October 24, 2025 • 16 mins
It is, singularly, one of the most egregious miscarriages of justice in the history of our nation as the ATF framed this E-6 Navy sailor (set to become a Seal Commander). His story is recalled here with an update from The GunWriter, Lee Williams.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Yeah, buddy, here we go. Second hour radio program effectually
known as Common Sense Amplified. It is the Morning Show
with Me. I am Preston Scott. He is Jose and
it's great to be with you on this Friday. That
of course means it's time. He is the gun Writer.
(00:24):
You can find his work at the gunwriter dot substack
dot com. Lee Williams joins us, Good morning, Lee, how
are you?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Good morning? How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
I'm doing fine, you know, I must say, and I'm
betting you feel the same way that sometimes you almost
feel guilty being in a good place because you look
at what's happened with Patrick Taya Domiak and you're like,
it is so infuriating to read what has happened to
(00:54):
this young man. So before you update everybody on the latest,
reset the story. For those that are new to the
program and haven't heard. Who is Patrick Tay Doomiak.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Well, he was an active duty sailor. He's about to
start his third year of his twenty year federal prison
sentence based on charges that do not exist atf It
tells you everything you want to know about atf they
can come in and charge you and throw you in
federal prison when everything you own is completely legal. He
(01:26):
had a website and was doing pretty well. Actually was
one of the top one hundred sellers of parts not guns.
He sold gun parts atf hooked up with a terrible informant.
The informant bought some stuff from them, which are perfectly legal.
You can buy him online right now today, and he
is in the slam. He was sentenced to twenty years.
(01:49):
They wanted thirty. They wanted to send him to prison
for thirty years. Man has never done anything wrong. In
addition to being maybe e six, He was headed to
seal School in orders to report to San Diego, which
just I cannot tell you how angry that makes.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Me part of this entire prosecution, though in fact most
of it hinged on the literal manufacturing of evidence.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Explain that right, well, once they kicked down all his
doors and searched all his safes, they must have at
some point realized, hey, we got nothing, we've got nothing,
so they put stuff together. They used cut up parts
parts from a PPSh forty one machine gun, which are
not a gun. They charged them with machine guns. They
(02:41):
used RPGs rocket hotel grenade launchers, which were not even
one of them wasn't even made to shoot, it was
just display. They charged them with having rocket launchers and
they put forty millimeter grenade launchers together. He had parts
there that were one hundred percent illegal. They put them
together and they made an unregistered SBR, a short bail rifle.
(03:05):
It's it's just the craziness that they went through to
get him. I mean, the guy sold parts, the parts
he can still buy online right now without any kind
of information.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
And to clarify its crazy lead to clarify the parts
were legal that they took to put together and make
something illegal.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Absolutely correct, sir, Absolutely correct.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
And most of this was done by an ATF Firearms
Enforcement officer named Jeffrey Bodell.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Correct, yes, yes, he turned legal RPGs into destructive devices.
Heate had some very expensive legal semi autos that shot
from an open bolt. I mean we're talking four or
five thousand dollars a pistol. Of course, he called all
of them machine guns, even though he could only get
them to shoot one round. He took a toy sten
(03:58):
and turned it into what he said as a machine.
The thing's a toy. You buy it online for about
one hundred and fifty bucks. It's crazy what this guy did,
and the judges just went okay. I mean, it is
the worst I've ever seen. I've been an investigator reporter
for more than twenty years, as a policeman for ten
before that. I've never seen an innocent man in prison.
(04:20):
This guy needs to get let go. Lee.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
His case ended up finally before the US Court of
Appeals for the Fourth Circuit. How is it possible the
attorneys that you know and have talked to, how is
it possible that they did not order a new trial
given the manufactured evidence.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Well, I talked to Matt Laisir, his attorney now his
Appellett attorney, and quite frankly, Matt said he doesn't believe
they read all the paperwork the judges. If you read
everything about the case, you understand, hey, this guy's innocent.
Matt doesn't think they read everything. But at least at
(05:01):
least they found that they had the trial court violated
the double jeopardy clause at a fifth Amendment. Basically, they
hit him twice for the same thing. The Rozier said,
it'd be the same as charging someone with murder and manslaughter. Okay,
so he gets another hearing in front of him, where
he's going to try and heep in all this other
(05:24):
crap and how everything else in this case nothing is illegal,
So hopefully the judges will we'll take a look at
that and do the honest work that they're hired to do.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Who hears this next level of the re sentencing.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Who listens, Well, he's got a he wants to appear
before the entire Court of Appeals, not just the three members,
and we'll see what happens after that. Brother, I really
got a good feeling about the Rosier. He's an experienced guy.
He's the perfect appellate attorney. You know, I'll tell you
(06:04):
a pellet attorneys, as you probably know, are kind of weird.
But because they're dealing with so much paperwork and they
you know, they work on their own. They sit in
their office for twenty five hours a day and write.
And I got to tell you, Matt is exactly what
Tate needs. Well.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
And what's interesting is, you know, you talk about the
appellate process, it is so much about technicalities, and this
case is not just riddled with bad technicalities, it's riddled
with fraudulent technicalities.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
People should go to jail for what was presented to
the court and called factual. That's where this needs to go.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
What kind of timeframe are we looking at for him
to perhaps get that second second?
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Try months, This will take months. But you know, Tate's
already been in prison for damn near three years. And
you know, I go to bed at night, I wake
up and I think, man Tate is sleeping in a
room with nineteen other guys. There's no out for him.
There's no you know, let's go walk outside. There's there's
(07:12):
no He's focused on his case one percent of the time. Brother,
and that's just kinda suck horribly.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I'm curious. It's interesting to me that the United States
Navy gave Tate a domiak an honorable discharge. Doesn't that
in and of itself speak volumes.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
If he committed an actual crime as an E six
while he's sitting in prison, he would have been reduced
to E one and booted out of the Navy. They
let his enlistment expire while he was in it. He
was paid while he was in prison, So what does
that tell you about the Navy. I think the Navy
(07:57):
did a real good job on this, and hopefully if
he gets sprung and pardoned or sprung and found not guilty,
they'll take him back because he really wants to go
to seal school.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yeah, that's that's how I'm praying. That's for sure, Lee,
stand by. It's about sixteen minutes past the hour.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Friends.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
You need to know the name Patrick Tate a Domiak.
You need to know the story. You'll find all kinds
of articles written about it. Facts, facts, facts, and we're
pulling every lever we know to pull. But the best
thing that can happen is for you to write your congressman,
your senator and to ask for justice for Patrick Tate
(08:37):
to Domiak and if they go, who link him to?
The gunwriter? Just told Lee Williams thegunwriter dot substack dot
com in the break. I have over the years see
people on our side, Conservatives, the right. We love debate,
(09:01):
we love to have discussion. I've invited folks from every
town to come on the show, and the Brady Group
that these are anti gun, anti Second Amendment organizations, I
invite them to come on the show. Hey, you got
all kinds of people to talk to, so come on
convince everybody that you're right. None of them will come
on this program, of course, they won't. But Lee Williams, Lee,
(09:25):
you actually took a course from Every Town.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
I am a graduate of the Smart Guide to Buying
a Gun. It's a one point five hour video class
put on by train Smart, which is every Town Firearms Training.
So I got that going for me, brother.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I mean, you're you're hanging that up on your wall, right,
that goes on the resume, moving forward.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Something like that. Something like that. Yeah, it's a one
point five hour course. It costs twenty bucks, it's online.
Every Town offers two additional firearms training horses, including an
eight hour trip to the range that watch you watch
on your computer. You can't go to the range with
the instructors. And I got to tell you their instructors,
(10:13):
Nellis and Jake were a joke. I don't know their
last names. Brother. I mean, I take firearms classes for
a living, and I go to the websites of the
guys that are going to teach me, and everything's there,
you know, including their full name. But all of their
background is there, every course they've ever taken, every military
unit they've ever served in. But these cats Nellis and Jake,
(10:36):
I mean Jake said that. I'm quoting him here, As
an instructor, Jake strives to create welcoming spaces where everyone
can learn to feel safer and more confident with firearms.
Oh gosh, it was an incredible time. The class lasted
an hour and a half. I probably just sat there
and thought for an hour after I was done. It
(10:57):
was an incredible confusing mix of anti gun propaganda. I mean,
they're making up stuff like you have never heard in
your life, and they're they're citing it all their crazy
statistics and everything. I mean, if when a male abuser
(11:18):
has access to a firearm, the risk he's going to
shoot and kill a female increase increases by one thousand percent,
what the help they get that? And it's just nuts.
It was crazy. They try and scare you. The only
the only realistic data that they presented during an hour
(11:39):
and a half was Colonel Jeff Cooper's four General Firearm
Safety Rules and that's it. And of course they never
gave Colonel Cooper any credit. They act like they came
up with it on their own. So overall it the
whole thing is just so chock full of fear brother
that they used. They want to scare folks. They never talked,
(12:02):
they never mentioned in AR. They never mentioned concealed carry.
They just want to scare you away from firearms. If
you have a gun, you have to completely disassemble it
and store it in a safe well, for example, where
the bad guys will come and get you.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I was just going to say, we talked earlier in
the week, and I probably didn't do some of our
programming people any favors, but we have, you know, we
have to air PSAs that get pushed down to us.
And one of them was about keep your gun stored
and locked and unloaded it. And I'm like, you're an
idiot if you do that. If you have a gun,
if you have a firearm now with children around, and
(12:38):
you don't use it for personal defense, you obviously need
to be smart about that. And if you have children
for personal defense, if you have it for personal offense,
you've got to be smart about that. But to leave
it in a locked safe unloaded is just patently stupid.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
With the magazines and the AMMO at a different point
in your home, and they said that if somebody comes
in and actually presents a threat, you're going to have
time to get your gun out of your safe and
then go and load a magazine with the rounds and
then load the magazine into the firearm. And I'm like,
what I mean we're talking seconds? Boom, the front door's
(13:14):
kicked in. Yes, I have to have a gun in
my hand. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I was going to say the number of stories we
recount on this program in a given year about people
breaking into homes, armed invasions, home burglaries, where they're you
know whatever. It's like, you've you've lost your mind. There's
no common sense in any of it.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I'm sitting right next to a small gun safe with
my loaded staccato in it that I have to put
my finger on and it'll pop open. It takes about
a second and the gun's ready to go. I just
take the safety off. That to me is almost too slow.
Sometimes my stories will create a little hate and discontent.
(13:55):
I'll open carry in my house just for a just
to be have, just to have peace of mind.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Brother, I don't have a firearm more than a second
or two away from me at any point in my home,
at any entry of my home. And I've had I've
had a firearm by my bedside on my nightstand for
twenty plus years and it hasn't shot me yet.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Well, it's just a matter of time. I said, yeah
it was, but I got I got my diploma, and
I'm really happy. Yeah it was just I mean a
quick example. They stress the false benefits of home security systems,
you know, alarms, deals, signs, doorbell cameras. These are great ideas,
(14:44):
you know, until some a bad guy breaks in your house.
When they break into the house, their solution adopted dog.
I'm like, oh my god, oh my god. We have
a dog, a little Boston Terrier who would bark. But yeah, no,
better to have a gun.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I'm curious, are you going to do any follow up
with every town? Reach out to him, tell him you
took the gun course and you'd like to interview him.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
I have tried and tried and tried, and every town
will never call back. Isn't that interesting? Yeah, and you
would love to chat with him. I have a friendly conversation.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
And you gave him twenty bucks and it took the course.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I know, better than the fifty. They wanted to watch
somebody shoot at the range man for eight hours. And
I got to tell you, I mean, I am an
instructor NRA certified need to Train law enforcement. A long
time ago I have never seen anything so bad in
my life. It wasn't firearm safety. It was firearms scary.
(15:50):
Let's scare people with what we know about guns. It
was terrible and so disorganized too. It was just absolutely terrible.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Lee, you're the best. Thanks so much for the time.
I appreciate all you're doing and we'll be in touch.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Thank you, Thank you for taking care.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
All right, Lee Williams. He is the gun writer. It's
the gun Writer dot substack dot com. Great material and
a guest on the Morning Show with Preston Scott
Yeah, buddy, here we go. Second hour radio program effectually
known as Common Sense Amplified. It is the Morning Show
with Me. I am Preston Scott. He is Jose and
it's great to be with you on this Friday. That
of course means it's time. He is the gun Writer.
(00:24):
You can find his work at the gunwriter dot substack
dot com. Lee Williams joins us, Good morning, Lee, how
are you?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Good morning? How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
I'm doing fine, you know, I must say, and I'm
betting you feel the same way that sometimes you almost
feel guilty being in a good place because you look
at what's happened with Patrick Taya Domiak and you're like,
it is so infuriating to read what has happened to
(00:54):
this young man. So before you update everybody on the latest,
reset the story. For those that are new to the
program and haven't heard. Who is Patrick Tay Doomiak.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Well, he was an active duty sailor. He's about to
start his third year of his twenty year federal prison
sentence based on charges that do not exist atf It
tells you everything you want to know about atf they
can come in and charge you and throw you in
federal prison when everything you own is completely legal. He
(01:26):
had a website and was doing pretty well. Actually was
one of the top one hundred sellers of parts not guns.
He sold gun parts atf hooked up with a terrible informant.
The informant bought some stuff from them, which are perfectly legal.
You can buy him online right now today, and he
is in the slam. He was sentenced to twenty years.
(01:49):
They wanted thirty. They wanted to send him to prison
for thirty years. Man has never done anything wrong. In
addition to being maybe e six, He was headed to
seal School in orders to report to San Diego, which
just I cannot tell you how angry that makes.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Me part of this entire prosecution, though in fact most
of it hinged on the literal manufacturing of evidence.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Explain that right, well, once they kicked down all his
doors and searched all his safes, they must have at
some point realized, hey, we got nothing, we've got nothing,
so they put stuff together. They used cut up parts
parts from a PPSh forty one machine gun, which are
not a gun. They charged them with machine guns. They
(02:41):
used RPGs rocket hotel grenade launchers, which were not even
one of them wasn't even made to shoot, it was
just display. They charged them with having rocket launchers and
they put forty millimeter grenade launchers together. He had parts
there that were one hundred percent illegal. They put them
together and they made an unregistered SBR, a short bail rifle.
(03:05):
It's it's just the craziness that they went through to
get him. I mean, the guy sold parts, the parts
he can still buy online right now without any kind
of information.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
And to clarify its crazy lead to clarify the parts
were legal that they took to put together and make
something illegal.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Absolutely correct, sir, Absolutely correct.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
And most of this was done by an ATF Firearms
Enforcement officer named Jeffrey Bodell.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Correct, yes, yes, he turned legal RPGs into destructive devices.
Heate had some very expensive legal semi autos that shot
from an open bolt. I mean we're talking four or
five thousand dollars a pistol. Of course, he called all
of them machine guns, even though he could only get
them to shoot one round. He took a toy sten
(03:58):
and turned it into what he said as a machine.
The thing's a toy. You buy it online for about
one hundred and fifty bucks. It's crazy what this guy did,
and the judges just went okay. I mean, it is
the worst I've ever seen. I've been an investigator reporter
for more than twenty years, as a policeman for ten
before that. I've never seen an innocent man in prison.
(04:20):
This guy needs to get let go. Lee.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
His case ended up finally before the US Court of
Appeals for the Fourth Circuit. How is it possible the
attorneys that you know and have talked to, how is
it possible that they did not order a new trial
given the manufactured evidence.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Well, I talked to Matt Laisir, his attorney now his
Appellett attorney, and quite frankly, Matt said he doesn't believe
they read all the paperwork the judges. If you read
everything about the case, you understand, hey, this guy's innocent.
Matt doesn't think they read everything. But at least at
(05:01):
least they found that they had the trial court violated
the double jeopardy clause at a fifth Amendment. Basically, they
hit him twice for the same thing. The Rozier said,
it'd be the same as charging someone with murder and manslaughter. Okay,
so he gets another hearing in front of him, where
he's going to try and heep in all this other
(05:24):
crap and how everything else in this case nothing is illegal,
So hopefully the judges will we'll take a look at
that and do the honest work that they're hired to do.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Who hears this next level of the re sentencing.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Who listens, Well, he's got a he wants to appear
before the entire Court of Appeals, not just the three members,
and we'll see what happens after that. Brother, I really
got a good feeling about the Rosier. He's an experienced guy.
He's the perfect appellate attorney. You know, I'll tell you
(06:04):
a pellet attorneys, as you probably know, are kind of weird.
But because they're dealing with so much paperwork and they
you know, they work on their own. They sit in
their office for twenty five hours a day and write.
And I got to tell you, Matt is exactly what
Tate needs. Well.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
And what's interesting is, you know, you talk about the
appellate process, it is so much about technicalities, and this
case is not just riddled with bad technicalities, it's riddled
with fraudulent technicalities.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
People should go to jail for what was presented to
the court and called factual. That's where this needs to go.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
What kind of timeframe are we looking at for him
to perhaps get that second second?
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Try months, This will take months. But you know, Tate's
already been in prison for damn near three years. And
you know, I go to bed at night, I wake
up and I think, man Tate is sleeping in a
room with nineteen other guys. There's no out for him.
There's no you know, let's go walk outside. There's there's
(07:12):
no He's focused on his case one percent of the time. Brother,
and that's just kinda suck horribly.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I'm curious. It's interesting to me that the United States
Navy gave Tate a domiak an honorable discharge. Doesn't that
in and of itself speak volumes.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
If he committed an actual crime as an E six
while he's sitting in prison, he would have been reduced
to E one and booted out of the Navy. They
let his enlistment expire while he was in it. He
was paid while he was in prison, So what does
that tell you about the Navy. I think the Navy
(07:57):
did a real good job on this, and hopefully if
he gets sprung and pardoned or sprung and found not guilty,
they'll take him back because he really wants to go
to seal school.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yeah, that's that's how I'm praying. That's for sure, Lee,
stand by. It's about sixteen minutes past the hour.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Friends.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
You need to know the name Patrick Tate a Domiak.
You need to know the story. You'll find all kinds
of articles written about it. Facts, facts, facts, and we're
pulling every lever we know to pull. But the best
thing that can happen is for you to write your congressman,
your senator and to ask for justice for Patrick Tate
(08:37):
to Domiak and if they go, who link him to?
The gunwriter? Just told Lee Williams thegunwriter dot substack dot
com in the break. I have over the years see
people on our side, Conservatives, the right. We love debate,
(09:01):
we love to have discussion. I've invited folks from every
town to come on the show, and the Brady Group
that these are anti gun, anti Second Amendment organizations, I
invite them to come on the show. Hey, you got
all kinds of people to talk to, so come on
convince everybody that you're right. None of them will come
on this program, of course, they won't. But Lee Williams, Lee,
(09:25):
you actually took a course from Every Town.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
I am a graduate of the Smart Guide to Buying
a Gun. It's a one point five hour video class
put on by train Smart, which is every Town Firearms Training.
So I got that going for me, brother.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I mean, you're you're hanging that up on your wall, right,
that goes on the resume, moving forward.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Something like that. Something like that. Yeah, it's a one
point five hour course. It costs twenty bucks, it's online.
Every Town offers two additional firearms training horses, including an
eight hour trip to the range that watch you watch
on your computer. You can't go to the range with
the instructors. And I got to tell you their instructors,
(10:13):
Nellis and Jake were a joke. I don't know their
last names. Brother. I mean, I take firearms classes for
a living, and I go to the websites of the
guys that are going to teach me, and everything's there,
you know, including their full name. But all of their
background is there, every course they've ever taken, every military
unit they've ever served in. But these cats Nellis and Jake,
(10:36):
I mean Jake said that. I'm quoting him here, As
an instructor, Jake strives to create welcoming spaces where everyone
can learn to feel safer and more confident with firearms.
Oh gosh, it was an incredible time. The class lasted
an hour and a half. I probably just sat there
and thought for an hour after I was done. It
(10:57):
was an incredible confusing mix of anti gun propaganda. I mean,
they're making up stuff like you have never heard in
your life, and they're they're citing it all their crazy
statistics and everything. I mean, if when a male abuser
(11:18):
has access to a firearm, the risk he's going to
shoot and kill a female increase increases by one thousand percent,
what the help they get that? And it's just nuts.
It was crazy. They try and scare you. The only
the only realistic data that they presented during an hour
(11:39):
and a half was Colonel Jeff Cooper's four General Firearm
Safety Rules and that's it. And of course they never
gave Colonel Cooper any credit. They act like they came
up with it on their own. So overall it the
whole thing is just so chock full of fear brother
that they used. They want to scare folks. They never talked,
(12:02):
they never mentioned in AR. They never mentioned concealed carry.
They just want to scare you away from firearms. If
you have a gun, you have to completely disassemble it
and store it in a safe well, for example, where
the bad guys will come and get you.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I was just going to say, we talked earlier in
the week, and I probably didn't do some of our
programming people any favors, but we have, you know, we
have to air PSAs that get pushed down to us.
And one of them was about keep your gun stored
and locked and unloaded it. And I'm like, you're an
idiot if you do that. If you have a gun,
if you have a firearm now with children around, and
(12:38):
you don't use it for personal defense, you obviously need
to be smart about that. And if you have children
for personal defense, if you have it for personal offense,
you've got to be smart about that. But to leave
it in a locked safe unloaded is just patently stupid.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
With the magazines and the AMMO at a different point
in your home, and they said that if somebody comes
in and actually presents a threat, you're going to have
time to get your gun out of your safe and
then go and load a magazine with the rounds and
then load the magazine into the firearm. And I'm like,
what I mean we're talking seconds? Boom, the front door's
(13:14):
kicked in. Yes, I have to have a gun in
my hand. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I was going to say the number of stories we
recount on this program in a given year about people
breaking into homes, armed invasions, home burglaries, where they're you
know whatever. It's like, you've you've lost your mind. There's
no common sense in any of it.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I'm sitting right next to a small gun safe with
my loaded staccato in it that I have to put
my finger on and it'll pop open. It takes about
a second and the gun's ready to go. I just
take the safety off. That to me is almost too slow.
Sometimes my stories will create a little hate and discontent.
(13:55):
I'll open carry in my house just for a just
to be have, just to have peace of mind.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Brother, I don't have a firearm more than a second
or two away from me at any point in my home,
at any entry of my home. And I've had I've
had a firearm by my bedside on my nightstand for
twenty plus years and it hasn't shot me yet.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Well, it's just a matter of time. I said, yeah
it was, but I got I got my diploma, and
I'm really happy. Yeah it was just I mean a
quick example. They stress the false benefits of home security systems,
you know, alarms, deals, signs, doorbell cameras. These are great ideas,
(14:44):
you know, until some a bad guy breaks in your house.
When they break into the house, their solution adopted dog.
I'm like, oh my god, oh my god. We have
a dog, a little Boston Terrier who would bark. But yeah, no,
better to have a gun.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I'm curious, are you going to do any follow up
with every town? Reach out to him, tell him you
took the gun course and you'd like to interview him.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
I have tried and tried and tried, and every town
will never call back. Isn't that interesting? Yeah, and you
would love to chat with him. I have a friendly conversation.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
And you gave him twenty bucks and it took the course.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I know, better than the fifty. They wanted to watch
somebody shoot at the range man for eight hours. And
I got to tell you, I mean, I am an
instructor NRA certified need to Train law enforcement. A long
time ago I have never seen anything so bad in
my life. It wasn't firearm safety. It was firearms scary.
(15:50):
Let's scare people with what we know about guns. It
was terrible and so disorganized too. It was just absolutely terrible.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Lee, you're the best. Thanks so much for the time.
I appreciate all you're doing and we'll be in touch.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Thank you, Thank you for taking care.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
All right, Lee Williams. He is the gun writer. It's
the gun Writer dot substack dot com. Great material and
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