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September 10, 2025 • 15 mins
Dr. Bob McClure, James Madison Institute, popped in for his monthly visit with Preston.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Here we go, third hour the Morning Show with President Scott.
You're talking with our good friend from the James Madison Institute,
doctor Bob McClure. And good to see you, sir. How
are you well. I'm doing great, but you're a wealth
of information. Off air, we holy smoked, right right, yeah,
But but you know what we were we were talking fundamentally,

(00:26):
you know, the America, We've we've lost our way a
little bit. We've lost control of the public education system,
and I think we're fighting to catch up.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
We are, we are and and and you know, there's
some things I haven't agreed with with the President on,
but this is a struggle we did. I don't think
we realized just how horrible the last four years have been.
You probably saw yesterday. And and this is I wouldn't

(00:57):
say minor, but it's certainly the issue. They revised downwardly
almost a million job creation. You know, it's nine hundred
and eleven thousand. Oh, they just revised it downward during
the Biden administration. That's just one thing we're you know,
we can go over all the other sortid issues, the
auto pen the you know, twenty one percent cumulative inflation,

(01:22):
the debt, the the embarrassment on the international stage, no
fear from our enemies. Listen, do you think it matters?

Speaker 1 (01:30):
I asked this of Congresswoman Kat Camick. Does it matter
that we know who was running the country when Joe
Biden was sitting in the office, because he certainly wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah, I think it does. I think we have to
find out. I think we have. And that's the you know, this,
this auto pen thing is easy for people to say,
come on, it's not let's just move on. I get it.
But we have to find out who was running the country,
whether it was Susan Rice or you know, somebody else.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
It was Barack Obama or Barack Obama, it's the Obiden administration.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Right right, right right, But we have to find out
what happened because we have these people, you know there,
it's notorious in DC. Nobody ever pays. There are no consequences,
and the American people understand that, and that's why they're
so disgusted with both parties and really why Trump wins. Yes,
because they're disgusted with both parties and there are never

(02:24):
any consequences. And so but we have to find out
what happened. We have to get answers. It's the slow process,
but we're getting there. All those behind closed door meetings
with different people, it's it's important to do.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Since you and I last visited, Jam, I released a
study tell us about it.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
It was on an election reform called the gold standard.
How Florida became the gold standard for the country from
Bush v. Bush v.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Gore to today. Isn't that a lesson on? Okay, you
screwed up, look at what you did and fix it.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what we did. And so everybody
remembers Bush v. Gore and the hanging Chad's and the
chaos and oh my gosh, Shepherd Smith, Yeah yeah, Shep Smith,
whatever happened to that guy? And then you know Tallahassee,
I'm like, hey, I know where that reporter stand and
I know he's you know, behind him is the old
Singh store right or whatever?

Speaker 1 (03:21):
You know?

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Right? And now here we are today, just go back
to the most recent election. First of all, we have
twenty three million people in this state. We have a
thousand people moving here today almost We have two time zones.
We are the most diverse state in the country, along
with Texas and California. And yet we know by midnight
every single election now who's won every race up and

(03:44):
down the ballot, every every night. And there are a
lot of there are a lot of reasons why. And
so the study looks at how did we get from
the chaos and the incompetence of Bush v. Gore to
being the single best state when it comes to running elections.
We're not a static state. We're not a small state.
We are a vast dynamic. I mean, you've got Liberty

(04:06):
County with eleven thousand people in the entire county, and
you've got Miami Dade with almost three million, like two
point eight. How do we do it? And so it
is an opportunity for other states to look and say, Okay,
Florida can do that. We can do that, we can
do that. California is probably still counting ballots from last November, right,

(04:28):
and so, and we can get into talk about conspiracy theorists.
I believe there are people who want chaos in our elections.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
That's what I was going to say.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yeah. So, but in what we find out, and this
is for for your our conservative friends who are listening,
the left wants to argue process Preston. We want to
argue policy, and when you fix the process, the left
has to argue policy and they lose. And that's why
Florida's gold standard is so important.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Back with doctor Bob McLure the James Madison Institute, we're
talking about elections, we're talking about the gold standard that
is now Florida. Yet we still have other places that
aren't doing. This is where I've argued, I think that constitutionally,
doctor McClure, there's an argument that can be made legally

(05:21):
that the government has a right to set standards for
how federal elections are conducted, how a state runs its
own elections. No, it cannot, but it can say, in
my opinion, okay, you're going to all use optical scanners
and a paper ballot, so there's a backup, so we
have a paper backup of everything.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Well, I think the Trump administration is trying to do that.
You saw with the executive order on voter ID. Right.
Is it going to hold up in court?

Speaker 1 (05:47):
I don't know, But wouldn't that be the argument, Hey,
you do your state however you want, but from a
federal election standpoint, Because I thought the Supreme Court was
wrong to say, Texas didn't have standing when it challenged
the twenty two twenty race, right, because every state has
standing when the election affects every state.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Right. Well, yeah, courts are reluctant to get involved in
those kinds of things. Yeah, post the elections. So I
think there's part of that. But I do, yes, and
I think there's a role for the feds. The question
is who's fed Is it going to be Is it
going to be the Biden administrations federal government or the
Trump administration's federal government. So that that is, and that

(06:26):
leads to another concern. You know, Look, I'm I'm I'm
bullish on President Trump. I think he's doing some great things.
I'm kind of a Trump a la carte. There's some
things I don't I don't like, I don't like taking
over intel. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Probably me. I'm not an always Trumper and I'm not
an never Trump.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
No no, no, no, no no, and so. But but I do believe,
you know, there's a role for the FEDS to play
in elections with some of these things. My concern is
what happens when you have a Biden type administration in
charge and then they're all of a sudden deciding hows
are going to be run in Pennsylvania or in Wisconsin

(07:03):
or you know, some of the other problem children, Arizona, Georgia,
although Georgia seems to have fixed a lot of its problems.
So that's fully right, right, So that's my concern. But
I do think the FED, can you know what incentives matter? Right?
Disincentives matter, So I think the FED has a role
to play certainly there when it comes to elections and

(07:25):
election reform. There is no reason, Preston for states not
to know within twenty four hours, even the night of
the election who won. And one of the things Florida
does is they count ahead of time. Right now, we
don't know how Preston Scott voted, but we know that
Preston Scott has voted. And every night you can go

(07:47):
on Twitter and see, oh, one hundred thousand Republicans voted
in Florida, eighty thousand Democrats and fifty thousand no party
affiliation NPAs.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Every day and when the pod and when the polls close,
those numbers are released, yes, not before.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Though, yes. And the mail in ballot I know the
President doesn't like mail in ballots. I'm they give me
some heartburn. But they work in Florida. They have to
be in by seven o'clock.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
That's the key. In some of these states. They're saying
that they can come in whenever.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Give me a break, right, two weeks, four weeks later, Yes,
not signed. You know you signed an affidavit every time
you mail in your ballots saying that is me. You
know that's a felony here in Florida if that's not you.
And so you know they have to be in that day,
that night that you can drop them off. You can
track it online, you know, mark early here in Leon County.

(08:41):
You know, my elderly grandfather or grandfather father doesn't drive anymore.
He fills out his ballot, you drop it off. I
can track it online. My grandfather and my father didn't
even know what online means.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
And but but we and it's incumbent on the voter,
Bob to take into account. For example, right now in Tallahassee,
our mail goes to jack when it comes back, well,
I guess if you're gonna vote by mail, you better
take that into account.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yes, and you better have it.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
You know, you better take a couple of weeks to
make sure your ballet gets in on time, right, and
why we don't do that nationwide and say okay, when
at eleven to fifty nine, that's it, they don't have it.
It doesn't count. Yeah, we're not there.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
No, No, we're not because there are people who want
chaos because it gins up voter turnout for certain groups
from one. But it also takes your focus off of
the issues and turns the focus to Jim Crow two
point zero or racism, the crisis of the day driving

(09:41):
down voter turnout of certain groups. Yes, the crisis of
the day instead of the policies that matter. That's what
I love about Donald Trump. That is one thing he's doing.
He has said this is you'll like me, this is
what I'm gonna do, and gone, and he's doing it.
The second thing is he gets he's getting after it
like Washington, d C. And And you know all of

(10:02):
these different things. People know what he's gonna do. They
may not love him, they may be agnostic towards him.
They probably voted for him. But but but Kamala Harris
never said what she was going to do. There was
no he never knew what she was going to do.
She wasn't capable of saying no, she's afraid to say it.
Joining is doctor Bob McClure. More to come on the
Morning Show with Preston Scott. Final few minutes here with

(10:31):
doctor Bob McClure with the James Madison Institute. You may
or may not have heard my visit yesterday with Paul Renner.
Uh In disclosure, Paul was an associate worked briefly with
the johnsh Madison Institute, SCLN residents at JMI good Man
Bright Bright, delightful, sharp button down. With that said, give

(10:53):
me your evaluation of kind of where we are in
the governor's race. Well, I think you have Paul's jumped in.
I think obviously Byron is.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Kind of the lead dog out of the gate because
of Trump's endorsement.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Oh, it's got to be Trump's endorsement. If you we
did a poll at JMI. Now this was before Renerd
Paul got in. Now full disclosure. I know both gentlemen
really well. I like both of them very much. They'd
both do a great job. We did a poll at JMI,
and we had at that point it was Byron Donald's

(11:32):
against Casey DeSantis in the field. Okay, because at that
point this was you know, six months ago people thought
Casey was going to get in.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Is this strictly GOP nomination?

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yeah, we did. We did a democratic polling as well, Okay,
but that was separate. But we did. It was democratic
the democratic field. When people did not know that Byron
was in the Republican primary, did not know when that
Byron was endorsed by Trump. When they did not know it,
it was basically eve in between Byron and Casey. When
they found out that Trump had endorsed Byron, He's up

(12:06):
twenty three points over Casey. So you look at Trump's
work in Florida. In twenty sixteen, he barely won the
state one hundred thousand votes. In twenty twenty, he wins
it by four hundred thousand. In twenty twenty four, he
wins it by a million and.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
A half votes. He trounced. It's a lot like the
DeSantis curve.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Right, right, Yeah, that's exactly right. And so Florida has
become more and more read. There are a lot of
reasons why, driven by a Hispanic community growth that is
very conservative, and finally Republican conservatives figured out how to
talk to, you know, various groups in the correct way
voter registration in Florida, I mean well over a million.

(12:45):
It might be a million and a half. Now more
Republicans than Democrats. The Democratic parties in trouble, in danger
of becoming a third party in Florida behind NPAs.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
It's like a almost a two and a half to
three million votes swing.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah in registrate. Yeah, and we see that naturally. But
in Florida, Florida is the canary in the coal mine.
It always is when it comes to policy. So the
Democratic Party here, what do they? I mean, they're a
train wreck, right, I mean they're for weed and no
bunch and no right, weed and abortion. That's really kind
of all Nikky Free talks about, right. And So the

(13:22):
point is that when Byron has that endorsement, when it's
clear to the Republican primary voter, he wins the primary.
He's up twenty three. Paul is a great guy. Paul's
gonna give Byron a run for his money. We need
good people. Iron sharpens iron absolutely. I think that's great.
We don't need a coronation, right.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
What I hope is they don't make each other enemies,
that they consider each other colleagues and just to sharpen
each other, right, right.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
But there's a third variable that's out there, and that's
Jay Collins. Do you think the lieutenant government? I mean,
I'm just saying it's a variable. I don't know what
that means.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
What about Casey DeSantis? You think she's made the decision
just to lay.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Out I have no knowledge of it. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
It just seems that the talk has died away.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
M yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Is there any viable candidate on the Democrats side? Jason
Pizzo to me put a a nail in the coffin
of the Democrats when he said, I can't even be
part of your party.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Right right? I mean David Jolly, who is the Charlie
crist Of of the you know, Republican Democrats, humiliated himself. So,
I mean, short of some scandal we're unaware of, Preston,
I don't. I don't see it, but I do think.
I do think the primary is going to be uh

(14:42):
healthy or can be can be healthy and a and
a good thing to have. Let's let's argue, let's let's
fight it out. Let's sharpen our positions so that when
we get to the general they're ready to go. So
I think it's a good thing. Paul's a great guy,
Byron's a great guy. Jay Collins is a great guy.
I'm all absolutely and I you know, I think it's

(15:02):
I don't think it's a bad thing.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
I want whoever is going to be willing to tackle
the Everify problem. I have personal reasons for that. Yeah,
thanks for the time. Thanks for having me always, Doctor
Bob McLure of the James Madison Institute my guests, twenty
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