July 2, 2025 • 25 mins
Charlie Strickland, Talon Training Group, weighed-in on the Michigan church shooting, as well as other stories in the news and offered some important considerations for your personal safety.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
And here we go. It is the third hour and
it's the first Wednesday of the month. It's July second show,
fifty four six of the Morning Show with Preston Scott.
He's Jose, I'm Preston and this, Ladies and Gentlemen is
the one and only Charlie Strickland of the Talent Training Group,
co host of Talent Outdoors.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hello, good morning, how are you. I'm doing fantastic.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Tell everybody about the camo because I was just telling
you the camo is is that's sporty stuff that looks good.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Somebody coming on We were wearing camo and on one
of our TikTok videos from our show and somebody said
it was what credit? I mean? Oh man?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Was it was?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
It's rough. You put yourself out there on that and
you get some insults. And I said, that's coming from
somebody wearing camouflages inside and I was thinking, so what
do you take yours off when you go inside? Or
what are you trying to say? No, but this is
a game Guard brand of shirts to Texas and we like, uh,
the put our logos on theaseily real comfortable, and we'd
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sell the brand. It's the only thing only clothing. We
sell our stores branded stuff for talent. We're not trying
to get into clothing business. But uh, they had this
Texas version of Camo that we saw on one of
our hunting trips and and I didn't really like that
that version, and it came out with this digital version
and it's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
It's it's unlike a lot of Camo that I've seen,
because a lot of Camo is big, broad patterns. This
is more intricate, right, more detailed.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
It's just it's different.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
It's like brush. It's a brush cameo.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, it's it's it's the digital camos are have a
different visual look. I mean, actually, I'm just using a
lot of words. Whatever. It looks cool. Yeah, how about that?
Speaker 1 (01:48):
It does looks good.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
And uh, we did the Hunter Orange logo on it.
It's just where are we talking about?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Well, because we are we a renaissance show, we talk
about anything and everything around.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Oh man, let's talk about hurting people. Yeah, especially bad
people in particular. I don't want to hurt anybody else.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I was just talking about and I don't know if
you caught it on the way in the Story of
a Pastor in Arizona that literally a guy broke into
his home and crucified him. I heard that and had
a hit list of other pastors.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I know.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
There is intelligence that I got I was privy to
that showed that there is active surveillance going on inside
Christian churches large and small across the country from people
that are just simply surveilling what the church does and
how they do it. We don't know why, it's just happening.
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And then we have the active shooter situation in Michigan.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Well, there's a fine line between religious fanaticism and mental illness.
I mean, there's strong beliefs for one thing, but when
you want to hurt other people for them and you're
doing that, I mean, same thing on the right and
the left. I mean, there are crazy people everywhere, and
mental illness is a crisis in this country, and we
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don't people. We don't put people away anymore. We don't
hospitalize them and pull them out of society. We leave
them roaming the streets, living in homeless camps and living
in neighborhoods.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
And the number was seventy six percent of the people
homeless in the country are dealing with mental health issues.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
And they roam the streets of Tallahasseelans County every day
all day and they're violent and people go, oh, poor them. Yeah,
well poor you if you're not careful, because you know,
you never know what's going to flip the switch. Yes,
and in the Michigan shooting, you know they're saying, well that, well,
we believe this meant this man suffered from mental illness.
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Well yeah, you think. I mean, he didn't leave any
kind of he didn't leave anything behind to explain what
his political agenda was. He remember, he'd been there a
few times and he and you say, okay, well we
have a church security team. Anybody that goes here, they
would never come here because they would know that we
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have a church security team. Well he probably should have
known that, and he picked a fight that he was
that they were ready for. And see, that's what encourages me.
I mean, the tragedy of the event and the events
like this, and it was a Southerland Springs thinks, you know,
and that's what this guy was trying to emulate. He
was going back and that's this these you see things,
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and that's why I don't like to publicize names and faces.
And thank you to that because I used I used
the faces of my active shooter courses to show that
there there's a variety of people, but I don't we
never say their name. So he saw what happened out there,
and I think he was trying to emulate that because
he set it up the same way. I'm going in
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with a long gun and a handgun body armor. I'm
going I'm going to shoot up front of the church
and I'm going to make entry. Well, he didn't get
that opportunity because those people in that particular church were ready.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Let's talk about that Michigan situation, because in this case
there were active members of the security team that were involved,
but also a deacon that just was late to.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Church absolutely showed up, saw a person with a long gun,
of handgun and body armor going towards the church and
start shooting at the church and said, you know what,
I may not have a gun, but I've got a
four thousand pound full wheel weapon here. People just need
you need to understand that when deadly forces justified deadly
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force of any kind, I mean you can drop a
bomb on them if you had one. You get in
trouble for having the bomb, But you know, ATF may
get involved, but the fact is is deadly force is
deadly force. Running someone over with the vehicle is a
very very viable option for you if such situation presents itself,
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and in this case, it did. I will tell you that.
I mean, I am very armed, and I am very trained,
and I am very prepared to help out in a situation.
But I mean, I know, you know, situational awareness, and
I go over things in my head, and I'm still
a law enforcement officer, and I still think like a
cop and always will even when I decide I don't
want those standards anymore. And I think about it. If
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I'm driving down the interstate and I see a trooper
up ahead and he's involved in a shooting and he's
taking cover behind his car, and there's somebody there shooting
at the trooper, I'm running that dude over. I've already
played it over in my head. I know what I'm
gonna do. I mean, And that's that's how you react
quickly as you think about it. I wonder if that
person at the church that hero saved countless lives by intervening.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Were children performing a children's program.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah, And so I wonder had that person ever thought
about that situation or did they just pull that out
of the air when the time occurred. I'm thinking that
he probably considered it before, because it's hard to come
up with stuff like that on the spur of the moment,
it really is. I mean, so, I think that person
probably had considered what would I do if? And so
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for all of the listeners out there, what would you
do if something like that occurred? And are you what
are you prepared to do to save lives? And what
are you physically and mentally prepared to do in any
situation that might come up? And I don't want you
to beat yourself up and walk around thinking, oh my lord,
what would I do if I go, you know, sitting
in a movie theater? What would Yeah? But I do
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want you to consider the fact that where's the exit?
How many people are between you and there are you
close to? What? Do you? You know? Just just go
over it and then you get that pencil, that peace
of mind knowing that I have a plan, and you
can then relax a little bit and go I mean, yeah,
I sit in a restaurant with sort of facing the doors,
I sort of see what's coming and going I'm not
freaked out. I'm not being paranoid exactly. I just now
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can settle in and feel a little more peaceful and
a little more relaxed, and i can enjoy my time
with my family because now I'm not concerned about what
was that noise I'm having to look over my shoulder.
I mean, it's not a paranoid life style. It's a
prepared lifestyle. And in churches, everybody in a church should
should be ready for that in case.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
In the case of this shooting in Michigan, what's interesting
to me is not just the actions of the deacon
that hit him with the truck, but that that wasn't
all that ended it. The guy survived being hit by
the truck and was preparing to fire again, and that's
when the security team dispatched him.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Right. And if your church or your temple, or your
synagogue or whatever your house of worship is, if you
don't have an armed security team, then you are just
waiting to be a victim, or if you don't have security.
I have a security company and we work security at
local places houses of worship. And then there are the
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people hire off duty law enforcement, and people have armed
teams as you very well know. And if you don't
have those things in place, it's like the school guardian
program would mean, if you don't have armed people in
the schools, if you don't have if you don't if
you if you hire security to work your business, and
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you want I want unarmed security. Why you just want
somebody to get shot first? Because it's not gonna stop anything.
It's not. It doesn't, it doesn't do anything. And I
struggle with the concept. You know, I teach active shooter
all the time for large organizations. And right now, with
everything going on, we're getting phone call.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
And we are back Charlie Strickland of the Talent Training
Group with me our personal defense segment. We're talking about
the active shooters scenario in Michigan. What are specifics you said,
You've been getting plenty of calls, and I don't doubt
that at all. This segment sort of started based on
all of that.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yes it did. And thank you for all of the
all of the publicity over the years, because it's you know,
I remember when this started with you. It was it
was it was just an idea to start talking about
how people could be safer in the community and over all,
of these years, and it's been a lot of years. Yeah,
I like to think we've made a difference in a
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few people's lives. And certainly, you know, so what happened
after the FSU situation and the Michigan situation is that
and now you've got dambush firefighters and all this going
to You've got constantly and I part of my presentation
when I do active shooter training, and here's the thing is,
you can get active shooter training in a thirty minute
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video online. You run hide fight there. You got that.
I saved you twenty nine minutes right there in forty
five seconds. You just run, hide, slash, barricade fight. That's
the jest of it. And you can bring in law
enforcement agencies and they do a fine job. I do
a less sanitized version. Yeah, you do a little less
politically correct. I'm not offensive, don't get me wrong. But
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I talk about the things you have to do in
real life. And I talk about situational awareness, and I
talk about mental preparedness, and I talk about threat to
and I talk about what happens to us in critical
incident stress. All the things that we've covered over on
the show over the years and I try to cram
it into ninety minutes. I've got one organization wants in
an hour. Some I talk fast, but I'm going to
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cover all the material. And you know it's it's from nonprofits.
I've said in my I've sat in my studio and
did nine states worth of nonprofits in a zoom meeting
one time for for active futer training.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
It's mind if I laugh at that for a second,
I'm going to make fun of whoever the group is
it says they want it in an hour. That was
much to help us save our lives. But we need
you to do it.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
It's it's a scheduling issue and it's takes a half hour.
But I can, I can, I can. I can do it.
I just have to cut out the jokes and the
and the and the good times, and I have to
focus on the task at hand. But I've done it before.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
What are the most important considerations? There are people listening
right now. They're part of houses of worship, They're part
of businesses and organizations that really need to be thinking
about this, and probably are. Whether they're talking about it
is another.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Story somebody there is.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
So what what are the first considerations.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
For let's okay, focus on houses of worship. First, you've
got to get past whoever is in charge of this organization,
be it a pastor some You've got to talk to
that person and try to get buy into the fact
that we need to protect this house of worship. We
need to protect our own. There are people there that
can't protect themselves. We owe it to them. Period. So
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once you can get the idea that we need to
do something, then you need to make a decision. There's
three ways you can go about this. One you can
hire law enforcement to be there. If you have the
budget and the size of an organization to do that.
It's probably north of fifty bucks an hour. Now you're
getting somebody in on a Sunday or whatever day you're at.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Well, you really need you need more than someone, You
need more people.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Yeah, and that's yours. That's plan A A uniform presence,
you know, be it armed security or law enforcement. I
mean you can those are your hire a mercenary to
come protect your place. That's what you're doing. You're getting
us older a fortune to come in there and get
paid to protect your house of worship. But that's just
the outer perimeter, Okay, But if you don't want to
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go that router, you can't afford to spend the money,
then what you need to be doing is building your
own safety team. Now, is this team going to be
armed or unarmed? Well, if it's unarmed, you probably quit
listening to converse. You probably don't listen to this show
because your mindset is somewhere else. And if you're not
willing to arm yourself to protect, if you're not willing
to protect the lives of people by taking a life,
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then you know we're not okay. Get you some bare
spray and put stack five people at the door and
tackle anybody. You don't know. I don't know what else
to tell you. I mean, it's dangerous. But once you've
approached the subject and you've decided we're going to do
something with armed citizenry in here within the organization needs
to just think about are we going to do this
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as an organization and get insurance and do all this,
or are we going to have an informal team who
is going to do this on their own, which is
perfectly fine, not endorsed by the organization, So we don't
have to worry about the the the insurance now, because
it doesn't matter in the criminal courts one way or
the other. Use of forces, use of force, it's justified.
The it's not in castle doctrine. Stands your ground. Castle
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doctrine is not going to apply to church. It's going
to be standing your ground. Were you in reasonable fear
of death and great bodily harm, you know, for yourself,
for others, and did you act reasonably under the circumstances.
I mean, that's that's it's fairly simple. And once you
decide that we're going to do something, then you need
to have a conversation with that team, have someone in
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charge coordinate training, talk about what your policies are, talk
about how you're going to encounter people who are not
offering lethal force. You know, how you're going to de escalate,
how you're There's all these things you get into and
it's a long conversation. But you know, once you've broached
the subject of how are we going to approach this,
then you start putting the pieces of the puzzle. Now
we can help with that. I mean, advice is free.
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I mean training costs money, but advice is free. And
plus we'll still go out and look at your place
and give you some ideas. I mean, you always call
and talk to us. I mean, I'm happy to give advice.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Let's get to it. Thirty six past the hour Charlie
Strickland two more segments here in our personal defense. We've
got a question we're going to get to in just
a few minutes. But first I shared with Charlie a
news article from Fox News and something we talked about
a few weeks ago on the show. And it's this
new trend of jugging, is what they're calling it. But
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it's just the same old thing, just doing it again.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yeah, that's a term that I think on our show,
Fred would have a good time with.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
I'm sure Fred would have a good time.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Sending to gutter. So yeah, so it's nothing new. It's
just that it's a trend and they've come up with
a term for it, and it's like anything. And here's
the danger. So what this is is people watch you
go to an ATM or a bank or somewhere where
you're retrieving a bunch of money, and they follow you somewhere.
So it's not at a protected area where there's a
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lot of cameras, and they will follow you home or
follow you to work or follow you wherever.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
The example in there was to a gas station to
get out of the car and get a soda.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yes, and then they rob you and they steal whatever
cash valuables that you have retrieved, and that's that's a burglary.
It's an arm robbery. It's and then the thing is
it doesn't always include use of force. You get out
of your car and walk over to do something, they
jump in your car and grab whatever you had, whatever
you left there. And so there's nothing new about this,
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but the fact that it's a trend and it's now
has a name that's going to catch on and people
it's like the TikTok challenges and the stupid stuff that
people do because they see it online or they hear
about it. And when we publicize stuff like this, you know,
like you know, the news media making a big deal
out of it. Hey, it's this new robbery trend. Well,
it's going to be a trend now because it's in
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the news. You know, it's it's it just it could
have been a local thing, but it'll it'll the And
then that you say, this is something that's like active
shooter stuff. You know, Hey, I want to outdo that. Guy.
That guy. So yeah, this is this will be a
new term. So to combat it, well, first off, be
aware that it's going on.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I was just going to say, this is what we've
said from the beginning of these segments, situational awareness.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Just be aware of what's going on. First off, Yeah,
this is happening. Okay. The same thing with being bumped
in traffic and pulling into a parking lot and somebody
running up and robbing you. All they did was bump
you to get you to pull over because you were
required by law to pull over and exchange information. They
run up and rob you or steal your car and
put you out in the street. And that happens, and
you know, it used to happen a lot more, but
it still goes on in this country. And all these
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things happen in phases. The one thing that does happen
almost daily in this community is people leaving firearms in
their car and they're not locking their car up and
they're getting their firearms stolen. So you know, lock your
vehicle and take your gun into your house, and so
this stuff you need to be looking around you. And
if you go and you handle cash on a regular basis,
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My Stepmam used to work at the phone company Marian
and at the end of the month, everybody would come
in and pay their phone bill and she would walk
three buildings down to go to the night drop after
hours with both one hundred thousand dollars in an envelope.
And I'm like, if I ever get broke, I know
where I'm going to go. You know. So you've got
to be aware of the situation you're in, and then
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you need to look around and need to be you
need to see it. Is somebody following me out of
parking lot, is somebody watching me? It's you know, with you?
And then what are you justified in doing? Keep in
mind you're justified and using deadly force or someone's committing
an armed felon, a violent felony against you. An armed
robbery is in fact, that burglary of your vehicle while
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you're in it. They're attempting or to force an unlawfully
enter you're occupied conveyance. Deadly force is authorized. Maybe you
don't shoot them, but you can drive away and if
you run over their foot, so be it. And we'll
be looking for the limping guy. I mean, you know,
put out a bolo for the guy with a limp.
So look around you and pay attention. I mean, that's
how you combat this. Law enforcement's gonna catch these folks,
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but it's up to you. Only you can prevent arm robberies.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Situational awareness.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
It's a common theme. We're going to make a record
and have somebody put music to it. Get Billy Dean
to put some music to it. Situational awareness. Charlie jd
JD and pressed, Oh, what a trio.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
That would be probably listening right now, so probably this
is a time of day.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
JD listens all right, forty one almost forty two minutes
past running a minute late here, that's all right, we
got time. It's my show. As so long as I
don't take time from Glenn Beck, I'm fine. I can
take as much time as I need. Until then, we
are joined by Charlie Strickland of the Talent Training Group.
He co hosts Talon Outdoors, heard Saturdays on these fine
radio stations. And Charlie, we got a phone call, according
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to Jose, from a listener. Jose, what did the listener
want Charlie to address? All right, so the young lady
wanted to know what what does she do with unused
and unwanted ammunition?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Okay, well, there's a couple of solutions. You can turn
it into the sheriff's office and they will destroy it
for you. Okay if you just I mean.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Is old? How old is old?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Am Well? Another thing you can do. You can bring
it to us and we'll take care of it for you.
We'll destroy it. We're not going to resell it or
give it to anybody else, but we'll look at it
if it's worth shooting, and we'll use it for training
or something. But you know, nine times out of ten
that stuff comes in and we dispose of it ourselves.
So it's not age, it's conditioned. Okay. If it's stored inside,
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it can be very old and still be good. If
it's not exposed to humidity and the elements and the
boxes haven't gotten wet. You know, it's humidity and oil.
If it doesn't have oil on it, then it's probably
gonna be fine for a long, long, long time.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Help me out with the humidity quotion here. If someone's
storing it in their garage, it's not exposed to it's
in an enclosed space with air moving. Maybe they've got
a fan or something in the garage. Is that low
humidity enough.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Probably because you know, if it's if it's like reloaded stuff,
it may not hold up as well. A lot of
factory AMMO is going to be fine. Yeah, okay, you
know because it's it's not like. One of the worst
things for AMMO is to like have excessive oil on
your primers. You know, gun solvent things like that. When
you're cleaning your gun. You want to take the ammunition
out of magazines. When you know, when you're cleaning the magazine,
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if you're not cleaning the magazine, you don't have to
take it out of magazine, but you don't want you
don't want excessive oil on the on the face, where
the in the chamber, where the round, especially where the
primer is and of the bolt face. A lot of
times you'll have accessive oil and stuff that gets on
the primer and over time it can seep into where
the primer parcket is and can make that not work properly.
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So I've stored AMMO and the attic and the garage.
I wouldn't reckon been putting it in a hot, hot attic,
but you know, mine's different.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
But for the questioner. The bottom line is you can
get rid of it through law enforcement or take it
to the telling outfitters. Bring it to us, we'll get
rid of it the ranger the store either.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Either it doesn't matter either either whichever.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
All right, training tip, So follow range rules.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I mean when when so this is this is when
you draw it out of me. Things we talk about
on the break that I don't want to talk about
on the show, but you have to talk about this, okay.
So the range rules are there for a reason. Don't
shoot steel the target frames, don't. I mean, use your sights.
If you got a long gun, make sure you're using
your sights and not just I had a guy one
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time with a battery went dead on his red dot
site and he just started shooting down range and cranking
rounds into the ground and over the berm and you know,
and it was it was one of those There was
a rear inche and it went on down there. And
I hate doing that to grown men. But when you
do something that's silly, you know, eye protection people get injured.
Sometimes guns blow up, you know, especially if you're doing
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your own hand loads. Wear closed collar shirts particularly. We've
had a couple of situations that I'm very I'm familiar
with where someone their wives didn't wear a closed collar
shirt and there's something called cleavage and a hot round
down there will make you do silly things, and that
happens regularly. I know of a couple instances where someone
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suffered a book a gunshot wound because their wife had
that happen. You're kidding, No, not kidding.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
So the discharge shell went inside the cleavage and the
reaction to it's hot, yeah, okay, and the reaction to
that caused the discharge.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Well, I don't know what it feels like to get
a hot round in my cleavage, but I do know
what a piece of hot steel when I'm wedding feels like,
and it'll let me do stupid things and having a
gun in my hands not that's not a good time
for that.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
So people have been accidentally shot, yes.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah, And I mean people have been sho drawing from
their holster, reholstering, their finger on the trigger. There's so
many ways as you can injure yourself or your spouse,
so just be careful, follow the rules. Finger off the trigger, okay.
When when when we have people come out and we
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look and it's not necessarily a thing with guys, but
with ladies it is. We want you, we want to
wear a closed collar shirt, but we're not going to
We're not gonna make you. And I certainly don't want
to pick one out at the range and go, ma'am
you need I'm not because then the husband goes, why
are you looking? Well, I'm just trying to save you
from being injured shot if that occurs, you know, and
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it's absolutely you know, I totally get it, but things happen,
So follow range rules.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Thank you, appreciate you coming in. Good to see.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
You, good, see thank you.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
It's just gonna wait long enough for you to offer
that one. See the clock. I don't know what's going
on over It's like I'm believing you. We're gonna we're
gonna talk. Another'd say good you too, but I wasn't sure.
All right, Charlie Strickland with us from the Talent Training
Group our personal Defense segment here on The Morning Show
with Preston Scott
And here we go. It is the third hour and
it's the first Wednesday of the month. It's July second show,
fifty four six of the Morning Show with Preston Scott.
He's Jose, I'm Preston and this, Ladies and Gentlemen is
the one and only Charlie Strickland of the Talent Training Group,
co host of Talent Outdoors.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hello, good morning, how are you. I'm doing fantastic.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Tell everybody about the camo because I was just telling
you the camo is is that's sporty stuff that looks good.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Somebody coming on We were wearing camo and on one
of our TikTok videos from our show and somebody said
it was what credit? I mean? Oh man?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Was it was?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
It's rough. You put yourself out there on that and
you get some insults. And I said, that's coming from
somebody wearing camouflages inside and I was thinking, so what
do you take yours off when you go inside? Or
what are you trying to say? No, but this is
a game Guard brand of shirts to Texas and we like, uh,
the put our logos on theaseily real comfortable, and we'd
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sell the brand. It's the only thing only clothing. We
sell our stores branded stuff for talent. We're not trying
to get into clothing business. But uh, they had this
Texas version of Camo that we saw on one of
our hunting trips and and I didn't really like that
that version, and it came out with this digital version
and it's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
It's it's unlike a lot of Camo that I've seen,
because a lot of Camo is big, broad patterns. This
is more intricate, right, more detailed.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
It's just it's different.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
It's like brush. It's a brush cameo.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, it's it's it's the digital camos are have a
different visual look. I mean, actually, I'm just using a
lot of words. Whatever. It looks cool. Yeah, how about that?
Speaker 1 (01:48):
It does looks good.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
And uh, we did the Hunter Orange logo on it.
It's just where are we talking about?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Well, because we are we a renaissance show, we talk
about anything and everything around.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Oh man, let's talk about hurting people. Yeah, especially bad
people in particular. I don't want to hurt anybody else.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I was just talking about and I don't know if
you caught it on the way in the Story of
a Pastor in Arizona that literally a guy broke into
his home and crucified him. I heard that and had
a hit list of other pastors.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I know.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
There is intelligence that I got I was privy to
that showed that there is active surveillance going on inside
Christian churches large and small across the country from people
that are just simply surveilling what the church does and
how they do it. We don't know why, it's just happening.
(02:46):
And then we have the active shooter situation in Michigan.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Well, there's a fine line between religious fanaticism and mental illness.
I mean, there's strong beliefs for one thing, but when
you want to hurt other people for them and you're
doing that, I mean, same thing on the right and
the left. I mean, there are crazy people everywhere, and
mental illness is a crisis in this country, and we
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don't people. We don't put people away anymore. We don't
hospitalize them and pull them out of society. We leave
them roaming the streets, living in homeless camps and living
in neighborhoods.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
And the number was seventy six percent of the people
homeless in the country are dealing with mental health issues.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
And they roam the streets of Tallahasseelans County every day
all day and they're violent and people go, oh, poor them. Yeah,
well poor you if you're not careful, because you know,
you never know what's going to flip the switch. Yes,
and in the Michigan shooting, you know they're saying, well that, well,
we believe this meant this man suffered from mental illness.
(03:45):
Well yeah, you think. I mean, he didn't leave any
kind of he didn't leave anything behind to explain what
his political agenda was. He remember, he'd been there a
few times and he and you say, okay, well we
have a church security team. Anybody that goes here, they
would never come here because they would know that we
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have a church security team. Well he probably should have
known that, and he picked a fight that he was
that they were ready for. And see, that's what encourages me.
I mean, the tragedy of the event and the events
like this, and it was a Southerland Springs thinks, you know,
and that's what this guy was trying to emulate. He
was going back and that's this these you see things,
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and that's why I don't like to publicize names and faces.
And thank you to that because I used I used
the faces of my active shooter courses to show that
there there's a variety of people, but I don't we
never say their name. So he saw what happened out there,
and I think he was trying to emulate that because
he set it up the same way. I'm going in
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with a long gun and a handgun body armor. I'm
going I'm going to shoot up front of the church
and I'm going to make entry. Well, he didn't get
that opportunity because those people in that particular church were ready.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Let's talk about that Michigan situation, because in this case
there were active members of the security team that were involved,
but also a deacon that just was late to.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Church absolutely showed up, saw a person with a long gun,
of handgun and body armor going towards the church and
start shooting at the church and said, you know what,
I may not have a gun, but I've got a
four thousand pound full wheel weapon here. People just need
you need to understand that when deadly forces justified deadly
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force of any kind, I mean you can drop a
bomb on them if you had one. You get in
trouble for having the bomb, But you know, ATF may
get involved, but the fact is is deadly force is
deadly force. Running someone over with the vehicle is a
very very viable option for you if such situation presents itself,
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and in this case, it did. I will tell you that.
I mean, I am very armed, and I am very trained,
and I am very prepared to help out in a situation.
But I mean, I know, you know, situational awareness, and
I go over things in my head, and I'm still
a law enforcement officer, and I still think like a
cop and always will even when I decide I don't
want those standards anymore. And I think about it. If
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I'm driving down the interstate and I see a trooper
up ahead and he's involved in a shooting and he's
taking cover behind his car, and there's somebody there shooting
at the trooper, I'm running that dude over. I've already
played it over in my head. I know what I'm
gonna do. I mean, And that's that's how you react
quickly as you think about it. I wonder if that
person at the church that hero saved countless lives by intervening.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Were children performing a children's program.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah, And so I wonder had that person ever thought
about that situation or did they just pull that out
of the air when the time occurred. I'm thinking that
he probably considered it before, because it's hard to come
up with stuff like that on the spur of the moment,
it really is. I mean, so, I think that person
probably had considered what would I do if? And so
(07:05):
for all of the listeners out there, what would you
do if something like that occurred? And are you what
are you prepared to do to save lives? And what
are you physically and mentally prepared to do in any
situation that might come up? And I don't want you
to beat yourself up and walk around thinking, oh my lord,
what would I do if I go, you know, sitting
in a movie theater? What would Yeah? But I do
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want you to consider the fact that where's the exit?
How many people are between you and there are you
close to? What? Do you? You know? Just just go
over it and then you get that pencil, that peace
of mind knowing that I have a plan, and you
can then relax a little bit and go I mean, yeah,
I sit in a restaurant with sort of facing the doors,
I sort of see what's coming and going I'm not
freaked out. I'm not being paranoid exactly. I just now
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can settle in and feel a little more peaceful and
a little more relaxed, and i can enjoy my time
with my family because now I'm not concerned about what
was that noise I'm having to look over my shoulder.
I mean, it's not a paranoid life style. It's a
prepared lifestyle. And in churches, everybody in a church should
should be ready for that in case.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
In the case of this shooting in Michigan, what's interesting
to me is not just the actions of the deacon
that hit him with the truck, but that that wasn't
all that ended it. The guy survived being hit by
the truck and was preparing to fire again, and that's
when the security team dispatched him.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Right. And if your church or your temple, or your
synagogue or whatever your house of worship is, if you
don't have an armed security team, then you are just
waiting to be a victim, or if you don't have security.
I have a security company and we work security at
local places houses of worship. And then there are the
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people hire off duty law enforcement, and people have armed
teams as you very well know. And if you don't
have those things in place, it's like the school guardian
program would mean, if you don't have armed people in
the schools, if you don't have if you don't if
you if you hire security to work your business, and
(09:04):
you want I want unarmed security. Why you just want
somebody to get shot first? Because it's not gonna stop anything.
It's not. It doesn't, it doesn't do anything. And I
struggle with the concept. You know, I teach active shooter
all the time for large organizations. And right now, with
everything going on, we're getting phone call.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
And we are back Charlie Strickland of the Talent Training
Group with me our personal defense segment. We're talking about
the active shooters scenario in Michigan. What are specifics you said,
You've been getting plenty of calls, and I don't doubt
that at all. This segment sort of started based on
all of that.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yes it did. And thank you for all of the
all of the publicity over the years, because it's you know,
I remember when this started with you. It was it
was it was just an idea to start talking about
how people could be safer in the community and over all,
of these years, and it's been a lot of years. Yeah,
I like to think we've made a difference in a
(10:08):
few people's lives. And certainly, you know, so what happened
after the FSU situation and the Michigan situation is that
and now you've got dambush firefighters and all this going
to You've got constantly and I part of my presentation
when I do active shooter training, and here's the thing is,
you can get active shooter training in a thirty minute
(10:29):
video online. You run hide fight there. You got that.
I saved you twenty nine minutes right there in forty
five seconds. You just run, hide, slash, barricade fight. That's
the jest of it. And you can bring in law
enforcement agencies and they do a fine job. I do
a less sanitized version. Yeah, you do a little less
politically correct. I'm not offensive, don't get me wrong. But
(10:50):
I talk about the things you have to do in
real life. And I talk about situational awareness, and I
talk about mental preparedness, and I talk about threat to
and I talk about what happens to us in critical
incident stress. All the things that we've covered over on
the show over the years and I try to cram
it into ninety minutes. I've got one organization wants in
an hour. Some I talk fast, but I'm going to
(11:11):
cover all the material. And you know it's it's from nonprofits.
I've said in my I've sat in my studio and
did nine states worth of nonprofits in a zoom meeting
one time for for active futer training.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
It's mind if I laugh at that for a second,
I'm going to make fun of whoever the group is
it says they want it in an hour. That was
much to help us save our lives. But we need
you to do it.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
It's it's a scheduling issue and it's takes a half hour.
But I can, I can, I can. I can do it.
I just have to cut out the jokes and the
and the and the good times, and I have to
focus on the task at hand. But I've done it before.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
What are the most important considerations? There are people listening
right now. They're part of houses of worship, They're part
of businesses and organizations that really need to be thinking
about this, and probably are. Whether they're talking about it
is another.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Story somebody there is.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
So what what are the first considerations.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
For let's okay, focus on houses of worship. First, you've
got to get past whoever is in charge of this organization,
be it a pastor some You've got to talk to
that person and try to get buy into the fact
that we need to protect this house of worship. We
need to protect our own. There are people there that
can't protect themselves. We owe it to them. Period. So
(12:27):
once you can get the idea that we need to
do something, then you need to make a decision. There's
three ways you can go about this. One you can
hire law enforcement to be there. If you have the
budget and the size of an organization to do that.
It's probably north of fifty bucks an hour. Now you're
getting somebody in on a Sunday or whatever day you're at.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Well, you really need you need more than someone, You
need more people.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Yeah, and that's yours. That's plan A A uniform presence,
you know, be it armed security or law enforcement. I
mean you can those are your hire a mercenary to
come protect your place. That's what you're doing. You're getting
us older a fortune to come in there and get
paid to protect your house of worship. But that's just
the outer perimeter, Okay, But if you don't want to
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go that router, you can't afford to spend the money,
then what you need to be doing is building your
own safety team. Now, is this team going to be
armed or unarmed? Well, if it's unarmed, you probably quit
listening to converse. You probably don't listen to this show
because your mindset is somewhere else. And if you're not
willing to arm yourself to protect, if you're not willing
to protect the lives of people by taking a life,
(13:34):
then you know we're not okay. Get you some bare
spray and put stack five people at the door and
tackle anybody. You don't know. I don't know what else
to tell you. I mean, it's dangerous. But once you've
approached the subject and you've decided we're going to do
something with armed citizenry in here within the organization needs
to just think about are we going to do this
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as an organization and get insurance and do all this,
or are we going to have an informal team who
is going to do this on their own, which is
perfectly fine, not endorsed by the organization, So we don't
have to worry about the the the insurance now, because
it doesn't matter in the criminal courts one way or
the other. Use of forces, use of force, it's justified.
The it's not in castle doctrine. Stands your ground. Castle
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doctrine is not going to apply to church. It's going
to be standing your ground. Were you in reasonable fear
of death and great bodily harm, you know, for yourself,
for others, and did you act reasonably under the circumstances.
I mean, that's that's it's fairly simple. And once you
decide that we're going to do something, then you need
to have a conversation with that team, have someone in
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charge coordinate training, talk about what your policies are, talk
about how you're going to encounter people who are not
offering lethal force. You know, how you're going to de escalate,
how you're There's all these things you get into and
it's a long conversation. But you know, once you've broached
the subject of how are we going to approach this,
then you start putting the pieces of the puzzle. Now
we can help with that. I mean, advice is free.
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I mean training costs money, but advice is free. And
plus we'll still go out and look at your place
and give you some ideas. I mean, you always call
and talk to us. I mean, I'm happy to give advice.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Let's get to it. Thirty six past the hour Charlie
Strickland two more segments here in our personal defense. We've
got a question we're going to get to in just
a few minutes. But first I shared with Charlie a
news article from Fox News and something we talked about
a few weeks ago on the show. And it's this
new trend of jugging, is what they're calling it. But
(15:35):
it's just the same old thing, just doing it again.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yeah, that's a term that I think on our show,
Fred would have a good time with.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
I'm sure Fred would have a good time.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Sending to gutter. So yeah, so it's nothing new. It's
just that it's a trend and they've come up with
a term for it, and it's like anything. And here's
the danger. So what this is is people watch you
go to an ATM or a bank or somewhere where
you're retrieving a bunch of money, and they follow you somewhere.
So it's not at a protected area where there's a
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lot of cameras, and they will follow you home or
follow you to work or follow you wherever.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
The example in there was to a gas station to
get out of the car and get a soda.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yes, and then they rob you and they steal whatever
cash valuables that you have retrieved, and that's that's a burglary.
It's an arm robbery. It's and then the thing is
it doesn't always include use of force. You get out
of your car and walk over to do something, they
jump in your car and grab whatever you had, whatever
you left there. And so there's nothing new about this,
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but the fact that it's a trend and it's now
has a name that's going to catch on and people
it's like the TikTok challenges and the stupid stuff that
people do because they see it online or they hear
about it. And when we publicize stuff like this, you know,
like you know, the news media making a big deal
out of it. Hey, it's this new robbery trend. Well,
it's going to be a trend now because it's in
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the news. You know, it's it's it just it could
have been a local thing, but it'll it'll the And
then that you say, this is something that's like active
shooter stuff. You know, Hey, I want to outdo that. Guy.
That guy. So yeah, this is this will be a
new term. So to combat it, well, first off, be
aware that it's going on.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I was just going to say, this is what we've
said from the beginning of these segments, situational awareness.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Just be aware of what's going on. First off, Yeah,
this is happening. Okay. The same thing with being bumped
in traffic and pulling into a parking lot and somebody
running up and robbing you. All they did was bump
you to get you to pull over because you were
required by law to pull over and exchange information. They
run up and rob you or steal your car and
put you out in the street. And that happens, and
you know, it used to happen a lot more, but
it still goes on in this country. And all these
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things happen in phases. The one thing that does happen
almost daily in this community is people leaving firearms in
their car and they're not locking their car up and
they're getting their firearms stolen. So you know, lock your
vehicle and take your gun into your house, and so
this stuff you need to be looking around you. And
if you go and you handle cash on a regular basis,
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My Stepmam used to work at the phone company Marian
and at the end of the month, everybody would come
in and pay their phone bill and she would walk
three buildings down to go to the night drop after
hours with both one hundred thousand dollars in an envelope.
And I'm like, if I ever get broke, I know
where I'm going to go. You know. So you've got
to be aware of the situation you're in, and then
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you need to look around and need to be you
need to see it. Is somebody following me out of
parking lot, is somebody watching me? It's you know, with you?
And then what are you justified in doing? Keep in
mind you're justified and using deadly force or someone's committing
an armed felon, a violent felony against you. An armed
robbery is in fact, that burglary of your vehicle while
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you're in it. They're attempting or to force an unlawfully
enter you're occupied conveyance. Deadly force is authorized. Maybe you
don't shoot them, but you can drive away and if
you run over their foot, so be it. And we'll
be looking for the limping guy. I mean, you know,
put out a bolo for the guy with a limp.
So look around you and pay attention. I mean, that's
how you combat this. Law enforcement's gonna catch these folks,
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but it's up to you. Only you can prevent arm robberies.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Situational awareness.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
It's a common theme. We're going to make a record
and have somebody put music to it. Get Billy Dean
to put some music to it. Situational awareness. Charlie jd
JD and pressed, Oh, what a trio.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
That would be probably listening right now, so probably this
is a time of day.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
JD listens all right, forty one almost forty two minutes
past running a minute late here, that's all right, we
got time. It's my show. As so long as I
don't take time from Glenn Beck, I'm fine. I can
take as much time as I need. Until then, we
are joined by Charlie Strickland of the Talent Training Group.
He co hosts Talon Outdoors, heard Saturdays on these fine
radio stations. And Charlie, we got a phone call, according
(19:51):
to Jose, from a listener. Jose, what did the listener
want Charlie to address? All right, so the young lady
wanted to know what what does she do with unused
and unwanted ammunition?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Okay, well, there's a couple of solutions. You can turn
it into the sheriff's office and they will destroy it
for you. Okay if you just I mean.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Is old? How old is old?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Am Well? Another thing you can do. You can bring
it to us and we'll take care of it for you.
We'll destroy it. We're not going to resell it or
give it to anybody else, but we'll look at it
if it's worth shooting, and we'll use it for training
or something. But you know, nine times out of ten
that stuff comes in and we dispose of it ourselves.
So it's not age, it's conditioned. Okay. If it's stored inside,
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it can be very old and still be good. If
it's not exposed to humidity and the elements and the
boxes haven't gotten wet. You know, it's humidity and oil.
If it doesn't have oil on it, then it's probably
gonna be fine for a long, long, long time.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Help me out with the humidity quotion here. If someone's
storing it in their garage, it's not exposed to it's
in an enclosed space with air moving. Maybe they've got
a fan or something in the garage. Is that low
humidity enough.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Probably because you know, if it's if it's like reloaded stuff,
it may not hold up as well. A lot of
factory AMMO is going to be fine. Yeah, okay, you
know because it's it's not like. One of the worst
things for AMMO is to like have excessive oil on
your primers. You know, gun solvent things like that. When
you're cleaning your gun. You want to take the ammunition
out of magazines. When you know, when you're cleaning the magazine,
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if you're not cleaning the magazine, you don't have to
take it out of magazine, but you don't want you
don't want excessive oil on the on the face, where
the in the chamber, where the round, especially where the
primer is and of the bolt face. A lot of
times you'll have accessive oil and stuff that gets on
the primer and over time it can seep into where
the primer parcket is and can make that not work properly.
(21:54):
So I've stored AMMO and the attic and the garage.
I wouldn't reckon been putting it in a hot, hot attic,
but you know, mine's different.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
But for the questioner. The bottom line is you can
get rid of it through law enforcement or take it
to the telling outfitters. Bring it to us, we'll get
rid of it the ranger the store either.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Either it doesn't matter either either whichever.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
All right, training tip, So follow range rules.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I mean when when so this is this is when
you draw it out of me. Things we talk about
on the break that I don't want to talk about
on the show, but you have to talk about this, okay.
So the range rules are there for a reason. Don't
shoot steel the target frames, don't. I mean, use your sights.
If you got a long gun, make sure you're using
your sights and not just I had a guy one
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time with a battery went dead on his red dot
site and he just started shooting down range and cranking
rounds into the ground and over the berm and you know,
and it was it was one of those There was
a rear inche and it went on down there. And
I hate doing that to grown men. But when you
do something that's silly, you know, eye protection people get injured.
Sometimes guns blow up, you know, especially if you're doing
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your own hand loads. Wear closed collar shirts particularly. We've
had a couple of situations that I'm very I'm familiar
with where someone their wives didn't wear a closed collar
shirt and there's something called cleavage and a hot round
down there will make you do silly things, and that
happens regularly. I know of a couple instances where someone
(23:25):
suffered a book a gunshot wound because their wife had
that happen. You're kidding, No, not kidding.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
So the discharge shell went inside the cleavage and the
reaction to it's hot, yeah, okay, and the reaction to
that caused the discharge.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Well, I don't know what it feels like to get
a hot round in my cleavage, but I do know
what a piece of hot steel when I'm wedding feels like,
and it'll let me do stupid things and having a
gun in my hands not that's not a good time
for that.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
So people have been accidentally shot, yes.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah, And I mean people have been sho drawing from
their holster, reholstering, their finger on the trigger. There's so
many ways as you can injure yourself or your spouse,
so just be careful, follow the rules. Finger off the trigger, okay.
When when when we have people come out and we
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look and it's not necessarily a thing with guys, but
with ladies it is. We want you, we want to
wear a closed collar shirt, but we're not going to
We're not gonna make you. And I certainly don't want
to pick one out at the range and go, ma'am
you need I'm not because then the husband goes, why
are you looking? Well, I'm just trying to save you
from being injured shot if that occurs, you know, and
(24:38):
it's absolutely you know, I totally get it, but things happen,
So follow range rules.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Thank you, appreciate you coming in. Good to see.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
You, good, see thank you.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
It's just gonna wait long enough for you to offer
that one. See the clock. I don't know what's going
on over It's like I'm believing you. We're gonna we're
gonna talk. Another'd say good you too, but I wasn't sure.
All right, Charlie Strickland with us from the Talent Training
Group our personal Defense segment here on The Morning Show
with Preston Scott
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