December 15, 2025 • 15 mins
A freee-wheeling conversation with the President of The James Madison Institute.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
How you doing. I'm good. How are you coming in
on two wheels?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Coming in hot?
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Swear it to goodness?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Yeah, well, you know that's see. I am so insulated
from the wars of traffic because when I'm driving, you
can count the number of cars I encounter on one hand,
and then when I'm done, I'm going the other way.
So it's just brilliant.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
How you been, Bob McClure with me. Doctor McClure is
the president of the James Madison Institute. I'm doing fantastic, sir.
How are you. I'm doing well. Merry Christmas early, Yes,
and we say that around here, of course we do.
Let me get your reaction. This is off the script.
I told you a couple of things I wanted to
talk excuse me, talk about your reaction to what happened
(00:47):
in Miami last night. They elected a Democrat as mayor
for the first time in thirty years.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I was surprised, full disclosure. I know Emilio, the Republican nominee. Well,
what happened? Negativity wind?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Did the voters that are happy with Donald Trump stay home?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
You know, I think that has been a big part
of it. I don't know enough yet to know what
happened last night, what was the final number. I'm trying
to remember how close.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
You don't know how close it was. I just know
that it's the first time in three decades and I've
now this is me. I look at it within the
context of Florida, and I say, this is a wake
up call for Republicans. Am I overreacting?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
No, you're not at all. I do think there's a
couple of things that happen. I think people who are
pleased or people who are happy tend to not vote
as much. Okay, you live it every day. I live
it every day. Oh yeah, any of your listeners listen, uh,
live it every day. So we're we're like anomalies, like
we're not. Most of the population, most of the country
(02:03):
doesn't really care, pay a lot of attention to politics
now reading the headlines right right right now. They have
very definite views, but they don't live it every day,
and sometimes they just don't show up. And when your
guy or gal is winning, Governor DeSantis or Donald Trump,
you have a tendency not to show up. It's when
(02:25):
you're angry, it's when you're put out, it's when you
were feel wronged. When you see perceived bad decisions by
corrupt politicians who are in power, that's when you have
a tendency to vote. I don't have enough data yet
(02:46):
to know what happened last night, but I am surprised.
I mean, that's a county. Well, it's not the county,
it's a city. Never mind, I was gonna say it's
a county. But the mayor there, France, you know, has
been Republican, you know, for a long long time and
perceived as very popular, even ran for president for a
brief minute, Francis Suarez. I was very surprised. Uh, And
(03:10):
I'll just have to get more data to find out.
But to your point, Preston, you're right. The Republican Party
in the state of Florida, even though it has been
in charge for thirty years. Let's say, since Jeb, they
need to take this seriously. Every day they must earn it.
It's that Nick Saban idea of the process. You right,
(03:33):
focus on the process every day. Otherwise there are a
lot of things that could happen because people are angry,
whether you agree with them or not.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Dr Bob McClure and I chatting it up in the
break and I threw them a curveball here because you know,
I'd shared some things I wanted to talk about. But
really all of that on the list, for the most part,
doesn't matter, doctor McClure, if we don't have the position
and the authority to do it. And so the next
(04:05):
set of elections are everything to the agenda. Yeah, so
your thoughts, you know, I wrapped up by saying what
I've been saying for literally every year since I started
this show. The Republican Party does not know how to message.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
They don't And to be clear, the James Madison Institute
just you know, is a nonpartisan organization, but we believe
in movement conservatism, which is free markets, limited government, free enterprise,
personal responsibility right and to the extent that those principles
do or don't reside in the Republican Party. And the
(04:41):
fact that the Republican Party runs everything in Florida, there
is this kind of notion that we're we're Republicans. Republicans
act poorly just as much as Democrats, absolutely, both at
the state and the national level. So I needed to
get that out there.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Well, if you remove dn R from the entire equation
of our discussion, it still boils down to those principles
and ideals being messaged so people understand them. We were
just talking about the fact that Netflix nearly half the
programming that Netflix throlls out has LGBTQ for children, for children,
the children's programming, they start messaging young. And the messaging
(05:21):
part of the equation for the conservative argument is just
is just flat out missing.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, and healthcare is a perfect example. So Donald Trump
gave the Congress, who is a do nothing congress. They
passed the one big beautiful bill, which is incredibly important,
and then they act like there's nothing else to do.
There's so much more to do on healthcare, more on taxes,
how about a budget, a budget, novel, idea past judges.
(05:51):
You know, there's so much more to do, and you
can't rest on your laurels. You know, like they passed
the one big beautiful bill, but there's so much more
to do. So there's it's really a do nothing congress.
But Donald Trump, to your point about messaging, gave the
Republican Party a perfect example. Why don't we give them money?
He said, those healthcare dollars straight to the individual. Why
(06:12):
are we going to a health insurance company? Or through
the federal government via Obamacare. Why don't we just give
the money straight to your listeners, straight to them.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
US Senator Rick Scott was on the show yesterday. That's
exactly what he was talking about.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
It's a brilliant idea and it's simple. You know what
it is. It's a health savings account. It's basically you,
if through your employer okay, or if you own your
own business, you fund your health care instead of giving
money straight to the insurance company, fund your a health
a health savings account. And it works like car insurance.
(06:49):
There is a a you know, deductible. Did you pick
anything over the deductible that the health insurance company pays for?
That's the way it works. And if you are unemployed
or stuck in the safety net and you can't do it,
guess what the federal government will fund that account for you.
(07:11):
You can't run to Vegas with the money, you can't
touch it for anything else. But why are we going
online to pick this Obamacare program and get these subsidies.
Give the money straight to the list to your listeners,
and then guess what they can pick and choose who
and how they will be treated. Costs will come down
(07:33):
and care will go up.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Then the regulatory environment is set by the states and
the federal government to say, Okay, we're going to get
some competition.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
We're gonna get a free market involment. Right, and it's
in the power of the individual. Right now, the individual
has no power. They are at the mercy of the
federal government and the medical bureaucracy.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Imagine going to restaurants every day, friends, without prices on
the menu, right, that's what we do in our healthcare system.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah, WFLR on your phone with the iHeart radio app
and on hundreds of devices like Alexa, Google Home, Xbox
and Sonos and Ihearts radio station.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Oh the time, just fleeked fleeting, No flees by it
too fast. I can't say it.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
It's all right.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I just talked for a living sound like an idiot,
just every other time, Doctor Bob McClure with me from
the James Madison Institute. The governor came out with an
AI proposal. Just a snapshot reaction from that. What do
you think.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
I think the Governor's on the right track with a
lot of things. The devil's going to be in the
details of what the legislature does look, your listeners know
this AI is affecting every aspect of our entire lives. Okay,
we have the opportunity for it to affect us in
(08:58):
a positive way. There are you know, there are a
couple of things related to AI that I think your
listeners need to understand from a ten thousand foot level,
because we don't have a lot of time. In my
in my opinion at JMI, I understand what the govern
where the governor's coming from. He believes that the State
of Florida can do a better job of regulating and
(09:19):
having AI used properly in our lives in the FEDS
can right, because look at the Fed's track record. I
agree with him, he's right. Having said that, I think
there are a couple of things we need to just
think through. Just think through. One is I believe states
should handle outputs of AI. That is to say, if
they if there's fraud committed by an insurance company, that's
(09:41):
a state issue. If if AI has been set up
to be discriminatory in job applications because they're using AI
for job applications, that is against the law. Different states
can establish standards for outputs of a Okay, FRA how
(10:01):
they choose. Right, California can do what they want, you know, Illinois, Florida,
we can all do it. Having said that, though, Preston,
we need a floor of standards at the federal level.
Think of car safety standards or fuel economy standards. Okay,
think of Amazon. Whether you're in California, Washington State, or Tallahassee, Florida.
(10:27):
You go on Amazon, you order your vitamins or your
your mirror or whatever. It works the same way in
every single state. Right now, what's different the taxing component,
sales taxes. That's an output at the state level. California
drives up the cost of everything they do. Florida lowers
the cost and makes it easier. But we need a
(10:49):
floor at the federal level. Okay, we can't have fifty
different forms of a I right. Well, it'll bleed state lines,
that's right. So establish a federal floor, yeah, okay, and
then govern outputs by state and it won't kill ingenuity.
So for example, I'll give you one more example. There
have been almost two thousand different bills filed across the
(11:14):
country regarding AI. It's like fifteen hundred to two thousand. Okay,
half of those are in four states California, Illinois, New
York and maybe Jersey. I can't remember the four state
because they want to strangle AI and innovation. There's so
much good, whether it's diagnosing cancer or managing traffic patterns,
(11:38):
or of making things more efficient and less expensive. But
of course California, Illinois, New York want to strangle ingenuity.
Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. To use
a horrible cliche. States should handle outputs, but the FEDS
should establish a floor, much like they do with car
(11:58):
safety and car fuel stand Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
As you look ahead, I mean, obviously this is going
to be a component of the next legislative session. By
by doing this, the governor has signaled this needs to
be discussed.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
And he's right, he's right.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
What do you see as from the from the chair
as president of the James Masson Institute, what are the
big issues that the legislature needs to make sure are addressed?
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Property tax issue is going to be huge. The governor
has made that his priority, and I think, but does
that matter given he's a lame duck? Now oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
it certainly matters, okay, and it matters for the Republican Party.
And when it comes to elections next year. To your
I think, I think it's a huge issue. What I'm
curious about is because you'res as good at analyzing the
(12:48):
waters politically of this state as anybody I know. Does
it matter that it's Ron DeSantis's idea at this point?
In other words, will that carry any weight or is
it now on its own?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
No?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
No, I think it carries a tunnel weight. I think
the governor is still incredibly powerful. He's running through the tape,
he's not slowing down. He's not a lame duck. He's
got a new idea. He's in a new part of
the state every single day. Right, this is not Lawton
Childs God rest his soul, turkey hunting in the back
county of Jefferson County and nobody can find him. Right,
(13:22):
this is not it. And Governor Chiles was a fine person.
So Governor DeSantis is moving fast. It doesn't matter because
if they get something monumental or significant done right, victory
has many fathers. Failure is an orphan and everybody can
(13:42):
claim credit right on this issue. And is the governor
of the driver. Yes, So property taxes housing is gonna
be another one, Okay, it's gonna be a huge issue.
Housing is gonna be huge because the cost of housing
is primarily what's driving it up as not the state
or the feds. It's the local level. It's permitting, its
(14:04):
weight times, it's pay go, it's you know, all of
those things that are driving up the cost of a house.
So housing, property taxes, education reform.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Do they need to focus it in some way, shape
or form or make sure a portion of it addresses
entry level housing?
Speaker 1 (14:23):
No, they need to. If you if the way the
market works, just build more housing. The inventory is low.
And that's what politicians, particularly local politicians, don't understand. You
don't have to build affordable housing, which is code for
crappy housing nobody wants to live in and the builder
loses money. Yeah, we don't need that. Just build more
(14:44):
housing and then guess what, People move into those houses
that they want there's more inventory, and then others move
in to the other houses that have just been left behind.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
And because of availability prices then moderate.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yes. Yes, people think you have to build oh, we
have to build cheap housing, affordable housing. No, you have
to build build housing that is affordable. Those are affordable
housing and building housing that is affordable. Are not the
same things? Yeah, okay, So build housing that is affordable
at any level, rich, middle income or lower income, and
(15:20):
the market will shift and they will slide in and
prices will come down because inventory is up. But it's
the local governments too often that drive up the cost
of housing through all of the regulations and the taxes
that they do.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
The next time you and I meet, we will be
in the legislative session. It'll be fun.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I can't believe it, man, it's right around the corner.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Merry Christmas, Happy New Year.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Thank you my friend. Merry Christmas to you as well.
How you doing. I'm good. How are you coming in
on two wheels?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Coming in hot?
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Swear it to goodness?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Yeah, well, you know that's see. I am so insulated
from the wars of traffic because when I'm driving, you
can count the number of cars I encounter on one hand,
and then when I'm done, I'm going the other way.
So it's just brilliant.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
How you been, Bob McClure with me. Doctor McClure is
the president of the James Madison Institute. I'm doing fantastic, sir.
How are you. I'm doing well. Merry Christmas early, Yes,
and we say that around here, of course we do.
Let me get your reaction. This is off the script.
I told you a couple of things I wanted to
talk excuse me, talk about your reaction to what happened
(00:47):
in Miami last night. They elected a Democrat as mayor
for the first time in thirty years.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I was surprised, full disclosure. I know Emilio, the Republican nominee. Well,
what happened? Negativity wind?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Did the voters that are happy with Donald Trump stay home?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
You know, I think that has been a big part
of it. I don't know enough yet to know what
happened last night, what was the final number. I'm trying
to remember how close.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
You don't know how close it was. I just know
that it's the first time in three decades and I've
now this is me. I look at it within the
context of Florida, and I say, this is a wake
up call for Republicans. Am I overreacting?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
No, you're not at all. I do think there's a
couple of things that happen. I think people who are
pleased or people who are happy tend to not vote
as much. Okay, you live it every day. I live
it every day. Oh yeah, any of your listeners listen, uh,
live it every day. So we're we're like anomalies, like
we're not. Most of the population, most of the country
(02:03):
doesn't really care, pay a lot of attention to politics
now reading the headlines right right right now. They have
very definite views, but they don't live it every day,
and sometimes they just don't show up. And when your
guy or gal is winning, Governor DeSantis or Donald Trump,
you have a tendency not to show up. It's when
(02:25):
you're angry, it's when you're put out, it's when you
were feel wronged. When you see perceived bad decisions by
corrupt politicians who are in power, that's when you have
a tendency to vote. I don't have enough data yet
(02:46):
to know what happened last night, but I am surprised.
I mean, that's a county. Well, it's not the county,
it's a city. Never mind, I was gonna say it's
a county. But the mayor there, France, you know, has
been Republican, you know, for a long long time and
perceived as very popular, even ran for president for a
brief minute, Francis Suarez. I was very surprised. Uh, And
(03:10):
I'll just have to get more data to find out.
But to your point, Preston, you're right. The Republican Party
in the state of Florida, even though it has been
in charge for thirty years. Let's say, since Jeb, they
need to take this seriously. Every day they must earn it.
It's that Nick Saban idea of the process. You right,
(03:33):
focus on the process every day. Otherwise there are a
lot of things that could happen because people are angry,
whether you agree with them or not.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Dr Bob McClure and I chatting it up in the
break and I threw them a curveball here because you know,
I'd shared some things I wanted to talk about. But
really all of that on the list, for the most part,
doesn't matter, doctor McClure, if we don't have the position
and the authority to do it. And so the next
(04:05):
set of elections are everything to the agenda. Yeah, so
your thoughts, you know, I wrapped up by saying what
I've been saying for literally every year since I started
this show. The Republican Party does not know how to message.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
They don't And to be clear, the James Madison Institute
just you know, is a nonpartisan organization, but we believe
in movement conservatism, which is free markets, limited government, free enterprise,
personal responsibility right and to the extent that those principles
do or don't reside in the Republican Party. And the
(04:41):
fact that the Republican Party runs everything in Florida, there
is this kind of notion that we're we're Republicans. Republicans
act poorly just as much as Democrats, absolutely, both at
the state and the national level. So I needed to
get that out there.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Well, if you remove dn R from the entire equation
of our discussion, it still boils down to those principles
and ideals being messaged so people understand them. We were
just talking about the fact that Netflix nearly half the
programming that Netflix throlls out has LGBTQ for children, for children,
the children's programming, they start messaging young. And the messaging
(05:21):
part of the equation for the conservative argument is just
is just flat out missing.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, and healthcare is a perfect example. So Donald Trump
gave the Congress, who is a do nothing congress. They
passed the one big beautiful bill, which is incredibly important,
and then they act like there's nothing else to do.
There's so much more to do on healthcare, more on taxes,
how about a budget, a budget, novel, idea past judges.
(05:51):
You know, there's so much more to do, and you
can't rest on your laurels. You know, like they passed
the one big beautiful bill, but there's so much more
to do. So there's it's really a do nothing congress.
But Donald Trump, to your point about messaging, gave the
Republican Party a perfect example. Why don't we give them money?
He said, those healthcare dollars straight to the individual. Why
(06:12):
are we going to a health insurance company? Or through
the federal government via Obamacare. Why don't we just give
the money straight to your listeners, straight to them.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
US Senator Rick Scott was on the show yesterday. That's
exactly what he was talking about.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
It's a brilliant idea and it's simple. You know what
it is. It's a health savings account. It's basically you,
if through your employer okay, or if you own your
own business, you fund your health care instead of giving
money straight to the insurance company, fund your a health
a health savings account. And it works like car insurance.
(06:49):
There is a a you know, deductible. Did you pick
anything over the deductible that the health insurance company pays for?
That's the way it works. And if you are unemployed
or stuck in the safety net and you can't do it,
guess what the federal government will fund that account for you.
(07:11):
You can't run to Vegas with the money, you can't
touch it for anything else. But why are we going
online to pick this Obamacare program and get these subsidies.
Give the money straight to the list to your listeners,
and then guess what they can pick and choose who
and how they will be treated. Costs will come down
(07:33):
and care will go up.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Then the regulatory environment is set by the states and
the federal government to say, Okay, we're going to get
some competition.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
We're gonna get a free market involment. Right, and it's
in the power of the individual. Right now, the individual
has no power. They are at the mercy of the
federal government and the medical bureaucracy.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Imagine going to restaurants every day, friends, without prices on
the menu, right, that's what we do in our healthcare system.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah, WFLR on your phone with the iHeart radio app
and on hundreds of devices like Alexa, Google Home, Xbox
and Sonos and Ihearts radio station.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Oh the time, just fleeked fleeting, No flees by it
too fast. I can't say it.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
It's all right.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I just talked for a living sound like an idiot,
just every other time, Doctor Bob McClure with me from
the James Madison Institute. The governor came out with an
AI proposal. Just a snapshot reaction from that. What do
you think.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
I think the Governor's on the right track with a
lot of things. The devil's going to be in the
details of what the legislature does look, your listeners know
this AI is affecting every aspect of our entire lives. Okay,
we have the opportunity for it to affect us in
(08:58):
a positive way. There are you know, there are a
couple of things related to AI that I think your
listeners need to understand from a ten thousand foot level,
because we don't have a lot of time. In my
in my opinion at JMI, I understand what the govern
where the governor's coming from. He believes that the State
of Florida can do a better job of regulating and
(09:19):
having AI used properly in our lives in the FEDS
can right, because look at the Fed's track record. I
agree with him, he's right. Having said that, I think
there are a couple of things we need to just
think through. Just think through. One is I believe states
should handle outputs of AI. That is to say, if
they if there's fraud committed by an insurance company, that's
(09:41):
a state issue. If if AI has been set up
to be discriminatory in job applications because they're using AI
for job applications, that is against the law. Different states
can establish standards for outputs of a Okay, FRA how
(10:01):
they choose. Right, California can do what they want, you know, Illinois, Florida,
we can all do it. Having said that, though, Preston,
we need a floor of standards at the federal level.
Think of car safety standards or fuel economy standards. Okay,
think of Amazon. Whether you're in California, Washington State, or Tallahassee, Florida.
(10:27):
You go on Amazon, you order your vitamins or your
your mirror or whatever. It works the same way in
every single state. Right now, what's different the taxing component,
sales taxes. That's an output at the state level. California
drives up the cost of everything they do. Florida lowers
the cost and makes it easier. But we need a
(10:49):
floor at the federal level. Okay, we can't have fifty
different forms of a I right. Well, it'll bleed state lines,
that's right. So establish a federal floor, yeah, okay, and
then govern outputs by state and it won't kill ingenuity.
So for example, I'll give you one more example. There
have been almost two thousand different bills filed across the
(11:14):
country regarding AI. It's like fifteen hundred to two thousand. Okay,
half of those are in four states California, Illinois, New
York and maybe Jersey. I can't remember the four state
because they want to strangle AI and innovation. There's so
much good, whether it's diagnosing cancer or managing traffic patterns,
(11:38):
or of making things more efficient and less expensive. But
of course California, Illinois, New York want to strangle ingenuity.
Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. To use
a horrible cliche. States should handle outputs, but the FEDS
should establish a floor, much like they do with car
(11:58):
safety and car fuel stand Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
As you look ahead, I mean, obviously this is going
to be a component of the next legislative session. By
by doing this, the governor has signaled this needs to
be discussed.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
And he's right, he's right.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
What do you see as from the from the chair
as president of the James Masson Institute, what are the
big issues that the legislature needs to make sure are addressed?
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Property tax issue is going to be huge. The governor
has made that his priority, and I think, but does
that matter given he's a lame duck? Now oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
it certainly matters, okay, and it matters for the Republican Party.
And when it comes to elections next year. To your
I think, I think it's a huge issue. What I'm
curious about is because you'res as good at analyzing the
(12:48):
waters politically of this state as anybody I know. Does
it matter that it's Ron DeSantis's idea at this point?
In other words, will that carry any weight or is
it now on its own?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
No?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
No, I think it carries a tunnel weight. I think
the governor is still incredibly powerful. He's running through the tape,
he's not slowing down. He's not a lame duck. He's
got a new idea. He's in a new part of
the state every single day. Right, this is not Lawton
Childs God rest his soul, turkey hunting in the back
county of Jefferson County and nobody can find him. Right,
(13:22):
this is not it. And Governor Chiles was a fine person.
So Governor DeSantis is moving fast. It doesn't matter because
if they get something monumental or significant done right, victory
has many fathers. Failure is an orphan and everybody can
(13:42):
claim credit right on this issue. And is the governor
of the driver. Yes, So property taxes housing is gonna
be another one, Okay, it's gonna be a huge issue.
Housing is gonna be huge because the cost of housing
is primarily what's driving it up as not the state
or the feds. It's the local level. It's permitting, its
(14:04):
weight times, it's pay go, it's you know, all of
those things that are driving up the cost of a house.
So housing, property taxes, education reform.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Do they need to focus it in some way, shape
or form or make sure a portion of it addresses
entry level housing?
Speaker 1 (14:23):
No, they need to. If you if the way the
market works, just build more housing. The inventory is low.
And that's what politicians, particularly local politicians, don't understand. You
don't have to build affordable housing, which is code for
crappy housing nobody wants to live in and the builder
loses money. Yeah, we don't need that. Just build more
(14:44):
housing and then guess what, People move into those houses
that they want there's more inventory, and then others move
in to the other houses that have just been left behind.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
And because of availability prices then moderate.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yes. Yes, people think you have to build oh, we
have to build cheap housing, affordable housing. No, you have
to build build housing that is affordable. Those are affordable
housing and building housing that is affordable. Are not the
same things? Yeah, okay, So build housing that is affordable
at any level, rich, middle income or lower income, and
(15:20):
the market will shift and they will slide in and
prices will come down because inventory is up. But it's
the local governments too often that drive up the cost
of housing through all of the regulations and the taxes
that they do.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
The next time you and I meet, we will be
in the legislative session. It'll be fun.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I can't believe it, man, it's right around the corner.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Merry Christmas, Happy New Year.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Thank you my friend. Merry Christmas to you as well.
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