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July 17, 2025 16 mins
Terrfific visit with, perhaps, the foremost expert on the Kennedy family. This is a deep dive into the life of John F. Kennedy, before, during, and after his death. 
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
If I passed the hour third hour morning show with
Preston's Guy Good Morning Show five four and ten. But
who's counting that would say it's Studio one A. I
am here in Studio one B. My guests joined me.
When his last book was released, Jackie Public, Private, Secret,

(00:28):
it was a best seller on every bestseller list that
there was. If there is an expert on the Kennedys,
it is this gentleman author, Randy Terra Borelli. Randy, welcome
back to the show.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
How are you, sir, I'm good, Preston. How you doing? Man?

Speaker 1 (00:42):
I am terrific.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
I have been.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
I have been thrilled to have this book in my
hands for a few weeks now, and I figure we
might as well break it up. We got three segments
to chat here, so let's talk Public, Private, and Secret.
But I'm curious. JFK. By many is considered the first
public president because he came in in the television era.

(01:06):
How did you begin to find things with a man
so public so written about that filled in the space
for I mean, this book's huge.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Well, Preston, I made a decision when I started this
book two and a half years ago that if I
couldn't break new ground. I just wasn't going to do
it because I know what you're saying. I'm looking on
my bookshelf right now at about one hundred JFK books,
and they're all really good books, you know. But what

(01:39):
I do, what I specialize in is family as well
as in politics. And you know, what I found is
that most of the other writers were so consumed by,
you know, the important politics at the time. And the
politics was definitely, you know, right all at that period,
in this period of time, with the civil rights movement, Vietnam,

(02:00):
I'm Cuba, Castro Cuban missile crisis, the Bay of Pigs,
all of which I wrote about. But I used the family,
not only his but Jackies as a backdrop. And I
think the death's where this book is different. For instance,
whoever thought about writing about JFK's relationship with his mother
in law, right, I mean, you would never think to

(02:21):
do that, But man, what a powerful relationship that is.
And that's kind of what this book lands on. My
brand is really about family, and that's what this book
is about.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
I'm curious did Jack Kennedy have a choice in becoming
who he became, because it seems as though boy Dad
called a lot of the shots in that family.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Well, you know, you're right. I mean, the dad was
a very powerful figure in the family, and Joe Kennedy,
the older brother, was really the man who was supposed
to become president. I mean, that was the goal ever
since Joe Kennedy entered Harvard. But then he was killed
in the war, and next up was JFK. But you know,

(03:11):
a popular sort of fallacy has been that, you know,
JFK really didn't have much say in it, But in fact,
he was already very invested in politics by the time
his brother was killed. No doubt his brother would have
been next. But then I think it would have been
JFK's turn, because he really wanted to be a public servant,

(03:32):
and he believed in he believed in his country, and
he believed in democracy, and from a very early age
he was very invested, and so I think he would
have been next had his brother lived.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
The book is JFK Public Private Secret? I'm with the
author Randy Terra Borelli. Randy, you've written five books on
the Kennedys. Obviously, we want to walk this fine line
of enticing people to pick up the book, but given
him a little bit of information and not crossing the
line into spoiling. I'm curious what percentage of the public
portion of this book was new to you as a

(04:10):
researcher and someone that knows the Kennedy's as well as anybody.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Well, Preston, I have to say a lot of it
because you know, my previous Kennedy books were really focused
on Jackie. You know, I did Jackie Ethel Joan twenty
five years ago, which was about Jackie and her relationships
with her sisters in law Ethel and Joe Kennedy. And
I did Jackie Janet and Lee, which was about her
and her mother and her sister. And I did Jackie

(04:34):
Public Private Secret, which was about Jackie sort of Cradle
the Brave. But you know, it's one thing to write
about the wife during the Cuban missile crisis and the
Bay of Pigs and you know, the beginnings of Vietnam.
It's another thing to go into the Oval Office, you know,
where Jackie wasn't and deal with JFK and his decision making.

(04:58):
And a lot of this was new to me. And
I have to say that, I think if you really
want a primer on the Kennedy years without being sort
of overwhelmed. You can kind of dip into this book
and really get a sense of what was going on
in the country at that time as I did. I
mean for me, basically, it was homework every day for

(05:19):
two and a half years as I learned about these
the Bay of Pigs and the Cuban missile crisis and
Castro and the Berlin Wall, you know, and Kruse, Jeff
and all of the players of that time. So I
just a lot of it was new for me, you know,
and I think it will be hopefully for the reader too.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Back with you with author Randy Terraborelli the book JFK.
Public Private Secret. Randy, I don't want to assign what
I think, but I've got this picture of you as
you're researching this book and the way you break it
down with Public Private Secret. You come across these anecdotes
and I figure you're pitching them into one of the
three cyclos. How did you define which where a given anecdote,

(06:11):
story or fact would go.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Well, you know, for me, if it's well known history,
then that's public. I mean, some things will not change, right,
The Cuban missile crisis is always going to be exactly
what it was, and there are very few secrets left
to the Cuban missile crisis. People have written entire books
about that, right and so that's public. Private is you know,

(06:37):
along the lines of medical records and you know, presidential decisions,
you know, maybe between him and his brother and his cabinet,
and and there's a lot of that obviously. In this book.
Secret for Me is sort of the hidden personality of JFK.

(07:00):
You know, the journey of this man who was raised
entitled and privileged and with sort of a distinct lack
of empathy to grow into a leader and to grow
into a man who was accountable for his actions not
only to his wife but to the country. That's kind

(07:20):
of the secret thread, if you will, in this book,
because I found, you know, that hit and personality with
JFK to be very very very interesting and something I
really didn't know a lot about. I mean, I knew
that he cheated on his wife because I wrote about
the wife, sure, you know, but I didn't know why,

(07:41):
you know. And in this book I really learned a
lot about the whys of a JFK.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
At what point do you as a researcher and an author,
decide that this is just too private. I don't need
to share this.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
That's such a good question, And no one ever asked
me that question. And I got to think about that.
You know, I think for me, and I believe me,
there's a lot like that. A lot comes across my
desk and I'm like, you know what, no, not really,
let's let's not do this. And and a lot of
it has to do pressing with the act, with the
feeling that there's not enough context. You know, it's because

(08:21):
I wasn't there, and and and that might be a
decision that was made to do something that I really
think is was not a great decision. But I don't
know all the reasons why the decision was made. And
I always tell my researchers. I have a staff of
people who helped me with my books. Just because something

(08:41):
is true doesn't mean it needs to be in the books.
You know, it needs to move the story forward in
a way that is empathetic and dignified. If it's just
going to be something that's in there for titillation purposes
or or because maybe it might sell books, now, that's

(09:03):
not what I do you know, and so I guess
really to answer your question, it's my own moral compass
and the way that I was raised and how I
feel about people and wanting to just be fair. You know,
as a biographer and as an historian, you know, being
fair really matters.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
We got one segment left with me, Randy Terri Borelli,
author JFK Public Private Secret. Well, you know what's left.
We're going to talk about secret here in the Morning
Show with Preston Scott. Twenty three plus years of doing
this show, I probably interviewed eight nine thousand folks, and
I can tell you with all honesty, Randy Terri Borelli

(09:44):
is the only author that's given me three perfect segments.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Well two so far. So let's wait and see how
that works out.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
No, listen, you can't make it up. JFK. The book
is JFK Public Private Secret. When we get to the
sea secret portion of this, how much of the secret
is his personal private life? How much of it is
his work as a member of Congress or President of

(10:14):
the United States.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Well, President, the secret really is a private life, you know.
I mean, it really does have to deal with the
private decision making. And you know what it was that
led him to be, you know, such a terrible husband
to his wife. And you know, throughout history, it's always
been blamed on the father, you know, it's the common

(10:40):
sort of trope has always been, you know, the father
Joe Kennedy cheated on the mother, Ruis Kennedy, and so
JFK then cheated on Jackie. And I always thought that
it is such an easy leap and such a sort
of you know, not really smart way of looking at it,
but sort of like the way of looking at.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
It that's a cop out.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Yeah, And so I did a lot of research, and
I found that it's partly true, but it's not entirely true,
because the rest of it is the mother. It's the
mother's sort of complicity and the father's cheating, and even
more than that, the mother and father hiring somebody to

(11:25):
live in the house with them. Joe and Rose hired
a woman named Janet de Rose. She was twenty four
to live in the house with them to service the
father not only sexually but also emotionally, because Rose didn't
want a lot to do with him. And so I
interviewed this woman, Janet de Rose. She was one hundred
years old, when I interviewed her a two years ago,

(11:47):
A great woman, a great memory, and she told me
the story of how she was brought into the family
as sort of Joe's secretary, but also somebody to service
him actually, and also to be somebody to do to
traffic in emotionally, because the whole point was for Rose

(12:10):
Kennedy to distance herself and travel the world. She could
not leave her marriage because of their religion, you know,
being Catholic, divorce was out of the question. So this
was a way that they figured out a way forward
by bringing Janet into the family. And I think that
this is a long way of saying that if you're

(12:31):
raised in a family where this is going on, then
how are you supposed to be a husband to you know,
to a wife. No if that, if your influence was this,
you know, your parents hired somebody to live in the
family sleep right down the hall, to serve with your father.

(12:51):
Of course you're not going to be the best husband
in your own marriage. And so JFK, you know, had
a lot to work through, and so did Jackie in
their marriage to sort of overcome this really really bad influence.
Not only as I said of the father's influence. But
the mom who you know, who allowed this? When Joe

(13:15):
hired Janet wrote, said what do I get out of it?
And Joe's response was freedom? And Rose said, fine, let's
bring her in and that's what they did.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
I'm curious. I mean, I think I know the answer
to this. But but JFK and Jackie that that relationship
would never have survived in this era, would it.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Well, you're absolutely right, because women today are a different
breed of powerment right number one, when most women would
not put up with this, right and number two, in
the public eye, this would have this would have been
all over TMZ, right. I mean, there's no way that
you know, JFK would have been able to get away

(14:00):
with the infidelity that he got away with as a
public figure. Today today, there would be no way it
would be all over the newspapers. And back then in
the nineteen sixties, there was sort of a gentleman's agreement
with the press, you know, that you don't write about
a person's private life. And that all changed with Watergate

(14:22):
in the seventies. Yeah, you know, and Richard Nixon and
people started really thinking, okay, you know, does character matter?
You know, by the time Richard Nixon was impeached, people
were wondering, Okay, now let's think about this in a
different way. And I'm not saying that character matters even
today in politics. I'm not saying that do.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
We know better.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
I'm just saying that people at least are wondering about it.
Right back in the sixties, we didn't even wonder about it.
We just let it go. You know, there was a
time in our country, believe it or not, when people
really don't care what the president was doing. He just
kind of assumed he was doing the right thing because
he was the president. Right.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Well, how much you were well, let me just ask you.
We've got about a minute left here. How much of
this at that time? Was the media looking the other way?
They kind of they had to know something was going on.
They look the other way because the media largely loved JFK.
They loved him, and the public loved him because of

(15:25):
the whole Camelot thing.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Well, there's a lot of that going on, Kristin. But also,
you know, Republicans weren't that crazy about JFK. You know,
I mean, they love him now they would have. So,
I mean, I just think that the climate of the
Times was that we don't really get in we don't
get into this, you know, no matter what your political affiliation,

(15:51):
let's just stay away from this. And you know, and
it worked to JFK's vantage because I don't know that
he would have been able to even get into office
of a lot of the had been known.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
Randy, great stuff. I can't wait to get through the
rest of the book. I appreciate your time this morning,
and best of success.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
I appreciate it very much.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Thank you, Randy. Terri Borelli is the author of the
book JFK Public Private Secret. It is a big, hefty read,
and the chapters are broken down in a way that
makes this a really good nightstand book because you can
go through and then put it down, then pick it
right back up, and it really is well done, as

(16:32):
was the book Jackie and all of his books. And
appreciate having him on the program. Twenty eight minutes past
the hour
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