the Heisman voters. I think the only
thing you bet in this game is the over sixty five,
because they're going to just force feed the ball to
(36:01):
Travis Hunter. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up
with two hundred yards from scrimmage. I know it's noon,
it's Friday, it's the day after Thanksgiving, it's a ten
am start local, but Oklahoma State just hasn't been able
to stop a damn thing all year. In Colorado's defense,
well improved can still be susceptible. And look, Ali Gordon's
played a little bit better over the last month, nowhere
(36:24):
close to the standard we held him to going into
the season. But I think Colorado is going to just
run up the score as much as possible in that game.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Yeah, I think this could be one of those games
that it's a drive over the bridge game. You head
over to Jersey and you sit in Burlington or Camden
or something, and you pay the toll and you go
play some Travis Hunter props because I agree. I think
Dion was pissed too a Hunter game to get named
for the finalists for the Best dB Award, So I
think it's going to be a game where he really
(36:54):
tries to kind of spite it to the media there.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
I think there's a chance.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Hell, with it being their last game, most likely you
can see him at kick returner and pump returner too.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Like that he might.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
He might play just about every single snap on the
football field and get him the ball in his hands
as much as I can.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
But uh, I agree.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
I like the over and if you are in a
state that you could hit some player props look at
Travis Hunter as well, because I do agree with you, Joe.
It's going to be a game that they feed him
till the wheels fall off.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Pretty much.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
The anti Travis Hunter tweets are hilarious. Snap Merchant. He's
winning a snap Award to win the Heisman. It's pretty
It is pretty funny. Obviously it's dumb some of it,
but that's great stupid. I think it's not gonna happen.
But I've said the entire season, by the way, I've
been extremely consistent that I think gent should in the hisman.
(37:43):
But then I don't think he ever had a chance.
Being a running back from Boise and also starting as
hot as he did, it made it so that if
he ever put up anything less than two hundred yards touchdowns. Yeah,
he had set such an insanely high bar for himself,
and the Travis Hunters argument was never about stats. It's
(38:04):
about the narrative, and it's about playing both ways and
that way. It's hard to ever fall off the top
once you get there, because you can't really have a
bad game, because if Travis Hunter doesn't do a lot receiving,
you can still be like, well, he played corner and
he played did a good job. So it's the only
thing is he hurt.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
He was able to stay healthy. That pretty much just
handed them hands him the award.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
Yeah, that's what it is. I do have a little
bit of a problem with it, but it's fine. It's
gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Well, it's also been really bad quarterback play. Yeah, like
we've like we mentioned earlier, this is the perfect year
for a non quarterback. Three double digit spreads. I want
to hit in Saturday Slate all at once kind of here.
Miami a ten and a half point favorite that Syracuse
SMU a thirteen and a half point favorite against Cal,
who we've all mentioned in the last few weeks. Cal
(38:50):
has been the most overrated team on the books. But
if you look at Justin Wilcox's stats, as an underdog
against the spread, they're pretty damn good, and then sets
up for the situation and then Alabama in the Iron
Bowl eleven and a half against Auburn. I think I
may have texted you guys this, if not, I thought
it a lot on Saturday night if the Iron Bowl
(39:11):
was being played at Jordan Harre, I was betting Auburn
money line. I still might, but there's so many flaws
in the Alabama team right now, and look, it's a
rivalry game. They have to win it to be alive
for the playoffs. But Albert's offense is actually pretty good,
and you could argue maybe they have the better individual
talent with ar Quest Hunter running back. Cam Coleman at
(39:33):
wide receiver is one of the best least talked about
freshmen in the country. At least, I'm taking the over.
The iron Ball always seems to free chaos. But your
thoughts in any of those three.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Games, Auburn's the best worst team in the country. They're
owing three and one score games. You flip those and
this is like an eight nine win team. Potentially they
played better as of lately. I think too that the
confidence is looking a little bit better, but they've giving
games away. Are they going to take care of the ball.
If they are, they can certainly stay in this game.
(40:05):
So I think Auburn is definitely worth a look there,
especially with the letdown factor of Alabama after last weekend.
Even remember last year Auburn was terrible and what did
they do? They dominated that game pretty much from start
to finish. Jaylen Milroe pulled some stuff out of his
ass to win that game. I also really like the
over in that Miami Syracuse game.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
I think if you're going to.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Be able to challenge Miami and make that a game
at all, you have to be able to go out
there and throw the ball around the yard to score
some points. And say what you want about Kyle mccorr,
but they're gonna go out throw the ball around the yard.
He's about to go over four thousand passing yards. He's
got twenty six passing touchdowns. So might throw a couple
interceptions your way if you're Miami, But who knows, maybe
one of those goals for six.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
I think we see a shootout in that one. Sixty
seven and a half.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
I think it is pretty high number, but I think
that's a fun one that could be like forty two
to thirty five or something.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Miami squeaks by like we've seen him do a bunch
this year.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
My favorite part of the week is Cal going with Cal.
I got it at thirteen and a half and it's
Justin Wilcox as an underdog. He's thirty eighteen and one
against the spread as an underdog, one of the best
underdog coaches in the country. It's a bunch of outright
wins sprinkled in there as well. A couple of outright
wins as a double digit dog sprinkled in there as well.
(41:18):
So Cal was overvalued time after time. The last couple
of weeks, they're back to being undervalued. Vegas threw them
in the trash after they let them down continuously. And
this is exactly where Justin Wilcox and Cal show up
and try to ruin SMU season. I think they're live
in this game.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Any other bets you guys have locked in for rivalry week.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
This is not a rival but if Duke covers against
Big Forest, I told Beef, I'm going to be ordering
them a leak Murphy Duke Jersey to commemorate the magical
twenty twenty four Duke Football season, nobody ever cared about.
They're going to go nine and three. They're going to
be nine and three against the spread. They are I
think they're Yeah, they're six and one against the spread
(42:03):
as an underdog with four outright wins as a dog.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Their favorite here.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
But I just I need to commemorate the twenty twenty
four duke football gambling season.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
I got a few Kansas minus one. They're at Baylor.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
They've been playing really well recently, SIKO won Sam Houston
State plus three against Liberty. Sam Houston State has been
like a quiet, like pretty solid.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Team this year.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
And then two trend plays, going with the team that
has the best record.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
This season to the over.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Do you know what that that team is Baylor? Nope, Okay,
the Iowa Hawk Eyes this year, I'm going over thirty
nine and a half against Nebraska. We'll go to back
to an old school game there and that one will
be like ten to seven, But I'll ride a trend
with that one. And then the last one Arizona State,
(42:57):
best team against the spread this year nine and two.
They're playing Arizona worst team against the spread at two
and nine. I'm gonna back Arizona State minus nine and
a half in that one there, so fade away on
my two trend plays for that.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
I will say I'll say this because Beef and I
mentioned it last week and probably a week ahead on it.
Bowl eligibility matters, especially to the group of five schools.
These are teams that have to win. I'll just name
them off for the quick app State Auburn, Cincinnati, Coastal Carolina,
Eastern Michigan, Kansas, Louisiana, Monroe, Michigan State, New Mexico, NC State,
(43:35):
North Texas, Oregon State, Virginia versus Virginia Tech for Bowl eligibility.
Get excited for that game. Western Michigan also playing Eastern
Michigan for the right to go to a Bowl, and
Wisconsin just a scan of that. North Texas plays Temple.
They're a ten and a half point favorite. I will
(43:56):
gladly swoop that one up. And then what do we
think of North Carolina because that that's a very quick
Are they in Quitmo? Do you bet NC State because
they have all eligible on the line, Like, that's a
that's a little question to ask yourself. But I think
(44:17):
other than that, I would look to Coastal, I look
to Kansas, I mean, they're the hottest team in the
Big twelve, definitely north of Texas, and then Michigan State
against Rutgers. There's a chance that happens. Rutgers hasn't really
been great over the last few weeks, so I think
about four or five of them choose wisely, but both.
Eligibility does matter to a bunch of these programs, especially
(44:40):
some of the ones I mentioned.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
I'm on Kansas with you guys. I also like the
over in that game. Baylor has been really really good
to the over since they put they have I think
Robertson is the gulterbacks name. I believe since they put
him and they've they've really been high flying offense. I
like Louisville lay in three and a half against Kentucky.
Kentucky talk, what's up?
Speaker 3 (45:01):
I'm going Kentucky in that one. Kentucky.
Speaker 4 (45:05):
I think Louisville finally is the better team and they've
lost like ten street or something crazy, So I think
this is where you can finally be like, let's let's
stop this team that kills us at the end of
the year every year from the Big Bad SEC When
I think Mark Stoops checked out the minute he didn't
get the Texas A and M job out of this season,
so I think that's what happened down there. And then
(45:28):
I'm going with Florida. Lay the points with Florida. Florida
State stinks, give me all fourteen and a half. I'll
lay them with the Gators, and then one last one.
I'm sorry to Nick McClay, I'm going with k State
plus three. I do think K State is going to
keep that game closed. I don't get why Iowa State
is like ranked above some of the other.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
Somehow that's the top twenty five game after the last
few weeks. I don't get.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
It's insane. Yeah, I don't think Iowa State it's like good,
Like thirty one to twenty eight against Utah, I was
not impressed, Like they lost to Kansas by more than
BYU lost to Kansas and got penalized less for it,
Like they lost to a Texas Tech team that I
don't think is good. I just I don't they beat
UCF who's bad by three points, Like I don't think
(46:16):
Iostate is good. So I don't want them to make
the Big twelve championship. That's part of me betting on
k State here. But I do think Case State is
probably just the better team that's played a little bit
of a tougher schedule.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
I'm taking Notre Dame too, minus seven and a half mark.
Speaker 4 (46:30):
Sorry line, scary man.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
Last time they didn't cover line.
Speaker 4 (46:38):
If they lose to USC, to ruin this season and
then they get.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
If they used to If they lose the USC, at
least next week's show is going to be pretty good
if they lose to USC.
Speaker 4 (46:48):
If this season, this will be my least favorite Notre
Dame season of all time, over over some bad, bad
Notre Dames.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
But if it lose to USC, I'll get you a
Riley Leonard Duke Jersey to wear with.
Speaker 4 (47:06):
Duke upgraded a quarterback. That's the sad part they did.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
They absolutely did. He thank you next year, Hey he
might be you never know what the way they've been
plucking a SEC quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (47:21):
I'll take it. Duke to Notre Dame pipeline.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
Well, thank you everybody for tuning in. Ryan Beef, Coyle,
Barker Junior. I'm Joe Tansey. We'll be back next week
with a Championship weekend preview. Best of luck, on your
beds and eat all the turkey. In the world. Good luck.
Everyone spreads total and all the prop that's in the Twins.
It's the gambler.
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