November 20, 2025 • 14 mins
Seamus Bruner,, Director of Research at GAI (and author of "Controligarchs") spent time with Preston explaining how your dollars are finding their way to professional protestors like "Klantifa."
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
All right, welcome to the third hour of The Morning
Show with Preston Scott. It is November nineteenth. Great to
be with you friends, Show fifty four ninety eight. That
is Jose in Studio one A. I am here in
Studio one B, and I am thrilled to have back
on the program. He is the director of research for
(00:24):
the Government Accountability Institute, works with our good friend Peter Schweitzer,
and what they're doing is incredible work, important work. Seamus Berner,
Welcome back to the show. Seamus, how are you.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Good morning, Preston, Great to be with you.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
You do this, you find a way to take something
massive and condense it into sound bites, because I know
you do television. And the last time I saw you,
you were on Fox. You were addressing the President of
the United States and you were talking about something that
you guys had I guess kind of created the title for,
and that's riot. Tell Us about this, tell us about
(01:02):
the paid protest network that's operating in this country.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah. So, as you know, Peter Schweitzer, our team, we
follow the money. We followed it to the top of
the protest industrial complex. We call it Ryan Ink. President
Trump wanted to know who's behind these anti ice riots
all across the country, mostly in the blue cities like Chicago, Portland, Seattle,
Los Angeles, and we've been tracking it for a while.
(01:30):
Of course, yes, it is George Soros and his Open
Society network. It's also some lesser known big left wing
funding networks like the Tides network, the Arabella funding network, which,
by the way, News just broke yesterday. Arabella will be
shutting down or at least rebranding. It's a tentative win.
(01:52):
We know they're going to pop up like a hydra
with more heads and more places, but nonetheless it's this
big ecosystem. And by the way, the thing that shocked
President Trump the most was that your tax payer money
finds its way into these riots. It goes from your
pockets to the federal government, which then distributes more than
(02:14):
one hundred million dollars we calculated to networks like Tides, Rockefeller,
even the Soros networks USAID. But there's also other agencies
that fund these big left wing NGOs, ostensibly for some
charitable purpose, but we know money is fungible, so then
those big networks funnel it back out to the boots
(02:37):
on the ground and It's not just Antifa. It is
a whole host of dozens hundreds of these little NGOs
that organize, provide the signs, provide the water bottles, everything.
It's an industrial operation.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
When you say tides in Arabella, give our listeners a snapshot.
What are these organizations? Where do they come from? What
were they founded to do?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yes, great question. So they've been around even longer some
of them. Arabella's rather new two thousand and five. It's
network and it's got about seven sub funds. Arabella Advisors
is just the advising entity, but it's got the New
Venture Fund, the sixteen thirty Fund, the Windward Fund, more
names than people care to hear about. And so those
(03:25):
are the entities that actually do the funding. So Soros
is actually one of the biggest funders of Arabella. He
was there from the beginning one hundred million plus. There's
actually a foreign billionaire named Hans jorg VIIs from Switzerland.
He's given a couple hundred million over the years to
the Arabella network. Bill Gates puts in three hundred plus
(03:47):
million in the last five years or so. Also, big
news in June was that Bill Gates would be cutting
his funding that's I believe directly tied to Arabella's demise
because Bill It's cut the funding. He was one of
the biggest funders of that. TIDES has actually been around
for much much longer decades, and the Ford Foundation is
(04:08):
also in this whole ecosystem. The Ford Foundation goes back.
I wrote a book Control of Arcs that shows that
the Rockefeller Foundation, which keeps popping up time and time again,
that was really the prototype. I mean, it goes back
to nineteen oh four. These big industrialist guys, they did
not want their money going to these things. But over
(04:29):
the years, these big foundations like Henry Ford and his
now Ford Foundations, it's all been taken over by leftists
and their big endowments, and then they've ballooned and grown
in over a century. But they really the Rockefellers, Tides, Ford,
they pioneered the art of using tax dollars as a
force multiplier for their own agendas. They get grants to
(04:52):
do theoretically ostensibly good things. They took those government grants,
mix it with private cash, and then it just becomes
an ATM machine for radical left wing purposes.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
They don't make it easy to find it. If you
do a search on Google. What a shock Government Accountability
Institute G hyphen a hypheni dot org. G hyphen a
hypheni dot org is how you find them? Seamus Berner
with US, Seamus, what should a taxpayer do? In response
(05:32):
to this?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Well, I think the exposure of these formerly dark money,
I mean it's still dark money in the sense that
we cannot track it all the way, but we have
the nine nineties. That's the best you can do is code.
We come through thousands and thousands of pages of IRS
Forum nine nineties of these big left wing NGOs shining
(05:56):
the sunlight as we've been doing, and many others, especially
on Arabella, and then people get upset about it, and
now they can't hide in the shadows anymore. So this
was big news yesterday that Arabella. I mean, it's it's
a rebrand. I don't you know. We're not taking victory
laps here, but you know, when it when it gets exposed,
they have to recalculate. They've lawyered up. There's been a
(06:17):
few articles since since that White House roundtable where we
talked about riot inc. They are they are lawyering up.
They're taking steps to hide their trails and you know
they're they're on the run. I'd say, now they're gonna
They're not going away. But we just got to keep
spreading the word, sharing the news. Thank you so much
for having me on talking about it and letting other
(06:40):
people know that their taxpayer dollars are funding and we
talked about riot Inc. We've actually got a big report
on migration inc. How your tax dollars have funded this
invasion and the resettlement going on. That is why I
believe these big NGOs are funding anti ICE protests. It's
because it's the same people who funded the invasion. And
(07:01):
then why did they do that? It's because they fund
the get out the vote operations. It's the same players
funding the They know that they can get non citizens
onto the voter roles, either legally or illegally, and so
this industrial operation. The more we expose it, the more
the Trump administration goes after it. You know, I, like
many people, wish there would be a lot more arrests
(07:25):
sooner than later. Yeah, if we don't fix this soon,
they're going to use it in twenty six and twenty eight.
And you know, we won an election last time, but
that nothing's guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Here Seamus you talk about I'll call it a kind
of a hard rebrand that Arabella's going to be in
the midst of doing. Then there are soft rebrands. I
consider Bill Gates backing off of his climate hysteria to
be a very significant, important, but a soft rebrand. What
are we to make of Gates sort of saying, yeah, okay,
(07:58):
maybe not so much. It's not so bad.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, I mean, I you know, I think it's pretty cynical.
He's he's he's got a lot of interest that the
administration can affect. That's why you saw all these tech
bros lining up to fund the inauguration. I think President
Trump is trying to keep his enemies closer with this.
I hope, you know, having them to dinner and all
of that. But I mean, the FCC, the FEC, anti DOJ's,
(08:25):
anti trust, these guys, Zuckerberg's Gates, they all could the
Trump administration could make big problems for them. So I
think it's he's doing it to you know, I don't
think he's a well, first of all, I don't think
he was a true believer ever. I mean, he's the
biggest user of energy with his He's got two private jets,
a couple of seaplanes and helicopters, yacht, a sixty six
(08:47):
thousand square foot mansion in Washington. The guy doesn't believe
in climate change. He uses that as a tool for
control and to actually increase his bottom line get investments
into his so called green tech energy ventures. But I
think I think it's good for us. I mean, at
the end of the day, it's good for us that
he has retreated. They were gaslighting us about this the
(09:08):
whole time. Now we can hold that up and say,
wait a second, I thought you said it was going
to be a catastrophe. Now you say it's not going
to be a catastrophe, Well, then we're not going to
do what you say was banning our gas stove or
banning banning steaks and cows here, which is what he
was one of the guys pushing Seamus.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Give me, give me your your take on the importance
of getting more information out. Regarding Jeffrey Epstein, I have
mixed feelings given what I read of Clay Higgins and
his reason for voting against the release. I feel like
he's got a principled argument here that there they're going
to be some innocent people dragged through the mud that
(09:47):
are in these files, and and the media is just
not going to know any restraint whatsoever. But but Epstein's
got some other entanglements and involvements. Do you feel like
there's more to come?
Speaker 2 (09:59):
You know, this is one of those things that's gonna
be like the jfk assassination or nine to eleven, or
no matter how much information people get, they're never going
to be satisfied. So that's unfortunate because you know, you'd
like to be able to close the case and move on.
But the problem is is that Jeffrey Epstein and Galaine Maxwell,
(10:21):
they were charged with trafficking minors to nobody apparently, And
so as long as I mean as if there needs
to peaches even one arrest of a guilty person, obviously,
and you see people like Larry Summers, and it's it's
going to it's going to hit the Democrats artist because
all of the people who are closest to them are
(10:42):
huge Democrat thunders. I mean, yes, I mean it's a
small world. By the way, the billionaire class who have
places in both Palm Beach and New York. So when
Donald Trump is you know, friends with so called friends
with Jeffrey Epstein. You're not talking about a huge group
of people. I mean the number of galas and dinner
parties and things that people who live both there, it's
(11:02):
actually really really small. So of course they were bound
to run into each other. You know, Jeffrey Epstein was
by all accounts charismatic guy, and so yes, there are
innocent people who knew him, and people think, oh, you
must be guilty because you knew him, or even flying
on the jet. I mean that's not and even attending
the island is not evidence of guilt. The problem is
(11:22):
that there are guilty people and until any anyone is
brought to justice, and the statute of limitations on crimes
against miners is I don't believe there is one in
some cases, so they really do need to arrest. And
the thing, I've got many questions left, and so I'm
glad the files are coming out. You know, innocent people
(11:43):
I think will remain innocent. I don't think anybody's gonna
grab pitchforks and torches and and and you know, lynch them.
But you know, it's it's a tricky thing because until somebody,
you know, when you're talking about crimes against miners. That's
people get really upset about that, understandably, and so you'd
love for I know, a couple. I mean, so, here's
one thing I reported in the book Control of Arts
(12:06):
about Bill Gates's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein is it ran
through the bank JP Morgan, and there was an executive
at that bank. And I've seen the emails between that
executive and Jeffrey Epstein and they are horrific. I mean,
you just search for JP Morgan at Jeffrey Epstein. Disney
(12:26):
characters the executive name, and he's, by the way, been
indicted on several other charges for other things. So's he's
not a good guy, the JP Morgan executive. But Disney
was referring, you know, I was with Beauty there, I
was with Belle last time, or you know snow White
last time. They're using code names talking about his time
(12:48):
at the island in return your stomach. Don't don't read
the emails, but they're out there. The New York Post
reported them and others. So there is enough smoke here
and even some fire that people really want some justice.
I'm one of the people who wants a guy who
went to the island and committed crimes against children. Yeah,
brought to justice. So until that happens, I think there's
(13:09):
going to be a lot of anger about it. And
I'm glad that, you know, the Trump administration kind of
came around to it.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Seamus, thanks for the time you've been generous with it
this morning. We're here for you anytime you want to
get some things out there to some folks. So we
may be a small pond, but we have a big splash.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yes you do, Yes you do. Precidval. Thank you so much,
have a great morning.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Thank you, sir. Seamus Berner with us from the Government
Accountability Institute. He's the director of research his book Controlled Garks.
We had him on when the book came out and
again meticulously researched. Gee. I just doesn't mess around with
that stuff. That's why they're so respected because they just
(13:55):
where the evidence leads is where they go. And if
that's on the right side of the aisle, it's on
the right side of the out if it's on the left,
it's on the left. So my thanks to him and
all the work that they do with the Government Accountability Institute.
Twenty seven minutes past the hour,
All right, welcome to the third hour of The Morning
Show with Preston Scott. It is November nineteenth. Great to
be with you friends, Show fifty four ninety eight. That
is Jose in Studio one A. I am here in
Studio one B, and I am thrilled to have back
on the program. He is the director of research for
(00:24):
the Government Accountability Institute, works with our good friend Peter Schweitzer,
and what they're doing is incredible work, important work. Seamus Berner,
Welcome back to the show. Seamus, how are you.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Good morning, Preston, Great to be with you.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
You do this, you find a way to take something
massive and condense it into sound bites, because I know
you do television. And the last time I saw you,
you were on Fox. You were addressing the President of
the United States and you were talking about something that
you guys had I guess kind of created the title for,
and that's riot. Tell Us about this, tell us about
(01:02):
the paid protest network that's operating in this country.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah. So, as you know, Peter Schweitzer, our team, we
follow the money. We followed it to the top of
the protest industrial complex. We call it Ryan Ink. President
Trump wanted to know who's behind these anti ice riots
all across the country, mostly in the blue cities like Chicago, Portland, Seattle,
Los Angeles, and we've been tracking it for a while.
(01:30):
Of course, yes, it is George Soros and his Open
Society network. It's also some lesser known big left wing
funding networks like the Tides network, the Arabella funding network, which,
by the way, News just broke yesterday. Arabella will be
shutting down or at least rebranding. It's a tentative win.
(01:52):
We know they're going to pop up like a hydra
with more heads and more places, but nonetheless it's this
big ecosystem. And by the way, the thing that shocked
President Trump the most was that your tax payer money
finds its way into these riots. It goes from your
pockets to the federal government, which then distributes more than
(02:14):
one hundred million dollars we calculated to networks like Tides, Rockefeller,
even the Soros networks USAID. But there's also other agencies
that fund these big left wing NGOs, ostensibly for some
charitable purpose, but we know money is fungible, so then
those big networks funnel it back out to the boots
(02:37):
on the ground and It's not just Antifa. It is
a whole host of dozens hundreds of these little NGOs
that organize, provide the signs, provide the water bottles, everything.
It's an industrial operation.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
When you say tides in Arabella, give our listeners a snapshot.
What are these organizations? Where do they come from? What
were they founded to do?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yes, great question. So they've been around even longer some
of them. Arabella's rather new two thousand and five. It's
network and it's got about seven sub funds. Arabella Advisors
is just the advising entity, but it's got the New
Venture Fund, the sixteen thirty Fund, the Windward Fund, more
names than people care to hear about. And so those
(03:25):
are the entities that actually do the funding. So Soros
is actually one of the biggest funders of Arabella. He
was there from the beginning one hundred million plus. There's
actually a foreign billionaire named Hans jorg VIIs from Switzerland.
He's given a couple hundred million over the years to
the Arabella network. Bill Gates puts in three hundred plus
(03:47):
million in the last five years or so. Also, big
news in June was that Bill Gates would be cutting
his funding that's I believe directly tied to Arabella's demise
because Bill It's cut the funding. He was one of
the biggest funders of that. TIDES has actually been around
for much much longer decades, and the Ford Foundation is
(04:08):
also in this whole ecosystem. The Ford Foundation goes back.
I wrote a book Control of Arcs that shows that
the Rockefeller Foundation, which keeps popping up time and time again,
that was really the prototype. I mean, it goes back
to nineteen oh four. These big industrialist guys, they did
not want their money going to these things. But over
(04:29):
the years, these big foundations like Henry Ford and his
now Ford Foundations, it's all been taken over by leftists
and their big endowments, and then they've ballooned and grown
in over a century. But they really the Rockefellers, Tides, Ford,
they pioneered the art of using tax dollars as a
force multiplier for their own agendas. They get grants to
(04:52):
do theoretically ostensibly good things. They took those government grants,
mix it with private cash, and then it just becomes
an ATM machine for radical left wing purposes.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
They don't make it easy to find it. If you
do a search on Google. What a shock Government Accountability
Institute G hyphen a hypheni dot org. G hyphen a
hypheni dot org is how you find them? Seamus Berner
with US, Seamus, what should a taxpayer do? In response
(05:32):
to this?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Well, I think the exposure of these formerly dark money,
I mean it's still dark money in the sense that
we cannot track it all the way, but we have
the nine nineties. That's the best you can do is code.
We come through thousands and thousands of pages of IRS
Forum nine nineties of these big left wing NGOs shining
(05:56):
the sunlight as we've been doing, and many others, especially
on Arabella, and then people get upset about it, and
now they can't hide in the shadows anymore. So this
was big news yesterday that Arabella. I mean, it's it's
a rebrand. I don't you know. We're not taking victory
laps here, but you know, when it when it gets exposed,
they have to recalculate. They've lawyered up. There's been a
(06:17):
few articles since since that White House roundtable where we
talked about riot inc. They are they are lawyering up.
They're taking steps to hide their trails and you know
they're they're on the run. I'd say, now they're gonna
They're not going away. But we just got to keep
spreading the word, sharing the news. Thank you so much
for having me on talking about it and letting other
(06:40):
people know that their taxpayer dollars are funding and we
talked about riot Inc. We've actually got a big report
on migration inc. How your tax dollars have funded this
invasion and the resettlement going on. That is why I
believe these big NGOs are funding anti ICE protests. It's
because it's the same people who funded the invasion. And
(07:01):
then why did they do that? It's because they fund
the get out the vote operations. It's the same players
funding the They know that they can get non citizens
onto the voter roles, either legally or illegally, and so
this industrial operation. The more we expose it, the more
the Trump administration goes after it. You know, I, like
many people, wish there would be a lot more arrests
(07:25):
sooner than later. Yeah, if we don't fix this soon,
they're going to use it in twenty six and twenty eight.
And you know, we won an election last time, but
that nothing's guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Here Seamus you talk about I'll call it a kind
of a hard rebrand that Arabella's going to be in
the midst of doing. Then there are soft rebrands. I
consider Bill Gates backing off of his climate hysteria to
be a very significant, important, but a soft rebrand. What
are we to make of Gates sort of saying, yeah, okay,
(07:58):
maybe not so much. It's not so bad.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, I mean, I you know, I think it's pretty cynical.
He's he's he's got a lot of interest that the
administration can affect. That's why you saw all these tech
bros lining up to fund the inauguration. I think President
Trump is trying to keep his enemies closer with this.
I hope, you know, having them to dinner and all
of that. But I mean, the FCC, the FEC, anti DOJ's,
(08:25):
anti trust, these guys, Zuckerberg's Gates, they all could the
Trump administration could make big problems for them. So I
think it's he's doing it to you know, I don't
think he's a well, first of all, I don't think
he was a true believer ever. I mean, he's the
biggest user of energy with his He's got two private jets,
a couple of seaplanes and helicopters, yacht, a sixty six
(08:47):
thousand square foot mansion in Washington. The guy doesn't believe
in climate change. He uses that as a tool for
control and to actually increase his bottom line get investments
into his so called green tech energy ventures. But I
think I think it's good for us. I mean, at
the end of the day, it's good for us that
he has retreated. They were gaslighting us about this the
(09:08):
whole time. Now we can hold that up and say,
wait a second, I thought you said it was going
to be a catastrophe. Now you say it's not going
to be a catastrophe, Well, then we're not going to
do what you say was banning our gas stove or
banning banning steaks and cows here, which is what he
was one of the guys pushing Seamus.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Give me, give me your your take on the importance
of getting more information out. Regarding Jeffrey Epstein, I have
mixed feelings given what I read of Clay Higgins and
his reason for voting against the release. I feel like
he's got a principled argument here that there they're going
to be some innocent people dragged through the mud that
(09:47):
are in these files, and and the media is just
not going to know any restraint whatsoever. But but Epstein's
got some other entanglements and involvements. Do you feel like
there's more to come?
Speaker 2 (09:59):
You know, this is one of those things that's gonna
be like the jfk assassination or nine to eleven, or
no matter how much information people get, they're never going
to be satisfied. So that's unfortunate because you know, you'd
like to be able to close the case and move on.
But the problem is is that Jeffrey Epstein and Galaine Maxwell,
(10:21):
they were charged with trafficking minors to nobody apparently, And
so as long as I mean as if there needs
to peaches even one arrest of a guilty person, obviously,
and you see people like Larry Summers, and it's it's
going to it's going to hit the Democrats artist because
all of the people who are closest to them are
(10:42):
huge Democrat thunders. I mean, yes, I mean it's a
small world. By the way, the billionaire class who have
places in both Palm Beach and New York. So when
Donald Trump is you know, friends with so called friends
with Jeffrey Epstein. You're not talking about a huge group
of people. I mean the number of galas and dinner
parties and things that people who live both there, it's
(11:02):
actually really really small. So of course they were bound
to run into each other. You know, Jeffrey Epstein was
by all accounts charismatic guy, and so yes, there are
innocent people who knew him, and people think, oh, you
must be guilty because you knew him, or even flying
on the jet. I mean that's not and even attending
the island is not evidence of guilt. The problem is
(11:22):
that there are guilty people and until any anyone is
brought to justice, and the statute of limitations on crimes
against miners is I don't believe there is one in
some cases, so they really do need to arrest. And
the thing, I've got many questions left, and so I'm
glad the files are coming out. You know, innocent people
(11:43):
I think will remain innocent. I don't think anybody's gonna
grab pitchforks and torches and and and you know, lynch them.
But you know, it's it's a tricky thing because until somebody,
you know, when you're talking about crimes against miners. That's
people get really upset about that, understandably, and so you'd
love for I know, a couple. I mean, so, here's
one thing I reported in the book Control of Arts
(12:06):
about Bill Gates's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein is it ran
through the bank JP Morgan, and there was an executive
at that bank. And I've seen the emails between that
executive and Jeffrey Epstein and they are horrific. I mean,
you just search for JP Morgan at Jeffrey Epstein. Disney
(12:26):
characters the executive name, and he's, by the way, been
indicted on several other charges for other things. So's he's
not a good guy, the JP Morgan executive. But Disney
was referring, you know, I was with Beauty there, I
was with Belle last time, or you know snow White
last time. They're using code names talking about his time
(12:48):
at the island in return your stomach. Don't don't read
the emails, but they're out there. The New York Post
reported them and others. So there is enough smoke here
and even some fire that people really want some justice.
I'm one of the people who wants a guy who
went to the island and committed crimes against children. Yeah,
brought to justice. So until that happens, I think there's
(13:09):
going to be a lot of anger about it. And
I'm glad that, you know, the Trump administration kind of
came around to it.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Seamus, thanks for the time you've been generous with it
this morning. We're here for you anytime you want to
get some things out there to some folks. So we
may be a small pond, but we have a big splash.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yes you do, Yes you do. Precidval. Thank you so much,
have a great morning.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Thank you, sir. Seamus Berner with us from the Government
Accountability Institute. He's the director of research his book Controlled Garks.
We had him on when the book came out and
again meticulously researched. Gee. I just doesn't mess around with
that stuff. That's why they're so respected because they just
(13:55):
where the evidence leads is where they go. And if
that's on the right side of the aisle, it's on
the right side of the out if it's on the left,
it's on the left. So my thanks to him and
all the work that they do with the Government Accountability Institute.
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