August 14, 2025 • 15 mins
One of our favorite regular guests, Justin Haskins of the Heartland Institutute, chatted up some meaty topics with our host.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
We have not a moment to lose, because Justin Haskins
joins us for the third hour here this morning. It
is Tuesday, August the twelfth. Can't believe it, Christmas already
hitting some of the stores. It's crazy. Before you know it,
it'll be here and then a new year will be here.
But great to be with you, ruminators. That's Jose. I'm Preston,
(00:26):
and here is Justin Haskins of the Heartland Institute, the
website Stoppingsocialism dot com, writing books with Glenn Beck writing
in general, justin, how are you?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I'm doing well, how are you?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Did you ever think stoppingsocialism dot com would become so
crucially important to a mayoral election in maybe the largest
city in America?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, yeah, I did. I actually saw all of this
coming many years ago, not specifically in New York City.
Although the whole project for Stopping Socialism we have a
Stopping Socialism TV channel by the way, on YouTube as well.
You could check that out.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
The whole project was started as a reaction to Alexandria
O Kazio Cortez winning her primary way back in twenty eighteen.
That was sort of the genesis of this idea, and
it was because we saw when you actually it wasn't
just a New York thing. It was everywhere when you
(01:33):
actually start looking at polling data, especially among younger people socialism.
It depends on how you ask the question, but it's
very clear when you try to get to the heart
of it. Socialism is very popular amongst younger people and
the next generation when they become the primary voting generation,
(01:54):
it's going to be a huge problem for this country.
And that was the idea behind stopping socialism and the
whole project that we build around it. Like I said,
the videos, the website, We've done a lot of speeches
and books and all kinds of stuff. So just it's
it's vitally important. I mean just absolutely vitally important.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Has visitation to the website gone up since mom Donnie
won the primary.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I don't know if we'll ever reach the heights of
the Bernie Sanders presidential near presidential win. I think that
that was probably the height of it. But I think
we're going to see it skyrocket even more than what
we've seen in the past in this next upcoming presidential election,
because I think the socialists are going to make a
(02:44):
real play for the Democratic Party primary. I don't know
who that person is going to be. It could be AOC,
could be somebody else. It could be a Bernie Sanders
AOC ticket or something like that, because Bernie's too old
to be on the top of it. But I I
think we're going to see another chance for the Democratic
Socialists to have a presidential candidate at top of that ticket.
(03:08):
Are there something we're going to see it really soon?
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Are there some deep pockets that would put some ads
for your website on? Say, oh, I don't know the
Times Square Electric billboard.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Well, we're working on it. We're working on it, and
that would be awesome if we could pull that off.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, it would, Yeah, it would. I just wanted to
make sure we talked about that site because we haven't
in a while, and it's a very First of all,
it's a very well done site. It's a great site
for parents to cruise around with their kids and start
introducing them to the fundamental basic concepts of socialism and
why it is so bad for our country.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yes, thank you very much. Yeah, we put a lot
of work on it. There's hundreds of articles on there.
Some of them are more news oriented, stuff, but a
lot of it is the articles about the basics of
what socialism is, why it doesn't work. We don't use
any straw mans. We use the arguments that real socialists
(04:07):
make themselves, and we interact with those. Some of the
articles are short, some are very long, And like I said,
we've got a whole bunch of videos on YouTube as well,
stopping socials and TV where we deal with all kinds
of different things, topical news of the day type stuff,
but also again like the evergreen basics of combating against socialism.
(04:28):
Now more than ever, this is a huge, huge problem.
I think a lot of Americans sought on the right
that it was kind of dying out after the last
round of AOC nonsense you know, several years ago, and
the Green New Deal got rejected in all of that.
But I don't think that's going to be the case.
As we're seeing in New York City and elsewhere, Minneapolis
and other places. This is a huge, huge problem moving forward,
(04:51):
and it's only going to get worse as the AI
revolution starts to take more and more jobs. I think
that's going to be a huge issue as well.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
What is the best thing that's going to come out
of or has come out of the One Big Beautiful Bill.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I think the easiest one that you could look to
is the border security funding a massive amount of money
for border security, more ice agents, I mean, more border
walls and things like that. I mean, I never thought
that that was going to happen in my lifetime. To
be totally on you, I just did not think it
(05:32):
was ever going to happen. So I think that's that's
probably one of the biggest things. Economically, The biggest victory
was extending the tax cuts. That was so absolutely vital.
I think they made a mistake actually putting that in
the Big Beautiful Bill. I think that just should have
been a standalone thing on its own. But that was
(05:53):
if we hadn't If the tax cuts from twenty seventeen
were not extended, the personal tax cuts, they were set
to expire at the end of this year, if they
were not extended in this bill, the economy would have
for sure crashed. There's just no question about it. The
economy would have crashed, everyone's taxes would have gone up.
It would have been catastrophic. So that was absolutely necessary.
(06:16):
So to me, those are the two big victories, the
border security and making sure that the tax cuts were extended.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Is the border such an issue at this point even
with Democrats except for the extreme loonies. Even with Democrats, though,
that issue pulls real strongly that we've got to control
our border. Do you think that is sufficient enough to
keep it that way, keep it secured, even if Democrats
were to control Congress in the White House.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
No, Okay, no, I don't think so. And the reason
why is because a lot of the problems that we
had on the border were not just that there was
not a lot of good security there at times in
certain places. It was that the policies surrounding it with
giving people, allowing people to claim asylum and say that
(07:09):
they're being persecuted when obviously a lot of them were
not really being persecuted, and then that being used as
a way to just let people into the country, millions
of people, even if they were caught, even if they
went to the border, and they were so under a
democratic president that that law is still an option for them.
They can still interpret the law that way. The Trump
(07:29):
administration is not, but the next president could, and in
those cases they literally will just let people in. It
doesn't matter what the border security is you just walk
up to the border and you say, I claim asylum
and then they let you in. So it's it's a
that's a huge, huge part of the problem, and some
(07:49):
of that is, you know, hopefully going to be fixed.
But really I think that there are ways around all
of these things, and Congress did not rune ironclad protections.
We still need an immigration reform bill in Congress. We
really haven't gotten that.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
What's the worst that's come out of the first seven
months of the Trump administration?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
What is the worst? Okay, well, I think there's a
couple of things. I think long term, I'm going to
give you kind of an off the wall answer in
a second. My short answer is spending in government debt
and all of that. That is a crisis that has
not even there's not even an attempt to try to
(08:37):
solve it. And I'm not surprised because the Trump administration
did not try to solve it the first time around.
Either they're not going to do it now. We need
entitlement reforms in order to fix that problem, and Congress
doesn't want to do that both sides, and so we
are going to continue going down this road where our
economy is going to becoming more and more dependent on debt.
(08:59):
The affects the interest rates, It affects every in the
interest rates, effect the housing market, it affects everything. And
so this is a huge crisis level problem for US,
and there is no effort in Washington to fix it.
So that's my short answer.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Justin Haskins gave us a brilliant tease for this final segment.
He said, I've got an idea that is out there
just a little bit. And when I asked him in
the break, I also want to talk about the one
thing that people are not discussing that's not on their
radar that should be he said, it's the same thing.
So justin go, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
There was a law that was passed very recently led
Donald Trump with a big supporter of it. A lot
of Republicans in Congress were advocates for it called the
Genius Act, and the Genius Act one of the main
things that it was doing was trying to regulate something
called stable coins, put a government stamp of approval stable coins,
(10:01):
increase regulations on stable coins. Stable Coins are a kind
of cryptocurrency, so like bitcoin and stuff like that, except
their value is tied. It's pegged to something stable, so
in this case the dollar. So the way it works
is essentially a cryptocurrency that is equal to always a dollar.
(10:23):
So it's a way to use to have a digital
dollar without actually having the government create a digital dollar. Now,
the legislation that they put into place, the reason Republicans
like it is because there's a lot of advantages to
having a digital currency, but they don't want the government
(10:43):
in charge of it or the set in charge of
it for a lot of reasons that we can all
imagine as conservatives. We it's way too much power in
their hands. The problem is the people who are behind,
not all of them, but many of the people behind
the biggest stable coin companies out there right now, there's
already hundreds of billions of dollars worth of stable coins
(11:06):
out there. Are the great Reset people, They're the Davos people.
It's Blackrock and companies like that that are the big
owners of these things. And these are the people who
were just trying to silence conservatives, destroy the fossil fuel industry,
force esg down everyone's throats, and now they are the
(11:27):
key people behind what is essentially a government approved quasi
digital dollar that can be tracked and traced and controlled.
They can tell you what you can spend it on
and what you can't spend it on. And as institutions
adopt this more and more and more, which is far
(11:47):
more likely now that the government has put its stamp
of approval on it and said we're going to regulate
it and make sure that it's safe. This is going
to become, in my opinion, a massive, massive, massive problem
because this is there's going to be widespread adoption of
this all throughout the banking industry. It's already starting. It's
going to speed up over the next several years. It's
(12:09):
going to be common for people to use digital dollars
through these stable coins, and without any privacy protections or
liberty protections. They didn't put any of that in the bill.
They just passed it and gave all this power to
the black Rocks of the world without protecting individuals. And
there was no reason to do that. They could have
(12:30):
easily put those protections in the bill. So for me
down the road, say five years into the future, I
think this could be like a crisis level problem. If
we have a Democrat in the White House that wants
to work in a public private partnership with the black
rocks of the world, just like they did with ESG
to control what you can buy and what you can sell,
and who the good guys and bad guys are and
(12:52):
all of that stuff, just like they were doing with
social credit scores before.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Who's fighting it in the House and Senate? Anybody?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Some people who fought against it. Josh Holly in the Senate,
for example, is one of those people. But for the
most part, Republicans were in favor of it, and a
lot of the Democrats were in favor of it too.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
How much have you written about it?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I've written a decent amount. I actually published some articles
and some big publications and things like that. But for
the most part, the establishment I did Glenbeck Show and
some of some bigger shows talking about that as well.
But the reality is the Republicans and Donald Trump were
openly in favor of it. I mean, they were advocating
(13:36):
for it, and because of that, there was just no
way that it was going to die. It's just there
was way too much support behind it from the very beginning.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Is anyone starting to see the potential problems now that
it's out there and maybe rethinking or is that just
not there yet.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Well, I mean there were, like I said, Josh Hall
and people like that are atting some of the same
concerns that I had, But for the most part, no,
And it's because it seems like a free market solution
to a problem, you know, And that's that's the thing.
Because there's a lot of benefits to having a digital dollar.
You can do you basically transmit it around the world
(14:18):
twenty four to seven for almost nothing, So there's it's
it's a much better system than a banking system we
have now where it takes days to move money in
some cases. So there are real advantages to it, but
there are also huge problems, and those problems are just
being ignored. And I think while you have Donald Trump
in the White House, there really aren't any threats. But
(14:40):
that's not what I'm worried about. I'm worried about the
next president or the president after that. I'm worried about
the next you know, Joe Biden type of president, or
Barack Obama. And I think they're setting the stage for
a catastrophe down the road because they didn't put personal
liberty protections in that legislation, and there was no reason
why they couldn't have done it, so very very frustrating.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Justin, hang on for a second. I want to talk
to you real quick as we wrap up here. But
thanks for the time this morning. Of course, Justin Haskins
with me. I'm gonna visit with him in a second
here off air, just us talking, you know us, guy's talking.
We've got the news coming up. We've got the big
stories in the press box. Howard Eisman joins us with
some money talk. More to come on The Morning Show
(15:22):
with Preston Scott
We have not a moment to lose, because Justin Haskins
joins us for the third hour here this morning. It
is Tuesday, August the twelfth. Can't believe it, Christmas already
hitting some of the stores. It's crazy. Before you know it,
it'll be here and then a new year will be here.
But great to be with you, ruminators. That's Jose. I'm Preston,
(00:26):
and here is Justin Haskins of the Heartland Institute, the
website Stoppingsocialism dot com, writing books with Glenn Beck writing
in general, justin, how are you?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I'm doing well, how are you?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Did you ever think stoppingsocialism dot com would become so
crucially important to a mayoral election in maybe the largest
city in America?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, yeah, I did. I actually saw all of this
coming many years ago, not specifically in New York City.
Although the whole project for Stopping Socialism we have a
Stopping Socialism TV channel by the way, on YouTube as well.
You could check that out.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
The whole project was started as a reaction to Alexandria
O Kazio Cortez winning her primary way back in twenty eighteen.
That was sort of the genesis of this idea, and
it was because we saw when you actually it wasn't
just a New York thing. It was everywhere when you
(01:33):
actually start looking at polling data, especially among younger people socialism.
It depends on how you ask the question, but it's
very clear when you try to get to the heart
of it. Socialism is very popular amongst younger people and
the next generation when they become the primary voting generation,
(01:54):
it's going to be a huge problem for this country.
And that was the idea behind stopping socialism and the
whole project that we build around it. Like I said,
the videos, the website, We've done a lot of speeches
and books and all kinds of stuff. So just it's
it's vitally important. I mean just absolutely vitally important.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Has visitation to the website gone up since mom Donnie
won the primary.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I don't know if we'll ever reach the heights of
the Bernie Sanders presidential near presidential win. I think that
that was probably the height of it. But I think
we're going to see it skyrocket even more than what
we've seen in the past in this next upcoming presidential election,
because I think the socialists are going to make a
(02:44):
real play for the Democratic Party primary. I don't know
who that person is going to be. It could be AOC,
could be somebody else. It could be a Bernie Sanders
AOC ticket or something like that, because Bernie's too old
to be on the top of it. But I I
think we're going to see another chance for the Democratic
Socialists to have a presidential candidate at top of that ticket.
(03:08):
Are there something we're going to see it really soon?
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Are there some deep pockets that would put some ads
for your website on? Say, oh, I don't know the
Times Square Electric billboard.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Well, we're working on it. We're working on it, and
that would be awesome if we could pull that off.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, it would, Yeah, it would. I just wanted to
make sure we talked about that site because we haven't
in a while, and it's a very First of all,
it's a very well done site. It's a great site
for parents to cruise around with their kids and start
introducing them to the fundamental basic concepts of socialism and
why it is so bad for our country.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yes, thank you very much. Yeah, we put a lot
of work on it. There's hundreds of articles on there.
Some of them are more news oriented, stuff, but a
lot of it is the articles about the basics of
what socialism is, why it doesn't work. We don't use
any straw mans. We use the arguments that real socialists
(04:07):
make themselves, and we interact with those. Some of the
articles are short, some are very long, And like I said,
we've got a whole bunch of videos on YouTube as well,
stopping socials and TV where we deal with all kinds
of different things, topical news of the day type stuff,
but also again like the evergreen basics of combating against socialism.
(04:28):
Now more than ever, this is a huge, huge problem.
I think a lot of Americans sought on the right
that it was kind of dying out after the last
round of AOC nonsense you know, several years ago, and
the Green New Deal got rejected in all of that.
But I don't think that's going to be the case.
As we're seeing in New York City and elsewhere, Minneapolis
and other places. This is a huge, huge problem moving forward,
(04:51):
and it's only going to get worse as the AI
revolution starts to take more and more jobs. I think
that's going to be a huge issue as well.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
What is the best thing that's going to come out
of or has come out of the One Big Beautiful Bill.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I think the easiest one that you could look to
is the border security funding a massive amount of money
for border security, more ice agents, I mean, more border
walls and things like that. I mean, I never thought
that that was going to happen in my lifetime. To
be totally on you, I just did not think it
(05:32):
was ever going to happen. So I think that's that's
probably one of the biggest things. Economically, The biggest victory
was extending the tax cuts. That was so absolutely vital.
I think they made a mistake actually putting that in
the Big Beautiful Bill. I think that just should have
been a standalone thing on its own. But that was
(05:53):
if we hadn't If the tax cuts from twenty seventeen
were not extended, the personal tax cuts, they were set
to expire at the end of this year, if they
were not extended in this bill, the economy would have
for sure crashed. There's just no question about it. The
economy would have crashed, everyone's taxes would have gone up.
It would have been catastrophic. So that was absolutely necessary.
(06:16):
So to me, those are the two big victories, the
border security and making sure that the tax cuts were extended.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Is the border such an issue at this point even
with Democrats except for the extreme loonies. Even with Democrats, though,
that issue pulls real strongly that we've got to control
our border. Do you think that is sufficient enough to
keep it that way, keep it secured, even if Democrats
were to control Congress in the White House.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
No, Okay, no, I don't think so. And the reason
why is because a lot of the problems that we
had on the border were not just that there was
not a lot of good security there at times in
certain places. It was that the policies surrounding it with
giving people, allowing people to claim asylum and say that
(07:09):
they're being persecuted when obviously a lot of them were
not really being persecuted, and then that being used as
a way to just let people into the country, millions
of people, even if they were caught, even if they
went to the border, and they were so under a
democratic president that that law is still an option for them.
They can still interpret the law that way. The Trump
(07:29):
administration is not, but the next president could, and in
those cases they literally will just let people in. It
doesn't matter what the border security is you just walk
up to the border and you say, I claim asylum
and then they let you in. So it's it's a
that's a huge, huge part of the problem, and some
(07:49):
of that is, you know, hopefully going to be fixed.
But really I think that there are ways around all
of these things, and Congress did not rune ironclad protections.
We still need an immigration reform bill in Congress. We
really haven't gotten that.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
What's the worst that's come out of the first seven
months of the Trump administration?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
What is the worst? Okay, well, I think there's a
couple of things. I think long term, I'm going to
give you kind of an off the wall answer in
a second. My short answer is spending in government debt
and all of that. That is a crisis that has
not even there's not even an attempt to try to
(08:37):
solve it. And I'm not surprised because the Trump administration
did not try to solve it the first time around.
Either they're not going to do it now. We need
entitlement reforms in order to fix that problem, and Congress
doesn't want to do that both sides, and so we
are going to continue going down this road where our
economy is going to becoming more and more dependent on debt.
(08:59):
The affects the interest rates, It affects every in the
interest rates, effect the housing market, it affects everything. And
so this is a huge crisis level problem for US,
and there is no effort in Washington to fix it.
So that's my short answer.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Justin Haskins gave us a brilliant tease for this final segment.
He said, I've got an idea that is out there
just a little bit. And when I asked him in
the break, I also want to talk about the one
thing that people are not discussing that's not on their
radar that should be he said, it's the same thing.
So justin go, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
There was a law that was passed very recently led
Donald Trump with a big supporter of it. A lot
of Republicans in Congress were advocates for it called the
Genius Act, and the Genius Act one of the main
things that it was doing was trying to regulate something
called stable coins, put a government stamp of approval stable coins,
(10:01):
increase regulations on stable coins. Stable Coins are a kind
of cryptocurrency, so like bitcoin and stuff like that, except
their value is tied. It's pegged to something stable, so
in this case the dollar. So the way it works
is essentially a cryptocurrency that is equal to always a dollar.
(10:23):
So it's a way to use to have a digital
dollar without actually having the government create a digital dollar. Now,
the legislation that they put into place, the reason Republicans
like it is because there's a lot of advantages to
having a digital currency, but they don't want the government
(10:43):
in charge of it or the set in charge of
it for a lot of reasons that we can all
imagine as conservatives. We it's way too much power in
their hands. The problem is the people who are behind,
not all of them, but many of the people behind
the biggest stable coin companies out there right now, there's
already hundreds of billions of dollars worth of stable coins
(11:06):
out there. Are the great Reset people, They're the Davos people.
It's Blackrock and companies like that that are the big
owners of these things. And these are the people who
were just trying to silence conservatives, destroy the fossil fuel industry,
force esg down everyone's throats, and now they are the
(11:27):
key people behind what is essentially a government approved quasi
digital dollar that can be tracked and traced and controlled.
They can tell you what you can spend it on
and what you can't spend it on. And as institutions
adopt this more and more and more, which is far
(11:47):
more likely now that the government has put its stamp
of approval on it and said we're going to regulate
it and make sure that it's safe. This is going
to become, in my opinion, a massive, massive, massive problem
because this is there's going to be widespread adoption of
this all throughout the banking industry. It's already starting. It's
going to speed up over the next several years. It's
(12:09):
going to be common for people to use digital dollars
through these stable coins, and without any privacy protections or
liberty protections. They didn't put any of that in the bill.
They just passed it and gave all this power to
the black Rocks of the world without protecting individuals. And
there was no reason to do that. They could have
(12:30):
easily put those protections in the bill. So for me
down the road, say five years into the future, I
think this could be like a crisis level problem. If
we have a Democrat in the White House that wants
to work in a public private partnership with the black
rocks of the world, just like they did with ESG
to control what you can buy and what you can sell,
and who the good guys and bad guys are and
(12:52):
all of that stuff, just like they were doing with
social credit scores before.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Who's fighting it in the House and Senate? Anybody?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Some people who fought against it. Josh Holly in the Senate,
for example, is one of those people. But for the
most part, Republicans were in favor of it, and a
lot of the Democrats were in favor of it too.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
How much have you written about it?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I've written a decent amount. I actually published some articles
and some big publications and things like that. But for
the most part, the establishment I did Glenbeck Show and
some of some bigger shows talking about that as well.
But the reality is the Republicans and Donald Trump were
openly in favor of it. I mean, they were advocating
(13:36):
for it, and because of that, there was just no
way that it was going to die. It's just there
was way too much support behind it from the very beginning.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Is anyone starting to see the potential problems now that
it's out there and maybe rethinking or is that just
not there yet.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Well, I mean there were, like I said, Josh Hall
and people like that are atting some of the same
concerns that I had, But for the most part, no,
And it's because it seems like a free market solution
to a problem, you know, And that's that's the thing.
Because there's a lot of benefits to having a digital dollar.
You can do you basically transmit it around the world
(14:18):
twenty four to seven for almost nothing, So there's it's
it's a much better system than a banking system we
have now where it takes days to move money in
some cases. So there are real advantages to it, but
there are also huge problems, and those problems are just
being ignored. And I think while you have Donald Trump
in the White House, there really aren't any threats. But
(14:40):
that's not what I'm worried about. I'm worried about the
next president or the president after that. I'm worried about
the next you know, Joe Biden type of president, or
Barack Obama. And I think they're setting the stage for
a catastrophe down the road because they didn't put personal
liberty protections in that legislation, and there was no reason
why they couldn't have done it, so very very frustrating.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Justin, hang on for a second. I want to talk
to you real quick as we wrap up here. But
thanks for the time this morning. Of course, Justin Haskins
with me. I'm gonna visit with him in a second
here off air, just us talking, you know us, guy's talking.
We've got the news coming up. We've got the big
stories in the press box. Howard Eisman joins us with
some money talk. More to come on The Morning Show
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